I love how in the early days youtubers would rip Makita a new one for the charger being loud because of the fans in them. Now nearly everyone is starting to put fans in their chargers and everyone is all of a sudden ok with it. Makita once again quietly leading the way (let's not think about their nails guns shall we)
Most brands have had fans in their chargers for ages. It's just Milwaukee and maybe Bosch that didn't. Even then, that's not totally true. Milwaukee had a fan in their older super charger(the really big M18/M12 charger from 2019 or 2020), and they've had fans in the MX Fuel chargers all along.
Your home power supply can handle more than 18 amps charging at those voltages. Way more. It could do 100 amps or more. The limitation would be with the cells. As for the fans, those are purely to cool the internal components of the charger which get extremely hot.
if the charger had no loss in theory you could push 120amps output so my guess is you would probably be pretty close with your 100amps. (I was hoping to find someone with a bit more of a clue than the reviewer)
@@DESX312 oh good xgt. The exact same battery line with the same tools. Had to buy Milwaukee tools because I needed a table saw, pex crimp tools ext. They have nothing for the trade.
@@notAdvised23as a Milwaukee user since 2005, Milwaukee should focus on battery durability. They’ve improved from first introduction of the v28 platform, but there’s still needed improvements in m12 and m18 battery tech. Though I’m guessing most manufacturers have or have had issues with batteries crapping the bed sooner than they should.
I haven't seen a plain Jane xc 6.0 here in Canada for a long time. I forgot they even made them. I just checked the Home Depot site and they still list the xc 6.0 but with a "Out of Stock Online. Not Sold in Stores". On a side note, also saw the M12 xc 6.0 going for $98 instead of $168 so I put one in the cart. Glad I watched this video today.. Thanks dude.
I prefer the slower charging because the batteries last longer. I have so many batteries I don't worry about needing a charged battery. The ones I don't use often I store at half charge so they don't degrade as fast. I also try to rotate my batteries so I don't use just 1 or 2.
@@bwselectronicreally? Can you show me the article? I though about that before and used the slower chargers overnight but rapid ones at work to keep them fresh as I use them
Ive never had a problem with my makita 18v batteries in 15 years but my workmate did have problems with the old hitachi 18v batteries duing when you use the fast charger.
I had a M12 rover light go up in flames all by itself while running…..Milwaukee really doesn’t want to talk about it. Thinking about putting it up on TH-cam for the world to see. Maybe then they will want to talk to me more about it
I think 🤔 it’s fair to say Milwaukee have put there foot to the pedal.. releasing new stuff , left , right and centre… never been a huge fan , but they are turning my head , and there finishing nailers are great 👍🏼
J'aime vraiment cette chaîne youtube toujours des informations tres bien detailler . Milwaukee on pousser fort avec le supercharger et la forge maintenant milwaukee donner nous la 12 forge 😁
In the UK market they have a dual 12v/18v Supercharger but mysteriously its slightly slower than the dual 18v Supercharger which I find weird. As you say Tools it needs a sound and a USB charger like the Makita dual charger
Makita has an 18V 12A carger for the Japanese market only, the DC18RF. The regular Makita 40V charger could theoretically charge the 18V Makita batteries at 12A too through the adapter.
2 of my standard 6.0 that came with my kit stuffed out both times got replaced with new 6.0 high outputs my rep just said normal 6.0 is no longer being sold in NZ that was a good 3 years ago
I found standard 6.0 amp battery oem from eBay but not fake Milwaukee battery aka fakewaukee…. now, I kinda complain the very expensive price right now from 6.0 highoutput for 280 dollars from any stores.
Bet that charger barely makes warranty period on site work. I’ve got Makita teal chargers still working. All we really want to know is how those big capacity high outputs work on Makita tools 👍
Nice overview of charging milwaukee batteries on the new charger. 1. I think maybe a slight difference of the charging time of the 12 Ah milwaukee battery between real time charging and spec sheet data, could be unblanced cells. There are many videos of problems with unbalanced cells in half of my 12 Ah batteries, especially the older ones. DIY addictir korean channel does a nice video of how to balance charge them with a nifty external balancing system. I have tried other youtube methods with balancing rows of cells in my battery cells every few charges, using a dc power supply to trickle charge the unbalanced cells to match the nominal equal voltage to the other cells. That often solves the 3 bars charging limit of many batteries. Unblancing iccurs mire and more as the batteries are used more and more. The unbalancing increases over time. Reblancing makes the batteries last much longer, but the milwaukee batteries and bms do a poor job of rebalancing, and I think the new charger is no different. 2. Interestingly in your video I can see a 5 pin charging port on the new charger. That is potentially amazing, because it means this charger potentially support charging and discharging on the same port, which potentially means this charger could be used for both charging the batteries, but als used to discharge the battery which means it could function as a battery bank. So this device in the current or futire itteration could be used as a portable battery bank or power station. If milwaukee is smart it could fither develop this to support solar charging with a solar charging port. With 5bpins it would be nice if we could charge and discharge the batteries simultaneously. Over 400 wh at 18 or 36 Volts at 10 or 20 amps has some interesting potential when 2 12ah batteries can be combined in parallel or series on these chargers!😊
I’m thinking that the contacts and charger wiring act as a heat sink to pull heat from the batteries. The “battery” fan can cool these and the heat will travel from the battery due to entropy.
interesting, looks like milwaukee discovered airflow through a solid barrier, maybe they should get a nobel prize for that 😎 joking aside, it looks that it is pushing more than 12A when rapid charging one forge pack, it charges in less than half an hour, and if you take a CC portion of charge cycle into account it has to be around 18A.
I don't get why they do the sequential super-charge thing. The US 120v model is rated at 4 amps input, which should not be a problem unless the circuit is otherwise heavily loaded. The kiwi version should be like 2-3 amps I would guess. Makita dual rapid 40v charger is rated at more amps I'm pretty sure--but they are basically 2 single units in a bigger case.
I wonder what the run-time is, comparing the 12Ah @18v Milwaukee to the Makita 8 Ah @ 40v....? Also, would it be worth it to get an adapter to fit M18's to Maktools??? Cheers, Mate, thanks for another superior vid!!
FAST Charge VS S L O W Charge; this will be debated ad nauseam. Having said that, almost everyone will have a shop fan, or smaller fan, or battery fan or something similar. Even if I am using a ‘fast charger’ with a fan cooling system, or regular charger, I will have a small fan blowing across the charger and battery, during charging, and it MAKES a difference. I cannot tell You if this will prolong the life of the battery, but I CAN TELL You it lowers the temps quite a bit. Yes, I have tested this quite extensively, using a high quality IR gun. Try it yourself! I would wager it does help, as anytime you can keep the heat down in a battery, it is beneficial. Peace!
Am I right in thinking the super charger isn't anything special in comparison to Makita's chargers? 65 mins to do 12ah is comparable with 50mins to do a 5ah XGT battery. It slightly beats out the charging of a BL1850 but that doesn't have special cells in it like the Milwaukee batteries do.
I want to know why they made the forge battery so large. I thought half the point of the pouch cell was making the form factor smaller. DeWalt fit 5AH in a battery about the size of Milwaukee's 3AH
Milwaukee battery it worst, especially the high amp doesn’t last a year, I had Malaysia power tool group had a lot of complaint about the battery die in six months and the charger don’t have the fan to cool down and the worst BMS. Low quality Samsung battery cell with high price.
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I love how in the early days youtubers would rip Makita a new one for the charger being loud because of the fans in them. Now nearly everyone is starting to put fans in their chargers and everyone is all of a sudden ok with it.
Makita once again quietly leading the way (let's not think about their nails guns shall we)
As usual...
Most brands have had fans in their chargers for ages. It's just Milwaukee and maybe Bosch that didn't.
Even then, that's not totally true. Milwaukee had a fan in their older super charger(the really big M18/M12 charger from 2019 or 2020), and they've had fans in the MX Fuel chargers all along.
MILWAUKEE needs to make a SUPER FAST DUEL M12 CHARGER
Im not a Milwaukee tool fan but still like to be informed of power tool technology.
Your home power supply can handle more than 18 amps charging at those voltages. Way more. It could do 100 amps or more. The limitation would be with the cells.
As for the fans, those are purely to cool the internal components of the charger which get extremely hot.
if the charger had no loss in theory you could push 120amps output so my guess is you would probably be pretty close with your 100amps. (I was hoping to find someone with a bit more of a clue than the reviewer)
@@konaguzzi1Sure, lets assume 80% efficiency.
Frankly I was more concerned about his cooling holes...
No USB port and musical tune like the Makita dual charger.
Makita needs to stop with the non sense like the music and start focusing on battery tech if they want to stay relevant like Milwaukee.
@@notAdvised23
Like what they've already done with the XGT line?
@@DESX312 oh good xgt. The exact same battery line with the same tools. Had to buy Milwaukee tools because I needed a table saw, pex crimp tools ext. They have nothing for the trade.
@@notAdvised23as a Milwaukee user since 2005, Milwaukee should focus on battery durability. They’ve improved from first introduction of the v28 platform, but there’s still needed improvements in m12 and m18 battery tech. Though I’m guessing most manufacturers have or have had issues with batteries crapping the bed sooner than they should.
@@notAdvised23 Like it or not, if you're in another room, you know when your battery is done charging, mate!
I haven't seen a plain Jane xc 6.0 here in Canada for a long time. I forgot they even made them.
I just checked the Home Depot site and they still list the xc 6.0 but with a "Out of Stock Online. Not Sold in Stores".
On a side note, also saw the M12 xc 6.0 going for $98 instead of $168 so I put one in the cart. Glad I watched this video today.. Thanks dude.
Don't find them in the UK either
I prefer the slower charging because the batteries last longer. I have so many batteries I don't worry about needing a charged battery. The ones I don't use often I store at half charge so they don't degrade as fast.
I also try to rotate my batteries so I don't use just 1 or 2.
these are not nicd or nimh
@zaphod_beeblerox research has shown that high speed storage shortens life & half charge long storage on lithium batteries gives a longer life
@@bwselectronicreally? Can you show me the article? I though about that before and used the slower chargers overnight but rapid ones at work to keep them fresh as I use them
Ive never had a problem with my makita 18v batteries in 15 years but my workmate did have problems with the old hitachi 18v batteries duing when you use the fast charger.
@@zaphod_beebleroxhigher charging current is still bad for batteries
I had a M12 rover light go up in flames all by itself while running…..Milwaukee really doesn’t want to talk about it. Thinking about putting it up on TH-cam for the world to see. Maybe then they will want to talk to me more about it
I think 🤔 it’s fair to say Milwaukee have put there foot to the pedal.. releasing new stuff , left , right and centre… never been a huge fan , but they are turning my head , and there finishing nailers are great 👍🏼
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J'aime vraiment cette chaîne youtube toujours des informations tres bien detailler . Milwaukee on pousser fort avec le supercharger et la forge maintenant milwaukee donner nous la 12 forge 😁
I'm team makita, but I'm so impressed with power of all millwaukee batteries
In the UK market they have a dual 12v/18v Supercharger but mysteriously its slightly slower than the dual 18v Supercharger which I find weird. As you say Tools it needs a sound and a USB charger like the Makita dual charger
Cool auxiliary aircraft fuel tank.
2 x 18A x 18V is only about 750W, allow a little more for PSU inefficiency and any mains power outlet ought to be able to handle it (under 4A at 230V)
Makita has an 18V 12A carger for the Japanese market only, the DC18RF. The regular Makita 40V charger could theoretically charge the 18V Makita batteries at 12A too through the adapter.
The new 8 and 12 amp hour Forge batteries will have vents on the housing to allow airflow right onto and around the cells themselves
2 of my standard 6.0 that came with my kit stuffed out both times got replaced with new 6.0 high outputs my rep just said normal 6.0 is no longer being sold in NZ that was a good 3 years ago
I found standard 6.0 amp battery oem from eBay but not fake Milwaukee battery aka fakewaukee…. now, I kinda complain the very expensive price right now from 6.0 highoutput for 280 dollars from any stores.
Bet that charger barely makes warranty period on site work. I’ve got Makita teal chargers still working.
All we really want to know is how those big capacity high outputs work on Makita tools 👍
How I cook off hot BATTERIES with all my PLATFORMS is sticking them in FREEZER for about 20 minutes then put them on the CHARGER
i like how they just stick with 18v and same mount.
Nice overview of charging milwaukee batteries on the new charger.
1. I think maybe a slight difference of the charging time of the 12 Ah milwaukee battery between real time charging and spec sheet data, could be unblanced cells. There are many videos of problems with unbalanced cells in half of my 12 Ah batteries, especially the older ones. DIY addictir korean channel does a nice video of how to balance charge them with a nifty external balancing system. I have tried other youtube methods with balancing rows of cells in my battery cells every few charges, using a dc power supply to trickle charge the unbalanced cells to match the nominal equal voltage to the other cells. That often solves the 3 bars charging limit of many batteries. Unblancing iccurs mire and more as the batteries are used more and more. The unbalancing increases over time. Reblancing makes the batteries last much longer, but the milwaukee batteries and bms do a poor job of rebalancing, and I think the new charger is no different.
2. Interestingly in your video I can see a 5 pin charging port on the new charger. That is potentially amazing, because it means this charger potentially support charging and discharging on the same port, which potentially means this charger could be used for both charging the batteries, but als used to discharge the battery which means it could function as a battery bank. So this device in the current or futire itteration could be used as a portable battery bank or power station. If milwaukee is smart it could fither develop this to support solar charging with a solar charging port. With 5bpins it would be nice if we could charge and discharge the batteries simultaneously. Over 400 wh at 18 or 36 Volts at 10 or 20 amps has some interesting potential when 2 12ah batteries can be combined in parallel or series on these chargers!😊
I’m thinking that the contacts and charger wiring act as a heat sink to pull heat from the batteries. The “battery” fan can cool these and the heat will travel from the battery due to entropy.
Where did you find the 18650 6.0 ? I've wanted to get a couple for no good reason at all.
Maybe the fans are just for the mosfets under the charging port? Would be cool if you open it
interesting, looks like milwaukee discovered airflow through a solid barrier, maybe they should get a nobel prize for that 😎
joking aside, it looks that it is pushing more than 12A when rapid charging one forge pack, it charges in less than half an hour, and if you take a CC portion of charge cycle into account it has to be around 18A.
Makita's DC18RF charger is rated at 12A and charges the 6ah battery in about 40 mins. I assume the milwaukee is slightly higher output
@@antomac9529 it looks like Milwaukee is 18a for one channel or 2x12 for two (based on timings from the video at least)
I don't get why they do the sequential super-charge thing. The US 120v model is rated at 4 amps input, which should not be a problem unless the circuit is otherwise heavily loaded. The kiwi version should be like 2-3 amps I would guess.
Makita dual rapid 40v charger is rated at more amps I'm pretty sure--but they are basically 2 single units in a bigger case.
I wonder what the run-time is, comparing the 12Ah @18v Milwaukee to the Makita 8 Ah @ 40v....? Also, would it be worth it to get an adapter to fit M18's to Maktools??? Cheers, Mate, thanks for another superior vid!!
Is this just a duel chager of the other super charger 48-59-1811?
These ones don't fight to the death.
My 60 volt-max charges in around 45 minutes on the rapid charger.
FAST Charge VS S L O W Charge; this will be debated ad nauseam. Having said that, almost everyone will have a shop fan, or smaller fan, or battery fan or something similar. Even if I am using a ‘fast charger’ with a fan cooling system, or regular charger, I will have a small fan blowing across the charger and battery, during charging, and it MAKES a difference. I cannot tell You if this will prolong the life of the battery, but I CAN TELL You it lowers the temps quite a bit. Yes, I have tested this quite extensively, using a high quality IR gun. Try it yourself! I would wager it does help, as anytime you can keep the heat down in a battery, it is beneficial. Peace!
Am I right in thinking the super charger isn't anything special in comparison to Makita's chargers? 65 mins to do 12ah is comparable with 50mins to do a 5ah XGT battery. It slightly beats out the charging of a BL1850 but that doesn't have special cells in it like the Milwaukee batteries do.
I want to know why they made the forge battery so large. I thought half the point of the pouch cell was making the form factor smaller. DeWalt fit 5AH in a battery about the size of Milwaukee's 3AH
Capacitance?
bro the powerstack 5.0 is not the same size as even a milwaukee xc 5.0.... its way bigger
Looks smaller to me. Maybe it's just short.
This is what happens when you can’t sleep at 3:30pm in Canada….you watch tool vids
Cheers!
Do you normally sleep in the middle of the afternoon?
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL 😂
Some days, I really wish I could….@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL
Ok but did they design this very expensive charger to work with their tab-less celled 12? Is that still happening?
Yes and yes as far as I'm aware.
Does the charger have a battery or why do you say that it has 18Ah?
he meant 18 amps charging current
They also make a Milwaukee super charger that's been out for a while
I believe it the 48-59 in the US
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Tools & Stuff --- Got a real charge out of this! I know, Ha Ha 🙄👍💪✌
Milwaukee battery it worst, especially the high amp doesn’t last a year, I had Malaysia power tool group had a lot of complaint about the battery die in six months and the charger don’t have the fan to cool down and the worst BMS. Low quality Samsung battery cell with high price.
the call it supercharger. But Bosch did 16A changer years ago, no bragging
🤣 @ 01:21 😊
More HiKOKI 😂
Not Makita not interested