Absolutely stunning findings and analysis with all the varied system connections. Amazing that the WiiM Pro is right there with far more expensive streaming products. The Eversolo uses those sabre DAC chipsets which will have that higher end glare. Such an impressive effort streaming from the three to an external DAC. Eye-opening! Earlier, was listening to my system via Roon 2.0 and shocked how good it was upsampling to the WiiM Pro into the RME ADI-2. Had just tested Audirvana which is very good too but the window, at least in my system has narrowed greatly. It appeared you were running a Macbook Pro with a direct connection using Audirvana. In earlier Mac OS on older mac mini, the veil was always there and noted once the WiiM Pro showed up. So slight difference there. Great job and an outstanding piece of research here no one has done which I happily stumbled upon amongst your other solid videos.
Thanks for the good comparison. I'm using the Wiim Pro with a Gustard R26. Fantastic combination. The EQ in the Wiim software is another great feature.
@@piberman The R26 has the ability to stream via Roon and other software. I only use the R26 as a Dac and not a streamer. I like my Wiim Pro streamer as is has a built in EQ.
@@DavidLinde-i9n Please listen carelully. If you use EQ in Wiim Pro/Pro Plus you are losing quality. Much less detailed and textured bass is the most noticible. Avoid EQ in Wiim if you care about sound quality. Other than that my Wiim Pro Plus is a beast! I use it with Volume limiter set to 95%, Volume FIXED, EQ off. Cheers!
Thank you this review has really helped me. I very much like my sound and the best thing is I can play around with it forever. That this is not an exaggeration becomes obvios when I list the currant sequence . Wiim Pro, REM ADI 2 , Prima Luna integrated amp and Focal Arias speakers (ocasional fancy cable ,galvanic isolation etc). I have been trying to decide between a mere linier power upgrade for the wiim , or go all in and get the mano altar (Still would be nice). Hearing you like the wiim with the loxjie gives me confidence with my ADI 2. I should not of coarse be surprised , wiim have built there reputation on the fact that they're streamer has amongst the highest technical specifications that is all you want from a streamer the rest of the chain takes care of the sound.
Running a WiiM Pro with an RME ADI-2 via Roon to quality tube amp monoblocks and it is an excellent performance with updated McIntosh floorstanding LS340 speakers. I'm amazed at the capability and equally so the review here which delved into these related pairings. I've run a 5 volt LPS with the Wiim Pro from the start. It's definitely worthwhile and I wold never go without it as it's an easy and inexpensive advantage.
Hi, your video is very informative, you explain each difference between the steamers. Do you think that we can correct the SQ of the eversolo by increasing the low mid and medium? I use Roon and Muse. Do you think that the eversolo would be a good combination with a Gustard or Denafrips Dac? Best
So glad you called out my exact set up as a good pairing: WiiM Pro, R2R DAC and Bowers and Wilkins speakers. Best HiFi channel, the most reliable and accurate reviews, thanks for your content.
Hello . I am having b & w 706 s2 speakers which I find shouty / forward sounding . Can you please tell me your setup . I am looking for a dac and streamer with Equalizer settings .Thanks for your help in adv.
@@rishelbhallabhatia1672 built my system for mostly steaming. It begins with RG11 cable from cable box to my modem which is on linear power and is not used for wifi (use a separate wifi endpoint located elsewhere) from modem to good quality switch also with upgraded power supply, then to my Wiim Pro on linear power, Audioquest Cinnamon digital coax cable to Ifi IiPurifier 2 plugged to Schiit Multibit DAC then to Mazantz preamp via Audioquest Sydney cables. The connection from pre to power amps is where to spend the most on cables IME so I have Audioquest Water interconnects to my Outlaw monoblock amps, the Audioquest Type 9 speaker cables to my Bowers and Wilkins. Also I use Viborg MBU1606 power cords on everything. I am super sensitive to overly bright, grainy, and harsh sound. Bowers are very revealing speakers and addressing digital harshness associated with streaming is critical. Mine now have fast authoritative bass, warm fluid mids but still have amazing detail in the highs with no fatigue and no need for EQ. I hope this helps your journey.
Hi @tharbamar - this channel is so informative! Thank you for the service you provide! Question: what are those isolation legs that you use under the streamer?
Hi Sir, Thank You for your TH-cam content. Do you have an recommendation for Upgradable DAC for a Sonos Setup? I’m not sure if have ever covered this with a Sonos Systems. Once again, Thanks for you calming vocals & smooth presentation.
Most of Sonos products come with RCA analog inputs, you just have to use a DAC with RCA analog out if you want to try it with external DAC it will be only in stereo mode with most HiFi DAC, thanks
I have a Denafrips Pontus II that I'm not parting with. I see you're only testing the WiiM with an external DAC, but not the other two. How are you connecting the WiiM to either of the two DACs? From Denafrips, I believe they say the best connection is through either I2S or USB. All three don't support many digital outputs.
I own a WiiM Pro and their mini, they easily link between my two systems and I have incredible sound throughout the house. I use vintage Sansui receivers with Zu Dirty Weekend speakers. I find the internal DACs in the WiiMs give great sound on my Sansui units. Here is a funny, my buddy owns the WiiM Pro and the Eversolo... He likes the WiiM Pro better due to the ap. He is using external DACs, and he cannot hear the difference in sound.
@@Pete.across.the.street I will be speaking to him today, I will ask, to double check. I know he was using the Parasound A23+ and the PS Audio Gaincell DAC/Preamp. The speakers are a pair of Tyler Acoustic's, around $12,000 new... And I think some Kefs... His house looks like a HiFi shop back room. He has multiple amps on furniture dollies, some still in unopened boxes. He has stuff I have never heard of, but for some reason he loves the Parasound/PS Audio setup. I had the same rig here and it sounded fantastic, until I discovered old Sansui gear. I still use the PS Audio DAC/Pre for the WiiM Pro, TV and Oppo. Best sound I have heard in years out of any gear with the Zu's.
@@michaelwright1602 yeah, that's a nice system and says a lot about not being able to hear a difference between the streamers. Many times people say that theres no difference, but don't have a system that can resolve the differences. Thats the only reason I ask. Thank you.
@@Pete.across.the.street Agree, every system is different. I have had some streamers through here, had an Eversolo on backorder but canceled after getting the WiiM, now have two. They just released a Parametric EQ for the WiiM, I just found and tried it out, another level in overall sound quality. Very happy!
I have had the Eversolo for a month now and I think for simplicity, ease of use and the ability to store All my music on it as well as stream it can't be beat for value. Sound wise its excellent though I prefer my own DAC ilo of the Eversolo. It is still burning in and is getting better and better each week. You would need to spend a lot more money to improve the sound.
I like this kind of test because it answers the real-world question of value for money. If you're a serious listener with a $10K system then the Eversolo or Mini makes logical sense. In my case, I'm not a serious listener, but I have a better-than-average system: Rotel A11 Tribute, KEF LS50 Meta, Anthem Room Correction (via a Paradigm PWLink). I'm using a Wiim Mini, with an SMSL-SU1, streaming Qobuz via Audrivana Studio. I found that connecting the SU1 to the PC via USB had much lower fidelity than making a UPNP connection to the Wiim (with Studio sending data in Kernel Mode). I'm using AS to send data to the Wiim because I think the sound quality streaming Qobuz via the Wiim software is HORRIBLE. I have two Mini's, so it's not a defective unit. I very much enjoy the flexibility that AS and the Mini provide me to connect to a variety of different systems I use.
Computers add noise and people go bananas doing all kinds of things but the Wiim Pro and now its Plus version have buried that as you've learned as many of us. In my system with the WiiM Pro to RME ADI-2 and high quality tube amp monoblocks there is no downside streaming Qobuz or going through the router with the WiiM Pro. They both sound excellent but I do cascade fiber with Cisco switches plus a 5v LPS for the streamer. Maybe time to move up from the Mini.
I am a serious listener, and to me honestly, all these streamers/Dacs all sound exactly the same. I have owned so much gear in my life, that in 2023 I can say, 99% of all DACs are top-notch spec wise. I own an SMSL SU-1 and can say this little thing sounds amazing. Even better than my 3 year old Benchmark DAC3 HGC. Most people won't hear a difference anyway. I do emphasise that differences in pre amps are more obvious. Love Class A nowadays. SMSL VMV A1 and MF A1s are amazing.
I completely agree. I have pretty much all the high end streamer and they are indistinguishable from each other. Save your money and get the least expensive streamer.
I get very good sound with a music library stored on a USB drive (SSD) directly connected to an ifi Zen streamer. Streaming is good too, but the direct wired connection is definitely better to my ears. Have you ever tried a direct wired connection? Thanks. (Is that what the Sony setup is? Sorry if I am misunderstanding this.) Thanks again.
I'm using the Sugden Bijou Headmaster headphone and preamp along with the Monarchy Audio SE100 MK2 delux Monoblocks. All Class A and I'm in love. Sadly the sole owner/employee at Monarchy retired a child years ago. I using with the Dynaudio Heritage Specials. Now I just need a better room.
Thanks for the great review. Thanks to the respected author, I purchased a Sony HAP Z1ES. Before this I had WIIM PRO. Only then did I realize how bad the Wiim sounds. Sony - the best sound I've ever heard. Thank you.
Hi Tharbamar and thanks for another great video.. If I’m not mistaken, you assert that in your opinion, macbook pro+audirvana going into a dac of choice smashes all the other streamers used as transports in other dacs, sound quality wise?? That’s quite a contention😊
Ok if you’re not ready to pay more, for a streamer, maybe.. A zen streamer, although is finicky, troublesome, will crash audirvana anytime.. Just my opinion😊
This is the first time ever i hear try that KEF is preferably pairs with delta sigma dacs. Could you provide some additional info why you suggested that? I am currently using kef r3 meta, arcam A19 amp ( that i plan to update), wiim mini (plan to change) into arcam irdac (plan to change). I was thinking for wiim pro and denafrips enyo combo l. However the lack of usb so you could pair with a good dac and gain access to DSD maybe...is limiting. The A6 sound as a better longterm toy. What dac will pair well with A6 ?
Great comparisons. Ive been looking to get into a streamer. Right now its laptop>Topping RD3>Yamaha MX-460 amplifier. I might give the Wiimi Pro Plus a go.
Very good video on this streamer subject tharbamar😊. Thank you. I have the eversolo and and external dac and i wil try the wiim pro. I follow your channel since the beggining and you have very good content👌👍
I use Denon DRA 800H for Tidal streaming but i dislike its integrated Heos app. So, i'm interested to buy WiiM Pro Plus and use Tidal connect app instead. Is that a good idea and how would you connect WiiM with Denon? I must say that i'm satisfied with Denons integrated DAC.
thanks for the quick reply. Do you think it makes sense to connect an external dac. I currently have a fire stick connected to hdmi in sr7015 and I listen to amazon music hd. Will I get better sound quality from wiim? thx
@Tharbamar you mentioned mac book with audirvana is hard to beat regardless of streaming service used. How is this set up compared to Eversolo DMP-a6, SQ wise, when both are connected to an R2R DAC?
So by deductive reasoning a value combo could be Wiim Pro and Eversolo z8 (which people say sounds better than A6) and wiim is better interface and i think it adds up roughly same price
I keep wondering why you place the isolation footers directly under your components footers, as opposed to how they’re meant to be placed directly underneath certain spots of the chassis itself?. I’d think said latter placement offers a more responsive impactful type of resonance control, this has been my experience since the late 80s, where I’ve come to believe in isolating every component within my system, where I’m a proponent of the ball bearing technique, having started with aluminum - stainless steel - ebony cones | spikes, where certain materials used as means of voicing each component to enhance their tonal shadings is essential. Merely curious about said method.
Hi, mostly I use them for temperature control and better visibility of the small components in the video. I only use Maglev for proper isolation. Thanks
I am very curious about how you see a Loxjie D40 Pro verses a Geshelli Labs J2. I am quite happy with the SU-1 but if I can get even more out using my WiiM Pro it is certainly very interesting. I am so grateful, in every way, for your advice. Thanks in advance for your response.
As always sound is subjective but for the price and performance I’m still is awe inspired by Loxjie D40 Pro/ SMSL DO400 NOS like filter 0 option with good Pre sections, J2 is okay for what it is but not in the same level. For the money I would recommend SMSL DL200 with latest ESS 9039Q2M chip over J2, which is much better buy and best sounding ESS chip to date, thanks
I purchased the SU-1 after your recommendation. A great combo and super inexpensive solution. Happy with it. I highly value your opinion. I remind you I own KLH Model 5 speakers. In our house rock, classic, jazz, some techno, get played ❤. The Loxjie Pro D40, SMSL DO400 or DL200 are allowed. I need your advice. I am grateful for your advice and guidance. The Mogami cable changes made a huge difference. Sincere thanks 🙏
@@clarice1001nights I look forward to your feedback. It seems to me you know The Loxjie Pro D40, SMSL DO400, DL200, and the SU-10 better than any one. the NOS filter seems amazing. I adore your ears. I sang opera for 14 years professionally, and you are one of the few people I absolutely trust. Just help me narrow this again. Sorry to repeat my request, but I am really excited about your suggestions. If the Loxjie Pro D40 is the one fine. If one of the others is even better than the Loxjie Pro D40, that was the question I wanted to understand.
@@clarice1001nights DO400 or D40 Pro with Model 5 should pair well, if you want more features DO400 is great. I have a few more new SMSL DAC on the way for review, if you're not in hurry wait a little bit more, thanks
Great video---looking to upgrade my streamer in the near future. Question: what brand is the isolation platform that you have the Accuphase sitting on? Thanks so much!
Thank you for the your reviews sir! I have a request. Can you include a short summary using RCA versus using XLR when comparing dacs? I have tube amp and does not have XLR. Im sure there is a difference using each and it would be nice if you could include these differences on dacs because some have smaller or bigger differences than others. Thanks again, very much appreciated.
Good DAC should not make big difference in sound quality between RCA and XLR analog outs except a few DB louder with XLR but sometimes people got fooled by louder output being better in sound quality (Including many reviewers), although technically XLR is superior in noise control and EMI/RFI rejection being true balanced connection but it should not matter in short cable connection of home audio rigs unless you have serious RFI/EMI interference. Hope this help, thanks for watching. BTW: DB meter is a must have tool for A-B test, XLR to RCA conversion adaptors does not improve in sound quality. DAC such as Loxjie D40 Pro/SMSL D0400 is highly suitable for Tube setups for having flexibility in gain control and NOS like filter option.
@@Tharbamar Wow, thank you for the information, that clears up alot of confusion for me🙏🏼. Question, I have the 2tdx towers like your's. Looking for a DAC recommendation. They are a bit dark and would like lighten them up a bit.
im about to pull the trigger, but im hesitant between PRO & PRO PLUS as I have a Lampi Baltic DAC and either of WIIM will do as a streamer only, Any suggestions ? THANKS
@@TharbamarThe drawback of Wiim Pro Plus is that currently there is no direct DSD playback from Wiim app. The user has to configure additional Media Server on NAS or PC and use e.g. Squeezelite plugin in order to reproduce the DSD stereo audio files. BTW, I've become the owner of Wiim Pro Plus and Loxjie D40 Pro thanks to you Tharbamar 😊 Thank you for the honest reviews.
I don't need digital on my system..........nor being dependant on streaming to finaly have nothing to last .. Anyway the best streaming claims to be as good as analog ........but it isn't . Happy I kept my collection of tapes, vinyl and even CD's .........and quality FM. But thank you for the upload that helps the helpless new generation.........own nothing and be happy ( slaves )......
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Wiim pro and my Denafrips Ares 12 is music to my ears. Absolutely recommended! Can confidently take the Pepsi challenge with anything out there!
Absolutely stunning findings and analysis with all the varied system connections. Amazing that the WiiM Pro is right there with far more expensive streaming products. The Eversolo uses those sabre DAC chipsets which will have that higher end glare.
Such an impressive effort streaming from the three to an external DAC. Eye-opening! Earlier, was listening to my system via Roon 2.0 and shocked how good it was upsampling to the WiiM Pro into the RME ADI-2. Had just tested Audirvana which is very good too but the window, at least in my system has narrowed greatly.
It appeared you were running a Macbook Pro with a direct connection using Audirvana. In earlier Mac OS on older mac mini, the veil was always there and noted once the WiiM Pro showed up. So slight difference there. Great job and an outstanding piece of research here no one has done which I happily stumbled upon amongst your other solid videos.
Thank you for your feedback.
Thanks for the good comparison. I'm using the Wiim Pro with a Gustard R26. Fantastic combination. The EQ in the Wiim software is another great feature.
The Gustard R26 has a streamer port, doesn´t?
@@piberman The R26 has the ability to stream via Roon and other software. I only use the R26 as a Dac and not a streamer. I like my Wiim Pro streamer as is has a built in EQ.
@@DavidLinde-i9n Please listen carelully. If you use EQ in Wiim Pro/Pro Plus you are losing quality. Much less detailed and textured bass is the most noticible. Avoid EQ in Wiim if you care about sound quality. Other than that my Wiim Pro Plus is a beast! I use it with Volume limiter set to 95%, Volume FIXED, EQ off. Cheers!
@@DavidLinde-i9n try bubble upnp or roon to the r26 should be a huge upgrade in SQ
Thank you this review has really helped me.
I very much like my sound and the best thing is I can play around with it forever. That this is not an exaggeration becomes obvios when I list the currant sequence .
Wiim Pro, REM ADI 2 , Prima Luna integrated amp and Focal Arias speakers (ocasional fancy cable ,galvanic isolation etc).
I have been trying to decide between a mere linier power upgrade for the wiim , or go all in and get the mano altar (Still would be nice).
Hearing you like the wiim with the loxjie gives me confidence with my ADI 2.
I should not of coarse be surprised , wiim have built there reputation on the fact that they're streamer has amongst the highest technical specifications that is all you want from a streamer the rest of the chain takes care of the sound.
Running a WiiM Pro with an RME ADI-2 via Roon to quality tube amp monoblocks and it is an excellent performance with updated McIntosh floorstanding LS340 speakers. I'm amazed at the capability and equally so the review here which delved into these related pairings.
I've run a 5 volt LPS with the Wiim Pro from the start. It's definitely worthwhile and I wold never go without it as it's an easy and inexpensive advantage.
Hi,
your video is very informative, you explain each difference between the steamers.
Do you think that we can correct the SQ of the eversolo by increasing the low mid and medium?
I use Roon and Muse.
Do you think that the eversolo would be a good combination with a Gustard or Denafrips Dac?
Best
So glad you called out my exact set up as a good pairing: WiiM Pro, R2R DAC and Bowers and Wilkins speakers. Best HiFi channel, the most reliable and accurate reviews, thanks for your content.
Hello . I am having b & w 706 s2 speakers which I find shouty / forward sounding . Can you please tell me your setup . I am looking for a dac and streamer with Equalizer settings .Thanks for your help in adv.
@@rishelbhallabhatia1672 built my system for mostly steaming. It begins with RG11 cable from cable box to my modem which is on linear power and is not used for wifi (use a separate wifi endpoint located elsewhere) from modem to good quality switch also with upgraded power supply, then to my Wiim Pro on linear power, Audioquest Cinnamon digital coax cable to Ifi IiPurifier 2 plugged to Schiit Multibit DAC then to Mazantz preamp via Audioquest Sydney cables. The connection from pre to power amps is where to spend the most on cables IME so I have Audioquest Water interconnects to my Outlaw monoblock amps, the Audioquest Type 9 speaker cables to my Bowers and Wilkins. Also I use Viborg MBU1606 power cords on everything. I am super sensitive to overly bright, grainy, and harsh sound. Bowers are very revealing speakers and addressing digital harshness associated with streaming is critical. Mine now have fast authoritative bass, warm fluid mids but still have amazing detail in the highs with no fatigue and no need for EQ. I hope this helps your journey.
Hi @tharbamar - this channel is so informative! Thank you for the service you provide! Question: what are those isolation legs that you use under the streamer?
I’m using isolation footers to elevate the components for better visibility in the video, I have links in the video description, thanks
@@Tharbamar thank you sir!
Hi Sir,
Thank You for your TH-cam content. Do you have an recommendation for Upgradable DAC for a Sonos Setup? I’m not sure if have ever covered this with a Sonos Systems.
Once again, Thanks for you calming vocals & smooth presentation.
Most of Sonos products come with RCA analog inputs, you just have to use a DAC with RCA analog out if you want to try it with external DAC it will be only in stereo mode with most HiFi DAC, thanks
@@Tharbamar Thank You Kindly 👊🏾😉
Gotta add the Fiio R7 in the next shoot out my friend. Great content always. Many blessings
This is a big boy contest
I have a Denafrips Pontus II that I'm not parting with. I see you're only testing the WiiM with an external DAC, but not the other two. How are you connecting the WiiM to either of the two DACs? From Denafrips, I believe they say the best connection is through either I2S or USB. All three don't support many digital outputs.
I own a WiiM Pro and their mini, they easily link between my two systems and I have incredible sound throughout the house. I use vintage Sansui receivers with Zu Dirty Weekend speakers. I find the internal DACs in the WiiMs give great sound on my Sansui units.
Here is a funny, my buddy owns the WiiM Pro and the Eversolo... He likes the WiiM Pro better due to the ap. He is using external DACs, and he cannot hear the difference in sound.
what speaker and amp is he using?
@@Pete.across.the.street I will be speaking to him today, I will ask, to double check. I know he was using the Parasound A23+ and the PS Audio Gaincell DAC/Preamp. The speakers are a pair of Tyler Acoustic's, around $12,000 new... And I think some Kefs...
His house looks like a HiFi shop back room. He has multiple amps on furniture dollies, some still in unopened boxes. He has stuff I have never heard of, but for some reason he loves the Parasound/PS Audio setup.
I had the same rig here and it sounded fantastic, until I discovered old Sansui gear. I still use the PS Audio DAC/Pre for the WiiM Pro, TV and Oppo. Best sound I have heard in years out of any gear with the Zu's.
@@michaelwright1602 yeah, that's a nice system and says a lot about not being able to hear a difference between the streamers. Many times people say that theres no difference, but don't have a system that can resolve the differences. Thats the only reason I ask. Thank you.
@@Pete.across.the.street Agree, every system is different. I have had some streamers through here, had an Eversolo on backorder but canceled after getting the WiiM, now have two. They just released a Parametric EQ for the WiiM, I just found and tried it out, another level in overall sound quality. Very happy!
@@michaelwright1602 Didn't you used to have KLH Model 5 system? Was wondering what DAC you think would be a good pairing with the WiiM and the KLH's.
I have had the Eversolo for a month now and I think for simplicity, ease of use and the ability to store All my music on it as well as stream it can't be beat for value. Sound wise its excellent though I prefer my own DAC ilo of the Eversolo. It is still burning in and is getting better and better each week. You would need to spend a lot more money to improve the sound.
Then buy naim and forget separate dac aso
I like this kind of test because it answers the real-world question of value for money. If you're a serious listener with a $10K system then the Eversolo or Mini makes logical sense. In my case, I'm not a serious listener, but I have a better-than-average system: Rotel A11 Tribute, KEF LS50 Meta, Anthem Room Correction (via a Paradigm PWLink). I'm using a Wiim Mini, with an SMSL-SU1, streaming Qobuz via Audrivana Studio. I found that connecting the SU1 to the PC via USB had much lower fidelity than making a UPNP connection to the Wiim (with Studio sending data in Kernel Mode). I'm using AS to send data to the Wiim because I think the sound quality streaming Qobuz via the Wiim software is HORRIBLE. I have two Mini's, so it's not a defective unit. I very much enjoy the flexibility that AS and the Mini provide me to connect to a variety of different systems I use.
Computers add noise and people go bananas doing all kinds of things but the Wiim Pro and now its Plus version have buried that as you've learned as many of us.
In my system with the WiiM Pro to RME ADI-2 and high quality tube amp monoblocks there is no downside streaming Qobuz or going through the router with the WiiM Pro. They both sound excellent but I do cascade fiber with Cisco switches plus a 5v LPS for the streamer. Maybe time to move up from the Mini.
I am a serious listener, and to me honestly, all these streamers/Dacs all sound exactly the same. I have owned so much gear in my life, that in 2023 I can say, 99% of all DACs are top-notch spec wise. I own an SMSL SU-1 and can say this little thing sounds amazing. Even better than my 3 year old Benchmark DAC3 HGC. Most people won't hear a difference anyway. I do emphasise that differences in pre amps are more obvious. Love Class A nowadays. SMSL VMV A1 and MF A1s are amazing.
I completely agree. I have pretty much all the high end streamer and they are indistinguishable from each other. Save your money and get the least expensive streamer.
Z Reviews basically says the same thing. He says he doesn’t really hear a difference overall. Maybe some subtle things but negligible
Thanks @tharbamar for the detailed comparison really helpful. Would it be a good combination for Wiim Pro and SMSL DL200? Thanks!
It should be good paring, try to experiment with different filters, thanks
The pontus dac sounds fantastic, lovely tone.
I get very good sound with a music library stored on a USB drive (SSD) directly connected to an ifi Zen streamer. Streaming is good too, but the direct wired connection is definitely better to my ears. Have you ever tried a direct wired connection? Thanks.
(Is that what the Sony setup is? Sorry if I am misunderstanding this.) Thanks again.
I'm using the Sugden Bijou Headmaster headphone and preamp along with the Monarchy Audio SE100 MK2 delux Monoblocks. All Class A and I'm in love. Sadly the sole owner/employee at Monarchy retired a child years ago.
I using with the Dynaudio Heritage Specials. Now I just need a better room.
Very nice, nice screen name too!
Thanks for the great review. Thanks to the respected author, I purchased a Sony HAP Z1ES. Before this I had WIIM PRO. Only then did I realize how bad the Wiim sounds. Sony - the best sound I've ever heard. Thank you.
Thanks for sharing
Hi Tharbamar and thanks for another great video.. If I’m not mistaken, you assert that in your opinion, macbook pro+audirvana going into a dac of choice smashes all the other streamers used as transports in other dacs, sound quality wise?? That’s quite a contention😊
Yes, so far Audirvana has the best sounding software and easy to use app, they should make hardware to capitalize the market, It will be game changer.
Very interesting, thanks
@@Tharbamarhave you tried Amarra music player from Sonic Studio ? Would be interesting if you compared it to Audirvana.
@@Tharbamar But I don’t think that Audirvana is the best sounding software by any strecht of any’s imagination My 2 cents
Ok if you’re not ready to pay more, for a streamer, maybe.. A zen streamer, although is finicky, troublesome, will crash audirvana anytime.. Just my opinion😊
This is the first time ever i hear try that KEF is preferably pairs with delta sigma dacs. Could you provide some additional info why you suggested that? I am currently using kef r3 meta, arcam A19 amp ( that i plan to update), wiim mini (plan to change) into arcam irdac (plan to change). I was thinking for wiim pro and denafrips enyo combo l. However the lack of usb so you could pair with a good dac and gain access to DSD maybe...is limiting. The A6 sound as a better longterm toy. What dac will pair well with A6 ?
Great comparisons. Ive been looking to get into a streamer. Right now its laptop>Topping RD3>Yamaha MX-460 amplifier. I might give the Wiimi Pro Plus a go.
Good choice!
Grace mahya is fantástic!I have the wiim pro with ifi zen One all signature but I don't know if I should buy a mojo 2 .thanks
Very good video on this streamer subject tharbamar😊. Thank you. I have the eversolo and and external dac and i wil try the wiim pro. I follow your channel since the beggining and you have very good content👌👍
Thank you, don’t forget to set WiiM Pro digital out resolution to 192k.
Hi, love your videos, one question where did you get the feet for the Eversolo?
Hi it’s in the video description, thanks
I use Denon DRA 800H for Tidal streaming but i dislike its integrated Heos app. So, i'm interested to buy WiiM Pro Plus and use Tidal connect app instead. Is that a good idea and how would you connect WiiM with Denon? I must say that i'm satisfied with Denons integrated DAC.
You can use RCA, Coaxial or Optical outputs from WiiM Pro to connect your amplifier internal DAC.
Thank you your testing..may i ask you "what is best connections accuphase e-4000 to a6 ? Which cable xlr or rca! Thx
Please use XLR.
Hello, thank you for this great review. One question, is the Pontus II the 12th anniversary edition ?
no 12th pontus2 also good
Thank you for this great contribution and, as always, calmly and perfect presented. Greetings from Germany, Michael
Many thanks!
thanks for the quick reply. Do you think it makes sense to connect an external dac. I currently have a fire stick connected to hdmi in sr7015 and I listen to amazon music hd. Will I get better sound quality from wiim? thx
Probably if you use built-in fine tuning features in WiiM Pro.
Thx! Bay the way i like your channel
@Tharbamar you mentioned mac book with audirvana is hard to beat regardless of streaming service used. How is this set up compared to Eversolo DMP-a6, SQ wise, when both are connected to an R2R DAC?
Hi please, matrix mini 4 sound better or similar the topping d90iii? Regards
Does Audirvana give you bit-perfect playback? If it does, then it is doing the same as Foobar2000 with ASIO or WASAPI drivers enabled.
It does much more than that....do some research. 🙂
Hey.
Would you say Eversolo is not to be conbined with a bit more detailed or lively speakers like Focal for example?
Hi, it will be all depends on system and personal preference.
@@Tharbamar thanks
Hi really nice video.
Have you had the change to compare the wiim pro and the wimm pro plus.
Streaming to a DAC, reports are that it's the same. As a DAC, the pro plus has better AKM chipset so that's a big advantage there.
Hi can I connect wiim pro plus to marantz sr7015 through rca cable? Do you think the sound will be better then marantz dedicated heos
Optical or Coaxial cable from WiiM Pro to SR7015 will be better choice for me.
I’m pairing Wiim pro with D70 pro. Not sure this is a great pairing or not but it sound more transparent compare to D70.
I have MacBook and use Audirvāna which to choose loxjie or eversolo to play?And have sinology nas .
I would say all you need is Loxjie because Mac with Audirvana will have great sound together, thanks
Thank you I order loxjie D40pro!
So by deductive reasoning a value combo could be Wiim Pro and Eversolo z8 (which people say sounds better than A6) and wiim is better interface and i think it adds up roughly same price
For me, WiiM Pro & Loxjie D40 Pro
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I keep wondering why you place the isolation footers directly under your components footers, as opposed to how they’re meant to be placed directly underneath certain spots of the chassis itself?. I’d think said latter placement offers a more responsive impactful type of resonance control, this has been my experience since the late 80s, where I’ve come to believe in isolating every component within my system, where I’m a proponent of the ball bearing technique, having started with aluminum - stainless steel - ebony cones | spikes, where certain materials used as means of voicing each component to enhance their tonal shadings is essential.
Merely curious about said method.
Hi, mostly I use them for temperature control and better visibility of the small components in the video.
I only use Maglev for proper isolation. Thanks
I can respect that….., thanks for responding.
I am very curious about how you see a Loxjie D40 Pro verses a Geshelli Labs J2. I am quite happy with the SU-1 but if I can get even more out using my WiiM Pro it is certainly very interesting. I am so grateful, in every way, for your advice. Thanks in advance for your response.
As always sound is subjective but for the price and performance I’m still is awe inspired by Loxjie D40 Pro/ SMSL DO400 NOS like filter 0 option with good Pre sections, J2 is okay for what it is but not in the same level.
For the money I would recommend SMSL DL200 with latest ESS 9039Q2M chip over J2, which is much better buy and best sounding ESS chip to date, thanks
I purchased the SU-1 after your recommendation. A great combo and super inexpensive solution. Happy with it. I highly value your opinion. I remind you I own KLH Model 5 speakers. In our house rock, classic, jazz, some techno, get played ❤. The Loxjie Pro D40, SMSL DO400 or DL200 are allowed. I need your advice. I am grateful for your advice and guidance. The Mogami cable changes made a huge difference. Sincere thanks 🙏
@@clarice1001nights I look forward to your feedback. It seems to me you know The Loxjie Pro D40, SMSL DO400, DL200, and the SU-10 better than any one. the NOS filter seems amazing. I adore your ears. I sang opera for 14 years professionally, and you are one of the few people I absolutely trust. Just help me narrow this again. Sorry to repeat my request, but I am really excited about your suggestions. If the Loxjie Pro D40 is the one fine. If one of the others is even better than the Loxjie Pro D40, that was the question I wanted to understand.
@@Tharbamar Thank you Tharbamar for this comment. It is very much appreciated.
@@clarice1001nights DO400 or D40 Pro with Model 5 should pair well, if you want more features DO400 is great.
I have a few more new SMSL DAC on the way for review, if you're not in hurry wait a little bit more, thanks
it is worth to compare the wiim pro w the ifi zen stream, i guess.
You should use a better power supply for your Wiim connected to your external dac. Then there is no competition.
For example, in my setup iFI Power X 5VDC, 3A works very good.
How was the Wiim connected to the DACs? Were you using wifi or ethernet? Thanks!
Using optical or coaxial cables.
@@Tharbamari tried it with an ifi zen one sig, wasn't impressed, guess it's DAC dependant
Great video---looking to upgrade my streamer in the near future. Question: what brand is the isolation platform that you have the Accuphase sitting on? Thanks so much!
Thank you for the your reviews sir! I have a request. Can you include a short summary using RCA versus using XLR when comparing dacs? I have tube amp and does not have XLR. Im sure there is a difference using each and it would be nice if you could include these differences on dacs because some have smaller or bigger differences than others. Thanks again, very much appreciated.
Good DAC should not make big difference in sound quality between RCA and XLR analog outs except a few DB louder with XLR but sometimes people got fooled by louder output being better in sound quality (Including many reviewers), although technically XLR is superior in noise control and EMI/RFI rejection being true balanced connection but it should not matter in short cable connection of home audio rigs unless you have serious RFI/EMI interference. Hope this help, thanks for watching.
BTW: DB meter is a must have tool for A-B test, XLR to RCA conversion adaptors does not improve in sound quality.
DAC such as Loxjie D40 Pro/SMSL D0400 is highly suitable for Tube setups for having flexibility in gain control and NOS like filter option.
@@Tharbamar Wow, thank you for the information, that clears up alot of confusion for me🙏🏼. Question, I have the 2tdx towers like your's. Looking for a DAC recommendation. They are a bit dark and would like lighten them up a bit.
im about to pull the trigger, but im hesitant between PRO & PRO PLUS as I have a Lampi Baltic DAC and either of WIIM will do as a streamer only, Any suggestions ? THANKS
For the streaming bridge WiiM Pro is my choice.
@@Tharbamarveery kind
Is it possible to install PLEX on the Eversolo A6?
What stands are L100's sitting on?
Custom made hardwood stands, thanks
Thanks for sharing. Good comparisons.
Please where can I get one?
Where did you get the wood on your wall?
Sony hapz1es rocks!
Amazing footers...
Excellent.
Wiim pro cristal clear!!!
Lets be accurate here the Eversolo is the only system that can stream multichannel DSD and PCM through a dedicated HDMI output. Game changer.
Not interested in multichannel, ARC maybe more useful for audiophiles.
@@TharbamarThe drawback of Wiim Pro Plus is that currently there is no direct DSD playback from Wiim app. The user has to configure additional Media Server on NAS or PC and use e.g. Squeezelite plugin in order to reproduce the DSD stereo audio files.
BTW, I've become the owner of Wiim Pro Plus and Loxjie D40 Pro thanks to you Tharbamar 😊
Thank you for the honest reviews.
None of them support Chromecast?
WiiM Pro supports Chromecast 100%, i use chromecast on it a lot.
Only one has Apple Music, there’s no pt really a choice for us, we can only use and buy one.
Any chance to review the Element X2 Pure version? Looking forward to your arrangement 😉
Eversolo A6 can be buggy.
I can`t hear any difference, hmm
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I don't need digital on my system..........nor being dependant on streaming to finaly have nothing to last ..
Anyway the best streaming claims to be as good as analog ........but it isn't .
Happy I kept my collection of tapes, vinyl and even CD's .........and quality FM.
But thank you for the upload that helps the helpless new generation.........own nothing and be happy ( slaves )......
Someone needs a smug hug
Then why watch the video...dummy....😖