EXTRA: After this video came out Bajaboard is attacking the channel on multiple facebook groups sharing prints of previous conversation to lie to us… After doing this they also have send few more messages and they erased all our conversation so in that way I couldn’t show that does prints are out of context. This was a video to help them to get better but they are not able to accept that and they prefer to attack a negative review and blame the owner of the board. Hope that this information is helpful. MADpack is here to always tell the truth about this companies if they are good you guys know they are simply simply amazing for me but BAJABOARD is simply Garbage not only the board S2 ATRAX but also the persons behind this brand.
That is a big lie my friend. We do not have the power to delete other people's comments in other groups and even if we did we wouldn't, you can come to the BajaBoard owners on fb and see yourself that someone has posted your video and we didn't remove it from the group. We didn't delete any conversation, not even sure what conversation you are referring to honestly, and as a matter of fact if you want to talk about being transparent we have asked you gently to pin to the top our response so everyone can make their own opinion you have ignore us twice without giving us any reasons. We are open for a discussion without drama or lies.
@@BajaBoard you guys erased all the messages we had on instagram of of them all conversation is gone. so please stop saying that you are open for conversation when you have employee or owners of bajaboard. (Alessandro Noccioli or Mic hael Bradshaw) posting prints of previous conversations that know are all gone so you can use them out of context. I could simply block you from the channel and not give any chances to say few more lies but I leave to the viewer to decide. From now on is end of conversation from me. This is a video where we expose what is wrong with your product if you cant accept and only accept a positive review thats your problem and I can say to you with this kid of attitudes Bajaboard will not be around for much longer. have a great day.
My friends nobody lied here we only exposed what is the true is that your board is garbage. Beside that this video brought to light is the kind of persons that run the business erasing all our conversation on Instagram and making prints of our conversation tongues out of context and since I can’t access anymore because you guys erased I can’t share it anymore. Not an attitude from someone that don’t want lies or don’t want dramas.. plus your employees attacking the channel is Facebook groups shows the kind of people that we find in Bajaboard. Have a great day
@@MADpack Hey Marco, I made a quick video for you and all the viewers, you just need to add this after the youtube watch URL: HkUXpC0hJ88 TH-cam doesn't let us share a link unless you allow it. In the video, I talked about all the points you brought up as a friendly discussion. I or anyone else haven't deleted any comments and I don't even know who Mic hael Bradshaw is. I don't know what "posting prints of previous conversations" you are talking about since we also haven't posted anything anywhere, and this would be pretty easy to prove us wrong. Hopes this clears a lot of doubts. Adeus my friend
Hey Marco and Zak, first we should say that we are going to take all the feedback you guys talked about it because these are valuable lessons for a young company like ours and it's from the bad rider experience that we can actually take actions in the right direction, however, I think we should add some comments to the video because we don't think everything it has been said is correct, btw you should pin this comment to the top so viewers can actually understand the reasoning of some choice. Let's start by saying that we have sold lots of Atrax and Atrax upgrade kits in the last year and even if this board was from our first production, like some others, it's something that we didn't see happening to anyone else. Starting from the beginning of the video we don't use wooden boxes anymore because we had lots of trouble with some countries that don't accept importing wooden boxes. There way around obviously but this will require more documentation, longer shipping time, and more cost to import it for customers due to customs. So what we did instead was we moved to cardboard boxes, like everyone else, we have installed a g-force sensor, also called impact sensor, on the box that goes off if the box experiences over 30g force which it's what happen in this case. As Zak stated some parts are there to break first to prevent any further damages in automotive are called crumple zones and the top arms in the Atrax it's one of those, in fact, what we did we have made the bottom arms very thick because they are going to get damage riding over different terrain, you haven't shown this, and the top thinner because the only times that will get damage is during a crash and not normal riding. For us, this makes way more sense instead of making the bottom thin and the top thick like in the other brand. Regarding the accident we see in the video that screws have been removed on top of the deck, we don't know if there is any other screw that has been removed during the swap of the parts from the shipping damage however we can tell you that if some parts haven't been reassembled correctly don't expect full integrity of the board. You have commented on how thin some parts are but you haven't mentioned the material differences or manufacturing process which matters, aluminum vs steel or CNC vs cast. These are all points that you should have included if you wanted to talk about the chassis. We also don't understand how is bad if the board feels loose and nimble at low speed but then it tight ups and stable at high speed. Isn't that the best of both worlds? With 10" wheels if you are particularly tall or with big feet you can have wheel bites that is why we recommend to those people or to stick to the 8" or get the bigger sister G4, saying that we can see at 8m40s how much the wheel is out of alignment, toe-out, this is something that the rider needs to do straight of the box before even jumping on the board based on his weight. Last we do not offer a refund for a change of mind if you have already received the board, like many other companies, Zak had a bad experience starting from the board arrived damaged by the courier and we thought we would do the right thing and offer a full refund. I would like to make this very clear we DID NOT offer a refund because of your threats in making this video in fact we even told you, Marco, if you wanted to make this "review" to go ahead but we don't think that this completely reflects our product since you didn't even give us the chance to actually look at the board ourself after the shipping accident and making sure that what other customers get is what you are talking about.
Lovely comment that I’m not going to enter in big debate.. the only screws missing on the top were to assemble the bindings on top so they will not affect the structure of the skateboard. And just to finish because I don’t think that I really have to argue with this marketing conversation saying that you offer a refund when you refused in the first place and only saying that you will do if there were no unbiased video shows that all you are saying here are crap… and yes you put the sensor out of the box but why not putting something inside to reduce damage on a possible impact? Are you trying to reduce costs to the end consumer or to your own pocket? Anyway thank you to come here and share your marketing conversation love it but do t change the way that you guys deal with it in private with some message that I didn’t shared that you look like we’re dealing with kids and not with adults and above all with a reputable company. Have a nice day guys
@@MADpack Thank you for the reply but if you are assuming that some screws will not affect the structure why then we put them in the first place? We have offered and given the refund but first, we needed to understand the state of the board I think it's fair to ask that. If you think we are trying to save cost in shipping why would we invest in an impact sensor, which btw cost more than the extra foam itself, and then even send all the replacement parts for free in separate shipping? It just doesn't make sense. I should add that the customer offered to do the replacement himself otherwise we would have sent the board to our contact in the UK so they could do the swap for him. I don't see how we act like kids considering we were responding within 24hrs to the customer emails, offering the refund but obviously at the same time trying to understand the situation. On the other hand, if you want to make a transparent video you should let the other side explain their view and pin our comment to the top.
You are exposing your point and happy that you do that but been honest I’m going is to pin one of you guys lying on Facebook saying that you never offer comissions and you guys never agree that we will work together. I have not even shared half of your lack of respect with Zak like second shipping of parts you guys never answer to his email and just sent him the parts. And he repaired himself otherwise he will have to stay even longer without the board and also pay for shipping it to be repaired. If the sensor is so much expensive next time just spend more in foam if it’s so cheap for you guys. The damaged was made from fedex but you guys are trying to defend yourself trying to blame Zak (that by the way he do sto scooters and electric bikes/mopeds) just to defend your business once again shows well. Have a great day
@@MADpack We aren't blaming this on Zak, the customer shouldn't have fixed the board in the first place because of shipping damage. We really appreciate that he did it but honestly, we are regretting not sending it to one of our technician lessons learned.
Hi everyone, Lets keep it simple please. We try to express our own opinion, both positive and negative for the community to decide which product to buy. I don't dislike this product but I don't agree how easy and significantly the main bulkhead bends on 5mph impact. You all can see I just casually walked off the board at the event. Have a great day please and enjoy your chosen PEVs
I don't normally comment on the video and I should say that I owned for a while a BajaBoard 4WD. After listening to the video and reading through some of the comments it seems like BajaBoard has done the right thing by offering a refund I don't blame this entirely on them considering all the facts, for this reason, I wouldn't take this video as a proper review of the board or company.
This is out opinion about the S2 Atrax… but just to add a company that erase all our conversation on Instagram to use out of context some print screens shows how trustful they are.
Hey Marco! We are totally flattered you chose our product to compare the Baja to but I also want to let everyone know that we at Propel had absolutely no influence on this review. We are seeing it for the first time today, just like you are. We did not arrange to be a part of this video in any way....but we are flattered we were used as your example for what quality should look like. Every day we try to do better. We own our faults and fix them with lots of input from our riders and their feedback. We know we can always do better but not without you guys.
Hello guys and yes I even didn’t informed that this was coming out because in my channel as you guys are aware I do what I want and without an influence of a brand if that was asked (it happened in the past with other brands) I will never do it because I’m not propel, or Bajaboard I do this for the community and in this case I believe that everyone that is purchasing a new Bajaboard should know this. Since you are here next version please put the antena Inside the chassis of the board :)
There's a few things in this video that are worth mentioning. - 6:30, the Endeavor's swingarms are thick, yes, but they're also cast metal. Cast metal is brittle and prone to snapping on impact; seen it happen to many longboard trucks. The Atrax has CNCed lower swingarms and laser cut upper swingarms. Sure, they'll bend in an impact, but I'd rather have it bend than snap. I've taken chunks out of my lower swingarms over rocks with no bending though, so perhaps the issue lies with the rider here. - 7:00, you can dial the brakes back in the settings. I usually run my Atrax at 80-90% and it's fine, but if you don't like the aggression you can turn it down more. - 10:00, the metal of the enclosure box is fairly thin compared to the Endeavor, but it's not problematic because the box isn't handling structural forces. I've smashed mine into rocks and stumps and left big scrapes up it. No issues. It's not a "bomb clock" as you say. Roughly 6000km in and no house fire. - 11:05, the Endeavor's coil shocks have significantly less travel than the Baja coil. I'll have to check the exact number but the Endeavor coils have something like 15mm of travel vs 60+mm on the Baja. More isn't necessarily better; I found that the Endeavor's suspension was fine over gravel and poor asphalt but couldn't soak up anything worse. If the Atrax is "too nimble" for your taste, just tighten the bushing dampers. I appreciate having a board that can actually go around corners, unlike the Endeavor where I often have to hop off and turn it. No matter how loose I set the Endeavor it just cannot go as sharp. - 13:20, the VESCs have similar power delivery nowadays but I wouldn't call them outclassed. My Atrax still beats my Nazare in terms of power, and with only the 60A controllers against the Nazare's Unity (90A per side). - 14:14. Would you expect Apple to give you your money back because you dropped their phone and broke the screen? Case in point. I think they were pretty nice to offer you a refund after you damaged it yourself. - 16:00 again, wanting it inspected is fairly reasonable considering they're offering you a refund after your own fuckup. It's also worth noting that Propel got their own start by directly ripping off the Bajaboard G4X. Have a look at the Propel X4S if you don't believe it. All in all, considering that you work with Propel, and you're complaining about Bajaboard wanting to cover their own ass after offering you a refund, I don't think this is particularly unbiased. Sounds like you're whining that they won't bend over backwards for you.
Thank you so much for your long comment really appreciate.. but after reading all this and after you basically think that I’ve done this video because you think that I’m a little kid in the end your comment seems like someone that really works for Bajaboard. Anyway if you hit with a Bajaboard at max 9kph and the chassis is bend how you hit the bottom in rocks and everything and is still fine? Man lovely comment even referring other brands so it seems honest but also straight away is the comment from Bajaboard.. and one after the other almost no difference in time between them… wired. Have a nice day my friend
@@MADpack He might even work for bajaboard but he raised some good points and you aren't responding to any. Honestly, it makes me wonder how convenient you are promoting Propel board, putting your referral in this video, and Propel being one of the first to comment as soon as it was released. Ah, it was 2am in China when Propel made their comment how convenient again they were up till late on youtube....... Seems to be all well-planned bravo! 👏
Lololololol man if you think this is a promotion of the propel feel free. I would like to ask to your brilliant mind… if Bajaboard offer me a discount code and affiliate link to promote them if I was searching for sales why I would be negatively promote Bajaboard? If I can promote both and receive from both sides? Start thinking a bit before saying stupid things bro
Not all VESC based controllers are the same. If you set a Unity to 90 motor amps, that's total. The Unity doesn't set motor current or battery current per side, despite how it appears in VESC tool. It appears that way, due to how single-MCU ESCs were incorporated into the main firmware. If you have a Unity with 90 amps at motor current, it's 45 per motor. And if you have a standard VESC based controller with 60 motor amps, that's per motor. So that comparison isn't likely equal.
I own 2 bajaboard atrax's and I love it. Bajaboard has been supportive. I guess it's not for everyone. Just buy a board that fits each person's preference, financial situation, etc.
*One hell of a cold open.* 😲 Very informative video! It's so important to hear about stuff like this, if everyone just gives glowing reviews then you never get a full, balanced look so thank you, this is gonna help a LOT of people. ⚡🤙🏼🤙🏼⚡
I totally agree with you and I even didn’t say all the crappy way that Bajaboard talked to me related to this situation or completely ignored when he asked for more parts since there were more broken parts but love the fact they came in the video even trying to show that they are angels and that we didn’t want to sort this just to get the money back. Is really sad… companies like this they really do t go really far.
Sounds like a lot of your beef is mistakes made by the shipping company. It’s anything but unbiased. I’ve ridden a bajaboard for a year and have had several interactions with the Baja team. They’ve always acted ethically and kindly. I guess it just bums me out that you’d dedicate a 20 minute smear video without painting the whole picture. It’s irresponsible.
Is true is irresponsible that I didn’t share before they erased all our conversation on Instagram the way they talked to me or they continue to talk in Facebook groups.. is also unresponsive that I didn’t share all the emails that Zak had to sent to get his money back really unresponsable. I’m happy that you are happy with your board if I was in your place also I will try my best to be because to spend $4000 in that garbage definitely you need to have that state of mind otherwise you just feel that you throw away $4000 away.. and I believe you missed a lot of parts of the video. Low quality materials, bend at 9kph max, poor controller.. deck uncomfortable and deck bite… all this is enough to see that $4000 for this only if you are crazy
We, me and my brother just ordered yesterday our new Bajaboard atrax and we will let you now if there are any issues with that. But i have the impression, that you are just getting paid from a competitor. This is obvious.... when i receive something with a damage you discribed, i have to send it back because in any other case you´ll lose the warranty. But your former videos "Bajaboard killer aso..." just leaves the impression... that you just welcomed it! Just to make that clear, i see the first mistake on the shipping company and the 2nd was yours not sending back the damaged board! This is my own view.... it is not fair in any way..
Sorry to say you can only be blind when this board was bough by my friend with his own money. Is just ridiculous your comment my friend.. so baja offers to pay me commissions and Do you think if the product was good I will not advertise to make more money?! Have you seen there video response?! Lolololol they was attacking my channel but they just hurt even more themselves like saying about the aluminium in the bottom had high risk of damaging the battery and they show a used one saying that was impossible and when showing the inside you could see 3 big dents lololololol or even saying that was our fault that it bend but they where changing the design where we said was the problem… before you say stupid things please just think about it before. Have a great day
lucky I saw this video I was going to purchase one of these boards after having similar problems with evolve skateboards evolve boards are straight junk couldn't get it to last any longer than 2 months 3 max with all new parts replaced each time customer service was the worst I had ever dealt with aswell so heads up people avoid evolve
The one telling thing with boards that I noticed when researching for a long time now, trampa are the ones out in the fields and in competitions, you will never see a bajaboard compete with trampa because they simply can't. I love the concept of the baja, but it's execution is clearly piss poor.
Thanks for this video. You don’t always get whet you pay for in a premium brand. Just so everyone knows, that board is over 4000 USD!!! WOW. I hope that more people watch this to avoid making a huge mistake in thinking that they are going to get the “Best”
Definitely my friend I was really sad but the worst was the way they basically talked to me and even all the problems they gave to Zak to get his money back
My buddy has a Bajaboard, it's great for cruising the streets but they're not that great for offroad. Most esk8 guys are switching to euc just because you can do so much more with them.
Definitely and is like Zak have said they advertise as it is for extreme off-road but after on the manual it says to don’t use for off road is ridiculous
I have the Endeavor Pro and Im very happy its very rugged n heavy duty. These skateboard companies will never give you back your money. I could barely get my money from paypal complaint against Meepo. They say the Hurricane is IP67 but when I asked customer service they said no its not IP67????
Seems like Ecomobl is the way to go for a nice quality offroad mtn board. The M24pro is ~$1.5 cheaper & ppl I know that rides them are very happy with them. I get the attraction of eboards but not mtn boards tho as I think a good EUC will likely do everything & then some. In that vein, I got a mini cruiser & the new Eovan GTS Super coming in for this season. But ya, I'd never buy a Bajaboard nor am I their target customer.
@@MADpack No worries bud, like you I'm into anythings thats fun & fast (hopefully affordable too). I find riding esk8s to be a very different physical & cerebral experience from EUCs to find it very challenging & fun even going slow. On EUCs, I need to go like stink or its ZZZzzzz time.
I totally agree with you I normally ride esk8 at 27kph that’s my speed I can go up to 40 but I don’t feel comfortable with EUC my normal speed is at 58-63kph and max speed for me is 71kph so yeah agree with you 100%
This is a review from a childish perspective. I have a G4X and do very extreme off roading with it, as well as general work commuting. It is an amazing experience to ride. I have broken many parts and spent a good amount of money replacing them. It is the same with any sport, try street skating, mountain biking, motocross, windsurfing.... any sport you crash, break parts and spend money. Bajaboard has always been reasonably responsive and I am a satisfied customer. Also the J in Baja is pronounced like an H.
My friend if you thinking normal do bend the chassis at walking speed I have nothing to say to your comment beside also this is not really a review this is a customer experience And a bad one. Loved the video that BB have made in response lolol the bottom part is strong and when they show the inside 3 massive dents putting pressure in what was the battery inside shows that they lost a good opportunity to be quiet.. this is just an example all the video was hilarious
@@MADpack I thought it was funny because the two of your voices sounded very high pitched. Like a couple of nannies on a bench whining about the quality of knitting needles or something. Making something ground breaking like the S2 or G4 is a lot of hard work. Plus global logistics and running a business in pandemic... Obviously there are going to be bad experiences. For us that take the bad experiences in stride -we keep supporting BB because we know that they are setting new boundaries in eskate and PEV in general. You shouldn't try to undercut their business, your friend got his money back. We are all just trying to have a good time, dude.
@@MADpack You can be a hater and keep this video or delete it and understand that making real things and bringing value to the world is not as easy as setting up a tripod and editing a video. They aren't billionaires over there its a few dudes in a shop and a factory in china. All real jobs contributing to us having a fun life.
I was never a hater but after all the insults from Bajaboard employees forgetting they are representing a brand and calling names like school kids shows the reality of what is BAJABOARD and from that moment I’m not a hater because that means that I care about Bajaboard but I would never remove the truth for the ones that think to buy a BAJABOARD from a company run by a bunch of kids that never learn that the word respect.
Before you bash a brand, best you get your facts right. I went to the website, the price on the comparison board is 2,7900, so you can't get 3 of them for the price of a baja.
We didn’t try or want to review any other bajaboard. The company it self is not worth it the time and effort we made this video because more people should know how bad they are
Unfortunately you only have 2 options on the market Bajaboard and propel. Propel came out with the endeavour 2 have a look on that. I have review the endeavour on the channel: th-cam.com/video/xCEVzz-_vjc/w-d-xo.html
@@MADpack Actually Ecomobl M24 is a third alternative also - didn`t test it, but because of the direct drive I`d like to compare ist with my Bajaboard...
As the owner of a Bajaboard S2 Atrax, Ecomobl M24 and a Propel X4S here’s my take. The M24 is really loud, screaming loud. The Propel is also very loud and you ride unusually high up. The Bajaboard has the most comfortable riding position here. The Lingyi esc on the Propel is very jerky. The M24 is slightly better. The Bajaboard has the smoothest acceleration. Off road the Propel is great but much bulkier and heavy to maneuver. The Bajaboard feels the lightest and most agile off road of the 3. I sold the X4S and M24. Just my take.
I'll make this debate very simple. In my opinion I don't see $4,000 USD worth of value in this board. Also from my experience I can see that this board looks very uncomfortable to ride. As to quality of parts I will not chime in but just like a toothless crackhead, I calls em like I see em.
With all these PEV companies popping up. 3k boards better have some customer responsibility. Something needs to check on the quality assurance. Go get em Marco.
I care about you guys imagine when they start saying that they will not refund one of my best friends… I will always say the truth about pevs because when I will start not saying the truth I will not have you guys to support me anymore
I am a (2020) bajaboard S2 owner. As I have the older brother of the Atrax I can go indepth on some of the things that have been lacking with bajaboard and their products. First, the chassis was stronger on the older model and didn't need that silly brace. Sadly the middle box is just slightly thicker so it can still bend but you need both legs to do it. Second, the controller uses the 2.4ghz band. I have a remote the is wifi protocol maybe ver 2. All I know is the it is very susceptible to outside interference. I am basically on my third controller with each one costing $200 and I still have disconnects to this day. Sadly I also am experiencing battery failure in all of my controllers except for the newest one. I don't know but judging by the video the controller is still the same as mine, crap. Third, the shipping has always been insufficient. Even my board came in one box of thin cardboard. With nothing else but balls of paper and some thin Styrofoam sheet over important components. I am lucky that my board wasn't damaged in shipping. Forth, bajaboard uses dicast aluminum on some of their components just like other boards. I know I have broken components and looked at their metal grain. So anyone who says that the endeavor uses cheaper materials does not know what they are talking about. All companies cheap out on components when they can especially bajaboard with their closeness to one of the cheapest manufacturing hubs in the world. Fifth, there are glaring design flaws that would prevent a lot of the issues I and others have had with my board and it's even older brothers. I was hoping the Atrax would fix all of the issues I have experienced with its older brother. Sadly, they just hyper focused and overengineered on some key areas like the turning and drive gear at the expense of cheaping out on other components of the board. I do have to commended them on their customer communication when you don't have a problem. I wanted to customize my S2 by putting three of their batteries in parallel and they helped me a lot in understanding their electronics and getting them to work correctly. The board worked and I was riding for over 70 miles at a time but sadly the glaring design flaws came with a vengeance. My belts would last more than 40 to 50 miles, the tires were so thin for an offroad board the I broke traction with even the tiniest braking, and the drive shaft needed to come out for service almost as much as the belts breaking. The drive shaft had these tiny plastic caps that is supposed to protect from metal on metal contact. All these issues could be fixed with just a change in materials and they would last 10X longer. So I had had enough wasting money especially because I had to buy these things directly from them in Australia. I built my own diy with a gear drive and 3kw battery this past month and I have had zero issues with any breaking or wearing out. Point is this company has been making boards for over 5 years now and have produced more board models than some of the other esk8 brands yet they still can't make a product with no glaring flaws is extremely disappointing.
Thank you so so much for your super in depth review as a real owner of a Bajaboard. In the end of the day what I have to say is that I’m happy that you move forward and you stopped using their board that as you explain in a very in depth review is not worth it the money also really important for future “owners” of this lack of quality board to know even how is shipped out like Zak was saying on this video. Thank you man you made a great service to the community sharing your experience.
Man think a bit my friend… the board is from my friend not mine… propel pays me if I sell a board for them like Bajaboard was going to do for me. Nobody pays me to do a video about something. Happy that you love your board… but is normal that you can fell affected since is your investment and your board we are talking about… but no sore to disappoint you nobody have paid anything to me or my friend…
Brother I have a bajaboard s2 atrax enduro setup is nice machine 👌 I don't know why you are talking badly of it? Guys you are talking to much 🙄 you don't even know how to ride it,I saw you guys on it you are looking 85 years old ,so I suggest you ride and practice more than talk
Lol happy that you are a great rider and much better than us.. I’m happy for you and enjoy your board.. if you are so happy with a such poor quality board for the price you paid. I understand if I had payed £3000 in a board like yours I will hate that someone tell me that was a stupid investment. Have a good day and safe riding
Bro you can check the test we made for the propel and came out I. Perfect conditions the bajaboard didn’t last a walking hit so yeah nothing more to add on the bajaboard my friend
Soooooooo… “I’ll give you a refund if you convince your friend to not make a video with the truth?” - now that’s NOT a serious way to work. I’ve never been interested in this kind of mobility and this doesn’t help at all. Thanks for the video and tks Zak for the real life experience.
Yeah but they are coming in here like they are the saints and basically bringing people that work for them on the comments attacking me like if I was advertising propel when they offer me affiliate program to receive money from them. Who with there perfect mind will not try to push in this case propel and Bajaboard in one video to get payed from both brands? They are ridiculous bro
this video is what happens when spoilt child feels powerful because they a couple hundred subscribers on TH-cam... You should have let the company fix the board. period
My friend if you think I do this for the views or money they I get out of it you are so wrong but in the end this video is out so everyone can take there conclusions. I save life’s in a hospital everyday so that is more powerful than everything else. Go and work with patients that have just months of life and you will understand what I’m talking about. You don’t know me and definitely you don’t follow me so is easy looking to one video saying whatever comes to your mind about someone you never saw. Have a great day my friend
@@MADpack whoever you've been, whatever you've done has absolutely no meaning here... the present fact is that In this video you showed a vicious part of your self that is drunk with power... hungry for revenge and out to cause damage. So just like a spoilt child. Maybe you should stay saving lives rather trying to purposefully ruin people's businesses and livelihoods.
You can look in that way I do this not for power but to avoid that other persons spend money on a company that is selling you crap. I don’t care about the brand the brand is on the market to make a good product. I care about the community and who follows me. You see this as a child with power i see as a community that I care and more than 8000persons that cares about what I say and I do this for them not for the brands… if a product is good I say is good if a product is bad and a company even is erasing all Instagram conversation to use print screens out of context just to defend themselves who is doing the children here? If you have nothing to hide why erasing all conversation on Instagram?!
@@MADpack spin the story anyway you want... choosing to fix a board yourself when it arrives damaged was the mistake that initiated all the subsequent drama, and now everything you are doing in this "war" you are doing to cover yourself not for your "community" or the people you save everyday... you're a false hero
Man I give the face every week in here it was not me erasing all Instagram conversation and calling names on Facebook groups so to be honest I don’t care what you think because you are not one of my followers I believe that you are just another employee from Baja. Feel free to send more messages I will continue to answer you back. I have nothing to protect myself my friend… this video started from me helping a friend a friend to get what is his right… HIS MONEY BACK! have a great day thank you to help this video to rank. Byeeee
My friend is not used to be in camera and since is just a talk you can see them more often. Beside that didn’t wanted to leave ahhhhh hummmm parts brings 0 value to the message of the video have a great day
EXTRA: After this video came out Bajaboard is attacking the channel on multiple facebook groups sharing prints of previous conversation to lie to us… After doing this they also have send few more messages and they erased all our conversation so in that way I couldn’t show that does prints are out of context. This was a video to help them to get better but they are not able to accept that and they prefer to attack a negative review and blame the owner of the board. Hope that this information is helpful. MADpack is here to always tell the truth about this companies if they are good you guys know they are simply simply amazing for me but BAJABOARD is simply Garbage not only the board S2 ATRAX but also the persons behind this brand.
That is a big lie my friend. We do not have the power to delete other people's comments in other groups and even if we did we wouldn't, you can come to the BajaBoard owners on fb and see yourself that someone has posted your video and we didn't remove it from the group. We didn't delete any conversation, not even sure what conversation you are referring to honestly, and as a matter of fact if you want to talk about being transparent we have asked you gently to pin to the top our response so everyone can make their own opinion you have ignore us twice without giving us any reasons. We are open for a discussion without drama or lies.
@@BajaBoard you guys erased all the messages we had on instagram of of them all conversation is gone. so please stop saying that you are open for conversation when you have employee or owners of bajaboard. (Alessandro Noccioli or Mic hael Bradshaw) posting prints of previous conversations that know are all gone so you can use them out of context. I could simply block you from the channel and not give any chances to say few more lies but I leave to the viewer to decide. From now on is end of conversation from me. This is a video where we expose what is wrong with your product if you cant accept and only accept a positive review thats your problem and I can say to you with this kid of attitudes Bajaboard will not be around for much longer. have a great day.
My friends nobody lied here we only exposed what is the true is that your board is garbage. Beside that this video brought to light is the kind of persons that run the business erasing all our conversation on Instagram and making prints of our conversation tongues out of context and since I can’t access anymore because you guys erased I can’t share it anymore. Not an attitude from someone that don’t want lies or don’t want dramas.. plus your employees attacking the channel is Facebook groups shows the kind of people that we find in Bajaboard. Have a great day
@@BajaBoard nobody believes you. You're dog water.
@@MADpack Hey Marco, I made a quick video for you and all the viewers, you just need to add this after the youtube watch URL: HkUXpC0hJ88
TH-cam doesn't let us share a link unless you allow it. In the video, I talked about all the points you brought up as a friendly discussion. I or anyone else haven't deleted any comments and I don't even know who Mic hael Bradshaw is. I don't know what "posting prints of previous conversations" you are talking about since we also haven't posted anything anywhere, and this would be pretty easy to prove us wrong. Hopes this clears a lot of doubts. Adeus my friend
Hey Marco and Zak, first we should say that we are going to take all the feedback you guys talked about it because these are valuable lessons for a young company like ours and it's from the bad rider experience that we can actually take actions in the right direction, however, I think we should add some comments to the video because we don't think everything it has been said is correct, btw you should pin this comment to the top so viewers can actually understand the reasoning of some choice.
Let's start by saying that we have sold lots of Atrax and Atrax upgrade kits in the last year and even if this board was from our first production, like some others, it's something that we didn't see happening to anyone else.
Starting from the beginning of the video we don't use wooden boxes anymore because we had lots of trouble with some countries that don't accept importing wooden boxes. There way around obviously but this will require more documentation, longer shipping time, and more cost to import it for customers due to customs. So what we did instead was we moved to cardboard boxes, like everyone else, we have installed a g-force sensor, also called impact sensor, on the box that goes off if the box experiences over 30g force which it's what happen in this case.
As Zak stated some parts are there to break first to prevent any further damages in automotive are called crumple zones and the top arms in the Atrax it's one of those, in fact, what we did we have made the bottom arms very thick because they are going to get damage riding over different terrain, you haven't shown this, and the top thinner because the only times that will get damage is during a crash and not normal riding. For us, this makes way more sense instead of making the bottom thin and the top thick like in the other brand.
Regarding the accident we see in the video that screws have been removed on top of the deck, we don't know if there is any other screw that has been removed during the swap of the parts from the shipping damage however we can tell you that if some parts haven't been reassembled correctly don't expect full integrity of the board.
You have commented on how thin some parts are but you haven't mentioned the material differences or manufacturing process which matters, aluminum vs steel or CNC vs cast. These are all points that you should have included if you wanted to talk about the chassis.
We also don't understand how is bad if the board feels loose and nimble at low speed but then it tight ups and stable at high speed. Isn't that the best of both worlds?
With 10" wheels if you are particularly tall or with big feet you can have wheel bites that is why we recommend to those people or to stick to the 8" or get the bigger sister G4, saying that we can see at 8m40s how much the wheel is out of alignment, toe-out, this is something that the rider needs to do straight of the box before even jumping on the board based on his weight.
Last we do not offer a refund for a change of mind if you have already received the board, like many other companies, Zak had a bad experience starting from the board arrived damaged by the courier and we thought we would do the right thing and offer a full refund. I would like to make this very clear we DID NOT offer a refund because of your threats in making this video in fact we even told you, Marco, if you wanted to make this "review" to go ahead but we don't think that this completely reflects our product since you didn't even give us the chance to actually look at the board ourself after the shipping accident and making sure that what other customers get is what you are talking about.
Lovely comment that I’m not going to enter in big debate.. the only screws missing on the top were to assemble the bindings on top so they will not affect the structure of the skateboard. And just to finish because I don’t think that I really have to argue with this marketing conversation saying that you offer a refund when you refused in the first place and only saying that you will do if there were no unbiased video shows that all you are saying here are crap… and yes you put the sensor out of the box but why not putting something inside to reduce damage on a possible impact? Are you trying to reduce costs to the end consumer or to your own pocket? Anyway thank you to come here and share your marketing conversation love it but do t change the way that you guys deal with it in private with some message that I didn’t shared that you look like we’re dealing with kids and not with adults and above all with a reputable company. Have a nice day guys
@@MADpack Thank you for the reply but if you are assuming that some screws will not affect the structure why then we put them in the first place? We have offered and given the refund but first, we needed to understand the state of the board I think it's fair to ask that. If you think we are trying to save cost in shipping why would we invest in an impact sensor, which btw cost more than the extra foam itself, and then even send all the replacement parts for free in separate shipping? It just doesn't make sense. I should add that the customer offered to do the replacement himself otherwise we would have sent the board to our contact in the UK so they could do the swap for him. I don't see how we act like kids considering we were responding within 24hrs to the customer emails, offering the refund but obviously at the same time trying to understand the situation. On the other hand, if you want to make a transparent video you should let the other side explain their view and pin our comment to the top.
You are exposing your point and happy that you do that but been honest I’m going is to pin one of you guys lying on Facebook saying that you never offer comissions and you guys never agree that we will work together. I have not even shared half of your lack of respect with Zak like second shipping of parts you guys never answer to his email and just sent him the parts. And he repaired himself otherwise he will have to stay even longer without the board and also pay for shipping it to be repaired. If the sensor is so much expensive next time just spend more in foam if it’s so cheap for you guys. The damaged was made from fedex but you guys are trying to defend yourself trying to blame Zak (that by the way he do sto scooters and electric bikes/mopeds) just to defend your business once again shows well. Have a great day
@@MADpack We aren't blaming this on Zak, the customer shouldn't have fixed the board in the first place because of shipping damage. We really appreciate that he did it but honestly, we are regretting not sending it to one of our technician lessons learned.
Hi everyone, Lets keep it simple please.
We try to express our own opinion, both positive and negative for the community to decide which product to buy. I don't dislike this product but I don't agree how easy and significantly the main bulkhead bends on 5mph impact. You all can see I just casually walked off the board at the event. Have a great day please and enjoy your chosen PEVs
I don't normally comment on the video and I should say that I owned for a while a BajaBoard 4WD. After listening to the video and reading through some of the comments it seems like BajaBoard has done the right thing by offering a refund I don't blame this entirely on them considering all the facts, for this reason, I wouldn't take this video as a proper review of the board or company.
This is out opinion about the S2 Atrax… but just to add a company that erase all our conversation on Instagram to use out of context some print screens shows how trustful they are.
Hey Marco! We are totally flattered you chose our product to compare the Baja to but I also want to let everyone know that we at Propel had absolutely no influence on this review. We are seeing it for the first time today, just like you are. We did not arrange to be a part of this video in any way....but we are flattered we were used as your example for what quality should look like. Every day we try to do better. We own our faults and fix them with lots of input from our riders and their feedback. We know we can always do better but not without you guys.
Hello guys and yes I even didn’t informed that this was coming out because in my channel as you guys are aware I do what I want and without an influence of a brand if that was asked (it happened in the past with other brands) I will never do it because I’m not propel, or Bajaboard I do this for the community and in this case I believe that everyone that is purchasing a new Bajaboard should know this. Since you are here next version please put the antena Inside the chassis of the board :)
There's a few things in this video that are worth mentioning.
- 6:30, the Endeavor's swingarms are thick, yes, but they're also cast metal. Cast metal is brittle and prone to snapping on impact; seen it happen to many longboard trucks. The Atrax has CNCed lower swingarms and laser cut upper swingarms. Sure, they'll bend in an impact, but I'd rather have it bend than snap. I've taken chunks out of my lower swingarms over rocks with no bending though, so perhaps the issue lies with the rider here.
- 7:00, you can dial the brakes back in the settings. I usually run my Atrax at 80-90% and it's fine, but if you don't like the aggression you can turn it down more.
- 10:00, the metal of the enclosure box is fairly thin compared to the Endeavor, but it's not problematic because the box isn't handling structural forces. I've smashed mine into rocks and stumps and left big scrapes up it. No issues. It's not a "bomb clock" as you say. Roughly 6000km in and no house fire.
- 11:05, the Endeavor's coil shocks have significantly less travel than the Baja coil. I'll have to check the exact number but the Endeavor coils have something like 15mm of travel vs 60+mm on the Baja. More isn't necessarily better; I found that the Endeavor's suspension was fine over gravel and poor asphalt but couldn't soak up anything worse. If the Atrax is "too nimble" for your taste, just tighten the bushing dampers. I appreciate having a board that can actually go around corners, unlike the Endeavor where I often have to hop off and turn it. No matter how loose I set the Endeavor it just cannot go as sharp.
- 13:20, the VESCs have similar power delivery nowadays but I wouldn't call them outclassed. My Atrax still beats my Nazare in terms of power, and with only the 60A controllers against the Nazare's Unity (90A per side).
- 14:14. Would you expect Apple to give you your money back because you dropped their phone and broke the screen? Case in point. I think they were pretty nice to offer you a refund after you damaged it yourself.
- 16:00 again, wanting it inspected is fairly reasonable considering they're offering you a refund after your own fuckup.
It's also worth noting that Propel got their own start by directly ripping off the Bajaboard G4X. Have a look at the Propel X4S if you don't believe it.
All in all, considering that you work with Propel, and you're complaining about Bajaboard wanting to cover their own ass after offering you a refund, I don't think this is particularly unbiased. Sounds like you're whining that they won't bend over backwards for you.
Thank you so much for your long comment really appreciate.. but after reading all this and after you basically think that I’ve done this video because you think that I’m a little kid in the end your comment seems like someone that really works for Bajaboard. Anyway if you hit with a Bajaboard at max 9kph and the chassis is bend how you hit the bottom in rocks and everything and is still fine? Man lovely comment even referring other brands so it seems honest but also straight away is the comment from Bajaboard.. and one after the other almost no difference in time between them… wired. Have a nice day my friend
@@MADpack He might even work for bajaboard but he raised some good points and you aren't responding to any. Honestly, it makes me wonder how convenient you are promoting Propel board, putting your referral in this video, and Propel being one of the first to comment as soon as it was released.
Ah, it was 2am in China when Propel made their comment how convenient again they were up till late on youtube....... Seems to be all well-planned bravo! 👏
Lololololol man if you think this is a promotion of the propel feel free. I would like to ask to your brilliant mind… if Bajaboard offer me a discount code and affiliate link to promote them if I was searching for sales why I would be negatively promote Bajaboard? If I can promote both and receive from both sides? Start thinking a bit before saying stupid things bro
Not all VESC based controllers are the same. If you set a Unity to 90 motor amps, that's total. The Unity doesn't set motor current or battery current per side, despite how it appears in VESC tool. It appears that way, due to how single-MCU ESCs were incorporated into the main firmware. If you have a Unity with 90 amps at motor current, it's 45 per motor. And if you have a standard VESC based controller with 60 motor amps, that's per motor. So that comparison isn't likely equal.
@@TheBoardGarage I have my Unity set to 90 motor amps per side, so 180A total. I understand how VESCs work.
I own 2 bajaboard atrax's and I love it. Bajaboard has been supportive. I guess it's not for everyone. Just buy a board that fits each person's preference, financial situation, etc.
Im really happy that you love yours. Best regards
*One hell of a cold open.* 😲
Very informative video! It's so important to hear about stuff like this, if everyone just gives glowing reviews then you never get a full, balanced look so thank you, this is gonna help a LOT of people.
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I totally agree with you and I even didn’t say all the crappy way that Bajaboard talked to me related to this situation or completely ignored when he asked for more parts since there were more broken parts but love the fact they came in the video even trying to show that they are angels and that we didn’t want to sort this just to get the money back. Is really sad… companies like this they really do t go really far.
Sounds like a lot of your beef is mistakes made by the shipping company. It’s anything but unbiased. I’ve ridden a bajaboard for a year and have had several interactions with the Baja team. They’ve always acted ethically and kindly.
I guess it just bums me out that you’d dedicate a 20 minute smear video without painting the whole picture. It’s irresponsible.
Is true is irresponsible that I didn’t share before they erased all our conversation on Instagram the way they talked to me or they continue to talk in Facebook groups.. is also unresponsive that I didn’t share all the emails that Zak had to sent to get his money back really unresponsable. I’m happy that you are happy with your board if I was in your place also I will try my best to be because to spend $4000 in that garbage definitely you need to have that state of mind otherwise you just feel that you throw away $4000 away.. and I believe you missed a lot of parts of the video. Low quality materials, bend at 9kph max, poor controller.. deck uncomfortable and deck bite… all this is enough to see that $4000 for this only if you are crazy
We, me and my brother just ordered yesterday our new Bajaboard atrax and we will let you now if there are any issues with that. But i have the impression, that you are just getting paid from a competitor. This is obvious.... when i receive something with a damage you discribed, i have to send it back because in any other case you´ll lose the warranty. But your former videos "Bajaboard killer aso..." just leaves the impression... that you just welcomed it! Just to make that clear, i see the first mistake on the shipping company and the 2nd was yours not sending back the damaged board! This is my own view.... it is not fair in any way..
Sorry to say you can only be blind when this board was bough by my friend with his own money. Is just ridiculous your comment my friend.. so baja offers to pay me commissions and Do you think if the product was good I will not advertise to make more money?! Have you seen there video response?! Lolololol they was attacking my channel but they just hurt even more themselves like saying about the aluminium in the bottom had high risk of damaging the battery and they show a used one saying that was impossible and when showing the inside you could see 3 big dents lololololol or even saying that was our fault that it bend but they where changing the design where we said was the problem… before you say stupid things please just think about it before. Have a great day
lucky I saw this video I was going to purchase one of these boards after having similar problems with evolve skateboards evolve boards are straight junk couldn't get it to last any longer than 2 months 3 max with all new parts replaced each time customer service was the worst I had ever dealt with aswell so heads up people avoid evolve
Thank you for sharing your experience and happy that we save you the issues to deal with this company
I love my baja s2! I’m 250lbs and the 10” wheels do cause more belt issues. Never had a belt issue with the 8” wheels.
I’m happy for you :) big hugs my friend
The one telling thing with boards that I noticed when researching for a long time now, trampa are the ones out in the fields and in competitions, you will never see a bajaboard compete with trampa because they simply can't. I love the concept of the baja, but it's execution is clearly piss poor.
Yeah man at least this one is simply garbage bro will not pay 1000 for it is simply horrible
Thanks for this video. You don’t always get whet you pay for in a premium brand. Just so everyone knows, that board is over 4000 USD!!! WOW. I hope that more people watch this to avoid making a huge mistake in thinking that they are going to get the “Best”
Definitely my friend I was really sad but the worst was the way they basically talked to me and even all the problems they gave to Zak to get his money back
My buddy has a Bajaboard, it's great for cruising the streets but they're not that great for offroad. Most esk8 guys are switching to euc just because you can do so much more with them.
Definitely and is like Zak have said they advertise as it is for extreme off-road but after on the manual it says to don’t use for off road is ridiculous
I recommend you try Tranzite cross country 4x4 board. It's built like a tank. With vesc.
Thank you for the recommendation bro
I have the Endeavor Pro and Im very happy its very rugged n heavy duty. These skateboard companies will never give you back your money. I could barely get my money from paypal complaint against Meepo. They say the Hurricane is IP67 but when I asked customer service they said no its not IP67????
Thank you for sharing your experience with the endeavour
Seems like Ecomobl is the way to go for a nice quality offroad mtn board. The M24pro is ~$1.5 cheaper & ppl I know that rides them are very happy with them. I get the attraction of eboards but not mtn boards tho as I think a good EUC will likely do everything & then some. In that vein, I got a mini cruiser & the new Eovan GTS Super coming in for this season. But ya, I'd never buy a Bajaboard nor am I their target customer.
Hi man thank you once again to be always around even if the subject is not EUCs. And yeah Bajaboard is also not my target audience for sure :)
@@MADpack No worries bud, like you I'm into anythings thats fun & fast (hopefully affordable too). I find riding esk8s to be a very different physical & cerebral experience from EUCs to find it very challenging & fun even going slow. On EUCs, I need to go like stink or its ZZZzzzz time.
I totally agree with you I normally ride esk8 at 27kph that’s my speed I can go up to 40 but I don’t feel comfortable with EUC my normal speed is at 58-63kph and max speed for me is 71kph so yeah agree with you 100%
This is a review from a childish perspective. I have a G4X and do very extreme off roading with it, as well as general work commuting. It is an amazing experience to ride. I have broken many parts and spent a good amount of money replacing them. It is the same with any sport, try street skating, mountain biking, motocross, windsurfing.... any sport you crash, break parts and spend money. Bajaboard has always been reasonably responsive and I am a satisfied customer. Also the J in Baja is pronounced like an H.
My friend if you thinking normal do bend the chassis at walking speed I have nothing to say to your comment beside also this is not really a review this is a customer experience And a bad one. Loved the video that BB have made in response lolol the bottom part is strong and when they show the inside 3 massive dents putting pressure in what was the battery inside shows that they lost a good opportunity to be quiet.. this is just an example all the video was hilarious
@@MADpack I thought it was funny because the two of your voices sounded very high pitched. Like a couple of nannies on a bench whining about the quality of knitting needles or something. Making something ground breaking like the S2 or G4 is a lot of hard work. Plus global logistics and running a business in pandemic... Obviously there are going to be bad experiences. For us that take the bad experiences in stride -we keep supporting BB because we know that they are setting new boundaries in eskate and PEV in general. You shouldn't try to undercut their business, your friend got his money back. We are all just trying to have a good time, dude.
@@MADpack You can be a hater and keep this video or delete it and understand that making real things and bringing value to the world is not as easy as setting up a tripod and editing a video. They aren't billionaires over there its a few dudes in a shop and a factory in china. All real jobs contributing to us having a fun life.
I was never a hater but after all the insults from Bajaboard employees forgetting they are representing a brand and calling names like school kids shows the reality of what is BAJABOARD and from that moment I’m not a hater because that means that I care about Bajaboard but I would never remove the truth for the ones that think to buy a BAJABOARD from a company run by a bunch of kids that never learn that the word respect.
Спасибо. Чуть не заказал у них доску) дайте рекомендации, какую надежную доску и у кого можно купить?
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Before you bash a brand, best you get your facts right. I went to the website, the price on the comparison board is 2,7900, so you can't get 3 of them for the price of a baja.
Are you forgetting what is the cost to get the board to uk? That’s what Zak payed to get his board
What about the helix 4?
We didn’t try or want to review any other bajaboard. The company it self is not worth it the time and effort we made this video because more people should know how bad they are
So if these bajaboard aren't good for offroad? What is best off road electric skateboard to buy for rough terrain?
Unfortunately you only have 2 options on the market Bajaboard and propel. Propel came out with the endeavour 2 have a look on that. I have review the endeavour on the channel:
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@@MADpack Actually Ecomobl M24 is a third alternative also - didn`t test it, but because of the direct drive I`d like to compare ist with my Bajaboard...
As the owner of a Bajaboard S2 Atrax, Ecomobl M24 and a Propel X4S here’s my take. The M24 is really loud, screaming loud. The Propel is also very loud and you ride unusually high up. The Bajaboard has the most comfortable riding position here. The Lingyi esc on the Propel is very jerky. The M24 is slightly better. The Bajaboard has the smoothest acceleration. Off road the Propel is great but much bulkier and heavy to maneuver. The Bajaboard feels the lightest and most agile off road of the 3. I sold the X4S and M24. Just my take.
I'll make this debate very simple. In my opinion I don't see $4,000 USD worth of value in this board. Also from my experience I can see that this board looks very uncomfortable to ride. As to quality of parts I will not chime in but just like a toothless crackhead, I calls em like I see em.
Thank you so much to take the time to leave your opinion my friend
Thank u for this video
Happy that you found helpful our video
With all these PEV companies popping up. 3k boards better have some customer responsibility. Something needs to check on the quality assurance. Go get em Marco.
I care about you guys imagine when they start saying that they will not refund one of my best friends… I will always say the truth about pevs because when I will start not saying the truth I will not have you guys to support me anymore
I am a (2020) bajaboard S2 owner. As I have the older brother of the Atrax I can go indepth on some of the things that have been lacking with bajaboard and their products.
First, the chassis was stronger on the older model and didn't need that silly brace. Sadly the middle box is just slightly thicker so it can still bend but you need both legs to do it.
Second, the controller uses the 2.4ghz band. I have a remote the is wifi protocol maybe ver 2. All I know is the it is very susceptible to outside interference. I am basically on my third controller with each one costing $200 and I still have disconnects to this day. Sadly I also am experiencing battery failure in all of my controllers except for the newest one. I don't know but judging by the video the controller is still the same as mine, crap.
Third, the shipping has always been insufficient. Even my board came in one box of thin cardboard. With nothing else but balls of paper and some thin Styrofoam sheet over important components. I am lucky that my board wasn't damaged in shipping.
Forth, bajaboard uses dicast aluminum on some of their components just like other boards. I know I have broken components and looked at their metal grain. So anyone who says that the endeavor uses cheaper materials does not know what they are talking about. All companies cheap out on components when they can especially bajaboard with their closeness to one of the cheapest manufacturing hubs in the world.
Fifth, there are glaring design flaws that would prevent a lot of the issues I and others have had with my board and it's even older brothers.
I was hoping the Atrax would fix all of the issues I have experienced with its older brother. Sadly, they just hyper focused and overengineered on some key areas like the turning and drive gear at the expense of cheaping out on other components of the board.
I do have to commended them on their customer communication when you don't have a problem. I wanted to customize my S2 by putting three of their batteries in parallel and they helped me a lot in understanding their electronics and getting them to work correctly. The board worked and I was riding for over 70 miles at a time but sadly the glaring design flaws came with a vengeance. My belts would last more than 40 to 50 miles, the tires were so thin for an offroad board the I broke traction with even the tiniest braking, and the drive shaft needed to come out for service almost as much as the belts breaking. The drive shaft had these tiny plastic caps that is supposed to protect from metal on metal contact. All these issues could be fixed with just a change in materials and they would last 10X longer.
So I had had enough wasting money especially because I had to buy these things directly from them in Australia. I built my own diy with a gear drive and 3kw battery this past month and I have had zero issues with any breaking or wearing out.
Point is this company has been making boards for over 5 years now and have produced more board models than some of the other esk8 brands yet they still can't make a product with no glaring flaws is extremely disappointing.
Thank you so so much for your super in depth review as a real owner of a Bajaboard. In the end of the day what I have to say is that I’m happy that you move forward and you stopped using their board that as you explain in a very in depth review is not worth it the money also really important for future “owners” of this lack of quality board to know even how is shipped out like Zak was saying on this video. Thank you man you made a great service to the community sharing your experience.
7:46 this is the first board I've heard of that doesn't have current control, that's straight garbage, and dangerous
Happy that this video is helpful for you
If I was you I just build my own board
He bought a lacroix
You are full of it. Paid buy propel not paid by Bajaboard and you make this crap. I have over 3000 miles on my Atrax.
Man think a bit my friend… the board is from my friend not mine… propel pays me if I sell a board for them like Bajaboard was going to do for me. Nobody pays me to do a video about something. Happy that you love your board… but is normal that you can fell affected since is your investment and your board we are talking about… but no sore to disappoint you nobody have paid anything to me or my friend…
Hahahaha @5.20 in your video, who is that? Need to learn how to ride!
Brother I have a bajaboard s2 atrax enduro setup is nice machine 👌 I don't know why you are talking badly of it? Guys you are talking to much 🙄 you don't even know how to ride it,I saw you guys on it you are looking 85 years old ,so I suggest you ride and practice more than talk
Lol happy that you are a great rider and much better than us.. I’m happy for you and enjoy your board.. if you are so happy with a such poor quality board for the price you paid. I understand if I had payed £3000 in a board like yours I will hate that someone tell me that was a stupid investment. Have a good day and safe riding
@@MADpack brother BajaBoard tests board into the Australian creeks maybe you bought something that doesn't fit with your style
Bro you can check the test we made for the propel and came out I. Perfect conditions the bajaboard didn’t last a walking hit so yeah nothing more to add on the bajaboard my friend
@@MADpack you got me make an video 📹 than I jump side walk wit it and I have 8 inch tires brother
Man like I said I’m happy that you are happy with your bajaboard for me bajaboard is nothing more than pure garbage at a very high price
Soooooooo…
“I’ll give you a refund if you convince your friend to not make a video with the truth?” - now that’s NOT a serious way to work.
I’ve never been interested in this kind of mobility and this doesn’t help at all.
Thanks for the video and tks Zak for the real life experience.
Yeah but they are coming in here like they are the saints and basically bringing people that work for them on the comments attacking me like if I was advertising propel when they offer me affiliate program to receive money from them. Who with there perfect mind will not try to push in this case propel and Bajaboard in one video to get payed from both brands? They are ridiculous bro
get trampa
He got lacroix and love it
this video is what happens when spoilt child feels powerful because they a couple hundred subscribers on TH-cam... You should have let the company fix the board. period
My friend if you think I do this for the views or money they I get out of it you are so wrong but in the end this video is out so everyone can take there conclusions. I save life’s in a hospital everyday so that is more powerful than everything else. Go and work with patients that have just months of life and you will understand what I’m talking about. You don’t know me and definitely you don’t follow me so is easy looking to one video saying whatever comes to your mind about someone you never saw. Have a great day my friend
@@MADpack whoever you've been, whatever you've done has absolutely no meaning here... the present fact is that In this video you showed a vicious part of your self that is drunk with power... hungry for revenge and out to cause damage. So just like a spoilt child. Maybe you should stay saving lives rather trying to purposefully ruin people's businesses and livelihoods.
You can look in that way I do this not for power but to avoid that other persons spend money on a company that is selling you crap. I don’t care about the brand the brand is on the market to make a good product. I care about the community and who follows me. You see this as a child with power i see as a community that I care and more than 8000persons that cares about what I say and I do this for them not for the brands… if a product is good I say is good if a product is bad and a company even is erasing all Instagram conversation to use print screens out of context just to defend themselves who is doing the children here? If you have nothing to hide why erasing all conversation on Instagram?!
@@MADpack spin the story anyway you want... choosing to fix a board yourself when it arrives damaged was the mistake that initiated all the subsequent drama, and now everything you are doing in this "war" you are doing to cover yourself not for your "community" or the people you save everyday... you're a false hero
Man I give the face every week in here it was not me erasing all Instagram conversation and calling names on Facebook groups so to be honest I don’t care what you think because you are not one of my followers I believe that you are just another employee from Baja. Feel free to send more messages I will continue to answer you back. I have nothing to protect myself my friend… this video started from me helping a friend a friend to get what is his right… HIS MONEY BACK! have a great day thank you to help this video to rank. Byeeee
I WOULD NEVER BUY A PROPEL, they try to copy Baja board, plus the material and controller is bad bad bad
Lolololol the propel still riding like a champ this baja bend the chassis in less than 5miles and with a hit at like 2mph
too much cuts in the video
And?
@@MADpack andd nothing haha never seen so much cuts in a video before so new for mee :)
My friend is not used to be in camera and since is just a talk you can see them more often. Beside that didn’t wanted to leave ahhhhh hummmm parts brings 0 value to the message of the video have a great day
@@MADpack you tooo
Thank you so much my friend see you around
Поссорил бренды и доволен?) А почему не записываешь видео на русском языке?
Sorry I don’t talk your language
bajaboard's (sub)quality is actually kindda common knowledge among diy'ers
But they don’t want to admit and even blame the customer for there problems
Shocking thanks for the vid, defo won’t be buying one jokers 🤘
Hi my friend how is everything didn’t see you here for ages. Thank you to passing by and also giving your thoughts
@@MADpack I’m good bro when we riding next,,, can’t wait for this sunshine, and I’m feeling an upgrade that S 20 it’s called my name me thinks
I would wait bro I think a lot have to been said and test about this s20
Hmm good review.
Do you ride esk8?!