Thank you for your detailed feedback on our PDnation battery system. We truly value your input and appreciate the opportunity to address your concerns and clarify some points. 1.Battery Size: We understand that the battery may seem a bit bigger compared to a standard 4.0Ah battery. This design choice ensures compatibility with a wide range of tool brands. Despite the slightly larger size, the weight remains comparable to regular batteries, ensuring that your user experience is not compromised. 2.Material Durability: Our batteries are made from ABS material to keep them lightweight. For professional users who require higher durability, we are considering using more robust materials in future versions. 3.Adapter Design: You mentioned concerns about the adapter being held in place with a small pin and the potential for it to snap off under impact. As you also noted in your video at 15:41, this design is common in other adapters, demonstrating that this solution is generally accepted. If this design works well in regular adapters, it should also be reliable in our products. 4.Ease of Installation and Removal: While you pointed out that getting the battery on and off can be challenging due to the tight fit and a button that doesn’t protrude much, this actually ensures that the battery will not easily slide out during use. This contradicts the concern about the tiny pin not holding the adapter securely, highlighting the robustness of our design. 5.USB Charging Method: While our adapter does not support charging with the original charger, USB charging offers greater convenience for many customers. This design aims to diversify and simplify charging options, saving customers from purchasing additional chargers. 6.Dust Cap Flap: We acknowledge that the dust cap flap can fall off quickly. Our R&D team is already working on improving the mold to address this issue. 7.Charging Speed: Charging speed depends on the maximum output of your charging device. For faster charging, a 45W charger is recommended, similar to choosing a 2A/4A/6A charger to improve charging speed. 8.Adapter Appearance: The yellow clip in the Makita battery is designed to balance the cells during charging. In our adapter, the yellow clip serves both for brand recognition and to enhance the overall aesthetic design. 9.High-Power Tool Performance: We will introduce higher capacity options to ensure stable performance under high loads. We will also intensify product testing to guarantee reliability in various usage scenarios. 10.PCB Design: Our current PCB design is shared with replacement batteries, which does not affect the adapter's functionality. Additionally, adding a "converting adapter" to a two-part system designed to communicate can sometimes disrupt safety features. However, our PDnation battery packs come with a built-in safety system that doesn't require communication with the tools. This ensures maximum user safety, even if the tool's safety features fail. Once again, thank you for your feedback. We are committed to improving our products and providing you with the best possible user experience. If you have any further concerns or suggestions, please do not hesitate to reach out to us.
Thank you for replying to the concerns raised in this video, although I feel you perhaps missed some, and are perhaps misleading people on others. Below are my replies to your points, and I'm sure others will be glad to give their opinions also. 1. My biggest issue with battery size relates to it not being much advantage over an adapter on a similar Ah battery from most brands, and the fact that to make a larger battery with current cell technology requires a much bigger battery that your adaptors are even less likely to handle which I will reply to in point 3. Everyday, without fail, people always leave comments about wanting high capcity, high output batteries. This battery will not keep regular tool users (and by that I mean people who use these things all day to make a living) happy. 2. It's a shame you didn't choose to make this out of tool grade plastic from the start, might have got more professional tool users on board as ABS just doesn't cut it for any power tools. 3. I DID NOT say that the small pin design was common in other adaptors, because it isn't. And referring back to what I said in reply #1 it will become even weaker with any larger, future batteries. 4. It doesn't contradict what I said about the pin at all. The fact that release button is awkward and hard to push in and the adaptors are tight to slide on is another matter. Some adaptors flex enough that the pin isn't even in contact with your battery making it close to useless. The friction of the extraordinarily thin ABS rail system you have designed are basically what is keeping your adaptors in place. 5. I know that charging via USB is a big positive for some users but it is a massive failure point in any work site beyond an impact free, dust free environment. More on this feature below. 6. That's good to hear. 7. Yes it all depends on the charging device, and I feel many people will not grasp this well. Many, outside of those that are tech geeks or work with computers will know that different charging leads are needed for high USB-C Power Delivery and also a good laptop or external charger that many buying your product simply won't have. Not that 45W is a fast USB-C PD speed anyway and ensures it will always be slow charging. You seem to be unaware that good tool manufacturer chargers go up to 18A and most regular tool users need fast turn around from their battery chargers. 2A/4A/6A output chargers are VERY slow by todays standards. 8. But your yellow clip does nothing. Other people you have sent your product to have made out as if your adaptors have protection elements in them and this is simply not true. I wanted to make sure people were aware of that as I have opened all the adaptors I have and they all have the same make up on the inside, and none have any added protection. 9. This takes me back to my points about the thin rails, small retention pin, and overall size of the finished product. And also, perhaps the biggest weakness of your battery, IT CANT HANDLE ANY HIGH LOAD. Having to reset the battery with a USB after EVERY tool stall, would lead many professional users to send it hurtling for the bin. Time is money and tools are meant to make your life easier, not aggravate you. Your battery handicaps most tools above the size of a drill or impact driver, which unfortunately is all I have seen other people use it for so far. Mark my words, when this goes to market, people will be sending them back in their droves because of this feature. 10. This is a moot point. Modern batteries from professional tool manufacturers do not rely on a tool to tell them they are overloaded and over heating. They will cut out by themselves. Your battery is not special in this regard. They may have an advantage of not running flat like an external adaptor can cause to a professional battery, although this was not your point. In addition could you please answer me this; 1. Why have you crossed out information from the cells you have used? The cells also don't seem to perform as well as they should if the cells are in-fact what they are purported to be. 2. The cells are not isolated in your batteries from the PCB like all other brands leading any heat from the cells to be released directly on to the underside of the PCB, yikes. 3. The contacts are permanently exposed due to the battery and adaptor interface design which is a massive weak point I'm not sure if I bought up or not. With a regular tool and battery system these are hidden when the battery is on the tool but yours are exposed, so open to contact from moisture and dust ingress. It seems to me as if this battery could easily short when exposed to even light rain. Although one of your 4 contacts does nothing in any of the adaptors I have. 4. Copyright. Can you guarantee that your products are not infringing copyright, and therefore run NO RISK of being pursued for infringement by any of the companies you have adaptors for, and therefore meaning you will be able to fulfil any warranty commitments, which for those reading are what? Without rewatching my video or getting out of bed and going to take another look at your battery, these are my current concerns. I'm sure others will leave there likes or dislikes about your system as reply to this message. Once again, thank you for taking the time to reply and in taking interest in bettering your product. I'm sure there will be further communication between us. Also I will just let those reading know that prior to CEENR leaving this message here on YT they did contact me via email to ask if I could offer improvements to their system after viewing this video. Thanks all, Tools.
Hi ceenr, thank you for your reply. I am a builder in Australia and a backer via Indiegogo. I purchased multiple batteries via your link after watching torque test channel on TH-cam. I had hoped it would be a suitable replacement to my multiple 18v platforms that I own as I am always frustrated that I don't have the right charged battery when one goes flat. I did email you asking about options for changing out some of the adaptors that do not sell tools in Australia but I was disappointed not to get a reply. After watching this review by tools I am worried that my hundreds of dollars investment has been a scam for a poorly made toy battery. As a professional user my biggest concerns are 1. the battery cutting out and needing to be returned to the charger ( absolute deal breaker) 2. Not tool grade plastic, can deal with this as a kick starter concept and hopefully the adaptor would survive and be used on improved future batteries. 3. not being able to charge battery in the future if the exposed usb-c port is clogged. Perhaps a plug in protection cover or redesign so the adaptors slide over the charging port to protect them. Overall I hope I actually get something for my backing money and that you use this feedback process and healthy cash injection to make a great product and not just give up, send out a crap product and roll up the project. I guess we will see what August (expected shipping date) and the coming years bring. Thanks, Phil
I appreciate the response from a company, however it confirms that you don't understand the basics of real world tool usage, and lacking the will (or even a possibility) to change the absolute deal-breakers of this design.
You received considered criticism from an experienced trade tool user and you decided the appropriate response was marketing fluff excusing the failings he accurately described. Thanks for helping to cement my decision not to buy from you. ‘We know best’. No, clearly you don’t.
Also, When I checked your Indiegogo page a few days back it said 4 days left. I have just checked again and seen that it has been reset to add another 30 days.
I'm not an engineer, but I know that the rounded corners on batteries are not just for looks. When dropped, the sharp corners are more likely to break. A rounded corner doesn't take all the force in one small spot like the sharp would. Some companies add a rubber coating for additional protection.
100%.. That was the first thing I red flagged myself, then the size for 4a.. then the usb charging... This would be fine for probably home use, but definately not robust enough for site us, absolutely not..
I’m glad to see someone being honest about these batteries and not just be “you need to get these they are a great solution!” No one that I’ve seen that praises them shows them really in work. Just like I avoid the knock off batteries I stick to the official ones because know they are genuine and have a proper warranty to back them up if anything goes wrong.
Your summary at the end just about sums it up for me. With the increasing number of cheap adapters available, you can still keep to one battery platform but use other brand tools. That alone makes this obsolete.
The solution to that stalling issue is simple, just wear a backpack with a laptop in it and leave the battery connected via a USB-C cable all the time!
I applaud your candid honest review on this system. I do admire the attempt by PD nation but what you said is roughly my instinctual thoughts on it. Great video I am going to share this on my channel.
Well that’s a great real reason to advertise as honest professional review as too many utubers are literally telling you lies about this platform because they pay you to lie. As honesty on an item is far better telling the truth than telling lies and take the money for telling bullshit. 💯 on this review
Thanks for the honest take on this battery. I am a remodeler and was interested in buying this to replace a couple very old NiCad Dewalt 24V batteries DW0242 but not now. Its nice to find an honest channel that has reviewed these. Got a sub outta me.
If I was to buy a one fits all type battery I would never buy onr from a company known for making cheap counterfits. If this type of system ever becomes the norm it needs to be a officially supported thing like the Bosch ampshare.
I have genuine Makita 18v 3ah from around 2008 and still running today... andni am a tradie, so they've been used. Hard to go non genuine. I do have over 25 makita batteries... only had problems with the 6ah, no good and the cheap ebay ones no good lol
My LXT batteries ran for around 10 years before they all started to fail. That was with daily use. I’m now on the XGT platform and if I can get the same use out of them I’ll be happy. I paid about £140 for the 4Ah so for that kind of money I’m hoping they last long.
@@i_know_youre_right_but Ehh, I prefer selling used batteries after 3-5 years (depends on warranty) for 75%~ of purchase price. After 3-5 years, capacity already drops 20%+. But I only use 5-6 batteries and buy them when they are $10/ah for 18v and $20/ah for 36v/40v.
Milwaukee just made a telescopic pruner that can cut up to 44mm. I pretty keen on getting it. But will have to get a converter…. makita battery converter to run on Milwaukee
As a builder for over 40 years I think they are great. The thought and effort gone into these is second to none. Well you did say no builder would rate them. Seriously what are they thinking. Why would you even take this crap to market. If the thing didn't break the first day, it would quickly get flying lessons. Not really even good enough for DIY. It just doesn't work.
If you use the cheap battery adapters, remember, they don't have protection in them. All they do is supply the power like if you put wires from your positive & negative on battery to positive & negative on the tool. You take a chance on running your battery too low which can ruin a lithium pack.
If a tech bro from a startup made the compatible battery platform he thought tradies would use, this would be the end result. Thanks for an insightful video. I am disappointed to see at least one other channel being very supportive of this platform despite the fact that they should have known better. Much better. They fix power tools for a living.
That reviewer also calls Makita tools with model numbers he hasn't heard of fakes, thinks Mellif tools are high quality (even though they are Makita knockoffs. And yesterday I had to set him straight on DeWalt mitre saws that had a weird problem all of a sudden... dude, that model was recalled 2 years ago... shouldn't a tool repairer know that???
TBH this is one of the best ways of putting it. It's pretty typical "startup" kind of thing, and something you def. expect to see on Indiegogo, etc. They clearly have a long ways to go if they *really* want to compete with what the tool companies already provide, and what generic aftermarket adapters already do. However I suspect like most startups they'll never get there and end up closing up shop and fading into obscurity within a few years. The idea, the "on paper", etc., all sounds great but it's poor execution and would also need to be exceedingly cheap to compete given all the deals out there for 1st party stuff (in the US at least); and then how cheap aftermarket/knock-off stuff is already. The use of only 21700s and good cells out the gate are positive points, but certainly not enough to keep them afloat IMO. Only time will tell but personally I don't expect it to last long.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL OK, I'm kinda shocked that you appear to know whom I speak of given I've given you very little to go on. I bring this up as I find the guy to provide what AvE stopped - BOLTRs but via repair. While one swallow doesn't make a summer, I'm still kinda reeling from what appears to be lack of thought or a plug for CEENR from the guy given how legit he appears!
@CrookedSkew It was pretty easy to work out considering there had only been 3 reviews of this product on YT prior to this one. And only 1 of them repairs tools for a living.😉 And he actually plugs cheap junk a lot from what people tell me...
15:12 I build 13 houses all day and all night, 8 days a week, uphill, both ways. This battery is awesome and I'm selling all my other batteries and switching over to this.
Dammit! I slept early and you stole my idea. Actually I was seriously considering buying this set, so I could get rid of the all the effing extra batteries and chargers I keep around to test repaired tools with. But no good if I can’t use it under load, cos load testing is the most important part of any repair.
@default9740 I think best option is to use AEG batteries with an adapter. I'm pretty sure AEG have stand-alone cutoff, so they function the same as the CEENR. You could also use Makita LXT 5 & 6Ah, but then you're limited to small batteries.
Usually bulkier. (Especially ryobi adapters) Depending on the price, CEENR might be more cost efficient. Also may have better build quality. For me, Hikoki/Metabo HPT adapters cost $40-$60 (from ebay). Could get CEENR adapter(s) + battery for that price. More competition is always better, so it's kinda odd to be dismissive of something that might not be for you, but puts pressure on other manufacturers to do better.
Better quality? Horseshit quality. Adapters for tools I see are much cheaper than this Ceenr junk. I'm not saying other adapters are good quality, but they aren't any worse than this rubbish. Also I think you need to check the price of these Ceenr batteries, they are not as cheap as you think. And if they ever make a 2 row battery, the Ceenr will be MUCH bigger.
I didn't even get past the sharp corners before deciding I hated this idea. I'm happy with my Makita batts, an adapter for two fairly unique Ryobi tools and a Bosch adapter for a vac that permanently lives on there and I don't even notice.
Cheers for the honest opinion. These bloody things are everywhere and with the internet and every couple and their dog wanting to be an influencer i find myself back more and more on obscure forums like this is 2003 again
Ok so lets see what do we have here... Abs casing with sharp corners and extra set of contacts for increased resistance Over engineered but poorly engineered electronics (low charging speed even though usb-c supports up to 240w, needs plugging after stall, too high of an internal resistance on cut-off mosfets etc), they use fine cells but can extract their max power due to all that extra resistance, high price... Etc etc
T&S sent me board shots. They're using 4x AON6358. 2.6mOhm @ 125C, so around 0.6mOhm for the 4 in parallel. Shunts are 2p @ 5mOhm = 2.5mOhm. Still a long way to go to get to the 27mOhm I calculated. They do have long traces, and then thinish wires on the adapter plates. I think they might be using recycled or fake molicels. Need someone to do some proper load tests on them whilst measuring voltages across cells, mosfets, contacts, etc. to see where the power loss is.
@@toolscientist yeah someone would have to measure the drop directly on the cell terminals, but I wouldn't be surprised if al the extra stuff you mentioned adds up.
@@toolscientist yeah i once stumbled across a forum for testing and comparing between official cells, sorry cant remember the name of it now. but should be easy to find online. but in my opinion it's simply never worth it to trust any chinese pre-assembled battery packs in the 1st place. and whether it's for a power tool or an e-bike just simply cannot trust what the cells are. when they are not passing official qualification and certification. it *is* possible to get cells *yourself* from a reputable genuine supplier to be assured they are the real deal. and then to assemble battery packs *yourself* and only to high standards. but otherwise stick to the official and certified packs. the time it gets murkey is with the kits, or to replace cells inside of an existing used up genuine battery pack... once the old cells are done. but then the bms pcb will probably have to be from china so that is not necessarily so trustworthy. in terms of charging and balancing circuit, and any mosfets on it and so on. because the original makita bms pcb cannot be re-used over again 2nd time with the new cells... right? also to be clear: since the milwukee royalties patent expired recently, the prices of buying battery packs has come down now (at least here in uk, mmmm wonder why). to be affordable for the genuine makita 18v batteries. however the pricing on makita 40v platform batteries remains sky high, to a prohibitive level(s) that i cannot affort to buy any makita 40v tools. but at least i can get the 18v lxt ones. and be using genuine makita batteries on them (with the full genuine 6ah being cheap enough)
@dreamcat4 and these are review samples where they know they'll be taken apart and broadcast. Who knows what they'll put in production. My thinking is don't buy high powered batteries unless you can warranty them in person and the company is big enough to handle a class action lawsuit if their batteries catch fire. These alphabet-soup companies will just fold and relaunch under a different name at the first sign of trouble.
@@toolscientistThey claim to have contracts with Samsung and Sony as well iirc, though conveniently all the review packs seems to have molicels. Since they havent given any more details on the cells it sounds like they'll slap the cheapest cells into the actual production unit.
I hope it is just a beginning and it will be improved. You have a standardized connectors for all your power tools in your home and workshops and you are free to combine any tools from any brand. I would be happy to see the same for battery tools. Like it already happened for mobile phones chargers. It is so obvious need...
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL 10, 18, 36, 48, 72. It's just the number of packs inside. I've been in rc hobby long before cordless tools started and there have been no problems like this. Use any battery with any model with any charger. Connectors might be different, but just resolder or use double side connector. No problems, no dramas. There is less than zero problem in making a standard connector for all power tools, but that would block the manufacturers from ripping off customers.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL I agree that it may be not easy. But at least 12V and 18V are common - 3 and 5 (or 10) cells correspondingly. And to achieve something, you need to start somewhere. Another thing is that brands are not interested in this...
At least in the Netherlands you can get free Makita batteries on promos regularly. It would be great if there would be some universal battery platform. But it is what it is.
Thank you tools, finally the truth. Every other guy just praises this CEENR stuff. Here is my take: the only good thing i see with this battery is when CEENR is fast enough dropping a 8ah or bigger 18V battery faster than Makita does, then this battery might be perfect for the LXT lawnmowers (if they retain the physical size). But then you still have the charging problem. Correct me if im wrong, but I think no other youtuber pointed out that you cant charge these on the Makita charger. And if they not getting sued into oblivion.
@@stanavagiannis2381 Wrote the comment before the video was over lol. I correct myself and say if they reengineer their battery entirely and still release a 8ah 18v faster than Makita.
This is what I love about TH-cam, there will always be sharks out there trying to cut corners and make a quick buck but with TH-cam channels like this all the bs can be cut through and the truth found, iv watched tools and stuff for years and its pretty obvious mr tools knows allot and i mean allot about powertools and gives the most honest reviews for real trade folks, yes he reviews tons of makita but if makita has put out a substandard tool or part of a tool he will can them out on it, this is what folks out there need when picking tools, totally honest and unbiased opinions from folks who know what there talking about!!! Bravo!! ( oh and I won’t be getting these sketchy battery’s and adhaptors any time soon!!) cheers tools 🤟🤟
You were biased against this battery from the start. That's ok, most are biased towards it, including myself. "It's a battery for cheapskates who don't care about copyright infringement". "Yeah, we should care about the poor old billion dollar corporations' patents being infringed. The same patents that now last way longer than they should and essentially act as indefinite anti-competition tools. So the company made knockoffs? Sounds like that turned you off them. For me, I said "great!" Lol. Means that they have some track record in the space. Most of your criticisms were valid, but some just came off as nitpicking and hating on a 1st generation innovative product. So the button to detach the top is a bit deep set? Whatever. The battery is a bit big? Who really expects a universal product to be as compact as the dedicated original? Overall this was a very good, thorough review. The battery cutting off and needing to be plugged in is indeed a deal breaker. I for one hope that they can iterate on this and win, or that it at least spurs on other companies to attempt similar universal batteries. Screw these tool companies and their stinking battery patents.
Did you try running it with the dewalt/ryobi adapter and the usb cable plugged into it to thus turning it into the convenience of a corded and therefore more useless.
5:40 Milwaukee battery patent expired November 2023, although they may have managed to extend it with follow up patents (I have no idea, patent system is a mess). Most of the patents for the mechanical interface of LXT, M18, etc should have expired, too. There's companies like Waitely and Meliff that have been doing knock off stuff for a while and they haven't been sued. There's a Chicago Air air compressor for sale at Sydney/Total tools for a few years now that uses battery adapters to be compatible with the major brands. Surely they would have been sued or Makita/Milwaukee/Dewalt would have told them not to sell that product if there was anything wrong with it.
Cheers, didn't realise it had lapsed. Milwaukee have been pretty protective of that one, and it's made them a lot of money so I'm sure they would still be trying to keep it going.
Lock companies do the same, they design a particular keyway shape, lodge it as a "registered design" or patent, and then they can prevent anyone from making key blanks for a number of years thus making it a "secure lock" because they control who can cut the keys. But when the patents/design expires, they don't bother trying to extend it because hey, it's a perfect opportunity to register another variation on the design and sell everyone brand new locks and keys!
Someone commented on this channel in reply to me funnily enough mentioning these Ceenr batteries. I took one quick look at their website and instantly thought, junk. I've had a few different knock off batteries over the years and they're all rubbish. The only ones that have been somewhat decent are Waitley, but even those aren't amazing. They do a job but don't replace the genuine article.
It looks like someone took a power bank and just added some slots for an adaptor, wired into the main board. They should refocus towards very occasional DIYers - perhaps add a Aldi Active Battery adaptor and a Lidl Parkside adaptor to the range. It would be good if a reputable and capable company would pick up this idea and, faced with competition, hopefully the main manufacturers will get together and agree a standard platform for all batteries and chargers.
This was the review I was looking for, not just the pure numbers, the battery is pretty useless. One should just get an adapter for an odd colored tool they have. For completness's sake I would assume that it would charge faster with a PD rated charger and cable, but that's worth nothing if the battery is crap itself.
I agree on pretty much all your points except when you said just buy a battery adapter.. Those are bad news also.. They are just contacts, no protection in them whatsoever, so If you use your dewalt battery to power somthing else then you could destroy your battery quicksmart as th dewalt batterys protection is in the tool..
I was both concerned and excited when you plugged that thin in inside on the bench. It was a let down as it didnt fire off its cells. Usb C? so an 18v battery that charges off 5v? Whats the charge time on that for a 4ah, 27 hours?
@AlexKall i know that, my laptop charger is a 100w 5-20v usbc thing, it will do my phone and laptop too. I trust the makita rapid charger much more, and it plays less then average music when its done too.
I find the idea pretty cool but a few things id say are a bit a turn off. 1. that they dont work with the normal batterie chargers even though its a 18V system. 2. As you said they are a quite soft material but the "Torque Test Channel" i thing it was did test them, even a drop test and i think they lived. 3. They turn of quite early, propably as a "safety feature" as the Torque Test Channel has stated, even though they use good Cells that could handle outputting more amperage. As you have shown when plugging it in it will self reset itself and you can use it again. AGAIN: THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A SAFETY FEATURE AND WILL BE FIXED AS TIME GOS ON. The fact that you can use it as a powerbank for loading your phone and stuff is awesome and they said the 4Ah Batteries will be about 45$ and the Adapters about 20$ makes them cheaper because you dont have to buy a adapter for every Batterie. They use really good Cells too so thats a big positive. I hope this whole System works out because it would be awesome, not only for DIYs, but also people who use the tools on a daily basis arent locked to one system anymore. Lets give them a Chance to fix all the little beginner problems, its a early stage in development anyway, so they propably will get better (or good).
What about the other brand specific batteries they have now? I have all DeWalt tools (That's just what I started with, I already have the batteries every time I buy a new tool, and the tools are good enough to do the job) so there's not much use for me to buy a bunch of adapters. I can just buy the brand specific batteries they have for about half the price of the switchable ones, so it's an even better deal, ASSUMING THEY'RE A DECENT PRODUCT but I can't seem to find a review yet. Also, having a couple batteries that have a USB charger is actually a benefit, when I don't want to drag around a brand specific battery charger when I already have multiple USB-C devices with me and a high speed car charger to charge them.
It's definitely a good idea, one battery for different brands. However a good idea doesn't always work out. Personally I've never bought or used knock off batteries in any of my tools for fear of fires. Year's ago I witnessed a job site burn down because someone had been using some fake dewilt batteries. Needless to say that cemented the idea to use genuine batteries for each brand of tool.
The only way something like this will work is if all brands sign on to a single platform, like the CAS. Consumers would love it..... Major mass market companies would hate it. But until and unless someone else even figures out how to make an AC adapter for their tools, I have to go with the Green brand. HiKoki/Metabo HPT
During a hard day's work you want the next battery to be ready when you're finished with the last one. I always liked my Makita DC18RD for that reason but charging a battery with USB is just unacceptable.
Because you end up with 5 different brands of batteries and charges. And also 12 and 18 ones. I would love to see 2 types of batteries: for 12V tools and for 18
Great vid. Never seriously considered these. I like the innovation, but tool companies will protect their brands and not allow stuff like this. Also this appears to be crap. So thanks for testing.
I think at this point about the only way I *might* consider use a "universal tool battery" would be if the battery manufacturer (any manufacturer) addressed the issues you've pointed out AND not only warrantied the battery, but covered (in a legally binding manner) the tools it would be used on -- similar to manufacturers of surge protectors providing coverage for electronics their products are supposed to protect. That's about the only way I think I'd use such a product as there are entirely too many lazy "engineers"/program managers/companies out there that entirely too willing to rush what ever turd of a product the good idea fairy dropped in their lap to market and then let the end user absorb the costs of testing and validating their product for them. Personally as someone that's not a professional using tools I dislike wasting my time fiddling with equipment/tools/batteries that just need to work when I have time to get things done.... especially since that time/money lost isn't something I'm getting (re)compensated for using/losing. So thanks for the honest review Tools.
As a hobbyist and self-professed cheapskate, I gave up on cheap tools when the frustration of using absolute crap kept getting the better of me - never mind the danger of the poor design and bad manufacture of such things. The idea of a universal battery is great, but if the execution keeps being poor and possibly even dangerous it just entrenches the original equipment model even further. That being said, having enough LXT batteries to power me through a Saturday of tool use that doesn't make me want to immediately break something and give up is money well spent.
As a shed builder, i have dropped makita batteries from over 6 metres high with impact driver straight on concrete,steel, rocks,and they love it really can't break Makita
Made for the home player with a bunch of different tool brands and 10 years on needs new batteries. One battery and assorted adapters. The only save would be a very good price for adapters and a 1/2 decent price for batteries.Yeah Naa better with after market.
Real tool companies are already way ahead on this already with thr AmpShare multi brand battery system, companies like Bosch & Fein are already selling this system & they are proper industrial grade batteries with nothing knockoff involved. I think there is about 50 brands on board already. Good to see an honest review of this garbage nonsense that seems more of a marketing scam than a real professional product.
Yes, I use Ampshare, but still, I need a cordless heat gun with temperature control and there is none. I need a portable washer - nope. I need a mini cut off tool like dewalt (Bosch is way weaker) -nope. Ratchet - no. Mini Blower - no. So, I still need Bosch, Makita, DeWalt, Milwakee and Hikoki batteries to suit my needs. Crazy!
I can just see the newbie on the job site showing up talking game about this for an hour, borrowing his foremans 450$ DeWalt 20v Max drill, having to deal with resetting his battery 5 times, gets frustrated and sets it down walking away to get a DeWalt battery, as the thing catches on fire from drawing too much through the cheap clip on adapter and he gets to spend his first paycheck paying off his bosses loss.
dude, for the yellow cell balancing block on the adapter... i can save you some time to simply tell you that they are using a pre-existing (pre-made) production run of cheap chinese clone bms pcbs... which are already been used and found in the fake "made for makita" chinese clone non-makita batteries. so for the sake of production costs etc, it would have been cheaper and easier for those guys to buy a whole job lot bunch of pre-existing batch of those un-popilated pcbs as a part. from a chinese wholesales. then to simply adapt it to their own unique purpose, without adding extra costs to actually bother populating the pcb itsef... because the value is to not have to re-invent the wheel (already manufactured). for the sake of really dirt cheap contacts etc. this then allowed them to cut costs on that part of the design. that particular subsystem. also noteworthy: that the abs plastic shell... well those cheap 'made for makita' clone batteries also uses inferior abs plastic shells too. all of them as far as i am aware... i have not found myself personally any clone batteries out there which is made with proper stronger plastics like you say: to be polycarbonate, or the ones containing glass beads embedded. it is just a plain homogenous abs... so... perhaps this is a chinese product then? hmm
Nice idea, poor execution. It works a lot better when manufacturers use a standardised battery as per Cordless Alliance System, Mafell, Lamello, Metabo , Prebena etc.
😂 what happens if you plug the usb c while using does it override the overload protection and we can watch you go for round 2 on exploding lithium cells
Your review started off negative from the beginning. I love the idea and some of the points you made i agree with but constructive criticism would be nice to hear. These companies charging us $200-$250 a battery is crazy. I think the company has good intentions they just havent got generation 1 of there product perfect but what company does? If they were out to rip people off there marketing would be a little different than what it is. I hope to see them or another company get a universal battery dialed in a little better because its really getting old paying these prices that keep going up for factory original batteries. Also ive had brand new factory original batteries fail awful quickly (makita, ryobi). Its got nothing to do with being a cheap skate its about finding a good product at a affordable price.
i bought a $37 drincosh 24v leaf blower kit and the 4ah battery has a barrel charger but does work better than this i hate tools made to be put in landfills, that company is shit
After buying 3rd party batteries for my Nikon camera and seeing how much worse they were compared to the genuine even from a reputable manufacturer and claims of higher output, I don't buy knock-offs anymore. If I can't afford another battery, I'll just wait until I can. And these aren't even cheaper.
These aren't really made for tradespeople. They're made for DIY'ers who can't or won't invest in multiple battery platforms and therefore need a battery that can fit tools from multiple brands. Most of my tools are Makita, both 18V and 40V, but my nailers are Hitachi/ Hikoki and I've also got Metabo tools. This means multiple sets of batteries and multiple chargers. But I'd rather invest in that than a jack of all trades system. A system that probably doesn't work with the electronics most brands have built into their tools and chargers, meaning an increased risk of tools or batteries breaking. I get the idea behind this system, but it's not worth investing in if you use your tools professionally.
I can see a limited use for it. But I prefer to just take apart cheap 18V tools and solder some 10AWG cables to it, and run it to a makita 18V battery in a holder. I get to use my nice batteries, and the cheap tools often are a single use/limited purpose device so having an adapted battery isn't a problem.
I can't even use a knock off battery on my powertool i don't like that at all , i prefer a genuine battery how get me years of work , sometime discharged charge my pack 4-5 time on a day
Minor nitpick - at 8:10 you say the cells won't be balanced via the USB charge port, because the yellow connector on the Makita adapter isn't connected to anything. But the board inside could still balance the cells - just look at the Makita XGT. There's no external cell balancing connector on those (just some logic signals and a bidirectional data port) and it still balances the cells, it just does it internally with the battery's built in microcontroller. That's not to say these CEENR packs DO balance the cells, just that charging via USB doesn't rule it out.
ofc they do get balanced via internal BMS, he just pointed out that the yellow connector it useless because it is not balancing the cells and it also doesn't connect to the tool, it is just there for looks.
I think it's a fine idea, but the implementation is horrendous. The only use I'd have for it is low draw tools that aren't used often. Maybe nailers? At any rate, with Li-ion batteries, I don't use anything not produced by a big reputable company with a presence outside of China for the one reason you put out: fires. Saving a few bucks on batteries is no good if it doesn't load balance the cells and it burns down your fuckin house. Talk about short sighted. Good luck suing a Chinese company which will close up shop in six weeks and sell the same stuff under a new unpronounceable name.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL yes, that made me rethink the idea of these batteries. I wanted to order one, and discovered that they are like 2-3 times more expensive than genuine ones.
These replacement batteries should only be used for drills, screwdrivers, lights or some tools with medium discharge current, if you install it for grinders, cutters...it can overload, voltage deviation of the battery or damage the charging circuit board and damage it. Even if you use different battery adapters for different types of machines, you should stop immediately when there is 1 light bar left on the battery. Makita seems to be harder to die but I have had 2 incidents with Milwaukee and Dewalt, especially Milwaukee. I changed the circuit and it still works but not everyone knows how to do it.
It was a major BS patent, but they somehow made it stick. Sued and settled with Makita and Hitachi and I think Bosch. Snap-on took them to court and lost. Everyone's being paying royalties to Milwaukee for over 10 years, but patent expired November 2023, so hopefully that's all over now. Putting more powerful cells in a power tool battery is the most obvious thing in the power tool world, and obviousness usually makes patents invalid. I would have loved if some other company patented 21700s or tabless cells in power tool batteries and made it free for everyone except Milwaukee.
@@toolscientist unbelieveable？！？ but then again why wld they be content with collecting royalties instead of being able to reign supreme in cordless tools had they been the only one using lithium cells?
@@delvingoh8309 maybe some sort of anti-trust issues. The patent was granted around 2008, but I don't think they started enforcing it until the 2010s. By that time most lithium systems were established and there would have been massive consumer and regulatory backlash if all those systems had to be pulled from the market.
Even my phone in my pocket at site the usbc gets filled of shit imagine this piece of shit ... Even milwakee batteries are trash and start to fall apart ... Only trouble with those makita batteries on the 18v platform is the no battery gauge .. i dunno if they have some new ones now but this was frustrating
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL I'm in Auckland as well any idea where I can pick up a hikoki nail gun hook mine just randomly snapped off the other day nothing worse then lugging that beast of burden around all day with no hook
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL Thanks for making me feel old mate. The oldest Makita batteries I have are 3AH batteries that were made back in 2014 (no fuel gauge) according to the date code. And they still work! The oldest with fuel gauges I have were made in 2016. On the bright side I switched from Dewalt to Makita back then because I spent a fortune every 3 years (like clockwork) replacing my Dewalt NiCad batteries (12V, 14,4V and 18V). I bought alot of my Makita LXT tools since they were heavily discounted back then. Still going strong. Keeping you and your family in my daily prayers.
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Thank you for your detailed feedback on our PDnation battery system. We truly value your input and appreciate the opportunity to address your concerns and clarify some points.
1.Battery Size:
We understand that the battery may seem a bit bigger compared to a standard 4.0Ah battery. This design choice ensures compatibility with a wide range of tool brands. Despite the slightly larger size, the weight remains comparable to regular batteries, ensuring that your user experience is not compromised.
2.Material Durability:
Our batteries are made from ABS material to keep them lightweight. For professional users who require higher durability, we are considering using more robust materials in future versions.
3.Adapter Design:
You mentioned concerns about the adapter being held in place with a small pin and the potential for it to snap off under impact. As you also noted in your video at 15:41, this design is common in other adapters, demonstrating that this solution is generally accepted. If this design works well in regular adapters, it should also be reliable in our products.
4.Ease of Installation and Removal:
While you pointed out that getting the battery on and off can be challenging due to the tight fit and a button that doesn’t protrude much, this actually ensures that the battery will not easily slide out during use. This contradicts the concern about the tiny pin not holding the adapter securely, highlighting the robustness of our design.
5.USB Charging Method:
While our adapter does not support charging with the original charger, USB charging offers greater convenience for many customers. This design aims to diversify and simplify charging options, saving customers from purchasing additional chargers.
6.Dust Cap Flap:
We acknowledge that the dust cap flap can fall off quickly. Our R&D team is already working on improving the mold to address this issue.
7.Charging Speed:
Charging speed depends on the maximum output of your charging device. For faster charging, a 45W charger is recommended, similar to choosing a 2A/4A/6A charger to improve charging speed.
8.Adapter Appearance:
The yellow clip in the Makita battery is designed to balance the cells during charging. In our adapter, the yellow clip serves both for brand recognition and to enhance the overall aesthetic design.
9.High-Power Tool Performance:
We will introduce higher capacity options to ensure stable performance under high loads. We will also intensify product testing to guarantee reliability in various usage scenarios.
10.PCB Design:
Our current PCB design is shared with replacement batteries, which does not affect the adapter's functionality. Additionally, adding a "converting adapter" to a two-part system designed to communicate can sometimes disrupt safety features. However, our PDnation battery packs come with a built-in safety system that doesn't require communication with the tools. This ensures maximum user safety, even if the tool's safety features fail.
Once again, thank you for your feedback. We are committed to improving our products and providing you with the best possible user experience. If you have any further concerns or suggestions, please do not hesitate to reach out to us.
Thank you for replying to the concerns raised in this video, although I feel you perhaps missed some, and are perhaps misleading people on others. Below are my replies to your points, and I'm sure others will be glad to give their opinions also.
1. My biggest issue with battery size relates to it not being much advantage over an adapter on a similar Ah battery from most brands, and the fact that to make a larger battery with current cell technology requires a much bigger battery that your adaptors are even less likely to handle which I will reply to in point 3. Everyday, without fail, people always leave comments about wanting high capcity, high output batteries. This battery will not keep regular tool users (and by that I mean people who use these things all day to make a living) happy.
2. It's a shame you didn't choose to make this out of tool grade plastic from the start, might have got more professional tool users on board as ABS just doesn't cut it for any power tools.
3. I DID NOT say that the small pin design was common in other adaptors, because it isn't. And referring back to what I said in reply #1 it will become even weaker with any larger, future batteries.
4. It doesn't contradict what I said about the pin at all. The fact that release button is awkward and hard to push in and the adaptors are tight to slide on is another matter. Some adaptors flex enough that the pin isn't even in contact with your battery making it close to useless. The friction of the extraordinarily thin ABS rail system you have designed are basically what is keeping your adaptors in place.
5. I know that charging via USB is a big positive for some users but it is a massive failure point in any work site beyond an impact free, dust free environment. More on this feature below.
6. That's good to hear.
7. Yes it all depends on the charging device, and I feel many people will not grasp this well. Many, outside of those that are tech geeks or work with computers will know that different charging leads are needed for high USB-C Power Delivery and also a good laptop or external charger that many buying your product simply won't have. Not that 45W is a fast USB-C PD speed anyway and ensures it will always be slow charging. You seem to be unaware that good tool manufacturer chargers go up to 18A and most regular tool users need fast turn around from their battery chargers. 2A/4A/6A output chargers are VERY slow by todays standards.
8. But your yellow clip does nothing. Other people you have sent your product to have made out as if your adaptors have protection elements in them and this is simply not true. I wanted to make sure people were aware of that as I have opened all the adaptors I have and they all have the same make up on the inside, and none have any added protection.
9. This takes me back to my points about the thin rails, small retention pin, and overall size of the finished product.
And also, perhaps the biggest weakness of your battery, IT CANT HANDLE ANY HIGH LOAD. Having to reset the battery with a USB after EVERY tool stall, would lead many professional users to send it hurtling for the bin. Time is money and tools are meant to make your life easier, not aggravate you. Your battery handicaps most tools above the size of a drill or impact driver, which unfortunately is all I have seen other people use it for so far. Mark my words, when this goes to market, people will be sending them back in their droves because of this feature.
10. This is a moot point. Modern batteries from professional tool manufacturers do not rely on a tool to tell them they are overloaded and over heating. They will cut out by themselves. Your battery is not special in this regard. They may have an advantage of not running flat like an external adaptor can cause to a professional battery, although this was not your point.
In addition could you please answer me this;
1. Why have you crossed out information from the cells you have used? The cells also don't seem to perform as well as they should if the cells are in-fact what they are purported to be.
2. The cells are not isolated in your batteries from the PCB like all other brands leading any heat from the cells to be released directly on to the underside of the PCB, yikes.
3. The contacts are permanently exposed due to the battery and adaptor interface design which is a massive weak point I'm not sure if I bought up or not. With a regular tool and battery system these are hidden when the battery is on the tool but yours are exposed, so open to contact from moisture and dust ingress. It seems to me as if this battery could easily short when exposed to even light rain. Although one of your 4 contacts does nothing in any of the adaptors I have.
4. Copyright. Can you guarantee that your products are not infringing copyright, and therefore run NO RISK of being pursued for infringement by any of the companies you have adaptors for, and therefore meaning you will be able to fulfil any warranty commitments, which for those reading are what?
Without rewatching my video or getting out of bed and going to take another look at your battery, these are my current concerns. I'm sure others will leave there likes or dislikes about your system as reply to this message. Once again, thank you for taking the time to reply and in taking interest in bettering your product. I'm sure there will be further communication between us.
Also I will just let those reading know that prior to CEENR leaving this message here on YT they did contact me via email to ask if I could offer improvements to their system after viewing this video.
Thanks all,
Tools.
Hi ceenr,
thank you for your reply. I am a builder in Australia and a backer via Indiegogo. I purchased multiple batteries via your link after watching torque test channel on TH-cam.
I had hoped it would be a suitable replacement to my multiple 18v platforms that I own as I am always frustrated that I don't have the right charged battery when one goes flat.
I did email you asking about options for changing out some of the adaptors that do not sell tools in Australia but I was disappointed not to get a reply.
After watching this review by tools I am worried that my hundreds of dollars investment has been a scam for a poorly made toy battery.
As a professional user my biggest concerns are
1. the battery cutting out and needing to be returned to the charger ( absolute deal breaker)
2. Not tool grade plastic, can deal with this as a kick starter concept and hopefully the adaptor would survive and be used on improved future batteries.
3. not being able to charge battery in the future if the exposed usb-c port is clogged. Perhaps a plug in protection cover or redesign so the adaptors slide over the charging port to protect them.
Overall I hope I actually get something for my backing money and that you use this feedback process and healthy cash injection to make a great product and not just give up, send out a crap product and roll up the project.
I guess we will see what August (expected shipping date) and the coming years bring.
Thanks, Phil
I appreciate the response from a company, however it confirms that you don't understand the basics of real world tool usage, and lacking the will (or even a possibility) to change the absolute deal-breakers of this design.
You received considered criticism from an experienced trade tool user and you decided the appropriate response was marketing fluff excusing the failings he accurately described.
Thanks for helping to cement my decision not to buy from you.
‘We know best’. No, clearly you don’t.
Also, When I checked your Indiegogo page a few days back it said 4 days left. I have just checked again and seen that it has been reset to add another 30 days.
I'm not an engineer, but I know that the rounded corners on batteries are not just for looks. When dropped, the sharp corners are more likely to break. A rounded corner doesn't take all the force in one small spot like the sharp would. Some companies add a rubber coating for additional protection.
100%.. That was the first thing I red flagged myself, then the size for 4a.. then the usb charging... This would be fine for probably home use, but definately not robust enough for site us, absolutely not..
I’m glad to see someone being honest about these batteries and not just be “you need to get these they are a great solution!” No one that I’ve seen that praises them shows them really in work. Just like I avoid the knock off batteries I stick to the official ones because know they are genuine and have a proper warranty to back them up if anything goes wrong.
Your summary at the end just about sums it up for me. With the increasing number of cheap adapters available, you can still keep to one battery platform but use other brand tools. That alone makes this obsolete.
The solution to that stalling issue is simple, just wear a backpack with a laptop in it and leave the battery connected via a USB-C cable all the time!
Yep, this new system sure is convenient!
So basically corded again, are you a caveman? Personally I just strapped my laptop to the battery and now I have a simple, portable solution.
Yours os the first review ive seen of these. Thanks for being brutally honest off the rip. Saved me a fair bit of time there. 👊
I applaud your candid honest review on this system. I do admire the attempt by PD nation but what you said is roughly my instinctual thoughts on it. Great video I am going to share this on my channel.
i could see wood working channels who use drills with 3mm bits and impacts till the first click giving these the thumbs up
Hahaha. On point.
Well that’s a great real reason to advertise as honest professional review as too many utubers are literally telling you lies about this platform because they pay you to lie. As honesty on an item is far better telling the truth than telling lies and take the money for telling bullshit. 💯 on this review
This is why I watch this channel. I was hoping you would review this honestly and I figured you would.
Thanks for the honest take on this battery. I am a remodeler and was interested in buying this to replace a couple very old NiCad Dewalt 24V batteries DW0242 but not now. Its nice to find an honest channel that has reviewed these. Got a sub outta me.
If I was to buy a one fits all type battery I would never buy onr from a company known for making cheap counterfits. If this type of system ever becomes the norm it needs to be a officially supported thing like the Bosch ampshare.
thank you finally one person honest about these stupid batteries i appreciate you being honest in your reviews
I have genuine Makita 18v 3ah from around 2008 and still running today... andni am a tradie, so they've been used.
Hard to go non genuine.
I do have over 25 makita batteries... only had problems with the 6ah, no good and the cheap ebay ones no good lol
My LXT batteries ran for around 10 years before they all started to fail. That was with daily use.
I’m now on the XGT platform and if I can get the same use out of them I’ll be happy. I paid about £140 for the 4Ah so for that kind of money I’m hoping they last long.
@@i_know_youre_right_but Ehh, I prefer selling used batteries after 3-5 years (depends on warranty) for 75%~ of purchase price. After 3-5 years, capacity already drops 20%+. But I only use 5-6 batteries and buy them when they are $10/ah for 18v and $20/ah for 36v/40v.
Rubbish !!!
Milwaukee just made a telescopic pruner that can cut up to 44mm. I pretty keen on getting it. But will have to get a converter…. makita battery converter to run on Milwaukee
As a builder for over 40 years I think they are great. The thought and effort gone into these is second to none. Well you did say no builder would rate them. Seriously what are they thinking. Why would you even take this crap to market. If the thing didn't break the first day, it would quickly get flying lessons. Not really even good enough for DIY. It just doesn't work.
When I started reading your comment...
If you use the cheap battery adapters, remember, they don't have protection in them. All they do is supply the power like if you put wires from your positive & negative on battery to positive & negative on the tool.
You take a chance on running your battery too low which can ruin a lithium pack.
Noooo, that makes too much sense! CEENR Bad!
The charging set up is embarrassing. I wanted these to be good but this is disappointing.
Also, much respect for the honest review.
If a tech bro from a startup made the compatible battery platform he thought tradies would use, this would be the end result.
Thanks for an insightful video. I am disappointed to see at least one other channel being very supportive of this platform despite the fact that they should have known better. Much better. They fix power tools for a living.
That reviewer also calls Makita tools with model numbers he hasn't heard of fakes, thinks Mellif tools are high quality (even though they are Makita knockoffs. And yesterday I had to set him straight on DeWalt mitre saws that had a weird problem all of a sudden... dude, that model was recalled 2 years ago... shouldn't a tool repairer know that???
Yes I know the one you speak of. Very disappointing
TBH this is one of the best ways of putting it. It's pretty typical "startup" kind of thing, and something you def. expect to see on Indiegogo, etc. They clearly have a long ways to go if they *really* want to compete with what the tool companies already provide, and what generic aftermarket adapters already do. However I suspect like most startups they'll never get there and end up closing up shop and fading into obscurity within a few years. The idea, the "on paper", etc., all sounds great but it's poor execution and would also need to be exceedingly cheap to compete given all the deals out there for 1st party stuff (in the US at least); and then how cheap aftermarket/knock-off stuff is already. The use of only 21700s and good cells out the gate are positive points, but certainly not enough to keep them afloat IMO. Only time will tell but personally I don't expect it to last long.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL OK, I'm kinda shocked that you appear to know whom I speak of given I've given you very little to go on. I bring this up as I find the guy to provide what AvE stopped - BOLTRs but via repair. While one swallow doesn't make a summer, I'm still kinda reeling from what appears to be lack of thought or a plug for CEENR from the guy given how legit he appears!
@CrookedSkew It was pretty easy to work out considering there had only been 3 reviews of this product on YT prior to this one. And only 1 of them repairs tools for a living.😉 And he actually plugs cheap junk a lot from what people tell me...
15:12 I build 13 houses all day and all night, 8 days a week, uphill, both ways. This battery is awesome and I'm selling all my other batteries and switching over to this.
There's always one 😄
Dammit! I slept early and you stole my idea.
Actually I was seriously considering buying this set, so I could get rid of the all the effing extra batteries and chargers I keep around to test repaired tools with.
But no good if I can’t use it under load, cos load testing is the most important part of any repair.
@default9740 I think best option is to use AEG batteries with an adapter. I'm pretty sure AEG have stand-alone cutoff, so they function the same as the CEENR. You could also use Makita LXT 5 & 6Ah, but then you're limited to small batteries.
You really didn’t sleep on swapping to this battery platform.
What is the point if i can just get an adapter from the toolbrand i already have?
Exactly.
I am on Makita platform and bought DeWalt shears and adapter , one of those tools Makita has crazy price.
Usually bulkier. (Especially ryobi adapters)
Depending on the price, CEENR might be more cost efficient. Also may have better build quality. For me, Hikoki/Metabo HPT adapters cost $40-$60 (from ebay). Could get CEENR adapter(s) + battery for that price.
More competition is always better, so it's kinda odd to be dismissive of something that might not be for you, but puts pressure on other manufacturers to do better.
Better quality? Horseshit quality. Adapters for tools I see are much cheaper than this Ceenr junk. I'm not saying other adapters are good quality, but they aren't any worse than this rubbish. Also I think you need to check the price of these Ceenr batteries, they are not as cheap as you think. And if they ever make a 2 row battery, the Ceenr will be MUCH bigger.
I didn't even get past the sharp corners before deciding I hated this idea. I'm happy with my Makita batts, an adapter for two fairly unique Ryobi tools and a Bosch adapter for a vac that permanently lives on there and I don't even notice.
Cheers for the honest opinion. These bloody things are everywhere and with the internet and every couple and their dog wanting to be an influencer i find myself back more and more on obscure forums like this is 2003 again
great honest video . . . . . . Again from my fave tool TH-camr , thanks 👍
Thanks 👍
Ok so lets see what do we have here...
Abs casing with sharp corners and extra set of contacts for increased resistance
Over engineered but poorly engineered electronics (low charging speed even though usb-c supports up to 240w, needs plugging after stall, too high of an internal resistance on cut-off mosfets etc), they use fine cells but can extract their max power due to all that extra resistance, high price... Etc etc
T&S sent me board shots. They're using 4x AON6358. 2.6mOhm @ 125C, so around 0.6mOhm for the 4 in parallel. Shunts are 2p @ 5mOhm = 2.5mOhm. Still a long way to go to get to the 27mOhm I calculated. They do have long traces, and then thinish wires on the adapter plates. I think they might be using recycled or fake molicels. Need someone to do some proper load tests on them whilst measuring voltages across cells, mosfets, contacts, etc. to see where the power loss is.
@@toolscientist yeah someone would have to measure the drop directly on the cell terminals, but I wouldn't be surprised if al the extra stuff you mentioned adds up.
@@toolscientist yeah i once stumbled across a forum for testing and comparing between official cells, sorry cant remember the name of it now. but should be easy to find online.
but in my opinion it's simply never worth it to trust any chinese pre-assembled battery packs in the 1st place. and whether it's for a power tool or an e-bike just simply cannot trust what the cells are. when they are not passing official qualification and certification.
it *is* possible to get cells *yourself* from a reputable genuine supplier to be assured they are the real deal. and then to assemble battery packs *yourself* and only to high standards. but otherwise stick to the official and certified packs.
the time it gets murkey is with the kits, or to replace cells inside of an existing used up genuine battery pack... once the old cells are done. but then the bms pcb will probably have to be from china so that is not necessarily so trustworthy. in terms of charging and balancing circuit, and any mosfets on it and so on. because the original makita bms pcb cannot be re-used over again 2nd time with the new cells... right?
also to be clear: since the milwukee royalties patent expired recently, the prices of buying battery packs has come down now (at least here in uk, mmmm wonder why). to be affordable for the genuine makita 18v batteries. however the pricing on makita 40v platform batteries remains sky high, to a prohibitive level(s) that i cannot affort to buy any makita 40v tools. but at least i can get the 18v lxt ones. and be using genuine makita batteries on them (with the full genuine 6ah being cheap enough)
@dreamcat4 and these are review samples where they know they'll be taken apart and broadcast. Who knows what they'll put in production.
My thinking is don't buy high powered batteries unless you can warranty them in person and the company is big enough to handle a class action lawsuit if their batteries catch fire. These alphabet-soup companies will just fold and relaunch under a different name at the first sign of trouble.
@@toolscientistThey claim to have contracts with Samsung and Sony as well iirc, though conveniently all the review packs seems to have molicels. Since they havent given any more details on the cells it sounds like they'll slap the cheapest cells into the actual production unit.
I hope it is just a beginning and it will be improved. You have a standardized connectors for all your power tools in your home and workshops and you are free to combine any tools from any brand. I would be happy to see the same for battery tools. Like it already happened for mobile phones chargers. It is so obvious need...
It's a lot more complicated than phone chargers. There are at least 8 different common battery voltages for tools.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL 10, 18, 36, 48, 72. It's just the number of packs inside. I've been in rc hobby long before cordless tools started and there have been no problems like this. Use any battery with any model with any charger. Connectors might be different, but just resolder or use double side connector. No problems, no dramas. There is less than zero problem in making a standard connector for all power tools, but that would block the manufacturers from ripping off customers.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL I agree that it may be not easy. But at least 12V and 18V are common - 3 and 5 (or 10) cells correspondingly. And to achieve something, you need to start somewhere. Another thing is that brands are not interested in this...
@non7top Impressive that you've been racing RC cars for more than 45 years.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL I'm glad it's the only thing that bothers you
At least in the Netherlands you can get free Makita batteries on promos regularly. It would be great if there would be some universal battery platform. But it is what it is.
Thank you tools, finally the truth. Every other guy just praises this CEENR stuff.
Here is my take: the only good thing i see with this battery is when CEENR is fast enough dropping a 8ah or bigger 18V battery faster than Makita does, then this battery might be perfect for the LXT lawnmowers (if they retain the physical size). But then you still have the charging problem.
Correct me if im wrong, but I think no other youtuber pointed out that you cant charge these on the Makita charger.
And if they not getting sued into oblivion.
if a 4ah battery failed with a circular saw what makes you thing an 8ah battery in a mower will be ok?
@@stanavagiannis2381 Wrote the comment before the video was over lol.
I correct myself and say if they reengineer their battery entirely and still release a 8ah 18v faster than Makita.
This is what I love about TH-cam, there will always be sharks out there trying to cut corners and make a quick buck but with TH-cam channels like this all the bs can be cut through and the truth found, iv watched tools and stuff for years and its pretty obvious mr tools knows allot and i mean allot about powertools and gives the most honest reviews for real trade folks, yes he reviews tons of makita but if makita has put out a substandard tool or part of a tool he will can them out on it, this is what folks out there need when picking tools, totally honest and unbiased opinions from folks who know what there talking about!!! Bravo!! ( oh and I won’t be getting these sketchy battery’s and adhaptors any time soon!!) cheers tools 🤟🤟
Cheers dude.
You were biased against this battery from the start. That's ok, most are biased towards it, including myself.
"It's a battery for cheapskates who don't care about copyright infringement".
"Yeah, we should care about the poor old billion dollar corporations' patents being infringed. The same patents that now last way longer than they should and essentially act as indefinite anti-competition tools.
So the company made knockoffs? Sounds like that turned you off them. For me, I said "great!" Lol. Means that they have some track record in the space.
Most of your criticisms were valid, but some just came off as nitpicking and hating on a 1st generation innovative product. So the button to detach the top is a bit deep set? Whatever. The battery is a bit big? Who really expects a universal product to be as compact as the dedicated original?
Overall this was a very good, thorough review. The battery cutting off and needing to be plugged in is indeed a deal breaker.
I for one hope that they can iterate on this and win, or that it at least spurs on other companies to attempt similar universal batteries. Screw these tool companies and their stinking battery patents.
Great video! I can’t even get namebrand to keep up with the abuse I put them through. Absolute trash. 😂
Did you try running it with the dewalt/ryobi adapter and the usb cable plugged into it to thus turning it into the convenience of a corded and therefore more useless.
5:40 Milwaukee battery patent expired November 2023, although they may have managed to extend it with follow up patents (I have no idea, patent system is a mess). Most of the patents for the mechanical interface of LXT, M18, etc should have expired, too. There's companies like Waitely and Meliff that have been doing knock off stuff for a while and they haven't been sued. There's a Chicago Air air compressor for sale at Sydney/Total tools for a few years now that uses battery adapters to be compatible with the major brands. Surely they would have been sued or Makita/Milwaukee/Dewalt would have told them not to sell that product if there was anything wrong with it.
Cheers, didn't realise it had lapsed. Milwaukee have been pretty protective of that one, and it's made them a lot of money so I'm sure they would still be trying to keep it going.
Lock companies do the same, they design a particular keyway shape, lodge it as a "registered design" or patent, and then they can prevent anyone from making key blanks for a number of years thus making it a "secure lock" because they control who can cut the keys. But when the patents/design expires, they don't bother trying to extend it because hey, it's a perfect opportunity to register another variation on the design and sell everyone brand new locks and keys!
Great video, appreciate the honesty.
I second that.
As a carpenter here in N.Z.... not a chance I'd waste my money on these
Someone commented on this channel in reply to me funnily enough mentioning these Ceenr batteries. I took one quick look at their website and instantly thought, junk. I've had a few different knock off batteries over the years and they're all rubbish. The only ones that have been somewhat decent are Waitley, but even those aren't amazing. They do a job but don't replace the genuine article.
Glad you put the boots into this very dodgy brand. Please let us know if CEENR go ape droppings due to the negative review.
I don't think they'll be sending me anything else to test anytime soon.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL Fewer fire hazards to worry about.
It looks like someone took a power bank and just added some slots for an adaptor, wired into the main board. They should refocus towards very occasional DIYers - perhaps add a Aldi Active Battery adaptor and a Lidl Parkside adaptor to the range.
It would be good if a reputable and capable company would pick up this idea and, faced with competition, hopefully the main manufacturers will get together and agree a standard platform for all batteries and chargers.
Finally a battery for Project Managers to charge from their laptop!
Great video thanks for the honesty , i have saw couples videos so far but found this battery odd .
This was the review I was looking for, not just the pure numbers, the battery is pretty useless. One should just get an adapter for an odd colored tool they have. For completness's sake I would assume that it would charge faster with a PD rated charger and cable, but that's worth nothing if the battery is crap itself.
I agree on pretty much all your points except when you said just buy a battery adapter.. Those are bad news also.. They are just contacts, no protection in them whatsoever, so If you use your dewalt battery to power somthing else then you could destroy your battery quicksmart as th dewalt batterys protection is in the tool..
Any word on when makita are going to release a new 16g (up to 64mm brads) pin gun? Really looking to buy one but not sure if makita are releasing one
For charging, did you have a power delivery charging brick? That would probably be much faster. But wow, it doesn't work well in general.
Great points! I don’t know why they didn’t up the input for the battery- USB-C can handle way over 100W. Maybe the cells aren’t capable of it?
They are, but it would probably be too expensive for them, who knows
The problem is you need a capable charger, not cheap.
So kind of defeats the purpose. You'd need multiple if you lots of batteries.
I was both concerned and excited when you plugged that thin in inside on the bench. It was a let down as it didnt fire off its cells. Usb C? so an 18v battery that charges off 5v? Whats the charge time on that for a 4ah, 27 hours?
USB-C standard isn't limited at 5v. Would be dependent on the power brick.
Mate dont yap if you dont know about USB C power delivery.
@AlexKall i know that, my laptop charger is a 100w 5-20v usbc thing, it will do my phone and laptop too. I trust the makita rapid charger much more, and it plays less then average music when its done too.
@user-bt5qt9pp4x if you quickly put the makita batteries in and out of the charger, it will cycle through a few options of songs
I find the idea pretty cool but a few things id say are a bit a turn off.
1. that they dont work with the normal batterie chargers even though its a 18V system.
2. As you said they are a quite soft material but the "Torque Test Channel" i thing it was did test them, even a drop test and i think they lived.
3. They turn of quite early, propably as a "safety feature" as the Torque Test Channel has stated, even though they use good Cells that could handle outputting more amperage. As you have shown when plugging it in it will self reset itself and you can use it again. AGAIN: THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A SAFETY FEATURE AND WILL BE FIXED AS TIME GOS ON.
The fact that you can use it as a powerbank for loading your phone and stuff is awesome and they said the 4Ah Batteries will be about 45$ and the Adapters about 20$ makes them cheaper because you dont have to buy a adapter for every Batterie. They use really good Cells too so thats a big positive.
I hope this whole System works out because it would be awesome, not only for DIYs, but also people who use the tools on a daily basis arent locked to one system anymore.
Lets give them a Chance to fix all the little beginner problems, its a early stage in development anyway, so they propably will get better (or good).
They cost more than that, that's best case scenario with the 50% off pre-order price.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL Oh i thought they will stay at that price. That makes them quite more unatractive. Thank you for informing me!
Do they do balancing of the cells.
a bit optimistic since they can't fix the main issues (voltage drop and senstive usb connector with slow charging speed)
@non7top You know everything about batteries, so you should know the answer to that...
What about the other brand specific batteries they have now? I have all DeWalt tools (That's just what I started with, I already have the batteries every time I buy a new tool, and the tools are good enough to do the job) so there's not much use for me to buy a bunch of adapters. I can just buy the brand specific batteries they have for about half the price of the switchable ones, so it's an even better deal, ASSUMING THEY'RE A DECENT PRODUCT but I can't seem to find a review yet.
Also, having a couple batteries that have a USB charger is actually a benefit, when I don't want to drag around a brand specific battery charger when I already have multiple USB-C devices with me and a high speed car charger to charge them.
Maybe they mean to use a thunderbolt port which delivers more power and that would charge it much faster? Idk.
It's definitely a good idea, one battery for different brands.
However a good idea doesn't always work out. Personally I've never bought or used knock off batteries in any of my tools for fear of fires.
Year's ago I witnessed a job site burn down because someone had been using some fake dewilt batteries.
Needless to say that cemented the idea to use genuine batteries for each brand of tool.
The only way something like this will work is if all brands sign on to a single platform, like the CAS. Consumers would love it..... Major mass market companies would hate it. But until and unless someone else even figures out how to make an AC adapter for their tools, I have to go with the Green brand. HiKoki/Metabo HPT
During a hard day's work you want the next battery to be ready when you're finished with the last one. I always liked my Makita DC18RD for that reason but charging a battery with USB is just unacceptable.
I don’t understand why people would buy different brands from tools but not get the batteries.
Because you end up with 5 different brands of batteries and charges. And also 12 and 18 ones. I would love to see 2 types of batteries: for 12V tools and for 18
Great vid. Never seriously considered these. I like the innovation, but tool companies will protect their brands and not allow stuff like this. Also this appears to be crap. So thanks for testing.
Looks like that battery could start a house fire 🔥
I did not know that the Ryobi 18+ system would be supported. To be honest I would rather move to Makita that can supply almost any tool I might need.
as a former builder with makita 18v tools I'd probably use that in the radio if it fit.. it would be next to useless for any other tool..
You wouldn't put them in the radio, know why? They cost more than a Makita battery 😆😂
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL yea i certainly wouldn't buy one but you know if it was given to me it'd be a different story..
Great principle but I am nowhere near sold yet!
I think at this point about the only way I *might* consider use a "universal tool battery" would be if the battery manufacturer (any manufacturer) addressed the issues you've pointed out AND not only warrantied the battery, but covered (in a legally binding manner) the tools it would be used on -- similar to manufacturers of surge protectors providing coverage for electronics their products are supposed to protect.
That's about the only way I think I'd use such a product as there are entirely too many lazy "engineers"/program managers/companies out there that entirely too willing to rush what ever turd of a product the good idea fairy dropped in their lap to market and then let the end user absorb the costs of testing and validating their product for them.
Personally as someone that's not a professional using tools I dislike wasting my time fiddling with equipment/tools/batteries that just need to work when I have time to get things done.... especially since that time/money lost isn't something I'm getting (re)compensated for using/losing.
So thanks for the honest review Tools.
As a hobbyist and self-professed cheapskate, I gave up on cheap tools when the frustration of using absolute crap kept getting the better of me - never mind the danger of the poor design and bad manufacture of such things. The idea of a universal battery is great, but if the execution keeps being poor and possibly even dangerous it just entrenches the original equipment model even further. That being said, having enough LXT batteries to power me through a Saturday of tool use that doesn't make me want to immediately break something and give up is money well spent.
I literally use Makita batteries as a hammer...
Yeah... couldn't do that with these.
A battery hammer 🔨 lol
There are two types of people in this world. Those that use batteries as hammers, and liars.
As a shed builder, i have dropped makita batteries from over 6 metres high with impact driver straight on concrete,steel, rocks,and they love it really can't break Makita
@@floydminch8357 wow
China doesn't play by copyright laws. They won't be sued
Made for the home player with a bunch of different tool brands and 10 years on needs new batteries. One battery and assorted adapters. The only save would be a very good price for adapters and a 1/2 decent price for batteries.Yeah Naa better with after market.
Real tool companies are already way ahead on this already with thr AmpShare multi brand battery system, companies like Bosch & Fein are already selling this system & they are proper industrial grade batteries with nothing knockoff involved.
I think there is about 50 brands on board already.
Good to see an honest review of this garbage nonsense that seems more of a marketing scam than a real professional product.
Yes, I use Ampshare, but still, I need a cordless heat gun with temperature control and there is none. I need a portable washer - nope. I need a mini cut off tool like dewalt (Bosch is way weaker) -nope. Ratchet - no. Mini Blower - no. So, I still need Bosch, Makita, DeWalt, Milwakee and Hikoki batteries to suit my needs. Crazy!
Only in Europe, unfortunately 😢
I can just see the newbie on the job site showing up talking game about this for an hour, borrowing his foremans 450$ DeWalt 20v Max drill, having to deal with resetting his battery 5 times, gets frustrated and sets it down walking away to get a DeWalt battery, as the thing catches on fire from drawing too much through the cheap clip on adapter and he gets to spend his first paycheck paying off his bosses loss.
Without proper battery protection, these are not legal in many jurisdictions. Too many deadly fires caused by cheap batteries lately.
dude, for the yellow cell balancing block on the adapter... i can save you some time to simply tell you that they are using a pre-existing (pre-made) production run of cheap chinese clone bms pcbs... which are already been used and found in the fake "made for makita" chinese clone non-makita batteries. so for the sake of production costs etc, it would have been cheaper and easier for those guys to buy a whole job lot bunch of pre-existing batch of those un-popilated pcbs as a part. from a chinese wholesales. then to simply adapt it to their own unique purpose, without adding extra costs to actually bother populating the pcb itsef... because the value is to not have to re-invent the wheel (already manufactured). for the sake of really dirt cheap contacts etc.
this then allowed them to cut costs on that part of the design. that particular subsystem.
also noteworthy: that the abs plastic shell... well those cheap 'made for makita' clone batteries also uses inferior abs plastic shells too. all of them as far as i am aware... i have not found myself personally any clone batteries out there which is made with proper stronger plastics like you say: to be polycarbonate, or the ones containing glass beads embedded. it is just a plain homogenous abs...
so... perhaps this is a chinese product then? hmm
Ridgid/AEG?
Nice idea, poor execution. It works a lot better when manufacturers use a standardised battery as per Cordless Alliance System, Mafell, Lamello, Metabo , Prebena etc.
Never never never use a brand x battery. If your tool blows up u are not covered
Your tool's not gonna blow up by using 3rd party batteries. The battery itself will go before the tool.
@@CL-nj3zsdepends on how hard you push'em.
T/T channel did f up a few tools with adapters.
@@CL-nj3zs it can
Not to mention you would get laughed at on any job site
😂 what happens if you plug the usb c while using does it override the overload protection and we can watch you go for round 2 on exploding lithium cells
Looks like it's designed exclusively for soldering irons and dremel pens for use in a laptop repair shop. Can't imagine them being used in the wild
Your review started off negative from the beginning. I love the idea and some of the points you made i agree with but constructive criticism would be nice to hear. These companies charging us $200-$250 a battery is crazy. I think the company has good intentions they just havent got generation 1 of there product perfect but what company does? If they were out to rip people off there marketing would be a little different than what it is. I hope to see them or another company get a universal battery dialed in a little better because its really getting old paying these prices that keep going up for factory original batteries. Also ive had brand new factory original batteries fail awful quickly (makita, ryobi). Its got nothing to do with being a cheap skate its about finding a good product at a affordable price.
unfortunately you are right they are worth their weight in old news paper......................waste of money
i bought a $37 drincosh 24v leaf blower kit and the 4ah battery has a barrel charger but does work better than this
i hate tools made to be put in landfills, that company is shit
After buying 3rd party batteries for my Nikon camera and seeing how much worse they were compared to the genuine even from a reputable manufacturer and claims of higher output, I don't buy knock-offs anymore. If I can't afford another battery, I'll just wait until I can. And these aren't even cheaper.
These aren't really made for tradespeople. They're made for DIY'ers who can't or won't invest in multiple battery platforms and therefore need a battery that can fit tools from multiple brands. Most of my tools are Makita, both 18V and 40V, but my nailers are Hitachi/ Hikoki and I've also got Metabo tools. This means multiple sets of batteries and multiple chargers. But I'd rather invest in that than a jack of all trades system. A system that probably doesn't work with the electronics most brands have built into their tools and chargers, meaning an increased risk of tools or batteries breaking. I get the idea behind this system, but it's not worth investing in if you use your tools professionally.
I can see a limited use for it. But I prefer to just take apart cheap 18V tools and solder some 10AWG cables to it, and run it to a makita 18V battery in a holder.
I get to use my nice batteries, and the cheap tools often are a single use/limited purpose device so having an adapted battery isn't a problem.
I can't even use a knock off battery on my powertool i don't like that at all , i prefer a genuine battery how get me years of work , sometime discharged charge my pack 4-5 time on a day
Minor nitpick - at 8:10 you say the cells won't be balanced via the USB charge port, because the yellow connector on the Makita adapter isn't connected to anything. But the board inside could still balance the cells - just look at the Makita XGT. There's no external cell balancing connector on those (just some logic signals and a bidirectional data port) and it still balances the cells, it just does it internally with the battery's built in microcontroller. That's not to say these CEENR packs DO balance the cells, just that charging via USB doesn't rule it out.
ofc they do get balanced via internal BMS, he just pointed out that the yellow connector it useless because it is not balancing the cells and it also doesn't connect to the tool, it is just there for looks.
The curious part of me still wonders how it compares in driving fasteners. Is it actually comparable to DeWalt Makita or Milwaukee batteries?
Interesting idea implemented poorly
Thanks tools
I would never ever torture my expensive Makita Power tools with an overpriced power system like ceenr. I over worked them effort as it is already.
I got one. will see how it goes when I get it.
So you haven't got one.
Have you ever had the yellow bit on a makita battery break?
Yes. Simple replacement once out of warranty and swapped without a murmur if in warranty.
Even though I dropped it and caused it.
How did you replace it?
I have 2 broken ones that I would like to fix
@@edwardlogan267 plenty of videos and Amazon or eBay has the part.
I guess he's out of the burns unit then?
I think it's a fine idea, but the implementation is horrendous. The only use I'd have for it is low draw tools that aren't used often. Maybe nailers?
At any rate, with Li-ion batteries, I don't use anything not produced by a big reputable company with a presence outside of China for the one reason you put out: fires. Saving a few bucks on batteries is no good if it doesn't load balance the cells and it burns down your fuckin house. Talk about short sighted. Good luck suing a Chinese company which will close up shop in six weeks and sell the same stuff under a new unpronounceable name.
rather use regular batteries or adapters.
Shit I didn't know that EU Standard battery was bs...
Trying to set your house on fire again?
Too bad, I had high hopes for the batteries. Might be ok for worksite radios or flashlights. 😅
Except they cost MORE than name brand batteries!
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL yes, that made me rethink the idea of these batteries. I wanted to order one, and discovered that they are like 2-3 times more expensive than genuine ones.
These replacement batteries should only be used for drills, screwdrivers, lights or some tools with medium discharge current, if you install it for grinders, cutters...it can overload, voltage deviation of the battery or damage the charging circuit board and damage it. Even if you use different battery adapters for different types of machines, you should stop immediately when there is 1 light bar left on the battery. Makita seems to be harder to die but I have had 2 incidents with Milwaukee and Dewalt, especially Milwaukee. I changed the circuit and it still works but not everyone knows how to do it.
Milwaukee has the patent to use lithium cell for power tool batteries?!? u must be joking rite
From the start, although @toolscientist has just informed me it may have lapsed in November last year.
It was a major BS patent, but they somehow made it stick. Sued and settled with Makita and Hitachi and I think Bosch. Snap-on took them to court and lost. Everyone's being paying royalties to Milwaukee for over 10 years, but patent expired November 2023, so hopefully that's all over now. Putting more powerful cells in a power tool battery is the most obvious thing in the power tool world, and obviousness usually makes patents invalid. I would have loved if some other company patented 21700s or tabless cells in power tool batteries and made it free for everyone except Milwaukee.
@@toolscientist haha yeah that would be epic :D
@@toolscientist unbelieveable？！？ but then again why wld they be content with collecting royalties instead of being able to reign supreme in cordless tools had they been the only one using lithium cells?
@@delvingoh8309 maybe some sort of anti-trust issues. The patent was granted around 2008, but I don't think they started enforcing it until the 2010s. By that time most lithium systems were established and there would have been massive consumer and regulatory backlash if all those systems had to be pulled from the market.
As a general rule of thumb avoid all Chinese knock-offs.
Drop test 😂
Even my phone in my pocket at site the usbc gets filled of shit imagine this piece of shit ... Even milwakee batteries are trash and start to fall apart ... Only trouble with those makita batteries on the 18v platform is the no battery gauge .. i dunno if they have some new ones now but this was frustrating
Makita batteries have had fuel gauges for more than 5 years now.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL ha shows you how old the Makita batteries are on my site .. shows pretty good longevity ..I only have the xgt track saw 😅
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL unfortunately I invested mostly in de faulty tools
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL I'm in Auckland as well any idea where I can pick up a hikoki nail gun hook mine just randomly snapped off the other day nothing worse then lugging that beast of burden around all day with no hook
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL Thanks for making me feel old mate. The oldest Makita batteries I have are 3AH batteries that were made back in 2014 (no fuel gauge) according to the date code. And they still work! The oldest with fuel gauges I have were made in 2016.
On the bright side I switched from Dewalt to Makita back then because I spent a fortune every 3 years (like clockwork) replacing my Dewalt NiCad batteries (12V, 14,4V and 18V). I bought alot of my Makita LXT tools since they were heavily discounted back then. Still going strong.
Keeping you and your family in my daily prayers.
I reminds me of a Chinese mystery gun. Often they copied the form of western guns, but they did not understand the function of all the elements.
USB-C is 100% unreliable. When adapter is inserted it is on and drawing power.
Tldr i get everything for free and i show you in this video why I think it is a little bit shit.
Thats why I an subscribed here 😂😊😂