How to Make a Side by Side Layout with the ATEM Mini
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 มิ.ย. 2024
- In this tutorial I'll show you how to make a side by side layout to show two cameras on the screen for podcasts and interviews. This tutorial works with any ATEM Mini model, although it will be a bit easier to see what you're doing if you have the ATEM Mini Pro with Multiview.
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00:00 Intro
00:26 Video Sources
01:02 Creating the Layout
04:31 Creating a Macro
05:41 Save Your Work
06:18 Outro
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Wow, thank you! I was just wondering how to do this yesterday, so the timing is perfect. Brilliant as always 🙏
haha great timing!
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Thanks so much, you really help me out!
Perfect timing. I was just about to muddle through this on my own. I'd like to see more videos on how to use the keyers.
Thanks, man! Didn't even know about the "Save current state" option. Will save us alot of hazzle :D
Aaron, this was so useful I appreciate the tutorial. I am doing a live playback with 2 drummers and needed something just like this. Appreciate your explanation.
Thanks for the great information. Even though I had figured out the guts of this technique on my own, I still learned a couple of tricks that make my life easier with my ATEM Mini. I appreciate you.
Thanks. As usual lovely little tips & tricks video. And for the info as you mention it in your video: an "ATEM 2 M/E Production Studio 4K" for example, that has SuperSource is about $4000 … so that is what you safed some people here 😁 … unless you need more than 2 people on screen
EXACTLY what I've been looking for. The Mask bit was what I wasn't getting before. Thanks so much!
Thank you Aaron! That’s very helpful!
Great video. I love how concise you are.
Super Helpful. Just what I needed. THANK YOU
Nicely done, Aaron. Been using the ATEM Mini (original model) for basic functions. Looks like I need to get into the software. Thank you.
Great Video Aaron I knew how to do it from some of your other videos but this one will be one I share with my ATEM clients and friends as they learn and grow.
Perfect, thanks! I was totally over thinking it!
Thank you so much for this, have always wanted to learn how to do this
Very good like always Aaron.
Very sneaky! Love it! Thanks.
Awesome video Aaron, you explained it perfectly. I was wondering if the ATEM had the ability to crop....and now I know. Thanks so much!
Thank you very much. So helpful ✌🏼
Hats off to you sir! - we'll be sure to reference you in our broadcast credits :)
wonderful advice thanks!
Awsome work 🙌🏻
Thank you!! This is exactly what I needed... just got the Atem mini but was too intimidated to try to work out the settings through software. I really just wanted a *bigger* picture-in-picture, but can see how the side-by-side hack will be useful for live conversations. 🍻 .
Well, you can do any size (and different shape) Picture in Picture, just set it up as you want it, in the way Aaron does here :) Afaik, the premade PiP functions is using this same DVE and is probably more or less built in the same way as the macros.
wow - great video!
Thanks for this. I’d asked about this actually on Office Hour the other day. So glad you did the video. My ATEM Mini ISO arrives next week and it’s the first thing I’ll do.
Yeah! Thanks for that! I took some notes during that session and I have a couple videos lined up from it!
@@aaronpk Yeah, I get so many ideas from Office Hours. Looking forward to the other ideas showing up here. Just realized I’m answering from my other account, but it’s me again. ~ Steve
Awesome. Thank you sir!
Just has to say thank you!!!
very useful, as usual ;-) thank you !
Excellent!
Thank you!
You can also use the side-by-side button on the Extreme, where DVE1 and DVE2 control which sources appear on the two windows, using the Select Bus Buttons.
HDMI 1 and HDMI 2 are the default sources when dual picture in picture sources are enabled. DVE1 also controls the sources if a single PinP is selected.
Seeing this in Sept 2021 and it's saved my bacon - a client has been asking for exactly this, and then through a Zoom call...
Very helpful
Super video! I applauded for $5.00 👏👏
Thanks!
Very helpful video. You can do a similar thing in Zoom by spotlighting the two screens of interest. They both stay full width tho.
Love the atem mini extreme vid you did. Hopefully there was an update of the supersource on the atem mini pro. :)
Love it too if the form factor of the atem mini extreme was as small as the atem mini pro. Maybe a stack up atem mini pro. Like having two atem mini pro. One on top and one below. Making it the atem mini extreme.. and not a long one which is a bit hard to bring. Anyways. Thanks for this!
Really having a hard time learning all these with zoom, obs ,fb live and atem mini pro all together and incorporating it all at once..
Maybe having one atem mini extreme would be much better. Haha!!
Sling made splitting soo easy
SlingStudio was so good! There are a few things that have come close since then, mainly the YoloBox and the Mevo Multicam apps. Nobody has quite fully replicated everything SlingStudio could do though!
I spent 8-10 hours last week trying to recreate my OBS scenes into the ATEMs just to discover: ATEM Minis can only resize a single source on the screen! My main scene for my streaming’s is two people commenting over a shared browser window under an overlay :(
I managed to get it working, more or less, chaining two ATEM mini inputs: one combines background plus pip, the second adds the second pip over the combined input. Then I realized that I would need to set companion to change scenes on both ATEMs at the same time... If I tried to switch the combined output to the program view, it would enter into negative video loop and degrade vastly the image.
Your eCamm plus ATEM video was very useful in this regard, introducing the HDMI splitter. They are coming next week, and I think they will work nicely but so far... OBS streaming saved the day!
So my current plan is using the Mini Pro ISO to record my courses and solo programs and OBS for any other content involving other people. It’s not very simple/possible to get Twitch like layouts and transitions with the ATEM Minis!
Yeah that's definitely one of the limiting aspects of the ATEM Mini! You can definitely do it chaining two ATEM Minis together, and thankfully Companion can send commands to both at the same time. But doing that kind of layout with remote guests is a lot more flexible in software switchers for sure.
Good hack man!!!
Tkx
"Back in the day" this was accomplished using a wipe, and each person was framed to the sides of the shot -- one to the left, and the other to the right, and the wipe was stopped at 50%. Doing this, you don't use your key. The downside is that since the ATEM is only a 1ME switcher, it's tricky to go smoothly from a full-screen medium shot to the side-by-side. But, if you know the whole segment is going to be done this way, it could be setup in advance, shot and recorded. An advantage to this method is that you could use the keyer to overlay a full screen graphic with cutouts to make it look like a scaled two DVE move. In a 2ME (or 1.5ME) switcher, this could all be accomplished without any DVE involved as only simple luma keys would be needed.
Hi... Thanks for this Video.. it helped me a lot.... I also need to have a 4 cameras in a single pgm... in atem tv studio hd or atem mini pro
I use OBS to do this. I set up a properly scaled and positioned box of the guest in OBS superimposed over a background of my choice. I capture a Zoom window as a source in OBS to make the guest box. From here. I set the computer running OBS as an input on the ATEM. When I’m ready to bring up the guest, I bring up that input and place a similarly sized DVE box created on the ATEM next to the guest window on OBS. Several advantages to this technique. First, you can stay put in the frame, no need to move left or right. Second, you can be creative with the shape of the video boxes. Last but not least, your can put two boxes side by side and have an animated background on OBS.
It would be helpful if you could share a video walking us through the process to create this setup. The end result sounds like a worthwhile effort.
@@djrmpcanadaI’ll work on that and add a link on this thread.
Aaron, Awesome video! I'm trying to use an ATEM Mini Extreme to create this exact setup. However, one camera would have a green screen and I'd like a chroma key'd background behind that camera. Is there anyway to set this up in addition to a chroma key'd background behind one camera?
Hi Aaron. That was interesting. When you do tutorials like this could you share the relevant XML for the macro?
And did you find that macro reference document you mentioned last week?
Yes! Aaron, can you provide the XML created with this process?
Is that possible?
Nice video. I want to match two colors on the different cameras and I'll try to use a split screen to view the outputs of the Sony A7C and A7S2. I hope successful.
I have viewed several of your videos recently. i enjoy your presentation style. I'm having a heck of a time trying to generate lower thirds in Photoshop for the ATEM Mini Pro. Every time I transfer them to the Media pool, they appear with a white background when I use them with the DSK function. Photoshop is not on the same computer as the ATEM, so I can't use the easy way to get them into the AMP. I think I'm missing something, or it doesn't work the same when you transfer them manually into the Media pool via USB stick. Would love to see a step-by-step video on creating, transferring and displaying static lower thirds using Photoshop and the AMP.
Thanks for this feature with the ATEM Mini, I am trying to figure out how you utilize Zoom and bring a remote guest in same box. I can follow the steps on how to create the Macro but not fully understanding how to place the remote guest and myself in the same box. Not sure if I was clear.
This was very helpful. This worked perfect on an old ATEM Mini but on a new one the DVE tab wouldn't allow me to click into it, but I hope to understand why soon.
If your "Transition Style" is set to DVE then you can't use the DVE for the upstream key. Try changing the "Transition Style" to "Mix" or something else. Is that it?
Great video thanks, but it now saved all my picture in picture set ups to the new side by side size!
There isn't really the concept of "saving" layouts, the USK is just set to something, and there is only one USK. If you want to have different layouts you can quickly change between, you can make a macro to set all the properties of the USK for each layout
Hi Aaron, do i have to create two macros for two inputs?
Hey just curious what light are you using to light your wall in the back? thanks
Was EXACTLY what I looking for. Thanks! =) But is it possible to safe this funktion to a specific button on the atem, or is it only available in the Software?
So the way that works in the ATEM is you can save these steps as a macro, and then run the macro to recreate it. On the Atem Mini Extreme there are 8 macro buttons, so you can save it to macro 2 and then press button 2 to run it. There's no buttons on the Mini tho. The other option is to run the macro from an external controller like Companion
What software do you use for the lower third when doing split screen? Thanks
Question please. Great video above. I capture through the lens in vertical format for portrait sessions with a landscape BTS at the same time. Can I rotate the vertical feed in the ATM Mini Pro software so it’s in the correct viewing angle during recordings? Thank you in advance. I did see from your above video rotation but it was blacked out.
Thanks! Unfortunately there's no way to rotate video in this ATEM Mini.
@@aaronpk thank you for replying. Happy 2021.
Is it possible to connect 2 cameras to the ATEM Mini and have them as separated sources on Streamlabs OBS to make a split screen with those 2 cameras?
Thanks for your excellent presentation. Can help me: Atem Mini Pro pic in pic works from input one on Atem, as soon as I cut or dissolve to the other cameras (inputs 2, 3 & 4) the pic in picture disappears, I want the picture and picture show on all the inputs?
Check the "ATEM Setup" app (not the ATEM Software Control app, yes it's confusing). There's a setting there that changes whether the upstream key remains on air when changing camera angles with the buttons!
Hello! Good tutorial, I have a question, once you save the settings, it is possible work just with the Atem mini pro without using the computer to turn on that macro? Is there a button in the atem that can do that? Thanks in advance.
There's no button on the ATEM Mini for that, but the ATEM Mini Extreme has Macro buttons. The other option is to connect a Stream Deck to a Raspberry Pi and use that to control everything, which is a lot nicer than using a computer.
Thank you for the response! nice video!@@aaronpk
Hi, i have a problem with the pixel quality if i stram the display from my ipad pro with atem mini in Zoom Meeting. I’m online teacher. Do you kkow why? How you got an idea?
Aaron do you have a video for how you set up that awesome 10 part sectional screen shown around 40 seconds?
That's just the multiview out of the ATEM Mini Pro!
@@aaronpk oh man I feel a need forming!
can u show how to do a side by side along with the chat window pop up.. thanks Great work bud
You could follow Aaron's steps for the side by side, then utilise the Downstream Keyer to overlay a chat input from a computer. H2R graphics can generate this input for you.
Buen día, esta función está disponible para realizar con el SWITCHER ATEM STUDIO TV ?
Yes it should work with the TV Studio version as well!
Hello Aaron! I hope it's ok I reach out via comments here.
I am working with Atem and I have no wifi here in the floor. I have good 5g phone. I chose "mobile" over "Wifi" in ATEM softwarte control with a synology router. It doesn't recognize it. Do you have any idea what can I do about it?
A nice, but a bit complicated way, doing this by DVE.
The easier way: One person sitting left, the other right and a simple 50% vertical wipe will do the job.
That's the way we've done it many years ago, when video was analog and we had no DVE.
Or, if you combine wipe and key, you can put 3 persons side by side.
Or, if you have 4 persons additional use the DSK with Mask. You can place them side by side, or quad.
Each one has only to sit in the right slot. But unfotunality you will then not be able to put lower thirds in.
That works too, but then you lose the ability to use transitions for other things like switching to other angles or bringing in graphics with the downstream key on transitions. Also it's more awkward to tell your guest to sit over to the side of their frame.
Shure, you loose transition at that time, but you can use the DVE for something else.
Switching to other angles can still be done by macros, graphics can still be brought in using DSK-auto oder DSK-onair.
Oh yes, it depends on how companionable your gests are.
Is there a way to cut the screen into 4 pieces and show all 4 inputs simultaneously in like a 2x2 grid.
Doing some esport gaming and it would be handy with the mini I’m about to buy to be able to do that so I can show 4 competitors but switch over to just one if something super cool happens with one of them.
The small ATEM Mini can't do that, but the ATEM Mini Extreme can! That's the "SuperSource" feature in the Extreme version.
@@aaronpk Gotcha, out of my price range, but I just bought the regular Mini.... of course using your link :)
Any way to do side by side full picture i.e. full images of both sources but scaled down so that they have the full picture of both sources in a letterbox format. Easy to do in software such as ecamm but can you do it with the ATME mini alone?
Unfortunately not, only one video source can be scaled in the ATEM Mini. The larger ATEMs have what’s called “Super Source” which can do what you’re describing.
Alternatively you can use the wipe transition, minimize feathering and set it to 50 percent via the T-Bar. Then - and here I am not totally sure anymore - you could use either the Up- or Downstream Key, to get a third feed into the image. But it was kind of fiddly as I remember - it‘s some months ago since I’ve tried.
It's very fiddly, and you then lose the ability to do transitions between other scenes, so I definitely don't recommend it. You're like the third person to comment this though so I might need to make a video explaining how to do it and why you shouldn't 😅
@@aaronpk But by using a macro I do not see that big of a problem. Except you ultimatly need transitions for this scene. And you still can layover a graphic. But yeah, with the USK you have more options, even with color correction and some transition effects.
so i guess a question i have is , HOW are you getting this video readout on your monitor?
Has there been an update by any chance on this that you could put multiple people up together?
The 4-input ATEM Mini doesn't have the hardware internally to do that, but the larger ATEM Mini Extreme Models do! It's called "SuperSource" if you want to search around for videos about it.
Actually it is possible to move the main frame.
See here an example:
th-cam.com/video/5O3NvUHNoGQ/w-d-xo.html
What we did is set the slide transition and move it halfway and than overlay the up- or downstream key with another source.
Yeah I know, I just refuse to acknowledge this solution because it feels like a hack 😆
Master Aaron,
How can I do vertical video with the atem mini? I want to target mobile audiences
2:33 Brother, tell me why the settings item "Rotation" is not active? I want to set the second camera in portrait mode. How do I rotate the camera?
Unfortunately there's not really an easy solution for this. The rotation feature is only on the older 4K ATEMs (which start at $2700). www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/atem
I am wanting to host a zoom meeting with several participants and I want to go from a single camera angle showing my face (standard view) to showing a side by side view like you display in this video and then back again to a single camera (my face). Can the ATEM mini do this? If so, how?
The small ATEM Minis can sort of do this, but as I described in this video, you have to sit off to the side of the picture since you can only scale and crop one other input. The ATEM Mini Extremes have the "SuperSource" feature which lets you properly scale and crop up to 4 different sources. Check out some of my past livestreams for examples of what you can do with SuperSource aaronpk.tv/timestamps/#supersource
For understanding the Keyers: Downstreamkeyer is manipulating 1 selectable source coming into the ATEM, the Upstreamkeyer is manipulating the program output?
Think about it this way: Upstream can change position, scale, and mask (if in DVE). It also has Luma, Chroma, and pattern keys.
Downstream is above above the other keys and can't be repositioned. It can be masked however, and is only keyed by the black in the feed (or transparency in the media player). The dsk is basically a Luma key.
The order of the layers from top to bottom is:
Downstream Keys
Upstream Keys
Program source
Hope that makes sense. Doug Johnson made a good video on keys. Check that one out.
@@micahwagoner6114 Thx a lot :)
I'm already use them all, but understanding what they do, makes it more usefull.
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What do you think of doing this with a supersource combined with a macro? That way you can adjust your own camera position and cropping so that you don't have to move over physically.
Definitely a good option! I made this video before the ATEM Mini Extreme launched, so SuperSource wasn't an option!
@@aaronpk Oh ok. 👍👌
How did you make your multiview part of the streaming set up? How to record the multiview?
You'd need to run the HDMI out back in to one of the inputs to record it, or use two separate ATEM Minis.
@@aaronpk Thank you!
I have 1 atem (mini extreme pro iso) - My multiview is on an hdmi monitor. Should I run an extra hdmi to one of the inputs and it should work (+ network cable?) or did you mean something else? Or I should recomfigure something in the software? Thank you!!
@@daniellekaganov1237 Since you have two HDMI outputs on the Extreme, you can keep one for your monitor and run the other output into one of the inputs with a short HDMI cable.
@@aaronpk Thank you, it worked! In case I want another monitor on the same space that shows the program also, can an HDMI spliter help me? Or is there another way of making the Multuview an input?
@@daniellekaganov1237 You can get only two different HDMI outputs from the Extreme. You could hook up an HDMI splitter to run one copy of the multiview to your monitor and another copy back into the ATEM, freeing up the second HDMI port for your program monitor. If you have any trouble with that, try with a few different splitters, because some of them are finicky with different monitors and such.
Nice but how you add guest, Can you teach me this?
You could pull up Zoom or a Google Meet on a device. Place it in full screen, and connect it to an ATEM switcher.
How to create a game scoring graphics and add it in the Atem mini?
Check out H2R Graphics for that! heretorecord.com/graphics/
@@aaronpk thanks
Be aware that you cannot use the ATEM mini with Big Sur yet. Also he is using the pro, you will not have this multi view option.
I actually recorded this tutorial on Bug Sur! What isn't working for you about Big Sur yet?
And yes the base model doesn't have multiview but you can still create this layout anyway.
@@aaronpk I order an ATEM mini about a week ago and when I set up everything, the device didn’t pick up on any of my platforms. I wasn’t able to see the tabs you’re using or anything. It got to the point where I spent hours on the phone with Blackmagic Design support and they told me it was because I had Big Sur and they hadn’t made updates. So I returned and now waiting for them to make that update so I can order the pro. But now you have me thinking that wasn’t the case and I may have had a faulty ATEM 🤔
That's very strange! I'm even using it on Big Sur on the new M1 chip and it works fine!
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