Living With An Electric Car - This RUINED IT!! *Audi Etron Sportback S Review*
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- So the Audi E Tron Sportback S is a brilliant electric car. I enjoyed driving the Audi E Tron sportback S a lot however there are some things i want to share with you about the driving experience that really didnt go down well!
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At the risk of sounding like a Tesla fanboy, Tesla realised a decade ago that charging is a critical part of the EV equation, and invested in the supercharger network from the start.
I have never had to wait at a charger and never come up against an unserviceable one.
Pull up, plug in, sit in the car with a coffee and watch Netflix or TV, unplug and drive away. No cards, no logging in, no phone call required - the car just chats to California for a few seconds to tell them it’s you and when you unplug your authorised account is debited.
Relying on third parties for charging is at present a disaster.
This was a big deal breaker for me which is why I bought a m3 long range.
Same. Tesla owner since a year back. I've been across Europe a couple of times. No issues. Always works.
Admittedly, you'll have to plan your charging route (or rather, the car does it for you), so it's not like zero restrictions, but honestly, it really isn't an issue at all.
I pretended to shop around but the SC network meant I could only buy Tesla. No plugs in my public parking. So lucky I went that way. I subscribed to the 3rd party networks around, including local government sponsored ones, to see if I could charge closer but what a broken cluster...f. I feel sorry for anybody that buys a non Tesla :-(
Phillip.
That and 90% of Tesla owners are homeowners with chargers.
People with electric vehicles charge 90% of the time at home or work.
Always leave home with a full charge in the morning just like your cell phone.
Drive a Tesla and you will find their SuperCharger network is great.
Ionity is the problem not the electric vehicle.
Wow, love the raw emotion and honesty in your video Stef. Really good to hear what the reality of the infrastructure is at this moment in time 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
It's OK for someone half sensible.
Its all bullshit. Get a Tesla and the infrastructure is just fine.
That’s why I stress that Hybrid vehicles are the best option!!! It will be decades before any country has a reliable grid. Even then the cars have decades before battery tech is better.
@@neil78b that is such out of Touch bullshit. Tesla superchargers are everywhere and sluin hybrids are made for idiots who are willing to pay for maintenance free technology.
Over here in New Jersey, the EV charging stations grid is a failure. There are very few charging stations around, and if you do find a charger, it will most likely be out of order, vandalized or there will be two cars in front of you. Total disaster. Many folks live in apartment buildings and for that reason they can't charge their cars overnight and would have to depend on the very unreliable (and expensive) public charging stations. Not good. Furthermore, I don't see a fix for this anytime soon with the current group of clowns we have in office at the moment.
an EV you cannot charge is like a a really nice ornament that looks nice but completely USLESS !
V ery well said! Our mindless politicians in the US think they can force people into EVS by stifling the oil supply and jacking up gas prices. They are causing inflation and endorsing an unrealistic scenario that can cripple the country. EVs are untenable if you cannot charge at home
At £96,000 I can see loads of people buying one of these! After all thanks to our very low energy prices now days and the super low cost of living , I think everyone has a spare £96 grand lying around, especially for the 'fun' experience of EV charging networks in the UK. But as long as it makes the govnt. feel good then its all good! I mean as a massive island that's way bigger than China and Russia its up to us to make sure we bankrupt ourselves to ensure our huge island is green by 2030! I am in!
Very low energy prices, Have you not seen the news recently?
@@curtisj2165 It seems your sarcasm radar is not working !
What country do you live in ,electric is just on par with petrol lol as in price
@@lesrush6298 Your ability to spot sarcasm is failing you !
100 k and 6 years later new batteries are needed money box no thanks
Bottom line- The electric charging infrastructure is no where ready for the amount of EV cars the world is touting and selling. For now, I will continue with my 42 MPG Audi A6 TDI and enjoy 750 miles per tank fill.
Yup. I love EVs and have owned several from the Volt, Bolt, Model 3, Hyundai Ioniq etc. but I charge it at home. I still don't think people should get an EV if they plan to rely on the charging network. EVs are first and foremost meant to be charged and topped off at home. If you cannot do this, it will be a pain in the ass. I live in California, so we have charging stations every other mile, but some won't work, some are too filled up you'd have to wait an hour or 2 for the person ahead of you to finish charging. Even in the best case scenario, taking 30 minutes to an hour out of your day to charge is still a huge hassle. It's still not worth it and I think California has the best charging network.
Thanks for your input since I haven't come across a person that owns an electric vehicle which usually tells the whole story and not just the hype. It makes sense that it would be perfect for around town, but on long road trips, I can see the aggravation it can be when trying to charge the vehicle. As more EVs are on the road, the quicker the charging stations will fill up since these cars can't charge fast enough to be ready for the next route. Just do the math. I've done research on all the charging station along my route with both Tesla supercharger and Electrify America and both are still few and far between compared to gas stations. Some of them are a ways in from the highway which would add more stress in driving.
@@maxkonig559 Exactly. Not only that but I personally think charging stations are more dangerous. More people fill up at gas stations, so it gets more traffic, unless you're filling up in the middle of no where or at odd times at night, there will be some people there. As for charging stations, there are not as much traffic and it does not take 5 minutes to charge. Imagine having to sit inside your car at night for an hour while trying to charge your car up...
Then there's reliability issues. Most gas stations will work or have a few pumps out of service. Charging stations are a toss up. Some only have 2-3 chargers and all of them can be out of service. At least with gas stations, you can just find another one down the road if the first one has issues, but with charging stations, there may not be another one for miles. So if you don't have enough range to reach the next charging station, you're screwed.
Your comment makes so much sense. We're renting a home at the moment - trying to figure out whether or not to sell our rental and buy something closer to home (we live in Marin County now, but relocated from Chicago - left SF for 2 years and came home - the market there is horrible, so we kept it hoping....). We have an '18 BMW 530i, which has been an absolute dream to drive. I love it, love it, love it. It puts friends Tesla model S's to shame, honestly - the fit and finish on Tesla is just embarrassing. I've been seriously considering selling the BMW outright and buying an Audi Q4 e-tron - to capture the $7500 tax credit which would be lovely, and save on not buying fuel. But...... it's the not having dedicated charging. Your comment has given me pause. Thank you.
@@user-ij9bs9ke9j Check out the Genesis GV60. It's not out here in the US yet, but it's a very strong contender.
@@BN99239 I’ll keep my eyes peeled. Thanks!
Think I’ll stick with my fossil fuel car until I’m forced to change.
A great honest review. I won't be buying one soon. Or any electric car for the next 5 years. I still think that the car manufacturers have a lot to learn. They've come along way. But there's still a lot to learn.
Correct petrol and diesel was the best thing invented and all of a sudden it's no good electric will take over eventually but at moment just not enough charging points my mate got a new hybrid octavia and not many chargers about nothing faster than just filling up for miles and miles 😀
There is nothing wrong with the car. What the manufacturers have to learn is that they can’t expect people to buy their wonderful cars and leave the network for someone else to build. Thing is Tesla realised this eight years ago and this remains the greatest strength of Tesla vehicles - the network is available and reliable and just works. Contrast every other network and every reviewer who tries to rely on non Tesla networks.
the problem is Brian the tec is moving so fast no car will be worth hanging on to its all down to two things range and efficiency I'm afraid the electricity price is only going one way which will make manufactures make cars more efficient, miles per KWh will be the new mpg and a 2.6 ton Audi wont cut it! bit like the first mobile phones lol
There's nothing to learn. Building a DC charging network for people to charge publicly doesn't make any sense at all. It's a silly boondoggle. It's not economically viable.
Suppose another way to look at this, would you buy a petrol car if 5 out of 10 petrol stations had no fuel, and the ones that did had a 45 minute - 1 hr waiting time to refill , and every time you dip below a 1/4 of a tank you would have to slow down and really plan your next fill up in case there was no petrol at the next station.
If you drive an ICE vehicle you have NO choice but to fill up at a Service Station and pay the going rate for Petrol (how much is it now?). If you have a BEV you have comparatively complete freedom to “fill-up” ANYWHERE, like at your home! So you never have to visit a Service Station ever again. If you are fortunate enough to be able to easily charge at home over-night using cheaper off-peak electricity then it’s a bargain (even better if you have Solar PV at home). I have had an EV for over a year most daily travel is 50km. I have only been on extended long trips maybe 3-4 times in last year ( in my Audi e-tron 55 Sportback), and never been an issue using a fast charger.
It is happening in Hungary right now xD
If you can afford this car you can afford to get your own charge pump at home
Until now I've had no waittime at all for recharging my car (road trip 1280 km one way).
Simply plug in (at an ionity 350 KW station), start the charge. Going to the toilet (necessary anyway...when filling with petrol you have to do this AFTER refilling, not during refilling), taking a coffee/ lunch and than the car was already waiting for me instead that I was waiting for the chargesession in my car.(Only once in 2 times 1250 km road trip the car was just at the end of the session when I returned to the car all other session the car was ready before me.)
Also, in holiday time, I've seen waiting queues for the petrol stations which guaranteed a longer waiting time before starting to refill the car than I needed to recharge ...especially at border station with relativ cheap fuel compared to the next country.
Oh, I do not drive this much to expensiv audi etron...expensiv in price and using to much energy/km (see testvideo's on the Tesla Bjorn/ Bjorn Nyland channels). But I charge in optimal situation from 10 - 80% in 18 minutes...and yes, this advertiement is correct, but only under optimal conditions. In sub optimal conditions the same charging is maybe 25 minutes...or some less. When really cold (test video's) it can be 30 minutes at most.
Also my car will not slow down until below 4% charge....in no way under 25%.
And you're infra complains? Well, when the first petrol cars came on market there was no infra structure for petrol. It did not stop selling those cars. Even , short before 1960, my parents had to look and plan carefully on a holiday to France where they could refill the car....
(At this moment in Europe we do have enough locations for recharge.....but when more people switch to EV those numbers must be increased.)
But the reality is all petrol stations do have petrol, what a stupid analogy.
We love ours as we are not one of these mythical people that regularly do 200 mile trips
me too!
I do round trips of 250+ miles to remote places, almost every day. I’m in the UK
I've done 4000-5000 mile trips in the U.S. with my EV. What's mythical about it?
The cars are waaaaaay to far ahead of the network. The only use case for an electric car is someone who charges at some and goes no furthers than 100 miles or less from their house.
And who the hell drives 100 miles each and every day? It’d be a very small percentage of the driving population that does that! In fact global statistics are something like 95% of people travel way less than 50km per day. Just about every BEV in the market could handle that range, and if you can charge over night at home your laughing as you have a Full car every morning and paid 1/4 or less for equivalent cost of fuel.
@@johncanalese588 if this is an only car for a person or family that happens a lot in terms of travelling longer distances…. Hence my comment.
@@wheelsandwatches You clearly didn’t comprehend my statement. I quoted statistical observation - I’m sure they included those “families” you mentioned in their data gathering.
@@johncanalese588 I did but that is not exactly real world use is it. People do drive longer journeys, maybe not every week. Maybe only once a month and as such a one car household would find an EV a hassle on such occasion.
@@wheelsandwatches Mate, I live in Sydney, Australia and have owned my Audi e-tron for over one year and range is NOT a problem. Could we do with more chargers, yes of course and they will come As you would understand we have great distance to travel over here and I have done a few trips with legs of about 400km (which is nothing in Oz), and I’ve fared just fine. I stop at a fast charger and in less 20mins I’ve got 200km range while I’ve had a break for drink, lol etc. don’t know where your fear is coming from.
Having owned an EV for two years (with no facility to charge at home), it is absolutely essential to do your homework. Think about how you intend to use the car, how practical is it to charge? What is the charging network like in your area?
Sure, a lifestyle change will be needed to accommodate charging. I was expecting this and could easily work it into my commute, or charge whilst shopping, but for some, this might be a step too far.
I ran the car for 2.5 years, then sold it because the huge uptake of EV's in my area meant that charging it at convenient times was becoming more difficult and a change in circumstances meant needing to drive further. This either meant going for a longer range EV at a price I really couldn't justify, or go back to internal combustion, which is what I did.
What did you get?
why not install a charger at home?
Agreed! I also have had one for over a year, I charge at home, and I actually have an Audi, he must have been using the included charger either on 120v, or at 50% capacity. 6 hrs on a level 2 and the thing is nearly full from dead.
When I pay 100k + or a "car" I won't accept limitations... lol
@@j0404t bring your home when you travel.
In the US there are Tesla super chargers & everything else. The everything else is incompatible plugs, bad chargers and rejected accounts. Not ready for prime time. Hyper milers have to charge up to 50% and run to the next charger. Distances in US means there are charging deserts. Not fun!
Definitely depends on where you are even in the US. California as charging stations everywhere and EVs are dime a dozen. It makes perfect sense in ridiculous California traffic jams for a lot of people on the west coast.
Like that charging problem was Audi's fault ;) If Electric car doesen't suit your need it is not for you. no deed to say it is band for all! for many it is brilliant thing. i know, this is old video, but still... Electric car is not for everyones needs.
Choosing the 21 inch wheels; while they look cool, they really diminish the range. If people want the best range, go with the standard wheels/tires and stay away from all wheel drive.
I have the e-tron 50 with regular 20" wheels, range is 130 in winter, nearly 200 in summer. If you need more range, the Tesla LR or cars that displace less air...
yeah, everybody buy an EV so that the electrical grid can meltdown and no one can drive anywhere. These vehicles are overpriced, never get the range the manufacturers claim, frustrating as hell to own just because people are trying so hard to be "cool' and different! The only EV to own is a hybrid. So you can just fill it with gas when needed. F pure electric cars. They are worthless.
EV's are a good choice for a segment of the population. If you have your own home, and you use the car to commute to and from work, or have a regular group of places you need to drive to around a smaller area, they can work. Otherwise, it is just not going to work without dramatic changes in the technology. It boggles my mind that people can't seem to figure this out.
Just the cost - both in money and to the environment - to gather all the materials needed to make an EV, especially the elements needed for the battery make it an unworkable proposition. And try to imagine for a second how many charging stations you would need if every vehicle was an EV, not to mention the cost and specialized materials needed for those chargers. They don't just pop up out of the ground. Imagine if every vehicle was an EV and you had to find a charging station. Doesn't that sound like fun?
EV's have a place, but too many people think they run on pixie dust and unicorn farts, and can't seem to logically grasp all that it takes to make the technology viable for a large segment of the population. We are going to be driving traditional vehicles for a long time...
None of this is true. What made you think this was true?
@@Lewis_Standing Oh you know...physics, maths, facts, reality. Thats sort of thing.
Well once upon a time we only had one airport in this country, in fact it was the first airport in the planet. And now people have airports in their backyards. The electric infrastructure will grow little by little.
@@nelauren Yeah , powered by wind. HaHa.
As someone who has owned EVs for 6 years, I can confirm that this is the reality. If range is your priority, don’t get an EV.
You're a plonker as well then!!!
That is not true.
@@StevenHaggis why?
Who has range as a priority?
My EV has a larger range than any ferrari....
Or just get a Tesla. Range matters, but charging speed, reliability and charging network as just as important. Tesla has you covered.
Good video. I have the q4 etron and for my families lifestyle we can get away with home charging for 99% of use. However, the odd longer journey, I’ve luckily not had to charge on the network so far, as we’ve just eeked out the range with about 10-13% (40ish miles) remaining. The range indicator is pretty accurate if you use the app to check your route and range before leaving.
Get a charger installed at home or don’t have an EV
This is Michael. This car is a fail, and a disappointment from Audi. When I saw the concept I was enamored, when I see the real deal I say why couldn't they have done better? Their use of battery power is totally inefficient compared to Tesla. You can get 0 to 60 in 4.6 sec. a Kia ev6! Why would anyone pay 30% more for this Audi? Sportback my foot. It doesn't even look sporty.
You're right; the charging station network is not what it should be in America or Europe. If Tesla can put up a whole fast charging Network for one brand, why can't the big oil companies or the other big car companies put up charging station networks?
You lost me at £96k to be honest. Who has the money to run these cars (honest question)? I’ve a fairly well paid job and bought a year old second hand saloon in 2019 for £22k which had a list price of £43k and think that was expensive. On top of that, the Audi is not fit for purpose I.e. you struggled to charge it up and so pretty much useless. Surely, BEVs should be small and light to be effective rather than 2.5 tons or am I missing something here?
£97,000 and all this hassle is not for me,my BMW X3 Sport 3litre DIESEL over 600 miles on a full tank and no charging points to worry about,until batteries and charging problems are sorted out I’ll stick with my 50mpg diesel guzzler,driven at the motorway speed limit it will do 50mpg NO Problem. People are paying thousands of pounds for electric shopping trolleys that are a constant worry about how far they can travel without charging up,great for round town useless for real journeys especially on a Bank Holiday weekend in traffic jams where you could be waiting hours at a charging point waiting behind other people who have fallen for all the Bullshit that they have been fed by the Manufacturers about how Green they are and cheap to run,this is yet another con to part people from their money just like the Diesel Scam was and wait till these start giving trouble and only the Manufacturers know how to fix them,can’t wait for that scenario.
100% of ICE cars are fueled at gas stations. 95% of EVs will be charged at home. The infrastructure doesn’t need to be the same. Currently a significant amount of the charging stations are being used by plug ins or shorter range cars. As the battery capacity increases and Plug Ins go by the wayside, combined with most cars won’t need public chargers, it will all settle out. Most households in America have more than one car, and not all need to be EVs.
Synthetic fuel ⛽️ low carbon please. How many years before this tank has it’s carbon in manufacturing offset 150?? 😬
Haha, yeah, made from fairy dust!
@@stephen300o6 just been watching this guy who is basically a maths genius working all this out. He said if you buy the biggest battery EV and charge it from a coal fired power station it will take 17.5 years before there is any benefit to the environment. I wish I was kidding.
I really don't get this....so you buy an Audi Etron spend £87k then you bang on you don't like the centre console layout and some other thing that has switches Blah Blah....then your sat in a charging bay and then raise your voice like a little kid that's broke the hooter in his plastic car that you got for Christmas and you say the infrastructure charging is not in place for evs yet ??, I mean really.??? Did you not do your research before buying like most people do ?
Dont tell me you bought in blind?? Bit like when you go on a blind date to meet a bit totty !! , you suggest a meet at the coffee shop , your there early... in she walks looking like that centre console you don't like ....your thinking to yourself "oh My God I's that her " ? So put your banaclaver on for a quick escape....
All ev owners at the moment are Guinea pigs so just accept it...I doubt the infrastructure will be there in 5 years ....as for the car not my style cuz of that centre console has no purpose and there's no charging infrastructure. 😉..regards D
AUDI is not luxury but a VW or a Skoda or a SEAT. The interior is going to get nasty after a couple years and there is always some form of electronic problems..... you want luxury you go for the Benz
The most intelligent video i have seen about using an EV as an everyday car is this. Do not try to use it as an Internal Combustion Engine where you refuel the car as you get below 1/4 tank. Say once every couple of weeks. But charge it like your phone where by you charge it every night at home. That would be like every day going home via a petrol station every day to maintain your car full of fuel. A new way of fueling your car mindset is required.
Public charging is a joke, I will never have another EV. Using public charging when you can get it costs more than the equivalent diesel mile for mile.
Unless you can afford a Tesla, don’t bother.
97k for the 8 percent. The ones not in the 92% on a form of pcp finance. Wild money. Rather a nice 35k used Alfa something.
Who in their right mind would want to buy second hand eight year old one of these when the battery is out of warranty and length of its life unknown.
Battery replacement cost would write the car off.
Fast charging reduces a batteries life and capacity .
Most battery manufacturers recommend that a rechargeable battery should never be run down to less than 20% and not charged to more than 80% capacity to maximise battery life.
That leaves just 60% to utilise.
The first and second owners of these vehicles don’t have to worry about caring for the battery, it will be the less cash rich secondhand buyer who will reap what the previous did to the battery.
penny's dropping
If ya can't Home Charge for daily driving .. I would never get an EV. Even with a more reliable charging network like Tesla's, they charge a HUGE markup, costing you as much as gasoline would, defeating the cost savings benefits of Electricity.
saving the planet by using 0 emission cars has nothing to do with saving money
@@Bob-nu3xe saving the planet while saving money... is the only way the planet will be saved, because humans are greedy like that, a sad but true fact.
£96000 now thats so expensive savings the planat brilliant 🎄🎄🎄🎄🎄
Moaning about SOUND 🤷🏼…. How very “Fossil”. Sound gives you ZERO.
I couldn't do an EV. Would drive me nuts.
JCB are sticking with internal combustion fuelled by hydrogen. True - these are construction vehicles - but speaks volumes.
Numpty comment
Yet lorries and buses have electric models, which are closer to a passenger vehicle than a JCB. So, no, it doesn’t “speak volumes”.
Appreciate the experience differs but I have an ETron Sportback also and live up north (Manchester) and can honestly say I have never really had issues with charging (with the only time I really have is when I took a trip to Cornwall, and most of this was due to holiday traffic/EV charger queuing)
I don't understand why all petrol stations don't install EV chargers. Seems like a logical evolution.
Because there isn't room. You can fill up on a petrol pump in a few minutes so having 8 or 10 or 12 is enough. If it took 20 to 30 minutes you would need 40 or 50 pumps.
To deliver just 1 rapid charger delivering just 50kw charge you need 3 phase 415 v at 125 amps. So unless there is local grid distribution, the civil ( digging and laying cable) is costly. Imagine how much power you need for 5 chargers. Not economic
Because they're petrol stations, not drive-in theatres.
Thank you so much my friend for your honesty, and being down to Earth this is what we need...
I currently drive a Lexus RX 450h hybrid which I love....
But you are so so right, owning a car is one thing, but enjoying the experience as you live with it,is another...
I'm definitely getting less fascinated with EV cars for a number of the reasons you've already mentioned...
Take care .. thank you👍🏽💛
i dont understand all of these folks buying other cars than Lexuses, maybe one day they realize
@@konstantintourov7654 very very ugly front.. thats why
I live in the Algarve, the superchargers in Portugal and Spain are located at gorgeous golf courses, breathtaking vineyards or boutique hotels! No Beaconsfield services and urine stinky washrooms for us.
*So .. NOT all EV’s give that crappy experience 🔝 a TESLA is utterly different*
Dont buy something if you dont understand how it works - there are other chargers you can use near that Ionity station. Yes, they dont always work but most times you can see on the apps which chargers are working before you get there. I’m up to 75k on EV’s with very few issues at charge points - its not a petrol car, its not a petrol infrastructure dont expect it to be like driving a petrol car. The whole EV concept is a completely different mind set. I spend more time at charge stations helping people that have bought an EV without really understanding what theyve bought - its mad. Its still early adoption but the network is bigger than people think - ive never had to ‘Q’ once in 75k miles and we’re running 2 EV’s now - check the apps and see which chargers arent being used.
Do the apps cover all types of charging station, including out of order and in use/available status? If so are people who complain about it being broken when they get there just idiots who didn't check the app first?
No way it will go 200 miles on a charge. It's more like 140 to 170 depending on how you drive it. The big downside of all EVs is that they become outdated super-fast. Every EV that's been made to date will soon become unwanted with the release of the new battery technology that's on its way.
Agree. The reason I went back to petrol cars in 2016
Surely they will just be a good used buy, look at 10 year old Nissan Leafs, very popular.
@@jamie-ck6js very cheap also. As soon as a new battery technology is released all the old EVS will be unwanted.
will every petrol/diesel become unwanted technology even quicker as ULEZ charges and tax penalties increase over the next couple of years?
Spot on my friend paying 90,000 for a car that the technology will be changing quicker than its 0 to 62 time is a bad deal, the car in 3 to 5 years will be worthless, it has one massive Achilles heel its range, in 3 to 5 years 400/600 miles on a charge will be normal which put the Audi into scrap land
This is one of the big issues with EV's - you end up having to make compromises and changing your driving habits to fit around the car, hunting for chargers when you shouldn't need to, finding they're out of action or having to wait ages for one to be free, then when you do find one, praying it communicates with your car ok and charges at a reasonable speed. Longer journeys are all about planning for your next charging stop and how long you might need to be there. Energy cost increases mean charging costs are increasing dramatically too - a 350kw charger from a private company will likely cost you almost as much to charge as it would to fill up with fuel! Being an EV driver in 2022 is a lesson in frustration, patience, anger and military style planning.
It's gonna come to this waiting hours to charge gonna take years to be charging points every where waste of the time if you live in an apartment or flat no where to charge petrol and diesel was the best thing invented all of a sudden it's no good now fill tank in a couple of minutes for miles and miles of driving
Cars are not failing ..... Your government is
@@raymondvaughan6262
At present, yes. But in just a few years, when only a few million EVs are on the road, petrol stations will be uneconomic and you’ll be in the same quandary with ICE cars. There’s a tipping point.
Having said that I suspect the forward thinking service stations will have chargers soon.
Also, remember that your thinking changes with an EV: since the car, for people with garage or driveway parking, the car can be “full” every morning. It’s only on long trips that filling is necessary.
Or...you buy a Tesla 😉
@@jbogren no thanks to the lot. Looks terrible for me and having to go to a screen to open a glove box is a no for me
Get a Tesla - never had a single issue. Never seen a broken or not working charger.
So you got mad because you didn’t charge your car even though you knew you needed the charge to finish the testdrive? Maybe next time plan ahead or just go to another charger. You had over 100 miles of range in the car. There was no need to be sweating for half an hour in the car.
Thank you for the honest opinnion! this is my exact fear and why i will not switch to an EV until the infrastructure is up to standard. The disruption to normal daily duties does not make sence for the pricepoint. Good cars, lacking charging for the masses once we are all forced to switch.
Buy Tesla and enjoy, including charging...lol
Agree, the car is good but charging infrastructure isn’t there. Range anxiety is a real thing
96 grand if you buy one you prove you have more money than sense.
I drive an Audi. A 2015 A6 allroad quatro 3.0 V6 diesel. It costs me £100 to fill the tank in around 5 minutes. The range is 800 miles at around 52mpg. It, ULEZ compliant and extremely clean running, definitely has a much smaller carbon footprint than any EV. It's as quiet as this pile of electric crap and it cost me a lot less than 96 grand!
Any EV owner want to race me from London to Edinburgh and back?
Diesel. From the VW group. "Extremely clean running". LOL!
Had the q3 hybrid sportback for a month from my employer. No range, cheap plastics, never recharged it since I had the company card for gas. Nice alcantara seats and predictive cruise control is fun. Was it worth 60K € ? No way. Now driving a small petrol car, paid 7K €. EV ? Maybe in 10 years time, 15 more likely.
I remember when cell phone networks were like that. You had to have an account on every network you wanted to use. Then they came up with roaming agreements and suddenly you could travel with your phone and just use it. We need the same thing for vehicle charging networks. If you have an account on one it should just let you plug-n-change anywhere and get billed on your one account for all of them. That way only one entity has your credit card or bank account information and you don't have to worry about getting your card skimmed at the charger.
3rd world problems? In the EU I can find chargers everywhere.
So true. I am pondering between e-tron and a plugin hybrid but the biggest issue here is not charging but maintenance costs when warranty and good will run out (some cars have had 14keur fixes), cars from 2021 are quite cheap now.
Great video, I have said many times before, we are around 5-10 years away from being 💯 EV.
My experience has been different. I have an Ioniq 5 awd, my wife has free charging in work, so we rarely have to pay for it, got two years Ionity subscription with the car, so superfast charging is cheap on long journeys.
Sure have to plan a little more, when going beyond the range of a full charge, but it's no biggy so far. Could the network be better? Sure, a lot better, but it's good enough that i have at least so far been able to go where I want when i want without issue.
Petrol power is so much less stress, ev’s are okay for a runner round but not for long journeys as the charging network is no where near ready for all these ev’s people are buying.
Agree. EV’s will get there though
Always been my issue with EV’s. This encapsulates it all in a video. Why spend £90k on a car like this, where you have to plan routes and charging, when you can get a Range Rover with a better interior, better drive, etc for less? Obviously all about personal choice and experience, but I’ve yet to be in any EV that I would take over the Range Rover or my old BMW X6.
an Englishman who has been driving Land Rovers products for over twenty years and can honestly say there is no place more comfortable to be..
m an Englishman who has been driving Land Rovers products for over twenty years and can honestly say there is no place more comfortable to be....
....whilst waiting for a tow truck!
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Paul Rankin
Its not the cars that are the problem its the infrastructure which currently is very hit and miss
I feel what you're saying is true for road trips that are not on main road ways or highways. If you're heading out to the countryside and there isn't a level 2 EVSE or higher at your destination you could be in trouble.
Almost £100k!!! Who pays that for an electric car 😮
People with money?
Get a 7kW charger at home and do it properly and it's no problem.
Just got one
I just leased the 2024 Q8 ETron Sportback. Love the ride and look of it. I got pissed after fully charging it and I didn’t see my 296 miles range that was listed on window sticker. Thanks for sharing.
you do need to add...the flipping ev charging network is shit in the UK.
Loved the Taycan Turbo S I had on order but a weekend taught me that because I'm not trying to save tax I couldn't live with the range. So I'm getting a 911 Turbo S. Enjoy the sound, enjoy the drive and save the planet with insulation.
911 T S any day for me over this E crap, well dune on getting a real car
Legend. Respect ✊🏻😁
Audi launched this in the North of Scotland I remember all the reviewers finding the same problems, range was only 60% of what audi claimed and they had to always drive back to where audi had set up charging stations because there were none within 150 miles, totally exposed the EV nonsense 😀
I was seriously considering getting an EV as my next car. But clearly, the system/network is not in place. And, clearly won't be for many years to come... Unlike gas stations.
I’m sure it was just for the video, but why would you choose to charge your car if you have 140miles already. You wouldn’t stop at a petrol station with the same miles. Just drive home and charge overnight. I drive my Taycan until I have hardly any charge and get up to 260kw at Ionity which is generally very good.
90 miles is 144km. 23.7 kWh per 100km =34.12 kWh/ 6 = 5.68 kWh/hr. But you CAN charge up 120kwh. Well, in civilized counties that is :p I can 3-fase loading 32A = 22,2 kWh just at home. But ranting is fun, I get it.
Great video, great input. This is one of the things why I can't get an EV (if I wanted to) because here where I live it's even worse with the charging and we have a special tax coming soon for charging at home which will make things even worse...
which country are you from?
Looks like they lost a lot of value in a year
Until the charging network gets sorted and the battery have a decent range the best option is probably a hybrid
I'm never going to put my money down for an EV until the time it takes to fully charge it takes less than 5 minutes tops
around 2036 then
Welcome to the world of electric car. This is not just an Audi e-tron problem…
Ive been driving an ev for a few months now.
Saves me a fortune with petrol prices being £1.80 atm, but if I didnt have a home charger id probably burn the thing to the ground through frustration if I had to rely on public chargers
The EV network is why I am reluctant to switch. I'll go hybrid but full ev is a no for me for now. Apparently with the chargers if it says verifying or down if you call the number on the side of the charger they can remotely reboot it and then it works. My friend has done this once or twice but not many people know this and it doesn't always work.
The amount of people her complaining about the range is unbelievable. Instead of blaming ev's and the charging infrastructure blame yourself,
You didn't do your research before buying a EV is the bottom line.
My wife and I work from 100% of the time our trips in the car are for the most part very short because we live close to many things.
We have the occasional road trip for vacation (house rule no more than 6hrs driving) and to in-laws and that's it.
So our use of the network would be minimal, most charging will be done at home around 90%.
We are thinking about switching to the Etron S.
Reason I sold my EV went to petrol, I like to do long trips on weekends without stopping for 1hr to charge if charging station is working. That’s in California. I refuse to get Tesla like everyone else.
You “REFUSE” to get the only long range EV with a proprietary charging network that spans the United States because EVERYONE ELSE has one? Now there is an impregnable reason not to buy one. ;-)
“It’s not the EV, it’s the charging network” Crazy (or maybe just the reality that you have to say certain things, truth be damned, if you want to stay in the good graces necessary to continue in the youtube car review biz).
It *is* the EV. EVs as they exist today are inherently compromised. Literally the only reason to own one is to virtue signal to other half-educated people. Anyone with any degree of sense knows they don’t eliminate emissions, they simply move them a bit further away, allowing the driver to effectively don blinders and ignore his actual carbon footprint. Governments are relentlessly pressuring consumers and car companies to ditch ICE and embrace solely EV. Thus we have the phenomenon of some of the largest (and hence most government-entangled) car companies making facially incredible pledges to go pure EV (but always about 10 years in the future, of course). The car companies thus have a huge incentive to convince consumers to buy these things.
And yet, do we see more and more cheap and excellent EVs, light and crashworthy cars that tread lightly over the earth, are incredibly efficient and are priced to encourage mass conversion? No, instead virtually all the action is with extremely heavy luxo-barges with stratospheric price tags - the Taycans, the eTrons, the F150 Lightnings, the Rivians and all the other ludicrous models. Why? Because they can hide the obscene cost of these vehicles in those inflated price tags. They can hide the obscene weight in their already ample proportions. They can sell to luxury owners who have many alternatives, only ever drive the things only for short jaunts to the spa or the wine bar, and will never keep a vehicle long enough to see its end of life (which is not pretty for an EV) or care much abour resale value.
If EVs are going to change the world, what is needed is a Nissan Leaf that weights no more than an ICE vehicle of the same class, charges 10% to 99% in no more than 30 minutes and that can go consistently 1,000 actual miles before requiring a recharge under real world driving conditions, and that costs $20,000 tops. Instead we’re getting a proliferation of $150,000+ vehicles that always have the same 2 party tricks (lots of torque off the line and superfluous gadgets galore) and even at that price do not have acceptable range or refueling options.
So EVs are not winning the war with ICE vehicles (because reality), and the only reason they sell in the limited quantities they do is because the car companies’ partners in crime, western governments, are agreeably kneecapping ICE vehicles by taxing the crap out of fossil fuel, subsidizing EVs with taxpayer money, discouraging supply (thus artificially driving up costs) by making it prohibitively expensive to drill, refine, store and transport fossil fuels, ranting about “renwables” from the bully pulpit, carbon-shaming ordinary citizens, you name it. But reality will always re-assert itself in the end. Barring a technological quantum leap that now appears nowhere on the horizon, the EV party will end badly and abruptly.
The more you travel north the less and less chargers , seems you need about 6 or 7 different apps on your phone to pay any different charging points , hopefully one will be available to use and in working order , for me not enough infrastructure yet , the range in between charging is down to drivers style
Ya I want it one cuz as a small business owner it’s a huge write off, but the problem is charging , especially cuz I may not be able to charge at my apartment, so if dc fast is bad for it or a bad charging experience then it won’t
Be good for me, and I drive a lot of miles for work. WhAts true
Range then? I drive 110 miles per day! I would run out!
Gorgeous inside. BUT not really comparable to the Tesla Model Y …
Why ? No supercharger network and piss poor performance and efficiency.
range is the problem..if you had a 900km range ..charging up would be more relaxed..200km range isn't enough..couldn't get from London to Bristol and back..£ 96,000.. for what?
EV's will NEVER catch on.... £96,000 certainly isn't accessible to the masses.... Car ownership isn't on the agenda when it comes to EV's. Finally how are people expected to finance these vehicles which have built-in obsolescence? It has put automobile ownership out of the reach of ordinary people.... Oh wait, Volvo offer subscriptions to drive one of their vehicles. All you need is around £8,000 deposit and pay around £400 perpetually for your "Subscription".... Then you give the vehicle back.... That's a poor financial deal if ever there was one.
I see, congestion on the M25 is the problem! Fix that and all's well.
Nonsense review. Stamp on breaks...sound...running out of power realy. Battery sag realy...
96 thousand pound! Crazy. So with 320km range one has to charge for 1 hour fast charge every 2.5 hour driving. Useless.
You are incorrect, the issue is BATTERIES..it's the wrong technology. Until someone invents a battery technology that has an energy density approaching that of gasoline (
If your daily commute to work is 30mins i think u will consume less than 5% battery. U should just charge the car every night to 80% so u wont have to rely on public dc charger unless u drive outstation
The IONITY experience sucked, but to say this is a true representation of living with an electric car on that experience alone is wildly inaccurate. Firstly, if you actually owned the Audi eTron, you would install a wall box charger at home, so you could charge the car to 80 - 100% overnight EVERY DAY if you needed to (you wouldn't). You'd then have around 200 to 250 miles of range EVERY DAY, which is vastly more than most people need on a daily basis. So you wouldn't need to visit a charging station unless doing a journey of over 200 to 250 miles. And while IONITY absolutely needs to install more chargers at its charging stations (just six is pitiful), there are other options (many EV satnavs will show you these, as will Google Maps and the A Better Route Planner app). You sure as hell wouldn't be using a granny charging plugged into the mains, which is sssuperrr slow.
If you own a £90k etron sportback as I do, you don’t charge on the granny cable at home, you install a proper charger that can give you the 50% charge you needed overnight at mostly 5p a KWh not 50p at an ionity charger.
What electricity company give you electric at 5p a kilowatt? Ok a few might give you cheap electric at night for about 4 hours but is there one that what gives you it all night.
@@talkthethings7376 I said “mostly” I’m on Octopus go and get 4 hours every night at 5p per KWh
@@talkthethings7376 what car and network you on?
I think you will find the charging rates are on the up
Truly petrolhead german cars lover lol :)
"Sound is missing in the EV car"... what else ? "smell missing? No fumes, no diesel smell? acceleration too fast? Nostalgia about oil change?
Aha, a Brexit voter speaking here. He went back to the medieval imperial measurement system which has 5280 feet in a mile (how many English gallons in a cubic mile?) which of course is MUCH EASIER than 1000 meters in a kilometer. Also, he complains about recharging but that may be England. In The Netherlands or Norway, one can charge anywhere any time without any problems. Perhaps this guy should have bought a Tesla and recharge at Tesla recharging stations.
It blows my mind the Germans didn't get together and create their own proper charging network. Ionity is sparse, expensive, and unreliable. The Tesla network is just incredible. My local supermarket has 20 x 200kW chargers and I've never seen one not working. Nuts.
Phillip.
Ride height adjustment on different modes is a waste of time. This thing is a big heavy lump, and you are not going around a race track on an English commute. It's just more unnecessary junk adding weight, wasting space and waiting to go wrong.
Look, at this stage in EV rollout, if you are not charging overnight at home or driving more than 200mi a day all the time, then you probably shouldn’t switch. Charging outside of home is going to be a work in progress. Heck, the gas infrastructure is 100-yrs in the making, it’s going to be a minute for EV infrastructure to catch up. Certainly not 100-yrs, but still in process. But if you can charge overnight at home and commute under 200 miles, it’s a huge money saver and you won’t really have any inconveniences. In that case, it’s already the perfect 2nd car for most families.
EV's are not the solution. They are 'a' solution, for some. We need alternative options. Look at what Toyota and JCB are doing! Toyota are experimenting right now with the Internal Combustion Engine. They're recycling it to run on clean green hydrogen fuel. They ran a converted Corolla that raced for 24 hours on liquid hydrogen at Fuji Raceway in 2021. JCB are pioneering commercial vehicle ICE engines in diggers, cranes, and trucks to run on hydrogen. If these clever companies can get governments to wake up and realise there are better alternatives to batteries - then green hydrogen and other solutions MUST be a part of our future.
£96K sounds like a lot of money for a posh VW and at that money I wouldn't want it to look like every other Audi and it does... The back end looks awful (subjective opinion I know) but then I'm no fan of the back of the X6 GT thing either. Love the technology on board and the joined up thinking in its application. Vehicle wise I don't want (or see any compelling need) to change what I currently do in order to accommodate an as yet under developed charging network. Personally the £96K would get me a very nice V8 Range Rover... For now.
Sorry but people like you shouldn’t be reviewing electric cars, and that’s coming from someone who still drives a diesel Jag!
You have a house that has a driveway, so until you install a 7kw charger at home, you shouldn’t be reviewing electric cars.
The vast majority of people will be doing journeys that will easily be served by the range of a Nissan Leaf, and if you charge at home, you’ll never have to visit ionity again.
That being said, the public charging network in this country is p*ss poor and quite frankly needs government intervention, but you shouldn’t be slating the ‘charging experience’ if you haven’t taken the time to install a proper charger at home, like the majority of EV owners have, who then don’t have the same charging issues you do, because they actually prepared for living with an EV.
Right now ... the VERY BEST option is hybrid vehicle technology until this EV circus show settles down to some standardization across auto makers ... otherwise it's akin to hunting for that fucking dongle that no longer supports your new iPhone. The EV market is all about eye candy without true long-term ecological considerations for the mining of rare earth elements, economic and political control around the access and distribution of RE elements, the disposition of billions of tons of batteries analogous to plastic waste dumping and a diminishing value proposition that seems to ignore OTHER fuel options (e.g. hydrogen). I see this as nothing more than capitalistic knee-jerking. Period!! 😑🚬
Really? Nothing wrong with electric cars... it is the network" Duh, it make the car worthless. Oh by the way, what happens during brownouts which ARE COMING.
Ive bought a 21 e-tron s sportback quattro , and by the way u can have the sound of a petrol engine in the car by setting up the media option through the app......also i charge mine at home at present ,.....and using normal single phase electric i get around 130 miles on charge from 9pm till around 7am the next day ....i had a range rover which i paid £77,000 new almost 4 years ago and put in about £550 month in diesel.....at present im on target for about £32 worth of electric using my home and also tescos free charging facility , even the 50kw one only takes about 40 mins to fully charge my car upto around 230 miles mark ( which is unexpectedly accurate as it differs on whos driving the car)...this charger costs about £5 to £7 to top my car up ....the lesser free tesco charging points take about 1 hour 40 mins ......( i hate shopping but if the wife goes she can easily stay in tescos that long ) lol, the point is use your home electric or im sure theres a tesco near just about everyone on the planet .