Stockport and its disused railway history.
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- In this video we visit the town of Stockport to the south of Manchester. We are looking at some railway history in the area. We start at The river Mersey at an old railway junction of the Cheshire lines committee . We look at archive railway photos to determine how Heaton Mersey Junction used to look. Then on to Tiviot Dale station which is now an abandoned railway station on a disused railway line. We enter the Tiviot dale disused railway tunnel. Inside the abandoned railway tunnel is some amazing railway architecture. The tunnel is cut into the red sandstone of Stockport. We then look at the Dodge hill air raid shelters . Finally we finish out urbex journey at the Brinnington tunnel
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Amazing to see how the M60 literally smashed its way through the area, I imagine it must have been a complex stretch of motorway to complete due to the rivers and the old railways.
Thanks as always Martin, really enjoyed watching this one.
This book would answer your question if you can find a copy. M63 - Motorway through a town: The story of the building of the M63 through Stockport and it's impact on the town.
I remember them building it.
The most complicated bit is probably the junction where the M60, M56 and A34 meet. Not only is the junction hemmed in by the river, but it is threaded in over and under three different railway lines, and when built, one of the slip roads encircled a hospital!
Fantastic home territory when I was a young fireman on steam traction.worked those lines and visited the old depot at Heaton Mersey both on and off duty .Great stuff Martin ❤️
Great stuff Antony
This is what pained me when they started banging on about a "Cross North" High Speed Line. You just knew they'd bulldoze a new line through the Countryside, knocking down houses left right and centre. Yet there are Disused lines aplenty, still in an abandoned state that with a bit of ingenuity, say as light rail tram-train networks, that could solve so much congestion.
I grew up in Brinnington from 1961. On your map where it shows Brinnington Hall now stands St Pauls primary school, and we lived 3 doors away. At the bottom of the school playing field is the stone wall on the top of the abutment to the entrance to the Brinnington tunnel ((Portwood end)as shown in your video. As a kid we use to stand on that wall and wait for the train coal waggons to come through the tunnel. If the train slowed down enough, we would jump on top of the coal and get a free ride into Tiviot Dale Station. Crazy days!
It seems a real shame previous councils pull them biuldings down,most of which would surely be some kind of national treasures.
Top Job Martin 👍👍
Bloody fantastic, as usual Martin. I take it you've had a look round Arnies Flickr page ? There's a few more of that area in there, including the sidings at Georges Rd. Arnie and I started on the railway together, 03-10-77 , as guards. We learned that road together, and got up to some great adventures and escapades . We did that much , back in the day. I had met Jimmy Maddox before I started on the job, he was a mate of the manager of the tyre depot I worked at , and I put some tyres on his car . Small world. Jimmy was a great bloke, as were just about all of them - the crack on the job was beyond belief. And the ale........Oh, Man !! The bank down from Woodley was known as 'A.W.B.', meaning unbraked trains were drawn slowly onto the branch at Woodley under extreme caution, the guard left his brake van and started to apply wagon handbrakes. The train moving all the while .When the driver considered he had enough brake force , a horn code would be sounded , and you'd get back on board. The M.O. was that sufficient handbrakes were to be applied so that power needed to be applied to draw the train downhill . You would then stop at Brinnington signal box, and lift the hand brakes .Local instructions in the General Appendix would have specified a time to make the descent, which, as enshrined in the Rule Book , 'Must not be reduced' Can Imagine this would give the health and safety police fits these days !
The truncated remains of the branch from Woodley remains in use , for stone trains and the G.M. waste trains, there being a sidings for the latter off the erstwhile branch. The gradient is falling severely at the stone terminal , and the road ends at a stop-block right up against a retaining wall underneath a Morrison's supermarket. Gets really snotty in leaf-fall season. And with about 2800 tons behind, you need to be a bit sharp and pay attention, else it will be 'clean up on aisle 9' !
There is still a refuge , in the sandstone wall , on the Northbound side of the M60 , just before going under the viaduct when heading South. Gives a good pointer to the exact location of the line, and how the motorway has taken it . We had good jobs over that road, especially a trip job , Target 29 , with a regular driver , Eric Clough. A lovely fella. You did the scrapyard at Geoges Road, and the the Cadbury's chocolate warehouse , where the Pets at home store is now. The job was often referred to as 'The chocolates' . You got a handout there off the warehouse blokes. Then off to Skelton to run-round and return , but often , Cloughie would stop at random , no regard for following traffic , timetables or wanting to get an early finish , to pick apples, hazelnuts and other wild offerings. All at leisurely pace , and nobody got too razzed about ti. All very gentlemanly . A few years back , at a Guide Bridge traincrew reunion , the last one Cloughie attended before he passed, he came up to me , and presented me with a bar of Cadbury's, 'Here y'are, mate, I got yer this' . priceless. He'd remebered me from all those years ago , and this really moved me . Then as soon as I'd put it down to go and get us both a pint, our kid scoffed it .Rotter. He was mortified when I tellt him from whence it came. Happy days . Bloody happy days. I miss them cruelly.
Wow, this is sentimental for me. My late father had a concrete testing and drilling company and I helped out one day drilling test cores along the roof in the Tiviot Dale tunnel - this was to , I assume , see what the strata was , above the brickwork. I am not sure if this was anything to do with the damage caused by the motorway but it was a working line when we were there. Great to see it - thanks for the video Martin, outstanding as usual.
I live in Stockport and growing up been fascinated with it's history, and learnt a lot about the old Woodley line having grown up in brinnington right by its old line. Not many people know but tucked off in a bit off a hidden section of woodland cut off between lower bredbury and the motorway a good section of the old line still exists with the old sleepers and evidence of rails still in the ground. One of my favourite spots as it's the only real piece of it left to see
So happy to find this Martin and that people such as yourself exist. My grandad was an engine driver. He lived right beside the Cheshire Lines track you’ve explored here. I’ve been trying to visualise where the line would be and the station. Never thought I’d have it revealed to me so clearly. Lucky me. Thank you very much indeed. Great archive x
always good to see a class 40 in it's natural habitat
Definitely
Another great vid Martin. As soon as I saw the pic of the 40 I knew it would be one of Arnies! Top man. He’s got some really good stuff on Flickr.
They really hit the spot :)
Thanks Arnie for the amazing pictures, really helped..
That steel support in the tunnel below the Church was incredible. Nice work guys. God bless
Thanks Darren
It's a shame that for so many different reasons that's not going to last as a solution.
Driven on that bit of the M60 before and never realized that tunnel was there. Thanks Martin
Proud to have all this history on my door step. Born in 78 had to believe the disused stations still existed then. Heard many times how these tracks and tunnels were still there after all these years. Thanks for the history lesson. Now I know why the deadline is just up from the tiviot. Great vlog
Be interesting to see if you could dig up some history of the canal that used to go through stockport. Outside one of the mills in reddish there’s a piece of it remaining.
Hi Martin. As regards the old Cheshire Lines Railway through Stockport Tiviot Dale as it was, I worked one of the last freight trains through that section from Heaton Mersey to Portwood back in 1980, very soon after that damage was done from an excavator. That was when I was a guard at Buxton, taking stone to a depot at Portwood owned by Tilcon, which got demolished to make way for a Tesco hypermarket. Arnie Furniss, I knew quite well because he started on the railway the same time as me, and we were on the same course at Manchester Victoria guards training school, back in 1977. By coincidence, when I started to train as a driver at Crewe in 1989, Arnie was on that one as well! The particular line through the old Tiviot Dale was relaid with hew track in parts, back in 1978, and what a waste. There was another tunnel along that line which went under the huge Stockport viaduct, called Wellington Road tunnel. Anyhow thanks for this presentation, Martin, and your team, it's brilliant.
Thanks Ffranc great that you knew Arnie
Martin please say "Thanks" to your team for this fine watch. Hey James "Choo Choo." Your videos have come so far along, the narration, information, old maps and photos and yes the banter between the team is all top-notch. Love the "Oh, they left the gate open" lol. Those tarts will make for a tight fit. Thanks again and keep History Alive.....
The tarts were great, Thanks Mike
Did I miss something in this video? What tarts and their tight fit? I didn’t see any women with the team. So what went on in that tunnel? Can someone explain?
Great video Martin and Co, very enjoyable! 👏🙂
I explored the railway around Heaton Mersey in the early 1980's.
At that time the CLC Bridge over the Mersey was still in situ, also the track, albeit with rusty rails.
Eventually it was all cleared to make way for the motorway, I think the bridge was demolished around 1986.
Wish I had seen that
I think one of the bridges was blown up by the Army as a training exercise.
It always fascinates me how fast nature takes back it's land as soon as people leave the area, you would think nobody has been there for 200 years but it's actually not so long ago.
It's starting to take back that block over the Tame next to the motorway as well. Weeds growing out of brickwork are never a good thing!
Many memories of the Tiviot (Teviot) Dale Station, I was on the last passenger train to run to Glazebrook and return in the January. As we left the station closed for the final time.
The lines to the far top left of aerial photo were Heaton Mersey engine shed.
I've lots of stories of the area, I lived up the line in Woodley.
Yeah . Mersey men .....'Couldn't get up on 't coaling stage without a run-up and a banker!' And never strayed out of dight of Sykes' bleachworks chimney.
I remember crossing the skew bridge many time as a kid it was a buzz especially if a train came over, as you used to cross inside the bridge magic memories
Bloody brilliant, gents. A fine Sunday walk without leaving my chair! Fascinating places, and great photos, by someone who remembers the railway in action.
Was the music by Dean again? If so, it was particularly magnificent this time - he's always great, but he outdid himself here. Epic stuff!
As always, thank you for sharing. Nice one.
Yes, big thumbs up for the music from me..
Martin & crew, absolutely fantastic stuff, thank you so so much, all of you, for your blood, sweat and tears!
I have lived in Stockport most of my life, apart from a few years away in London and Manchester. On Chestergate in Stockport Town Centre (adjacent to Merseyway shopping centre), there is a complex of underground shelters, now re-opened as an attraction. I have been down the re-opened shelter, but never been down the Dodge Hill tunnels. But, someone I knew (sadly departed now) reckoned he went down in 1977 and reckons the Dodge Hill tunnels were linked to the main tunnels in Chestergate, before the M63 (now M60) cut them off. 28dayslater have got some good pics inside Dodge Hill tunnels. There also used to be tunnel entrances cut into the rock on the L/H/S as you go up Brinksway. He said they were linked, too. Now, whether they actually were or not, I'm not sure. It's a fair way between Brinksway and Chestergate!
Hi Simon
Your friend was quite right they did all link up in 1970 went down the old air raid shelters lots of times saw all the old bunk beds.
rooms with open toilets. It got so bad with chalk marks on the wall to show the way back we once got lost ,but eventually after panicking found the way out. Lol
Cheers for making this lads. 👍 It’s nice to see some parts of where I live that I haven’t yet explored. I loved the tunnel that you were climbing through with the big frame inside. I’m glad I don’t live above it though.
At the demolished U/Bri. over the R.Tame, we caught a glance of a stencilled ELR = Engineer's Line Reference = WJP1.
That's "Glazebrook East Junction to Woodley Junction." This section stretches between mileages "24mi. 57ch. & 40mi. 42ch.," counting from the old Liverpool Central terminus (Cheshire Lines Committee).
This route was heavily used (up until 1980/81?) chiefly by coal trains (having passed beneath the Pennines from S.Yorks thru' the Woodhead Tunnel - which itself closed July 1981) feeding Fiddler's Ferry Power Station, nr Warrington. BR abandoned the line in 1982 and lifted one track in 1983/84, and finally the 2nd in 1986, together with the bridge over the R.Tame.
Perfect end to the weekend, Martin doubled over in a tunnel. Happy Swede!
I noted it said Chorley to New Mills, (yellow lines)when it should be Chorlton(cum -Hardy) to New Mills, via Cheadle Heath stn(now Morrisons).The pic at around 5:50, shows the loco shed,top left, next to the Mersey,.the junction you see on the right, is Heaton Mersey East, and the line curving away, went to Manchester Central, and joined the line from Cheadle Heath station,which travelled over the Girder bridge you show at 4;06. Teviot Dale is believed to be the place where Bonnie Prince Charlie passed through the town,,and maybe set up camp with the troops,in 1745..as there are Teviots in Scotland..therefore Teviot Dale remained as such, the original signalbox at the tunnel mouth, was also named Teviot Dale..which survived until the later Cheshire Lines one was built at the Portwood end of the station, and was named "Stockport", although the station was re-named Tiviot Dale until 1967. The cutting was known as Stewart Street cutting,and had a signalbox located there, probably at the time of the original box on the station, named Teviot ..I saw 40129 many times on this route..I never realised there were air-raid shelters under Dodge Hill,but did know, there were a lot of shelters, of several miles in total, under the town,and linked to each other...Brinnington Jct, usec to branch off to the left from the Tiviot Dale line, and went round to the left, to Reddish Jct, near North station( connectiing with the line to Romiley from Manchester), which closed in 1970, the main line you followed, through the tunnel went to Woodley, and at Bredbury, there was another jct, that went right, and also went to Romiley,where 3 routes converged,,Good vid, and brave to explore the tunnels and shelters. I hope my comments are of interest.
I walked through there in about 1985 before it was filed in and the frame work was fitted.
I often tell people that one of my all-time favourite places is where the river Mersey runs through Stockport/South Manchester, and I'm not kidding. Hard to believe that express trains to and from London once ran regularly across the river!
They still do, about every 20 minutes
@@apb3251 Yeah I I know, I meant at that particular point on the river, ie the crazy junction with the flyover. And besides, you can hardly even see the river from high up on the viaduct as you travel over it today
@@kingnotail3838 ah understood. Yeah that crossing never went to London. It was Manchester to Portwood (where the roundabout is now) or New Mills, part of the old route is reused again as part of the Manchester metro and stops at Didsbury/Burnage but carried on through Heaton Mersey
@@apb3251 The north-south crossing was on the route to London, via the Midland line through the peak district
I used to play In the railway tunnel in the 80’s before it was filled in, been all through the air raid shelters and the other railway tunnel going under the a6, there’s an air raid shelter at the back of the Audi dealership at the bottom of brinksway, there’s also an entrance on underbank to the air raid shelter where they do tours
Fabulous video Martin & co and the old pictures that were supplied by the kind gentleman really brought it life and gave it real content. I never knew there was so either side and under the M60 where you were. The times I've driven past. A thoroughly enjoyable half hour of educational entertainment.
So sad, beautiful old station...
From the age of 9 I grew up in Stockport and when I got married bought a house in Denton. So when the M60, or M63 I think it was then, was extended through Stockport I used it a lot. In fact I walked along the new section with hundreds of others on the day the Mayor cut the ribbon. However, I'm sure can remember seeing the roof of a diesel locomotive jutting above the wall of the cutting not long after the opening of that part of the motorway.
Cheers Martin and the team...... Used to play on the line as a kid as it passed through Crookiley Woods. Putting 2 pence pieces on the line when a train was approaching and other more unspeakable habits. It acted as an unspoken border between Bredbury and Brinnington. Only the brave would pass from one side of the line to the other, it was rather an acrimonious relationship between the gangs of kids The Breddies & Brinnies. Features included the Cammies (Camels) Hump and The Top Field. Much of which was swept away by the M60. It was only ever a freight line in my life and the trains were very long and infrequent. I might be wrong here, but I think as well as heading up to Woodley it also branched off and passed through Bredbury Station at a lower level than the main line. That area has now been filled in and has housing on it.
A couple of relics of the old railway that you missed - as you head into Stockport from the west along the A5145, there is a VW dealer's (Inchcape) on the left. As the road drops, the forecourt of the dealership remains level as it is on top of a retaining wall, having been part of the old George's Road goods yard. At George's Road itself there is a bridge pillar missing its bridge deck.
Brilliant again Martin many thanks.
Liverpool City Council are missing a trick here.
Clean the site and open it up as a tourist attraction.
Keep safe dry warm and virus free.
Very cool that structure in the tunnel. Enjoyed the weir too, neat adventure.
What a wonderful explore with the crew! Its so impressive to me, how quickly the trees and undergrowth hide the old structures.
Your always wecolme in Stockport. Loads to see
They say before closure of the rail line you could get a train from Rose Marple / New Mills Central and be in Teviot Dale station in 10 mins, during the rush hour !! Now if you get the alternative bus ,during the rush hour , in takes just over an hour !! Hey that's progress for you !!
wow''''' drove past that church, never would of know there was a tunnel behind 😮😮
And Martin doing the switch-a-roo! being usually it's James with the treats, But ohhhh No, BOOM out come the Portuguese tarts, well done on those fella ✊🏼🤟🏻💯#wickedvideo have a smashing weekend ahead 💯🙏
Just what my Sunday needed. Top stuff 👌🏻
Cheers Paul
Fascinating video, I grew up in Stockport and always wanted to see Tiviot Dale tunnel. Remember being able to see cutting where the kids 'cabbed' the loco from the road going over the m60 back in the day. Never seen the weir before or that tunnel at the end of the vid....makes me question what I actually missed out on exploring as a kid 🤣🤣🤣 great vid, thanks!
INTERESTING FACT: you can see the letters “WJP1” spraypainted on the brickwork throughout this video. This is an ELR (Engineers Line Reference) I think WJP1 stood for Woodley Junction to Partington.
The WJP2 was a continuation from Northenden Junction to Partington
I cabbed a few steam trains back in the mid 1950's.
Absolutely brilliant video many many thanks👍
Thanks Steven
Fantastic stuff, I can't believe how much I got drawn in.
We get this quality of informative and entertaining content on TH-cam from your team. It really shows how poor the mainstream TV is with "reality" shows repeated American content.
If there was any justice creators like yourself would have a place on mainstream TV and a share of their budget
I'm from the US and never watch that "reality drivel". Born in 1952 and now retired I usually spend a few hours each evening watching hours of stuff like "martins" and many other youtube content makers, all superior quality compared to regular tv as far as I am concerned.
Unless there was a good structural reason, I think it's criminal permanently sealing up those shelter tunnels!
Probably for insurance reasons.
Weren't sealed when I went in this year.
People were probably using them for illegal activities.
Another fantastic video, Martin & team. Thank you so much
That platform in the woods, wonder if there are any ghosts waiting for the next train? BREW TIME, you treat us sir! Never seen strengtheners like that, fascinating :) Loads of variety in that one, enjoyed it :)
Yet another fascinating video from you and the gang 👍
Thanks Martin another brilliant video love to see abandoned tunnels. Looking faward to the next one.
Yet another great video. Thank you, Martin and gang.
I thoroughly enjoyed that! I grew up in Sale and had no idea of the history of the railway line and the tunnel underneath the church
To be honest I knew very little and thanks
@@MartinZero it was really interesting because I have zoomed past loads of times
Awesome vid Mart, loved those old photos by Arnie, you wouldn't see stuff like that these days!
Thank you for the fantastic tour today. A real journey back in time. Cheers mates.
Really enjoyed this video & I can’t believe how green Stockport was.
Great video, my dad's family all worked on the railways, my dad was on the footplate of munitions trains during WWII, his dad was a plate layer he worked on the railways from coming home after WWI untill he retired, my great grandfather was a signal man, and I had a great uncle who was also a railway worker, I grew up listening to trains go by in Edgerely both diesel and electric, and still love the sound.
Another cracking explore, thanks guys, and Arnie - great B & Ws with a story behind them plus showing then and now, you just don't know what's next to you or beneath your feet. Great stuff Martin. James actually had a teaspoon!!!!!! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Great video. Know the area well and you showed us a new side. Thank you.
I love the old stories of the way Britain was shaped through industrialisation and development... and I like the term "Disused" rather than "Abandoned"
Cheers Steve
Top job lads, really enjoyable watch, thank you.
Fascinating. I'd read that the Luftwaffe had destroyed half of Stockport, which was rebuilt with ugly modernist buildings. With the historical photos and your research, it was still a decent town going into the 1980s! It was urban renewal and the bloody motorway that did the town in. Stockport's a f*cking mess now, only a few grand old buildings like some old cinemas, the Hat Museum, and the Town Hall. Biking along the Mersey I'd come across another abutment about a km upstream, must've been for the northern continuation of the Midland Ry line. Cheers mate!
Thank you guys, thank you Arnie, wonderful vid 🙏
Great video Martin, you packed in a lot of interesting things for us to enjoy. Good to see the lads enjoying the upgraded snacks as well. Keep up the good work :)
Thanks Martin for a fantastic vlog with all the historical info'. Take care and all the best. Stevie
another cracking video guys, really interesting stuff!
Thank you for documenting our local history. I'm hooked on your videos
Martin, you and your channel are real gems may you both shine for a long time to come. Now to the miracle - James brought a spoon!
Thank yous to both Liam and Roy for their expertise.
Fascinating and informative video gents. Great to see, although very sad, the railway history that went through here. That tunnel walk was fascinating. Well done lads the tea and Portiguese tarts at the end were well deserved 👍
Echoing everyone else. Simply wonderful. I could watch these all day. Perfect historical context. You could spend the next hundred years covering old railways in towns like this, and that would probably just cover the Midlands.
Your work is appreciated!
And best wishes to the rest is the crew.
Thanks Martin and the team for a very interesting vlog I have walked a lot of the line but not through the tunnel and to see the supports fascinating
Great video as always guys. Looked great and a lot of fun. Great view's. Thanks for showing this video. Keep doing what you are doing. I look forward to seeing your videos. I love reading maps to do with the railway. Thanks again guys.
Thank you Martin and friends ! A very enjoyable ramble through historical landmarks long gone and full of memories ...Loved it ☺
Very nice video Martin! The photos really helped to bring the video and the history 'to life'.
Brilliant. Filming excellent. You all had so much fun. Great brew and good cake. All that history you were exploring was amazing. What a wealth of info and research you put into the video. Thank you so much. Old photos very nostalgic looking back.
Good to see you back Martin.
Thanks Martin and Crew a very interesting little video when the built the motorway never thought the railway line Would ever be used again
Finally ... been telling you to do Stocky for a while .. some new stuff I didnt know about too .. Glad to see they got the lights in Brinny Tunnel working ... and its normally a swimming pool when I go for my lunchtime walks through there LOL ... Nice video as always :)
Really brilliant video thank you Martin
Just found your channel today, i live in heaton mersey not far from the first bridge crossing you covered and remember it well as a kid in the late 70's -Early 80's. We even used to cycle up & down the motorway whilst under construction at the slip road at the pyramid roundabout. Amazing video and some of it was even new to me & ive lived in the area since 1973. Great video, looking forward to the next.
I just love how the same places feature in different videos but each video deals with a different topic. Referencing the other videos for context but not confusing things by trying to tell the different historical points all in one. Decades of driving trucks and visiting the area, passing things that went unseen or spotting something and wondering what the story was, these videos have answered some of those long forgotten questions. Fascinating as always Martin.
Magic video Martin, never knew any of that was there zooming past at 70 mph. More railway stuff as well please, thanks for that............................👌👌
That was a cracking video and really interesting.
I've used the Britain From Above website a lot when researching Liverpool's old docklands and its railways and it really is, like you say,
a great way to put some reality into old maps.
Also having Arnie to put first hand stories into an old photo was a nice bonus.
Top job.
What a contrast between the tunnel when it was in use and now !! Hidden history another great video Martin !
Brilliant video. I remember some of the Tiviot / Portwood area before the motorway, as I would travel with my dad in his lorry bringing stone for the M63 construction from Buxton. Great pics from Arnie too!!
If you walk down Lancashire hill, where the bridge crosses over the motorway, you can see the top of the bricks where the old tunnel was. Continue to the bottom of the road and cross the main road. Close to where the solicitors building is, you can see the old stone gateposts where the entrance to the station was.
Fascinating stuff , thanks for the vid .
Martin !!! Another classic MZ video!! Thanks so much . Love the "industrial" electro music. Drone shots, tunnels , old maps, old photos bridges...a brew! All the ingredients that go to make up a classic MZ film. And of course great history. Well done👍
Great vid lads, never thought Stockport was so interesting! Luv the piccy of the lads on the reinforcing girders in the tunnel,reminded me of an album cover :)
From Arnie, to you to us. The true spirit of sharing, I love it!
Another great explore marvellously enhanced with maps and old photos.
Excellent video guy's, Stockport was a hive of rail activity back in the day, this was very interesting to watch.
Amazing what you can explore when you're slim. I found that Brinny tunnel after about half a mile of starting the Trans Pennine Trail walk. The first of many wrong turns due to lack of signs. Thanks for the rest . I have no recollections of a working railway going in that direction.
another top quality production.
love seeing comparison photos, especially the train waiting to go into the tunnel and then the second photos once it came out.
driven past that area many times and never knew it was there.
Cheers Nigel
Thank you Martin and team. These pictures feel like time travel. You always have the best brew up and I am not there to share.
That was another great video Martin.
Enjoyable video Martin, thanks guys.
A great accompaniment to my Sunday dinner; thank you Martin, James, Liam and Roy. I've spent too much time driving on the M60 there, good to see there is beauty and history not too far away wherever you go.