I know im asking randomly but does any of you know a way to log back into an instagram account? I stupidly lost the account password. I love any help you can give me!
@Sonny Henry I really appreciate your reply. I found the site on google and Im waiting for the hacking stuff now. Seems to take a while so I will get back to you later when my account password hopefully is recovered.
First time I heard someone talk about spacers and that you go into cool bind before hitting bump stops. Makes so much sense and just made me rethink as I was about to do it. Thanks so much for sharing this knowledge!
There is a vested intetested here to not want you to go spacers when they can up sell you springs instead. I've run spacers and never had issues, plenty of guys haven't either, so some research where you aren't going to be sold something first
Good video ronny 👍 Remote res also does more than just cooling, the resevoir also gives somewhere for the oil in the shock to go when the shock fully compresses. Standard shocks generally are not full of oil, because if they were, the shock would hydrolock when fully compressed. Theres a nitrogen and oil mix in standard monotubes. 👍
Hey ronny! glad to hear the boys answers to my question. After looking into it more the solution i ended up going with was resetting the primary leaf pack. As the car wasn't over sprung but just due to age the leaf packs were riding on the secondary load bearing leafs.
Great video, good content from blokes who know what they're talking about. I will be definitely be paying these guys a visit soon for a 2" lift on my Hilux.
Super interesting video, thanks Ronny! Would love more in-depth episode on shocks, reservoirs, valving and perhaps taking into account legality in different states and what is required when travelling interstate.
statements.qld.gov.au/Statement/2018/9/12/operation-lift-and-queenslands-suspension-and-lift-laws "To be clear: a modified vehicle registered in another state or jurisdiction can legally drive in Queensland, provided that vehicle continues to comply with the modifications that were approved in that state or jurisdiction."
Thanks for a very informative vid Ronny. One thing I was hoping you'd discuss is airbag helpers for coils and leaf springs. I also think it should've been made clear that spring spacers are illegal as are wheel spacers. Love ya work mate. And thanks again Mick
If any vehicle justifies a lift it was our V6 Grand Vitara that took us to every inch of the Pilbara - up creek beds, deep crossings etc over the 5 yrs we lived there l. The bottom of it looked like it had been through a war. Just get the hell out there and drive. What about legalities? Where does a car sit legally in the eyes of the law? Awesome video - good on yas
to answer the weight debate when adding something on to existing tray vs purpose built off the chassis your standard setup out of the showroom gives roughly 250kg out of the 500kg weight limit.. you will be needing to consider a gvm upgrade to cater for the excess weight because you have to consider the weight of the existing tray + the camper or storage bins and fuel capacity on top of that.. downgrade of suspension means you carry less just because you have around 1 tonne capacity doesn't mean you can tow 2= tonnes off the back.. whether it be a kitted out trailer or something in the region of 23 foot caravan combined what is installed in the back of the ute or full saloon 4x4 body you may need to consider a 6x4-6x6 conversion to offset the excess weight you are going to carry. Note this may also lead to a chassis rail upgrade to support excees weight as what ever the base chassis may buckle under the weight of the add-ons you do
A remote reservoir adds almost no cooling unless the hose is extremely short. The oil is moving back and forth within the hose, not circulating to the reservoir. If the reservoir has valving in it that does help by removing some of the heat load from the shock.
BDS, Fabtech, Procomp are some lift kits here in the states which supply everything you need to go from 3"-6". Also if you go to a 35" tire could be a 1-2" lift depending on what you started with 31" or 33" tire. So you could be doing a 2" lift but with tires could be higher.
Awesome video. Been searching for options to get more articulation in my 79 series, coil front leaf rear. Seems like a good setup with parabolic leafs will be the go for me!
Question? I have a 2017 double cab 4x4 Toyota Tacoma I originally put 3" spacers on front & 1 inch spacer with 33" tires 285/75/16. After I had a front steel "small" WARN bumper installed for my WARN Winch I lost over an inch of height. Then my brand new tires started to rub, all this was done in two weeks time frame. So then I return the original tires for 32" tires 265/75/16 got rid of the front 3" & rear 1" spacers. Changed the complete front & rear suspension to a front Bilstein 6112 Coilover (2" max) & rear 5160 shocks (w) remote reservoir, plus added a single leaf spring pack to rear. These Bilstein shocks have a life time warranty but if I was to use a spacer in conjunction with the front 6112 series Coilovers then it voids the life time warranty. I still don't have the 3" height like I wanted. After watching a few TH-cam videos KING Coilover Shocks has a "specialty order" made 700lbs front springs to combat the extra weight for front suspension, & to give you 3" of height in front of vehicle. It seems no other shock manufacture company has this option. I guess everyone just uses 600lbs springs. Not sure how folks are getting 33", 35', 37' tires with a full or partial steel front bumper and winch system on the Tacoma's, & Hilux's. Can you please give me your guidance.
Biggest benefit of the remote res shock is NOT for the cooling. It does do a little bit of that, but the main purpose is to have 100% oil inside the shock body as well as to separate the oil from the nitrogen gas.
Works Performance advised going with spring rather than making up for lack of spring with damping. They had a triple rate spring. A lot of shock mounts can't handle more than stock loads.
The parabolics look like a good idea to put on the front of an 80s hilux while keeping the standard ones on the back for load carrying. Having the leaf packs sit on top of the axels also means there is less chance of them getting caught up.
The shock video should be a good one. There is a massive difference between even all the remote res shocks. Some have internal by pass some have bump stops. Some are simply a monotube shock with a res.
Shout out cheers guys. The shudder has almost gone now. Sits around 51mm now in the rear after settling. And these are bilstien shocks with progressive king springs.
Thanks for this video, it's clarified several of my questions very well. (I miss the TH-cam private messaging, b/c this may be more appropriate there, but here we go...) And I still have a couple questions regarding the puck, strut-top spacers, commonly called levelers. ;) I know I know I know. ;) I understand the physics and I get the concerns. I see how relocating the strut down ineffectualizes the bump stop and you did a great job explaining that at full stuff/compression, the coils can bind stopping suspension travel and the shock tower can deflect that energy and fail. I understand these main concerns are traveling at some speed with high impact (could be corrugated roads or even a city street with a harsh dip). The video clarified my understanding as I'd thought the shock itself would compress fully and fail, but you've suggested the shock has more travel than a fully compressed spring. My application is a 2007 GX 470 with KDSS (USA), LC120. I understand FULLY that a real lift is the way to go BUT I'm not in that place yet for this car and I just want a little more clearance under the front end (factory is 8.3" and with my oversize tires I was at about 8.75") It's still a family hauler (NOT a mall crawler as it does leave tarmac), road trip car, car-camping and weekend get-a-way light-medium off road duty rig. I live in Moab, Utah, USA so weekend camping trips include canyonlands national park (elephant hill, the maze, Colorado mountains around Ouray, etc. etc.). So, with all that background, I'm fully pleased with this rig's stock capability and suspension travel. I like the variable valve dampening in the sport-comfort ride control that comes standard with this car. I understand replacing for a coil-over or classic longer shock-spring setup will mean pulling the rear airbags for coils and that I'll lose the ride control. As such, I'm testing a very low cost spacer. Again, I've read and heard the warnings and please read me out. I have a 0.75" strut-top (not compressing the spring, but on top of the assembled strut) spacer, which in this rig affords 1.5" lift at the skid and fender clearance over the tire. I hypothesize that if I can relocate the bump stop down 1/2" to 5/8" inch it will be functional again and I will still otherwise have full compression and droop. The community supports that this puck is close to the threshold for the stock ball joint movement so that I can still achieve full droop without binding or damage, and the bump stop correction will rectify the full stuff/compression concern that comes with these spacers. I've had it aligned back to spec and it rides perfectly. I have not yet had it off road but i have a trip planned in a few weeks where it'll see articulation and use. I plan to have some iteration of bump stop mod in place bu then, whether it's just a drop spacer and stock bump stop or something like the wheelersoffroad bump stop. wheelersoffroad.com/i-25490332-wheelers-front-superbump-bumpstop-set-for-2005-tacoma-2003-4runner-2007-fj-cruiser-2007-tundra-01superbumpkit.html Thank you for your time and consideration of this exhaustive question and I look forward to your reply as well as more videos. Ciao- MW- **EDIT** I fabbed 1/4" steel spacers for the bump stops. it's perfect. the sacers afforded the front clearance I wanted. I have adjustable lift stock in this rig's rear airbags, so on trail the rear can be lifted an additional 1.6" EVEN when fully loaded with 1300# of kit for a week-long trip. PSSST, RONNY, give me a message when you come to Moab this year (2020)! I saw your Moab videos, great stuff and awesomely shared with the new experiences that is my home and playground.
Great talk Ronn. Thx However I have to disagree with the 'not having to put caster correction bushes in a Jimny with a 2in lift'. After lifting my Jimny by 2 inches the steering would not self correct. After the caster correction was installed, it was a lot better. (although not perfect).
Coils can carry weight fine (Defender, Patrol, G wagen), the real benefit over leafs is clearance, articulation and comfort. The cost of the coil conversion for a 70 series though makes the established coil sprung vehicles look like bargains.
I have a properly done 50 mm on my 80 (tjm progressive springs, ICON VS2.0 shocks, control arms drops, longer shocks, sway bar extensions, etc) and I also have a sway bar disconnect kit for the front. I find that the whole swaybar thing is very dependant on your system, and type of wheeling. When I'm doing undulating terrain or very technical it helps a lot to smooth things out, but I also also tore my brake lines out in front. be careful about that. Other people say to leave the front in and take the back out since the back flexes more anyway and it gives you more traction on loose climbs. in either case I've run high speed without the bars and its not terrible, but its not safe...find a disconnect kit, don't remove them.
Well I just installed a 2.5” dobinsons IFS in an 07 FJ with the dobinsons UCA and a dif drop kit. I thought it would be better to stick with the manufacture then to go with a different UCA with adjustability in the ball joint position. I’m hoping this doesn’t cause issues like your mates are saying. 🤞🏻🤞🏻
We had our Prado 120 from new 2008 until sold mid 2018. Has had 4 types of shocks, Bilstein were poor back then, the Dobinsons MRR's with remote reservoirs failed in the NT outback trip, and replaced them in Alice with Ironman FoamCell shocks. The reason we think the Dobs fail on the Prado is that the remote tube is at the bottom of the shock - should have been at the top with less movement. The Ironman shocks were way better than any of the previous shocks we had. Moved to a 79 series now with Ironman Foamcells and they are excellent. Foamcells can be revalved, they are ok in standard but excellent when the valving is altered to suit the actual vehicle weights and type trips etc.
There were major issues with the Bilsteins in 2008 Prado 120 and later 150. The general supplied Bilstein shocks for the Prado 120 back then were numbers: BE5-712/713. The two main issues were the valving, and the length of the shocks on the lifted Prado. Ours were supplied with the lift and the 712/713's and they did not work well and the valving was terrible for outback trips. Plenty of information on the pradopoint about the shocks. www.pradopoint.com.au/forum/-120-series-discussion-only/suspension-120-series/29062-bilstein-struts-and-shocks-lengths-and-valving Now, there is more information about the correct Bilstein shocks and spring rates for the Prado. Unfortunately, that info and different Bilsteins were not easy to find in 2008.
If I’m driving on long corrugated gravel/sand roads, I found it beneficial to down pressure tyres to 25-30 psi, this takes a lot out of the bumps and also reduces you adding to more corrugations
If a top hat spacer is fitted above the strut, to achieve the aforesaid "lift", then the static equilibrium point would still shift down. But would the strut's extended length also cause the down travel to increase beyond the previous droop limit. Would this mean that the wheel travel in this case is not conserved and has increased? (by an amount equal to spacer thickness) ? Thanks for the video and effort in explaining it practically.
How do you see a 2,5” lift with new uca? What about 3” + new uca? Both cases without diff drop. Did you got problems with the 2,5” in your Hilux? Did you drop down the diff? Thanks!! Great video! As the most from you
Great vid, guys and RD, brilliant series idea cheers. When empty in my N70 used to just throw a couple of sandbags in the back for a comfier ride in town cheap hack done, but honestly never bothered me that much, but lest ya leafs are they’re when you need em . I’d also wonder what tires these guys are running and what sort of ratio of height to tire width they are using, another issue for street stance when taken off road or even back roads sealed,, imo far too many city farmers big rims, low height, t’s a truck not a stance look at me wagon that most are used for in the city, why so many using spaced kits to lift they’re trucks as well, but that’s today for you, I know farmers as well that go through shocks on they’re Outbacks, MUVs, Rangers like hot knives through butter and complain the cars are shit house, you guys covered it the stock shocks being over driven way to fast on long corrugated gravel roads over heating esspecially under loads, used to see it constantly on one road I lived on guys doing over 100km in 70 series utes with all sorts on the back daily. Also putting others at risk, more than a few times recused people in a creek or a ditch, Ya can’t fix stupid or cheap.
A thought, and a question, regarding removing a sway bar ... (assuming all brakelines etc. are properly extended/lengthened) what if you have IFS and you installed adjustable air ride suspension within the coils? ... if you pumped up the psi would that not compensate for having removed the swaybar? ... also by nearly deflating the airbags won't you regain most of the "removing your swaybar" benefits? Many thanks in advance for your responses.
Hey guys nice vid very helpful. Couple of Quick questions for your suspension experts, I know you don’t recommend the strut spacer kits, but if I use washers/extended bump stops, to lower the bump stops so the lower control arm still has the same travel to hit the bump stops as it did before the strut spacer, I shouldn’t run into broken struts right? I don’t do serious off-roading more of a show pony really with an XL ranger that dreams of being a raptor, also I can’t find standard height coil spring replacements with an increased constant load for a steel bull bar... only raised ones any recommendations for adding a bull bar to factory height 2016 px2 ranger with out a lift? Cheers guys I know it’s a year old but I thought I’d try.
Very interesting video and information, I didn't know that a 2" lift actually gave you more wheel travel than a 3" lift not done right. On that note, if you do the lift right will a 3" have more wheel travel than a 2"? I'm also a bit confused regarding 4" lifts. It's getting to the limits because as mentioned the arm is now touching the coil but I'm not sure if it's the max but still provides more wheel travel than a 3.5" or 3" lift or because the 4" lift is getting to the limit a 3.5" or 3" lift actually gives better wheen travel? Additionally, this is for IFS vehicles, but for live axle vehicles can you lift up to whatever amount you want without affecting vehicle performance and wheel travel?
Hey Ronny I’m just wondering did you go a GVM upgrade on your rig? And are you still happy running the Dobinsons lift? Iv here many good thanks about them. Cheers mate. 🍻👍🏽
@@Reaper_787 most definitely lol. But pulled my big 7 inch kit out with do in sons springs and iron man pro shocks down to a 2 inch kit. Looking to go back to just a general family 4x4 with only a little bit off road do the cheaper option
@Billy 3 weeks ago ARB quoted me $1600 for leaf and shocks on my Suzuki Sierra. EFS got the nod at $700! The $900 I saved bought the winch. ARB stands for Always Really Broke if you are buying their gear.
Have you made an episode specific on portal axles. For solid axle lift options or conversions from IFS to solid for portal options. Pros and cons. What are your thoughts and would you consider them on your 79?
is this still actual? I believe the parabolic spring leafs come now in constant loads up to 700Kg, depending on the car. For example, for my 2016 Ford Ranger, Fulcrum sells 300-500Kg constant load Formula Parabolics.. And I've seen others selling 700Kg constant parabolics for 70 series (TerrainTamer4WD). Now, they may try to bull people, I don;t know; but I thought this video is 6years old at this mom, and parabolics are now ..better?? Thanks Ronny!!
I'm wondering about the Dobinsons MRA shocks/full kit for my 2016 Tacoma TRD offroad. I currently have a RTT, rock sliders and a SSO hybrid front bumper & winch (synthetic line), and when I drive to/from work I drive unloaded (rtt comes off in winter, and I add 200-300lbs of weight in the bed (sand bags, for traction), I want the MRA as most of the offroading I do is corrugated roads with lots of potholes at high rates of speed 45-50MPH, but I also want good road manners, the good and bad of this suspension/shock if there are any known issues, I like that they have more adjust-ability than kings, fox, icon, and they are fully rebuild-able, this is my Daily driver.. I am building my truck for cross country trips in the coming years... thanks.
Hi Ronny, next time please ask the experts about Landcruiser 100 series IFS. Can I lift it 2.5"-3" front and 3" at the rear to clear my 35" tyres? for this particular rig, do you guys recommend non-adjustable UCA(Blackhawk) or SPC adjustable UCAs? many thanks
Hey ronny what would you recommend a bp51 or a Tjm Pace or a Dobinson MRR? For daily(w/a mix of construction haul) and weekend offroad/overland on a Ford ranger
Hi Ronny! nice vid. my question with a front solid axle on an old hilux ln series which one is better leaf springs or coil springs? the pros and cons??
when you say 2"-3" lift for IFS, where are you measuring the lift? Is it ground clearance at the skid, is it hub to fender difference, is it spring height difference? Where's the "lift" measurement taken?
LR3, talking air suspension. no probs with loads, of course. but no chance to measure temperature of the dampers either, cause they're burried inside the air struts. 1. how can I check if they're still healthy, except from test stand? 2. does it make sense to upgrade the dampers (let's say some bilstein) when swapping the struts anyways, cause rubber is about to be dried and worn?
Fantastic video Ronny and big cheers to the guys at Malaga Suspension. This helps heaps in understanding various options, benefits and pitfalls.
Thank you Ronny for busting the Parabolic Myth 👍.
Watched a couple videos from you at Malaga suspension, that younger fella on the right sure knows his stuff and speaks well!
He really knows his stuff. Did a great job on my cruiser.
I know im asking randomly but does any of you know a way to log back into an instagram account?
I stupidly lost the account password. I love any help you can give me!
@Russell Martin Instablaster ;)
@Sonny Henry I really appreciate your reply. I found the site on google and Im waiting for the hacking stuff now.
Seems to take a while so I will get back to you later when my account password hopefully is recovered.
@Sonny Henry It did the trick and I actually got access to my account again. I'm so happy!
Thank you so much you really help me out :D
Well done Ronny and team. More of this type of videos please
Kudos to the guys from Malaga suspension... Despite the fact I can't help but think malaka every time I hear it.
Mistios!!!
Easily the most helpful video on youtube that i have seen on suspension work
Thanks for taking the time guys, great informative vid from local folks in Perth.
First time I heard someone talk about spacers and that you go into cool bind before hitting bump stops. Makes so much sense and just made me rethink as I was about to do it. Thanks so much for sharing this knowledge!
There is a vested intetested here to not want you to go spacers when they can up sell you springs instead. I've run spacers and never had issues, plenty of guys haven't either, so some research where you aren't going to be sold something first
4x4 talk, this is a great idea..love it
Didnt think Id enjoy a 30 min video. I might watch it again! Great info fellas
Great subject, nice to hear from the experts.
Now take your 3" lift to QLD :-)
Great video mate! Your content is always straight to the point with no BS…appreciate that.
Good video ronny 👍
Remote res also does more than just cooling, the resevoir also gives somewhere for the oil in the shock to go when the shock fully compresses. Standard shocks generally are not full of oil, because if they were, the shock would hydrolock when fully compressed. Theres a nitrogen and oil mix in standard monotubes. 👍
These guys know what they’re talking about love these videos
Thanks Ronny with the team
Thanks guys appreciate your feed back. I ended up going with the caster correction and shes riding beautifully
thankyou for the awesome vid, now planning on getting parabolic on my rear leaf gu :)
Hey ronny! glad to hear the boys answers to my question. After looking into it more the solution i ended up going with was resetting the primary leaf pack. As the car wasn't over sprung but just due to age the leaf packs were riding on the secondary load bearing leafs.
Great information... I learn something new every time I watch your videos.
Thanks for taking the time on making this informative video with the experts!!!
Would love to see lots more episodes like this 👍
Great video, good content from blokes who know what they're talking about. I will be definitely be paying these guys a visit soon for a 2" lift on my Hilux.
Super interesting video, thanks Ronny! Would love more in-depth episode on shocks, reservoirs, valving and perhaps taking into account legality in different states and what is required when travelling interstate.
statements.qld.gov.au/Statement/2018/9/12/operation-lift-and-queenslands-suspension-and-lift-laws "To be clear: a modified vehicle registered in another state or jurisdiction can legally drive in Queensland, provided that vehicle continues to comply with the modifications that were approved in that state or jurisdiction."
Great video! I was actually going to try 3" lift on a Triton MQ and now I forgot about it. Also great discussion about the leaf springs!
Thanks for a very informative vid Ronny.
One thing I was hoping you'd discuss is airbag helpers for coils and leaf springs.
I also think it should've been made clear that spring spacers are illegal as are wheel spacers.
Love ya work mate.
And thanks again
Mick
Very up-lifting story Ronny and good information on what not to do re lifts :-)
Great insights. I'm looking at doing a 2 inch soon and this information is good to understand what's best. Cheers mate
If any vehicle justifies a lift it was our V6 Grand Vitara that took us to every inch of the Pilbara - up creek beds, deep crossings etc over the 5 yrs we lived there l. The bottom of it looked like it had been through a war. Just get the hell out there and drive.
What about legalities? Where does a car sit legally in the eyes of the law?
Awesome video - good on yas
to answer the weight debate when adding something on to existing tray vs purpose built off the chassis
your standard setup out of the showroom gives roughly 250kg out of the 500kg weight limit..
you will be needing to consider a gvm upgrade to cater for the excess weight because you have to consider the weight of the existing tray + the camper or storage bins and fuel capacity on top of that..
downgrade of suspension means you carry less just because you have around 1 tonne capacity doesn't mean you can tow 2= tonnes off the back..
whether it be a kitted out trailer or something in the region of 23 foot caravan
combined what is installed in the back of the ute or full saloon 4x4 body
you may need to consider a 6x4-6x6 conversion to offset the excess weight you are going to carry.
Note this may also lead to a chassis rail upgrade to support excees weight as what ever the base chassis may buckle under the weight of the add-ons you do
awesome video guys, you should do way more types of videos like this. Much love all the way from Barbaods.
Awesome Ronny. Topic very well covered and I am much the wiser for it. Thank you
Thank you for filming at 50fps and not 30fps
Fantastic! Thanks for putting this video together guys!
Love these videos guys! Keep it up. I learn something every time!. Thanks from South Africa.
Great video Ronny. This will help me and a lot of others with choosing a lift 👍
A remote reservoir adds almost no cooling unless the hose is extremely short. The oil is moving back and forth within the hose, not circulating to the reservoir. If the reservoir has valving in it that does help by removing some of the heat load from the shock.
BDS, Fabtech, Procomp are some lift kits here in the states which supply everything you need to go from 3"-6". Also if you go to a 35" tire could be a 1-2" lift depending on what you started with 31" or 33" tire. So you could be doing a 2" lift but with tires could be higher.
Well done lads, very informative and well done.
Awesome video. Been searching for options to get more articulation in my 79 series, coil front leaf rear. Seems like a good setup with parabolic leafs will be the go for me!
Question? I have a 2017 double cab 4x4 Toyota Tacoma I originally put 3" spacers on front & 1 inch spacer with 33" tires 285/75/16. After I had a front steel "small" WARN bumper installed for my WARN Winch I lost over an inch of height. Then my brand new tires started to rub, all this was done in two weeks time frame. So then I return the original tires for 32" tires 265/75/16 got rid of the front 3" & rear 1" spacers. Changed the complete front & rear suspension to a front Bilstein 6112 Coilover (2" max) & rear 5160 shocks (w) remote reservoir, plus added a single leaf spring pack to rear. These Bilstein shocks have a life time warranty but if I was to use a spacer in conjunction with the front 6112 series Coilovers then it voids the life time warranty. I still don't have the 3" height like I wanted. After watching a few TH-cam videos KING Coilover Shocks has a "specialty order" made 700lbs front springs to combat the extra weight for front suspension, & to give you 3" of height in front of vehicle. It seems no other shock manufacture company has this option. I guess everyone just uses 600lbs springs. Not sure how folks are getting 33", 35', 37' tires with a full or partial steel front bumper and winch system on the Tacoma's, & Hilux's. Can you please give me your guidance.
Biggest benefit of the remote res shock is NOT for the cooling. It does do a little bit of that, but the main purpose is to have 100% oil inside the shock body as well as to separate the oil from the nitrogen gas.
Works Performance advised going with spring rather than making up for lack of spring with damping. They had a triple rate spring. A lot of shock mounts can't handle more than stock loads.
This is really good talk. Thank you!!
The parabolics look like a good idea to put on the front of an 80s hilux while keeping the standard ones on the back for load carrying.
Having the leaf packs sit on top of the axels also means there is less chance of them getting caught up.
We need more 4wd info content!
Great job guys
THANK YOU FOR DETAIL VIDEO AS LAWS ARE STATE ROUND AUSTRALIA DUE SUSPENSION KIT IN 4X4 AND TYPES
Robert Lewis hi..iam sure they'll make a disclaimer advice on this particular matter next show..-_- should be a given.
Where's episode 2? 😁
Need more stuff like this.
The shock video should be a good one. There is a massive difference between even all the remote res shocks. Some have internal by pass some have bump stops. Some are simply a monotube shock with a res.
Very insightful. Great video! Thank you!
Shout out cheers guys.
The shudder has almost gone now.
Sits around 51mm now in the rear after settling.
And these are bilstien shocks with progressive king springs.
another awesome video mate! was very informative even for someone with a basic understanding
Thanks great video learned a whole lot more about suspension
Ripping video! Looking into parabolic springs for our setup..
Thanks for this video, it's clarified several of my questions very well.
(I miss the TH-cam private messaging, b/c this may be more appropriate there, but here we go...)
And I still have a couple questions regarding the puck, strut-top spacers, commonly called levelers. ;)
I know I know I know. ;) I understand the physics and I get the concerns. I see how relocating the strut down ineffectualizes the bump stop and you did a great job explaining that at full stuff/compression, the coils can bind stopping suspension travel and the shock tower can deflect that energy and fail. I understand these main concerns are traveling at some speed with high impact (could be corrugated roads or even a city street with a harsh dip). The video clarified my understanding as I'd thought the shock itself would compress fully and fail, but you've suggested the shock has more travel than a fully compressed spring.
My application is a 2007 GX 470 with KDSS (USA), LC120. I understand FULLY that a real lift is the way to go BUT I'm not in that place yet for this car and I just want a little more clearance under the front end (factory is 8.3" and with my oversize tires I was at about 8.75") It's still a family hauler (NOT a mall crawler as it does leave tarmac), road trip car, car-camping and weekend get-a-way light-medium off road duty rig. I live in Moab, Utah, USA so weekend camping trips include canyonlands national park (elephant hill, the maze, Colorado mountains around Ouray, etc. etc.).
So, with all that background, I'm fully pleased with this rig's stock capability and suspension travel. I like the variable valve dampening in the sport-comfort ride control that comes standard with this car. I understand replacing for a coil-over or classic longer shock-spring setup will mean pulling the rear airbags for coils and that I'll lose the ride control. As such, I'm testing a very low cost spacer. Again, I've read and heard the warnings and please read me out.
I have a 0.75" strut-top (not compressing the spring, but on top of the assembled strut) spacer, which in this rig affords 1.5" lift at the skid and fender clearance over the tire. I hypothesize that if I can relocate the bump stop down 1/2" to 5/8" inch it will be functional again and I will still otherwise have full compression and droop. The community supports that this puck is close to the threshold for the stock ball joint movement so that I can still achieve full droop without binding or damage, and the bump stop correction will rectify the full stuff/compression concern that comes with these spacers. I've had it aligned back to spec and it rides perfectly. I have not yet had it off road but i have a trip planned in a few weeks where it'll see articulation and use. I plan to have some iteration of bump stop mod in place bu then, whether it's just a drop spacer and stock bump stop or something like the wheelersoffroad bump stop.
wheelersoffroad.com/i-25490332-wheelers-front-superbump-bumpstop-set-for-2005-tacoma-2003-4runner-2007-fj-cruiser-2007-tundra-01superbumpkit.html
Thank you for your time and consideration of this exhaustive question and I look forward to your reply as well as more videos.
Ciao- MW-
**EDIT**
I fabbed 1/4" steel spacers for the bump stops. it's perfect. the sacers afforded the front clearance I wanted. I have adjustable lift stock in this rig's rear airbags, so on trail the rear can be lifted an additional 1.6" EVEN when fully loaded with 1300# of kit for a week-long trip.
PSSST, RONNY, give me a message when you come to Moab this year (2020)! I saw your Moab videos, great stuff and awesomely shared with the new experiences that is my home and playground.
Great talk Ronn. Thx
However I have to disagree with the 'not having to put caster correction bushes in a Jimny with a 2in lift'.
After lifting my Jimny by 2 inches the steering would not self correct. After the caster correction was installed, it was a lot better. (although not perfect).
Ty
Coils can carry weight fine (Defender, Patrol, G wagen), the real benefit over leafs is clearance, articulation and comfort. The cost of the coil conversion for a 70 series though makes the established coil sprung vehicles look like bargains.
Will there be a part/episode 2? Interested to hear more on dual tube shock absorbers.
I have a properly done 50 mm on my 80 (tjm progressive springs, ICON VS2.0 shocks, control arms drops, longer shocks, sway bar extensions, etc) and I also have a sway bar disconnect kit for the front. I find that the whole swaybar thing is very dependant on your system, and type of wheeling. When I'm doing undulating terrain or very technical it helps a lot to smooth things out, but I also also tore my brake lines out in front. be careful about that. Other people say to leave the front in and take the back out since the back flexes more anyway and it gives you more traction on loose climbs. in either case I've run high speed without the bars and its not terrible, but its not safe...find a disconnect kit, don't remove them.
awesome video man, im getting a 3inch lift from malaga soon! so keen
Very topical choice for QLD at the moment.
Looking at a new suspension set up for the gu really helpful content!
Well I just installed a 2.5” dobinsons IFS in an 07 FJ with the dobinsons UCA and a dif drop kit. I thought it would be better to stick with the manufacture then to go with a different UCA with adjustability in the ball joint position. I’m hoping this doesn’t cause issues like your mates are saying. 🤞🏻🤞🏻
We had our Prado 120 from new 2008 until sold mid 2018. Has had 4 types of shocks, Bilstein were poor back then, the Dobinsons MRR's with remote reservoirs failed in the NT outback trip, and replaced them in Alice with Ironman FoamCell shocks. The reason we think the Dobs fail on the Prado is that the remote tube is at the bottom of the shock - should have been at the top with less movement. The Ironman shocks were way better than any of the previous shocks we had. Moved to a 79 series now with Ironman Foamcells and they are excellent. Foamcells can be revalved, they are ok in standard but excellent when the valving is altered to suit the actual vehicle weights and type trips etc.
First time I've ever seen Bilsteins described as a poor shock.
There were major issues with the Bilsteins in 2008 Prado 120 and later 150. The general supplied Bilstein shocks for the Prado 120 back then were numbers: BE5-712/713. The two main issues were the valving, and the length of the shocks on the lifted Prado. Ours were supplied with the lift and the 712/713's and they did not work well and the valving was terrible for outback trips. Plenty of information on the pradopoint about the shocks. www.pradopoint.com.au/forum/-120-series-discussion-only/suspension-120-series/29062-bilstein-struts-and-shocks-lengths-and-valving Now, there is more information about the correct Bilstein shocks and spring rates for the Prado. Unfortunately, that info and different Bilsteins were not easy to find in 2008.
Information overload!!!!
Great job as always, seems like a lot of editing went into this vid.
If I’m driving on long corrugated gravel/sand roads, I found it beneficial to down pressure tyres to 25-30 psi, this takes a lot out of the bumps and also reduces you adding to more corrugations
Yes mate that is common knowledge for most
Very informative vid as everytime! Thanks for this!
Great video, really informative.
Wooooo! Thanks Ronny!! 👍
It’s funny as you asked when the video was just last week 🤣👍
cheers gents. very useful.
If a top hat spacer is fitted above the strut, to achieve the aforesaid "lift", then the static equilibrium point would still shift down. But would the strut's extended length also cause the down travel to increase beyond the previous droop limit. Would this mean that the wheel travel in this case is not conserved and has increased? (by an amount equal to spacer thickness) ?
Thanks for the video and effort in explaining it practically.
How do you see a 2,5” lift with new uca? What about 3” + new uca? Both cases without diff drop.
Did you got problems with the 2,5” in your Hilux? Did you drop down the diff?
Thanks!!
Great video! As the most from you
Great vid, guys and RD, brilliant series idea cheers.
When empty in my N70 used to just throw a couple of sandbags in the back for a comfier ride in town cheap hack done, but honestly never bothered me that much, but lest ya leafs are they’re when you need em .
I’d also wonder what tires these guys are running and what sort of ratio of height to tire width they are using, another issue for street stance when taken off road or even back roads sealed,, imo far too many city farmers big rims, low height, t’s a truck not a stance look at me wagon that most are used for in the city, why so many using spaced kits to lift they’re trucks as well, but that’s today for you, I know farmers as well that go through shocks on they’re Outbacks, MUVs, Rangers like hot knives through butter and complain the cars are shit house, you guys covered it the stock shocks being over driven way to fast on long corrugated gravel roads over heating esspecially under loads, used to see it constantly on one road I lived on guys doing over 100km in 70 series utes with all sorts on the back daily. Also putting others at risk, more than a few times recused people in a creek or a ditch, Ya can’t fix stupid or cheap.
Hey Ronnie. Where is episode 2, on coil sprung, live axle 80s?
Cool. I believe the real question is, what type of juice is Corrie on ?
A thought, and a question, regarding removing a sway bar ... (assuming all brakelines etc. are properly extended/lengthened) what if you have IFS and you installed adjustable air ride suspension within the coils? ... if you pumped up the psi would that not compensate for having removed the swaybar? ... also by nearly deflating the airbags won't you regain most of the "removing your swaybar" benefits? Many thanks in advance for your responses.
Hey guys nice vid very helpful. Couple of Quick questions for your suspension experts,
I know you don’t recommend the strut spacer kits, but if I use washers/extended bump stops, to lower the bump stops so the lower control arm still has the same travel to hit the bump stops as it did before the strut spacer, I shouldn’t run into broken struts right?
I don’t do serious off-roading more of a show pony really with an XL ranger that dreams of being a raptor,
also I can’t find standard height coil spring replacements with an increased constant load for a steel bull bar... only raised ones any recommendations for adding a bull bar to factory height 2016 px2 ranger with out a lift?
Cheers guys I know it’s a year old but I thought I’d try.
Very interesting video and information, I didn't know that a 2" lift actually gave you more wheel travel than a 3" lift not done right. On that note, if you do the lift right will a 3" have more wheel travel than a 2"? I'm also a bit confused regarding 4" lifts. It's getting to the limits because as mentioned the arm is now touching the coil but I'm not sure if it's the max but still provides more wheel travel than a 3.5" or 3" lift or because the 4" lift is getting to the limit a 3.5" or 3" lift actually gives better wheen travel? Additionally, this is for IFS vehicles, but for live axle vehicles can you lift up to whatever amount you want without affecting vehicle performance and wheel travel?
Great video with great information although QLD registered vehicles are pretty much maxed at 2 inch suspension lift to stay legal.
HQ tattoo matched the HQ on the alignment lift.
Hey Ronny
I’m just wondering did you go a GVM upgrade on your rig? And are you still happy running the Dobinsons lift? Iv here many good thanks about them.
Cheers mate. 🍻👍🏽
Good content, nice interview stay.
Great video 👍 how often would you replace the shocks?
Great video
When you guys do the ep on shocks can you do a bit about OME shocks as i'm looking to put a set in my patrol wagon. Cheers :D
Much better brands out there mate
@@Reaper_787 most definitely lol. But pulled my big 7 inch kit out with do in sons springs and iron man pro shocks down to a 2 inch kit. Looking to go back to just a general family 4x4 with only a little bit off road do the cheaper option
@Billy i settled on some iron man shocks instead but same same. come with 3 year warranty so cant go wrong
@Billy 3 weeks ago ARB quoted me $1600 for leaf and shocks on my Suzuki Sierra. EFS got the nod at $700! The $900 I saved bought the winch. ARB stands for Always Really Broke if you are buying their gear.
You guys just talked me out of leveler spacers for my 2018 TRD Pro 4Runner. Thanks! :) I guess I'll save for a full OME or KING kit.
Have you made an episode specific on portal axles. For solid axle lift options or conversions from IFS to solid for portal options. Pros and cons. What are your thoughts and would you consider them on your 79?
Hi Ronnie what brand of parabolic are you using in the 79 thanks
Can we get a walk around of the Kingswood out the back 😍
Hi Ronny, does upgrading your suspension to 2” lift void your new car warranty? Thanks
is this still actual? I believe the parabolic spring leafs come now in constant loads up to 700Kg, depending on the car. For example, for my 2016 Ford Ranger, Fulcrum sells 300-500Kg constant load Formula Parabolics.. And I've seen others selling 700Kg constant parabolics for 70 series (TerrainTamer4WD). Now, they may try to bull people, I don;t know; but I thought this video is 6years old at this mom, and parabolics are now ..better?? Thanks Ronny!!
I'm wondering about the Dobinsons MRA shocks/full kit for my 2016 Tacoma TRD offroad. I currently have a RTT, rock sliders and a SSO hybrid front bumper & winch (synthetic line), and when I drive to/from work I drive unloaded (rtt comes off in winter, and I add 200-300lbs of weight in the bed (sand bags, for traction), I want the MRA as most of the offroading I do is corrugated roads with lots of potholes at high rates of speed 45-50MPH, but I also want good road manners, the good and bad of this suspension/shock if there are any known issues, I like that they have more adjust-ability than kings, fox, icon, and they are fully rebuild-able, this is my Daily driver.. I am building my truck for cross country trips in the coming years... thanks.
Hi Ronny, next time please ask the experts about Landcruiser 100 series IFS. Can I lift it 2.5"-3" front and 3" at the rear to clear my 35" tyres? for this particular rig, do you guys recommend non-adjustable UCA(Blackhawk) or SPC adjustable UCAs? many thanks
please do something like this for IFS&IRS i drive a gen 4 pajero thanks
Hey ronny what would you recommend a bp51 or a Tjm Pace or a Dobinson MRR? For daily(w/a mix of construction haul) and weekend offroad/overland on a Ford ranger
20k for a lift kit wtf.....
even 4K is a lot
Don’t forget a remote res will also give way more flex!!!
Hi Ronny! nice vid. my question with a front solid axle on an old hilux ln series which one is better leaf springs or coil springs? the pros and cons??
Keen on Remote reserviors for better flex when needed?
when you say 2"-3" lift for IFS, where are you measuring the lift?
Is it ground clearance at the skid, is it hub to fender difference, is it spring height difference?
Where's the "lift" measurement taken?
LR3, talking air suspension. no probs with loads, of course. but no chance to measure temperature of the dampers either, cause they're burried inside the air struts. 1. how can I check if they're still healthy, except from test stand? 2. does it make sense to upgrade the dampers (let's say some bilstein) when swapping the struts anyways, cause rubber is about to be dried and worn?