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- Stephen A. Smith, Tim Legler and Jay Williams are on First Take to talk all things Ben Simmons and him “quitting” on his teams.
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Let's be real, no one actually believes that this guy is injured. I just wish someone other than Stephen A. would say it.
Slippery Slope
How do you know??? You in his body ??
@@zosproductions-cz6im Yeah he has been injured for 1 year due to a back injury…
Sometimes you just need to use your brain 🙄
@@yvans. lmaooo, Robert Williams III torn his meniscus several weeks ago, had surgery and came back to play before Ben Simmons did. This dude is a wet napkin
Ben needs to retire
The Nets would’ve been better off not trading for James Harden and keeping Jarrett Allen, Caris Levert and Taurean Prince
Big facts... That was the beginning of the end for them
Brooklyn went downhill trading D-lo Russell.
Straight facts finally someone said it.
Thank You, I have no idea why they wanted James Harden in the first place. That team was a playoff team before Kyrie and Durant and went to the playoffs when both of them were hurt year 1.
@@Anukinihun nets were a fun team to watch before kd and kyire joined 🤷
Ben Simmons is actually a master finesser 😂
One of the greatest in sports history..
At this point he’s basically one small step away from being like a Patrick Mahomes’ brother.
Bruhh a scammer forreal
Ben Simmons isn’t finessing anything, it’ll work for this season but he about to mess the money up for everyone else. Owners are going to get together like Stephen A said and cuz of him and others that abuse sitting out. They’re gonna ruin everyone’s money.
LSU, Philly, Australia, Brooklyn, and the list will keep going.
Never seen anything like it in all of sports. Even Roberto Duran was in the ring fighting when he quit in the “ No Mas “ fight . 😂😂😂😂
This man quit on a whole country 😂😂😂 doesn’t get any worse than that
@@thekingbradable 😂😂😂😂💯
@@thekingbradable His feelings were still hurt from Doc Rivers and when asked to join Australia at the Olympics he cited "mental health" reasons for not playing. 🤦
All good, we won the bronze without him anyway. 😎👍
@@MafiaboysWorld Out of game 4 with hurt feelings))
Ben is setting the Sports/Mental Health conversation back with him weaponizing a serious issue
Facts
Well said, and as a black man weaponizing his mental health is HORRIBLE
nobody knows what is going on his mind, stop pretending you are his psychiatrist. there is so many sport athletes struggling with depression where everybody thought they look so healthy and could not possibly have problems with depression and other mental issues, that have revealed they had massive problems during their career. IF he actually has mental problems, this speculation on him pretending to being hurt etc is massively contraproductive. stephen a. smith has never worked as hard as any of these sport athletes he is talking about - he talks a lot that is all. he is just mad "his" new york sibling team has not made a run in the playoffs with his "best player in the world right now" durant and "bona fide stud" kyrie.
Nah, fr...
I can’t wait to get into the analytics behind the next collective bargaining agreement for the nba. It’s definitely going to be interesting. Stephen A is dead on!
What is collective bargaining agreement ?
@@Angetape225 players union and the owners negotiate how the player's contracts will be.
Put Drink Milk In AD’s Contract
Mike miller had no back, 1 shoe and far less talent than Ben, but he still got out there to make a big 3 for Heat to help them win.
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😂😂😂facts!! Man could barely walk.
And he ended being a champion. 🏆
Literally
I love how they hit on the generational aspect of this, because it's not just sports. I feel like young people in general want 'the bag' with a minimal amount of effort. Part of me gets it, because we saw our parents get manipulated and overworked by companies that underpaid them, but knowing our worth somehow turned into entitlement.
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Very well stated
It feels like a double-edged sword with no balance.
It's not just gonna be Ben Simmons though. I'm sure his agent, family, friends, accountant and every single person that benefits from him making all of this money is gonna be pushing him to fight for every dime. The entitlement goes beyond just the actual athlete.
thats real
As an athlete, what Ben Simmons is getting away with is disgusting. Absolutely no guts and no competitive fire. Dude left his team because he was being criticized for coming up small in the playoffs. One of the most soft individuals I’ve seen play the sport.
Ben Simmons is a coward point blank. I was actually rooting for him after he left Philly but I’ve had enough
Lol why the f would brooklyn even let him back when he misses the entire season and it's gonna be his first time playing with kyrie and kd lol?so they can have a scapegoat for their failures this season?i mean they're already doing it now,not surprised
@@jmandan8728 Good point, the way I view it is how Ben said it himself and he's brought a lot of attention to himself. Now, he needs to accept the consequences of the publicity he brought on himself.
@@jmandan8728 great sensible point everyone in they feelings
Same here bro 💯
Send Ben Simmons to weenie hut juniors
He's reliable to sit at that proper 90° Angle, like Thanos in Guardians of The Galaxy😂
Next NBA Lockout will have the season reduced to 50 games and starting late like 1998-1999 if what Stephen A is saying is true. It will be a HUGE showdown between the owners and players.
This is going to be bigger than MLB
And we all know that SAS isn't lying right now. All becuase what has happened with Ben Simmon (in Philly and Brooklyn, to long to tell), James Harden and quitting and changing teams as he pleases and Kyrie Irving that misses games whenever he wants and basketball isn't he's priority
They not going to 50 games lol that’s way to much money the NBA would leave on the table.
Oh no, that's gonna happen. You can't have dudes just not coming to work and getting full pay.
It's going to be ugly
players that caused the damage:
- ben simmons
- kyrie
- john wall
- james harden
- AD to some extent by sitting out of games during the end of his tenure with the pelicans
- kawhi leonard to some extent by missing games to rest.
Add Zion to that list
@@Curtis69213 in due time. He hasnt been in the nba long enough and he's still on a rookie contract.
Kawhi got a pass because he won a championship with toronto but still he's one of those who hurts the league right now. He only plays if he wants to.
@@alexnguyen1284 three years. He has the option to sign a rookie extension after this season. Next CBA will be brutal for players and they can thank Zion and Ben for the role they played in it
Pelicans made AD sit out games to protect him from injuries before a trade. NBA intervened and demanded the pelicans cease what they were doing.
totally agree with Stephen A. These nets will go down not as champions but as culprits in the scale back of the player empowerment era.
Such a shame the NBA didn't protect Larry Bird like they do to their current players. Larry was getting tackled by Bill Laimbeer or choked by Dr. J. The 80s and 90s hard fouls were brutal. Enough to ruin entire careers.
Larry Bird said the things that he was doing during the offseason was the reason why his career got cut short. I think his house was on a farm and he blew his back out working out there
@@CrookedJoeBiden Yep, that's crazy...something he didn't have to do with the money he was making but he had a different mentality. You do your own work!
It was his own team mate, who put The Nail in The Coffin on Larry Bird’s Career. But, Bird did not help matters by spending his Offseason, FISHING, FARTING AND DRINKING BEER, instead of Strengthening his Body and Improving his Flexibility.
@@CrookedJoeBiden He was shoveling out a new driveway for his mom. Foolish forb somebody with the money he had.
Dam I would have loved to see Ben Simmons vs the bad boy pistons especially against bill laimbeer and Dennis rodman
At this point I wouldn’t doubt it if Ben Simmons never plays another game in the nba.
2:58 Man that Pat Riley quote an excellent summation/encapsulation of the mentality that players had to have and 80s/90s and even 2000s. Compare and contrast that to cats today like Stephen A says a bit later in the video. SAS is 100% right on this one today!
Ben Simmons really sat out an entire season because Joel Embiid and Doc Rivers hurt his feelings
😂
By few, is Stephen A. referring to Kawhi, Kyrie, and Ben? Two of those three on the Nets. The last throwback player was Kobe. He'd still play with a sprained ankle. MJ would get mugged in the lane. Headhunted. Still plays 82 games 9x.
Guys like AI would be beat up and have nagging injuries all season and still go out and avg 42-43 mins a game. These dudes today are soft.
3 years since KD & Kyrie signed and BKN hasnt sniffed an ECF?
You hate to see it 😳😳😳
1st year: KD is injured with achilles tear, Kyrie also missing significant time due to injuries
2nd year: Bad luck at 2nd round considering its pivotal when Kyrie is injured again but KD will that team but not enough.
3rd year: ...........no excuses.
Crazy! And the funny thing is before being down 0-3 there were still favorites to win the title!
@@ajbarros9751 let’s not forget Kyrie taking time off for things outside of basketball smh
@@adriansmith5279 people kept saying nobody wants to see a healthy Brooklyn nets team in the playoffs lol
My sentiments are on course with a lot of others about Ben Simmons actions as of lately. But what really caused the players to start thinking of themselves. Everybody forgets about Isiah Thomas and how he played through his injury for the benefit of the Celtics only to be traded in the end. Now this may have nothing to do with Ben's supposed injury in question. However, the leagues owners are not always the good guys neither. So when we talk about a bad CBA agreement both side of the basketball had something to do with current state of todays NBA.
It's sad that these few players ruined contracts for youngins in the future.
KD said time & time again that he didn't expect Simmons back & wasn't going to rush his return. The problem is everyone always believing everything Woj reports. He's the one who came out claiming Ben might return in game 3.
@Gradi Dodo Woj probably got it from the same person who lied to him, saying that the Nets weren't going to trade Harden & weren't even talking to anyone about it. Bunch of bs. Scrimmaging with the team is NOT the same thing as planning to come back in a playoff game.
True, but Ben Simmons is still a weak and selfish teammate.
Simmons said it HIMSELF!! He said it to reports 2 days ago!!!!
lol the organization is putting pressure on him by releasing these reports. It's happened a billion times
Also people don't know what "might" mean. He's obviously trying to get healthy, if he wasn't he could easily ruled himself out for the season a month ago. People critical thinking skills are lacking.
The Jordan Rules was no joke. No exaggeration. MJ was literally getting mugged attacking the rim. Sometimes clotheslined. Many of those players in the 80s and 90s were. I saw Magic hitting Isiah while Isiah was in mid-air. Cheap shot.
We’re they called fouls or not? I saw far weaker foul calls in the 90s but I didn’t see the 80s. He got hit all the way too the floor and nobody called anything?
@@turnerburner922
80's were vicious
That's the players literally fighting era
@@turnerburner922 the fouls WERE called, so its not like the players were getting away with murder
Throw Kawhi in there too. These guys are divas. 😎😂😂😂
Except Kahwi got 2 rings and a future hall of famer, Ben Simmons? Legacy is tarnished😈 he won't recover from this
Only thing that hurts on Ben Simmons is his fragile feelings.
They PAID him too soon! They PAY most NBA players too soon!
Most so called NBA superstars today make more on one contract than Michael Jordan made for his entire career! Think about that!
@@jayregal6478 Role players make more than hall of famers lol
@@jayregal6478 I think by 2030, the 15th man going to be signing $200 million dollar contracts lol
Best thing SAS has said in a very long time
Real talk
I agree. Remember when Scottie Pippen was visibly in pain? He still was on the court to serve as a decoy to help the Bulls win another championship. Some of these guys just care for money. They not trying to get a ring.
It’s like that in the NFL too 💯
I’m glad I’m old enough to recall Kobe’s prime, when he swapped numbers and all that. Guys wanna be great but they don’t wanna put the work in, when was kobe ever called out for missing games? And quitting? Never. He didn’t do that
Same here and I watched Big Fundamental prime on how he played the game everyday
give Chris Herring his props, Stephen A! He wrote the book "Blood in the Garden"
Facts 💥
“Blood In The Garden” is a great book about the 90’s Knicks!
Stephen A. Smith violated Ben Simmons with takes on & off the court
I picked the Nets thinking Ben was playing I’m so salty 😂😂😂
Stephen A: …And they are gonna pay for it. You can BOOK it!
Me: SHEESH 😬
both great points from Stephen A and Legs 1:45 2:46
"Wherever you go, there you are." - Jon Kabat-Zinn
Clutch Sports👏🏾
SAS is right. That Pat Riley story should be heard by lazy 'players'
1:56 PERFECT take Legs
The reason I question the back is
1. The timing so you telling me as soon as he got to Brooklyn (which he needed to pass physicals to get there btw) he has an injured back
2. The dude demanded his money from the sixers when he refused to show up to training camp that isn’t the sign of someone who is hurt and can’t play normally you focus on your injury ask Klay and KD what they thought when they couldn’t play.
If you put some evil Disney music behind SAS this video would be perfect lol
He is who he is!
I completely agree with Stephen A
The owners are coming is the new winter is coming 😂😂😂😂😂
Steaven a is absolutely right
I already was thinking the owners was going to make the players play for sitting out idk how but it’s gotta be something
It’s part of his plan of (1) sign a max contract, (2) force a trade out of philly, (3) force a trade to the west coast. His original plan was to get a supermax, but he got edged out for defensive player of the year. His ideal scenario would’ve been to end up in LA last summer.
Yes but I would add his original NBA intent was to be in the LA area from the jump so he could date actresses/entertainers and live lavish. The Philly landing was an inconvenience for him but he tolerated it until Doc and Embiid called him on his s**t.
For now though he'll have to settle for IG models. The upper echelon women already got a bag - what they want is fellow star power and homeboy is a bad look right now.
Notice I'm not talking about basketball at all - that's not Ben's concern either.
@@ruckusroke nice clarification 😂. Guy built a mansion but forgot to include an indoor gym to practice shooting.
I think I’ll also put the lakers sucking because of Ben Simmons. I think lebron wanted Simmons with him, so he forced the trade for westbrook, with the intention of making the Philly trade (ie 76ers needed a quality PG at season start with salary match). Lebron goofed.
So in one season, Simmons has had a hand in tanking (or attempting to tank) the 76ers, nets, and lakers.
One of the biggest ways to address players missing games, whether for injuries or sitting out for rest, is to make their STATISTICAL AVERAGES be based on 82 games, not on the actual number of games that they play. So for example...when you are determining who will win MVP based on their stats, a guy who plays 70 games and scores a total of 1,890 pts, would average 27 pts per game if the average was based on him playing in 70 games...but that average comes down to 23.4, if it is based on him playing in 82 games. Now, take a guy who scores 1,920 pts playing in 80 games...if it is based on him playing in 80 games, his average would be 24 pts per game...if it is based on him playing in 82 games, his average is 23.4 pts per game. His average only drops by a small fraction compared to the guy who missed 12 games and if we are looking at the conversation for MVP, the guy who averages 24 pts per game, would be in the discussion for MVP just as the guy who averages 27 pts per game when he plays, simply because the 24 pts per game guy, is more RELIABLE to play in games...THAT SHOULD BE REWARDED...THE GUYS WHO SHOW UP ON GAME DAY READY TO PLAY, SHOULD BE REWARDED FOR THAT. Make all the statistical averages be based on playing 82 games, not on how many games you actually play in. Just this small change alone, would force most players to want to play, if they want to be eligible for various AWARDS and for INCENTIVE MONEYS that require you to meet certain statiscal goals.
It’s funny how he’s not doing a single segment on kd..but let that man drop 40 one game and he’s the greatest of all time lol
He did
Look at what kd did against the raptors in the finals
The "Simmons-Irving Rule" is coming. 😁
With Cavs missing playoffs the Nets need to trade Simmons & those 2 Philly 1st for Levert & Jarret Allen. Nets made a hug mistake
What team would want to trade for Ben Simmons except to buy him out? But his contract doesn’t expire until 2025.
During the next CBA meeting the owners better demand that players provide all medical records since college playing days, professional opinions from 3 independent physicians for official diagnosis and estimated time of recovery, and an aggressive rehabilitation/workout program to get the player back on the court as soon as possible. They need to stop pampering these superstar players and make them earn their oversized paychecks cause this is totally ridiculous how they are gaming the system.
I would not trust Ben Simmons to make my team better, or even to take a basketball court again at this point, but it's some real shenanigans to say he quit on Philly. His coach and the leader of the team both called him out after that series in a way that made it clear they didn't want anything to do with him.
You can say that maybe dude has some personality issue that made them dislike him, but you can't just say "he quit on them" like they had his back.
There is a way you call a teammate out or a player on your team when you want him to do better, and it ain't saying stuff that amounts to "I don't know if we can ever win with this guy" about a guy his 4th year in the league and your first year coaching him.
Let's say a player gets 30M$ year divided by 82 games = 366.000 per game.
If the player misses the entire season, he gets paid only 20%, 6M$.
The bag is way different than in the 80s and 90s
I Haate SAS, but hes right on on this one. Show up to work, or don't get that sweet bag of cash. No other industry works this way
At this point Kyrie and Ben Simmons are the same person
I'm with Stephen A, CBA needs to be fixed to make sure what we saw this season doesn't happen again. Things like 5 years, fully guaranteed contracts will probably be a thing of the past soon. All future players can point to this season to understand why they're getting paid or not paid.
It's already happening look at what's going on with Zach Lavine! They are wanting to put an injury clause into his contract, it's super messed up! Ben simmons Kyrie and Harden literally killed the player empowerment era
As an employee, you don’t take a full year off and ask to get paid.
If Brooklyn would’ve won game 3 and they were 2-1 heading into game 4, Ben Simmons would’ve played.
Doesn't get much more speculative than that
Reminding of me kobe shouting left handed while having an injury
SAS is right on this one.
Ben Simmons need to be treated harsher than how the league treated Carmelo Anthony. That's a fact.
Can someone find Bens heart and give it back to him ? Dude doesn’t see his guys getting outplayed and he’s just sitting there watching? How could you not feel cringey knowing you could possibly make a difference but just elect not to? He doesn’t even have to shoot; just be a new defensive body on Tatum and Brown…for 10 minutes. Approximately 2-3 minutes per quarter. But nah. I really thought dude would show up for game 4
Ben never had heart to start with, you can't give it to him if he's never had it
Even AD returned last year in the playoffs
He also quit on Australia which Bogut has confirmed
This is absolutely untrue. Ben Simmons is extremely reliable in summer workout and beach videos.
he been 2 places 😭
Jay Will is actually really smart
Ben Simmons is finessing the NBA
Pendulum swings.... There's a Grant Hill and Penny Hardaway story for every Ben Simmons
2:18 the only problem with this thinking, is that if you play trash while hurt teams will use that to not pay come contract time. Ask Baker Mayfield.
Exactly! Or the injury could get worse
Kyrie and Simmons on the same team is the worst combination of players you can have cause they’re not willing to lace up every night, and that hurts chemistry in the long run
Ben Simmons now targeting Game 7 or Game 8. Details to come.
This actually may be a good argument to allow high school and college players to make money off of their likeness and for playing the sport, cause some of these dudes may feel like they worked hard from since their dad had them running drills in the driveway, from youth basketball, to varsity, to college, and now that they made it to them NBA it’s like F that, I made it, I don’t have to work hard anymore… they need to see that this is part of it all
Stephen A hit the nail on the head btw how players approach the league now vs what it used to be. Crazy that they are being paid at an all time high when players of yest weren’t making near that much and would show up every game. The number of televised big games this year that I tuned into this year and u had literally 1-2 stars on both teams out was absolutely ridiculous. So many games I didn’t watch this year cuz of that. I love the NBA but this year was especially terrible as a fan
Stephen A is 100 percent right on this one. These premadonas only care about collecting paychecks than making the NBA must see tv today. Reason why college basketball is better. The money isnt the top priority its making the league. When you make it to the league the competitive drive go's away and all they care about is there bag. I wish I was around to watch the NBA in the 80s, 90s, and even the early 2000s when players had more of a competitve drive
I see the NBA changing the rules. They’d probably do a play for play rule.
Stephen doesn't miss a chance to nuthug the owners
Even if he's injured, he should have at least helped the team in their defense.
This guy is the Elizabeth Holmes of basketball.
At least ad tried last year
ben simmons not shooting conflict is already backfiring to him
Even cashnasty wouldn’t be able to pull off such a finesse move as Simmons
I'm gonna say this he doesn't want to play because he doesn't want to get blamed for them losing tonight he is under pressure n if he plays and the lose its gonna be directed his way.
Nah he hasn’t nothing to lose ,no one would blame him he’s literally playing his first game in almost a year 😂
@@caseydouglas412 na u ryte he doesn't but that's gonna give them a narrative to go with from here on until lol father notice.
100 million only goes so far.
Stephen A. has been saying the owners will use this against the players come cba time. It could get ugly.
Wondering which players he’s talking about at the end… Ben, Kyrie, Kawhi?, who else has missed a bunch of games for questionable injury reasons? AD?
The way the Celtics are playing right now reminds of the 90s NBA with their defense. Thats why till this day the 90s was the golden era of the NBA for me. During that era even the worst teams had gladiators playing basketball, not these diva's nowadays...dressed up like walking Skittles..
Wimps and lollipops
Add team Australia for the olympics, he quit there too
If his back is that bad you would see it within 2 mins on the court and you pull him and say "at least he gave it a go"
If Ben Simmons got hurt during last year playoffs then I would understand the back injuries. But didn’t he come out and say because of mental health he’s going to take a break from the game? So now since being traded to the Nets it’s been the back injury of why he not playing. He was better off just sticking with the mental health! We all would be accept that. At least it’s honest. At least he had the courage to acknowledge a weakness. We all identify and relate to that!
It’s crazy to think that Ben Simmons reputation will never be the same after this unless he wins a championship
BS winning a championship it's the same as counting with future lottery earnings for your budget
When it’s the organization do something f up “it’s a business” when it’s the players it’s character assassination smh
What about IT's hip?
Difference is it was trying to get paid. Ben got paid and still don't want to play