again another nice deer buddy. i think you sold me on the ELD-x340gr heading out to the range today to put some groups together thanks again for all you do for our sport. SEMPER FI
I appreciate that brother. Please let me know how your groups go. I love hearing from you guys. The only way to get a general consensus on the rounds. Thanks again. SEMPER FI
Congrats DJ! Nice buck! Just wanted to thank you for all the content and testing you have provided. It all helped me get a 10pt of my own here in Minnesota.
I’ve done a separate ladder test on each, as well as a hunt with each. But I do let the idea of picking up some ballistics gel and running a 100 yards test🤔 but in my rifle the ELD-X group better and hit harder. Thanks for the idea and thanks for watching.
@@pastornate0827 recoil… I didn’t really notice a lot of difference but I was focus on the shots. Speed data.. I will doing anothe video for that. Ya’ll have let me know that I messed up by not providing that lol. Give some time and I will get it for you.
This is true..I'm hunting in a tree lounge in Uwharrie National forest..right now..a few minutes ago a small group of campers and or hikers just put up.a tent or two tents 200 to 300 yards away..this is when a guy must man up and adapt and overcome(marine phrase in the movie Heart break ridge)..obviously I got to put out maximum effort in the future..this will make me stronger and smarter and definitely wiser
@suburbanhunt3653 this is true but it's unbelievable..I'm setting just about in the same area in Uwharrie National forest north Carolina..2 years ago veterans day..two guys are making alot of noise hammering and talking..they get in front of me about 75 yards and I see there putting up signs on trees..I get down and walk towards them.i ask what are you doing..I looked and there signs say ...behind the sign private property no trespassing..that mourning I was hunting on forest property..right now all of a sudden I'm trespassing on private property with a firearm..a felony..they said that the landowner bought a portion of land from the forest service and when he dies it all goes to forest property..so I moved my stand 100 yards and hunted on forest land which that mourning was private land...the land owner found me the next day and asked me to tell him what happened..he apologized and said that from now on I have total access to any of his land because his guys didn't do this right ..I still only hunt on the forest side but a few weeks later I shot a 8 point 229 pounds..I would have killed him if I hadn't move 100 yards but that is 100% true..that's my biggest ever..I mentioned to these guys putting up signs that I found a pot field close buy...obviously they told the land owner and he obviously decided that he and I need to be friends...
It's the last week of muzzleloader season here in Texas and I'm using the same Hornady bore driver 290 grain FTX, at about rt yards I had the same problem with not going all the way through stopped past the shoulder on the other side but I will say this went through both shoulders through both lungs and the top of the heart it fell where I hit it. I do like pass-throughs if they run away I like pass-throughs
Indeed passthrough are always best for tracking an animal. But DRT is DRT!!! Even without the pass through the amount of blood that I had was very easy to track. Thanks for watching and good luck out there.
Nice buck. My testing is showing ELR and Bore Drivers are hitting real close to each other so I can basically use either though I prefer Hornady. Next state down from me gun season opens in a week or so and we get to target bucks again as my in state tags are filled for bucks unless I use a bow. My ten pointer had dinky horns compared to yours!
Had an ELR pass through on one deer this year with ZERO blood trail. Double lung and the top of the heart was damaged. He only went 30 yards. But ZERO blood the first 20 feet. If you are SURE of your shot your deer is down close by, blood or no blood. Don't EVER assume you missed if you are sure you shot well.
Ground level shots sometimes are a problem as the body needs to fill with blood before it leaks out the hole, and a high lung shot may not leave much at first. Shot from tree stands there is a downward bias and the exit holes are likely lower for a better blood trail. Never assume you missed though!
As long as you enjoyed the hunt that is all that matters. A good clean ethical shot is all you can ask for. As for the blood trail.. you are 100% correct. That why I prefer to be elevated when I hunt. That and vantage point. Aim point and impact are close to the same on my as well. That allowed me to go straight from the doe to buck with different projectiles and no scope change
MY DAUGHTER SHOT BIG 8 PT 2ND DAY WITH CVA OPTIMA V2 USING 2 TRIPLE 7 MAGNUM PELLETS AND A FTX 290 GR. AT 75 YDS. SHE'S HAS NOW HUNTED FOUR YEARS SHOT FOUR BUCKS THIS WAS HER BIGGEST, WITH 4 SHOTS WITH 4 DIFFERENT GUNS ALL SHOTGUNS OR MZ!! ONE SHOT ONE KILLS, MARINE CORPS MARKSMANSHIP TRAINED BY ME. SEMPER FI CONGRATS ON YOUR BUCK.
I’m using Blackhorn 209 75gr by weight. I’m not sure on the weights of the animal. We process the meat ourselves. So they go straight to the gutting tree. We debone when we process rather then quarter so I honestly have mo clue
Plan to buy my first muzzleloader a CVA Wolf V2 and use White Hots with the Hornaday FTX you used. Got a real education on the shortage of powder and primers. Only primers I can find are Cheddite. Will they work with the White Hots and Hornaday?
Absolutely!!! Cheddite is right up there with the CCI mag primers. I have ever only had one issue with them in the combo and honestly I'm leaning toward powder. It was a squib load. Which means the primer still went off. That one in all of my testing. I would say you're safe. Wish you the best of luck. FTX are great rounds. If you go through a shoulder you may not get a pass through but I still had a heck of a blood trail.
Good job. Are u shooting 100 gr blackhorn? I am shoot 84 grs by weight. Out of my CVA Optima V2 50 cal LR nitride rifle. Both Hornady 250 gr .And the bore driver 290gr. Both went thru the deer.
Congratulations! I just bought a pack of the boredrivers and cannot get the second bullet seated using whitehots in a CVA optima v2 .I've never had that problem with anything else I've tried. Any suggestions why that's happening?
I need to mess with mine again, but my optima was hard to load too, and I too was using white hots, but also tried pyrodex and trip 777 pellets, so not sure the powder is the issue. Mine is a nitride version. I probably bought mine 3 yrs ago to mess around with bh209 powder. Haven't tried that powder yet, though. I plan to play around with different bullets/sabots, but I do feel mine is a bit of a tight bore. One thing I'm trying is the crush rib sabots. They are supposed to load easier, and I did notice that the bullets I put in them, seamed to fit better in the sabot, than ones I was using. I had a t/c triumph already, before I had the optima, and just went back to it the last few yrs. Was planning on the optima be a bit longer range setup. One of my friends also has a optima, and said his bore was hard to load. He said he scrubbed the bore with acetone, and it improved. I may try that too.
That's interesting that the WhiteHots would do it but in the Triple 7 or Pyrodex. They all left a pretty good for me to push through. How close to seated were you? Just curious I assume its the ring that's only thing that would make sense to me. Maybe try shooting a round, removing the plug, and try to "seat' another round without pellets and see where you are in relation to the ring. The only other thing would be buildup on the plug, again depending on how close to seated you are. One would like that one shot would cause that much buildup but maybe. I wish I had a 100% answer for you.
SHOT MY BUCK WITH A CVA ACCURA V2 AND BARNES TEZ 250 GRAIN AT 65 YDS 2 TRIPLE 7 MAG PELLETS PUT IT DOWN ON THE SPOT. WE TRACKED MY DAUGHTER'S DEER 100 YDS NICE BLOOD TRAIL. SHE GETS A FULL SHOULDER MOUNT, SHE EARNED IT!
That’s awesome. I can see that I had to track my as you saw. I may go ahead and setup a load with the TEZ. Don’t remember off hand if I have the 250 or 290s. But I also have the Thors😁 so many to try out.
Awesome. I actually just bought the same exact one even down to the camo/ color !! I have the silver/ black regular optima v2 also. I enjoy your muzzleloader content, as it helps with the homework lol
Cool
Thank you. No matter how long you have been hunting the nerves still get you. Thanks for watching
Just bought my 1st muzzleloader. I have been rifle hunting for many years. Your videos are very informative for a new muzzleloader shooter
Glad to hear they are helping. Wish you luck out there brother. Thanks for watching.
again another nice deer buddy. i think you sold me on the ELD-x340gr heading out to the range today to put some groups together thanks again for all you do for our sport. SEMPER FI
I appreciate that brother. Please let me know how your groups go. I love hearing from you guys. The only way to get a general consensus on the rounds. Thanks again. SEMPER FI
Nice buck and a great shot
Thank you and thanks for watching
Congrats DJ! Nice buck!
Just wanted to thank you for all the content and testing you have provided. It all helped me get a 10pt of my own here in Minnesota.
Thank you for watching. Go get’em brother!!! Good luck out there!!!
Super nice, love it when meat hits the freezer...
Keep up the good work.
Beanz...
Thank you. And thank you for watching
Congratulations on the nice buck, and thanks for the videos
Thank you. And thank you for watching.
Eldx vs FTX video?? Love your stuff…thanks so much!
I’ve done a separate ladder test on each, as well as a hunt with each. But I do let the idea of picking up some ballistics gel and running a 100 yards test🤔 but in my rifle the ELD-X group better and hit harder. Thanks for the idea and thanks for watching.
@@suburbanhunt3653 I know loads and weight of bullets are different…but is there much recoil difference between the two? And speed data??
@@pastornate0827 recoil… I didn’t really notice a lot of difference but I was focus on the shots. Speed data.. I will doing anothe video for that. Ya’ll have let me know that I messed up by not providing that lol. Give some time and I will get it for you.
This is true..I'm hunting in a tree lounge in Uwharrie National forest..right now..a few minutes ago a small group of campers and or hikers just put up.a tent or two tents 200 to 300 yards away..this is when a guy must man up and adapt and overcome(marine phrase in the movie Heart break ridge)..obviously I got to put out maximum effort in the future..this will make me stronger and smarter and definitely wiser
That’s a new one. Time to pivot😁 Good luck
@suburbanhunt3653 this is true but it's unbelievable..I'm setting just about in the same area in Uwharrie National forest north Carolina..2 years ago veterans day..two guys are making alot of noise hammering and talking..they get in front of me about 75 yards and I see there putting up signs on trees..I get down and walk towards them.i ask what are you doing..I looked and there signs say ...behind the sign private property no trespassing..that mourning I was hunting on forest property..right now all of a sudden I'm trespassing on private property with a firearm..a felony..they said that the landowner bought a portion of land from the forest service and when he dies it all goes to forest property..so I moved my stand 100 yards and hunted on forest land which that mourning was private land...the land owner found me the next day and asked me to tell him what happened..he apologized and said that from now on I have total access to any of his land because his guys didn't do this right ..I still only hunt on the forest side but a few weeks later I shot a 8 point 229 pounds..I would have killed him if I hadn't move 100 yards but that is 100% true..that's my biggest ever..I mentioned to these guys putting up signs that I found a pot field close buy...obviously they told the land owner and he obviously decided that he and I need to be friends...
@@randyjohnson6845 - wow what a story. Love it.
That's a fantastic deer... Nice Job!
I appreciate that. Thanks for watching.
It's July 4th hope you have a good day while I watch this video again, still good 👍 and congrats on a nice deer.
Thank you Happy Independence Day and thank you for watching.
It's the last week of muzzleloader season here in Texas and I'm using the same Hornady bore driver 290 grain FTX, at about rt yards I had the same problem with not going all the way through stopped past the shoulder on the other side but I will say this went through both shoulders through both lungs and the top of the heart it fell where I hit it.
I do like pass-throughs if they run away I like pass-throughs
Indeed passthrough are always best for tracking an animal. But DRT is DRT!!! Even without the pass through the amount of blood that I had was very easy to track. Thanks for watching and good luck out there.
Super nice buck DJ congrats for taking him cleanly . Always fun hunting with good buddies, congrats to all.
Thank you. That’s the reason for so much testing. Respect for the animal. Humane harvest. Thanks for watching
Nice buck. My testing is showing ELR and Bore Drivers are hitting real close to each other so I can basically use either though I prefer Hornady. Next state down from me gun season opens in a week or so and we get to target bucks again as my in state tags are filled for bucks unless I use a bow. My ten pointer had dinky horns compared to yours!
Had an ELR pass through on one deer this year with ZERO blood trail. Double lung and the top of the heart was damaged. He only went 30 yards. But ZERO blood the first 20 feet. If you are SURE of your shot your deer is down close by, blood or no blood. Don't EVER assume you missed if you are sure you shot well.
Ground level shots sometimes are a problem as the body needs to fill with blood before it leaks out the hole, and a high lung shot may not leave much at first. Shot from tree stands there is a downward bias and the exit holes are likely lower for a better blood trail. Never assume you missed though!
As long as you enjoyed the hunt that is all that matters. A good clean ethical shot is all you can ask for. As for the blood trail.. you are 100% correct. That why I prefer to be elevated when I hunt. That and vantage point. Aim point and impact are close to the same on my as well. That allowed me to go straight from the doe to buck with different projectiles and no scope change
MY DAUGHTER SHOT BIG 8 PT 2ND DAY WITH CVA OPTIMA V2 USING 2 TRIPLE 7 MAGNUM PELLETS AND A FTX 290 GR. AT 75 YDS. SHE'S HAS NOW HUNTED FOUR YEARS SHOT FOUR BUCKS THIS WAS HER BIGGEST, WITH 4 SHOTS WITH 4 DIFFERENT GUNS ALL SHOTGUNS OR MZ!! ONE SHOT ONE KILLS, MARINE CORPS MARKSMANSHIP TRAINED BY ME. SEMPER FI CONGRATS ON YOUR BUCK.
That’s amazing!!! Congratulations to her. Sound like you have done an amazing job passing down our traditions. SEMPER FI brother!!
Great deer and shot
What powder and amount?
Weight of buck
Weight of the doe
I’m using Blackhorn 209 75gr by weight.
I’m not sure on the weights of the animal. We process the meat ourselves. So they go straight to the gutting tree. We debone when we process rather then quarter so I honestly have mo clue
@suburbanhunt3653 both deer looked big and mature
@@randyjohnson6845 when I shot the doe it looked smaller but when I got closer it was better the I thought. Thanks for watching
Plan to buy my first muzzleloader a CVA Wolf V2 and use White Hots with the Hornaday FTX you used. Got a real education on the shortage of powder and primers. Only primers I can find are Cheddite. Will they work with the White Hots and Hornaday?
Absolutely!!! Cheddite is right up there with the CCI mag primers. I have ever only had one issue with them in the combo and honestly I'm leaning toward powder. It was a squib load. Which means the primer still went off. That one in all of my testing. I would say you're safe. Wish you the best of luck. FTX are great rounds. If you go through a shoulder you may not get a pass through but I still had a heck of a blood trail.
Good job. Are u shooting 100 gr blackhorn? I am shoot 84 grs by weight. Out of my CVA Optima V2 50 cal LR nitride rifle. Both Hornady 250 gr .And the bore driver 290gr. Both went thru the deer.
I was running 75gr by weight. That close to 110gr by volume. Hitting that shoulder slowed it down pretty good
Congratulations! I just bought a pack of the boredrivers and cannot get the second bullet seated using whitehots in a CVA optima v2 .I've never had that problem with anything else I've tried. Any suggestions why that's happening?
I need to mess with mine again, but my optima was hard to load too, and I too was using white hots, but also tried pyrodex and trip 777 pellets, so not sure the powder is the issue. Mine is a nitride version. I probably bought mine 3 yrs ago to mess around with bh209 powder. Haven't tried that powder yet, though. I plan to play around with different bullets/sabots, but I do feel mine is a bit of a tight bore. One thing I'm trying is the crush rib sabots. They are supposed to load easier, and I did notice that the bullets I put in them, seamed to fit better in the sabot, than ones I was using. I had a t/c triumph already, before I had the optima, and just went back to it the last few yrs. Was planning on the optima be a bit longer range setup. One of my friends also has a optima, and said his bore was hard to load. He said he scrubbed the bore with acetone, and it improved. I may try that too.
That's interesting that the WhiteHots would do it but in the Triple 7 or Pyrodex. They all left a pretty good for me to push through. How close to seated were you? Just curious I assume its the ring that's only thing that would make sense to me. Maybe try shooting a round, removing the plug, and try to "seat' another round without pellets and see where you are in relation to the ring. The only other thing would be buildup on the plug, again depending on how close to seated you are. One would like that one shot would cause that much buildup but maybe. I wish I had a 100% answer for you.
SHOT MY BUCK WITH A CVA ACCURA V2 AND BARNES TEZ 250 GRAIN AT 65 YDS 2 TRIPLE 7 MAG PELLETS PUT IT DOWN ON THE SPOT. WE TRACKED MY DAUGHTER'S DEER 100 YDS NICE BLOOD TRAIL. SHE GETS A FULL SHOULDER MOUNT, SHE EARNED IT!
That’s awesome. I can see that I had to track my as you saw. I may go ahead and setup a load with the TEZ. Don’t remember off hand if I have the 250 or 290s. But I also have the Thors😁 so many to try out.
What muzzleloader do you shoot? Looks like a CVA optima v2 LR(long range)¿
That is 100% correct!! That’s the one I use in all my test. I love me a CVA. Had the Wolf before upgrading to the Optima V2. Thanks for watching.
Awesome. I actually just bought the same exact one even down to the camo/ color !! I have the silver/ black regular optima v2 also. I enjoy your muzzleloader content, as it helps with the homework lol