Race-Changing SIMAGIC P1000 Pedals Review: A Must-Watch for Sim Racing Fans
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 พ.ค. 2024
- *** PLEASE NOTE THAT BRAKE ISSUE HAS BEEN RESOLVED LINK TO PART 2 LINKED BELLOW ***
• SiMagic P1000 Peddals ...
Absolutely LOVED testing the new P1000 pedals by Simagic, it is amazing what these pedals can do. The functions and customisations are nearly endless.....Priced in-between Fanatec Clubsport V3's and Heusinkveld Sprints these should not be overlooked!
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Great review video. I have the P1000 at the moment and my dropoff is not that much. Thanx for the detailed review.
Few p1000 owners saying same, ended up buying the hydraulics so cant wait to go on the p1000 again 😁
Which mix of elastomers and rubbers are you using?
Upgrading to the newest version of simhub adds the shakers to the shak-it motors section and you will have full control of any pedal effects you want. Also adding the yellow spring to the throttle gives the throttle a nice feel.
Omg thought these cant be used on simhub going to have a blast now 🤩 thanks for the info matey 👊🏻 going to try this today!
@@TheSimCircuit Did it work well? Did you also try changing th throttle spring?
Do you connect the motors directly to a USB to get full Simhub support? Simhub recognizes my motors when they are connected through the base, but I am not getting the feedback thru Simhub, i.e., TC, road bumps...
@@nicholasmarshall3191 Simhub only sees my haptic motors when plugged through a regular USB. I think this is a bug Simagic is working on.
You have to turn off Sim Pro (Simagic software) for the motors, then Simhub should control them.
On the light bars, you can get them both to work but a) you need the two M5 ~16mm+ bolts that do not come with the heel light bar but only the stock heel rest (or get them from the store as I did), b) you now need a male to female 1/8" jack extension cable of about 12" to reach the connection, c) you cannot mount the stand alone light bar under the pedals anymore, except if you probably make your own cable, otherwise you have to mount it on the top of pedals angled toward your wall (because that was the bottom previously!), and finally d) there is now a cover over what is now the top and what was the bottom of the pedals (at least if you buy the inverted set; if you buy the regular then the inverted kit, I don't know if they include what is basically a dust cover now because the electronics that are hidden under the pedals are now exposed upwards), and because the connection for that light bar is right up against the edge, the cover not only covers the connection, it makes it that you need to basically dremel a semi circle into the plate to reach the connection as opposed to just a hole to run the cable through; additionally, the magnets are also blocked so you need another way of mounting it like velcro.
HTH. I think I'm one of the first to have to deal with this on these pedals. In summary, both work, but both require modification or buying a few small parts.
Also, Race Beyond Matter discussed this drop off issue in his review of these pedals and recently made a video dedicated to this subject
Wow this is very detailed comment, I love it 😂 yes I’m sure allot of capable people can make them light bars work when pedals are inverted but trust me I can make huge balls of the most simplistic diy task so I won’t be trying 😂
Race Beyond Matter 100% described the brake drop off much better than I ever could actually be interested in playing around with springs after watching his video 🤔 I don’t mind a bit of drop off as most pedals have a bit. I am not nearly fast enough for a slight fall in brake pressure to affect my times but a big drop like what I have with my set of p1000 I think will affect most sim racers 🤷🏼♂️
Hello! thanks for the great review. So what about hydraulics? Did it help solve the problem and is overall better?
"Race Beyond Matter" add the hydraulic kit and the anwser is yes :)
I have had a bit of a wild month so my time has been limited & have not tested the hydraulics yet, finishing the SimLabs pedals this weekend then on Monday the p1000 will be back on the rig 🙌🏻
Great honest video mate, they really look the business, I use Simhub and some really nice brackets I milled up but the lag is so bad I just don't turn them on, such a shame. These may be the next update to the money pit/rig :)
Heard a few people talk about lag and needing sound cards to run diy setup it really is amazing that Simagic rolled these out with no lag 🤯
i used one of the clutch springs on the throttle and made it heaps better, great review man
Wow did not realise you can do that thanks for that. This will definitely improve my impression of these pedals even further 😊 going to do when home 🙌🏻
@@TheSimCircuit yeah man link is here although in french heh, I also didn't have much of a dropoff with the loadcell as well so I don't know if your shit needs tightening or a simple fault ha
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@@TheSimCircuit Did you do it?
@@Kpaxlol not yet 🤦🏼♂️ had a crazy month so reviews been going slow but finished with SimLabs pedals this Sunday then the p1000 will be going back on the rig 🙌🏻
Just ordered P1000 inverted hydraulic with a haptic reactor for the brake. Hope it is good as I already have Heusinkveld.
You won’t be disappointed, im doing a round 2 video and have also been in contact with SiMagic 🤫 I have found the drop off with the hydraulic attachment around 5% that for me anyway nothing to complain about.
Do you think we can run those shakers on pedals other than simagic ? For instance I’m wondering if we can install just the shakers on the Asetek invicta pedals and use simagic software for shakers and asetek for pedals? Of course will also have to 3D print some king of mount to install shakers on invicta 🤔 I love my invictas but also like those shakers… u see my problem 😂
I have same problem 😂 Asetek seem to listen to what people want so won’t surprise me if they have someone looking into it already. Seriously Invicta pedals with shakers would just be amazing 🤩
However it’s not just running the software, for shakers you will need the board/amp to run the shakers and it won’t surprise me if Simagic made the shakers to just work on their board 🤷🏼♂️ some diy expert no doubt can make it work but with my diy abilities no chance 😂
Good video! Had mine p1000i now for a month also but mine dont drop that much on load cell like yours is doing, think it was around 5% drop. And like someone commented, swap clutch spring with throttle and you are golden🤌
5% perfect unfortunately mine way off. You are 3de person to say your set of p1000's don't drop off so I will contact them hopefully its a easy fix cause I really really like the shakers!
Which mix of elastomers and rubbers are you using?
Thanks for your review! May I ask more about the haptic motors. Does it support AC / ACC / iRacing / rFactor 2 / Automobilisto 2 / Dirt / Dirt Rally / F1? Thanks a lot!
Hey matey I know personally they work on Ac/Acc/ iRacing and rfactor2 as for the others I am not 100% sure but don’t see why they won’t work 😉
@@TheSimCircuit Thanks for your reply! Then to get AC / ACC / iRacing / rFactor2 to work, is it all we need is SiMagic office software - SimPro? No need using additional SimHub?
Thanks!
You have the Sim-Lab XP1s in the background. Could you say how you like them (as the pre-order price will go away soon)? Are they similar to the VRS/Simgrade as they also use springs for most of the travel? And did you have any issues with the pedal plates wearing socks? I would like Simagics rumble motors but the raw brake feeling is more important for now
Hey matey, I only wear socks I don’t race with shoes & not gona lie I wish the faceplates had more grip but it’s 100% not a deal breaker I’m certain very soon you will be able to buy face plates either from sim-labs or simcore.
I cannot compare to VRS as I have not tested them but what I can say I am seriously seriously impressed with the SimLabs pedals. I make nothing from any sim manufacturers I don’t get paid by them I bought everything you see with my moola. So my thoughts are out of the box and for the money the SimLabs pedals are 100% a yes for me 👍🏻 I am sure you will be very happy with them
@@TheSimCircuit Thanks a lot for the thorough reply! Good to hear, in these days with many full-time content creators making most of their money through affiliate links, it's sometimes tough to trust them, but with you I see they are very honest non-biased reviews, thanks for that.
@@drchtct cheers mate nice to hear 👍🏻
Very good job here. Among the best test so far I have seen. I would have liked to see when you use them too. I look forward to you testing with the hydralik as well. I think you are so good at this that you should try it too. Then please try all 3 Simagic Alphas. I think you can succeed with your channel as you already show here how good you are.
Cheers mate appreciate your positive feedback, I am still deciding on buying the hydraulic as I am self funded and everything you see on my channel has been bought by myself. I have few pedals to test first & if I decide that I will be keeping the p1000’s I will 100% buy the hydraulic system.
As for the 3 Simagic Alphas it will be a wile before I buy new base but I will be going to the Sim Expo in couple of weeks I will definitely test as much as I can, however spending 10 minutes with a product is not enough to give you solid feedback. Hopefully can point you in right direction 🤔
Btw was testing the SimLabs pedals for first time last night and the brake is loads & loads better than the p1000 out of box but no capacity to make system hydraulic or shakers so 🤷🏼♂️ deciding on new sim gear is never easy 😂
@@TheSimCircuit Yes, very difficult. But you will make it easier for many with your tests.
@@TheSimCircuit Sim Expo it will be exciting. Hope for lots of new and better rigs. ASR pro you should really check out. I'm thinking about it. But you should know I haven't managed to buy anything. But I follow everything there is to follow and read about. No talk about ASR Pro being the best. There you can adjust and everything is nice and stable. Your review of P1000 almost requires you to test with hydraulics as soon as possible. Because if you are going to get followers, it is good to be among the first....I think asetek can be very big in 5-10 years. But I don't think it holds the same class as Simagic. I think Simucube is too expensive and Simagic attracts me much more. Mini is super affordable. But you want the next step and then the price is much higher. I've been working on Moza and next level racing. I get 3% above the purchase price. But nothing is anywhere near good enough for me.
@@TheSimCircuit What stops me from not buying are screens. Oled everything else not good enough. Then you have Samsung 45 inch 21.9 and 48 inch which is not curved and I want 1000 or 800 curved. Not even the right format exists. I would like the 48 inch 21.10 to get more height on the screen. Buying 3 is so much money and the 57 inch ultrawide is like two 32 inch and it doesn't impress me.curvd 800 48inch 16-9 oled would be nice. But not available. Expo and screens I hope there will be news about ´,
I also have the problem with the brake, losing pressure/percentage. Mine is not as bad as yours, but mine has the hydraulic kit added. The haptic motors are way better than the rumble motors I had before. I get a clear signal to my foot when the abs is engaged, which is helpful and very well defined.
I will be using the hydraulic attachment for first time tonight, looking forward to it & hoping the brakes are much better 🤞🏼
Is there an update on the pedal pressure issue @@TheSimCircuit ?
Alex actually a big update. I am in process of of editing the video but also been talking with SiMagic I believe they might have a solution to the brake problem so just waiting to confirm this before I post round 2 review 👍🏻
@@TheSimCircuitAwesome! I look forward to this.
@chepilevski (Race Beyond Matter) had the same issue with the load cell on these pedals. I think I'll get something else. I appreciate your honesty in pointing out the issue.
Thanks for watching matey 👊🏻 I got the hydraulic attachment delivered yesterday, I have yet to try it out but will test it for 2-3 weeks then will give my feedback so stay tuned 🙌🏻 if brake issue sorted then I would say these would make excellent pedals for almost any simracer.
Too be honest, the issue is not only with these pedals, but with all pedals that use elastomers icw a loadcell. Rubber relaxes under pressure after the initially resist This is why the input drops from 10% without changing the amount of pressure. Chepilevski pointed out that even other brands acknowledged the problem. His video is titled: "The HIDDEN problem you should know about Sim Pedals". So to be fair, it isn't a Siagic problem. In fact, they are the only one that use a loadcell and angle sensor.
@@MrMikap74 yes he made a great video explaining it better than I could. My problem is not the that there is drop off, like I said it is very normal to have that drop off because of the elastomers. My problem with the p1000 is the amount of drop off. Most pedals do not have a drop off of more than 10% the p1000 actually like 25%. I bought the hydraulics for the p1000 because I actually Love the them besides for this issue. Will do a update video when I tested the p1000 properly with hydraulics also 👍🏻
@@TheSimCircuit Yo, thank's for the quick response. I am about to change from Fanatec to another ecosystem and haven't made up my mind if I am going for Asetek Forte (or Prima) bundle or Simagic Alpha with the inverted P1000 pedals with rumble motors. I really like the look of Simagic wheels and the P1000 pedals look so nice, but your reviw made me doubt more and ofcourse Asetek has the better quality and customer support. And I like Asetek makes all their products in home instead of China. But I don't like the looks of the Asetek gear. I don't like that plastic front on the wheelbase and the injection molded composite material used for the wheels. And to make the decision harder, Fanatec finally has a new QR and the new ClubSport wheelbase looks very promising.... Thank's again for your response and I like your channel.
Yes, He also says that if you change the rubbers out with a spring it eliminates the issues. The rubbers all do it over time it will get worse. I have had little issues with my sprints till they were about a year old. I then replaced them with the upgrade kit. I'm changing over to spring in the near future just looking for the right one. The only reason I would buy something else would be hydraulic feeling that I would like to try. Looking forward to when he adds them to these pedals.
Could you tell what configuration of elastomers and rubbers you used when you had that 25% drop on the brakes?
I had the the out of box configuration think it was 3 blue 3 red rest grey (was as stiff as I could make out of box). So can go harder if you buy kit & that might help the drop off slightly im sure 🤔
@@TheSimCircuit yes, i think so. It seems that the problem is the grey ones as they are made of rubber. Maybe replacing them by red or blue ones will help reducing the drop off.
Makes sense the stiffer the rubber the less travel/relax on the brake. Going to have to spend more money now to get extra rubbers 😂🤦🏼♂️
@@TheSimCircuit I thought it came with extra ones on the box. This is really bad if you have to spend more money to have only elastomers and no rubbers on the brake.
I want them to make the inverted hydralic brake add on for the p2000 I like running my pedals inverted.
I am sure if demand for inverted pedals are good with p1000 they might just do something for the p2000 🤞🏼. Should not be that hard for them to make the cylinder to flip round like with the p1000i 🤷🏼♂️
Is the loadcell drop still an issue for you or were the pedals faulty?
Hey matey. Problem has been solved. This issue according to SiMagic only affected a few pedals that were preorders. I actually have a video that shows how problem was solved and doing the brake tests again.
How does this compare to the VNM pedals lite? I’m debating on which one to buy
I have not tried the VNM pedals so unfortunately I can’t say, but I am loving the p1000, p1000 is something you can upgrade over time but just know it’s expensive when you start adding to the p1000’s
would you know whats the Shore scale on those elastomers in the brake?
Believe they start at 50 and go up in increments of 10 to the hardest that is the polyurethane ones (90).
The elastomers are different when fitting the hydraulic and I am not sure about those but would assume they will be a little harder again 🤷🏼♂️
The dropping in brake pressure...Did you check that in iRacing or Assetto Corsa settings?
Could just be the Simagic software, it sucks majorly
In iRacing is where I noticed before going into software, have my pedal telemetry graph right above my dash I could tell from graph straight away I cant hold brake pressure. I did not test in AC or ACC. I have had couple people mention that their brake does not do the same! I will contact Simagic see what they say, maybe I just got unlucky has happened before when I bought from Asetek so its very possible.
@@TheSimCircuitdid you hear back from them?
@@Jose-pq4bc I did but nothing solid I can Report back on. I bought my set through a reseller here in UK not going to send back as I will be using the hydraulic attachment anyway going forward but was told I could send back to have them looked at so that is nice having that option.
I see you have the xp1 aswell. Which one would you choose when similar priced? I won’t be buying the shakers nor hydraulic brake.
Then it’s easy choice mate if shakers and hydraulics not something you need then the xp1 pedals best in my opinion.
I have HE sprints & p1000 had fanatec v3 and loads of other pedals. If you take pedals in that price point I think the xp1’s are best in class. I do hear some people complain about squeaky brake now and then but nothing that can’t be sorted with a bit of lube 😜
Beyond Race matter Just did a video on these. He shows how to fix the brake fade within the Software. My 1200.00 simtrecs do the same its rubber can only hold it from for so long.
Yes, but the fixing is using the position sensor instead of the loadcell which does not seem a good solution.
I like your content. I am pretty sure you don’t have the cylinder for the brake installed correctly. You need to tighten the cylinder rod against the elastomers. If you didn’t do this, explains the pressure bleeding off instantly. My P1000 don’t do this.
Glad your liking the content matey 😀 The cylinder I loosened before filming all the adjustments, there is a small hole/circle to show you to where to tighten. Can assure you I actually had preload on the brake that I had to adjust the dead zone cause it was on 3% without my foot touching the brake so if anything I tightened it too much. Excellent pedals, I know I’m not the only one who has the brake problem but I did preorder my p1000’s so not sure if maybe Simagic fixed this problem later on possibly 🤷🏼♂️
Have they resolved the brake bleedoff effect?
Yes issues has been fixed 👍🏻
@@TheSimCircuit What was the issue in the end? Cheers
@@ni7ehey matey. You will see in my next video, SiMagic sent me out new circuit boards. They say the very first batch of p1000 were affected so this won’t be issue going forward. The brakes are now at about 5% & that’s more than acceptable for myself anyway 👍🏻
That's brilliant thanks for the updaye. 'll look out for the video. I love the look of these pedals!
@@ni7eno prob matey 👍🏻 if you have other questions ask away. I can recommend these 100% now I would prioritise a shaker for the brake pedals above any other upgrade on the p1000’s 😉
Fanatec V3's have had small vibration motors on them for years.
Yes I know. I used to have the v3 for years and they have a little motor but the motor only works when u push down a certain distance. The fanatec motors does not give you game data like Abs or Traction control. The shakers on the p1000 completely different & a big step up compared to the v3’s.
The p1000 haptics are nothing like transducers in respect too how they work. I had transducers on my pedals but with transducers you have to use a sound card that sound card adds delay but the haptic Simagic have made do not use a sound card they take the telemetry from the game directly meaning the delay is one to one with the ABS and TC lights on the car. When I did a slow mo video the simagic haptics react the moment the ABS/TC lights blink in game but my Transducers on the other hand had over 350ms of delay thats what makes these much much better.
The haptics on pedals like the conspit and Fanatec only use rumble motors like you find in Any Xbox or PlayStation controller so nothing like these.
What simagic have accomplished is outstanding in regards to their haptics.
It is game changing 100%. I know I am faster using the p1000’s it cannot be explained properly the difference between seeing a light on a dash to actually feeling it through your pedals until you tried your self.
Now with the hydraulics fitted I am extremely happy with my p1000’s 😀
Are you from south Africa?
Yes 🙌🏻
@@TheSimCircuit cool man! I emailed you!
@@saffaboy2007 oh seen that 🙌🏻 very keen will be joining . My mom & dad is over for a visit so won’t be racing now for 2 weeks but 100% can’t wait 👍🏻
@@TheSimCircuit awesome! See you soon!
That brake issue is from the elastomere itself. All elastomere pedals will have this issue
Mi Moza pedals have elastomere and have not this issue.
@@Dani_Jari you are a lucky man..... see this on several différents pedal sets. Like in mine. Maybe not that gap, but with the same hold pressure, you Can not have constant pressure...
@@Dani_Jarithe reason your Moza pedals don’t have the same problem is because they use a loadcell and an angle sensor on the brake pedal. They interpolate a brake value based on the combination of both.
@@alecmillea4539 🤔makes sense
Yes the drop off is from the elastomers however in my experience with pedal the drop is much more on p1000 than any other pedal I have tried. Few people said they don’t have this problem on their p1000 so could possibly be just a few units 🤷🏼♂️
Ps I did end up buying the hydraulics for the brakes they arrive tomorrow & I can’t wait to use the p1000 again 😊
are u welsh, brotoher?
Your very close 😂 I’m South African 😄
I know that accent 🇿🇦
Yes boet 😉 very happy to be a South African this week 💪🏼🏆
You don't have to buy the hydraulic cylinder. In the software change your brake from "Load Cell" to "Angle". You can keep 100 percent just fine, no
"bleed out" been using these pedals for almost a month, prefer them over my Fanatec CS V3s.
I know you can run on angle sensor but then you could just buy pedals that cost allot less. With the loadcell you should be able to create muscle memory of how hard to push that is much more difficult using an angle sensor. Besides for maybe a DD wheel base I would say loadcel pedals are the biggest upgrade you can make to your rig to get faster in the sim (that’s if the loadcel works as it should).
The P1000 is excellent pedals, I went and bought the P-HYS hydraulic system and I can assure you I would not have spent more of my own money on these pedals if I did not think it’s worth doing so 👊🏻👍🏻
Using the hall sensor solves the drop off.
100% yes but then you could get pedals for a much better price & loadcel will make you faster over a period of time because of muscle memory when applying pressure, personally I would not pay this type of money to be using a hall censor on the brake pedal 🤷🏼♂️
Use the angle sensor on the pedals
Could yes but paid allot of money just to be using a hall sensor 🤷🏼♂️ got the hydraulics order will test this week and see if any better 🤞🏼