The problem is too many low skilled drivers buy them as their 1st or 2nd car. I've seen many different models of Mustang stomping ass on road corse tracks. I'm not a Mustang guy, but I can tell you the cars are great, it's the drivers.
Yep, cheap and powerful are synonymous with Mustangs and attracts a lot of lesser skilled and often slightly egotistical drivers who then get into accidents because of their inability to control the car properly when trying to show off. That's basically how the Mustang got its reputation as the "crowd killer".
Without practice and training, anyone driving powerful rwd can snap themselves into a ditch on accident if they drive it like their fwd car. Unfortunately, nobody tells them that when they buy it.
Lol, I am 1 minute in. I saved the video for later. This is my guess. (No offense to our American Supportors of the excellent vehicles those are.) They are very popular. People who aren't used to having rear drive, or that type of HP get them. That combo can be an problem. It doesn't have anything to do with whether or not they are male or female. When we had 80's to late nineties change from the popular small eco cruiser to sport utility, there was another problem.
I had a 2016 Mustang 5liter GT for 5 years and drove it 50,000+ miles. Drove it cross country twice , lots of twist mountain roads. Never experienced any fisftailing or loss of control. Its handling and acceleration were excellent.
2012 here. Pull the Advance Trac fuse. Then Hal 9000 cannot engage to take over auto braking. (even when advance trac is turned off using the button and brake pedal instructions) it will automatically turn back on after 30 mph. Pull the fuse, disabled it completely. Burn outs, drifting, no issues. Use at your own risk. 🎉
@@ccwall09 100% that generation will re-engage the safety systems despite being "off". The solution is.. just don't turn off the safety systems unless you absolutely know how to drive it. Note - with everything off, it drives very similar to a 1960s GTO. Loads of power, light rear end, and hard to drive in a straight line as it wants to hop sideways on every shift. :)
I have and Love my 2013 Mustang GT Premium, I've added a lot of mods to the Car that makes it track worthy when needed, added Brembo Brakes and Torsion Differential (3.73) from the Shelby GT500, replaced the 2-piece steel driveshaft with a Ford Racing 1-piece Aluminum Shaft, replaced the suspension with a Ford Racing Suspension, and replaced the Stock Shifter with a Barton Shifter and added 19in Shelby GT500 Wheels to accommodate the Brembo Brakes, and last , a Roush Supercharger along with a Ford Racing exhaust system. The Car Drives and handles like a Dream, it also has the Boss 302-S Front Splitter attached as well.
As an engineer, drag racer and "Mustang" owner since the 1980s I can tell you exactly what the problem is....Fords Trac-Lok rear differential. The Trac-Lok does not lock up solid and allows an exceptionally high speed differential between the rear wheels, this causes the vehicle to dart left or right into an unrecoverable skid. The other issue is as the clutches in the Trac-Lok wear out the speed differential increases.
@videogazer801 A solid locking rear differential like a Detroit Locker, G80, Eaton Locker or even an Aussie Locker etc. While noisy in tight turns or parking lots, it's worth the added confidence you gain by having both wheels spinning at the same speed.
@videogazer801 If you're on a budget and have an open diff, you can buy a Sparton Locker from Rock Auto for $250 and it's probably 2 or 3 hours labor. If you have a Trac-Lok or clutches in your 8.8 it's going to take 4-6 hours minimum. I'd go with a Detroit Locker $600 and expect 4-6 hours labor to replace the Trac-Lok.
finally a video thats not just a meme, the reason why so many people crash them is because one they are garbage drivers but also the transmission gearing to the diff gearing, it gets you alot of wheel speed and then it hooks and sends them into stuff, its even worse of a problem if it a automatic b/c it will shit and just send it sideways. BUT Mustangs are the best bang for your buck, you can do sooo much for a reasonable price in any motorsport with it. Good vid👍
The main reason besides anything else is just the shear amount of mustangs there are out there. They are easily the highest selling sports car year to year and ever and it’s not very close. Between 05-07 ford sold 500k mustangs. Those are numbers other sports cars would be lucky to get in 10 years. So of course with so many of them out there and lots being sold second hand to young buyers who are inexperienced for cheap (I was one of them) of course there is gonna be significantly more videos of mustangs crashing.
@@calebemerson9317but that’s just if. There’s more video but no necessarily more accidents. I’ve seen plenty of people spin out in FWD cars. I know more people who have wrecked multiple BMWs than anything else.
People let people buy automatic Mustangs? lol. Had my RWD one and it's rock-solid and predictable. Know how to drive RWD cars and correct for oversteer and it's lovely to drive. Get distracted, hoon around, or show off and it'll send you into a tree in 5 seconds.
A few years ago I got to try a 2013 mustang gt (solid axle). Previous owner put drag tires on it. When I dumped the clutch those tires just grabbed, front end lifted up and the whole car twisted and launched. It was incredible and terrifying at the same time.
The main issue for Mustang drivers with crashes is they are almost always coming out of a car meet driveway, with opposite lock on, cold tires and the blood rush of showing off. Add in the factor that a lot of the ones who crash all have one thing in common, they lift off the throttle in the middle of a slide and turn it into a tank slapper. The live axles are worse at it too!
Lift off oversteer is also a problem as well. People think it's a a car. Nope - it's a RWD solid axle muscle car. Same as the 1960s and 1970s. Only the safety systems keep it on the road and in control most days. Turn those off and it'll swing its rear end around almost as quickly as an old 911. If you don't know HOW to deal with old RWD cars like that, it'll 100% catch you by surprise and spin on you. Spinning the car a little isn't a problem - all RWD cars want to do that. It's the follow-up overcorrection and panic that is the final nail in the coffin.
@@plektosgaming One little thing though - the S550 is no longer solid axle, it's got an IRS with a limited slip differential. Still easy to screw up and as Schaefen mentioned, the LSD isn't the best
@@UberStrikerful True, but Ford originally built these cars as platforms with modification in mind. Cheap and functional OEM parts built on a budget. If you do race, you simply toss the OEM stuff. The issue is when you race and don't do any mods at all. Then end up sideways.
Ayyy nice comparison with the straight axle vs independent, I own 5 Mustangs and though they’re not really the best at anything can’t beat the V8 sound and feeling especially a vintage one, the 2015+ you can throw around ok with some mods
Looks wise yes. S197 Looks better than any modern mustang imho. And actually looks like a mustang. The s550s and 560s look too European influenced for me. But they do handle better. More grand tourer where as the former is more raw muscle car.
I don't like the look of the 2005-2009 S197's much but I love the 2010-2012 design. 2013-2014 isn't bad either and what was shown in this video. Also, I know the Coyote 5.0 is a legendary engine, but I much prefer the sound of the 4.6.
I had a 5.0 mustang convertible like the silver one in the videö for a weekend a long time ago, weirdest suspension i ever felt in any car. It handled like a boat, but it still wasnt comfortable and was pretty rough over bumps. I still dont get how thats even possible.
@@user-360johnnSolid rear axle cars can handle very well. Even 1980's Camaros & Trans Ams proved that. The solid axle S197 Boss 302 Mustang is an excellent track car. I own a 2014 Mustang convertible and it certainly doesn't handle like a boat nor is it uncomfortable. Maybe to a soft luxury car owner it is too firm.
@@johnmcmullen456 do they handle better than any of the competition? I say this as a Mustang fan. I doubt they would outhandle a 3 Series coupe or an Infiniti G37.
@@user-360johnnI am involved in autocross and regularly witness a talented driver in a modified but still solid axle 2013 Mustang GT put IRS cars to shame. In fact he was national champion in his class a couple years ago against equally or more highly modified IRS Mustangs & Camaros. Obviously there are some advantages to IRS but solid axles can be made to work very well, such as when using a Watts link.
when you said "First challenge we're gonna see how well they can drive in a straight line because as you can see, its already a struggle for most Mustang drivers" I spit out my coffee💀
I have had my Mustang for over a decade and it's extremely easy to drive. As long as you don't show off, it's very similar to drive to a same era BMW 5 series. Show off and you're sideways.
The terminator was the 2003-2004 I believe. And those have irs so handle even better then the silver one your guys drove. It also comes with a supercharger from factory. 21:00
I have V8 M3 Competition and my best friend had 2012 Mustang GT, We did long road trips, I love them both, But Mustang with a loud exhaust is a lot more fun.
I've owned both a 14 (same as silver) and a 18 model (facelift version of red one). It's not the differential. It's the amount of stock steering angle mustangs have especially with how long the chassis is. My buddy threw a angle kit on his 2018, stock everything else. Drifts like butter after. That's why the other 2 drivers tried throwing too much angle and the car just over rotates which you on the other hand didn't throw as much angle since you have the experience but the car would easily snap back straight due to the insufficient amount of angle making it feel like a "open diff" Ford 8.8 diff is actually a very popular diff in the use of motorsports. So yeah big issue is stock steering angle in mustangs.
Had a 13 GT manual. Never lost control but could see how so many people wreck them with the way they’re setup, relatively light for the power, especially on the backend. I think a lot of people tend to wreck them simply due to inexperience in the car. They get on the power and don’t realize what the car is doing and then try to hit the breaks or oversteer to correct and spin out and slam into whatever’s around them. Too many driving them like it’s going to go straight everytime.
@@Still_awake19 Yeah experience for sure plays a part, especially in a mustang since your mindset off of video games or watching videos is flicking the thing in and that just wont work with a stock angle Mustang. Throw anybody into an e36 and they'll be able to drift it no problem. I've put my E82 1 series next to a 18 mustang and checked stock max steering lock on both and my BMW has wayyyy more stock angle. But then hop in a angle kit mustang and it drifts amazing. Mustangs are great cars, but that stock steering angle is not sufficient for that long of a chassis so it tends to over rotate way too easy. Also to note, I almost always had to 3 point turn my mustang for u turns. With my BMW it's a breeze. Big reason why you see so many guys drift BMW's, just come out of the box with plenty of angle :) In any car, the more angle you have the harder it really is to over rotate.
@@NoStringsAttached777 just how much angle the wheels have when you fully turn the steering wheel. Obviously more info goes into this like ackerman / camber etc, but to simplfy it when you fully lock your steering wheel your wheels only turn so much. Some cars have more “max steering angle” from factory. Idk stock steering angle number of mustang but just based off visually comparing side by side with my own cars, BMW’s have way more angle from factory So what most people do in the drift community is add angle kits to reach double the angle the stock suspension components allow which is usually 60+ degrees after angle kits The problem with s197’s (not sure about s550’s) is that they have a steering stop in the rack which limits the angle immensly.
One of the big reasons I enjoy Otto’s videos. Other then him being a fellow Austrian😂 the skill he has drifting these cars with no angle kits is super impressive compared to him hoping in a s chassis with an angle kit. Although I can’t wait for the day that he has a car with an angle kit. Going to pull off some absolutely insane drifts when he already drifts better then most guys who run angle kits
@@user-360johnn Having owned both, they're pretty comfortable actually, but you have to keep their age in mind. Handling is good from the S550 gen onwards.
I have a 2015 GT PP1 and one thing I can agree with you on is the LSD, which does cause some issues. Another problem with the S197 and S550 is the rear bushings, which will also cause that snap oversteer that you feel. I have done the Steeda rear subframe braces and Steeda front K-Brace and those makes a big difference in keeping everything straight, but you really need to do poly bushings all in the back from the differential to the subframe and that will help get rid of some of that snap oversteer that you sometimes just aren't ready for. Great video though.
It’s the driver, I use to rip my stock mustang around corners. You have to know what your doing driving any high hp rwd without traction control. Mustangs traction control has came along way in the new 2024s. That’s the first thing I take off is advanced traction control. You can’t mash the gas pedal when your slipping or most people over steer when they are loosing control. It’s all about maintaining speed and control. Tires our a huge factor too. I love just about all rwds. Camaros to me handle like a boat compared to the mustang
What a great and highly entertaining video! 👏👏👏 I always wondered why so many Mustangs ended up in the ditch and I figured it has to do with the rear axle or the differential. Now I know so THX to Mr. Sheepman 🙏 Is this the start of a new series, like “Let me drift” or “Sheepman sends it”? Would be awesome 👍 Did my eyes spot a Sakhir-Orange F82 in the background? 🥴 All the best, Philipp 👋
@@schaefchen I would LOVE to see such a series! ❤️❤️❤️ And I would assume that many other viewers of your channel would also love to see such a series. But it definitely needs a better name than my two “suggestions” 🫣😂 If I do hopefully get my dream car next month I’d happily let you burn “some” rubber with it and enjoy the video footage of it 🙏
I have the 2014 and its an automatic and its really fun to drive i can tell you from experience its definetly a dream to drive as a daily and its really really fun to have fun with. Mine is deep impact blue and i have always loved this car everyone loves the tailights on it.
The problem is three fold: there are numerous amounts of Mustangs on the streets of America. They are making plenty of power[ 5.0 ]. Many are bought by kids who modify the car and unfortunately can't handle the power. In the end it's the driver who is to blame.
The size of the engine does not dictate "power" and advertised peak hp numbers are not what's available at all times. Furthermore, you're ignoring torque and torque management by the mechanical and electronic systems. Add to that the fact that 21st century cars allow you to do lots of things before they give you a good scare, and so many drivers _never experience the signs of a problem until there's a problem_ and you might be closer to the mark.
One of the most popular cars for beginner amateur drifting are v6 mustangs from the early 2000. The v6 isn't popular for enthusiast but it's powerful enough for drifting. Just weld the diff. And you can pick them up for $2k. A lot of people will buy an angle kit(there are a bunch of pre-fabbed options) for $1k. It's obviously nothing like RTR Mustangs that win in Formula Drift, but it's super fun and cheap
After having a s197 platform I can say the stock suspension SUCKS however if you are someone who loves working on their own cars the suspension is the first thing to overhaul and that ford 8.8 rear end is pretty durable
@@billmcmeekin7909You're much more likely to live in the Mustang if you crash though. I crashed my 2012 Mustang at 45 mph because some idiot ran a red light and I ended up T-boning them but I walked away with just a couple of scratches. If I would have been in a Corvette I would have been gone.
@@PatchesOHoulihan-hi2tb Your a lucky man Patches! I've had some extensive driver training, some by retired RCMP crash investigators. Your crash is one of the worst. Frontal crashes are mitigated by airbags and your chest is wide but narrow in depth, keeping the heart and organs in place from g-force. Hard side impact your chest doesn't contain your internal organs near as well, often tearing your heart away, with catastrophic results. They had seen it often. Usually it's the first vehicle leaving intersection once green light appears, to be struck from red light runner. Tell your loved one " always look left, then right, then left again when first in line to leave on a green". Has worked twice for me now. Cheers bud, you have an angel. Sorry about your ride. Cheers, Bill.
@@billmcmeekin7909 Thank you for the kind words. I'm certainly thankful and blessed to be here. As for the car, the insurance covered that matter up nicely so that was good.
Great video! Glad you pushed that 2013 Mustang GT 5.0 (I've owned a modified and upgraded 2011 Mustang GT 5.0 manual transmission since 2022) a bit so you could experience what these cars feel when you push them on asphalt. The Ford Mustang GT and above (V8 powered) has always been a driver's car (at a good price) that is massive fun, if you have the driver's skill and experience to successfully drive them in their performance zone without wrecking it, killing yourself or someone else. If you are a driver with little to no skills, stay away from them. I've always owned muscle cars and sports cars since I was a young adult. Four cars I've always had in my garages (and I will always have; no matter what the wife says, lol) are Ford Mustangs, Pontiac Trans Ams, Chevrolet Corvettes and Porsche 911 Turbos. Looking forward to seeing more of your channel's videos.
It's just a car that is at the price and entries level for alot of inexperienced people who try just floor it without a straight steering wheel and yeh just low experience for rwd and yeh the mustang is known to be tricky but yeh only for those type people
We had a base eco boost Mustang. I liked driving it as long as I sat high enough to see, especially the right front. It was very comfortable, and the gas mileage was great. My partner who is pretty short was driving it one day and totaled the car (She was fine) hitting two other cars on the right side and right front.
Mine’s a boosted auto and i drift it all the time. Newer ones like the silver and red ones also have advanced trac which is known to cut power even when you have it turned all the way off with the button. Gotta undo the fuse for abs
More automatic factors definitely add more room for error. Auto 2017 here, I always drive in 'manual' paddle shift because factory ECU is not designed to do what you want to do. default tune is for average city drivers, intended for regular road use. Once somebody overdoes it on factory tune, the nannies kick in. You want to control the drift, computer wants to cut power to end drift. Power cuts down until wheels gain traction, faster than you can lift your foot. Suddenly you gain traction in the wrong direction with foot stomped, then begins the d3ath correction battle of ECU vs human. until the overcorrection of the computer spins the car out in an unavoidable yet predictable direction. I honestly believe there would be less accidents if they started going backwards in "fun" cars and reverted some of the advancetrac/stability/traction to more lenient in certain environments or settings. 90% of Mustang drivers are not abiding by typical driving rules/intentions. At the very least, disable advancetrac before horsing around..
I have a 2013 GT, with an Aluminator crate engine and Roush Supercharger, limited to 530hp at the wheels because I kept the stock intake to hide the Supercharger whine. For that, you give up 80 hp at the crank, but 630 hp at the crank is already lots. The issue is always more about getting that power to the ground. No one but me knows there is a Supercharger, making it a sort of sleeper. What the old ones need the most is better shocks/struts or coil overs to control the body and a Watts Linkage to keep the solid axle under the body. The stock shocks/struts are way too soft, allowing way too much body movement. The shocks I have are Bilstein HD, but there are lots of other options. The Watts Linkage I have is by White Line. The stock Panhard bar pushes the axle from one side to the other as the axle goes up and down. I also have Caster/Camber plates, upgraded, adjustable anti-sway bars, lowering springs and a short throw shifter kit. The car rides and drives nothing like stock, which is a good thing.
If properly suspended, and tuned, they are fine on smooth pavement. That means triangulated 4 link or parallel bar four link with panhard bar or watts link, and good damping. The Mustang 3 link is a reasonable, and cheaper to produce, substitute, also less space consuming. My friend has an E55AMG, that I have driven, and it is also a car that you don't want to open the throttle too much, mid corner. I am currently building a four link suspension for the live axle in my '68 AMC Javelin, to replace the parallel leaf springs, with coilovers.
The problem with the S197 are with the brakes and the non-track pack open differential. And the soft suspension. The steering isn’t all that bad when set at sport. It’s nicely weighted and not entirely bereft of feeling and feedback. Put a watts link at the back and change out the dampers and springs, the mustang will run like a champ.
It is the automatic transmissions in the sn95, new edge, and newer mustangs , combined with the limited slip rear that make them so squirrely . Especially the shift from 2nd to third. If you do not let off the throttle at the shift point, the limited slip locks up, wheelspin makes the car go sideways at speed . Mine does.
The solution in my case was to get a kit that mounted the transmission to the shifter. Solid mount - zero spacers or rubber. Slightly more vibration and noise inside, but rifle bolt clean shifts and no issues with shifting.
I'm a 67 yrs old woman and grew up with real American Muscle cars. I've had a lot of really fast street cars, all with posi-track rear ends. The most "dangerous" car I owned was a 1969 American Motors AMX. It was a 2 seater, with 390 cubic in, 373 rear end posi- track, 4 speed car. It was a car that could easily put you in a ditch from a dead stop if you didn't know what you were doing. I owned this car in the early 80's when street racing from red light to red light was a nightly event in the small town I grew up in. I lived in East Tennessee where modified fast cars were born during prohibition in order to outrun the police when hauling moonshine/ liquor. Matter of fact that's how NASCAR was invented. I love street racing, but unfortunately you can't do that without going to jail these days. My hobby turn to drag racing at the track, with my husband, who I met street racing in the little town we grew up in. We still own the 68 Camaro he had in the '80s to this day.
I had a 2014 Mustang, one of many rear wheel drive cars that I have had. I think the issue is with the suspension. It is dialed in for that drag race squat which is great for that launch but can get quite upset with quick movements or bumps. Suspension is a bit too loose. Coils overs with adjustable damping would go a long way in making the car handle like a champ. But I would say drivers lacking experience are primary cause. Also automatic rear wheel drives are another issue as when the driver panics and lets off the gas the wheels will bind up causing a spin, with a manual you push the clutch in and free up the wheels and car will straighten right out.
Mustangs are by far the easiest cars to drive. I've been driving them my entire life. Never had any of those crowd smashing issues that are glorified online. I've driven the late 60s mustang all the way up. Never had any issues with handling or loss of control. So it boils down to those crash videos are of drivers that went from a torquless fwd civic to a torquey v8 rwd mustang... the drivers that never experienced torque before cant handle mustang power. No hate just speaking facts.
When I passed my driving test in 1992 (N Ireland) my dad insured me on his '87 pre face lift ford sierra 1.8L hatchback. The car was already aging badly, but the handling or lack of was the main issue. The car didn' t have much power but the suspension was wallowy, small brakes, rear drums, skinny tyres and rear wheel drive, the experience was comical at low speed and alarming at higher speeds. Even a damp road surface it behaved like it was driving on black ice 🤣. I was so glad when he got rid of it but not after two years, but I suppose it made me a better driver in general with all those issues being the norm for me right at the beginning. 🤣
I have the Roush version of the S197 (the older silver one), and the Roush suspension really tightens things up. No floating boat here! But that stiffer suspension also means that solid rear just lets go a lot sooner. In a straight line, if I hit a bump or something while accelerating hard, the back end wants to step out. And mid corner bumps also make the rear want to come around.
I've driven nothing but manual 5.0 or Cobra (x3) Mustangs since 1992 and they can be a handful if you don't know what your are doing, especially the solid axle versions, but if you know what to expect they haul ass and are a ton of fun!
My personal conclusion: straigt line you need to modulate the throttle a bit if peeling out. Drifting: new stang is fantastic just weld diff or new diff, old stang is also good, needs new brakes and good tires.
If you are going to do any spirited driving in a Mustang, you must disable stabilization control. Also if you’re going to race or drift, you probably want to disable the traction control.
The red Mustang could benefit from the Torsen T-2R LSD which came in the performance pack Mustangs. It's s gear based LSD with more responsiveness. The Trac-Lok LSD in the non performance pack car is a clutch based LSD and it's pretty good, but not as good as the Torsen.
I grew up with solid rear axles 14 years a go I rebuilt an old 3rd gen camaro, I have never had any issues in keeping it in a straight line or in keeping up with european cars through our lanes and up north in the UK we have some class lanes. The worst car I ever had for handling was an Astra 2l GTE rearly bad on understeer.
22:03 for example stay on throttle for transition then brake. It makes transitions smooth. Or brake abit before Transition by gettin in more angle or brake. 22:43 ah yes almost perfect ;D.
In addition to how the rear end and clutch is set up on this car, the other factor that makes it challenging to control is the horsepower to weight ratio. Also, torque and weight distribution over the drive tires factors into how this car handles. Mustangs have a lot horsepower to weight ratios and the engine is in the front. Front engine rear wheel drive cars all have challenges with handling unless they are equipped with traction control. As an example. I have a 2005 Mercedes E55 with engine modifications pushing 550 hp and well over 600 ft pounds of torque with a curb weight of 4200 pounds. Even as heavy as it is, the car is difficult to control with the traction control off.
They actually are pretty safe as far as how they are built and can take a hit and all. And the problem was most ppl can’t handle a live rear axle. But that problem was solved with the 03-04 Mach 1s and cobras and the 2015+ models have the independent rear axle
Ive been daily driving a mustang for decades now with ZERO accidents. And two of my brothers have done the same with ZERO accidents. Most people cant drive. Driving classes should be mandatory here in America.
Weird. I’ve always found the Mustang to be one of the easiest cars to drive aggressively. Drifting almost comes naturally. I didn’t know they were considered dangerous by random German TH-camrs.
my father-in-law, retired jet pilot and a huge car guy with his own toys, came by one time with a mustang cobra 04 05 vintage, it was his neighbors, he took me for a ride; He took it from 0 to over a 100 down a straight but narrow residential street with hills, I thought we were going to take off. Honestly scared the crap out of me, and I like things that go fast Maybe just not when I'm the passenger.
You dont need to weld the diff. You just need more Angle. If you only turn the wheel for 90°. And stay on throttle so it doesnt grip up. Had some nice once when you were committed.
Thanks Sheepman ! Currently in the hospital for my grandpa since 3 days and your videos are helping me getting through the longggg nights !! Keep going man 🫶
I own 2 mustangs a 1965 and a 2012. I stopped driving my 65 due to installing a 508hp Keith Craft race engine, race built c4, 4.62 geared rear end with Detroit locker also stripped down to 2200 pounds. I only rebuilt all drums all the way around, so no stopping power at all, and manual steering. Yeah pretty much a death trap. One day disc brakes all around with rack n pinion steering and ill drive again. Never driven a mustang built after 2014 to see if a difference so this was interesting to watch.
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The problem is too many low skilled drivers buy them as their 1st or 2nd car. I've seen many different models of Mustang stomping ass on road corse tracks. I'm not a Mustang guy, but I can tell you the cars are great, it's the drivers.
Yep, cheap and powerful are synonymous with Mustangs and attracts a lot of lesser skilled and often slightly egotistical drivers who then get into accidents because of their inability to control the car properly when trying to show off. That's basically how the Mustang got its reputation as the "crowd killer".
Nah..it's the car😂
Affordable and plentiful. Law of averages. They aren't worse than other cars, only the sheer numbers available make it seem worse.
Without practice and training, anyone driving powerful rwd can snap themselves into a ditch on accident if they drive it like their fwd car. Unfortunately, nobody tells them that when they buy it.
Naw... It's not.@@chrisgarcia5462
Das "Frag nicht" bei den Handschellen kam so geil... Tränen gelacht. 😅
Das war wirklich so gut 😂😂😂
I was dead😂
Flugen schlagen.
Lol, I am 1 minute in. I saved the video for later.
This is my guess. (No offense to our American Supportors of the excellent vehicles those are.)
They are very popular. People who aren't used to having rear drive, or that type of HP get them.
That combo can be an problem. It doesn't have anything to do with whether or not they are male or female.
When we had 80's to late nineties change from the popular small eco cruiser to sport utility, there was another problem.
No crowds were harmed in the making of this video👍
Maybe one…
@@schaefchen Einer is besser als zwei😂
Impossible
Very unrealistic
Someone had to say it😂
The way the red mustang driver moves himself forward when accelerating is hilarious 😂
Feeling it👀
fighting against those g forces
Bro 😂😂😂
Living your body forward in the car makes you go faster it's a Asian driving technique.
The reason people stack their Mustang is the wheelbase is too short once it gets crossed up it's really hard to uncross it.
If anyone can drift a mustang it’s schaefchen
You will see ;)
Just look at the formula drift mustang
ja otto has the skills :D
@@sussysimonNot much of a Stock Mustang tho😅
@@justindorfler3519yeaah
I had a 2016 Mustang 5liter GT for 5 years and drove it 50,000+ miles. Drove it cross country twice , lots of twist mountain roads. Never experienced any fisftailing or loss of control. Its handling and acceleration were excellent.
My day can't get any better when I hear this "Hello and welcome Back to another certified OG Scheafchen Video"
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2012 here. Pull the Advance Trac fuse. Then Hal 9000 cannot engage to take over auto braking. (even when advance trac is turned off using the button and brake pedal instructions) it will automatically turn back on after 30 mph. Pull the fuse, disabled it completely. Burn outs, drifting, no issues. Use at your own risk. 🎉
You're right unplug the plug by the air filter box on the driver side. I can spin through the first three gears😂😮😂
@@ccwall09 100% that generation will re-engage the safety systems despite being "off". The solution is.. just don't turn off the safety systems unless you absolutely know how to drive it. Note - with everything off, it drives very similar to a 1960s GTO. Loads of power, light rear end, and hard to drive in a straight line as it wants to hop sideways on every shift. :)
Any car is a crowd killer in the hands of an unskilled driver.
Well not a 4 banger…….😂 unless u head straight 4 the crowd and they still have time 2 get away 😅
But some like the Stang have much higher odds.
I have and Love my 2013 Mustang GT Premium, I've added a lot of mods to the Car that makes it track worthy when needed, added Brembo Brakes and Torsion Differential (3.73) from the Shelby GT500, replaced the 2-piece steel driveshaft with a Ford Racing 1-piece Aluminum Shaft, replaced the suspension with a Ford Racing Suspension, and replaced the Stock Shifter with a Barton Shifter and added 19in Shelby GT500 Wheels to accommodate the Brembo Brakes, and last , a Roush Supercharger along with a Ford Racing exhaust system. The Car Drives and handles like a Dream, it also has the Boss 302-S Front Splitter attached as well.
hell yea
As an engineer, drag racer and "Mustang" owner since the 1980s I can tell you exactly what the problem is....Fords Trac-Lok rear differential. The Trac-Lok does not lock up solid and allows an exceptionally high speed differential between the rear wheels, this causes the vehicle to dart left or right into an unrecoverable skid. The other issue is as the clutches in the Trac-Lok wear out the speed differential increases.
So, then, what do you have e to do to correct this?
That does not explain the lousy handling of the millions of Mustangs with open diffs!!
@videogazer801 A solid locking rear differential like a Detroit Locker, G80, Eaton Locker or even an Aussie Locker etc. While noisy in tight turns or parking lots, it's worth the added confidence you gain by having both wheels spinning at the same speed.
@@E1320_ cool, what would be the cost of that product in total with labor?
@videogazer801 If you're on a budget and have an open diff, you can buy a Sparton Locker from Rock Auto for $250 and it's probably 2 or 3 hours labor. If you have a Trac-Lok or clutches in your 8.8 it's going to take 4-6 hours minimum. I'd go with a Detroit Locker $600 and expect 4-6 hours labor to replace the Trac-Lok.
finally a video thats not just a meme, the reason why so many people crash them is because one they are garbage drivers but also the transmission gearing to the diff gearing, it gets you alot of wheel speed and then it hooks and sends them into stuff, its even worse of a problem if it a automatic b/c it will shit and just send it sideways. BUT Mustangs are the best bang for your buck, you can do sooo much for a reasonable price in any motorsport with it. Good vid👍
I think being best bang for buck (power wise) is an issue that causes idiots with no driving education get one.
The main reason besides anything else is just the shear amount of mustangs there are out there. They are easily the highest selling sports car year to year and ever and it’s not very close. Between 05-07 ford sold 500k mustangs. Those are numbers other sports cars would be lucky to get in 10 years. So of course with so many of them out there and lots being sold second hand to young buyers who are inexperienced for cheap (I was one of them) of course there is gonna be significantly more videos of mustangs crashing.
You have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about 🤣🤣🤣. Stick to taking your car into the shop
@@calebemerson9317but that’s just if. There’s more video but no necessarily more accidents. I’ve seen plenty of people spin out in FWD cars. I know more people who have wrecked multiple BMWs than anything else.
People let people buy automatic Mustangs? lol. Had my RWD one and it's rock-solid and predictable. Know how to drive RWD cars and correct for oversteer and it's lovely to drive. Get distracted, hoon around, or show off and it'll send you into a tree in 5 seconds.
Dangerous has no meaning on the og schaefchen channel 😂😂
Bros dropping bangers every video🔥
We try to!
Seems like the OG is getting a new car soon...
A few years ago I got to try a 2013 mustang gt (solid axle). Previous owner put drag tires on it. When I dumped the clutch those tires just grabbed, front end lifted up and the whole car twisted and launched. It was incredible and terrifying at the same time.
The main issue for Mustang drivers with crashes is they are almost always coming out of a car meet driveway, with opposite lock on, cold tires and the blood rush of showing off. Add in the factor that a lot of the ones who crash all have one thing in common, they lift off the throttle in the middle of a slide and turn it into a tank slapper. The live axles are worse at it too!
Lift off oversteer is also a problem as well. People think it's a a car. Nope - it's a RWD solid axle muscle car. Same as the 1960s and 1970s. Only the safety systems keep it on the road and in control most days. Turn those off and it'll swing its rear end around almost as quickly as an old 911. If you don't know HOW to deal with old RWD cars like that, it'll 100% catch you by surprise and spin on you.
Spinning the car a little isn't a problem - all RWD cars want to do that. It's the follow-up overcorrection and panic that is the final nail in the coffin.
@@plektosgaming One little thing though - the S550 is no longer solid axle, it's got an IRS with a limited slip differential. Still easy to screw up and as Schaefen mentioned, the LSD isn't the best
@@UberStrikerful True, but Ford originally built these cars as platforms with modification in mind. Cheap and functional OEM parts built on a budget. If you do race, you simply toss the OEM stuff. The issue is when you race and don't do any mods at all. Then end up sideways.
The issue is too much throttle period
You only need to blip the throttle of a mustang, It has 400+ hp or much more.
Ayyy nice comparison with the straight axle vs independent, I own 5 Mustangs and though they’re not really the best at anything can’t beat the V8 sound and feeling especially a vintage one, the 2015+ you can throw around ok with some mods
The 11-14 mustang does literally the same lap times as an M3 from the same period.
The s197 design 05-14 is just perfect honestly
with cortina suspension. mk3 cortina in fact had double wishbone front so the 1976 cortina has better suspension. pos cars to be avoided.
Looks wise yes. S197 Looks better than any modern mustang imho. And actually looks like a mustang. The s550s and 560s look too European influenced for me. But they do handle better. More grand tourer where as the former is more raw muscle car.
@@krob8823 with 1976 taunus suspension lol. forget looks they drive like shite. utter junk cars.
I don't like the look of the 2005-2009 S197's much but I love the 2010-2012 design. 2013-2014 isn't bad either and what was shown in this video. Also, I know the Coyote 5.0 is a legendary engine, but I much prefer the sound of the 4.6.
@@Tattletale-Delta all crap 1970's suspension junk cars. death traps in fact.
I had a 5.0 mustang convertible like the silver one in the videö for a weekend a long time ago, weirdest suspension i ever felt in any car. It handled like a boat, but it still wasnt comfortable and was pretty rough over bumps. I still dont get how thats even possible.
Solid rear axle
@@user-360johnnSolid rear axle cars can handle very well. Even 1980's Camaros & Trans Ams proved that. The solid axle S197 Boss 302 Mustang is an excellent track car. I own a 2014 Mustang convertible and it certainly doesn't handle like a boat nor is it uncomfortable. Maybe to a soft luxury car owner it is too firm.
@@johnmcmullen456 do they handle better than any of the competition? I say this as a Mustang fan. I doubt they would outhandle a 3 Series coupe or an Infiniti G37.
@@user-360johnnI am involved in autocross and regularly witness a talented driver in a modified but still solid axle 2013 Mustang GT put IRS cars to shame. In fact he was national champion in his class a couple years ago against equally or more highly modified IRS Mustangs & Camaros. Obviously there are some advantages to IRS but solid axles can be made to work very well, such as when using a Watts link.
Lol for it's time yes but today those would be beaten in handling even by a Tesla. @@johnmcmullen456
when you said "First challenge we're gonna see how well they can drive in a straight line because as you can see, its already a struggle for most Mustang drivers" I spit out my coffee💀
I have had my Mustang for over a decade and it's extremely easy to drive. As long as you don't show off, it's very similar to drive to a same era BMW 5 series. Show off and you're sideways.
As a Mustang driver, i love this video! I got en even older one! 2006 with 500 ponnies, never crashed tho! Yet.😅
NA?
The terminator was the 2003-2004 I believe. And those have irs so handle even better then the silver one your guys drove. It also comes with a supercharger from factory. 21:00
I have V8 M3 Competition and my best friend had 2012 Mustang GT, We did long road trips, I love them both, But Mustang with a loud exhaust is a lot more fun.
I've owned both a 14 (same as silver) and a 18 model (facelift version of red one). It's not the differential. It's the amount of stock steering angle mustangs have especially with how long the chassis is. My buddy threw a angle kit on his 2018, stock everything else. Drifts like butter after.
That's why the other 2 drivers tried throwing too much angle and the car just over rotates which you on the other hand didn't throw as much angle since you have the experience but the car would easily snap back straight due to the insufficient amount of angle making it feel like a "open diff"
Ford 8.8 diff is actually a very popular diff in the use of motorsports.
So yeah big issue is stock steering angle in mustangs.
Had a 13 GT manual. Never lost control but could see how so many people wreck them with the way they’re setup, relatively light for the power, especially on the backend. I think a lot of people tend to wreck them simply due to inexperience in the car. They get on the power and don’t realize what the car is doing and then try to hit the breaks or oversteer to correct and spin out and slam into whatever’s around them. Too many driving them like it’s going to go straight everytime.
@@Still_awake19 Yeah experience for sure plays a part, especially in a mustang since your mindset off of video games or watching videos is flicking the thing in and that just wont work with a stock angle Mustang. Throw anybody into an e36 and they'll be able to drift it no problem. I've put my E82 1 series next to a 18 mustang and checked stock max steering lock on both and my BMW has wayyyy more stock angle.
But then hop in a angle kit mustang and it drifts amazing. Mustangs are great cars, but that stock steering angle is not sufficient for that long of a chassis so it tends to over rotate way too easy.
Also to note, I almost always had to 3 point turn my mustang for u turns. With my BMW it's a breeze.
Big reason why you see so many guys drift BMW's, just come out of the box with plenty of angle :)
In any car, the more angle you have the harder it really is to over rotate.
What do you mean with "stock steering angle"? Thanks
@@NoStringsAttached777 just how much angle the wheels have when you fully turn the steering wheel. Obviously more info goes into this like ackerman / camber etc, but to simplfy it when you fully lock your steering wheel your wheels only turn so much. Some cars have more “max steering angle” from factory. Idk stock steering angle number of mustang but just based off visually comparing side by side with my own cars, BMW’s have way more angle from factory
So what most people do in the drift community is add angle kits to reach double the angle the stock suspension components allow which is usually 60+ degrees after angle kits
The problem with s197’s (not sure about s550’s) is that they have a steering stop in the rack which limits the angle immensly.
One of the big reasons I enjoy Otto’s videos. Other then him being a fellow Austrian😂 the skill he has drifting these cars with no angle kits is super impressive compared to him hoping in a s chassis with an angle kit.
Although I can’t wait for the day that he has a car with an angle kit. Going to pull off some absolutely insane drifts when he already drifts better then most guys who run angle kits
The newer Mustangs are pretty good for the price, but older ones are just laughably bad. But lots of fun still.
Oh i def had fun
I wanted a new edge or s197 but the solid rear axles don’t seem as good for handling and comfort
@@user-360johnnI have a Sonic blue New Edge for sale if anyone is interested.. Nice ford true track locking rear diff 😂😂😂
well, its the whole concept of it. cheap car with a huge engine.
@@user-360johnn Having owned both, they're pretty comfortable actually, but you have to keep their age in mind. Handling is good from the S550 gen onwards.
It is not the car that is dangerous, it is the driver that is a problem.
I have a 2015 GT PP1 and one thing I can agree with you on is the LSD, which does cause some issues. Another problem with the S197 and S550 is the rear bushings, which will also cause that snap oversteer that you feel. I have done the Steeda rear subframe braces and Steeda front K-Brace and those makes a big difference in keeping everything straight, but you really need to do poly bushings all in the back from the differential to the subframe and that will help get rid of some of that snap oversteer that you sometimes just aren't ready for. Great video though.
Couple days ago, I asked something abt mustangs in your IG QnA and now we get a whole video. Thank u!
It’s the driver, I use to rip my stock mustang around corners. You have to know what your doing driving any high hp rwd without traction control. Mustangs traction control has came along way in the new 2024s. That’s the first thing I take off is advanced traction control. You can’t mash the gas pedal when your slipping or most people over steer when they are loosing control. It’s all about maintaining speed and control. Tires our a huge factor too. I love just about all rwds. Camaros to me handle like a boat compared to the mustang
What a great and highly entertaining video! 👏👏👏
I always wondered why so many Mustangs ended up in the ditch and I figured it has to do with the rear axle or the differential. Now I know so THX to Mr. Sheepman 🙏
Is this the start of a new series, like “Let me drift” or “Sheepman sends it”? Would be awesome 👍
Did my eyes spot a Sakhir-Orange F82 in the background? 🥴
All the best, Philipp 👋
Series would be a nice idea yes 👀
@@schaefchen I would LOVE to see such a series! ❤️❤️❤️ And I would assume that many other viewers of your channel would also love to see such a series. But it definitely needs a better name than my two “suggestions” 🫣😂
If I do hopefully get my dream car next month I’d happily let you burn “some” rubber with it and enjoy the video footage of it 🙏
Bit by a viper, kicked by a mustang. Why is it chevy guys are the only ones who can control their cars? 😂
Longer wheelbase @@joshmanwaring3848
Has nothing to do with the differential. It's the short wheelbase and power combo.
I have the 2014 and its an automatic and its really fun to drive i can tell you from experience its definetly a dream to drive as a daily and its really really fun to have fun with. Mine is deep impact blue and i have always loved this car everyone loves the tailights on it.
The problem is three fold: there are numerous amounts of Mustangs on the streets of America. They are making plenty of power[ 5.0 ]. Many are bought by kids who modify the car and unfortunately can't handle the power. In the end it's the driver who is to blame.
The size of the engine does not dictate "power" and advertised peak hp numbers are not what's available at all times. Furthermore, you're ignoring torque and torque management by the mechanical and electronic systems. Add to that the fact that 21st century cars allow you to do lots of things before they give you a good scare, and so many drivers _never experience the signs of a problem until there's a problem_ and you might be closer to the mark.
@@bbb462cid HP and torque are POWER.
@@markdellacqua1038 and that's why this issue is a mystery to you
@@bbb462cid The fact that you can complete a non-coherent sentence is a mystery to me,
@@markdellacqua1038 A lot of things surprise you all the time, more than likely.
As someone who lives in America this is badass and we need more videos of you drifting mustangs please
Try a first edition viper, they’re genuinely the most dangerous car on the road lol
My 19 yr old daughter drives a mustang and she loves it. This is a great car with the Ecoboost, more fun than the v8.
i think schaefchen needs an american eddie!
Really fun to watch, thanks
Traction is easy to break as they do have plenty of power. Unpredictable without locking differential.
15:16 "frag nicht" so ein geiler Typ 😂
It's the driver's! I have personally been owning, driving, racing, having fun with Mustangs for at least 60 years. I love Mustangs!
If you really want to have some fun with these cars. Under the hood on driver side finder well is a sensor, unplug it and have fun
if I don't find it tomorrow, i'll send u a photo and u can tell me. 2014 stang GT Track Pack . i won't be able to sleep today.😅
One of the most popular cars for beginner amateur drifting are v6 mustangs from the early 2000. The v6 isn't popular for enthusiast but it's powerful enough for drifting. Just weld the diff. And you can pick them up for $2k. A lot of people will buy an angle kit(there are a bunch of pre-fabbed options) for $1k. It's obviously nothing like RTR Mustangs that win in Formula Drift, but it's super fun and cheap
After having a s197 platform I can say the stock suspension SUCKS however if you are someone who loves working on their own cars the suspension is the first thing to overhaul and that ford 8.8 rear end is pretty durable
I have a 13 Boss, and have to say it does quite well on the road. Not as confident as my C6 Z06, but respectfully well.
@@billmcmeekin7909You're much more likely to live in the Mustang if you crash though. I crashed my 2012 Mustang at 45 mph because some idiot ran a red light and I ended up T-boning them but I walked away with just a couple of scratches. If I would have been in a Corvette I would have been gone.
@@PatchesOHoulihan-hi2tb Your a lucky man Patches! I've had some extensive driver training, some by retired RCMP crash investigators. Your crash is one of the worst. Frontal crashes are mitigated by airbags and your chest is wide but narrow in depth, keeping the heart and organs in place from g-force. Hard side impact your chest doesn't contain your internal organs near as well, often tearing your heart away, with catastrophic results. They had seen it often. Usually it's the first vehicle leaving intersection once green light appears, to be struck from red light runner. Tell your loved one " always look left, then right, then left again when first in line to leave on a green". Has worked twice for me now. Cheers bud, you have an angel. Sorry about your ride. Cheers, Bill.
@@billmcmeekin7909 Thank you for the kind words. I'm certainly thankful and blessed to be here. As for the car, the insurance covered that matter up nicely so that was good.
It's all about discipline.. Mustangs aren't hard to drive, when you respect its power
Good Stuff!! I really want to see you drift a C7 Z06 now 😎
Great video! Glad you pushed that 2013 Mustang GT 5.0 (I've owned a modified and upgraded 2011 Mustang GT 5.0 manual transmission since 2022) a bit so you could experience what these cars feel when you push them on asphalt. The Ford Mustang GT and above (V8 powered) has always been a driver's car (at a good price) that is massive fun, if you have the driver's skill and experience to successfully drive them in their performance zone without wrecking it, killing yourself or someone else. If you are a driver with little to no skills, stay away from them. I've always owned muscle cars and sports cars since I was a young adult. Four cars I've always had in my garages (and I will always have; no matter what the wife says, lol) are Ford Mustangs, Pontiac Trans Ams, Chevrolet Corvettes and Porsche 911 Turbos. Looking forward to seeing more of your channel's videos.
It's just a car that is at the price and entries level for alot of inexperienced people who try just floor it without a straight steering wheel and yeh just low experience for rwd and yeh the mustang is known to be tricky but yeh only for those type people
We had a base eco boost Mustang. I liked driving it as long as I sat high enough to see, especially the right front. It was very comfortable, and the gas mileage was great. My partner who is pretty short was driving it one day and totaled the car (She was fine) hitting two other cars on the right side and right front.
i always thought the problem in "those" videos was people drifting in automatic... so, not sure this test is the answer 😂
Mine’s a boosted auto and i drift it all the time. Newer ones like the silver and red ones also have advanced trac which is known to cut power even when you have it turned all the way off with the button. Gotta undo the fuse for abs
Most errors are made with letting off the gas abruptly and over correcting with the steering !
More automatic factors definitely add more room for error. Auto 2017 here, I always drive in 'manual' paddle shift because factory ECU is not designed to do what you want to do. default tune is for average city drivers, intended for regular road use. Once somebody overdoes it on factory tune, the nannies kick in. You want to control the drift, computer wants to cut power to end drift. Power cuts down until wheels gain traction, faster than you can lift your foot. Suddenly you gain traction in the wrong direction with foot stomped, then begins the d3ath correction battle of ECU vs human. until the overcorrection of the computer spins the car out in an unavoidable yet predictable direction. I honestly believe there would be less accidents if they started going backwards in "fun" cars and reverted some of the advancetrac/stability/traction to more lenient in certain environments or settings. 90% of Mustang drivers are not abiding by typical driving rules/intentions. At the very least, disable advancetrac before horsing around..
I have a 2013 GT, with an Aluminator crate engine and Roush Supercharger, limited to 530hp at the wheels because I kept the stock intake to hide the Supercharger whine. For that, you give up 80 hp at the crank, but 630 hp at the crank is already lots. The issue is always more about getting that power to the ground. No one but me knows there is a Supercharger, making it a sort of sleeper.
What the old ones need the most is better shocks/struts or coil overs to control the body and a Watts Linkage to keep the solid axle under the body. The stock shocks/struts are way too soft, allowing way too much body movement. The shocks I have are Bilstein HD, but there are lots of other options. The Watts Linkage I have is by White Line. The stock Panhard bar pushes the axle from one side to the other as the axle goes up and down. I also have Caster/Camber plates, upgraded, adjustable anti-sway bars, lowering springs and a short throw shifter kit. The car rides and drives nothing like stock, which is a good thing.
Schaefchen bändigt die wilden Mustangs! Geiles Video wie immer! 😂
I drove a 68 mustang ragtop
For a good 20 years . Fun car
289 hypo holley 4V top loader 4 speed .late 1978 era . Verry quick .
Live axles rear end are great for stay line racing
Correct
If properly suspended, and tuned, they are fine on smooth pavement. That means triangulated 4 link or parallel bar four link with panhard bar or watts link, and good damping. The Mustang 3 link is a reasonable, and cheaper to produce, substitute, also less space consuming. My friend has an E55AMG, that I have driven, and it is also a car that you don't want to open the throttle too much, mid corner. I am currently building a four link suspension for the live axle in my '68 AMC Javelin, to replace the parallel leaf springs, with coilovers.
@@ramblerdave1339 all those upgrades just to turn but ok
The problem with the S197 are with the brakes and the non-track pack open differential. And the soft suspension.
The steering isn’t all that bad when set at sport. It’s nicely weighted and not entirely bereft of feeling and feedback.
Put a watts link at the back and change out the dampers and springs, the mustang will run like a champ.
When you coming to South Africa??
It is the automatic transmissions in the sn95, new edge, and newer mustangs , combined with the limited slip rear that make them so squirrely . Especially the shift from 2nd to third. If you do not let off the throttle at the shift point, the limited slip locks up, wheelspin makes the car go sideways at speed . Mine does.
The solution in my case was to get a kit that mounted the transmission to the shifter. Solid mount - zero spacers or rubber. Slightly more vibration and noise inside, but rifle bolt clean shifts and no issues with shifting.
Mustangs aren't hard to drive - it's the lack of skilled, disciplined drivers who have their egos in check.
I'm a 67 yrs old woman and grew up with real American Muscle cars. I've had a lot of really fast street cars, all with posi-track rear ends.
The most "dangerous" car I owned was a 1969 American Motors AMX.
It was a 2 seater, with 390 cubic in, 373 rear end posi- track, 4 speed car.
It was a car that could easily put you in a ditch from a dead stop if you didn't know what you were doing.
I owned this car in the early 80's when street racing from red light to red light was a nightly event in the small town I grew up in.
I lived in East Tennessee where modified fast cars were born during prohibition in order to outrun the police when hauling moonshine/ liquor.
Matter of fact that's how NASCAR was invented.
I love street racing, but unfortunately you can't do that without going to jail these days.
My hobby turn to drag racing at the track, with my husband, who I met street racing in the little town we grew up in.
We still own the 68 Camaro he had in the '80s to this day.
nice vid schaefchen👍👍
I had a 2014 Mustang, one of many rear wheel drive cars that I have had. I think the issue is with the suspension. It is dialed in for that drag race squat which is great for that launch but can get quite upset with quick movements or bumps. Suspension is a bit too loose. Coils overs with adjustable damping would go a long way in making the car handle like a champ. But I would say drivers lacking experience are primary cause. Also automatic rear wheel drives are another issue as when the driver panics and lets off the gas the wheels will bind up causing a spin, with a manual you push the clutch in and free up the wheels and car will straighten right out.
Mustangs are by far the easiest cars to drive. I've been driving them my entire life. Never had any of those crowd smashing issues that are glorified online. I've driven the late 60s mustang all the way up. Never had any issues with handling or loss of control. So it boils down to those crash videos are of drivers that went from a torquless fwd civic to a torquey v8 rwd mustang... the drivers that never experienced torque before cant handle mustang power. No hate just speaking facts.
mustang would be really cool on the channel, especially for the "new" one there are loads of ford performance upgrades
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Yessir congrats
@@schaefchen da hat sich das abo box campen gelohnt hahaha
When I passed my driving test in 1992 (N Ireland) my dad insured me on his '87 pre face lift ford sierra 1.8L hatchback. The car was already aging badly, but the handling or lack of was the main issue. The car didn' t have much power but the suspension was wallowy, small brakes, rear drums, skinny tyres and rear wheel drive, the experience was comical at low speed and alarming at higher speeds. Even a damp road surface it behaved like it was driving on black ice 🤣. I was so glad when he got rid of it but not after two years, but I suppose it made me a better driver in general with all those issues being the norm for me right at the beginning. 🤣
So how many pain pills did you take before doing this? (I understand, driving American cars, you need a little something)
I own a 2013 GT premium with the 6r80 transmission. But once I modified my suspension and installed better brakes, wider tires it handles very well!
I have the Roush version of the S197 (the older silver one), and the Roush suspension really tightens things up. No floating boat here! But that stiffer suspension also means that solid rear just lets go a lot sooner. In a straight line, if I hit a bump or something while accelerating hard, the back end wants to step out. And mid corner bumps also make the rear want to come around.
And that's where the ability of the driver, takes over!
I've driven nothing but manual 5.0 or Cobra (x3) Mustangs since 1992 and they can be a handful if you don't know what your are doing, especially the solid axle versions, but if you know what to expect they haul ass and are a ton of fun!
My personal conclusion: straigt line you need to modulate the throttle a bit if peeling out. Drifting: new stang is fantastic just weld diff or new diff, old stang is also good, needs new brakes and good tires.
If you are going to do any spirited driving in a Mustang, you must disable stabilization control. Also if you’re going to race or drift, you probably want to disable the traction control.
The red Mustang could benefit from the Torsen T-2R LSD which came in the performance pack Mustangs. It's s gear based LSD with more responsiveness. The Trac-Lok LSD in the non performance pack car is a clutch based LSD and it's pretty good, but not as good as the Torsen.
3:31 rear differential makes it a challenge when banging gears ⚙️ especially from 1st to 2nd RIP 🪦 Traction 😂
Finally got the day to see this video, it wasn’t a gt350 but still looking forward to that day. I hope… thank you sheep man.
as a '13 mustang GT 6-speed daily driver, its always fun to see peoples reactions to driving the last live rear axel mustang.
I grew up with solid rear axles 14 years a go I rebuilt an old 3rd gen camaro, I have never had any issues in keeping it in a straight line or in keeping up with european cars through our lanes and up north in the UK we have some class lanes.
The worst car I ever had for handling was an Astra 2l GTE rearly bad on understeer.
I suspect that the independent suspension on the 2016 makes it ride better, stick better, & more controllable.
I like the way you combine nice stuff, good driving skills, nice cars and jokes, funny moments and so on
I owned a 2018 Shelby 500 GT. I still feel sad about trading it! Fast as hell and my favorite car in 50 years of owning and driving cars.
22:03 for example stay on throttle for transition then brake. It makes transitions smooth. Or brake abit before Transition by gettin in more angle or brake. 22:43 ah yes almost perfect ;D.
The real Hanz and Franz !!!!!!!
the old mustang drifts were really nice
That looked like so much fun! Makes me wish I was young again. Thank you for making an old man happy!
Daily non seasonal Mustang driver from Germany here 👋, loved the video as always 👌
The majority of mustang incidents are technical issues. There is usually a faulty nut holding the steering wheel !!!
In addition to how the rear end and clutch is set up on this car, the other factor that makes it challenging to control is the horsepower to weight ratio. Also, torque and weight distribution over the drive tires factors into how this car handles.
Mustangs have a lot horsepower to weight ratios and the engine is in the front. Front engine rear wheel drive cars all have challenges with handling unless they are equipped with traction control.
As an example. I have a 2005 Mercedes E55 with engine modifications pushing 550 hp and well over 600 ft pounds of torque with a curb weight of 4200 pounds.
Even as heavy as it is, the car is difficult to control with the traction control off.
They actually are pretty safe as far as how they are built and can take a hit and all. And the problem was most ppl can’t handle a live rear axle. But that problem was solved with the 03-04 Mach 1s and cobras and the 2015+ models have the independent rear axle
The Mach 1 had a solid rear axle. Only the Cobras had IRS.
Drifting is and sending it is the best content on this channel
18:06 i think its because the new GT’s come with a torsen differential some guy made a video on it, with a regular LSD I think they slide much better
Only the performance pack cars come with the Torsen.
Ive been daily driving a mustang for decades now with ZERO accidents. And two of my brothers have done the same with ZERO accidents. Most people cant drive. Driving classes should be mandatory here in America.
As an owner of several Mustangs, this video is entertaining.
Weird. I’ve always found the Mustang to be one of the easiest cars to drive aggressively. Drifting almost comes naturally. I didn’t know they were considered dangerous by random German TH-camrs.
Otto I knew you'd handle these pony's like a "BOSS" after only one lap!!! NO HALF SENDS❤
my father-in-law, retired jet pilot and a huge car guy with his own toys, came by one time with a mustang cobra 04 05 vintage, it was his neighbors, he took me for a ride; He took it from 0 to over a 100 down a straight but narrow residential street with hills, I thought we were going to take off. Honestly scared the crap out of me, and I like things that go fast Maybe just not when I'm the passenger.
The challenges were just too funny also loved the format of the video. It was something new and fun you should do more of these
You dont need to weld the diff. You just need more Angle. If you only turn the wheel for 90°. And stay on throttle so it doesnt grip up. Had some nice once when you were committed.
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No wonder that the Mustang became a really loved chassis in Formula Drift
In part it’s the Advance Track system, gets out of shape the AT tries to correct at the same time the driver is doing the same.
I own 2 mustangs a 1965 and a 2012. I stopped driving my 65 due to installing a 508hp Keith Craft race engine, race built c4, 4.62 geared rear end with Detroit locker also stripped down to 2200 pounds. I only rebuilt all drums all the way around, so no stopping power at all, and manual steering. Yeah pretty much a death trap. One day disc brakes all around with rack n pinion steering and ill drive again. Never driven a mustang built after 2014 to see if a difference so this was interesting to watch.
Schäfchen is the best Certified Mustang drifter! Really fun/funny vid, loved it!❤️ lol