I remember this quite clearly Dave. I was eleven years old at the time and lived near Mansfield. Two miners from Blidworth colliery were in the queue at the chippy when the panda car veered to a stop. Straight away, without any thought for their own safety they lept at Neilson and subdued him till the two coppers could slip him in handcuffs. By "subdued" I mean roughed him up so badly that he was definitely incapacitated. At the time they had no idea that they'd helped in the arrest of none other than the Black Panther himself.
Great story, I remember it well I am a few years younger and was a kid at the time. Thanks for posting, love the colour of the classic 350. I have an Interceptor 650 and just love it.
I thoroughly enjoyed this documentary. Your guardian angel has certainly been busy for many years! Thanks for putting this together and posting it for us.
Really interesting story that! We're about the same age and i remember the news paper headlines and hearing about that poor girl leslie whittle. Goes to show you never know what danger lies around the corner !!! Especially if you're a kid and up to mischief!! Thanks for sharing 👍
Excellent story telling! I am just a tad older than you and lived in Wrose at that time, I still live locally but haven’t been into Bradford for years, so to have a bit of a tour during this video was very interesting!
What an interesting story. Enjoyed seeing your city childhood area and I'm sure Norman also got to enjoy being there. The city is so much different than in the U S. Some stores and gas stations are the same but the architecture is unique and beautiful. Grand story it was. 👍👍.
I have vague memories of my dad being taken for questioning, he was reported after the wearside Jack tapes were released, because he was a Geordie they thought he was the Yorkshire ripper.
A close call indeed. Whenever I hear you call your bike by name, I always think of Norman Wisdom, and that is not meant to be derogatory at all, I loved Norman Wisdom. Your 350's colour reminds me of 1950's American cars with big fins, white wall tyres and art deco buildings for some strange reason; absolutely beautiful. I am a couple of years older than you and grew up in a little fishing town in Cornwall; also enjoying a near feral childhood. I remember first starting school. My mother walked me to the gates on the first day, about a mile, and after that I walked alone, and it wasn't just me either. All the kids who lived within walking distance did the same. I think we were six when we started primary school. Better days in many ways. Enjoyed the look around your old stomping ground; thanks.
Really enjoyed that TBW. You’d clearly put some thought into that taking us on a ride to the place. Thanks very much. Oh and you clearly know how to name pie shops and streets up north 😂
From (allegedly) stealing wood to almost becoming a "cat burglar" 🤣. Thanks for the fascinating story Sir, and for taking us on a nice little ride back to your childhood.
A great story and ride through Bradford. I have ridden and driven that route quite a few times myself. My sister used to live in Baildon & Shipley so I would often visit there as a young teenager. In my mid teens I got involved in quite a bit of petty crimes which resulted in me spending a while in one or two of Her Majesties long term hotels (if you know what I mean). One day whilst being escorted to my work duties, the officer stopped outside a certain cell on the middle landing and asked me if I knew who the bloke inside it was. After careful consideration I said that I didn't know him. I was then told it was Donald Nielson aka the Black Panther. To which I replied that I didn't think he looked like much and didn't look like the kind of person to commit such heinous crimes as he did. It is a long time ago now but I do still remember the look he gave me. Now it would concern me but at the time I was young, fit and headstrong and scared of nothing. Oh to be young again, lol...........
Thanks for the great story, really glad that you survived to tell the tale. I have the most tenuous of links to your story, a short time after Neilson was apprehended by those brave officers and members of the public in Rainworth I was riding on my Suzuki GT250 on Derby Road Annesley Notts when I was wiped out by a car pulling out of a junction. Although I felt fine and only had a few scapes and bruises the traffic officers who attended decided they'd take me to Mansfield General for a checkup. I noticed a plaque mounted on the dashboard of the traffic car (Triumph Dolomite Sprint) that said that the vehicle had conveyed Donald Neilson from Mansfield to Court for his first hearing. I had a good chat with the officers who were justly proud of the part they'd played in the Neilson story. Also just to say thanks for the great videos, I only recently started following you and have enjoyed every one I've seen. Cheers
Subscribed! I was born in bingley 1957 lived thereabouts until 1990. I'm still motor cycling that's how I came to look at your video. The road trip brought back a lot of memories. Also, the story because I remember everything you said. I forgive you for being a rozzer (lol).
A very interesting story and one that brought back some memories. This case was one of my early memories too but for different reasons. The Whittle family were well known in my local area as they owned a local coach firm and where I'm sat right now is only 10 miles from the house where Lesley Whittle was kidnapped from and I still ass it regularly. Even though I was very young I can remember how it shocked the local community as they were just local business people with seemingly no enemies and it was tragic when they found her body.
I Remember the Black Panther Dave .in fact i went on a Panther owners rally in the very early nineties and it was held a the village were just down the road from whare he held Leslie Whittle, i can remember thinking at the time how darkly ironic that the Panther owners club had chosen the site for that years rally 😮
Eyup Dave , I just love the way you talk to Norman! I talk to my 350 also these bikes have a soul as you know sir PS, great childhood story loved it take care mate.
Chumping, that brings back memories. Subscribed again, must have dropped off the list. Also your rides around Nidderdale were my go to area in the sixties and seventies when out on my motorbike.
Good Morning Dave , WOW this is a very interesting video for sure ,very lucky as a young lad , when my dad remarried & living in keighley ( ie a geordie lorry driver ) he was interviewed twice by the police because of the Yorkshire Ripper so take care
Good morning Dave, lovely story and strangely enough the scenery made a nice change and stirred an awful lot of memories. Like so many of our generation albeit I’m 2 years older we were brought up in council / corporation houses as that’s all our parents could afford. It’s sad to see that we have such little local authority housing nowadays, I recall my dad took great pride in the garden and won a couple of prizes for it. There was a lot more pride back in those days. I recall seeing a documentary on Neilson some years ago and it showed his garage / shed where he hid his shotgun, made his own ammunition and other contraptions used in the kidnapping of Leslie Whittle. If the death penalty was ever called for it should have been for that piece of 💩. Finally how can you be so cruel to poor Norman rough roading him. Great start to the day, thank you
Cheers my friend yes back then some of the council houses had pristine manicured lawns and often next door’s would be a dump….great contrasts but a credit to many council tenants. Norman is slowly recovering from my callous exploitation of his good will 😂
Well that was goooood, intriguing from start to finish, you are dead right evil could only be round the corner, remember it well I was 16 at the time, thanks Dave, keep up the good work,NW biker dude, alias bay Bimbler
Fascinating stuff Dave, reminds me of my mate and his wife who lived next door to Peter Tobin in Hove who is known to have killed 3 women but also believed to have killed more. My mate said he was always very polite and never gave any impression of the real person he was 👍
Spinechilling! I'm 2 years older than you and I remember the impact he had. I lived in a street where we helped each other. It wasn't all roses but in the end we all looked out for each other. Thank you for sharing this.
That was fascinating Dave. I bet those two poor Bobby’s that came to your house got some stick from their colleagues for missing Neilson. Like you I would have been scared to tell my dad about what happened at Neilsons yard. Coz I’d a got another clout for trying to nick his wood in the first place. Norman did well over the rough stuff, on road gearing too. Thanx Dave, really enjoyed this. Ride safe.
Very interesting , I remember it being on the news back in the day. When I was 6 to 9 years old a 15 year old delinquent used to be hanging about me & a friend . My mother told me to keep away from him ,as she said he wasn’t right in the head & he shouldn’t be trying to hang about with boys our age . To cut along story short ,my family moved away from the area, & a couple of years later my friend was found strangled to death on the railway . As it turned out it was the older lad my mother had told me to keep away from, that had murdered my friend . I often wonder if I could of suffered the same fate ,had my family not moved away. My mother also reckoned he also was the killer ,in the unsolved brutal murder of a young local married mother by stabbing in her home on a bleak thick foggy day a couple of years previous . My mates murderer worked as a delivery boy for a local grocer in the same area & was known to carry a knife regularly . It just goes to show how a twist of fate can alter our lives . 👍
I loved that Dave thanks. I had left the city by then (originally from Girlington) and I don't have any reason to visit these days but I particularly enjoyed the ride past Lister Park and where I had a flat on Spring Bank Place off Manningham Lane (my Mum was horrified!).
Very interesting life story riding around on Norman Wisdom, but no comedy at the time. I remember the story as l was 2 years older reading it on my paper round 😊
As a Bingley lad about 10 years your senior, I remember the time starkly! We also had a few other killers, The Yorkshire ripper, Micheal Sands, I knew both but didn't like either. There was another bloke from Tranmere Park Guisley, who killed 3 seperate people over the Christmas period. Then coming forward in time The Crossbow Canibal. So other places have Explores, Inventors, Leaders of men, and other all round Good Eggs. What do we have? Bloody Serial Killers! It must be something in the water?
Wow, watching this dunt arf bring back memories. When I were a nipper our next door neighbour was me auntie Ann and uncle Fred. They weren't even family. And the whittle family were only about 10 mile away from our house.
Great video what could have happened a movie in the making. My wife and I lived very close to an individual called Fred West in Gloucester who was convicted of terrible crimes and hid his victims in the foundations of a property he lived in which I later found out was close to where I purchased my first family home.
Great story Dave love hearing these sorts of things from celebrities we know of so you must be coming a celebrity on utube 😂 great story bit rough area where you lived as a child I would say plenty of those across the country I feel very lucky not to of grown up in areas like that I don’t mean posh for me I mean I was out in the countryside in all 5 places I’ve lived yes only 5 different places from birth till today at 63 1/2 don’t forget the half I was born September 1960 take care ride safe
I remember sitting across from my mate ,in a Cafe, when he opened his daily paper....and his face drained of all colour...I inquired what was wrong , he turned the paper round to reveal a picture of a man he'd had an argument with, in East London, a few days before, who transpired to be a Gangland Murderer....who killed a man and his 10 year old Son....
Seeing you riding along the A650, reminded me of when we bought our Honda NTV4650 in May 2004 and then my dream bike, the ST1300A3, in September 2004. Those bikes were bought from Bradford motorcycles. It's chilling hearing you talk about Nielson's history. Of course, going back along the A650, takes you into Sutcliffe's territory. I was born in March 1963.
@thebingleywheeler Remember Chez? He was a character. I remember the 4th September 2004 when I rode our brand new Pan home to Blackburn. I had to pull over on the A629 and tell Lynn, my wife, just how GOOD it was!! I'd had a 14 year break from motorcycling before I got the Deauville. Happy days. th-cam.com/video/L7whGoiy5og/w-d-xo.htmlsi=KPosHhQULwy442X7
G'day Dave. Mate I thoroughly enjoyed that yarn, thanks very much. How easily that could have gone bad for you way back then eh? I agree with you regarding the Photo-fit image. We used to use a system called Identikit here (Queensland, Australia). In my 31 years of policing I rarely saw one that looked even remotely like the offender! I guess everyone perceives things differently. They're done digitally now using a system called Comfit, and are thankfully a much more realistic image.
Hi Russ yes we had Identikit too……I think because they had a reputation for being wide of the mark a lot of cops back then didn’t take them too seriously which was probably why my incident didn’t raise suspicions
Young local tearaway becomes Police Officer. The reign of terror of Don Nielsen Cat in 'Take me Home. with you' mode....it's what they do!.Quite an eventful Ride..Regarding your Camera positioning...that we've spoken about...l think the neck mount works fine. Gives a similar view of a chin mount, plus its mounting is not a permanent fixture on your undoubtably expensive Arai....Lot of road works but pleasant tour of suburbia plus your musings of your childhood.
Hey up TBW, i remember this clearly, Nielson robbed a post office and murdered the post master in Haslingden which is about 5 miles from where i lived at that time, you could feel the pain and heartbreak of Lesley Whittles family when they got the news of their daughters sad end, he truely was an evil man....
You are 5 months older than me. Class of 79. A s a kid I too used to gather wood for bonfire night, building the fire on some waste ground a week before the night and guarding it from other gangs.
My 10yr old cousin was Moors Murder's Ian Brady and Myra Hindley's paper boy. Was often invited into their house in Hattersley for sweets. A very lucky boy indeed.
Hi Dave, I had the misfortune to be at the final dinner on my CID course in Preston the day Neilson was caught. Being the only Yorkshireman on the course I was targeted for abuse by the Detective Ch. Supt from Lancashire Joe Mounsey. I took it on the chin and smiled gracefully, but didn't reveal that Neilson actually lived on my patch. Had the misfortune to meet Peter Sutcliffe a few years later, when his garage was burgled. It's a small world and Bradford's had its fair share of monsters. Regards, Joe P.
Hi Joe always good to hear from you pal. A Lancs gaffer having a dig at a West Yorks Met PC (as it was by 1976 I believe)…..a familiar tale….yes we breed some right villains in Bradford
I hope that after he was nicked you and your pals went back the yard, helped yourselves and had the biggest bonfire ever seen in the area. 😂 Great story and I thought I had got into scrapes growing up around the same time!
Hi me dad used to mek me wait for him outside chip shop rainworth notts. N he always said that’s where they caught him. Never knew if it was true . Shit me up I would have been 10. Glad ya survived!!! 😅
1962, eh, Dave? Goodness, I joined the RAF in January of that year... Makes one feel slightly ancient! Good story and a lucky escape for you and your mates, I'd say. Neilson deserved a short drop and a sudden stop.
I had two chances to joint the RAF when younger and foolishly turned them down….what a mistake not to follow in my dad’s footsteps. I have to content myself now with an RAF surplus raincoat (with Air Vice Marshall epaulettes 😂)
@@thebingleywheeler Ah well, we do what we think is best at the time, Dave. Hindsight always gives 20/20 vision and you did ok anyway. Re the AVM's raincoat, my neighbour in Queensland was the real McCoy; RAAF, though. We were golfing partners and had drinks in each other's homes, many times. Given that I only made lowly Senior Aircraftman rank, that scenario wouldn't have happened in the UK; thankfully, Australia's far more egalitarian. 👍
I've just checked up on the Yorkshire Ripper, Peter Sutcliffe, he started his spree in 1975. I wonder if Neilson had been executed if Sutcliffe would have thought twice about his spree? Obviously the death penalty wasn't an option by then in the mid 70's. Yuve gone all Volcanic Brown now with a cat in shot😊
Wow! So many similarities. At the age of 69 I'm awaiting delivery of a meteor 350. Born in St lukes,1955, raised in thornbury on the estate off Gain lane. Had friends who lived around Woodhall rd. One lived about five doors down from Neilson. One sister lived on Fagley road and had some work done by Neilson. Scary!. Spent 30 years married life in Nab Wood and now live down the road from you in Crossflatts. Haven't driven through Bradford for years. Thornburys not the place it used to be. And we used to go chumping in Fagley woods.
i remember the bastard well - he hid that girl right near where we knocked around as kids, very close in fact and when it became apparent it was pretty scary times because of how often we were there.... i was a paperlad at the time and it was getting quite common for kids to be going missing and not coming home sadly - we cracked on though as you do, looking back it was a funny old time , glad i never became a statistic although i too had a close brush with being pinched and it was only street smarts from me and my mate gaz jones that saved me from what could have been a bad ending.....
Sadly I remember the kidnap and murder of Lesley Whittle. I live not far from where she was kidnapped from and pass what was her family home at the time frequently. If I remember correctly she was chosen as a victim because her family owned a local coach firm and were well off, I suppose in the eyes of Nilsen he would more likely get the ransom money he was demanding. I still think of her occasionally as I pass the family home and it seems like it was only yesterday. They still occasionally re-run the documentary on TV that was made about the case. If I remember correctly Nilsen had a gammy leg and walked with a limp.?🤔
OK, Dave, Thanks for your interesting story and taking me on a motorcycle trip down memory lane, I used to ride my old Triumph T140E Bonneville around those roads in the early to mid 1980's. I used to frequent the Barrack Tavern on Killighall Road, that was the Tudor style building on the left at 25:25 in your video. The local Triumph Owners M.C.C. used to meet at the Barrack, the pub closed many years ago and it became Habib's curry house. After the club meeting at the Barrack, I used to got to the Blue Pig at Fagley for some descent ale, The Barrack sold Cameron's which was absolutely disgusting, the Blue Pig also closed years ago, it has been torched at least once. In 1978, I was running to catch my last bus home outside Halifax Town Hall, I was stopped by the police on Crossley Street, bundled into their patrol car and told that I was being arrested on suspicion of being the Yorkshire Ripper. On the way to the police station, one of the officers asked me what my shoe size is, I replied nine, the car stopped and they told me I was free to go on my way. It turned out later that the police had found wellington boot prints made by Peter Sutcliffe at one of his murders, they were size six, the smallest UK man's size. I had missed my last bus and had no money for a taxi, so I walked the three and a half miles home that night.
Hi David wow some stories there. I went into the Barrack occasionally but as you say Cameron’s was lizard piss. I preferred the Coach and Horses across the road (Tetleys!). Had a few in the Blue Pig as well aka the Ravenscliffe Arms if memory serves me
@@thebingleywheeler Thanks for your reply, Dave. In 1983 the T.O.M.C.C. got fed up with the Barrack's foul beer, so they moved to the Wild Boar near the top of Bolton Road. The Wild Boar over looked Bradford City's Valley Parade stadium, they served Trough Brewery ales from Idle. Trough brewed a lovely range of ales including Wild Boar Bitter and Black Hog Mild, sadly Trough went out of business decades ago. Those were happy days.
I'm a couple of years younger than you Dave but I also lived approx 4 to 500 metres from a notorious Bradford killer. None other than Peter Sutcliffe!! He lived on Garden Lane and I lived adjacent to Garden Lane. Must've walked past his house hundreds of times and played in the playing fields behind his house.....not to mention went to school close by...........really close by!! I was amazed how many kids in the area reckoned they had washed his car blah blah blah! Despite being a "neighbour" for many years, I never saw the guy. I do remember the empty buses on the night "He" said he'd strike again.......turns out it was "Wearside Jack" mouthing off. How we found out "Jack the Ripper" had finally been caught is a (scarcely believable) tale in itself!! Anyhow, not as close a shave with a mass murderer as yours but close enough. Your ride down Manningham Lane brought back so many memories of hanging around at "Motorcycle World" and "Kawasaki Centre" in the eighties and Friday nights in the Turf. Ah well.....ancient history now but my word, how Bradford has decayed. Ride safe!! Dave (N. Yorks)👍
@thebingleywheeler Right....well you've Tommy topped me there Dave!! Further to my ramblings.....I was stood outside kawasaki centre on that terrible day at valley parade. Oh, and the manager at motorcycle World was called Ralph.....drove a bright red porsche 911 turbo and looked like he could've been Mike reeds dad!! Take me back to Bradford before it was destroyed!!
I've been subscribed for over a year now and fell victim today to the much mentioned TH-cam auto unsubscribe 'feature'. Yes it's very real. What a PITA. Anyhow, back with ya! Check your status good people. Cheers Dave
We never think that killers walk amongst us. I once had a coworker who was the prime suspect in the rape and murder of his girlfriend’s infant daughter. This was years before we worked together. They had saved the evidence but this was before DNA testing. He had been fired from our company as an airline pilot. When he called the police to complain about his neighbors the police asked him for a DNA sample. He gave it! That’s what they used to convict him. He too died in prison. The FBI got involved because they thought that an airline pilot would be the perfect job for a serial killer. They never connected him to any other murders. This was in the San Francisco area.
What a great story, a very enjoyable video to watch. You were blinking lucky !!! Bet it was great going down child hood lane, bringing back al those memories.......What mic do you use when riding your bike, I am impressed with the sound quality, all I get is crackling from my GoPro 👍Just can't find the right combination.
You also take your life in your hands riding through Manningham, on the Shipley and Airedale and Barkerend !. Whenever I go through Bradford, which is rare nowadays, I usually witness terrible driving, looks like you had a relatively quiet run up to Thornbury. Am I right in thinking that Albert Pierrepont was also from that neck of the woods. Great story Dave
Pierrepont hanged the forgotten 10 in Dublin 1921 one of whom was my great grandfather (who had 10 children) During the troubles this was. The Easter rising 1916 and the civil war times. He hanged 434 men and women in his time. It was barbaric to hang the Irish back then as they were soldiers. I do wonder if we should bring hanging back though? No place in a civilised society but still I wonder if it would act as a deterrent?
@UKDub61 I’ve never supported capital punishment not least because we have a nasty habit of wrongly convicting people…..the story of Stefan Kiszko is a lesson to us all
Hey up Dave. Coincidence being I was born in June 1962 in Mansfield Notts. Which I am sure you know was where the Black Panther was apprehended. I remember it well he was picked up close to a post office in Mansfield Woodhouse and forced the two police officers to drive him. He was overwhelmed outside Rainworth miners welfare at some traffic lights. During the struggle one of the police officers thumb was shot off. While waiting for back up he was given a good hiding by some burly local miners no doubt you will remember the battered and bruised photos. Rumour has it that while giving him a good kicking someone said "and thats for them young lads you denied a bonfire" Also I have a customer I visit a couple of times a month in kidsgrove which was where Leslie Whittle's body was found and my first house that I bought was only 500 yards from where the police picked Neilsen up on the night he was caught
Hi Paul yes I remember the news of his apprehension and the part played by those two miners who gave him a good old dust round the lugs. Sadly he didn’t TIC my bent bike handlebars 😂
Oh yes I remember chumping (we called it gaitherin). Towing wood on a length of rope from the back of our bikes to the bonfire site. Universal activities for kids in the 70s.
Good morning Dave and thank you for another epic production. Could this be the start of a series about notorious characters from the Bradford area, there is a lot of subject matter to delve into. I have many happy memories of Bradford from about that time - trolley busses, the Sooty shop, Carters toy shop, Busbys and so much more! My grandparents lived in Laisterdyke and in the early ‘60s we used to go for tea every Saturday and grandad used to take me to the mill over the road where he would would stoke up the boiler that ran the steam engine, frightened me to death when he ran it up. We then had to go home to Ilkley with my dad battling through the thick smog that hung over the city. Really enjoyed this one looking forward to what you have to share with the next ride. Andy.
Thank you Andy some great memories. Carters was a must for me every Saturday often on the trolley bus from Thornbury terminus. Busbys for my haircut in the basement barbershop
I'm as guilty as anyone of valorising the good old days, and they were good in many ways. We roamed freely, but in hindsight it's a miracle we survived. Some of the characters we came across were not wholesome and other were downright psychopathic. Most personalities can be explained by poor parenting, and other forms of deprivation and lack. A small percentage are, as you say, downright evil and encountering them, or not, is pot luck. I did a bit of green laning on the 350 last night, an interesting experience on road tyres ; )
Hello Dave didn't he have a dog named bleep it was actually it's name. He popped up in a book I owned. I thought he also abducted people from bars and the book said the neighborhood kids were playing 15 yards from where he was burning bodies large parts that couldn't be flushed. Dave glad ya made it out of that. Yeah it's definitely the wrong case my mistake.
Yea mate, nothing wrong at all with nicking a murderers timber, well done you little shit. Having grown up in NaeNae in the 60s I can relate entirely, I must have been a bit quicker on my pins.
Great vlog Dave. I too was born in St Lukes in 61. How Bradford has charged over the decades eh?.... l'll say no more 😢. Regards, Mo 😊 👍
I remember this quite clearly Dave. I was eleven years old at the time and lived near Mansfield. Two miners from Blidworth colliery were in the queue at the chippy when the panda car veered to a stop. Straight away, without any thought for their own safety they lept at Neilson and subdued him till the two coppers could slip him in handcuffs. By "subdued" I mean roughed him up so badly that he was definitely incapacitated. At the time they had no idea that they'd helped in the arrest of none other than the Black Panther himself.
Yes they did give him a good dusting as could be seen from the mug shots afterwards 😂
Great story, I remember it well I am a few years younger and was a kid at the time. Thanks for posting, love the colour of the classic 350. I have an Interceptor 650 and just love it.
It's a shame how all our childhood neighborhoods have degraded over the years.😢
I thoroughly enjoyed this documentary. Your guardian angel has certainly been busy for many years! Thanks for putting this together and posting it for us.
You’re most welcome
Thoroughly enjoyed this story, thanks
really interesting account, appreciate your history lesson... great viewing .
all the best and stay safe.
Thanks for sharing, great childhood story.
Great video Dave…sat watching this on a Sunday evening and better than everything on tv. 👊
Thank you 😊
Really interesting story that! We're about the same age and i remember the news paper headlines and hearing about that poor girl leslie whittle. Goes to show you never know what danger lies around the corner !!!
Especially if you're a kid and up to mischief!! Thanks for sharing 👍
Cracking story . Really enjoyed that.
Excellent story telling! I am just a tad older than you and lived in Wrose at that time, I still live locally but haven’t been into Bradford for years, so to have a bit of a tour during this video was very interesting!
What an interesting story. Enjoyed seeing your city childhood area and I'm sure Norman also got to enjoy being there. The city is so much different than in the U S. Some stores and gas stations are the same but the architecture is unique and beautiful. Grand story it was. 👍👍.
Great stream Dave thanks for sharing that with us . Just goes to show you never know who your dealing with . Keep them coming 👍👍👍👍
Absolutely brilliant tale, you certainly had me captivated with that one 👍
Cheers Mark
I have vague memories of my dad being taken for questioning, he was reported after the wearside Jack tapes were released, because he was a Geordie they thought he was the Yorkshire ripper.
Yes a chap from my Dad’s local pub The Virginia Tavern in Bradford was taken in due to an identical accent
I enjoyed your story . keep um coming . ride safe., Until the next time.Bfn Mike , Sunny Wales
reet interesting story that lad, keep'em coming. Never boring sir.. never...
A close call indeed. Whenever I hear you call your bike by name, I always think of Norman Wisdom, and that is not meant to be derogatory at all, I loved Norman Wisdom. Your 350's colour reminds me of 1950's American cars with big fins, white wall tyres and art deco buildings for some strange reason; absolutely beautiful. I am a couple of years older than you and grew up in a little fishing town in Cornwall; also enjoying a near feral childhood. I remember first starting school. My mother walked me to the gates on the first day, about a mile, and after that I walked alone, and it wasn't just me either. All the kids who lived within walking distance did the same. I think we were six when we started primary school. Better days in many ways. Enjoyed the look around your old stomping ground; thanks.
Norman Wisdom was ace! 👍🏻
Great story! Cheers
Really enjoyed that TBW. You’d clearly put some thought into that taking us on a ride to the place. Thanks very much. Oh and you clearly know how to name pie shops and streets up north 😂
From (allegedly) stealing wood to almost becoming a "cat burglar" 🤣. Thanks for the fascinating story Sir, and for taking us on a nice little ride back to your childhood.
A great story and ride through Bradford. I have ridden and driven that route quite a few times myself. My sister used to live in Baildon & Shipley so I would often visit there as a young teenager.
In my mid teens I got involved in quite a bit of petty crimes which resulted in me spending a while in one or two of Her Majesties long term hotels (if you know what I mean).
One day whilst being escorted to my work duties, the officer stopped outside a certain cell on the middle landing and asked me if I knew who the bloke inside it was. After careful consideration I said that I didn't know him. I was then told it was Donald Nielson aka the Black Panther. To which I replied that I didn't think he looked like much and didn't look like the kind of person to commit such heinous crimes as he did. It is a long time ago now but I do still remember the look he gave me. Now it would concern me but at the time I was young, fit and headstrong and scared of nothing. Oh to be young again, lol...........
Great story their sir and I know exactly what you mean about that stare it still chills me to the core
Thanks for the great story, really glad that you survived to tell the tale. I have the most tenuous of links to your story, a short time after Neilson was apprehended by those brave officers and members of the public in Rainworth I was riding on my Suzuki GT250 on Derby Road Annesley Notts when I was wiped out by a car pulling out of a junction. Although I felt fine and only had a few scapes and bruises the traffic officers who attended decided they'd take me to Mansfield General for a checkup. I noticed a plaque mounted on the dashboard of the traffic car (Triumph Dolomite Sprint) that said that the vehicle had conveyed Donald Neilson from Mansfield to Court for his first hearing. I had a good chat with the officers who were justly proud of the part they'd played in the Neilson story.
Also just to say thanks for the great videos, I only recently started following you and have enjoyed every one I've seen. Cheers
Thank you Ian a great story and wow a Dolomite Sprint….i lusted after them…..thank you so much for subscribing too 👍🏻
Fascinating stuff, and great video.
Thank you 😊
Nice story, well told!
Subscribed! I was born in bingley 1957 lived thereabouts until 1990. I'm still motor cycling that's how I came to look at your video. The road trip brought back a lot of memories. Also, the story because I remember everything you said. I forgive you for being a rozzer (lol).
Many thanks for subscribing it’s much appreciated
A very interesting story and one that brought back some memories. This case was one of my early memories too but for different reasons. The Whittle family were well known in my local area as they owned a local coach firm and where I'm sat right now is only 10 miles from the house where Lesley Whittle was kidnapped from and I still ass it regularly. Even though I was very young I can remember how it shocked the local community as they were just local business people with seemingly no enemies and it was tragic when they found her body.
Yes she must have had a dreadful end
I Remember the Black Panther Dave .in fact i went on a Panther owners rally in the very early nineties and it was held a the village were just down the road from whare he held Leslie Whittle, i can remember thinking at the time how darkly ironic that the Panther owners club had chosen the site for that years rally 😮
Hi Kev now that is a dark irony 😎👍🏻
Eyup Dave , I just love the way you talk to Norman! I talk to my 350 also these bikes have a soul as you know sir PS, great childhood story loved it take care mate.
Cheers William 😊👍🏻
Interesting bit of history. I don’t think I would have connected the photo fit to be honest. Just shows evil is always in plain sight.
Great story 👍
Chumping, that brings back memories. Subscribed again, must have dropped off the list. Also your rides around Nidderdale were my go to area in the sixties and seventies when out on my motorbike.
Good Morning Dave , WOW this is a very interesting video for sure ,very lucky as a young lad , when my dad remarried & living in keighley ( ie a geordie lorry driver ) he was interviewed twice by the police because of the Yorkshire Ripper so take care
Cheers Steve yes Panther and Ripper both from Bradford
Good morning Dave, lovely story and strangely enough the scenery made a nice change and stirred an awful lot of memories. Like so many of our generation albeit I’m 2 years older we were brought up in council / corporation houses as that’s all our parents could afford.
It’s sad to see that we have such little local authority housing nowadays, I recall my dad took great pride in the garden and won a couple of prizes for it. There was a lot more pride back in those days.
I recall seeing a documentary on Neilson some years ago and it showed his garage / shed where he hid his shotgun, made his own ammunition and other contraptions used in the kidnapping of Leslie Whittle. If the death penalty was ever called for it should have been for that piece of 💩.
Finally how can you be so cruel to poor Norman rough roading him.
Great start to the day, thank you
Cheers my friend yes back then some of the council houses had pristine manicured lawns and often next door’s would be a dump….great contrasts but a credit to many council tenants. Norman is slowly recovering from my callous exploitation of his good will 😂
The term, 'Hiding in plain Site' springs to mind 🤔!
Well that was goooood, intriguing from start to finish, you are dead right evil could only be round the corner, remember it well I was 16 at the time, thanks Dave, keep up the good work,NW biker dude, alias bay Bimbler
Cheers buddy much appreciated
Fascinating stuff Dave, reminds me of my mate and his wife who lived next door to Peter Tobin in Hove who is known to have killed 3 women but also believed to have killed more. My mate said he was always very polite and never gave any impression of the real person he was 👍
Wow, an interesting tale Dave. Certainly a missed opportunity 😢
Interesting story Dave and a lucky escape…! Thank goodness.. when I was 11 I wrote in to Jim’ll Fix It… he never replied… another lucky escape..! 🤣
Saddle bar, pie shop. Cracking vid.
you are a great story teller
Cheers Graeme
Spinechilling! I'm 2 years older than you and I remember the impact he had.
I lived in a street where we helped each other. It wasn't all roses but in the end we all looked out for each other.
Thank you for sharing this.
Yes they were better days in all the ways that really count
That was fascinating Dave.
I bet those two poor Bobby’s that came to your house got some stick from their colleagues for missing Neilson.
Like you I would have been scared to tell my dad about what happened at Neilsons yard. Coz I’d a got another clout for trying to nick his wood in the first place.
Norman did well over the rough stuff, on road gearing too.
Thanx Dave, really enjoyed this.
Ride safe.
Thank you yes indeed had it not been for the fact I’d already got a kicking from Nelson I’m sure I’d have received a clip round me lug oles at home
Blimey, engrossed or what. couldnt write it. fantastic tale
Thank you John
Very interesting , I remember it being on the news back in the day. When I was 6 to 9 years old a 15 year old delinquent used to be hanging about me & a friend . My mother told me to keep away from him ,as she said he wasn’t right in the head & he shouldn’t be trying to hang about with boys our age . To cut along story short ,my family moved away from the area, & a couple of years later my friend was found strangled to death on the railway . As it turned out it was the older lad my mother had told me to keep away from, that had murdered my friend . I often wonder if I could of suffered the same fate ,had my family not moved away. My mother also reckoned he also was the killer ,in the unsolved brutal murder of a young local married mother by stabbing in her home on a bleak thick foggy day a couple of years previous . My mates murderer worked as a delivery boy for a local grocer in the same area & was known to carry a knife regularly . It just goes to show how a twist of fate can alter our lives . 👍
Yes we never know who’s on our doorstep!
@@thebingleywheeler Yes how very correct , my friends killer only lived a five minute walk from my old address at the time .
I loved that Dave thanks. I had left the city by then (originally from Girlington) and I don't have any reason to visit these days but I particularly enjoyed the ride past Lister Park and where I had a flat on Spring Bank Place off Manningham Lane (my Mum was horrified!).
Ah yes I cut my teeth patrolling those areas in the 80s
@@thebingleywheeler Proper policing back then.
Indeed…..on foot through the night checking doors and windows….street craft and a great grounding
A great storey to the soundtrack of a Classic 350. Perfect way to start my day! Good job Dave, enjoyed that 👍
Very interesting life story riding around on Norman Wisdom, but no comedy at the time. I remember the story as l was 2 years older reading it on my paper round 😊
As a Bingley lad about 10 years your senior, I remember the time starkly! We also had a few other killers, The Yorkshire ripper, Micheal Sands, I knew both but didn't like either. There was another bloke from Tranmere Park Guisley, who killed 3 seperate people over the Christmas period. Then coming forward in time The Crossbow Canibal. So other places have Explores, Inventors, Leaders of men, and other all round Good Eggs. What do we have? Bloody Serial Killers! It must be something in the water?
Right on there Tony two other notorious local scumbags there 👍🏻
Wow, watching this dunt arf bring back memories. When I were a nipper our next door neighbour was me auntie Ann and uncle Fred. They weren't even family. And the whittle family were only about 10 mile away from our house.
Great video what could have happened a movie in the making. My wife and I lived very close to an individual called Fred West in Gloucester who was convicted of terrible crimes and hid his victims in the foundations of a property he lived in which I later found out was close to where I purchased my first family home.
Yes Fred and Rosemary…..a right pair of monsters
Great story Dave love hearing these sorts of things from celebrities we know of so you must be coming a celebrity on utube 😂 great story bit rough area where you lived as a child I would say plenty of those across the country I feel very lucky not to of grown up in areas like that I don’t mean posh for me I mean I was out in the countryside in all 5 places I’ve lived yes only 5 different places from birth till today at 63 1/2 don’t forget the half I was born September 1960 take care ride safe
Cheers Nicholas….celebrity I wish 😂
I remember sitting across from my mate ,in a Cafe, when he opened his daily paper....and his face drained of all colour...I inquired what was wrong , he turned the paper round to reveal a picture of a man he'd had an argument with, in East London, a few days before, who transpired to be a Gangland Murderer....who killed a man and his 10 year old Son....
Yes that’s how I felt when Nielson was arrested….white as a sheet
I remember the Donald Nielson case. I bet that little bike is fun to ride. Nick
Seeing you riding along the A650, reminded me of when we bought our Honda NTV4650 in May 2004 and then my dream bike, the ST1300A3, in September 2004. Those bikes were bought from Bradford motorcycles. It's chilling hearing you talk about Nielson's history. Of course, going back along the A650, takes you into Sutcliffe's territory. I was born in March 1963.
Bradford Motorcycles there’s a memory
@thebingleywheeler Remember Chez? He was a character. I remember the 4th September 2004 when I rode our brand new Pan home to Blackburn. I had to pull over on the A629 and tell Lynn, my wife, just how GOOD it was!! I'd had a 14 year break from motorcycling before I got the Deauville. Happy days.
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@npr1300A8 the pan is legend and will always have a place in my heart
That cat just wanted to give you another nice memory of that lane. The Karmic wheel turns….
He was flea ridden but gorgeous
G'day Dave. Mate I thoroughly enjoyed that yarn, thanks very much. How easily that could have gone bad for you way back then eh? I agree with you regarding the Photo-fit image. We used to use a system called Identikit here (Queensland, Australia). In my 31 years of policing I rarely saw one that looked even remotely like the offender! I guess everyone perceives things differently. They're done digitally now using a system called Comfit, and are thankfully a much more realistic image.
Hi Russ yes we had Identikit too……I think because they had a reputation for being wide of the mark a lot of cops back then didn’t take them too seriously which was probably why my incident didn’t raise suspicions
Didn't hear no tappets rattling.I enjoyed the story and the ride👍
Young local tearaway becomes Police Officer. The reign of terror of Don Nielsen Cat in 'Take me Home. with you' mode....it's what they do!.Quite an eventful Ride..Regarding your Camera positioning...that we've spoken about...l think the neck mount works fine. Gives a similar view of a chin mount, plus its mounting is not a permanent fixture on your undoubtably expensive Arai....Lot of road works but pleasant tour of suburbia plus your musings of your childhood.
Cheers Brian
Hey up TBW, i remember this clearly, Nielson robbed a post office and murdered the post master in Haslingden which is about 5 miles from where i lived at that time, you could feel the pain and heartbreak of Lesley Whittles family when they got the news of their daughters sad end, he truely was an evil man....
Yes Henry he was the consummate spawn of the devil
You are 5 months older than me. Class of 79. A s a kid I too used to gather wood for bonfire night, building the fire on some waste ground a week before the night and guarding it from other gangs.
My 10yr old cousin was Moors Murder's Ian Brady and Myra Hindley's paper boy. Was often invited into their house in Hattersley for sweets. A very lucky boy indeed.
Hi Dave,
I had the misfortune to be at the final dinner on my CID course in Preston the day Neilson was caught. Being the only Yorkshireman on the course I was targeted for abuse by the Detective Ch. Supt from Lancashire Joe Mounsey. I took it on the chin and smiled gracefully, but didn't reveal that Neilson actually lived on my patch.
Had the misfortune to meet Peter Sutcliffe a few years later, when his garage was burgled. It's a small world and Bradford's had its fair share of monsters.
Regards,
Joe P.
Hi Joe always good to hear from you pal. A Lancs gaffer having a dig at a West Yorks Met PC (as it was by 1976 I believe)…..a familiar tale….yes we breed some right villains in Bradford
I hope that after he was nicked you and your pals went back the yard, helped yourselves and had the biggest bonfire ever seen in the area. 😂 Great story and I thought I had got into scrapes growing up around the same time!
Hi me dad used to mek me wait for him outside chip shop rainworth notts. N he always said that’s where they caught him. Never knew if it was true . Shit me up I would have been 10. Glad ya survived!!! 😅
1962, eh, Dave? Goodness, I joined the RAF in January of that year... Makes one feel slightly ancient! Good story and a lucky escape for you and your mates, I'd say. Neilson deserved a short drop and a sudden stop.
I had two chances to joint the RAF when younger and foolishly turned them down….what a mistake not to follow in my dad’s footsteps. I have to content myself now with an RAF surplus raincoat (with Air Vice Marshall epaulettes 😂)
@@thebingleywheeler Ah well, we do what we think is best at the time, Dave. Hindsight always gives 20/20 vision and you did ok anyway. Re the AVM's raincoat, my neighbour in Queensland was the real McCoy; RAAF, though. We were golfing partners and had drinks in each other's homes, many times. Given that I only made lowly Senior Aircraftman rank, that scenario wouldn't have happened in the UK; thankfully, Australia's far more egalitarian. 👍
Absolutely Chris you're much more enlightened over there.....here we're still stuck with a ridiculous class divide
I've just checked up on the Yorkshire Ripper, Peter Sutcliffe, he started his spree in 1975. I wonder if Neilson had been executed if Sutcliffe would have thought twice about his spree? Obviously the death penalty wasn't an option by then in the mid 70's.
Yuve gone all Volcanic Brown now with a cat in shot😊
Hi from Australia TBW , just a question why did you sell the SuperMeteor 650 compared to your other bikes ?
Video on that coming
Wow what a memory, you could’ve been seriously injured or killed by that evil man.
Yes Donna I guess so…..guardian angel or just good fortune who knows! Hope you’re well over there 😊
Wow! So many similarities. At the age of 69 I'm awaiting delivery of a meteor 350. Born in St lukes,1955, raised in thornbury on the estate off Gain lane. Had friends who lived around Woodhall rd. One lived about five doors down from Neilson. One sister lived on Fagley road and had some work done by Neilson. Scary!. Spent 30 years married life in Nab Wood and now live down the road from you in Crossflatts. Haven't driven through Bradford for years. Thornburys not the place it used to be. And we used to go chumping in Fagley woods.
Small world….my first job was at Almonds Bakery (RHM) on Gain La
@@thebingleywheeler Did you know my mum? Rose Ward,later Rose Close. She worked there most of life. I had a Saturday job when I was 15.
Don’t know the name but I worked in accounts from 1980 to 1983. I also had a Saturday job there at 15 loading the vans up 1977/78
i remember the bastard well - he hid that girl right near where we knocked around as kids, very close in fact and when it became apparent it was pretty scary times because of how often we were there....
i was a paperlad at the time and it was getting quite common for kids to be going missing and not coming home sadly - we cracked on though as you do, looking back it was a funny old time , glad i never became a statistic although i too had a close brush with being pinched and it was only street smarts from me and my mate gaz jones that saved me from what could have been a bad ending.....
Sounds like another close shave for you there pal….seems we’re never more than 100 yards from a scum bag
Sadly I remember the kidnap and murder of Lesley Whittle. I live not far from where she was kidnapped from and pass what was her family home at the time frequently. If I remember correctly she was chosen as a victim because her family owned a local coach firm and were well off, I suppose in the eyes of Nilsen he would more likely get the ransom money he was demanding. I still think of her occasionally as I pass the family home and it seems like it was only yesterday. They still occasionally re-run the documentary on TV that was made about the case. If I remember correctly Nilsen had a gammy leg and walked with a limp.?🤔
OK, Dave, Thanks for your interesting story and taking me on a motorcycle trip down memory lane, I used to ride my old Triumph T140E Bonneville around those roads in the early to mid 1980's. I used to frequent the Barrack Tavern on Killighall Road, that was the Tudor style building on the left at 25:25 in your video. The local Triumph Owners M.C.C. used to meet at the Barrack, the pub closed many years ago and it became Habib's curry house. After the club meeting at the Barrack, I used to got to the Blue Pig at Fagley for some descent ale, The Barrack sold Cameron's which was absolutely disgusting, the Blue Pig also closed years ago, it has been torched at least once.
In 1978, I was running to catch my last bus home outside Halifax Town Hall, I was stopped by the police on Crossley Street, bundled into their patrol car and told that I was being arrested on suspicion of being the Yorkshire Ripper. On the way to the police station, one of the officers asked me what my shoe size is, I replied nine, the car stopped and they told me I was free to go on my way. It turned out later that the police had found wellington boot prints made by Peter Sutcliffe at one of his murders, they were size six, the smallest UK man's size. I had missed my last bus and had no money for a taxi, so I walked the three and a half miles home that night.
Great story that mate. 👍🏻 I bet you were crapping yourself! Good job it wasn’t me there I’m a size 6 mens😮
@@UKDub61 Yes, I was very scared, I was only 22 years old at the time and I'd never been arrested by the police before that incident.
Hi David wow some stories there. I went into the Barrack occasionally but as you say Cameron’s was lizard piss. I preferred the Coach and Horses across the road (Tetleys!). Had a few in the Blue Pig as well aka the Ravenscliffe Arms if memory serves me
@@thebingleywheeler Thanks for your reply, Dave. In 1983 the T.O.M.C.C. got fed up with the Barrack's foul beer, so they moved to the Wild Boar near the top of Bolton Road. The Wild Boar over looked Bradford City's Valley Parade stadium, they served Trough Brewery ales from Idle. Trough brewed a lovely range of ales including Wild Boar Bitter and Black Hog Mild, sadly Trough went out of business decades ago. Those were happy days.
@davidmacgregor5193 I remember the Wild Boar very well and the Corn Dolly
Great video and an interesting story! As an aside, I like your jacket - what is it. Cheers 👍
Merlin Edale wax cotton jacket
@@thebingleywheeler Thanks buddy.
I'm a couple of years younger than you Dave but I also lived approx 4 to 500 metres from a notorious Bradford killer. None other than Peter Sutcliffe!! He lived on Garden Lane and I lived adjacent to Garden Lane. Must've walked past his house hundreds of times and played in the playing fields behind his house.....not to mention went to school close by...........really close by!! I was amazed how many kids in the area reckoned they had washed his car blah blah blah! Despite being a "neighbour" for many years, I never saw the guy. I do remember the empty buses on the night "He" said he'd strike again.......turns out it was "Wearside Jack" mouthing off. How we found out "Jack the Ripper" had finally been caught is a (scarcely believable) tale in itself!! Anyhow, not as close a shave with a mass murderer as yours but close enough. Your ride down Manningham Lane brought back so many memories of hanging around at "Motorcycle World" and "Kawasaki Centre" in the eighties and Friday nights in the Turf. Ah well.....ancient history now but my word, how Bradford has decayed.
Ride safe!!
Dave (N. Yorks)👍
Cheers Dave ah yes The Turf and my first bike came from Bradford Motorcycles. I’ve actually had a beer or two with Sutcliffe’s brother! 😎
@thebingleywheeler Right....well you've Tommy topped me there Dave!! Further to my ramblings.....I was stood outside kawasaki centre on that terrible day at valley parade. Oh, and the manager at motorcycle World was called Ralph.....drove a bright red porsche 911 turbo and looked like he could've been Mike reeds dad!! Take me back to Bradford before it was destroyed!!
I've been subscribed for over a year now and fell victim today to the much mentioned TH-cam auto unsubscribe 'feature'. Yes it's very real. What a PITA. Anyhow, back with ya! Check your status good people. Cheers Dave
Thank you Gareth really appreciate that
We never think that killers walk amongst us. I once had a coworker who was the prime suspect in the rape and murder of his girlfriend’s infant daughter. This was years before we worked together. They had saved the evidence but this was before DNA testing. He had been fired from our company as an airline pilot. When he called the police to complain about his neighbors the police asked him for a DNA sample. He gave it! That’s what they used to convict him. He too died in prison. The FBI got involved because they thought that an airline pilot would be the perfect job for a serial killer. They never connected him to any other murders. This was in the San Francisco area.
That’s a fascinating tale buddy….I’ll never look at a pilot the same way again 😃
What a great story, a very enjoyable video to watch. You were blinking lucky !!! Bet it was great going down child hood lane, bringing back al those memories.......What mic do you use when riding your bike, I am impressed with the sound quality, all I get is crackling from my GoPro 👍Just can't find the right combination.
Hi thank you……you need to use a really good quality lavalier mic which plugs directly into the GoPro media mod….I use Rode mics
@@thebingleywheeler Many thanks, I will take a look at them 👍
You also take your life in your hands riding through Manningham, on the Shipley and Airedale and Barkerend !.
Whenever I go through Bradford, which is rare nowadays, I usually witness terrible driving, looks like you had a relatively quiet run up to Thornbury. Am I right in thinking that Albert Pierrepont was also from that neck of the woods. Great story Dave
Too right Stuart and yes I believe he was
Pierrepont hanged the forgotten 10 in Dublin 1921 one of whom was my great grandfather (who had 10 children) During the troubles this was. The Easter rising 1916 and the civil war times. He hanged 434 men and women in his time. It was barbaric to hang the Irish back then as they were soldiers. I do wonder if we should bring hanging back though? No place in a civilised society but still I wonder if it would act as a deterrent?
@UKDub61 I’ve never supported capital punishment not least because we have a nasty habit of wrongly convicting people…..the story of Stefan Kiszko is a lesson to us all
Hey up Dave. Coincidence being I was born in June 1962 in Mansfield Notts. Which I am sure you know was where the Black Panther was apprehended. I remember it well he was picked up close to a post office in Mansfield Woodhouse and forced the two police officers to drive him. He was overwhelmed outside Rainworth miners welfare at some traffic lights. During the struggle one of the police officers thumb was shot off. While waiting for back up he was given a good hiding by some burly local miners no doubt you will remember the battered and bruised photos. Rumour has it that while giving him a good kicking someone said "and thats for them young lads you denied a bonfire"
Also I have a customer I visit a couple of times a month in kidsgrove which was where Leslie Whittle's body was found and my first house that I bought was only 500 yards from where the police picked Neilsen up on the night he was caught
Hi Paul yes I remember the news of his apprehension and the part played by those two miners who gave him a good old dust round the lugs. Sadly he didn’t TIC my bent bike handlebars 😂
Naughty Norman from Fireman Sam!
Oh yes I remember chumping (we called it gaitherin). Towing wood on a length of rope from the back of our bikes to the bonfire site. Universal activities for kids in the 70s.
Good morning Dave and thank you for another epic production. Could this be the start of a series about notorious characters from the Bradford area, there is a lot of subject matter to delve into.
I have many happy memories of Bradford from about that time - trolley busses, the Sooty shop, Carters toy shop, Busbys and so much more!
My grandparents lived in Laisterdyke and in the early ‘60s we used to go for tea every Saturday and grandad used to take me to the mill over the road where he would would stoke up the boiler that ran the steam engine, frightened me to death when he ran it up. We then had to go home to Ilkley with my dad battling through the thick smog that hung over the city.
Really enjoyed this one looking forward to what you have to share with the next ride.
Andy.
Thank you Andy some great memories. Carters was a must for me every Saturday often on the trolley bus from Thornbury terminus. Busbys for my haircut in the basement barbershop
I'm as guilty as anyone of valorising the good old days, and they were good in many ways. We roamed freely, but in hindsight it's a miracle we survived. Some of the characters we came across were not wholesome and other were downright psychopathic. Most personalities can be explained by poor parenting, and other forms of deprivation and lack. A small percentage are, as you say, downright evil and encountering them, or not, is pot luck. I did a bit of green laning on the 350 last night, an interesting experience on road tyres ; )
Hello Dave didn't he have a dog named bleep it was actually it's name. He popped up in a book I owned. I thought he also abducted people from bars and the book said the neighborhood kids were playing 15 yards from where he was burning bodies large parts that couldn't be flushed. Dave glad ya made it out of that. Yeah it's definitely the wrong case my mistake.
Different person buddy you’re thinking of Dennis Nilsen another killer far from Bradford
Engrossing!
Yikes.
Did you work at the same police station as the cops that unfortunately never recognized him
No different areas back then
Wasn't he called Dennis Neilson not Donald .
No you are thinking of Dennis Nilsen a completely different offender
Well as a subscriber am I the only one from carlisle.....not bradford...but cumbria😂😂😂....
15:50 ... almost dead-ringer of Liam Bartlett.
Where has the "thumbs up" button gone?
Were you a Bobby in Bradford?
Yes
@@thebingleywheeler did you ever work with my old rugby pals Bruce Grannon, Martin Jorden or Alan Rhoades?
@raylambert8715 certainly worked with Martin Jordan…..a great guy who was also my mentor for a period
Yea mate, nothing wrong at all with nicking a murderers timber, well done you little shit. Having grown up in NaeNae in the 60s I can relate entirely, I must have been a bit quicker on my pins.
could be worse it could be NORMAN TEBBIT ugh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ugghhh indeed 👍🏻