To Paul.... I wish I was put in touch with you 4 years ago. It would have saved me a lot of time, your knowledge is amazing. 4 years ago I went to the Bilstein display at the Brisbane 4 x 4 show. There I asked about what customised shocks I could get for my custom build. ( 6bt cummins in a F350 Chassis with a 60 series cab ) Unfortunately I got blank looks and told that they could not help me. I ended up finding another Australian Manufacturer. Maybe you need to have a talk to these people and let them know what the Bilstein product range is.
Hi Christopher, i do attend some shows, it is a shame i wasn't at that particular show. Do you still have the Ford/Toyota/Cummins beast? Who was the Australian Manufacture, I'll send them some information.
A well set up variable sprung vehicle feels amazing. There is a bit homework required, and remember the weight you start with can't vary much, otherwise your on the heavy part of the spring and the variable part is out the window. I prefer a constant rate spring mainly due to the minimal height lost when loading up the vehicle. On a variable rate spring at ride height it should be on the comfort part of the spring. Once you start to add weight it comes onto the heavy part of the variable rate, but you've lost ride height due to the lighter spring rate in the comfy part of the spring rate. Once it's on the heavy part of the variable rate it's happy days, but you will have lost ride height over a constant rate spring. Like most things it's a compromise, variable rate for comfort and a slight loss of initial ride height, constant for a slightly firmer ride but not as much ride height loss when loading. In the end, it all comes down to personal choice and vehicle usage.
A diff drop would be my first option, after that start looking for CV's that offer more articulation. Back in the day for Off Road Racing applications we used to use Porsche 930 Turbo CV's as they could handle the power and had more articulation than many other CV's that were on offer. These days there places that offer vehicle specific CV replacements that can do the same thing. Once you've installed the diff drop and get the CV issue sorted then you can look at extending the open length of your shocks for more droop.
Finally some commonsense ie kiss system about suspension for time proven quality of shock that are designed to be rebuilt ie bilstein and koni still top of the tree hope people share this episode as a spring works been saying this day in day out I have been adjusting remote res shocks recently due to other professionals not adjusting shocks correctly these bump steering everywhere and un driveable at hwy speeds I wonder whom will get sued first causing accident this this the best thing I’ve seen on suspension ever well done Sam 🎉🎉🎉
Good discussion point would be valving on gvm upgrade kits stuck with a particular brand with usually very stiff rear end. Vs spending. 2/3 times for a top of the line brand for comfort
I have 400kg constant coil springs in the back of my 3.5T 105 series, it's comfortable as anything when empty and then when I throw 150 litres of fuel in the long range tank and 300kg on camping gear food and water. Doesn't sag at all, not sure why leafs are better at carrying weight in a 4wd. Sure in a heavy haulage truck but not in a 4wd
There are several ways, but they all come at a cost, unfortunately there will be some compromises. Softer leaf spring stack to get more flex due to the leaf stack not being so ridged , but it will come with less load carrying capabilities. Different shackles will lead to instability, and the list goes on. For every action there is an opposite reaction.
Nice work Sam, Here's a serious question. The steel the spring is made from would be fairly important I imagine, so what steels are best? and is there a way the average bloke can tell or do we just have to trust the mug selling them?
Hey Davo, you're right. The material that the springs are made from is very important. Over the year I've worked with many spring companies and some of the steel that I've seen used is junk. Grabbing a file and running it across the spring is one way to tell. If the file cuts into the spring pretty easily then i'm going to say the steel used isn't the best, but I'm guessing finding someone to let you do that to their product will be difficult to come by. So trusting the mug that's selling them to you will probably be the easiest way. Most of the well known industry guys are pretty straight forward people, so asking around and doing your homework will help you find a good product that uses quality steel.
@@riff2adventures429 Cheers Paul. What do ya recon I take a second cut with me when I go shopping? lol Seriously though your unbiased advice is very much appreciated. Bilstein are lucky to have ya.
Interesting that good quality shocks such as Bilstein, Fox, Koni, Kings ( just to name a few) are all re-buildable, while the vast majority go to the bin.
For Riff2, I have a 2018 ranger and tow a camper trailer when we go away. Do you have any recommended packages that would suit? I think it would tow better with a bit of lift as its just it's still standard and when hooked up the trailer sits a little tilted forwards being a little higher than the ute. Looking to set this up in the near future. Thank you
A little tilt forward on the towed vehicle isn't a bad thing. Going to high in the front of the towed vehicle can cause sway at highway speeds and give that uncomfortable feeling on longer trips. Saying that I'm assuming you're looking for and improvement on the Ranger anyway, so I'd suggest a good quality raised front springs and quality front shocks. Approx 30mm lift will be enough to level the Ranger without loosing to much rake (front to rear ride height). Leave the rear springs as standard and add Airbags plus quality rear shocks. The airbags will stop the rear of the Ranger from sagging when loaded and therefore stop the trailer from being so far nose down, and by leaving the rear springs standard you wont have a firmer ride in the rear when your're not towing. This set up wont break the budget, plus it'll look and feel fantastic both towing and not towing.
Hey Paul. I’m currently running the 5100 2-5” lift in a np300. Kitted with cal off-road springs and they sagged about 30mm in a month. Also they’re hd springs on a car with no bullbar no winch. What would be a better coil to replace it. Cheers
Most springs settle in, or sag slightly. 30mm does seem a little excessive though. Best get in contact with me at Heasmans and we'll chat more to see why it sagged so much?
are tuned shocks something the average joe can contact you about? like if I have a work Ute or a heavy tourer can you custom make and valve a shock based on articulation (open and closed measurements) and corner weights etc? and I want to see more discussion content like this especially when it comes to trip planning and logistics! everyone goes on the trips but no one shows the hours in the shed with the boys creating the trip!
Yes, the average punter can contact me about custom shocks, although I'm usually on the tools and can be difficult to reach. Just call Heasmans and leave your number with whoever answers, they'll send me a message via email and I'll return your call when I'm free. I plan trips each year and have filmed some. It is hours of boring content, so I've never posted it. Plus the planning is for the trip I'm doing, seeing and doing the things I want, not seeing and doing the things you'd like to do. Basically what I do is have a start point, and a destination, then plan what i want to see and do in between. How far you can get in a day is always a bit of an unknown, unless it's by highways or sealed roads. Planning a trip takes a lot of time and homework. It is very rewarding, but boring to watch for anyone other than the person doing the planning.
Torsion bars are a great package that take up a very small space, but they are hard to reproduce so most companies don't deal in them. They are basically a coil or leaf spring rolled into a long bar with a hex or spline at each end that fits into a receiver in the chassis and either the upper or lower arm and acts the same as the coil or leaf spring. I've found that they don't like to much load, and the OE ones tend to sag, but the ride and handling does feel good on a well set up torsion bar equipped vehicle.
@@riff2adventures429 Hi there, hey thanks for the quick reply. I have a 1993 D21 Pathfinder with 2" lift on 31" Falken Wildpeak AT's It uses Torsion bars as part of it's Suspension system. As did a lot of early Nissans. I am going to upgrade my torsion bars with some heavier ones in the near future. The ones that are on it are OEM. Thanks for the great content.
Leaf springs will ALWAYS trump coils when carrying heavy loads in your 4x4 Maybe not as refined… Coils all round on an 80 have a deadly tendency that brings them un-done The 1 metre corrugated roads you get in northern WA and a speed around 100ks tips 80 series cruisers over reliability The only way to save it is to punch the gas real hard when they get the wobble up Scary stuff It was an inherent design problem that the mining industry reported back to Toyota in the 90’s The 100 then came out with radius rod front ends Toyota did heaps of testing/ feedback with the mining industry way back then when I worked up north in the mines…
Can you increase your GVM with a spring and shock up grade only ?.. i'm not chasing massive amounts of extra weight.. i did a weight check during a recent camping trip, fully loaded at 3050kg.. almost 100Kg over my limit.. 80 series LC.
Depends on what state you live in as each state has different rules on GVM. If it's a federal approved GVM you're after, then the minefield is even bigger. Basically as long as you're not looking at going to high in the GVM i think it can be done, but you'll need a ton of time and money for brake test data, an engineer, and lots of patience to go through all the paperwork.
@@riff2adventures429 They don't like to things easy huh.. is there an "out of the box" upgrade kit that comes with all the legal paper work ?.. i have seen some GVM upgrade kits around, just not for an 80.
My biggest problem is to make my 4x4 handle the way I want it, what to get? Sure I could just throw 20k at it and it'll be great, but what "bang for buck" part of the suspension will give the most improvement?
Great question, and let me just say before I start, let's assume you're going for good quality products (the poor man always pays twice). A set of aftermarket raised springs will give you instant visual improvement, but the center of gravity will now be a little higher and this will cause some sway. The standard shocks (if they're newish) should be able to handle that, but if it's not a new vehicle then the old dampers might not be up to the task. A set of aftermarket shocks will improve the ride and handling. No one outside the vehicle will notice, but who cares as you're the one in the drivers seat and you're the one getting all the benefit. Arms and bushes aren't really in the picture for this "bang for buck question, but they are part of the suspension so i'll mention them. So for the best "bang for buck" I'd say a 2" lift with good quality matched springs and shocks. Now if you had of asked 'bang for buck' all round 4wd improvement, I'd say bigger tires. Get the biggest tires that fit without mods and enjoy the ride quality as well as the increased ride height. Outside street cred with improved ride and clearance, best of both worlds.
@Riff2Adventures thank you for the great reply, I really appreciate it. I've just bought a Ford F250 with a standard 4" lift (it's legal because it was imported from usa like that) but the ride is harsh coming from my old Y62 Patrol. It's got Fox2.0 shocks....I guess I was expecting something smoother.
@@baumie461 bugger I know where a really good shock guy is. Your fox are obviously able to be revalved. The local comp truck community down there will point in the right direction
@@kadenmackriell4751 I do have other 4wd with different motors in them .. but everyone keep saying they hate 1HZ so I’ll keep saying it .. 👍🇦🇺 best motor in the world 1HZ
@@merinofarmeragriculturewor4623 I don’t hate the 1hz, it’s “gods motor”, I’ve never owned one, not to say I wouldn’t, but I’d never go out of my way to look for one to buy. They are gutless even with a turbo.
Leaf springs are horse’n cart era technology absolutely Crap 💩. My first vehicle was a Hzj75 troopy & it was horrible like having no suspension at all. But now the Mighty GU Td42ti coily ute is so comfortable 👍👍.. But all these crap twin cabs get’n around everywhere have got leaf springs & Pathetic rear dum brakes & that’s on $60-$70K plus vehicle 😳. Man my 96mod troopy had 4 wheel disc brakes..
So what your saying I need a res soo my shaft extends further which will also go in deeper. We’ll sign me up!🎉
Excellent content big fulla👍
I learnt more about suspention in 20 minutes than I have picked up in 50 years of off road.
Awesome content its interesting , informative, and good to know 👍 😀
Greetings and cheers 🍻 mate from south africa 🇿🇦
To Paul.... I wish I was put in touch with you 4 years ago. It would have saved me a lot of time, your knowledge is amazing.
4 years ago I went to the Bilstein display at the Brisbane 4 x 4 show. There I asked about what customised shocks I could get for my custom build.
( 6bt cummins in a F350 Chassis with a 60 series cab ) Unfortunately I got blank looks and told that they could not help me. I ended up finding another Australian Manufacturer. Maybe you need to have a talk to these people and let them know what the Bilstein product range is.
You needed me. Im retired now, but built custom shocks for 30yrs odd
Hi Christopher, i do attend some shows, it is a shame i wasn't at that particular show. Do you still have the Ford/Toyota/Cummins beast? Who was the Australian Manufacture, I'll send them some information.
What would you do if you found the old naughty 40
Been wondering this too.. really wanna know!
She'd probably turn into a back up rig or he might just get spicy and turn it into a giveaway car 😏
Realistically it’s most likely not in Australia anymore
Not sure! The NGTY40 was always the car I was never going to sell. Probably tidy it up and maybe compete with it? 😊
@@reidprbl8561 thats dumb
Sam I just wanted to let you know I’m a big fan of the show and have been for a long time
Great episode fellas. What are your thoughts on variable rate vs constant rate springs for comfort and carrying weight?
A well set up variable sprung vehicle feels amazing. There is a bit homework required, and remember the weight you start with can't vary much, otherwise your on the heavy part of the spring and the variable part is out the window. I prefer a constant rate spring mainly due to the minimal height lost when loading up the vehicle. On a variable rate spring at ride height it should be on the comfort part of the spring. Once you start to add weight it comes onto the heavy part of the variable rate, but you've lost ride height due to the lighter spring rate in the comfy part of the spring rate. Once it's on the heavy part of the variable rate it's happy days, but you will have lost ride height over a constant rate spring. Like most things it's a compromise, variable rate for comfort and a slight loss of initial ride height, constant for a slightly firmer ride but not as much ride height loss when loading. In the end, it all comes down to personal choice and vehicle usage.
What are your opinions on the best way to get the most out of an IFS setup? Mainly maximising droop lost from a lift kit.
A diff drop would be my first option, after that start looking for CV's that offer more articulation. Back in the day for Off Road Racing applications we used to use Porsche 930 Turbo CV's as they could handle the power and had more articulation than many other CV's that were on offer. These days there places that offer vehicle specific CV replacements that can do the same thing. Once you've installed the diff drop and get the CV issue sorted then you can look at extending the open length of your shocks for more droop.
Finally some commonsense ie kiss system about suspension for time proven quality of shock that are designed to be rebuilt ie bilstein and koni still top of the tree hope people share this episode as a spring works been saying this day in day out I have been adjusting remote res shocks recently due to other professionals not adjusting shocks correctly these bump steering everywhere and un driveable at hwy speeds I wonder whom will get sued first causing accident this this the best thing I’ve seen on suspension ever well done Sam 🎉🎉🎉
Thank god you upload on a Thursday, saves me from having to watch the sellout24/7 show
Hahahaha legendary 🎉🎉
Good discussion point would be valving on gvm upgrade kits stuck with a particular brand with usually very stiff rear end. Vs spending. 2/3 times for a top of the line brand for comfort
Ask him to draw up some geometry on how to get a leaf spring to flex as best as it can? Same with coils?
Easy. Bushes play the big part
I have 400kg constant coil springs in the back of my 3.5T 105 series, it's comfortable as anything when empty and then when I throw 150 litres of fuel in the long range tank and 300kg on camping gear food and water. Doesn't sag at all, not sure why leafs are better at carrying weight in a 4wd. Sure in a heavy haulage truck but not in a 4wd
got 400kg rears in my gu, they work so well
leafs spread the weight over the chassis a lot better
A question for Paul how do you get a leaf spring to flex better? Whats the science and tech behind it thank you so much keep up the good work
There are several ways, but they all come at a cost, unfortunately there will be some compromises. Softer leaf spring stack to get more flex due to the leaf stack not being so ridged , but it will come with less load carrying capabilities. Different shackles will lead to instability, and the list goes on. For every action there is an opposite reaction.
Yeah that was another bloody good video mate! Paul is a wizard!
Nice work Sam, Here's a serious question. The steel the spring is made from would be fairly important I imagine, so what steels are best? and is there a way the average bloke can tell or do we just have to trust the mug selling them?
Hey Davo, you're right. The material that the springs are made from is very important. Over the year I've worked with many spring companies and some of the steel that I've seen used is junk. Grabbing a file and running it across the spring is one way to tell. If the file cuts into the spring pretty easily then i'm going to say the steel used isn't the best, but I'm guessing finding someone to let you do that to their product will be difficult to come by. So trusting the mug that's selling them to you will probably be the easiest way. Most of the well known industry guys are pretty straight forward people, so asking around and doing your homework will help you find a good product that uses quality steel.
@@riff2adventures429 Cheers Paul. What do ya recon I take a second cut with me when I go shopping? lol Seriously though your unbiased advice is very much appreciated. Bilstein are lucky to have ya.
Interesting that good quality shocks such as Bilstein, Fox, Koni, Kings ( just to name a few) are all re-buildable, while the vast majority go to the bin.
I just got Fox shocks and springs fitted to the Mrs 2022 MUX, rides beautifully!
You get what you pay for! 🎉
For Riff2, I have a 2018 ranger and tow a camper trailer when we go away.
Do you have any recommended packages that would suit?
I think it would tow better with a bit of lift as its just it's still standard and when hooked up the trailer sits a little tilted forwards being a little higher than the ute.
Looking to set this up in the near future.
Thank you
A little tilt forward on the towed vehicle isn't a bad thing. Going to high in the front of the towed vehicle can cause sway at highway speeds and give that uncomfortable feeling on longer trips. Saying that I'm assuming you're looking for and improvement on the Ranger anyway, so I'd suggest a good quality raised front springs and quality front shocks. Approx 30mm lift will be enough to level the Ranger without loosing to much rake (front to rear ride height). Leave the rear springs as standard and add Airbags plus quality rear shocks. The airbags will stop the rear of the Ranger from sagging when loaded and therefore stop the trailer from being so far nose down, and by leaving the rear springs standard you wont have a firmer ride in the rear when your're not towing. This set up wont break the budget, plus it'll look and feel fantastic both towing and not towing.
@Riff2Adventures thank you mate, makes perfect sense and much appreciated 👌👍
Hey Paul. I’m currently running the 5100 2-5” lift in a np300. Kitted with cal off-road springs and they sagged about 30mm in a month. Also they’re hd springs on a car with no bullbar no winch. What would be a better coil to replace it. Cheers
Most springs settle in, or sag slightly. 30mm does seem a little excessive though. Best get in contact with me at Heasmans and we'll chat more to see why it sagged so much?
All that shaft talk and Sam keeps a straight face …. I amazed … so many missed Sam moments 😂🤣
Hahaha im mature I swear!!
@@SamYoung4x4 Or maybe it was just because you were in the company of a mature person, ha ha.
How did you not make shaft jokes? That would've been hard to keep a straight face. 😂
The old marshmallow effect haha gold bro 🤙
are tuned shocks something the average joe can contact you about? like if I have a work Ute or a heavy tourer can you custom make and valve a shock based on articulation (open and closed measurements) and corner weights etc? and I want to see more discussion content like this especially when it comes to trip planning and logistics! everyone goes on the trips but no one shows the hours in the shed with the boys creating the trip!
Yes, the average punter can contact me about custom shocks, although I'm usually on the tools and can be difficult to reach. Just call Heasmans and leave your number with whoever answers, they'll send me a message via email and I'll return your call when I'm free.
I plan trips each year and have filmed some. It is hours of boring content, so I've never posted it. Plus the planning is for the trip I'm doing, seeing and doing the things I want, not seeing and doing the things you'd like to do. Basically what I do is have a start point, and a destination, then plan what i want to see and do in between. How far you can get in a day is always a bit of an unknown, unless it's by highways or sealed roads. Planning a trip takes a lot of time and homework. It is very rewarding, but boring to watch for anyone other than the person doing the planning.
What about torsion bars?
Torsion bars are a great package that take up a very small space, but they are hard to reproduce so most companies don't deal in them. They are basically a coil or leaf spring rolled into a long bar with a hex or spline at each end that fits into a receiver in the chassis and either the upper or lower arm and acts the same as the coil or leaf spring. I've found that they don't like to much load, and the OE ones tend to sag, but the ride and handling does feel good on a well set up torsion bar equipped vehicle.
@@riff2adventures429 Hi there, hey thanks for the quick reply. I have a 1993 D21 Pathfinder with 2" lift on 31" Falken Wildpeak AT's It uses Torsion bars as part of it's Suspension system. As did a lot of early Nissans. I am going to upgrade my torsion bars with some heavier ones in the near future. The ones that are on it are OEM. Thanks for the great content.
Leaf springs will ALWAYS trump coils when carrying heavy loads in your 4x4
Maybe not as refined…
Coils all round on an 80 have a deadly tendency that brings them un-done
The 1 metre corrugated roads you get in northern WA and a speed around 100ks tips 80 series cruisers over reliability
The only way to save it is to punch the gas real hard when they get the wobble up
Scary stuff
It was an inherent design problem that the mining industry reported back to Toyota in the 90’s
The 100 then came out with radius rod front ends
Toyota did heaps of testing/ feedback with the mining industry way back then when I worked up north in the mines…
Make sure you don't flash that tattoo at the next 4x4 show. nekminnit another internet controversy. Good episode Sammy. Bilstein make a good product.
Can you increase your GVM with a spring and shock up grade only ?.. i'm not chasing massive amounts of extra weight.. i did a weight check during a recent camping trip, fully loaded at 3050kg.. almost 100Kg over my limit.. 80 series LC.
Depends on what state you live in as each state has different rules on GVM. If it's a federal approved GVM you're after, then the minefield is even bigger. Basically as long as you're not looking at going to high in the GVM i think it can be done, but you'll need a ton of time and money for brake test data, an engineer, and lots of patience to go through all the paperwork.
@@riff2adventures429 They don't like to things easy huh.. is there an "out of the box" upgrade kit that comes with all the legal paper work ?.. i have seen some GVM upgrade kits around, just not for an 80.
100%… can’t believe people are still paying 75k - 100k for a leaf sprung 4x4 😂
Nissan had the right idea and moved away from it years ago…
My biggest problem is to make my 4x4 handle the way I want it, what to get? Sure I could just throw 20k at it and it'll be great, but what "bang for buck" part of the suspension will give the most improvement?
Great question, and let me just say before I start, let's assume you're going for good quality products (the poor man always pays twice).
A set of aftermarket raised springs will give you instant visual improvement, but the center of gravity will now be a little higher and this will cause some sway. The standard shocks (if they're newish) should be able to handle that, but if it's not a new vehicle then the old dampers might not be up to the task.
A set of aftermarket shocks will improve the ride and handling. No one outside the vehicle will notice, but who cares as you're the one in the drivers seat and you're the one getting all the benefit. Arms and bushes aren't really in the picture for this "bang for buck question, but they are part of the suspension so i'll mention them.
So for the best "bang for buck" I'd say a 2" lift with good quality matched springs and shocks.
Now if you had of asked 'bang for buck' all round 4wd improvement, I'd say bigger tires. Get the biggest tires that fit without mods and enjoy the ride quality as well as the increased ride height. Outside street cred with improved ride and clearance, best of both worlds.
@Riff2Adventures thank you for the great reply, I really appreciate it. I've just bought a Ford F250 with a standard 4" lift (it's legal because it was imported from usa like that) but the ride is harsh coming from my old Y62 Patrol. It's got Fox2.0 shocks....I guess I was expecting something smoother.
@@baumie461 you in Brisbane?
@@intimatespearfisher na mate, from Canberra 👍
@@baumie461 bugger I know where a really good shock guy is. Your fox are obviously able to be revalved. The local comp truck community down there will point in the right direction
Should be a good watch
Keep the good content coming boss.
Mate I’m looking forward to this one
Why efs
been waiting foir this episode like an alco out the front of the bottle'o
Oh wait - coil deletes?
First comment awesome as .. 1HZ is the best motor in the world
I think we understand that your favourite motor in a 1hz bc you own one. You don’t have to keep saying it.
@@kadenmackriell4751 I do have other 4wd with different motors in them .. but everyone keep saying they hate 1HZ so I’ll keep saying it .. 👍🇦🇺 best motor in the world 1HZ
@@merinofarmeragriculturewor4623 I don’t hate the 1hz, it’s “gods motor”, I’ve never owned one, not to say I wouldn’t, but I’d never go out of my way to look for one to buy. They are gutless even with a turbo.
Sooo off road competition vehicles don't warrant tunable shocks
Listen again
Is it me or does Paul kinda look like Karl Stefanovic from the side
Not the first time I've heard that. Just for the record, I'm not related, but wish I had his paycheck.
@@riff2adventures429 haha legend mate. Don't we all! 😆
Before I watch, I've got leaf springs and torsion bars...Guess the vehicle...
basically any ute from like 1990 to 2010, but just to guess ill say a mazda bravo or ford courier?
@@tylerr676 Yep, an '05 Courier Hi Rider. Basically a 4WD without 4WD. The 4.0l SOHC V6.
@@BradGryphonn haha awesome I guessed it 👏, I have an 01 b2500 mine has 4wd with the 2.5l 12 valve
@@tylerr676 He he. I was going to throw you by saying it was my 1967 VE valiant, but I don't own that anymore :)
@@BradGryphonn haha
Leaf springs take an uneven trailer weight better than a coil spring
Leaf springs are horse’n cart era technology absolutely Crap 💩. My first vehicle was a Hzj75 troopy & it was horrible like having no suspension at all. But now the Mighty GU Td42ti coily ute is so comfortable 👍👍..
But all these crap twin cabs get’n around everywhere have got leaf springs & Pathetic rear dum brakes & that’s on $60-$70K plus vehicle 😳. Man my 96mod troopy had 4 wheel disc brakes..
imported shocks aka superior 😅
I'll go rhythm
You’s better head off to the tattoo studio
Don't tempt me 😮
@@SamYoung4x4 You spell it, P a u l
:P UP THE MIGHTY LEAF SPRINGS!
Love the mullet, and sex appeal of course
first
Let’s goo first comment
Why is it so hard for you to just answer the question oldest extra talking ain't nobody want to hear that s***