The fact that hermoine is the one that was in the lake for Krumm is quite sad… they didn’t even know each other very well. Victor probably has a really sad life
To be fair he was a world famous athlete at the age of 16/17. So yeah, I imagine his life would be very isolating between constant quidditch training and trying to parse out who is trying to get close to him for his fame vs for him
I’m thinking that the person they took had to be at Hogwarts. Maybe he has people he loves at home but they’re not going to go all the way to Bulgaria to take someone for the triwizard cup.
They killed Ginny's character in the movies. She was not anything I had imagined her to be. Bonnie Wright was perfect for Ginny's actress. I just wish they had given her more justice.
Really? I didn't see a difference between Ginny in books and movies. I didn't pay attention to her. She was a background character for me. Like she's there but oh well. So I was surprised when she got together with Harry. Unless she did something major. I know what she did like with magic, boyfriends, Ron's little sister and chamber of secrets. Maybe she was a major character. Maybe she even was silent help in trio. I have a big problem when she said that Harry would never be happy if he won't hunt Voldemort. Its not like he could have walked away from this.
@@klaudiagrob In the books she was charismatic, fun, confident, like a younger female version of fred and goerge (just not a prankster). She has many great quotes, jokes and is in many scenes. In the movies she is awkward, quiet, and just awful to watch. Thye killed her character.
Ginny in the books basically live by her quote "living with fred and George you start to think anything's possible if you've got enough nerve Ginny in the movie is basically never there only becomes Important in the 6 movie and is really awkward Ginny was such an amazing witch in the books and the movies kinda made her this 2 dimensional love interest who doesnt do much half the time Unrelated but I also hate what they did to Ron
In all honesty, I think one of the biggest reasons we see such a strong case for Harry and Hermione as a couple (which is called Harmony in the fandom, btw. Yes I'm one of them) is less to do with the (checks timestamp) 17+ minutes of extremely obvious chemistry they have, though that is something that's hard to ignore, and more that Rowling seems to fall strongly in favor of the "Bicker with your Crush" school of romantic thought. Harry and Ginny's awkward, somewhat stunted relationship aside, there's no other easy way to explain Ron and Hermione's budding romance while maintaining any semblance of internally-consistent logic without having to resort to explaining all their bickering and fighting and general mutual abrasion by any other means. It's either that they secretly have a crush on each other the whole time... or they're just extremely incompatible and yet somehow end up together with multiple kids. The problem with this is that I think the mindset of bickering with a crush because said person is just so hyper-focused on them that every little misstep is blown out of proportion (and thus the end result of that is bickering and arguing) is actually not all that representative of how real relationships work, but is *especially* pervasive in fiction and fantasy. We even see it pop up in the Pokemon anime with Ash and Misty, even though they're not all that close in age and nothing ever actually comes of it. People nevertheless seem to think that two friends bickering constantly and picking on each other is a *clear sign* that they're secretly pining after one another, which just doesn't seem to hold up all that often in the real world. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it would certainly explain why there are so many people contrasting that relationship in particular with the hypothetical Harmony ship. The argument isn't even that hard to make: Ron and Hermione bicker constantly, have almost polar opposite interests, treat academics (something we know is absolutely *integral* to Hermione's self-identity) in completely opposite ways, and in general just seem to largely be friends with each other because of their mutual friendship with Harry. Ron, it seems, was perfectly capable of dismissing Hermione as a know-it-all bookworm until he *literally went through a life-or-death situation with her*, after which he almost begrudgingly accepts her as a friend once she *takes the blame for the entire troll situation despite it having nothing to do with her*. Remember, she didn't go seek out the troll, she was crying in the bathroom completely unaware of the troll *because Ron hurt her feelings so badly that she skipped dinner*. Simply the fact that the above isn't present in Harry's relationship with her speaks volumes to the quality of the potential romance between them. I wouldn't be surprised if people simply couldn't accept that Ron and Hermione would *ever* work out romantically, and thus the next most obvious thing is the surprisingly well-supported Harmony ship. You don't need to look all that hard to find example after example of ways in which Harry and Hermione work well together, and suddenly it seems kind of strange that Hermione ended up with *anybody* else. To get back to the initial point about Hermione and Ron being written more from Rowling's perspective of "bicker with your crush", the overall point here is that it isn't as much that Harry and Hermione just have *that strong* of a case going for the two of them getting romantically involved, but rather that in an effort to try and foreshadow Ron and Hermione's mutual feelings for each other, Rowling inadvertently created an extremely polarizing relationship: Either the reader is completely on board with the bickering-means-romantic-feelings explanation and successfully views it as foreshadowing of the eventual romantic payoff in the last two books, OR the reader sees it as a litany of incompatibilities that might eventually bleed into the romance, and then the fact that they start spiraling into a romance with each other seems like a last-minute out-of-nowhere addition for sake of subverting the "Hero gets the girl" trope. Basically TL;DR it's not so much that Harry and Hermione are so compatible, but rather that you either agree with Rowling presenting Ron and Hermione as a bickering-means-feelings relationship OR you see it as a strong counterexample to their romantic compatibility and Harry/Hermione is the next best thing.
@@JordanDelp Wow yeah I don't remember writing all this. TLDR is that the fandom probably didn't go for Harry and Hermione so much because they're so compatible, there's lots of examples in the books of their incompatibilities, but because if you already don't buy into Ron and Hermione nor Harry and Ginny because of their other incompatibilities, it's sort of the next most obvious option. Once you're there, of course, you find that they actually do have a lot of good complementary traits, but that's sort of a perk rather than the point a lot of the time.
@@robertsteffler5155I liked it, it was a very good analysis and breakdown. I do think it's worth mentioning that each time Ron leaves the group (mad at Harry in book 4, storms out book 7), the loss is extremely felt. Harry mentions in book 4 that he likes Hermione very much, but she's just not as good company as Ron. "Spend a lot less time laughing and a lot more time in the library." There are many nights where they barely talk to each other in book 7, depressed at Ron's absence. Ron and Hermione "bicker" a lot, but they both seem to enjoy picking each other's brains. It's Harry that doesn't like the constant debating.
Bonnie Wright is such an amazing person and she did what she could, but the directors have CONSISTENTLY taken away from other characters in order to boost up Hermione. I love her, but they made her wayyyyy too perfect in the movies and took a lot away from both Ron and especially Ginny.
it real sad even the movie Kloves didnt write for which was OotP the book where ginny has her coming out party and really comes into her own they took all of her bright moments away and just cut them instead giving her very little other then her skill with reducto
In regards to the Christmas gift thing, ron giving hermuonie perfume was supposed to symbolize him seeing her as a girl, instead of just a friend like harry does.
Exactly! I always thought it was cute- like he suddenly didn’t know what to get her because he wanted to get her something nice but was just oblivious.
Doesn't do him any favors. Felt that showed that he doesn't even know Hermione herself well enough to get her something she actually likes. Meanwhile Harry got her something he knows she'd like.
Here’s the thing. I have a similar friendship with two guys. The one I’m not secretly in love with, I am freely affectionate and tell him I love him (as a friend). We vibe well and get along perfectly. The one I AM secretly in love with I am not as quick to embrace him and we also mock each other often; sometimes brutally. So, I think that might be human nature?
I was thinking about this too. I'd say people are projecting by nature, so e.g. when they hug someone who they don't secretly crush on, they don't give it a second thought (because friends hug each other so just showing affection). When it is someone they do have a crush on, it's always wondering 'Did I hug them too quickly, for too long, is it obvious how I really feel etc'. They're more guarded with their emotions because they're hiding how they feel. At least that's my experience :D
Book 3 sealed it for me, when Harry and Hermione were such a great team. She was the brains, he was the instinct. Their strengths perfectly compliment each other. On the other hand, the movies played Ron all wrong. To fix the Ron/Hermione problem you need to play Rom with, what I would call, the Weasley Swagger. I think Ron would be one of those guys who had an effortless charm that girls love, kind of a Han Solo. Give him some of the Ginny attitude of “anything is possible if you’ve got enough nerve.” I think a guy like that would be a match for Hermione. It rounds out the golden trio better too. Hermione is brains, Harry is instinct and Ron is confidence. They all compliment each other. Ron could still have those moments of self doubt, covered by a joking tough guy exterior. I don’t know if I’ve explained it clearly enough here, but it would work.
Ron is like that in the books he's nit very confident but he's the bravest and the truest griffindor and is always the first perisn to jump to protect his freidns he throws an aligigator heart at malfoy for making fun if harry and says if u want to kill harry u have to kill us too and pulls out his wand or physically attacks malfoy every book for insulting hemrione and harry feels much more open to telling ron his problems then hermiones because ron would reason with him instead of fault him be calm about it and not panic just like when harry had visions of voldemort he wouldn't tell hemrione cos she'd badger him about occlumency and harry doesn't have the patience to deal with hemriones nagging and would burst within second and when hemrione does nag its always ron to tell her to drop it cos he understands harry had enough and hemrione almost like a mother and father
For the movies: Harry and Hermione For the books: Ron and Hermione In the books, Harry was kinda mean in his inner thoughts when it would be just him and Hermione. Like how he appreciates Hermione's friendship but there were more laughing moments with Ron, but with Hermione it was more quiet and study times with her. There was definitely a favorite friend thing going on
@@madelinegutierrez1720 It is specifically stated in the books that he loved Hermione (but not in a romantic way), but she wasn't nearly in the same league as his best friend, Ron.
When I was reading the books for the first time, I was waiting for Harry and Hermione to be together only to be utterly disappointed in Harry’s girlfriend choice. IT WAS LEADING UP TO THE MOMENT SO WELL!!!!!!!!!!
Harry and Ginny. Book 1-Ginny is still just a little girl and cries 2- Ginny has a crush on Harry 3-Ginny still has a crush on Harry 4-Ginny and Harry spend a short time together at the quidditch cup but don't speak much. Harry likes Cho, Ginny probably would have either seen it for herself or spoken to Hermione about it. 5- Harry falls flat on his face with Cho and Ginny starts to date other guys and finally starts to speak to Harry as they hang out more (Harry takes note), Harry also takes note of the power and talent Ginny has compared with other girls, the fact that she comes with them to the order of phoenix. 6- Harry spends ALOT of time with Ginny in the summer and notices how easy, funny and pretty Ginny has become. Harry then notices all the girls that are after him purely for fake often shallow reasons and becomes understands the full implications of a love potion. Ginny and him go to Slughorn's parties and he just enjoys her company. So to see Ginny with another man (much like Ron) forces him to be confronted with his feelings for Ginny. Because, up until then, he had kind of taken her for granted and had been slowly getting to know her as she became more confident talking to him and getting to know him in return. Also, Ginny has become popular, pretty and powerful all on her own, something Harry finds attractive in women (Cho case in point who is both very popular and pretty) Ginny is a talented quiddich player, so they shared that in common, Harry spends even more time with her at school and sees how awesome a player she actually is. Harry, (thanks to hermione) has grown accustomed to independent, strong and powerful women! AND she shares the same interests as him! So, she stops being "some girl who used to have a crush on him" to being an awesome witch who sees Harry for who he is. Unlike all the other fake girls who just want the fame. Finally, its no coincidence that Ginny has red hair. Of course she could have been blonde or brunnette etc., but her having Red hair sealed the deal for me. She reminds him of his mother and there is nothing wrong with that. Harry never states that, but he does find the red hair an extra attractive, quality that probably reminds him of his ma and also that his own father was attracted to red heads. But all in all its clear that Harry falsl for Ginny for all the reasons mentioned above. 7-Ginny admits that she never really stopped liking him. For a while it seemed like it was never going to happen, harry was too popular and she couldn't even speak to him whilst meanwhile he was fawning over another even prettier girl Cho. But she alwyas stuck up for Harry, fought alongside him and believed in him. She even fought Hermione (her bf) in the 5th book when Harry gets kicked off the team! And again Harry takes note of this. But most of all, she knows Harry because of all the time they spent together at the Burrow growing up. And when a guy saves your life and then teaches you how to defend yourself you never forget that. So, when Harry kisses her I bet she was both surprised and elated that something she probably dreamt about, finally happened and they go off to talk things through instead of celebrate in Griffindor's tower. She is calm, she rarely cries, she is funny and capable -and Harry loves her for all of those reasons, so when he leaves her, he knows that for her to NOT cling on to him and keep him with her, even though it would have broken her heart, shows just how much she loves him and knows him to let him go. And she is ofc rewarded for her efforts when he does return for her after the battle. So yeah these are the things I noticed when I deliberately looked for them from book 4 on. Bonus-Even though Harry leaves with Ron and Hermione, she never gets jealous like Cho because she understands that Harry doesn't have feelings for Hermione and she trusts them both.
1. Grey’s Anatomy has been good for one thing at least: your person doesn’t have to be your romantic partner. You can be super close with someone and not be in love him/her/them. You can admire them without romantic feelings. You might even click with them more than with your significant other. 2. Ron and Hermione have passion, their bickering, the slow burn of their relationship. There is fire. They challenge each other in a way that Harry and Hermione just don’t. They might drive each other mental sometimes but they grow through that. I think for every argument Ben‘s made here there is just as much to find for Ron and Hermione.
FINALLY someone who sees it almost exactly like I do. There are so many instances in the books where the two are arguing about something, but they enjoy it. They have fun debating, because in the books Ron is actually intelligent (Wizard Chess) and can debate with Hermione on an equal level. It's just a different form of intelligence.
@@garrondumont7891 So true. We don't even hear the vast majority of the arguments because Harry hates arguing and tunes out from them. Harry and Hermione would be terrible together as Harry would either avoid or lie to Hermione (as he did in the books) whenever he thought an argument was coming. They would never work anything out and wouldn't last more than a couple of months tops.
I don’t know if I agree with that... I mean, in GoF when Harry goes through that time period where him and Ron aren’t speaking, he acknowledges that he thinks hanging out with Hermione is okay, but he really mostly just misses Ron. And when Ron left in the Deathly Hallows, it was awkward as well.
Who are you going to be more frustrated with when they fail to notice you: the person you care about romantically or the person you care about platonically?
Harry and Hermoine in the books have a really good friendship, this can be seen many times like when Rita skeeter is writing recklessly about them being together but still none of them blushed even slightly at the Idea,because they always see each other as Brother and Sister ,As Harry later revealed in the Deathly Hallows. Moreover the book Ginny is everything Harry wants,funny,smart,savage,and good at Quidditch too. But Book Hermoine is sometimes too abide by rules and is often Annoying Harry. But when it comes to the Movies they literally destined to be together, because the Steve Kloves just wasted Ginny and Ron's actual charecters. They were more like nothing except for being there and that's why Harry's sudden Attention to Ginny seem a lot more inappropriate
And after seeing the reunion where Emma admitted around the 4th movie she wanted to quit, it makes me think did they purposely push this romance tension, and have her as second lead to keep her around? Because from this point onwards Harry's friendship with Ron is completely unexplored, his love interests might as well not exist and even his friendship with people like Hagrid suffer. Hermione is portrayed as his 'best friend' and the his go to support when this was never her role in the books. It was Rons.
@@sarad2659 Not that Harry's friendship with Ron was well explored in the books either past GoF. He's almost missing for large chunks of OotP, and without the romantic plot, he basically wouldn't be in HBP at all. JKR apparently almost killed off Ron in HBP, and I can see why; it would've made him a meaningful character again in a series where he seemed to be becoming less and less important. But instead he lived, and the Seventh book did a lot of work to reaffirm his place in the trio before the series ended, and did pretty well overall. Oh, and Hermione definitely was as important a support for Harry as Ron, even in the books. Just in a very different sort of way. Ron handled the stress and the commiseration, and Hermione handled the self doubt and cut through confusion.
Honestly I would flat out ignore the movies when it comes to Ginny. They had a habit of ignoring the existence of any characters that weren't immediately story relevant so a lot of Ginny's better moments went unnoticed. In Order of the Pheonix, book Harry even forgot they didn't hang out together at Hogwarts because he'd spent so much time with her in Grimmauld Place, but in the movie Ginny was barely a character outside of Chamber of Secrets and Harry's dawning realisation that he liked her. Almost all of the Weasleys were snubbed actually. Aside from Fred and George, they were either mischaracterised or given little to no screen time. So yeah, it makes sense that movie influence would make Harmione sound better.
Was her contribution really that major? I mean I read the books and watched movies but she was always a background character for me. Like she's there but what else. Maybe I missed something and she even was silent help to the trio. Like so many times. How could Harry have managed without her. I was surprised when I read in book 6 that Harry is interested in her. I didn't consider their interactions as romantic.Ok let's not exaggerate.
Well to be fair, in the movie, you do hear a crunch when Harry bites into the "Mince Pie/Cookie", which means that whoever the director for Half-Blood Prince was, clearly never ate a mince pie in his life.
@@macgyver42563 What are you talking about? Never ate beetle-mince pie? It's crunchy and tastes like socks but it pairs so nicely with awkward romance and hot bean juice!
While I do support Ginny and Harry ending up together in the end, one thing that I think made Hermoine and Harry closer is that Hermoine was a muggle born who was a very gifted witch just like Lily., who Harry constantly thinks about.
You’re just forgetting one thing: they’ve been like brother and sister since year one. Their relationship doesn’t change, it just evolves in the same essence. On the other hand, Hermione and Ron kinda have to figure out what they mean to each other. Their relationship grows and changes. In the 2 first books, they were too young to think about each other, or anyone for that matter, in a romantic way. Buuuut when they actually start growing up and becoming teenagers, Ron and Hermione instantaneously start meaning something else to one another, something more, they simply don’t know how to deal with it, specially with everything that’s going on with Harry, who was the elo that connected the trio for the first couple of years. We can see it very clearly with Ron’s jealousy and Hermione referring not going to the winter ball.
Ron even in book 2 defended Hermione many times and got detection because of it. Harry never defended her like that. There were small hints since that book that they like each other. On other hand. Harry and Hermione would never work. They are too different. Even Harry said that hanging with Hermione was not that great with out Ron. Hermione is also like policeman /teacher, way to strict and all about rules and time table, do and donts. Harry got enough of that/prison at his aunt.
I actually think the whole thing is rather ironic. Having the male/female leads be romantically involved is a huge trope, to the point that often it is treated as such a given and writers completely forget to develop the lead relationship, making it ends up feeling really random or forced. Ironically, because Harry and Hermione have a completely platonic relationship, it is really well developed and people just decide they should be a couple. Really though, Harry x Ron would make exactly as much sense as Harry x Hermione; that is to say they in no way appear to be romantically interested in each other. Frankly, having the straight m/f leads not be involved romantically is kind of unusual and HxHr ship just ruins that. I will agree though that those Harry x Ginny moments in the movies are super awkward and are probably ruining your perception. Most of the development is in Harry's head which is a classic adaptation pitfall.
@@overlorde7526 I see Harry/Hermione more as siblings then anything actually romantic, never got the romance vibes in the books, the movies though? It was obvious there were huge Harry/Hermione shippers directing the movies.
As Bill and Fleur made their vows to each other at their wedding, Hermione and Harry looked at each other. When Hermione was petrified, Ron said: "it's only Hermione" when Harry was freaking out. "friendship, bravery and-" Hermione told Harry this before he left to fight Quirrell, maybe dying before abruptly cutting herself off. I gave an example in book 4 and in book 6, the big one, *DUMBLEDORE*! It is a fact that teachers can tell if students are crushing on each other. Even a muggle, let alone *THE WISEST AND POWERFUL WIZARD OF HIS TIME, SOMEONE EVEN VOLDEMORT FEARED, could tell there was something going on.
Ive always felt like Harry & Hermione have sibling like energy. Like best best friends but never romantic. I don’t think they balance each other as a couple, it makes sense they don’t end up together. Ginny and Ron were just written poorly in the movies. Edit: Hermione and Victor could have become such a bamf power couple js
I agree with OC also Ginny was the best in DA. Like she was feisty, powerful and intelligent. She never really showed insecurities. Seems more of a power couple with Harry. She also became a professional quiddich player. Also Harry really only had two friends. Dating one of them is a terrible gamble especially when Ron is so prone to icing people. Hermione never had a shot. Lastly, I think Hermione was flirty by being intense to Ron. Woman tend to try to improve the guy they're with. So that feels more of a relationship. She might even be angry that she likes him in spite of his flaws. Making her mean to him to try to stop those feelings. That's my take on it anyway.
Idk. Harry and Hermione are way closer than I am to my sibling, but maybe shared near death experiences will do that? Either way, I think Ginny was poorly written in the books and the movies. The interest is almost entirely one sided and the pair know practically nothing about each other and spend very little time together in a 7 book series. As for the balance, well Ron and Hermione are a good match, but I have to agree with Ben in that Harry and Hermione are just a bit better. Hermione is the book smarts and strategy/planning to Harry's raw talent and quick thinking/action. Harry usually sees the bigger picture, connecting the dots on the grand scale, while Hermione fills him in on the subtleties and emotional beats he's missing. They share a similar outlook on life and relationships in that they are fiercely loyal and do not abandon each other. Harry and Hermione fight, but Hermione never really leaves Harry like Ron does, and vice versa. The two regularly trade off being the middle/peacemaker of the trio. For the outlook on life part, not only are they both muggleborns and are grounded in a way that Ron is not, they are also loyal and selfless in a way that Ron is not--no offense to Ron. The only thing missing from their relationship, really, is Harry's feelings for Hermione, because I do think you can call some of Hermione's early affection for Harry a crush. That said, I also feel Harry's feelings for Ginny are also missing. That relationship is 90% indifference and 10% "the girl who idolized me and stalked me for 6 years is dating someone else and idk how to feel about it." There are definitely instances between Harry and Hermione where some scenes could have turned into more, but Hermione and Ron became a thing very early and Harry would never go after someone Ron liked. In short, Ron was the best friend, good to have around if Harry needed cheering up/wanted to have fun. Hermione, though, was always the last one standing by his side, who always had his back, always believed in him, and pushed him to keep going. Honestly, they both pushed each other to be better people. Harry pushed Hermione to leave the library and the textbooks, to be bolder and braver; Hermione pushed Harry to be smarter and to open up to other people, and gave him the support he needed to keep standing for what he believed in. I can't really say Ron does the same for either of the two (though he does more for Hermione than for Harry), but it's been a while since I read the books.
Im very glad that Harry and Hermione didn't end up together because their friendship felt very pure to me, but I def think that Ron and Hermione weren't it. I liked Harry and book Ginny together, because you got Ginny as a full character starting book 4. But Ron and Hermione wasn't it.
@@icefier1433 You mean like the whole arc where Ron is trying to control her love life and she gets angry and stuff? Nevermind her being at the forefront of conversations with the DA and other important moments from OotP onwards.
You seem to overlook one important point. When Harry kisses Ginny in the common room in The Half Blood Prince, Hermione is beaming! Now isn't that a pretty strange reaction from Hermione, if she has feelings for Harry.
@@timscarrott8919 Overall yes, but if you're directly confronted with the person you like being in a relationship with another person, I would doubt that you are beaming.
I feel like most realitically Harry would've found a nice muggle girl who doesn’t know who he is and could therefore be his safe haven away from the past and the publicity
That's like James Bond finding a nice plain woman to settle down with-things are always gonna come up and probably expose both of them and possibly put their lovers in danger.
My first thought when reading the books put Harry with Luna. She’s calm and genuine, and he admires her. Also, Harry is competitive, and Luna’s ‘style’ and views regarding magic are so different that there is no reasonable comparison to his.
Exactly!! The books never hinted on a romantic relationship between Harry and Hermione, but there were subtle hints between Ron and Hermione. Harry and Hermione always had a brother/sister bond. The Harry/Hermione shippers just want to follow the silly trope of the lead getting the girl in a friendship trio. You could even see the subtle love blooming between Harry and Ginny in the books where Ginny had much more character and life. Could never see the angle where Harry/Hermione could ever be a couple other than siblings 🤮
Ugh i kinda hate that everyone seems to go with that brother/sister thing. I have to ask is it because they're only children you go to that? Genuinely curious. Because i'm an only child and that's always bugged me that people go there. Just because we have no siblings doesnt mean we ever find friends that feel that way to us or want to for that matter. Im happy not having siblings most of the time lol. Meant it was quiet growing up lol. I have best friends who are men but never will any be like a brother. Im sorry if thats not what you meant its just always bugged me. And i love the harmony ship by the way, its my favorite one lol. For me their friendship is like how my relationship is with my husband and i love it very much. Its why i always find it weird people put that in a brother/sister category with them.
@@katew8129 We aren't exactly saying that they're like siblings, though it can be seen that way. We're saying that they have a *platonic relationship*, referring to their friendship.
This is more so Hermione having a small crush on Harry, unfortunately Harry was never interested in Hermione. This was especially obvious in book 4. Harry enjoys Hermione more when its the three of them together but when Ron breaks away and it’s just Harry and Hermione he’s not as happy and he’s bored around her. A lot of these arguments were from the movies not the books.
You sound like one of those who undermine Harry and Hermione relationship. Canon shippers do that. No matter if it's friendship, relationship or brother/sister bond whatever. In the book 3 when firebolt was taken he knew that Hermione had good intentions. Harry needs different things in friendship. He needs Hermione's support to survive and Ron for jokes. Harry was never good with emotions. Plus during that time when Harry enjoyed when it was 3 of them was because he needed Ron and Hermione. He was upset about falling out with Ron. In book 5 he was horrified when Hermione was injured.
@jayda huntley This is funny because Ron literally bullied her at the start so it kind of advocates towards, "Oh, he's only mean to you 'cause he like you!"
@@SamanthDarling Personally, I’ve always thought that Harry and Hermione had a closer relationship and even while I was reading the books when I was younger, I actually thought that they were going to get together until the Ron/Hermione tension started to pop up out of nowhere.
even in the regular movies just look at the end of the chamber of secrets when hermione is un-petrified she hugs hary and they have a moment then she acwardly shakes hands with ron
I always liked Ginni with Harry because physically she reminded me of Harry’s mom and thought it was cute for some reason. Also it was a perfect way for all 3, Ron Hermione and Harry to become real family. But I recently changed my mind, help from a TH-cam fanfic called “In the Forrest of Dean” by T3Tohru, and now this video. 🙌 Harrmione all the way!
I've always thought Harry & Hermione were more like brother & sister. Harry never shows any romantic feelings for Hermione, though I've also never thought Harry & Ginny should have gotten together. When I was in school, I was always hugging my guy best friends, but it was never because I was in love with them or had any feelings for them beyond friendship.
yeah i mean... the murdered ginny's character in the films, and as Ben said, Bonnie did a pretty good job with what she had. Make a tv serie/remake the films and put in a real Ginny and a real Hermione and things might change. In the films Hermione is played by Emma Watson which is far more attractive then how Hermione is supposed to be, also she doesn't show most of the negative traits book Hermione has. Book Ginny has some chemistry with Harry, while still being akward about it. Film Ginny? eh id rather forget it. Still props to Bonnie, my teenage crush
Honestly the first time I read the Harry Potter books in 4th grade I genuinely thought that Harry and Hermione would end up together 😂 I was surprised that they didn’t when I found out lol
I swear they probably just wanted to remain on the fence about which way it would go so they could do a big reveal of who actually ends up together. That's exactly what they did in Avatar the last Airbender. They set up katara with aang and zuko as possible romantic interests then pushed her towards both of them then ultimately set her up with the protagonist.
I completely disagree, I feel like the fact that Harry and Hermione are good friends is better, it also explains why they never fought, Ron and Hermione had feelings for each other and they were young so they probably didn’t fully understand it and they tried to keep it hidden since we know that Ron felt completely inferior in every way to Harry and Hermione was unimaginably shy
But still the trope of "Pulling Pigtails" is just dumb. Ron doesn't even consider Hermione for the yule ball till after every other option he could think of was gone. If he was so deeply in love with her, she would have been his first choice. JK herself said that Ron and Hermione was just her forcing the characters together to fulfill a wish she had as a girl to have been with the boy she based Ron on. Its literally word of god saying "I just put them together for the lulz"
Harry says numerous times in the books that he doesn't really get along too well with Hermoine when Ron isn't around. Ron is kinda that bridge between Hermoine and Harry.
This! It's made so clear in the books without Ron, the friendship is considerably weakened. Not to say they don't like and care for each other, just that they have NOTHING in common outside of homework and whatever it is they are battling that year.
@@magentascribe7586 Idk the exact chapters but it is in book 4 when Harry and Ron aren't talking because of the jealousy thing, Book 6 when Hermoine and Ron aren't talking because of Lavender Brown, and book 7 after Ron leaves and Harry is alone with Hermoine all the time
Counter arguments: 1. Harry and Hermione both have strong wills and would frequently be at odds over who is in the driver's seat. 2. Both are largely ignorant of many aspects the wizarding world beyond Hogwarts. For example, the fact that house elves generally find liberation the equivalent of being fired. 3. The Ron of the books in not the worthless Ron of the movies. 4. I thought Luna would have been a good match for Harry. His life was dark and she is a radiant ball of quirky sunshine. 5. Hermione seems to have difficulty grasping concepts that are outside her experience, books, and preconceptions. Ron counters this by being much more adaptable.
MonsieurDeVeteran well the books even stated that the horcrux has a more prevalent effect on Ron because he had much more to loose, and was much more insecure than Harry and hermione. So the horcrux making him leave is perfectly reasonable.
Counterpoint to your first counterpoint, ron and hermione are both strong willed as well. The fact that they are arguing so much proves this. If ron were weaker willed than Hermione, he would have relented about Crookshanks Killing Scabbers, he wouldnt spend so much time in the books being angry with her. He would accept his fault and move on. But he holds onto it ALL THE TIME
@@MonsieurDeVeteran no he didn't. Your precious Harry asked him to leave. Twice. Mocked him for being concerned about his family. That's when he left. Read the books perhaps
That is one big stretch. Hermione already had feelings for Ron before HBP, and Harry started developing feelings for Ginny only after he was at the Burrow. I'm pretty sure he would've been hit with a truck instantly if he'd been slipped love potion. There were a few subtle mentions in HBP beforehand, but nothing actually happened until after they all went to Hogwarts. Also, it would mean that all of their kids turned into little Voldemorts and I mean, come on.
That would also mean that neither Ron nor Ginny were lovable enough just by being themselves. And it would mean that Molly thought her own children weren't lovable as they are. Especially her only daughter. I think it sounds very unlikely to say the least.
thank you for coming at this ship from the book perspective. WAY too many times I've been told that because I ship Harmione I must have never read the books...when I read them at least twice a year. You even worked in my biggest hurdle against Harry and Ginny that you barely see Ginny for 4 books where Harry is busy pining after Cho
@@stefan4159 Huh? That's 100% true though. She literally has less lines of dialogue in the first 4 books than she has in OotP alone. She definitely has more moments than she does in the films but she's far from a major or even an important secondary character, safe for her plot relevance in CoS.
@@appetizingly Always ask the question "compared to who/what?". If you were to compare to Harry, Ron and Hermione, yes, you do barely see Ginny in the first four books. But that's an unfair comparison for obvious reasons. Compared to characters like Neville, Dean, Seamus, Lavender, Parvati, Cho etc... she's as present if not more so than them. As you yourself mentioned she was very relevant in CoS, and you see her quite a bit in the first half of GoF (it's only the second half of GoF that drags the book overall down in terms of her on-page presence).
@@stefan4159 Compared to all the major secondary characters in each respective book. She's simply a really minor character for the first 4 with the exception of her already mentioned relevance to the plot in CoS. It's really not an exaggeration to say that you barely see Ginny for the first 4 books because that's just the truth when you compare her lines of dialogue and/or direct mentions to characters like Dumbledore, the professors in general, Lockhart, Lupin, Sirius, Moody/Crouch Jr., Malfoy, Fred & George, parts of the Gryffindor Quidditch team etc.
@@appetizingly It's an inconsistent position to basically say "she's a really minor character, except when she's not". If there's a major exception like that, it surely means that she isn't a really minor character. The plot isn't something that you can just wave away and declare it inconvenient. And by your own standards Lockhart (CoS), Lupin (PoA), Moody (GoF) would fit the same criteria you established for Ginny - relevant to the plot in one particular book, but not beyond that. But unlike them, Ginny actually has presence in the other three books. And Malfoy should rather be placed in the primary character category, you see him in practically every chapter either being involved in the plot (trying to get Harry and Ron expelled, Buckbeak executed, the CoS Shenanigans, etc.) or simply harassing the Trio any chance he can get. And parts of the Quidditch team? They are less relevant to the first four books than Ginny is. You definitely see them a lot in PS and PoA, but you don't actually get to know them the same way you do with Ginny. The only characters you'd be correct about her having less of a page presence would be Fred, George, and Sirius, but that still doesn't make Ginny a really minor character. Because by this logic I could declare Sirius a really minor character just because he was only majorly present in 3 books out of 7 (like Ginny in CoS, OotP and HBP).
I wanna reread the series just to check all the scenes pointed out. Honestly, I wanted Hermione to end up with someone who has the same level of achievements as her because she deserves to be with someone she can just talk to about anything without hurting any egos. But my impression of her being with Ron is to keep her grounded and humble (not that she isnt) but he's there to let her relax and have a laugh. Her and Harry would be a bit more problematic because of their combined trauma and basically having no other family members to turn to.
Neshie nul sometimes she is way too egotistical and not humble like when she wouldn’t go an apologize in the 3rd book (whether or not she was right or not ) or when she attacked Ron with birds or the house elves sheinanagins (can’t spell). I agree with her but she didn’t even really take notice of other people’s opinions
That's always interesting to me because I slightly agree but my personal headcanon is that if they got together years down the line, it would work so much better. I've always maintained Harry Pre Year 7 wasn't ready for ANYONE and they both needed to grow and figure themselves out. When I ship them together, it's mostly potential. I can see them together in the future when they've both matured a bit. But I actually do agree with you a bit and can totally see where you're coming from!
You’ve left out the fact the Ginny has already confessed her crush for Harry as early as book 2. And Hermione being one of Ginnys’s best friends has already ruled out Harry as a matter of principle
I think it just comes down to the fact that harry and hermione just have more chemistry in the movies which wasn’t there with Ron and hermione and harry and Ginny.
The Dumbledore scene never existed in the book. That scene was done to satisfy the wankery of every Harmony shipper because the screenwriter was an idiot.
Id have liked to but I got my mum to watch all the movies during lockdown. Without saying anything in the 2nd movie she said Ron and Hermione are going to end up together. Its that typical high school crush theory where u are mean to the person u like or try harder to not show you actually like them so its constant skirting and awkwardness between Ron and Hermione they cant hug even in 2nd one and they are meant to be good friends she almost died yet she flings her arms around harry because to her he is no threat she sees him like a best friend a brother so its easier for her to spill her mind to him and have the deep convos. As for Krum who was the one that confessing their love to him in the Quidditch world cup.. Ron so who would get the most mad and would notice this the most Ron.. for Cho she wants the best for him so she is just giving harry her advice like you would a brother or best friend
Every time you said Hermione was paying attention to something she shouldn't have been. I thought as intelligent as Hermione is she pays attention to pretty much every little detail. Just one example of that in the philosophers stone when they first run into fluffy Hermione notices the trap door. She probably has edetic memory and picks up on everything she sees.
The reason I don't ship them is because they kinda act like siblings in the books and also I feel like they would be that kind of couple that you go, oh wait, you're married
It was never like that , the way they walked in godrix hollow like an old couple and Harry closed his eyes at her touch , this is not what siblings do and Romione Hinny were like that , it was like no how can you both be couple
When Ron says "Hermione, you're a girl" in GOF, I always read it as Ron attempting to pretend he isn't interested in her romantically. Kinda like "oh Hermione, we should go to the Yule Ball together. Totally not because I like you. It's just ... very convenient bc you're a girl and I'm a boy. Yeah, that's totally the only reason"
You know, J.K.R have said she initially planned for it to go Harry and Hermione, instead of her and Ron? So it's not like the assumption they would fit better has no basis. It might just be that hints were left in the books, from when she wrote/planned for H+H. Source; a years old youtube video/ interview where J.K.R herself explained that she had planned for H and H, to end up together. Don't- sadly- remember the name/title of the video, but I'm sure it won't be too hard to find! :)
@@sjokkoladehjerte Yeah, JK said the only reason Ron and Herm. got together was because she wanted to do something based on emotion and not logic. She decided to go on a whim because she was curious how it would be if Ron was with Herm.
Yes. The boy describes her in CoS as "glowing like the setting sun" and "blushing to the roots of her flaming hair". But sure, hArRy aNd gInNy cAmE oUt oF nOwHeRe iN hBp.
The way she talks to Ron is how a a girl talk to someone see me like a bit more the way she talks to Harry it's like how a sister talks to her brother caring and loving when they are concerned about them
I used to kind of agree with this, when I first learned that Harry and Ginny get together (it was spoiled for me) it kind of annoyed me for a number of reasons…. But when I read it in the 6th book I was surprised to find I actually liked it, it was pretty well done there….. still felt it lacked some build up but it was fine. Later on I re-read the entire series and as I read through book 5 there was a moment where Ginny won me over and it became clear that they were always supposed to be together. It’s the moment at Christmas where Harry is hiding from everyone, fearful that he is being possessed by Voldemort and scared that he may end up hurting his friends, which creates a vicious circle of depression as he feels lonely and isolated, whilst scared to fix it. Ginny is the one who brings him out of his slump, she reminds him that she had been possessed by Voldemort herself, reminding Harry that she had suffered in a similar way and may well understand completely how he feels, and reassures him (after comparing notes) that he isn’t being possessed. It’s a powerful moment for her character, and is the moment that seals their future love.
Also the moment in Ootp where they were alone kn the library and harry told ginny why he was upset and she actually helped him and also they made eye contact for a while until madam pince kicked them out the library and at the end of the book there was another little moment where ron told ginny to choose a better boyfriend next time and then looked oddly at harry I think that was hinting something
Me: *Sees title and thumbnail* Me: Me: Me: but ... Ben: Harry and Ginny are awkward, and Ron and Hermione fight a lot. Me: true...bu- Ben: Ron x Luna Me: O.O *gets onboard the weird train that is Ben's Harry Potter ships*
at 14:10, and 14:15 in both the book and movie when Hermione referring to Cho with Harry "well, she just couldn't keep her eyes off of you." like in jealous way.
the first theory I dont agree with at ALL. Just finished my fourth HP reread and I love all the hints at Ron and Hermione's hidden love throughout most of the books
Harry describes Ginny's silver lining kiss as firewhiskey. Now, whiskey probably isn't related, but gin-arry, or gin-ery, as in refinery. Also realising it's only a g away from gingery. Edit: I forgot to clarify how the name works. Simply put, by describing as alcohol, implies an intoxicating quality
Harry and Hermione are like distant siblings. Book Ginny and Harry are implied to have a relationship where they enjoy sharing laughs/ smiles together over subtle things.
Binging these from two years in the future, but here is why I think Harry and Ginny are right for each other. Well, small child me picked it up from book two, not sure how. But adult me thinks that it is because both Harry and Ginny both have experience being possessed by Voldemort.
The reason Ron and Hermione take so long about it is (in my opinion) because, despite the fact that they look like them, Harry and Ginny are not the “modern” version of James and Lily: Ron and Hermione are.
I always thought that Harry should wind up with Luna. Shes a fun, quirky character on the surface with a lot of subtle depth just below. She also understands loss, death, and probably sees things for what they are more often than not, even if she cant really explain them in a way that makes sense to most people.
The way that Hermione and Ron low-key bully each other through out the series has always bugged me. While yes, playful banter between partners is not uncommon, I get a weird vibe from how often the pair is mad at each other. Harry and Hermione’s mutual admiration for each other’s skill as wizards, as well as the way they express that they value each other’s friendship shows how they would be more comparable as partners than Hermione and Ron are.
I personally liked Ron and Hermione. In the first three books/movies they were just kids, but in The fourth one Ron obviously low key liked Hermione and in the half blood prince when Ron gets a girlfriend you can really tell Hermione liked him. Harry and Hermione were cute, but I feel as if they would be better and close friends. I respect your opinion though
But Ron and Luna would have been great together. I feel like they just balance each other out more then Ron and Hermione did. They’re too stubborn to be very compatible.
Anxious Dumpling well they were also teenagers, and most of the time they were truly angry, it was out of jealousy (except for Book 1, but they were 11 and had just gotten to know each other). The other times, they weren’t really angry, just disagreeing. Also, notably, Hermione has also gotten upset with Harry before, but while Ron is able to meet her where she is when she gets upset, Harry avoids confrontation (which is relatable for me lol). And they also make each other better-Ron’s influence gets Hermione to lighten up and break the rules when the situation calls for it, and Hermione’s influence causes him to be more sensitive and understanding towards others (their kiss scene in the book was initiated by Hermione after Ron expressed concern for the elves, something he’d never done before). Arguing doesn’t make a pairing toxic-in fact, it’s totally normal to have contrasting opinions and be willing to debate them with your partner! I feel like Romione would absolutely do that (Harmione would too, but I feel like Romione would do it more often and would therefore have fewer long-lasting fights, more short-lasting ones)
@@anxiousdumpling5041 It's a fairly common trope, which I hate with a passion. Imagine constantly fighting with someone you then get into a relationship with. Their relationship must be awful.
Ngl if I was in Hermione's position I would actually pick Ron. Harry is just too.. heh.. easy? Like it doesn't spark anything, he's just there like a friend. Also Hermione must like a lil challenge. She even cheated to make him win the quidditch tryouts. She had a massive crush on him and honestly maybe cuz he's the one that messes with her emotions the most. Ron can easily make her mad but also easily make her happy. He can surprise her. Harry is like expected to be a good friend and do nice stuff for people but when Ron does it she may get a lil more pleased. She may smile more when he does stuff. Ron and his fam opened her up to many things in the wizarding world and his fam accepted her and treated her like family. To stay in the burrow and have everyone be so friendly and to see Ron also treating you like you're part of the family must be really heartwarming. Also Ron kinda needs Hermione and Hermione likes to be in charge and organize things. I just don't see Hermione with Harry. Hermione can look at the perfume Ron gave her and smile because of how off he is. The book is just another book anyone could've given to her because it's obvious. And ben let's be honest we know Hermione was trying to make Ron jealous not Harry. And he did get jealous that means there was something but only Hermione picked up on it because.. she's Hermione. Also why would Hermione want to be with someone that may be a lil smarter than her. I know she looks up to him but that's it. Ron is perfect. They complete each other. I'm in the top class and always gets one of the top marks and I really don't like guys(romatically) that are smarter or even acts smart when they're not even in the top class. I like dudes who would actually treat me like a person and just be himself. Ron is a tad over dramatic and he drives her insane but that is love. I don't think Harry really sparks anything in her. Luna is one of my fav characters but her and Ron don't really mix. Hermione might be the only person that could handle him
Or maybe Harry was really just Hermione's best friend....that is why she acted that way towards him. To be honest I could see them as a couple and a very formidable couple at that but I see and appreciate them as best friends too with no romantic complications. That was one thing when reading the books and watching the movies I really appreciated it because I can relate to having male friends as just best friends or even brother figures...breaking that stereotype and story/movie troupe. In the end... I can see and understand both points when it comes to those two characters. But what I do not like is this behaviour...(not really from you Ben lol ) from many in the fandom who belittle Ron and sometimes even Ginny as if their characters aren't worthy of the mighty Hermione or Harry. in terms of other ships At one point I thought Harry and Luna would have gotten together. Ginny and Dean Hermione and Viktor Krum Luna and Neville
Yes. Ginny and Ron bashing is baked into the Harry/Hermione community, and that's one of the reasons the ship and its fanbase is disliked across the fandom.
But that’s the thing of course Harry & Hermione don’t have to be together, but the fact that Hermione and Ron are is what he’s saying. The chemistry isn’t there. Bet they got a divorce I’m calling it 💆🏼♀️
I'm so so sorry Ben but the argument about her keeping tabs on her friend's love lives is just your typical teen girl level of observation. We may not always comment on these things but we see them. It may not be a thing that's our business or it may not be a thing we're involved in but the moment it becomes important or relevant, THEN we'll comment on it. I noticed my 2 friends were into each other 3 months before they got together and I waited until my friend was comfortable talking to me about it before saying a word. Girls are always observing like that. It's very typical teenage girl behavior.
I think a significant part of the popularity of this theory comes down to the fact that Daniel Radcliffe and Emma Watson have amazing chemistry on screen. Rupert and Emma just don't share that same energy
There is sooooo many more moments through out the book for romione !!!!!! And it is clear that Hermione has feelings for Ron from POA and look at their fight after the Yuleball! How can you interpret that any different
Parvati: She looks beautiful Harry: (talking about Cho) Yes, she does *camera zooms in on Harry as he takes in Hermione’s beauty* IMO: camera should’ve zoomed in on Ron here. Sends the wrong message to those who hadn’t read the books
We listened to “Harry, A History” by Melissa Anelli, where The Author basically said that the rabid shipping made her change from the HH ship to the RH ship. Maybe just to be contrary.
I haven't read it, but from what I remember about her, Melissa Anelli was always a canon shipper, but more moderate in her statements about it compared to Emerson Spartz. Do you have any quotes that would indicate that she was H/Hr at first?
@@stefan4159 I had meant JKR changed her mind at seeing the rabid nature of the shippers, not MA. Looking at the 2005 Muggle Net interview, it seems like I must be misremembering. Of course, it has been almost 15 years since the book came out and more than 10 since I heard the book-on-tape.
As someone who was in this kind of relationship in my teen years: THIS NEVER WORKS, relationships need to have respect to work, something that neither have for each othe in the books and the movies
@@biancasol4222 they always argued because they had mutual respect for each other and it never felt personal to either of them. Hermione was happy because Ron was the only person to call her out for stuff he doesn’t agree with. Even Harry thought about disagreeing but didn’t want to tell her.
Ron ending up with Hermione just makes 0 sense. Comes completely out of nowhere which is without even mentioning the dozens of reasons through the first 5 books why it could never possibly happen. Harry and Hermione doesn’t make any sense either but even still is infinitely more likely than Ron.
I dont know, this felt really really biased 😂 There were also parts in the books that indicated that they wouldnt fit aswell. In book 4 when Harry and Ron are not talking to each other Harry says that the time when Hermione is your best friend just isnt as much fun, just a lot sitting in the library. Harry doesnt even seen to think about the idea that Hermione could be his girlfriend when Rita Skeeter is making up that story. And of course later in book 7 he says he only loves her as a sister. Those are the ones that come to my mind right now. And the movies did all the Harry Hermione thing because she was the favorite character of the director right. He gave her Rons lines to let her look like Harrys best friend. I would have preferred the ending if none of those relationships would have endet in marriage. Have a romantic relationship while school and probably some difficulties considering their friendship while and after, sure, would have loved to read something like this as a teenager. But how many relationships do you know that start in school and last so long... but maybe thats a wizards world thing.
It always felt to me that unless Hermione was specifically doing something that directly involved Harry, that he could not care less what she's up to. Where as Ron does focus a lot on Hermione no matter what she`s doing. Like him noticing her winky class schedule in POA. Or him pretty much knowing what her Bogart would be. Just to name a couple of examples.
i know a lot of people married to their highschool sweethearts but, I come from a small town and the people who married out of high school never moved away. Just a smaller community with fewer options i guess. I would say it is the same with the wizarding world, a small community with fewer options. So, it seems pretty realistic for me. For people who live in large communities, i'd imagine it would be weird.
Yeah but these are common tropes in romantic subplots Hermione argues with Ron because she loves to argue and Ron won’t take it personally and she’s mean to Ron because that is a common trope in writing to have romantic partners be rude to each other
It’s weird trying to think of hermione and Harry being together because they seem more like brother and sister. They are just the ultimate two best friends with nothing going on idk that’s just me. I like that Ron and hermione are together because it’s like Ron gets to have something he doesn’t have share or give up to his siblings or even Harry. Ron and Harry are the good cliche where they are the two best friends of the main character who are always arguing and bickering at each other and somehow end together at the end. We see with icarly characters with sam and Freddy (I know random but that was the first thing I thought of) idk it’s just me I prefer Ron with hermione, Harry with draco, and Luna with Ginny ✊🏾✊🏾😂😂
Gotta say I love Ron/Hermione but I always thought Harry would end up with Luna. She seems like just the kind of oddball that would compliment his determination and straight-forwardness. (Granted when I read book 1 when I was young I totally thought Harry/Hermione would be a thing.)
Omg, me too! She also was the only one who truly understood what he was going through in order of the phoenix with witnessing death and being called a freak by the masses
Personally, I always read Hermoine's interest in and reaction to Harry's lovelife as disproving Harmoine. She can be much more compassionate and understanding of Harry's obliviousness as opposed to Ron's cause she has no horse in that race, so to speak, and so she just talk about it with him as a friend, with his best interests in mind. In a lot of ways, she's an amazing wingwoman, giving him the confidence to go after Cho, helping him understand why Cho cried after the kiss, she gets Ginny to stop fangirling in a way that was clearly making Harry uncomfortable, keeps "the chosen one" from being manipulated by people who only want him for status, etc. Hermoine is shown to be more romantically savvy than either Ron or Harry, but it's only Harry she decides to help in this way, she lets Ron blunder his way into constant availability. Finally, I think a large part of why Harry and Hermoine's relationship is so great is that it's not tainted by teenage romantic tension as written by J.K. Rowling.
I agree 100%. I've always looked at Hermione and Harry's relationship as a Brother and Sister. Neither of them have siblings and I always felt that is what they considered each other to be. Now Hermione and Ron always argued like an old married couple. I knew from the Chamber of Securities that they would end up together, and this was even before the Goblet of Fire was even out. It just felt natural.
For me, Harry and Ginny was amazing in the books, but Harry and Hermione should be together in the movies bc Harry and Ginny was horribly awkward in the movies and they ruined Ron in the movies.
It didn't help that they never really did anything with Ginny in the movies, like they did with the books. She feels more fleshed out in the books then in the movies.
Exactly! Those were the cringiest moments in the entire HP film series. The cringe level literally broke the scale and is still going. If I’d read the books first and then watched the movies, I would never even be able to imagine Ginny feeding Harry a cookie and tying his shoe laces. But, here we are, with those exact scenes making themselves into the movie!
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I completely agree, I feel like the majority of people that think Harry and Hermione should be together are either the people that have only watched the movies or haven’t reread the books to see how perfect Harry and Ginny are for each other (should go without saying, but this is my opinion and I’m not saying this is how everyone is or that this is how everyone should think)
Michael Henson In my opinion Ginny from the books was barely a character herself. You say they cut some of her lines... she barely had any. JKR failed to develop her in a good way, having seemingly forgot about her from books 3-4 and rushed to implement her from onwards.
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What other couples in Harry Potter do you ship?!
SuperCarlinBrothers DRARRY
Harry/Luna is one of my favorite ships. I don't really know why.
Neville and Ginny
The cannon ones...
Am I even allowed to say that anymore?
@@whosnail827 ye
The fact that hermoine is the one that was in the lake for Krumm is quite sad… they didn’t even know each other very well. Victor probably has a really sad life
Sad and lonely. Which is prob why he liked Hermione even more. She wasnt obsessing over him
To be fair he was a world famous athlete at the age of 16/17. So yeah, I imagine his life would be very isolating between constant quidditch training and trying to parse out who is trying to get close to him for his fame vs for him
And everyone thinks he has a perfect life
I’m on your side here!
I’m thinking that the person they took had to be at Hogwarts. Maybe he has people he loves at home but they’re not going to go all the way to Bulgaria to take someone for the triwizard cup.
They killed Ginny's character in the movies. She was not anything I had imagined her to be. Bonnie Wright was perfect for Ginny's actress. I just wish they had given her more justice.
Really? I didn't see a difference between Ginny in books and movies. I didn't pay attention to her. She was a background character for me. Like she's there but oh well. So I was surprised when she got together with Harry. Unless she did something major. I know what she did like with magic, boyfriends, Ron's little sister and chamber of secrets. Maybe she was a major character. Maybe she even was silent help in trio. I have a big problem when she said that Harry would never be happy if he won't hunt Voldemort. Its not like he could have walked away from this.
@@klaudiagrob In the books she was charismatic, fun, confident, like a younger female version of fred and goerge (just not a prankster). She has many great quotes, jokes and is in many scenes. In the movies she is awkward, quiet, and just awful to watch. Thye killed her character.
Ginny in the books basically live by her quote "living with fred and George you start to think anything's possible if you've got enough nerve
Ginny in the movie is basically never there only becomes Important in the 6 movie and is really awkward
Ginny was such an amazing witch in the books and the movies kinda made her this 2 dimensional love interest who doesnt do much half the time
Unrelated but I also hate what they did to Ron
Kate k 14 same here
Klaudia Grobl the running after Voldemort thing I agree with
I’d take Anakin talking to Padmé about how he doesn’t like sand than the cringe cookie moment between harry and ginny
If only they followed Ginny's character in the books better, then we wouldn't have cringy moments like that
whos jenny?
I don't like sand...
I don’t like cookies, they are sweet crumby and irritating and they get everywhere!
So true
In all honesty, I think one of the biggest reasons we see such a strong case for Harry and Hermione as a couple (which is called Harmony in the fandom, btw. Yes I'm one of them) is less to do with the (checks timestamp) 17+ minutes of extremely obvious chemistry they have, though that is something that's hard to ignore, and more that Rowling seems to fall strongly in favor of the "Bicker with your Crush" school of romantic thought. Harry and Ginny's awkward, somewhat stunted relationship aside, there's no other easy way to explain Ron and Hermione's budding romance while maintaining any semblance of internally-consistent logic without having to resort to explaining all their bickering and fighting and general mutual abrasion by any other means. It's either that they secretly have a crush on each other the whole time... or they're just extremely incompatible and yet somehow end up together with multiple kids.
The problem with this is that I think the mindset of bickering with a crush because said person is just so hyper-focused on them that every little misstep is blown out of proportion (and thus the end result of that is bickering and arguing) is actually not all that representative of how real relationships work, but is *especially* pervasive in fiction and fantasy. We even see it pop up in the Pokemon anime with Ash and Misty, even though they're not all that close in age and nothing ever actually comes of it. People nevertheless seem to think that two friends bickering constantly and picking on each other is a *clear sign* that they're secretly pining after one another, which just doesn't seem to hold up all that often in the real world. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it would certainly explain why there are so many people contrasting that relationship in particular with the hypothetical Harmony ship.
The argument isn't even that hard to make: Ron and Hermione bicker constantly, have almost polar opposite interests, treat academics (something we know is absolutely *integral* to Hermione's self-identity) in completely opposite ways, and in general just seem to largely be friends with each other because of their mutual friendship with Harry. Ron, it seems, was perfectly capable of dismissing Hermione as a know-it-all bookworm until he *literally went through a life-or-death situation with her*, after which he almost begrudgingly accepts her as a friend once she *takes the blame for the entire troll situation despite it having nothing to do with her*. Remember, she didn't go seek out the troll, she was crying in the bathroom completely unaware of the troll *because Ron hurt her feelings so badly that she skipped dinner*.
Simply the fact that the above isn't present in Harry's relationship with her speaks volumes to the quality of the potential romance between them. I wouldn't be surprised if people simply couldn't accept that Ron and Hermione would *ever* work out romantically, and thus the next most obvious thing is the surprisingly well-supported Harmony ship. You don't need to look all that hard to find example after example of ways in which Harry and Hermione work well together, and suddenly it seems kind of strange that Hermione ended up with *anybody* else.
To get back to the initial point about Hermione and Ron being written more from Rowling's perspective of "bicker with your crush", the overall point here is that it isn't as much that Harry and Hermione just have *that strong* of a case going for the two of them getting romantically involved, but rather that in an effort to try and foreshadow Ron and Hermione's mutual feelings for each other, Rowling inadvertently created an extremely polarizing relationship: Either the reader is completely on board with the bickering-means-romantic-feelings explanation and successfully views it as foreshadowing of the eventual romantic payoff in the last two books, OR the reader sees it as a litany of incompatibilities that might eventually bleed into the romance, and then the fact that they start spiraling into a romance with each other seems like a last-minute out-of-nowhere addition for sake of subverting the "Hero gets the girl" trope.
Basically TL;DR it's not so much that Harry and Hermione are so compatible, but rather that you either agree with Rowling presenting Ron and Hermione as a bickering-means-feelings relationship OR you see it as a strong counterexample to their romantic compatibility and Harry/Hermione is the next best thing.
Im not reading all this 😂
@@JordanDelp Wow yeah I don't remember writing all this. TLDR is that the fandom probably didn't go for Harry and Hermione so much because they're so compatible, there's lots of examples in the books of their incompatibilities, but because if you already don't buy into Ron and Hermione nor Harry and Ginny because of their other incompatibilities, it's sort of the next most obvious option. Once you're there, of course, you find that they actually do have a lot of good complementary traits, but that's sort of a perk rather than the point a lot of the time.
@@robertsteffler5155I liked it, it was a very good analysis and breakdown. I do think it's worth mentioning that each time Ron leaves the group (mad at Harry in book 4, storms out book 7), the loss is extremely felt. Harry mentions in book 4 that he likes Hermione very much, but she's just not as good company as Ron. "Spend a lot less time laughing and a lot more time in the library."
There are many nights where they barely talk to each other in book 7, depressed at Ron's absence. Ron and Hermione "bicker" a lot, but they both seem to enjoy picking each other's brains. It's Harry that doesn't like the constant debating.
@@robertsteffler5155 yeah that makes sense
Dude why is everyone writing essays How many times do I have to say this IT ISN’T SCHOOL😅😂😂
Bonnie Wright is such an amazing person and she did what she could, but the directors have CONSISTENTLY taken away from other characters in order to boost up Hermione. I love her, but they made her wayyyyy too perfect in the movies and took a lot away from both Ron and especially Ginny.
Yep! Dominic Noble calls it Legolas Syndrome
@@Orangeninja5000 god I loved those videos also Quinn curio managed to explain why Ron and Hermione is a good relationship
it real sad even the movie Kloves didnt write for which was OotP the book where ginny has her coming out party and really comes into her own they took all of her bright moments away and just cut them instead giving her very little other then her skill with reducto
true and she rlly only was terrible in the second half of the half blood prince, she's great in the movies before that
Fanfiction writers: Oh yeah, it’s all coming together now...
I write fanfics of various genre and a few Potter related to Harmione ships. I have the ideas of it but need to write it.
Cool. I am writing an Amourshipping story, and then I am going to write a Visorshipping story on Wattpad
Nice! 👌🏽
Love the comment but you did the meme wrong. It's oh yeah It's all coming together.
@@nathangibson3500 brilliant
In regards to the Christmas gift thing, ron giving hermuonie perfume was supposed to symbolize him seeing her as a girl, instead of just a friend like harry does.
Exactly! I always thought it was cute- like he suddenly didn’t know what to get her because he wanted to get her something nice but was just oblivious.
Doesn't do him any favors. Felt that showed that he doesn't even know Hermione herself well enough to get her something she actually likes. Meanwhile Harry got her something he knows she'd like.
Here’s the thing. I have a similar friendship with two guys. The one I’m not secretly in love with, I am freely affectionate and tell him I love him (as a friend). We vibe well and get along perfectly. The one I AM secretly in love with I am not as quick to embrace him and we also mock each other often; sometimes brutally. So, I think that might be human nature?
I was thinking about this too. I'd say people are projecting by nature, so e.g. when they hug someone who they don't secretly crush on, they don't give it a second thought (because friends hug each other so just showing affection). When it is someone they do have a crush on, it's always wondering 'Did I hug them too quickly, for too long, is it obvious how I really feel etc'. They're more guarded with their emotions because they're hiding how they feel. At least that's my experience :D
@Emily Puckett do you need me to play the banjo?
Ben: "I am team Harmione!"
Me: *spills some of my tea*
He just dropped the tea _for_ you
I spiled something today so
I am also team Harmione
Same
Goes on to say the importance of reading title on TH-cam videos doesn't it. duh!
Same
YOU’RE ACTUALLY DOING IT
I thought it was a myth
Indy Neptune *you’re
Oop ty
I thought so as well
RMIRONE (Hermione+Ron)
Viktor Krum and Luna love good
Book 3 sealed it for me, when Harry and Hermione were such a great team. She was the brains, he was the instinct. Their strengths perfectly compliment each other.
On the other hand, the movies played Ron all wrong. To fix the Ron/Hermione problem you need to play Rom with, what I would call, the Weasley Swagger. I think Ron would be one of those guys who had an effortless charm that girls love, kind of a Han Solo. Give him some of the Ginny attitude of “anything is possible if you’ve got enough nerve.” I think a guy like that would be a match for Hermione. It rounds out the golden trio better too. Hermione is brains, Harry is instinct and Ron is confidence. They all compliment each other. Ron could still have those moments of self doubt, covered by a joking tough guy exterior. I don’t know if I’ve explained it clearly enough here, but it would work.
Ron is like that in the books he's nit very confident but he's the bravest and the truest griffindor and is always the first perisn to jump to protect his freidns he throws an aligigator heart at malfoy for making fun if harry and says if u want to kill harry u have to kill us too and pulls out his wand or physically attacks malfoy every book for insulting hemrione and harry feels much more open to telling ron his problems then hermiones because ron would reason with him instead of fault him be calm about it and not panic just like when harry had visions of voldemort he wouldn't tell hemrione cos she'd badger him about occlumency and harry doesn't have the patience to deal with hemriones nagging and would burst within second and when hemrione does nag its always ron to tell her to drop it cos he understands harry had enough and hemrione almost like a mother and father
For the movies: Harry and Hermione
For the books: Ron and Hermione
In the books, Harry was kinda mean in his inner thoughts when it would be just him and Hermione. Like how he appreciates Hermione's friendship but there were more laughing moments with Ron, but with Hermione it was more quiet and study times with her. There was definitely a favorite friend thing going on
Yeah exactly I always felt like book Harry was a little unappreciative of Hermione until they specifically needed her brains for some adventure
Which was the favorite do you think?
@@madelinegutierrez1720 It is specifically stated in the books that he loved Hermione (but not in a romantic way), but she wasn't nearly in the same league as his best friend, Ron.
I mean, guys do tend to have more fun with other guys, and more quiet moments with the women they're interested in.
Ron is mean to Hermione. But people who ship Ron and Hermione feel that a guy needs to be mean to a girl if he loves her.
When I was reading the books for the first time, I was waiting for Harry and Hermione to be together only to be utterly disappointed in Harry’s girlfriend choice. IT WAS LEADING UP TO THE MOMENT SO WELL!!!!!!!!!!
Bffr it was so obvious it wad ron
Harry literally called her borring
I dunno how the books lead you to that 😂
I thought the same when I was reading the books back in the day. I really did feel like Harry and Hermione was going to end up together.
@@dasneuge9704 Thank you for reassuring me instead of going out of your way just to shut me down. I appreciate it. 😊
SCB: Neville is a Samurai
Me: Yeah? That’s cool, convince me.
SCB: Harry and Hermione belong together
Me: No. You can’t change my mind.
Too be honest,I think if Harry didn’t had that time when he saw Dean kissing Ginny,he probably would of got together with Hermione
Same. I'm a hard core Romione shipper. And I love Book Hinny as well ❤
Same
Romione forever!
Exactly.
Harry and Ginny.
Book 1-Ginny is still just a little girl and cries
2- Ginny has a crush on Harry
3-Ginny still has a crush on Harry
4-Ginny and Harry spend a short time together at the quidditch cup but don't speak much. Harry likes Cho, Ginny probably would have either seen it for herself or spoken to Hermione about it.
5- Harry falls flat on his face with Cho and Ginny starts to date other guys and finally starts to speak to Harry as they hang out more (Harry takes note), Harry also takes note of the power and talent Ginny has compared with other girls, the fact that she comes with them to the order of phoenix.
6- Harry spends ALOT of time with Ginny in the summer and notices how easy, funny and pretty Ginny has become.
Harry then notices all the girls that are after him purely for fake often shallow reasons and becomes understands the full implications of a love potion.
Ginny and him go to Slughorn's parties and he just enjoys her company. So to see Ginny with another man (much like Ron) forces him to be confronted with his feelings for Ginny. Because, up until then, he had kind of taken her for granted and had been slowly getting to know her as she became more confident talking to him and getting to know him in return. Also, Ginny has become popular, pretty and powerful all on her own, something Harry finds attractive in women (Cho case in point who is both very popular and pretty)
Ginny is a talented quiddich player, so they shared that in common, Harry spends even more time with her at school and sees how awesome a player she actually is. Harry, (thanks to hermione) has grown accustomed to independent, strong and powerful women! AND she shares the same interests as him!
So, she stops being "some girl who used to have a crush on him" to being an awesome witch who sees Harry for who he is. Unlike all the other fake girls who just want the fame.
Finally, its no coincidence that Ginny has red hair. Of course she could have been blonde or brunnette etc., but her having Red hair sealed the deal for me. She reminds him of his mother and there is nothing wrong with that. Harry never states that, but he does find the red hair an extra attractive, quality that probably reminds him of his ma and also that his own father was attracted to red heads. But all in all its clear that Harry falsl for Ginny for all the reasons mentioned above.
7-Ginny admits that she never really stopped liking him. For a while it seemed like it was never going to happen, harry was too popular and she couldn't even speak to him whilst meanwhile he was fawning over another even prettier girl Cho. But she alwyas stuck up for Harry, fought alongside him and believed in him. She even fought Hermione (her bf) in the 5th book when Harry gets kicked off the team! And again Harry takes note of this. But most of all, she knows Harry because of all the time they spent together at the Burrow growing up. And when a guy saves your life and then teaches you how to defend yourself you never forget that. So, when Harry kisses her I bet she was both surprised and elated that something she probably dreamt about, finally happened and they go off to talk things through instead of celebrate in Griffindor's tower.
She is calm, she rarely cries, she is funny and capable -and Harry loves her for all of those reasons, so when he leaves her, he knows that for her to NOT cling on to him and keep him with her, even though it would have broken her heart, shows just how much she loves him and knows him to let him go. And she is ofc rewarded for her efforts when he does return for her after the battle.
So yeah these are the things I noticed when I deliberately looked for them from book 4 on.
Bonus-Even though Harry leaves with Ron and Hermione, she never gets jealous like Cho because she understands that Harry doesn't have feelings for Hermione and she trusts them both.
Nice essay. Pls don’t take this the wrong way. But seriously very good point
Eragor the Kindhearted plus he described other characters (mostly male) as attractive over Hermione... tho that might be Rowling being straight
Sumayya Wright wow you wrote A lot and it makes a good point 😀
Do you know that Harry and Ginny are distant cousins? Of course removed but still. I don't like them at all.
@@klaudiagrob How come there are distant cousins? Who is the common relative?
1. Grey’s Anatomy has been good for one thing at least: your person doesn’t have to be your romantic partner. You can be super close with someone and not be in love him/her/them. You can admire them without romantic feelings. You might even click with them more than with your significant other.
2. Ron and Hermione have passion, their bickering, the slow burn of their relationship. There is fire. They challenge each other in a way that Harry and Hermione just don’t. They might drive each other mental sometimes but they grow through that.
I think for every argument Ben‘s made here there is just as much to find for Ron and Hermione.
FINALLY someone who sees it almost exactly like I do. There are so many instances in the books where the two are arguing about something, but they enjoy it. They have fun debating, because in the books Ron is actually intelligent (Wizard Chess) and can debate with Hermione on an equal level. It's just a different form of intelligence.
@@garrondumont7891 So true. We don't even hear the vast majority of the arguments because Harry hates arguing and tunes out from them. Harry and Hermione would be terrible together as Harry would either avoid or lie to Hermione (as he did in the books) whenever he thought an argument was coming. They would never work anything out and wouldn't last more than a couple of months tops.
Harry even noticed it in OOTP. When he inturrpted them, they looked offended. That means they enjoyed bickering.
I don’t know if I agree with that... I mean, in GoF when Harry goes through that time period where him and Ron aren’t speaking, he acknowledges that he thinks hanging out with Hermione is okay, but he really mostly just misses Ron. And when Ron left in the Deathly Hallows, it was awkward as well.
Also her response to Ron’s response to Harry after kissing Cho “just because you have the emotional range of a tea spoon doesn’t mean we all have!”
Who are you going to be more frustrated with when they fail to notice you: the person you care about romantically or the person you care about platonically?
Harry and Hermoine in the books have a really good friendship, this can be seen many times like when Rita skeeter is writing recklessly about them being together but still none of them blushed even slightly at the Idea,because they always see each other as Brother and Sister ,As Harry later revealed in the Deathly Hallows. Moreover the book Ginny is everything Harry wants,funny,smart,savage,and good at Quidditch too. But Book Hermoine is sometimes too abide by rules and is often Annoying Harry. But when it comes to the Movies they literally destined to be together, because the Steve Kloves just wasted Ginny and Ron's actual charecters. They were more like nothing except for being there and that's why Harry's sudden Attention to Ginny seem a lot more inappropriate
AGREE 💯
And after seeing the reunion where Emma admitted around the 4th movie she wanted to quit, it makes me think did they purposely push this romance tension, and have her as second lead to keep her around? Because from this point onwards Harry's friendship with Ron is completely unexplored, his love interests might as well not exist and even his friendship with people like Hagrid suffer. Hermione is portrayed as his 'best friend' and the his go to support when this was never her role in the books. It was Rons.
That's a good point.
@@sarad2659 Not that Harry's friendship with Ron was well explored in the books either past GoF. He's almost missing for large chunks of OotP, and without the romantic plot, he basically wouldn't be in HBP at all. JKR apparently almost killed off Ron in HBP, and I can see why; it would've made him a meaningful character again in a series where he seemed to be becoming less and less important. But instead he lived, and the Seventh book did a lot of work to reaffirm his place in the trio before the series ended, and did pretty well overall.
Oh, and Hermione definitely was as important a support for Harry as Ron, even in the books. Just in a very different sort of way. Ron handled the stress and the commiseration, and Hermione handled the self doubt and cut through confusion.
Honestly I would flat out ignore the movies when it comes to Ginny. They had a habit of ignoring the existence of any characters that weren't immediately story relevant so a lot of Ginny's better moments went unnoticed. In Order of the Pheonix, book Harry even forgot they didn't hang out together at Hogwarts because he'd spent so much time with her in Grimmauld Place, but in the movie Ginny was barely a character outside of Chamber of Secrets and Harry's dawning realisation that he liked her.
Almost all of the Weasleys were snubbed actually. Aside from Fred and George, they were either mischaracterised or given little to no screen time. So yeah, it makes sense that movie influence would make Harmione sound better.
Was her contribution really that major? I mean I read the books and watched movies but she was always a background character for me. Like she's there but what else. Maybe I missed something and she even was silent help to the trio. Like so many times. How could Harry have managed without her. I was surprised when I read in book 6 that Harry is interested in her. I didn't consider their interactions as romantic.Ok let's not exaggerate.
'feed him a cookie' me being british knowing its a mince pie :|
Well to be fair, in the movie, you do hear a crunch when Harry bites into the "Mince Pie/Cookie", which means that whoever the director for Half-Blood Prince was, clearly never ate a mince pie in his life.
I love me a mince pie
@@macgyver42563 What are you talking about? Never ate beetle-mince pie? It's crunchy and tastes like socks but it pairs so nicely with awkward romance and hot bean juice!
While I do support Ginny and Harry ending up together in the end, one thing that I think made Hermoine and Harry closer is that Hermoine was a muggle born who was a very gifted witch just like Lily., who Harry constantly thinks about.
You’re just forgetting one thing: they’ve been like brother and sister since year one. Their relationship doesn’t change, it just evolves in the same essence. On the other hand, Hermione and Ron kinda have to figure out what they mean to each other. Their relationship grows and changes. In the 2 first books, they were too young to think about each other, or anyone for that matter, in a romantic way. Buuuut when they actually start growing up and becoming teenagers, Ron and Hermione instantaneously start meaning something else to one another, something more, they simply don’t know how to deal with it, specially with everything that’s going on with Harry, who was the elo that connected the trio for the first couple of years. We can see it very clearly with Ron’s jealousy and Hermione referring not going to the winter ball.
they have been the same for 6 movies like bro aand sis so why would they suddenly get together
Perfectly said
Ron even in book 2 defended Hermione many times and got detection because of it. Harry never defended her like that. There were small hints since that book that they like each other. On other hand. Harry and Hermione would never work. They are too different. Even Harry said that hanging with Hermione was not that great with out Ron. Hermione is also like policeman /teacher, way to strict and all about rules and time table, do and donts. Harry got enough of that/prison at his aunt.
Agreed. I will never understand the people that want Harry/Hermione to be a thing.
@@Rj-pw7zs I mean
Rowling herself said she intended to put Harry and Hermione together from day one, and ended up changing her mind.
I actually think the whole thing is rather ironic. Having the male/female leads be romantically involved is a huge trope, to the point that often it is treated as such a given and writers completely forget to develop the lead relationship, making it ends up feeling really random or forced. Ironically, because Harry and Hermione have a completely platonic relationship, it is really well developed and people just decide they should be a couple. Really though, Harry x Ron would make exactly as much sense as Harry x Hermione; that is to say they in no way appear to be romantically interested in each other. Frankly, having the straight m/f leads not be involved romantically is kind of unusual and HxHr ship just ruins that.
I will agree though that those Harry x Ginny moments in the movies are super awkward and are probably ruining your perception. Most of the development is in Harry's head which is a classic adaptation pitfall.
This 👏👏
I see what you’re saying, and of course Harry X Ron would work, but Harry X Hermione would be such a good power couple.
@@overlorde7526 I see Harry/Hermione more as siblings then anything actually romantic, never got the romance vibes in the books, the movies though? It was obvious there were huge Harry/Hermione shippers directing the movies.
As Bill and Fleur made their vows to each other at their wedding, Hermione and Harry looked at each other. When Hermione was petrified, Ron said: "it's only Hermione" when Harry was freaking out. "friendship, bravery and-" Hermione told Harry this before he left to fight Quirrell, maybe dying before abruptly cutting herself off. I gave an example in book 4 and in book 6, the big one, *DUMBLEDORE*! It is a fact that teachers can tell if students are crushing on each other. Even a muggle, let alone *THE WISEST AND POWERFUL WIZARD OF HIS TIME, SOMEONE EVEN VOLDEMORT FEARED, could tell there was something going on.
Wow this is a lot u must be a fast typer
I thought this was such a wholesome channel but now I find out Ben just goes around tying anyone's shoes. What an incorrigible flirt.
4:52 ah yes my favourite childhood show harny the hurple hinosuar
Ive always felt like Harry & Hermione have sibling like energy. Like best best friends but never romantic. I don’t think they balance each other as a couple, it makes sense they don’t end up together. Ginny and Ron were just written poorly in the movies.
Edit: Hermione and Victor could have become such a bamf power couple js
The way these only children and Luke and Liea acted before reveal really isn't how siblings act.
Yeah i defenity agree
I agree with OC also Ginny was the best in DA. Like she was feisty, powerful and intelligent. She never really showed insecurities. Seems more of a power couple with Harry. She also became a professional quiddich player. Also Harry really only had two friends. Dating one of them is a terrible gamble especially when Ron is so prone to icing people. Hermione never had a shot. Lastly, I think Hermione was flirty by being intense to Ron. Woman tend to try to improve the guy they're with. So that feels more of a relationship. She might even be angry that she likes him in spite of his flaws. Making her mean to him to try to stop those feelings. That's my take on it anyway.
Idk. Harry and Hermione are way closer than I am to my sibling, but maybe shared near death experiences will do that? Either way, I think Ginny was poorly written in the books and the movies. The interest is almost entirely one sided and the pair know practically nothing about each other and spend very little time together in a 7 book series.
As for the balance, well Ron and Hermione are a good match, but I have to agree with Ben in that Harry and Hermione are just a bit better. Hermione is the book smarts and strategy/planning to Harry's raw talent and quick thinking/action. Harry usually sees the bigger picture, connecting the dots on the grand scale, while Hermione fills him in on the subtleties and emotional beats he's missing. They share a similar outlook on life and relationships in that they are fiercely loyal and do not abandon each other. Harry and Hermione fight, but Hermione never really leaves Harry like Ron does, and vice versa. The two regularly trade off being the middle/peacemaker of the trio. For the outlook on life part, not only are they both muggleborns and are grounded in a way that Ron is not, they are also loyal and selfless in a way that Ron is not--no offense to Ron.
The only thing missing from their relationship, really, is Harry's feelings for Hermione, because I do think you can call some of Hermione's early affection for Harry a crush. That said, I also feel Harry's feelings for Ginny are also missing. That relationship is 90% indifference and 10% "the girl who idolized me and stalked me for 6 years is dating someone else and idk how to feel about it." There are definitely instances between Harry and Hermione where some scenes could have turned into more, but Hermione and Ron became a thing very early and Harry would never go after someone Ron liked.
In short, Ron was the best friend, good to have around if Harry needed cheering up/wanted to have fun. Hermione, though, was always the last one standing by his side, who always had his back, always believed in him, and pushed him to keep going. Honestly, they both pushed each other to be better people. Harry pushed Hermione to leave the library and the textbooks, to be bolder and braver; Hermione pushed Harry to be smarter and to open up to other people, and gave him the support he needed to keep standing for what he believed in. I can't really say Ron does the same for either of the two (though he does more for Hermione than for Harry), but it's been a while since I read the books.
@@dragonsailorzero179 Wow. You my friend are a real shipper.
Im very glad that Harry and Hermione didn't end up together because their friendship felt very pure to me, but I def think that Ron and Hermione weren't it. I liked Harry and book Ginny together, because you got Ginny as a full character starting book 4. But Ron and Hermione wasn't it.
Please show me in the books where Ginny is a full character...I must have missed that book.
@@icefier1433 Ginny gets most of her development in CoS, OotP, HBP and DH. PS, PoA and GoF she wasn't as present.
@@icefier1433 You mean like the whole arc where Ron is trying to control her love life and she gets angry and stuff? Nevermind her being at the forefront of conversations with the DA and other important moments from OotP onwards.
You seem to overlook one important point. When Harry kisses Ginny in the common room in The Half Blood Prince, Hermione is beaming! Now isn't that a pretty strange reaction from Hermione, if she has feelings for Harry.
If I had feelings for someone, I would want them to be happy. Even if it was with someone else.
@@timscarrott8919 Overall yes, but if you're directly confronted with the person you like being in a relationship with another person, I would doubt that you are beaming.
@@timscarrott8919 yeah you would also dance at their wedding. 😂😂😂
Hermione obviously had feeling for Ron at this point, he's just trying to say that he thinks Harry and Hermione should have ended up together
I feel like most realitically Harry would've found a nice muggle girl who doesn’t know who he is and could therefore be his safe haven away from the past and the publicity
Like the nice girl from the diner who he never got to go on that date with
That's like James Bond finding a nice plain woman to settle down with-things are always gonna come up and probably expose both of them and possibly put their lovers in danger.
My first thought when reading the books put Harry with Luna. She’s calm and genuine, and he admires her. Also, Harry is competitive, and Luna’s ‘style’ and views regarding magic are so different that there is no reasonable comparison to his.
@@greggs1067 Luna is outworldly. I love her, but I think she and Neville are a buch better fit.
@@countluke2334 That's in the movies only.
In canon, Neville marries Hannah Abbott, Luna marries Newt Scamander's great-son.
I always felt Harry and Hermione had a brother/sister relationship. They did love each other, but in a platonic way.
The way these only children and Luke and Liea acted before reveal really isn't how siblings act.
@@majormana1 That isn't the point.
Exactly!! The books never hinted on a romantic relationship between Harry and Hermione, but there were subtle hints between Ron and Hermione. Harry and Hermione always had a brother/sister bond. The Harry/Hermione shippers just want to follow the silly trope of the lead getting the girl in a friendship trio. You could even see the subtle love blooming between Harry and Ginny in the books where Ginny had much more character and life. Could never see the angle where Harry/Hermione could ever be a couple other than siblings 🤮
Ugh i kinda hate that everyone seems to go with that brother/sister thing. I have to ask is it because they're only children you go to that? Genuinely curious. Because i'm an only child and that's always bugged me that people go there. Just because we have no siblings doesnt mean we ever find friends that feel that way to us or want to for that matter. Im happy not having siblings most of the time lol. Meant it was quiet growing up lol. I have best friends who are men but never will any be like a brother. Im sorry if thats not what you meant its just always bugged me. And i love the harmony ship by the way, its my favorite one lol. For me their friendship is like how my relationship is with my husband and i love it very much. Its why i always find it weird people put that in a brother/sister category with them.
@@katew8129 We aren't exactly saying that they're like siblings, though it can be seen that way. We're saying that they have a *platonic relationship*, referring to their friendship.
This is more so Hermione having a small crush on Harry, unfortunately Harry was never interested in Hermione. This was especially obvious in book 4. Harry enjoys Hermione more when its the three of them together but when Ron breaks away and it’s just Harry and Hermione he’s not as happy and he’s bored around her. A lot of these arguments were from the movies not the books.
She doesn't have a crush on him. Literally nowhere is that obvious in the books
You sound like one of those who undermine Harry and Hermione relationship. Canon shippers do that. No matter if it's friendship, relationship or brother/sister bond whatever. In the book 3 when firebolt was taken he knew that Hermione had good intentions. Harry needs different things in friendship. He needs Hermione's support to survive and Ron for jokes. Harry was never good with emotions. Plus during that time when Harry enjoyed when it was 3 of them was because he needed Ron and Hermione. He was upset about falling out with Ron. In book 5 he was horrified when Hermione was injured.
@@klaudiagrob this has to do with romantic relationships not friendships. You sound like you didn’t watch the video...
@jayda huntley This is funny because Ron literally bullied her at the start so it kind of advocates towards, "Oh, he's only mean to you 'cause he like you!"
@@whiffynvm no he didn't. He was talking to Harry and Hermione overheard him. That's not bullying.
i dont know, i love hermione and harry as best friends. It means a lot to me to demonstrate how close a guy and girl can be as friends.
Without reading the books past prisoner of azkaban, I fully agree
Well, the same principle could have been applied to Ron and Hermione instead.
Agreed. We don't get enough proper friendships between guys and girls in media.
@@johnnyd3158 they didn't click in the way of getting eachother though. That platonic snap that happens.
@@SamanthDarling Personally, I’ve always thought that Harry and Hermione had a closer relationship and even while I was reading the books when I was younger, I actually thought that they were going to get together until the Ron/Hermione tension started to pop up out of nowhere.
if i watch this video and become converted to team harry and hermione i’ll be shocked
Even Rowling is team Harry and hermione and not Ron, now
Sarah Speelman Ron and Hermione was better imo
I did. They have CONVERTED ME!
(if you know where thats from you're golden)
Same 😂
So how’d it go?
Had to come back to this one as I've realized the entire Harry potter in Slytherin was just to prove this theory. And I love it.
even in the regular movies just look at the end of the chamber of secrets when hermione is un-petrified she hugs hary and they have a moment then she acwardly shakes hands with ron
@@lopiklatiIt’s a lot more awkward to hug someone you have a crush on than your close friend
I always liked Ginni with Harry because physically she reminded me of Harry’s mom and thought it was cute for some reason. Also it was a perfect way for all 3, Ron Hermione and Harry to become real family. But I recently changed my mind, help from a TH-cam fanfic called “In the Forrest of Dean” by T3Tohru, and now this video. 🙌 Harrmione all the way!
I've always thought Harry & Hermione were more like brother & sister. Harry never shows any romantic feelings for Hermione, though I've also never thought Harry & Ginny should have gotten together.
When I was in school, I was always hugging my guy best friends, but it was never because I was in love with them or had any feelings for them beyond friendship.
In the movie adaptation, Harry and Hermione have far more chemistry than Harry and Ginny. And Ron and Hermione for that matter. 😤
The dancing scene in the tent in 7 is way less cringe than the “open up you” cookie scene 😝
yeah i mean... the murdered ginny's character in the films, and as Ben said, Bonnie did a pretty good job with what she had. Make a tv serie/remake the films and put in a real Ginny and a real Hermione and things might change. In the films Hermione is played by Emma Watson which is far more attractive then how Hermione is supposed to be, also she doesn't show most of the negative traits book Hermione has. Book Ginny has some chemistry with Harry, while still being akward about it. Film Ginny? eh id rather forget it. Still props to Bonnie, my teenage crush
The dancing scene was one of the best scenes in the movies. Didn’t find it cringey at all
I feel like it went on for too long
Megan Elise agreed
@UCpJ5_CglxB9KNkXTNJa_j1g In the books, the buildup is way better. It starts in book 5, where Harry notices how good Ginny can play Quiditch.
Honestly the first time I read the Harry Potter books in 4th grade I genuinely thought that Harry and Hermione would end up together 😂 I was surprised that they didn’t when I found out lol
i never saw it that way i didnt know who arry would end up with but i knew it wasnt hermione
Well the author said that that was the plan originally so you weren't wrong..
Absolutely
@@jasmingovers4403 she never say that
I swear they probably just wanted to remain on the fence about which way it would go so they could do a big reveal of who actually ends up together. That's exactly what they did in Avatar the last Airbender. They set up katara with aang and zuko as possible romantic interests then pushed her towards both of them then ultimately set her up with the protagonist.
I completely disagree, I feel like the fact that Harry and Hermione are good friends is better, it also explains why they never fought, Ron and Hermione had feelings for each other and they were young so they probably didn’t fully understand it and they tried to keep it hidden since we know that Ron felt completely inferior in every way to Harry and Hermione was unimaginably shy
100% 👍
But still the trope of "Pulling Pigtails" is just dumb. Ron doesn't even consider Hermione for the yule ball till after every other option he could think of was gone. If he was so deeply in love with her, she would have been his first choice.
JK herself said that Ron and Hermione was just her forcing the characters together to fulfill a wish she had as a girl to have been with the boy she based Ron on. Its literally word of god saying "I just put them together for the lulz"
@@almightykue3914 and Harry considered Hermione as his yule ball date?? He didn't even notice her smaller teeth when she shrunk them ffs🙄
Harry says numerous times in the books that he doesn't really get along too well with Hermoine when Ron isn't around. Ron is kinda that bridge between Hermoine and Harry.
So how hermionie help harry if they don't talk did they use sign languages I am seriously curious I never read the books 🤔
@@Sasukeuchiha-dz1kv When did I say that they don't talk?
This! It's made so clear in the books without Ron, the friendship is considerably weakened. Not to say they don't like and care for each other, just that they have NOTHING in common outside of homework and whatever it is they are battling that year.
I don’t really remember any of those moments, do u remember what chapters they were in to I can read back over them
@@magentascribe7586 Idk the exact chapters but it is in book 4 when Harry and Ron aren't talking because of the jealousy thing, Book 6 when Hermoine and Ron aren't talking because of Lavender Brown, and book 7 after Ron leaves and Harry is alone with Hermoine all the time
Counter arguments:
1. Harry and Hermione both have strong wills and would frequently be at odds over who is in the driver's seat.
2. Both are largely ignorant of many aspects the wizarding world beyond Hogwarts. For example, the fact that house elves generally find liberation the equivalent of being fired.
3. The Ron of the books in not the worthless Ron of the movies.
4. I thought Luna would have been a good match for Harry. His life was dark and she is a radiant ball of quirky sunshine.
5. Hermione seems to have difficulty grasping concepts that are outside her experience, books, and preconceptions. Ron counters this by being much more adaptable.
MonsieurDeVeteran well the books even stated that the horcrux has a more prevalent effect on Ron because he had much more to loose, and was much more insecure than Harry and hermione. So the horcrux making him leave is perfectly reasonable.
These are very interesting to think about, thank you
Counterpoint to your first counterpoint, ron and hermione are both strong willed as well. The fact that they are arguing so much proves this. If ron were weaker willed than Hermione, he would have relented about Crookshanks Killing Scabbers, he wouldnt spend so much time in the books being angry with her. He would accept his fault and move on. But he holds onto it ALL THE TIME
I do think Luna and Harry could work.
@@MonsieurDeVeteran no he didn't. Your precious Harry asked him to leave. Twice. Mocked him for being concerned about his family. That's when he left. Read the books perhaps
0:15 That's not Jacob, that's Remus Lupin.
Also also actually actually, there's a theory that during half blood Molly potioned both Hermione and Harry to get them with her kids.
I wouldn't put it past her because she loved them so much wanted to make sure part of the family and do you suppose Ron and/or Ginny knows
That is one big stretch. Hermione already had feelings for Ron before HBP, and Harry started developing feelings for Ginny only after he was at the Burrow. I'm pretty sure he would've been hit with a truck instantly if he'd been slipped love potion. There were a few subtle mentions in HBP beforehand, but nothing actually happened until after they all went to Hogwarts. Also, it would mean that all of their kids turned into little Voldemorts and I mean, come on.
That would also mean that neither Ron nor Ginny were lovable enough just by being themselves. And it would mean that Molly thought her own children weren't lovable as they are. Especially her only daughter.
I think it sounds very unlikely to say the least.
thank you for coming at this ship from the book perspective. WAY too many times I've been told that because I ship Harmione I must have never read the books...when I read them at least twice a year. You even worked in my biggest hurdle against Harry and Ginny that you barely see Ginny for 4 books where Harry is busy pining after Cho
If you had actually read the books, then you wouldn't make the claim that "you barely see Ginny for 4 books".
@@stefan4159 Huh? That's 100% true though. She literally has less lines of dialogue in the first 4 books than she has in OotP alone. She definitely has more moments than she does in the films but she's far from a major or even an important secondary character, safe for her plot relevance in CoS.
@@appetizingly Always ask the question "compared to who/what?". If you were to compare to Harry, Ron and Hermione, yes, you do barely see Ginny in the first four books. But that's an unfair comparison for obvious reasons. Compared to characters like Neville, Dean, Seamus, Lavender, Parvati, Cho etc... she's as present if not more so than them. As you yourself mentioned she was very relevant in CoS, and you see her quite a bit in the first half of GoF (it's only the second half of GoF that drags the book overall down in terms of her on-page presence).
@@stefan4159 Compared to all the major secondary characters in each respective book. She's simply a really minor character for the first 4 with the exception of her already mentioned relevance to the plot in CoS.
It's really not an exaggeration to say that you barely see Ginny for the first 4 books because that's just the truth when you compare her lines of dialogue and/or direct mentions to characters like Dumbledore, the professors in general, Lockhart, Lupin, Sirius, Moody/Crouch Jr., Malfoy, Fred & George, parts of the Gryffindor Quidditch team etc.
@@appetizingly It's an inconsistent position to basically say "she's a really minor character, except when she's not". If there's a major exception like that, it surely means that she isn't a really minor character. The plot isn't something that you can just wave away and declare it inconvenient.
And by your own standards Lockhart (CoS), Lupin (PoA), Moody (GoF) would fit the same criteria you established for Ginny - relevant to the plot in one particular book, but not beyond that. But unlike them, Ginny actually has presence in the other three books. And Malfoy should rather be placed in the primary character category, you see him in practically every chapter either being involved in the plot (trying to get Harry and Ron expelled, Buckbeak executed, the CoS Shenanigans, etc.) or simply harassing the Trio any chance he can get. And parts of the Quidditch team? They are less relevant to the first four books than Ginny is. You definitely see them a lot in PS and PoA, but you don't actually get to know them the same way you do with Ginny. The only characters you'd be correct about her having less of a page presence would be Fred, George, and Sirius, but that still doesn't make Ginny a really minor character. Because by this logic I could declare Sirius a really minor character just because he was only majorly present in 3 books out of 7 (like Ginny in CoS, OotP and HBP).
I wanna reread the series just to check all the scenes pointed out.
Honestly, I wanted Hermione to end up with someone who has the same level of achievements as her because she deserves to be with someone she can just talk to about anything without hurting any egos. But my impression of her being with Ron is to keep her grounded and humble (not that she isnt) but he's there to let her relax and have a laugh. Her and Harry would be a bit more problematic because of their combined trauma and basically having no other family members to turn to.
Neshie nul sometimes she is way too egotistical and not humble like when she wouldn’t go an apologize in the 3rd book (whether or not she was right or not ) or when she attacked Ron with birds or the house elves sheinanagins (can’t spell). I agree with her but she didn’t even really take notice of other people’s opinions
That's always interesting to me because I slightly agree but my personal headcanon is that if they got together years down the line, it would work so much better. I've always maintained Harry Pre Year 7 wasn't ready for ANYONE and they both needed to grow and figure themselves out. When I ship them together, it's mostly potential. I can see them together in the future when they've both matured a bit. But I actually do agree with you a bit and can totally see where you're coming from!
You’ve left out the fact the Ginny has already confessed her crush for Harry as early as book 2. And Hermione being one of Ginnys’s best friends has already ruled out Harry as a matter of principle
I think it just comes down to the fact that harry and hermione just have more chemistry in the movies which wasn’t there with Ron and hermione and harry and Ginny.
Even the dark lord shipped them in that vision Ron had in the deathly hollows and Dumbledore when he asked Harry do you and Ms.Granger have something
Exactly
The Dumbledore scene never existed in the book. That scene was done to satisfy the wankery of every Harmony shipper because the screenwriter was an idiot.
Literal moviegoers!! Shut up! Dumbledore never said tHt in the books and the movies aren't cannon
Id have liked to but I got my mum to watch all the movies during lockdown. Without saying anything in the 2nd movie she said Ron and Hermione are going to end up together.
Its that typical high school crush theory where u are mean to the person u like or try harder to not show you actually like them so its constant skirting and awkwardness between Ron and Hermione they cant hug even in 2nd one and they are meant to be good friends she almost died yet she flings her arms around harry because to her he is no threat she sees him like a best friend a brother so its easier for her to spill her mind to him and have the deep convos.
As for Krum who was the one that confessing their love to him in the Quidditch world cup.. Ron so who would get the most mad and would notice this the most Ron.. for Cho she wants the best for him so she is just giving harry her advice like you would a brother or best friend
This comment is underrated
This comment is straight facts
Every time you said Hermione was paying attention to something she shouldn't have been. I thought as intelligent as Hermione is she pays attention to pretty much every little detail. Just one example of that in the philosophers stone when they first run into fluffy Hermione notices the trap door. She probably has edetic memory and picks up on everything she sees.
And another one is I'm ootp when she remembered dumbledores speech from mast year and ron praises her asking how she remembered that
12:27
Well yeah because she doesn’t mind Harry dating and wants to help him but doesn’t want Ron dating
12:56 Also that’s very obvious flirting
The reason I don't ship them is because they kinda act like siblings in the books and also I feel like they would be that kind of couple that you go, oh wait, you're married
It was never like that , the way they walked in godrix hollow like an old couple and Harry closed his eyes at her touch , this is not what siblings do and Romione Hinny were like that , it was like no how can you both be couple
@@dhruvbharija172 yeah in the movies that happened
When Ron says "Hermione, you're a girl" in GOF, I always read it as Ron attempting to pretend he isn't interested in her romantically. Kinda like "oh Hermione, we should go to the Yule Ball together. Totally not because I like you. It's just ... very convenient bc you're a girl and I'm a boy. Yeah, that's totally the only reason"
Harry literally never had romantic feelings for Hermione. It was only ever platonic.
You know, J.K.R have said she initially planned for it to go Harry and Hermione, instead of her and Ron?
So it's not like the assumption they would fit better has no basis. It might just be that hints were left in the books, from when she wrote/planned for H+H.
Source; a years old youtube video/ interview where J.K.R herself explained that she had planned for H and H, to end up together. Don't- sadly- remember the name/title of the video, but I'm sure it won't be too hard to find! :)
In the movies they clearly did. Although if you are talking about the books (which you mast likely are) then I agree.
Agreed.
@@sjokkoladehjerte Yeah, JK said the only reason Ron and Herm. got together was because she wanted to do something based on emotion and not logic. She decided to go on a whim because she was curious how it would be if Ron was with Herm.
@Kierstin Audrey there's no "so", it is just a factoid 🤷♀️
I've shipped Harry and Ginny since she ran out after seeing him in her kitchen in cos. Glad it worked out😂
Yes. The boy describes her in CoS as "glowing like the setting sun" and "blushing to the roots of her flaming hair". But sure, hArRy aNd gInNy cAmE oUt oF nOwHeRe iN hBp.
The way she talks to Ron is how a a girl talk to someone see me like a bit more the way she talks to Harry it's like how a sister talks to her brother caring and loving when they are concerned about them
I used to kind of agree with this, when I first learned that Harry and Ginny get together (it was spoiled for me) it kind of annoyed me for a number of reasons…. But when I read it in the 6th book I was surprised to find I actually liked it, it was pretty well done there….. still felt it lacked some build up but it was fine.
Later on I re-read the entire series and as I read through book 5 there was a moment where Ginny won me over and it became clear that they were always supposed to be together. It’s the moment at Christmas where Harry is hiding from everyone, fearful that he is being possessed by Voldemort and scared that he may end up hurting his friends, which creates a vicious circle of depression as he feels lonely and isolated, whilst scared to fix it. Ginny is the one who brings him out of his slump, she reminds him that she had been possessed by Voldemort herself, reminding Harry that she had suffered in a similar way and may well understand completely how he feels, and reassures him (after comparing notes) that he isn’t being possessed. It’s a powerful moment for her character, and is the moment that seals their future love.
Also the moment in Ootp where they were alone kn the library and harry told ginny why he was upset and she actually helped him and also they made eye contact for a while until madam pince kicked them out the library and at the end of the book there was another little moment where ron told ginny to choose a better boyfriend next time and then looked oddly at harry I think that was hinting something
Me: *Sees title and thumbnail*
Me:
Me:
Me: but ...
Ben: Harry and Ginny are awkward, and Ron and Hermione fight a lot.
Me: true...bu-
Ben: Ron x Luna
Me: O.O *gets onboard the weird train that is Ben's Harry Potter ships*
And then Ginny should be with Neville
I can see both Ron and Luna, and harry and Luna. Could be fun if they both tried to go for her
@@harperlahde2107 0.0
@@MKWilliam ooo~ l like that idea
Me the second I read the title: omg Ben 🙄
Mine was "Don't your dare!"
Mine was "WHAT THE F*CK?!?!?!?!?"
FINALLY THE MOMENT WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR I HAVEN'T EVEN WATCHED PAST THE INTRO BUT I ALREADY LOVE IT
at 14:10, and 14:15 in both the book and movie when Hermione referring to Cho with Harry "well, she just couldn't keep her eyes off of you." like in jealous way.
the first theory I dont agree with at ALL. Just finished my fourth HP reread and I love all the hints at Ron and Hermione's hidden love throughout most of the books
Harry describes Ginny's silver lining kiss as firewhiskey. Now, whiskey probably isn't related, but gin-arry, or gin-ery, as in refinery. Also realising it's only a g away from gingery.
Edit: I forgot to clarify how the name works. Simply put, by describing as alcohol, implies an intoxicating quality
Ben: Says Harmione instead of Harmony
Fanfic writers sigh in disappointment
decided to watch this again after “what if Harry was a slytherin pt4” and i think i just spoiled myself for part of the ending lol
Movies are different canon. In movies, Harry and Hermione were much closer than in books, plus from Half blood prince, she had massive crush on Ron.
Harry and Hermione are like distant siblings. Book Ginny and Harry are implied to have a relationship where they enjoy sharing laughs/ smiles together over subtle things.
Binging these from two years in the future, but here is why I think Harry and Ginny are right for each other. Well, small child me picked it up from book two, not sure how. But adult me thinks that it is because both Harry and Ginny both have experience being possessed by Voldemort.
The reason Ron and Hermione take so long about it is (in my opinion) because, despite the fact that they look like them, Harry and Ginny are not the “modern” version of James and Lily: Ron and Hermione are.
I always thought that Harry should wind up with Luna. Shes a fun, quirky character on the surface with a lot of subtle depth just below. She also understands loss, death, and probably sees things for what they are more often than not, even if she cant really explain them in a way that makes sense to most people.
The way that Hermione and Ron low-key bully each other through out the series has always bugged me. While yes, playful banter between partners is not uncommon, I get a weird vibe from how often the pair is mad at each other. Harry and Hermione’s mutual admiration for each other’s skill as wizards, as well as the way they express that they value each other’s friendship shows how they would be more comparable as partners than Hermione and Ron are.
I'm just going to assume you've never heard of this trope
I personally liked Ron and Hermione. In the first three books/movies they were just kids, but in The fourth one Ron obviously low key liked Hermione and in the half blood prince when Ron gets a girlfriend you can really tell Hermione liked him. Harry and Hermione were cute, but I feel as if they would be better and close friends. I respect your opinion though
But Ron and Luna would have been great together. I feel like they just balance each other out more then Ron and Hermione did. They’re too stubborn to be very compatible.
Anxious Dumpling well they were also teenagers, and most of the time they were truly angry, it was out of jealousy (except for Book 1, but they were 11 and had just gotten to know each other). The other times, they weren’t really angry, just disagreeing. Also, notably, Hermione has also gotten upset with Harry before, but while Ron is able to meet her where she is when she gets upset, Harry avoids confrontation (which is relatable for me lol). And they also make each other better-Ron’s influence gets Hermione to lighten up and break the rules when the situation calls for it, and Hermione’s influence causes him to be more sensitive and understanding towards others (their kiss scene in the book was initiated by Hermione after Ron expressed concern for the elves, something he’d never done before). Arguing doesn’t make a pairing toxic-in fact, it’s totally normal to have contrasting opinions and be willing to debate them with your partner! I feel like Romione would absolutely do that (Harmione would too, but I feel like Romione would do it more often and would therefore have fewer long-lasting fights, more short-lasting ones)
@@anxiousdumpling5041 It's a fairly common trope, which I hate with a passion. Imagine constantly fighting with someone you then get into a relationship with. Their relationship must be awful.
Ngl if I was in Hermione's position I would actually pick Ron. Harry is just too.. heh.. easy? Like it doesn't spark anything, he's just there like a friend. Also Hermione must like a lil challenge. She even cheated to make him win the quidditch tryouts. She had a massive crush on him and honestly maybe cuz he's the one that messes with her emotions the most. Ron can easily make her mad but also easily make her happy. He can surprise her. Harry is like expected to be a good friend and do nice stuff for people but when Ron does it she may get a lil more pleased. She may smile more when he does stuff. Ron and his fam opened her up to many things in the wizarding world and his fam accepted her and treated her like family. To stay in the burrow and have everyone be so friendly and to see Ron also treating you like you're part of the family must be really heartwarming. Also Ron kinda needs Hermione and Hermione likes to be in charge and organize things. I just don't see Hermione with Harry. Hermione can look at the perfume Ron gave her and smile because of how off he is. The book is just another book anyone could've given to her because it's obvious. And ben let's be honest we know Hermione was trying to make Ron jealous not Harry. And he did get jealous that means there was something but only Hermione picked up on it because.. she's Hermione. Also why would Hermione want to be with someone that may be a lil smarter than her. I know she looks up to him but that's it. Ron is perfect. They complete each other. I'm in the top class and always gets one of the top marks and I really don't like guys(romatically) that are smarter or even acts smart when they're not even in the top class. I like dudes who would actually treat me like a person and just be himself. Ron is a tad over dramatic and he drives her insane but that is love. I don't think Harry really sparks anything in her. Luna is one of my fav characters but her and Ron don't really mix. Hermione might be the only person that could handle him
Wholeheartedly agree
Ron + Luna
Harry + Hermione
Neville + Ginny
You better do a “Why Dolores Umbridge is actually a good person, but is just VERY misunderstood”.
*If you don’t, I will put you in detention!*
Um please no, I like cats😬
Sorry, but we must not tell lies
But, Professor, I must not tell lies
You mudbloods don’t seem very happy to hear from me? Don’t you care about how I am doing since I escaped that DREADED Azkaban!
*calling* CENTAURS!!!!!
Or maybe Harry was really just Hermione's best friend....that is why she acted that way towards him. To be honest I could see them as a couple and a very formidable couple at that but I see and appreciate them as best friends too with no romantic complications. That was one thing when reading the books and watching the movies I really appreciated it because I can relate to having male friends as just best friends or even brother figures...breaking that stereotype and story/movie troupe. In the end... I can see and understand both points when it comes to those two characters. But what I do not like is this behaviour...(not really from you Ben lol ) from many in the fandom who belittle Ron and sometimes even Ginny as if their characters aren't worthy of the mighty Hermione or Harry.
in terms of other ships
At one point I thought Harry and Luna would have gotten together.
Ginny and Dean
Hermione and Viktor Krum
Luna and Neville
Yes. Ginny and Ron bashing is baked into the Harry/Hermione community, and that's one of the reasons the ship and its fanbase is disliked across the fandom.
But that’s the thing of course Harry & Hermione don’t have to be together, but the fact that Hermione and Ron are is what he’s saying. The chemistry isn’t there. Bet they got a divorce I’m calling it 💆🏼♀️
@@BenUltimate10 oh but they are happily married still now. What a random fan on internet thinks doesn't automatically make it canon lol
I'm so so sorry Ben but the argument about her keeping tabs on her friend's love lives is just your typical teen girl level of observation.
We may not always comment on these things but we see them. It may not be a thing that's our business or it may not be a thing we're involved in but the moment it becomes important or relevant, THEN we'll comment on it. I noticed my 2 friends were into each other 3 months before they got together and I waited until my friend was comfortable talking to me about it before saying a word. Girls are always observing like that. It's very typical teenage girl behavior.
Gosh, I never really noticed or cared about that stuff. As a teenager or young adult.
Yes!!!! 👏👏👏
exactly
I think a significant part of the popularity of this theory comes down to the fact that Daniel Radcliffe and Emma Watson have amazing chemistry on screen. Rupert and Emma just don't share that same energy
There is sooooo many more moments through out the book for romione !!!!!! And it is clear that Hermione has feelings for Ron from POA and look at their fight after the Yuleball! How can you interpret that any different
Parvati: She looks beautiful
Harry: (talking about Cho) Yes, she does
*camera zooms in on Harry as he takes in Hermione’s beauty*
IMO: camera should’ve zoomed in on Ron here. Sends the wrong message to those who hadn’t read the books
I hate the movies.
I’ve shipped this since I read the books
Me too. I hated it when she married Ron and he married Ginny.
I can only imagine what you felt like during the kiss -_-
Same, i nearly threw my book when i read Ron and Hermione kiss. I screeched watching it also
We listened to “Harry, A History” by Melissa Anelli, where The Author basically said that the rabid shipping made her change from the HH ship to the RH ship. Maybe just to be contrary.
I haven't read it, but from what I remember about her, Melissa Anelli was always a canon shipper, but more moderate in her statements about it compared to Emerson Spartz. Do you have any quotes that would indicate that she was H/Hr at first?
@@stefan4159 I had meant JKR changed her mind at seeing the rabid nature of the shippers, not MA. Looking at the 2005 Muggle Net interview, it seems like I must be misremembering. Of course, it has been almost 15 years since the book came out and more than 10 since I heard the book-on-tape.
Jk was trying to write Hermione Ron like a typical teenage thing where they act mean to each other only because they actually loved each other.
As someone who was in this kind of relationship in my teen years: THIS NEVER WORKS, relationships need to have respect to work, something that neither have for each othe in the books and the movies
@@biancasol4222 they always argued because they had mutual respect for each other and it never felt personal to either of them. Hermione was happy because Ron was the only person to call her out for stuff he doesn’t agree with. Even Harry thought about disagreeing but didn’t want to tell her.
So your totally gonna ignore the fact that Ron always Defended, supported and comforted Hermione. He was even willing to get tortured instead of her
@@biancasol4222 and anyway they did respect eachother . but harry did get annoyed with hermione as well just not as much as ron
@@_natya harry would do the same but harry was able to stay calm qwhich ron couldnt do over his love
Ron ending up with Hermione just makes 0 sense. Comes completely out of nowhere which is without even mentioning the dozens of reasons through the first 5 books why it could never possibly happen. Harry and Hermione doesn’t make any sense either but even still is infinitely more likely than Ron.
Ron and Hermione's relationship was literally hinted at since Goblet of Fire at the very latest.
I dont know, this felt really really biased 😂
There were also parts in the books that indicated that they wouldnt fit aswell. In book 4 when Harry and Ron are not talking to each other Harry says that the time when Hermione is your best friend just isnt as much fun, just a lot sitting in the library. Harry doesnt even seen to think about the idea that Hermione could be his girlfriend when Rita Skeeter is making up that story. And of course later in book 7 he says he only loves her as a sister. Those are the ones that come to my mind right now.
And the movies did all the Harry Hermione thing because she was the favorite character of the director right. He gave her Rons lines to let her look like Harrys best friend.
I would have preferred the ending if none of those relationships would have endet in marriage. Have a romantic relationship while school and probably some difficulties considering their friendship while and after, sure, would have loved to read something like this as a teenager.
But how many relationships do you know that start in school and last so long... but maybe thats a wizards world thing.
I am married to my highschool sweetheart. We have been married for 11 years and have two wonderful children together. It's not actually that weird.
It always felt to me that unless Hermione was specifically doing something that directly involved Harry, that he could not care less what she's up to. Where as Ron does focus a lot on Hermione no matter what she`s doing. Like him noticing her winky class schedule in POA. Or him pretty much knowing what her Bogart would be. Just to name a couple of examples.
i know a lot of people married to their highschool sweethearts but, I come from a small town and the people who married out of high school never moved away. Just a smaller community with fewer options i guess. I would say it is the same with the wizarding world, a small community with fewer options. So, it seems pretty realistic for me. For people who live in large communities, i'd imagine it would be weird.
@ You are wrong. Steve Kloves admits that Hermione was his favourite character.
3:01 When he said "What...?" It had me dying the whole time.
Even when I tried to keep a straight face, it still had me laughing lol
Yeah but these are common tropes in romantic subplots Hermione argues with Ron because she loves to argue and Ron won’t take it personally and she’s mean to Ron because that is a common trope in writing to have romantic partners be rude to each other
It’s weird trying to think of hermione and Harry being together because they seem more like brother and sister. They are just the ultimate two best friends with nothing going on idk that’s just me. I like that Ron and hermione are together because it’s like Ron gets to have something he doesn’t have share or give up to his siblings or even Harry. Ron and Harry are the good cliche where they are the two best friends of the main character who are always arguing and bickering at each other and somehow end together at the end. We see with icarly characters with sam and Freddy (I know random but that was the first thing I thought of) idk it’s just me I prefer Ron with hermione, Harry with draco, and Luna with Ginny ✊🏾✊🏾😂😂
Gotta say I love Ron/Hermione but I always thought Harry would end up with Luna. She seems like just the kind of oddball that would compliment his determination and straight-forwardness. (Granted when I read book 1 when I was young I totally thought Harry/Hermione would be a thing.)
Omg, me too!
She also was the only one who truly understood what he was going through in order of the phoenix with witnessing death and being called a freak by the masses
Personally, I always read Hermoine's interest in and reaction to Harry's lovelife as disproving Harmoine. She can be much more compassionate and understanding of Harry's obliviousness as opposed to Ron's cause she has no horse in that race, so to speak, and so she just talk about it with him as a friend, with his best interests in mind. In a lot of ways, she's an amazing wingwoman, giving him the confidence to go after Cho, helping him understand why Cho cried after the kiss, she gets Ginny to stop fangirling in a way that was clearly making Harry uncomfortable, keeps "the chosen one" from being manipulated by people who only want him for status, etc. Hermoine is shown to be more romantically savvy than either Ron or Harry, but it's only Harry she decides to help in this way, she lets Ron blunder his way into constant availability. Finally, I think a large part of why Harry and Hermoine's relationship is so great is that it's not tainted by teenage romantic tension as written by J.K. Rowling.
Yea it could do either way
Sir novetly logic:yeah i ship them too
I agree 100%. I've always looked at Hermione and Harry's relationship as a Brother and Sister. Neither of them have siblings and I always felt that is what they considered each other to be. Now Hermione and Ron always argued like an old married couple. I knew from the Chamber of Securities that they would end up together, and this was even before the Goblet of Fire was even out. It just felt natural.
Precisely
For me, Harry and Ginny was amazing in the books, but Harry and Hermione should be together in the movies bc Harry and Ginny was horribly awkward in the movies and they ruined Ron in the movies.
Harry was awkward with every girl in the movies. Especially hated the scenes with Cho.
Omg I think the same thing!!
I absolutely agree with you
It didn't help that they never really did anything with Ginny in the movies, like they did with the books. She feels more fleshed out in the books then in the movies.
Agreed
The more I think about the Half Blood Prince feeding and shoe tying the more disturbing it becomes.
@@karensolano3159 because the cringe Level was beyond the scale
Unimaginable cringe
Those 2 scenes should be considered international tragedies
Exactly! Those were the cringiest moments in the entire HP film series. The cringe level literally broke the scale and is still going. If I’d read the books first and then watched the movies, I would never even be able to imagine Ginny feeding Harry a cookie and tying his shoe laces. But, here we are, with those exact scenes making themselves into the movie!
The movies should have never added those scenes.
*The HP Fandom when the Shipping War ended:* memories of the war had not pained fans for years...all was well.
*The HP fandom when they see this video:* why do I hear boss music?
the war never really finished
@@foxes321 true we just shoved them into a closet hoping that would be enough lol
how foolish
Lord have mercy...
This kinda sound like harry potter and the cursed child's plot , replacing love and war
war never changes, only the weapons which we use
The shoe-tying scene is kind of cute when you realise that Daniel Radcliffe has dyspraxia and he struggles with laces, even as an adult.
How funny would it be if that wasn't actually scripted but something they accidentally caught on camera and decided to add in
That is actually kinda cute then.
@@balicard342
In the movie, its awkward. But if what you say was true, that would be really sweet actually.
I also have dyspraxia and was thinking this.
@@theunicornenthusiast7194 You're too much 😂😂
"Hermione, you're a girl"
*visible annoyance*
"Ron, it's... it's a miracle!"
*(Grabs Ron's head)*
"YOU HAVE EYES!!!"
@@insertclevernamehere1186 I love this! all the lols
And now, Inside Harry's mind
"Ron, what have you done?"
Visible heteronormativity.
Seems like I would say to a girl that I like XD
They really did a disservice to Ginny’s character in the movies. They cut out some of her best lines and moments
Same with Ron.
I completely agree, I feel like the majority of people that think Harry and Hermione should be together are either the people that have only watched the movies or haven’t reread the books to see how perfect Harry and Ginny are for each other (should go without saying, but this is my opinion and I’m not saying this is how everyone is or that this is how everyone should think)
Both Ron/Hermione and Harry/Ginny were DESTROYED along with Ron and Ginny in the movies. The film makers pushed the harry/Hermione ship.
Michael Henson In my opinion Ginny from the books was barely a character herself. You say they cut some of her lines... she barely had any. JKR failed to develop her in a good way, having seemingly forgot about her from books 3-4 and rushed to implement her from onwards.
@@tryhardapple2157 Do you think that Neville and Luna are well developed characters?