The fact that hermoine is the one that was in the lake for Krumm is quite sad… they didn’t even know each other very well. Victor probably has a really sad life
To be fair he was a world famous athlete at the age of 16/17. So yeah, I imagine his life would be very isolating between constant quidditch training and trying to parse out who is trying to get close to him for his fame vs for him
I’m thinking that the person they took had to be at Hogwarts. Maybe he has people he loves at home but they’re not going to go all the way to Bulgaria to take someone for the triwizard cup.
They killed Ginny's character in the movies. She was not anything I had imagined her to be. Bonnie Wright was perfect for Ginny's actress. I just wish they had given her more justice.
Really? I didn't see a difference between Ginny in books and movies. I didn't pay attention to her. She was a background character for me. Like she's there but oh well. So I was surprised when she got together with Harry. Unless she did something major. I know what she did like with magic, boyfriends, Ron's little sister and chamber of secrets. Maybe she was a major character. Maybe she even was silent help in trio. I have a big problem when she said that Harry would never be happy if he won't hunt Voldemort. Its not like he could have walked away from this.
@@klaudiagrob In the books she was charismatic, fun, confident, like a younger female version of fred and goerge (just not a prankster). She has many great quotes, jokes and is in many scenes. In the movies she is awkward, quiet, and just awful to watch. Thye killed her character.
Ginny in the books basically live by her quote "living with fred and George you start to think anything's possible if you've got enough nerve Ginny in the movie is basically never there only becomes Important in the 6 movie and is really awkward Ginny was such an amazing witch in the books and the movies kinda made her this 2 dimensional love interest who doesnt do much half the time Unrelated but I also hate what they did to Ron
Exactly! Those were the cringiest moments in the entire HP film series. The cringe level literally broke the scale and is still going. If I’d read the books first and then watched the movies, I would never even be able to imagine Ginny feeding Harry a cookie and tying his shoe laces. But, here we are, with those exact scenes making themselves into the movie!
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I only recently watched the series, from Sorcerer's Stone to Deathly Hallows parts 1 and 2 (waiting to part 2 till tomorrow). I was honestly surprised when it turned out she liked Ron instead. I was never really into Harry Potter, but I was always under the impression that Harry and Hermione were a thing.
@@keep_calm_and_love_finction for the record, I mainly never watched Harry Potter because of my grandmother on my dad's side. She didn't want me watching it because of all the witchcraft and whatnot, and according to the Holy Bible witchcraft is an abomination. Though if you think about it, there're a couple clips/scenes that make it look/seem like she's a thing for Harry.
in war when Ron and Hermione was in the chamber i think it was just a spontaneous moment in time if it was Harry instead of Ron it would end up the same if i want to treat this as a possibility that they could end up together, and i think also ginny would be a good pick is bc Ron and harry are best friends and more like brothers honestly so it wouldn't be to far fetch that harry would end up with ginny bc of the connection he has on the family, but i always thought that harry and Hermione were more like brother and sister since they have a similar life they could relate in a way
For me, Harry and Ginny was amazing in the books, but Harry and Hermione should be together in the movies bc Harry and Ginny was horribly awkward in the movies and they ruined Ron in the movies.
It didn't help that they never really did anything with Ginny in the movies, like they did with the books. She feels more fleshed out in the books then in the movies.
I completely agree, I feel like the majority of people that think Harry and Hermione should be together are either the people that have only watched the movies or haven’t reread the books to see how perfect Harry and Ginny are for each other (should go without saying, but this is my opinion and I’m not saying this is how everyone is or that this is how everyone should think)
Michael Henson In my opinion Ginny from the books was barely a character herself. You say they cut some of her lines... she barely had any. JKR failed to develop her in a good way, having seemingly forgot about her from books 3-4 and rushed to implement her from onwards.
I was very much okay with Ginny not even crossing Harry's mind until around the fifth book. It was the point. The way her brothers talked about Ginny before made no sense up until then. They were talking about a strong-willed, sharp-tongued sister who also got into trouble. But around Harry she was so tongue-tied, he never had a chance to see her real self. It was only after she got over her debilitating crush and acted like herself around him that Harry was able to even realize he might be interested in her romantically. And I thought that was an important point to make.
oh my god yessss! when we got to see more of Ginny and how amazing and sassy she was, Harry was seeing it too! this doesn't really have to do with your comment but i think the fact that she is Ron's sister is kinda perfect too, making Harry OFFICIALLY part of the Weasley family, feels so important to me. Harry had always seen Ron and Hermione as the siblings he never had and this way they all literally are his brother and sister. that type of love feels stronger to me too and definitely solidifies how permanent their bond is.
That’s a really good argument but I feel that they should have involved her more in the early books for that to makes sense, so that you got to see that slow change. If we were able to see that then it would be less confusion about why their relationship wasn’t a thing before the later books. This is probably not the movies fault, most likely it’s the books.
@@olleaberg7271 In the books' defence I have to say that before the fifth book and especially in the years 3 and 4 at Hogwarts, Harry was rather busy solving mysteries and not being murdered ^^ Plus, he only really started getting interested in girls at the age of 14. And everything is told from his perspective after all.
@@DarkLordGanondorf190 good point but I didn’t mean that they should have involved her as a romantic character, just as a side character like Neville was in the first books. That would result in a nice and slow transition from friend to good friend to relationship. Then he wouldn’t need to be interested in her before 14 and at the same time she would have a bigger role in the early story.
Nailed it. When I read the books, I thought Harry and Hermione had way more chemistry than Ron and Hermione. Plus, Ron was a drama queen. As a professor, I know a ton of highly intelligent women and none would put up with Ron's drama.
Even if Ron and Hermione aren't meant to be together, that doesn't mean that Harry and Hermione should be together, considering that Harry and Ginny are a completely perfect match, at least in the books (the movies are a different story). It's not a zero sum game: Hermione could have found love with some Ravenclaw, and Ron could have ended up with Lavender or Luna. And why do you put the blame on Ron for the troubles that their relationship went through? Hermione has her fair share of responsibility for their fights, except of course for the Yule Ball where Ron is unquestionably in the wrong. And besides, you'd be surprised by how many girls identify with Hermione and yet love Ron as a character and vastly prefer Ron/Hermione over Harry/Hermione.
what books did you read? Harry was in Rons side most of the time, had lots of mean thoughts about her and when it was just the 2 of them (GoF) he was bored. When Ron left them in 7, they were both miserable, didn't grow closer at all... and Harry was never attracted to her, Not once
Agreed, even as I was reading the books way back when they came out, and they were still little kids, I just wanted Harry and Hermione to end up together. It seemed to me that they had similar temperaments. Not that that's how people fall in love or anything - maybe it was just my preference. I would have loved to see Ron and Luna get together - I think I felt that a lot of fun, comedic moments would ensue if they did.
@ThanhNguyen-wv4tx Bruh, your understanding is from wish because the commenter said they had better chemistry, which doesn't necessarily mean romantic chemistry.
You say Ron didn't seem to notice she was someone he could like until like book 4, but Harry never even considered it. You only focused on Hermione's possible feelings for him. She was always his best friend and he loved her, but even if she had a crush on him, he never returned those feelings.
He literally said “She’s like my sister. I love her like a sister and I reckon she feels the same way about me. It’s always been like that.” The ‘feels the same way about me’ is probably because Harry is not observant, like AT ALL, but this proves that he wouldn’t be interested in a romantic relationship. Your comment deserves way more attention.
I never liked that recurring thing of 3 main characters who are best friends, then 2 of them end up together and the other 1 ends up with someone else. It feels strange because it sort of undeniably and inevitably makes the friend that ends up with someone else, a third wheel and it makes me think that friend will always be considered slightly less important to the 2 friends that end up together. I also just find it kinda weird that Harry ends up with his best friends little sis while his 2 best friends end up together,
The great thing about their friendship is actually that they're all the third wheel. Harry or Hermione talk about muggle things, Ron asks if they're talking about a disease. Harry's the Chosen One. Hermione just doesn't understand Ron and Harry's guy talk. While you're right, Ron and Hermione ending up together does make Harry a little more of a third wheel, until that point, they were all the third wheel.
I think it's way more weird for Angelina Johnson to date George after Fred passed away. It so freaking weird, on so many levels, to date the twin brother of your dead boyfriend.
Also about the third wheel thing one thing I love about the way ron and Hermione's relationship played out is that they didn't actually end up kissing and getting together until the last few chapters. If it happened say at the start of deathly hallows harry would've been awkward third wheel the whole time but I feel like the pacing prevented that
As a man who has had lots of really good female friends, there can be an intimacy that can look like romantic love. But really it’s platonic love, a sibling love. A love that is probably more pure because no lust is involved. I think Hermione sees Harry as the brother she always wanted and Harry sees the sister he never had.
@Jeremiah Boyer , I'm a gay woman with about 5 very close decades long friendships with men. I love them very much, respect and admire them - and have thought many times this could happen because in all cases we both knew there was no he/she thing going on. Just people who really dig each other.
I completely feel the same way, I am a dude with only a few guy friends, plus most of my female friends do like boys(some like girls too) so I always get "shipped" with them. But I also got called gay when walking with my brother,so I think that people are just "ship happy"
Could not agree more. All that describes my relationship with my best friend (who I've always considered like a close sister). I'm not into her (although I know objectively she might be my type if not for the friendship we have) and her having recently coming out as a lesbian, I know she's definitely not into *me* that way. But regardless, in high school friends used to always ship us because we were so close and spent every minute we could together. If she were a dude, nobody would've questioned it. But because we were of opposite sexes and everyone knew I was straight and she'd only dated guys to that point, they all assumed we must be secretly into each other because double standards
I gotta be honest - the fact that Harry and Hermione did *not* get together I thought was one of the best things of the series. How many other stories have Main Boy and Main Girl who are just friends and find love somewhere else? The fact that she avoided writing a love triangle into a story with 3 heroes was great.
I never understood Ron and Hermione, not because they fought a lot, but because it felt, weird, I guess. I've always liked Harry and Hermione as a couple because they're more calm and at ease with each other.
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Yeah the constant fighting was a huge no for me. In the beginning it made sense but after 6 yrs that should’ve gone away. I didn’t see them as compatible. She didn’t need to end up with Harry but Ron was also a bad choice.
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@flower I hope I don't offend anyone with this but this is something that has always bothered me so please let me ask why do shipper never seem to consider the canon sexuality of the characters?
“'Miss him?' said Harry. 'I don’t miss him.' But this was a downright lie. Harry liked Hermione very much, but she just wasn’t the same as Ron. There was much less laughter and a lot more hanging around in the library when Hermione was your best friend." -Harry Potter (Goblet of Fire)
Thanks!! There's so many instances of Harry just not being able to be alone with Hermione, they wouldn't work out at all, they work out as a friendship, but it's clear Harry sees Hermione as a sister. Ron and Hermione can't be apart, we saw that in book seven and even in book one even Harry thought Hermione was annoying
also harry and hermione barely speak to each other after ron leaves them together in the tent. you’d think this would be prime time to get together if they actually any feeling for each other
The thing that I noticed about Ron and Hermione is that they enjoy arguing with each other. I don’t mean the big fights in books 3 and 4, but the little fights throughout the book. It doesn’t seem that way from Harry’s POV, but judging from the other two’s personality’s, it’s clear they enjoy a good argument. Ron is the only one who actually gives that to Hermione. Harry just shrinks when Hermione tries to start an argument. And I really, really like that Harry and Hermione can just be close friends without dating
I totally agree! I do not know why people need to force every male-female protagonist into a couple. Harry and Hermione show the same love siblings would.
Yeah I feel like the problem with ron and hermione's chemistry is mostly writing based, I don't think Rowling quite succeeded in showing that kind of love-hate banter and instead made it vaguely worrying that they seem to genuinely dislike each other at times
In all honesty, I think one of the biggest reasons we see such a strong case for Harry and Hermione as a couple (which is called Harmony in the fandom, btw. Yes I'm one of them) is less to do with the (checks timestamp) 17+ minutes of extremely obvious chemistry they have, though that is something that's hard to ignore, and more that Rowling seems to fall strongly in favor of the "Bicker with your Crush" school of romantic thought. Harry and Ginny's awkward, somewhat stunted relationship aside, there's no other easy way to explain Ron and Hermione's budding romance while maintaining any semblance of internally-consistent logic without having to resort to explaining all their bickering and fighting and general mutual abrasion by any other means. It's either that they secretly have a crush on each other the whole time... or they're just extremely incompatible and yet somehow end up together with multiple kids. The problem with this is that I think the mindset of bickering with a crush because said person is just so hyper-focused on them that every little misstep is blown out of proportion (and thus the end result of that is bickering and arguing) is actually not all that representative of how real relationships work, but is *especially* pervasive in fiction and fantasy. We even see it pop up in the Pokemon anime with Ash and Misty, even though they're not all that close in age and nothing ever actually comes of it. People nevertheless seem to think that two friends bickering constantly and picking on each other is a *clear sign* that they're secretly pining after one another, which just doesn't seem to hold up all that often in the real world. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it would certainly explain why there are so many people contrasting that relationship in particular with the hypothetical Harmony ship. The argument isn't even that hard to make: Ron and Hermione bicker constantly, have almost polar opposite interests, treat academics (something we know is absolutely *integral* to Hermione's self-identity) in completely opposite ways, and in general just seem to largely be friends with each other because of their mutual friendship with Harry. Ron, it seems, was perfectly capable of dismissing Hermione as a know-it-all bookworm until he *literally went through a life-or-death situation with her*, after which he almost begrudgingly accepts her as a friend once she *takes the blame for the entire troll situation despite it having nothing to do with her*. Remember, she didn't go seek out the troll, she was crying in the bathroom completely unaware of the troll *because Ron hurt her feelings so badly that she skipped dinner*. Simply the fact that the above isn't present in Harry's relationship with her speaks volumes to the quality of the potential romance between them. I wouldn't be surprised if people simply couldn't accept that Ron and Hermione would *ever* work out romantically, and thus the next most obvious thing is the surprisingly well-supported Harmony ship. You don't need to look all that hard to find example after example of ways in which Harry and Hermione work well together, and suddenly it seems kind of strange that Hermione ended up with *anybody* else. To get back to the initial point about Hermione and Ron being written more from Rowling's perspective of "bicker with your crush", the overall point here is that it isn't as much that Harry and Hermione just have *that strong* of a case going for the two of them getting romantically involved, but rather that in an effort to try and foreshadow Ron and Hermione's mutual feelings for each other, Rowling inadvertently created an extremely polarizing relationship: Either the reader is completely on board with the bickering-means-romantic-feelings explanation and successfully views it as foreshadowing of the eventual romantic payoff in the last two books, OR the reader sees it as a litany of incompatibilities that might eventually bleed into the romance, and then the fact that they start spiraling into a romance with each other seems like a last-minute out-of-nowhere addition for sake of subverting the "Hero gets the girl" trope. Basically TL;DR it's not so much that Harry and Hermione are so compatible, but rather that you either agree with Rowling presenting Ron and Hermione as a bickering-means-feelings relationship OR you see it as a strong counterexample to their romantic compatibility and Harry/Hermione is the next best thing.
@@JordanDelp Wow yeah I don't remember writing all this. TLDR is that the fandom probably didn't go for Harry and Hermione so much because they're so compatible, there's lots of examples in the books of their incompatibilities, but because if you already don't buy into Ron and Hermione nor Harry and Ginny because of their other incompatibilities, it's sort of the next most obvious option. Once you're there, of course, you find that they actually do have a lot of good complementary traits, but that's sort of a perk rather than the point a lot of the time.
@@robertsteffler5155I liked it, it was a very good analysis and breakdown. I do think it's worth mentioning that each time Ron leaves the group (mad at Harry in book 4, storms out book 7), the loss is extremely felt. Harry mentions in book 4 that he likes Hermione very much, but she's just not as good company as Ron. "Spend a lot less time laughing and a lot more time in the library." There are many nights where they barely talk to each other in book 7, depressed at Ron's absence. Ron and Hermione "bicker" a lot, but they both seem to enjoy picking each other's brains. It's Harry that doesn't like the constant debating.
The most ridiculous thing about hte whole harry hermoine relationship is that we are in harry head like we know how he feels what he thinks he never thinks about hermoine romantically in seven years
TBH that's the only reason why Harry/Hermione doesn't work. It's quite obvious from the books that Hermione worships Harry, to the point of being willing to sacrifice her life for him. It's just unfortunate for her that he has a thing for redheads. (I've always shipped H/Hr, but this imbalance pretty much guarantees to me that they will never be together).
MusicalBasics Hermione absolutely DOES NOT worship Harry. The trio creates a family with unbreakable bonds. She definitely appreciates his talent as a wizard but worship? No.
MusicalBasics worships him? I would make the argument she pity’s his life as a big sister would pity their little brother, it’s also worth reminding that Harry and Hermione don’t have siblings and I believe that they fill that void for each other. I would also argue that Ron is at least willing to challenge Hermione in how she thinks and acts whereas Harry just kind of puts up with her as is, even going so far as to avoid her when Ron is not around. All further proof that there are no romantic feelings between Harry and Hermione. They are simply best friends/siblings who grow to love each other in a non romantic way.
I love how close Hermione and Harry are without it being romantic. It was really meaningful to me growing up seeing a wonderfully intimate BUT platonic friendship between them.
Yep, and there's only a certain amount of time that a relationship of that kind can work . . . by adulthood, that, in my experience, does not work at all.
I like it, but in my experiences, it is NOT realistic. Anytime I spend any alone time with male friends they get the wrong idea. And I truly don’t do anything different with them than any other friend. If I even text or talk to them more often they start to get feelings. Girls and guys can be friends but it seems like there is always a limit.
When I was reading the books for the first time, I was waiting for Harry and Hermione to be together only to be utterly disappointed in Harry’s girlfriend choice. IT WAS LEADING UP TO THE MOMENT SO WELL!!!!!!!!!!
Bonnie Wright is such an amazing person and she did what she could, but the directors have CONSISTENTLY taken away from other characters in order to boost up Hermione. I love her, but they made her wayyyyy too perfect in the movies and took a lot away from both Ron and especially Ginny.
it real sad even the movie Kloves didnt write for which was OotP the book where ginny has her coming out party and really comes into her own they took all of her bright moments away and just cut them instead giving her very little other then her skill with reducto
@Anything From The Trolley Dears? yeah that's fine, still funny that movie Hermione said that. I've read the books a few times when I was a teen, but not thoroughly enough to know every line that is and isn't from the book
I feel Ron was more caring in a way in the books. In the movies he has his moments but I never saw him ever be too emotional with Harry. I know it's a movie and you only have so much time to fit things in and they did a great job don't get me wrong usually book to movie adaptations are horrible it's just they fleshed out Hermione and Harry's relationship so much that they didn't go deeper into Harry and Ron's. Even Ron and Hermione had a lot more moments than Ron and Harry. It's just a little nit pick though.
Steve Kloves and David Yates are the reason Ginny and Harry's relationship is ruined in the films. They took away all of Ginny's charisma, fire, and agency. They chose to replace the kiss after the quidditch match and the kiss on harry's birthday with feeding Harry, shoe-tieing, and a weird short kiss in front of George: disgraceful choices
Steve Kloves also messed up Ron and Hermione's characters. Movie Ron is ...well, utterly useless, and all his good parts have been given to Hermione. and Movie Hermione is pretty much generic mary sue no.14864
I remember being so disappointed / upset when Harry and Hermione didn’t end up together. I felt like JK wrote it the way she did to keep them all together. It always felt forced and not genuine to me. I was so happy when JK finally admitted that Harry and Hermione should’ve ended up together.
@@eamonlyons8069it was at the beginning, but all, including the author, said that it was a mistake and that harry & hermione should‘ve ended up together.
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Finally, one i disagree with. Harry and Hermione always seemed to have more like sibling love. I knew in book 1 that Ron and Hermione were going to be together because of how awkward they seemed in the beginning. Like they were both trying to figure out their friendship. They grew into their relationship. Hermione seemed to have feelings for Ron first and was just waiting for Ron to figure it out.
@@spindleproops Harry and ginny were obviously going to get to together since book two came out i understand why harry didn't realise what he felt until his sixth year and
i just think there is a lot of hermione and ron we missed due to it being Harry's perspective. They spent a lot of time in his shadow. Plus Hermione's friend Ginny kinda has a thing for Harry
Exactly. We only ever see Hermione and Ron when they're with Harry and it would make sense that he mostly relay to the reader the negative or dramatic interactions. Dramas fun and more interesting to read. I mean who would want to read seven books of Harry telling the reader about how Ron and Hermione are sitting quietly talking or doing homework all the time. That's boring.
I hadn't thought about this.. Being that it is all, more or less, from Harry's perspective.. did the fights that Hermione and Ron have really go as badly as we thought? Were they really as big as they were shown to be?
@@mckenziecampbell4418 Yes.. because it was the writers inflections on them. These are not real people so what info we get is the info that is available. As for the having the time of their lives they where 13 and got to go outside of the school virtually unsupervised and there shops, sweets, etc that was brand new. If I take two siblings to Disney World and they come back having had the time of their lives.. should we be thinking the kids are into each other?
@@almightykue3914 You are contradicting your own argument. If two kids hugs each other means they are into each other? One could interpret Harry and Hermione relationship as platonic/romantic. It was a endless argument. But Romione relationship is strictly romantic.
The dance scene with Harry and Hermione in the movie is so well done. It made me cry the first time i watched it. The actors have chemistry with each other, you don't feel that with emma and rupert or Daniel and Bonnie.
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@@putraduha3176 Sure, but there's a difference, at least thematically, because Harry is the main guy. The best friend argument against Harry/Hermione works better than against Ron/Hermione because Harry is main guy and Hermione is main girl. There is no imbalance in the Trio with R/Hr, but there is one with H/Hr.
Nah. They had soo much chemistry that I couldn’t see them as friends. I see Luna and Harry as friends because that’s how friends act together. Me and my gf of 5 years practically had the same relationship as Harry and hermione as far as chemistry goes now that I think about it 😂😂😂
Even though i ship Harmione- lemme just say that: I wish the trio didnt ended up with one another. Like Ron and Hermione or Harry with Hermione. It felt like splitting the trio apart. If one of them ended up together, it doesnt feel like a trio anymore. Plus,when Ron and Hermione is dating, Harry said he felt lonely. He doesnt have any other closer friends than the two, and with the two dating, Harry felt even more secluded. Same reason why i think even though i ship Harmione, they shouldnt ended up together because Ron will felt that way. Best case scenario: None of the trio ended up together and each of em marry someone else yet still be close friends even when adults.
My love for Hermione and Harry's relationship is that it ISN'T romantic. They have an incredibly strong platonic bond, and they don't need to be romantic to love each other.
YES! Same!! I’m so glad they didn’t end up together. And I stand firm that Ron loved her from the beginning. The more I read the books, I pick up on subtle things he does and I really think that was why he picked on her so much in the beginning.
For the films I can see the argument, they give her arguably Ginny's best moment from the book to her. She brings him out of his isolation and depression, something that Ginny does in the books.
@@intergalactic92 Nah, I like 'em in the books. I am not usually thinking about the Potter films 'cos everytime I do I get sad at the wasted potential if they just ADAPTED IT PROPERLY. Sorry.
Here’s the thing. I have a similar friendship with two guys. The one I’m not secretly in love with, I am freely affectionate and tell him I love him (as a friend). We vibe well and get along perfectly. The one I AM secretly in love with I am not as quick to embrace him and we also mock each other often; sometimes brutally. So, I think that might be human nature?
I was thinking about this too. I'd say people are projecting by nature, so e.g. when they hug someone who they don't secretly crush on, they don't give it a second thought (because friends hug each other so just showing affection). When it is someone they do have a crush on, it's always wondering 'Did I hug them too quickly, for too long, is it obvious how I really feel etc'. They're more guarded with their emotions because they're hiding how they feel. At least that's my experience :D
Is Hermione helping set Harry up with other girls really a sign of feelings for him? I think she cares about him a lot in an older sister sort of way and is like “oh jeez this poor boy needs my help with dating” Hermione is meaner to Ron about dating because she’s into him and wants him to notice.
@@shinekuelsword2412 some of those examples are great points, other examples make me wonder what kind of weird repressed no-touch siblingship the people arguing it is not like siblings, have. I hug my brother more than my sister, even, because I see him more often. That's the advantage of siblings, even: they aren't boys or girls first and foremost. They are your siblings above all else (if you are lucky and don't suffer antagonism).
@@shinekuelsword2412 I see this argument popping up quite often as of recently, but has it not occurred that 1) Harry and Hermione are aware that they're not _actual_ siblings 2) that Harry is the younger brother and Ron is the older brother and 3) that different personalities mesh with each other in different ways and thus interact differently? Of course some of them read weirdly, just like it would read weirdly if you switched other combinations. That doesn't mean that Harry and Hermione aren't _like_ siblings in that they relate to each other as such.
@@shinekuelsword2412 switch Dudley petunia or narcissa draco with molly Ron. Then read the books. And come back to me. It will feel cringey af. Why? Does that mean Molly Ron aren't child-parent?? They are something different?? 😂😂😂😂 what a load of rubbish. Each and every person shares a completely different dynamic with other people. Ron is not like Harry. Ginny is not like Hermione. Ofcourse it would look odd if we replace them as Ron and Ginny share a different dynamic than harry and Hermione.
Their crush was set in the first book, it was so clear since the start. She even throw tantrums all the time to Ron to notice her. They even spend a lot of time together without harry, hermione wrote a letter to harry in book 3 that constantly speak about ron, he was so visible upset when she was petrified by the basilisk, he also was so offended when Malfoy said the racist slur against her, she was trying to get to him always because she knows he is so low confident by being the shadowed sibling of 7, the best friend of the famous harry potter that constantly is in the shadow by it, but she committed the mistake of dating Ron's favourite Quidditch player that lead in the future to Ron use Lavander to get her jealous.
I wasn't that big on Ron and Hermione, but I really appreciated having Hermione and Harry be a very close platonic friendship. That isn't shown enough in books or movies. ... And frankly, I can't see Hermione as the sort of person who would marry *anybody* from high school. I think the OTP for her would have been somebody she meets during an master's apprenticeship in Europe or something.
Just look at the difference between Ron and Harry’s reactions to Hermione’s torture in Malfoy Manner. And both Hermione and Ron offers to take each other’s place
I dont really see that as a point for ron and Hermione cuz at that point it was already well into motion for JK to put them together which is why it felt so rushed for their relationship and relationships in general.
@@RavagHer It's a point for Ron/Hermione over Harry/Hermione because it shows you how differently they reacted to Hermione being tortured. Ron completely freaked out. Harry's reaction wasn't as visceral.
1. Grey’s Anatomy has been good for one thing at least: your person doesn’t have to be your romantic partner. You can be super close with someone and not be in love him/her/them. You can admire them without romantic feelings. You might even click with them more than with your significant other. 2. Ron and Hermione have passion, their bickering, the slow burn of their relationship. There is fire. They challenge each other in a way that Harry and Hermione just don’t. They might drive each other mental sometimes but they grow through that. I think for every argument Ben‘s made here there is just as much to find for Ron and Hermione.
FINALLY someone who sees it almost exactly like I do. There are so many instances in the books where the two are arguing about something, but they enjoy it. They have fun debating, because in the books Ron is actually intelligent (Wizard Chess) and can debate with Hermione on an equal level. It's just a different form of intelligence.
@@garrondumont So true. We don't even hear the vast majority of the arguments because Harry hates arguing and tunes out from them. Harry and Hermione would be terrible together as Harry would either avoid or lie to Hermione (as he did in the books) whenever he thought an argument was coming. They would never work anything out and wouldn't last more than a couple of months tops.
5:39 - Not everything has to be about Harry... she was helping Ginny to get over her crush Also, Ron and Hermione don't really fight a lot, Ron is just one of the few people who actually enjoy debating with her
I agree with you, because I am one of these persons, that love to discuss. Of course, also with my friends. I love it to debating with my friends for no reason at all and they know that I am not serious. And, yeah, Ron and Hermione have also fights, but a lot of it, is just "friendly fighting".
I just want to bring up the scene where Hermione was more harsh with Ron than Harry when wondering why Cho cried after she and Harry kissed. I don't think Hermione being harsh with Ron has anything to do with any lack of affection towards him. Her aggressiveness seems more like a response to Ron's aggressiveness. Think about and compare Ron's comments about Cho's crying to Harry's comments about Cho's crying. Ron's comments seem more judgmental and harsh, while Harry seemed genuinely curious and concerned. Hermionie's harshness towards Ron in answering him was merely an answer to Ron's harshness. It is not indicative of whether she has feelings for Ron or not. Her response is indicative of her empathy, understanding, and compassion towards Cho and her situation.
Totally agree. I also have a problem with the whole Hermione being aware of Cho meaning she sees her as a rival. Naw, she's just emotionally intelligent as well as sensitive. I could've explained the Cho crying thing as fast because it is OBVIOUS.
@@yamitsukikarasu8857 She also notices Cho because she cares about Harry's happiness. Of course she's going to pay attention to the girl her best friend fancies
Great points! In addition, I think Hermione takes Ron's judgemental behaviour towards girls more seriously because she doesn't want him to treat her that way. Moreover, I think that Hermione with Ron and harry with Ginny make complete sense in the BOOKS. In the movies Hermione and Ron had no chemistry, and Ginny was nothing like she was in the books after the 2nd film. I think this changes everyone's perceptions because you picture the movie characters when you read the books!
Also the fact that Harry still has some emotional awareness education that he desperately needs thanks to his abusive and neglectful family. He literally might not understand all these emotions. Yes he has some maturity as its book 5 but that kind of thing does awful things to your view of human interaction.
Ron and Hermione argue because debate is stimulating to them. He's the only one to challenge her in that way, because everyone else either assumes Hermione's right or says nothing to avoid confrontation. Ron is the only one who actually argues with her, which can look hostile, but is actually stimulating and interesting to them. They do have their actual fights but a lot of bickering that went on between them was more like debate.
Yeah a lot of people think of arguing and conflict as a bad thing but as long it gets talked about and not avoided it can be healthy. For example in the fourth year when Ron refused to talk to Harry about their conflict.
@@mighty_polar_bear3786 It was _Harry_ who refused to talk to Ron during their conflict. Ron at one point was concerned about him and went to check up on him but Harry blew up and threw a badge at his face.
People who ship Ron and Hermione believe that a guy needs to be mean to a girl to show that he loves her. After all if Ron wouldn't be mean to Hermione then he doesn't love her. Bickering can get ugly in the real world. He made her cry. If it was playful then it's fine. He shows on the number of occasions that he doesn't understand her. Besides Rowling Rupert Grint and Emma Watson said that Ron and Hermione need marriage counselling. Debate is when 2 people have something interesting to say. Ron is clueless about many things. Similar intellectual level is needed for constructive debate.
For the movies: Harry and Hermione For the books: Ron and Hermione In the books, Harry was kinda mean in his inner thoughts when it would be just him and Hermione. Like how he appreciates Hermione's friendship but there were more laughing moments with Ron, but with Hermione it was more quiet and study times with her. There was definitely a favorite friend thing going on
@@madelinegutierrez1720 It is specifically stated in the books that he loved Hermione (but not in a romantic way), but she wasn't nearly in the same league as his best friend, Ron.
I have always found Harry and Hermione's friendship extremely wholesome, so I beg to differ. I'm and will always be team Lunarry, for thematic and character reasons. Thematically, it's rather fitting: Harry is a true Griffindor and a Leo (Sun planet), while Luna is the Moon. I also find their exchanges very endearing and full of levity. Most importantly , Luna has often had a lighter view on death, and as a loving partner, she could've helped Harry pull through his past traumas. Conversely, Harry would be ideal in keeping Luna grounded on important and practical matters. All said, they would complement each other nicely in the end.
That's interesting... I would have gone with Hermione first and would have been fine with Luna. I just thought Jenny was so off as a partner for Harry. It still rubs me wrong.
@@diogohenriquemagal6960 I also thought from the outset that Harry and Luna showed brilliant potential as a couple, and JKR's use of names throughout the series (Sirius Black, a black dog; Remus Lupin, a (were)wolf; Narcissa and Lucius Malfoy, also with obvious meanings, etc.) made me see Luna as a good love for Harry. Their date to Slughorn's Christmas party could have been **HUGE.**
In regards to the Christmas gift thing, ron giving hermuonie perfume was supposed to symbolize him seeing her as a girl, instead of just a friend like harry does.
Exactly! I always thought it was cute- like he suddenly didn’t know what to get her because he wanted to get her something nice but was just oblivious.
Doesn't do him any favors. Felt that showed that he doesn't even know Hermione herself well enough to get her something she actually likes. Meanwhile Harry got her something he knows she'd like.
Harry and Hermoine in the books have a really good friendship, this can be seen many times like when Rita skeeter is writing recklessly about them being together but still none of them blushed even slightly at the Idea,because they always see each other as Brother and Sister ,As Harry later revealed in the Deathly Hallows. Moreover the book Ginny is everything Harry wants,funny,smart,savage,and good at Quidditch too. But Book Hermoine is sometimes too abide by rules and is often Annoying Harry. But when it comes to the Movies they literally destined to be together, because the Steve Kloves just wasted Ginny and Ron's actual charecters. They were more like nothing except for being there and that's why Harry's sudden Attention to Ginny seem a lot more inappropriate
And after seeing the reunion where Emma admitted around the 4th movie she wanted to quit, it makes me think did they purposely push this romance tension, and have her as second lead to keep her around? Because from this point onwards Harry's friendship with Ron is completely unexplored, his love interests might as well not exist and even his friendship with people like Hagrid suffer. Hermione is portrayed as his 'best friend' and the his go to support when this was never her role in the books. It was Rons.
@@sarad2659 Not that Harry's friendship with Ron was well explored in the books either past GoF. He's almost missing for large chunks of OotP, and without the romantic plot, he basically wouldn't be in HBP at all. JKR apparently almost killed off Ron in HBP, and I can see why; it would've made him a meaningful character again in a series where he seemed to be becoming less and less important. But instead he lived, and the Seventh book did a lot of work to reaffirm his place in the trio before the series ended, and did pretty well overall. Oh, and Hermione definitely was as important a support for Harry as Ron, even in the books. Just in a very different sort of way. Ron handled the stress and the commiseration, and Hermione handled the self doubt and cut through confusion.
One of my favorite scenes in all of the movies is the dance between Harry and Hermione in the tent. It felt real and raw, not because it was romantic, but because it wasn't. It just a nice moment between two friends who had been through a lot together. A lot of us have relationships like that in our own lives.
The thing with Ron and Hermione fighting all the time is an invalid argument, though. There's a scene in Order of the Phoenix were Harry tells them off for fighting all the time and they both get angry with him for it, making it pretty clear that they enjoy it. Also, there's two major moments that shows Harry's lack of feelings for Hermione: 1. Harry missing his friendship with Ron in Goblet of Fire and feeling that Hermione is a "less fun" friend 2. "I love her like a sister! And I'm sure that she feels the same way about me" in Deathly Hallows The relationship stuff is perfect as it is in the books, according to me
Thinking that Ron and Hermione enjoy bickering is mere interpretation. I could just as well say that Ron and Hermione were shocked that Harry did not choose either side in their bickering, or rather, that he was acting as if both of them were wrong.
Though i can agree on the argument, alot of people in these comments are talking about how “ in real relationships you can love a person without being attracted to them and being a good friend.” Which is totally true. But i also know for a fact that in real relationships, bickering can get really ugly and fighting spells toxicity. I vote for Harry and Hermione cause no relationship is better than a healthy one!
I always felt that Harry and Hermione's friendship was a kin to brother and sister and Harry even says so. As far as Ron and Hermione go they became friends when they were young before there was any interest so Ron didn't see it at first (this happens quite often) and in the books at least Ron helps keep Hermione grounded. I thought that Harry and Luna would always be a good couple but was not totally upset with the Ginny one when not comes to the books.
Harry couldn’t really say anything other than her being like a sister to him at the time. Ron had a sword and had just come back from abandoning them for monthd
Exactly. Also, if you listen to Harry's thoughts in the books it makes it pretty clear that he does not confide in her at all. He also describes how much less she's fun to be around than Ron. He literally doesn't care when Hermione fawns over Lockhart, dates Krum or when Ron shows an interest in her. Honestly, if you read the books it's really hard to ship Harry and Hermione romantically. I was really surprised when I found out how many people ship Harry and Hermione.
While I understand a lot of your points, I feel like Harry and Hermione ending up together really cheapens the ability of characters to have a very strong relationship without becoming romantically involved. Harry and Hermione have such an amazing platonic relationship to the point where they are best friends at pretty much the same level as Ron and Harry. We don’t see that all that often in literature. Sure, male leads have female friends, but often the ones that get close enough to consider a best friend end up romantically involved with the character. I’m personally a big fan of how Harry and Hermione stayed so personally connected without having romantic attraction to one another!
My experience in real life is, that this happens almost in every hetero male female best friend relationship, at some point atleast one of them gets feelings, atleast if they are both single. i think harry+hermoine having feelings at some point would be much more realistic for 2 people who match perfectly. It's a bit unrealistic to say, that both of them never thought about it.
Harry and Ginny. Book 1-Ginny is still just a little girl and cries 2- Ginny has a crush on Harry 3-Ginny still has a crush on Harry 4-Ginny and Harry spend a short time together at the quidditch cup but don't speak much. Harry likes Cho, Ginny probably would have either seen it for herself or spoken to Hermione about it. 5- Harry falls flat on his face with Cho and Ginny starts to date other guys and finally starts to speak to Harry as they hang out more (Harry takes note), Harry also takes note of the power and talent Ginny has compared with other girls, the fact that she comes with them to the order of phoenix. 6- Harry spends ALOT of time with Ginny in the summer and notices how easy, funny and pretty Ginny has become. Harry then notices all the girls that are after him purely for fake often shallow reasons and becomes understands the full implications of a love potion. Ginny and him go to Slughorn's parties and he just enjoys her company. So to see Ginny with another man (much like Ron) forces him to be confronted with his feelings for Ginny. Because, up until then, he had kind of taken her for granted and had been slowly getting to know her as she became more confident talking to him and getting to know him in return. Also, Ginny has become popular, pretty and powerful all on her own, something Harry finds attractive in women (Cho case in point who is both very popular and pretty) Ginny is a talented quiddich player, so they shared that in common, Harry spends even more time with her at school and sees how awesome a player she actually is. Harry, (thanks to hermione) has grown accustomed to independent, strong and powerful women! AND she shares the same interests as him! So, she stops being "some girl who used to have a crush on him" to being an awesome witch who sees Harry for who he is. Unlike all the other fake girls who just want the fame. Finally, its no coincidence that Ginny has red hair. Of course she could have been blonde or brunnette etc., but her having Red hair sealed the deal for me. She reminds him of his mother and there is nothing wrong with that. Harry never states that, but he does find the red hair an extra attractive, quality that probably reminds him of his ma and also that his own father was attracted to red heads. But all in all its clear that Harry falsl for Ginny for all the reasons mentioned above. 7-Ginny admits that she never really stopped liking him. For a while it seemed like it was never going to happen, harry was too popular and she couldn't even speak to him whilst meanwhile he was fawning over another even prettier girl Cho. But she alwyas stuck up for Harry, fought alongside him and believed in him. She even fought Hermione (her bf) in the 5th book when Harry gets kicked off the team! And again Harry takes note of this. But most of all, she knows Harry because of all the time they spent together at the Burrow growing up. And when a guy saves your life and then teaches you how to defend yourself you never forget that. So, when Harry kisses her I bet she was both surprised and elated that something she probably dreamt about, finally happened and they go off to talk things through instead of celebrate in Griffindor's tower. She is calm, she rarely cries, she is funny and capable -and Harry loves her for all of those reasons, so when he leaves her, he knows that for her to NOT cling on to him and keep him with her, even though it would have broken her heart, shows just how much she loves him and knows him to let him go. And she is ofc rewarded for her efforts when he does return for her after the battle. So yeah these are the things I noticed when I deliberately looked for them from book 4 on. Bonus-Even though Harry leaves with Ron and Hermione, she never gets jealous like Cho because she understands that Harry doesn't have feelings for Hermione and she trusts them both.
It's been a long time since I read the books, but I'm just gonna add my voice to the Luna+Harry ship. She was such a great ball of sunshine in Harry's world, not because she was bubbly necessarily, but because she was one of the few characters who never really asked much of Harry other than to hold her shoes while they walked in the forest. She was always a calm place in a chaotic world for our chosen one.
Honestly, the movies reinforce Harry and Hermione because Steve Kloves' favorite character was Hermione, so he gave a lot of Ron's kind and exposition lines to her, which ultimately led to Ron, one of my favorite character in the books, to become a dim-witted, whiny, comic-relief character in the movies, with added lines bashing Hermione. Ron and Hermione's bickering to me always came across as them having fun with one another. Ron was really the only one to verbally challenge Hermione, it's like a game of verbal chess. And the movies really did flatten out and screw up Ginny's character real bad. Moral of the story: J.K. Rowling is not good at writing romance and the movies really did not do anything to help that shortcoming.
Also, don't forget that they started making the films before all the books had been published, so wouldn't have known at the start that Harry and Ginny would eventually end up together
@@Captaincory1 Maybe but the fact that she decided to make the 2 sidekicks get together instead was great for me. It's not like the typical "hero gets the girl" thing. And she wrote so many clues for Ron and Hermione during the books.. Sure, they are not a perfect couple, but that's what makes them realistic. Harry and Hermione would be boring for me.
And when Hermione "asks" Ron to go to Slughorns Christmas Party with her and both their reactions are super awkward, even Harry himself thinks that he expected something like this to happen for a long time. So he actually noticed that Ron & Hermione had a thing for each other but didn't really know how to act on that. And I mean it's Harry we're talking about. He's not really good at noticing emotional stuff, but even he realized.
Thank god, Harry and Hermione are not together. It actually shows that guys and girls can be friends without any subcontext. Ron and Hermione makes more sense to me.
Harry spent many summers at the Burrow but J.K.R never really utilized them to flesh out the relationship between Harry and Ginny. If every book had at least 1 chapter or an prologue and epilogue covering the summers a relationship between Ginny and Harry would be more accepted.
Seriously! I’m on book 5 and I still havnt had an actual scene with Ginny besides Harry being in my opinion slightly creepy as he thought about her, when she 1 is younger than him and more like a sister, and 2 Ron’s sister. Maybe in the next books she does come out more but so far I wouldn’t be able to even describe her personality if someone asked
@@Salsa4268 Book 6 she gets a lot of character development. I honestly like the way it was handled in the books. The movies are absolutely terrible to Ginny though..Remembering that they are like 12/11 in the books at first it makes sense that Harry wouldn’t really have strong feelings for her and not even recognize them until he is older and she starts to become more of a woman as well, up until that point shes just his best friends sister.
@@joekaput747 That’s fair. I always just thought as a kid being introduced to magic and having Voldemort trying to kill him constantly, Harry wouldn’t really be all that into anyone until his hormones ramped up (and 15/16 seemed like an appropriate time) Ginny was always around and it’s very easy to not notice your best friends sister but then wake up one day and realize she’s actually grown up and is kind of cute…now, I’ll also admit Hermione would’ve been a better choice from the beginning but I don’t hate the dynamic of their relationship either….her and Ron were the last 2 ppl I would’ve put together though. 😂😂 Ginny was the most organic choice for Harry if Hermione was out….they had shared traumatic experiences with the chamber of secrets as order of the Phoenix debacles….he could see her often, confide in her about everything already because her entire family (almost) was already fighting Voldemort and protecting him. Not to mention, since she was already around and Harry basically latched onto the first ppl he was introduced to in the wizarding world, it would make sense that he would grow to love her and her family in some way…what better way to feel apart of the family that has done so much for you since you’ve been a wizard than to marry into the family and truly be apart of it…. Also there were quite a lot of hints that Harry felt SOMETHING for Ginny and didn’t realize what it was….everyone probably assumed it was brotherly affection or didn’t even notice it but it could also have been taken as him caring for her and that blossoming into full blown feelings when she grew up. And, in typical fashion he didn’t realize that he liked her until she stopped acting like she had a crush on him. As soon as she started to date other ppl and he saw it effecting his relationship with her then it bothered him. The hints were subtle beyond belief but they were there.
Kids often pretend not to like the person they're most attracted to (sometimes because they don't want to be teased about it) and really young kids get the attention of the one they like in ways a more mature person would find less than flirty. Listen closely, though -- throughout the books, when Malfoy insults Hermione about being muggleborn, it's RON who leaps first to her defense. He stands up for her to others all the time. He probably isn't admitting it to himself, but he admires her. He definitely doesn't think he's good enough for her (remember what he sees coming out of the locket) and that keeps him from expressing his feelings to her more clearly.
Yeah, I fully agree on your comment. Whenever things go serious, its Ron showing the most compassion about her, just think about him nearly going insane when they heard Hermione getting tortured in Malfoy Manor. The only nitpick I have is Harry not stepping up against Malfoy when he called Hermione a mudblood doesnt say much because Harry didnt know the nasty meaning of the swearword back then.
Hm... see, I don’t ship Harry / Hermione because I never felt they liked each other that way. Hermione seems much more affected / effected by Ron’s actions because his opinions matter to her. When it comes to Harry, she doesn’t seem nearly as offended when he says something. Why? Because Harry is just a friend. Someone she has no interest in. As for Harry... he has never described her as being attractive. He’s described Sirius, Blaise, and other male characters as attractive over Hermione! Not saying that you have to find your potential spouse to be the most stunning beauty on the planet, but Harry - even when Hermione is dolled up during the ball - basically sees her as “Oh, so she can be decent looking” instead of Ron’s clearly shocked reaction and Ron being exceptionally jealous of Krum. Also, I’m pretty sure Hermione is based off of J.K. Rowling and Harry is based off of Rowling’s son. ^ EDIT: I was mistaken in the above that Harry was based on her son. Her son was not born until after she married her second husband Neil.
TheAsianCutie93 Idk about Harry based off of JKR’s son, but i read that JKR’s ex was very much like Ron, and her current husband is like Harry, and she herself as Hermione
Firstly the movies have Hermione say most of Ron's lines in the book so the movies are NOT canon (they also ruin Ginny's character but everyone knows that) Anyways back to the book, Ron is always ready to act Draco for insulting Hermione and he is always bringing up Hermione's suggestions to Harry when she's not around. Plus they compliment each other. Ron's always fighting with everyone because I guess he thinks he needs to prove himself, he was the youngest Weasley son and his friends outshone him so I think he just had the need to prove himself...
I feel like Harry and ginny have a bit of an incestuous energy going on, because I feel like Harry feels about the weasleys as his magic family and that would mean he ends up marrying his sister.
He definitely loves the Weasley family, but that doesn't mean he necessarily sees them as literally his family in all aspects. Remember, in Order of the Phoenix, when it's said that all the family can come to visit Arthur, Harry doesn't think that it includes him. And he also tells Ron "I'd feel the same way" about worrying about his family, then thinking of Ginny specifically (who he wants to have a family with) correcting himself to "I do feel the same way". Also, Molly appears to be aware that Harry is not her son, like when she's disciplining her children. Besides, even if Harry thinks of Ron as like brother, doesn't mean he has to think of Ginny as like a sister. If anything, the fact that he is already a family member in many respects should increase Harry's comfort level when it comes to Ginny, not reduce it.
Harry and Hermione have more in common. the way she did things to make them all family is really cute. but also could've been seen that way without that marriage and Harry and Hermione have always had a understanding with each other and Ron does have this understanding to. but Ron left at one point she's NEVER left his side. she was willing to walk up to Voldemort and DIE with him instead of stand around and waiting for the worst. if that doesn't say I love you I don't know what does.
I get why Harmione is a thing. But I honestly prefer Harry and Luna together hands down. Harry and Hermione seem more like siblings to me than romantic interests.
Oh they didn't have a sibling relationship at all. Try changing some of the scenes with Ginny and Ron. It becomes very awkward. www.reddit.com/r/harrypotter/comments/hhg5j5/harry_and_hermione_are_like_siblings/
@@tsmith8082 Quote from Harry talking about Hermione during the 7th book:"She's like my sister. I love her like a sister and I reckon she feels the same way about me. It's always been like that."
I really thought Luna was gonna be one of Harry's love interests. The fact that they both see the thestrals is a good representation that they understand something about each other that no one else does. There's a couple other reasons, but that's the biggest one for me. I was so surprised they stayed just friends.
This was the first SCB theory that didn’t convince me. Hermione is ‘angry’ at Ron half the time because she likes him and he’s a bit clueless. He’s being a guy and that’s how it goes a lot of the time when you’re a girl liking a guy. You have these passive aggressive hints to him and he doesn’t get it. Also, even if it doesn’t make ‘sense’ we don’t choose who to fall in love with. The heart wants what it wants
[[[ "Did you - did you get - ?” She spotted the badge in Harry’s hand and let out a shriek. “I knew it!” she said excitedly, brandishing her letter. “Me too, Harry, me too!” “No,” said Harry quickly, pushing the badge back into Ron’s hand. “It’s Ron, not me.” “It - what?” “Ron’s prefect, not me,” Harry said. “Ron?” said Hermione, her jaw dropping. “But… are you sure? I mean -” She turned red as Ron looked around at her with a defiant expression on his face. “It’s my name on the letter,” he said. “I...” said Hermione, looking thoroughly bewildered. “I... well ... wow! Well done, Ron! That’s really -” “Unexpected,” said George, nodding. “No,” said Hermione, blushing harder than ever, “no, it’s not... Ron’s done loads of... he’s really... ” ]]] Yeah, she likes Ron so much she wants to patrol alone with Harry, can't believe that Ron would ever be considered for prefect and can't find anything positive to say about him after being his friend for 4 years.
@@shinekuelsword2412 Its only in your head that the reason Hermione is surprised that Ron is prefect over Harry is because she wants to patrol alone with him. There is nothing in cannon that actually suggests it. It is cannon, however, that everyone is surprised that Ron is prefect over Harry. Hermoine is not special in her reaction.
@@shinekuelsword2412 Molly, Fred, George everyone was surprised. Fred said no one in their right mind would make Ron a prefect. So Molly Fred George all preferred Harry to Ron??🤔
Exactly!! The books never hinted on a romantic relationship between Harry and Hermione, but there were subtle hints between Ron and Hermione. Harry and Hermione always had a brother/sister bond. The Harry/Hermione shippers just want to follow the silly trope of the lead getting the girl in a friendship trio. You could even see the subtle love blooming between Harry and Ginny in the books where Ginny had much more character and life. Could never see the angle where Harry/Hermione could ever be a couple other than siblings 🤮
Ugh i kinda hate that everyone seems to go with that brother/sister thing. I have to ask is it because they're only children you go to that? Genuinely curious. Because i'm an only child and that's always bugged me that people go there. Just because we have no siblings doesnt mean we ever find friends that feel that way to us or want to for that matter. Im happy not having siblings most of the time lol. Meant it was quiet growing up lol. I have best friends who are men but never will any be like a brother. Im sorry if thats not what you meant its just always bugged me. And i love the harmony ship by the way, its my favorite one lol. For me their friendship is like how my relationship is with my husband and i love it very much. Its why i always find it weird people put that in a brother/sister category with them.
@@katew8129 We aren't exactly saying that they're like siblings, though it can be seen that way. We're saying that they have a *platonic relationship*, referring to their friendship.
I am going to show this video to everyone that ever asks me why I read fanfiction lol. Tho... I could also see Harry and Luna, both outcasts in their own ways but supportive of each other. I could see Luna teaching Harry how to ignore the words and expectations of other people. EDIT: This is the only place I've ever heard this ship called "HAIR-Mione"... Usually it's called "Harmony" with the Harry/Hermione/Luna triad being called "Lunar Harmony" lol.
Ive always felt like Harry & Hermione have sibling like energy. Like best best friends but never romantic. I don’t think they balance each other as a couple, it makes sense they don’t end up together. Ginny and Ron were just written poorly in the movies. Edit: Hermione and Victor could have become such a bamf power couple js
I agree with OC also Ginny was the best in DA. Like she was feisty, powerful and intelligent. She never really showed insecurities. Seems more of a power couple with Harry. She also became a professional quiddich player. Also Harry really only had two friends. Dating one of them is a terrible gamble especially when Ron is so prone to icing people. Hermione never had a shot. Lastly, I think Hermione was flirty by being intense to Ron. Woman tend to try to improve the guy they're with. So that feels more of a relationship. She might even be angry that she likes him in spite of his flaws. Making her mean to him to try to stop those feelings. That's my take on it anyway.
Idk. Harry and Hermione are way closer than I am to my sibling, but maybe shared near death experiences will do that? Either way, I think Ginny was poorly written in the books and the movies. The interest is almost entirely one sided and the pair know practically nothing about each other and spend very little time together in a 7 book series. As for the balance, well Ron and Hermione are a good match, but I have to agree with Ben in that Harry and Hermione are just a bit better. Hermione is the book smarts and strategy/planning to Harry's raw talent and quick thinking/action. Harry usually sees the bigger picture, connecting the dots on the grand scale, while Hermione fills him in on the subtleties and emotional beats he's missing. They share a similar outlook on life and relationships in that they are fiercely loyal and do not abandon each other. Harry and Hermione fight, but Hermione never really leaves Harry like Ron does, and vice versa. The two regularly trade off being the middle/peacemaker of the trio. For the outlook on life part, not only are they both muggleborns and are grounded in a way that Ron is not, they are also loyal and selfless in a way that Ron is not--no offense to Ron. The only thing missing from their relationship, really, is Harry's feelings for Hermione, because I do think you can call some of Hermione's early affection for Harry a crush. That said, I also feel Harry's feelings for Ginny are also missing. That relationship is 90% indifference and 10% "the girl who idolized me and stalked me for 6 years is dating someone else and idk how to feel about it." There are definitely instances between Harry and Hermione where some scenes could have turned into more, but Hermione and Ron became a thing very early and Harry would never go after someone Ron liked. In short, Ron was the best friend, good to have around if Harry needed cheering up/wanted to have fun. Hermione, though, was always the last one standing by his side, who always had his back, always believed in him, and pushed him to keep going. Honestly, they both pushed each other to be better people. Harry pushed Hermione to leave the library and the textbooks, to be bolder and braver; Hermione pushed Harry to be smarter and to open up to other people, and gave him the support he needed to keep standing for what he believed in. I can't really say Ron does the same for either of the two (though he does more for Hermione than for Harry), but it's been a while since I read the books.
I don’t know if I agree with that... I mean, in GoF when Harry goes through that time period where him and Ron aren’t speaking, he acknowledges that he thinks hanging out with Hermione is okay, but he really mostly just misses Ron. And when Ron left in the Deathly Hallows, it was awkward as well.
even in the regular movies just look at the end of the chamber of secrets when hermione is un-petrified she hugs hary and they have a moment then she acwardly shakes hands with ron
Ron and Hermione are like a middle school high school couple. Like ron picks on hermione because he has a huge crush on her. Also hermione and ron don't have as much physical contact because its awkward for them because they like each other. Also Krum's life is sad.
Personally, I always read Hermoine's interest in and reaction to Harry's lovelife as disproving Harmoine. She can be much more compassionate and understanding of Harry's obliviousness as opposed to Ron's cause she has no horse in that race, so to speak, and so she just talk about it with him as a friend, with his best interests in mind. In a lot of ways, she's an amazing wingwoman, giving him the confidence to go after Cho, helping him understand why Cho cried after the kiss, she gets Ginny to stop fangirling in a way that was clearly making Harry uncomfortable, keeps "the chosen one" from being manipulated by people who only want him for status, etc. Hermoine is shown to be more romantically savvy than either Ron or Harry, but it's only Harry she decides to help in this way, she lets Ron blunder his way into constant availability. Finally, I think a large part of why Harry and Hermoine's relationship is so great is that it's not tainted by teenage romantic tension as written by J.K. Rowling.
I agree 100%. I've always looked at Hermione and Harry's relationship as a Brother and Sister. Neither of them have siblings and I always felt that is what they considered each other to be. Now Hermione and Ron always argued like an old married couple. I knew from the Chamber of Securities that they would end up together, and this was even before the Goblet of Fire was even out. It just felt natural.
I actually think the whole thing is rather ironic. Having the male/female leads be romantically involved is a huge trope, to the point that often it is treated as such a given and writers completely forget to develop the lead relationship, making it ends up feeling really random or forced. Ironically, because Harry and Hermione have a completely platonic relationship, it is really well developed and people just decide they should be a couple. Really though, Harry x Ron would make exactly as much sense as Harry x Hermione; that is to say they in no way appear to be romantically interested in each other. Frankly, having the straight m/f leads not be involved romantically is kind of unusual and HxHr ship just ruins that. I will agree though that those Harry x Ginny moments in the movies are super awkward and are probably ruining your perception. Most of the development is in Harry's head which is a classic adaptation pitfall.
@@overlorde7526 I see Harry/Hermione more as siblings then anything actually romantic, never got the romance vibes in the books, the movies though? It was obvious there were huge Harry/Hermione shippers directing the movies.
As Bill and Fleur made their vows to each other at their wedding, Hermione and Harry looked at each other. When Hermione was petrified, Ron said: "it's only Hermione" when Harry was freaking out. "friendship, bravery and-" Hermione told Harry this before he left to fight Quirrell, maybe dying before abruptly cutting herself off. I gave an example in book 4 and in book 6, the big one, *DUMBLEDORE*! It is a fact that teachers can tell if students are crushing on each other. Even a muggle, let alone *THE WISEST AND POWERFUL WIZARD OF HIS TIME, SOMEONE EVEN VOLDEMORT FEARED, could tell there was something going on.
While I do support Ginny and Harry ending up together in the end, one thing that I think made Hermoine and Harry closer is that Hermoine was a muggle born who was a very gifted witch just like Lily., who Harry constantly thinks about.
(PSA: I’m not talking directly to the brothers when I say this, I know they’ve read/heard the books many times) I really feel like the movies should not be taken into consideration when it comes to shipping because the characters are portrayed completely different than they are in the books. If you haven’t read the books than I think you should before you 100% decide who you ship because everyone has so much more personality and chemistry in the series. Personally I don’t think Ginny and Harry we’re forced together at all (remember I’m not taking the movies into consideration), Ginny is so strong and witty just like Harry, and they feel so natural together. They also are able to talk about none Voldemort or study things, whereas Hermione and Harry don’t really talk about things outside of that too often. I believe Ginny and Harry enjoy each other’s company in a way Hermione never could. (These are my opinions and of course I’m not saying you shouldn’t have your own or that mine is the only correct opinion)
I think based on the books Harry and Ginny should've been together but based on the movies Harry and Hermione should've been together. Even then I don't like saying one or the other should've been together, you also never say that in real life, if JK thought one or the other should've been together then that's what should've happened, she after all is the creator of the story.
To me, I like Harry and Ginny together, but I also like Harry and Hermione together. I think that Harry and Hermione had a lot more foundation for a relationship to build off of, but I can also see how Ginny and Harry fit together.
@@ellaine1717 Yes, but he also admitted at the beginning that he may be influenced by the movies, and at the end he did admit that maybe he's reading too much into it. Remember, many book readers _do_ invision the actors when they think of the characters, so chemistry between two characters in the movies can influence judgement. And it may also be just to stir up a little bit of discussion of the actual series, considering the controversy around JKR's recent Twitter posts. So this video, unlike many others, doesn't come off as extremely zealous about Harry/Hermione.
I see where you coming at with this. I was a Hermione and Harry shipper for years :) However, nowadays I think it was the right thing to Harry and Ginny ending up together. In my opinion, Harry and Hermione have a really strong friendship. I really love that and I think it proves that people can be friends regardless of their gender! I actually can relate to their friendship on a personal level. I have a guy friend that I'm really close with without any romantic feeling or what so ever! For example, the part of where Harry is giving a book for a gift don't prove anything of romantic feelings. You can be close friends and give gifts like that. It just shows you know the person well and what they like (don't need to apply romance at all). I'm glad when I see a strong friendship in a book or a movie/TV-show! :)
Your shift, to me, seems to echo the fandom's growing acceptance and love of Harry/Ginny and the decline of popularity of Harry/Hermione since the books came out.
"Harry liked Hermione very much, but she just wasn’t the same as Ron. There was much less laughter and a lot more hanging around in the library when Hermione was your best friend." This is basically saying the being alone with Hermione is boring for Harry.
The reason Ron and Hermione take so long about it is (in my opinion) because, despite the fact that they look like them, Harry and Ginny are not the “modern” version of James and Lily: Ron and Hermione are.
You seem to overlook one important point. When Harry kisses Ginny in the common room in The Half Blood Prince, Hermione is beaming! Now isn't that a pretty strange reaction from Hermione, if she has feelings for Harry.
@@timscarrott8919 Overall yes, but if you're directly confronted with the person you like being in a relationship with another person, I would doubt that you are beaming.
When I was first reading the books, my little third grade mind was like, "Harry and Hermione *have* to end up together." and then J.K. Rowling went and crushed my dreams. But I would just like to mention that Ron and Hermione would make for a very charming, bickersome elderly couple.
This is more so Hermione having a small crush on Harry, unfortunately Harry was never interested in Hermione. This was especially obvious in book 4. Harry enjoys Hermione more when its the three of them together but when Ron breaks away and it’s just Harry and Hermione he’s not as happy and he’s bored around her. A lot of these arguments were from the movies not the books.
You sound like one of those who undermine Harry and Hermione relationship. Canon shippers do that. No matter if it's friendship, relationship or brother/sister bond whatever. In the book 3 when firebolt was taken he knew that Hermione had good intentions. Harry needs different things in friendship. He needs Hermione's support to survive and Ron for jokes. Harry was never good with emotions. Plus during that time when Harry enjoyed when it was 3 of them was because he needed Ron and Hermione. He was upset about falling out with Ron. In book 5 he was horrified when Hermione was injured.
@jayda huntley This is funny because Ron literally bullied her at the start so it kind of advocates towards, "Oh, he's only mean to you 'cause he like you!"
The real world reason for Hermione and Ron to end up together is that She Who Must Be Obeyed wrote the Epilogue (if I remember correctly) at the same time as The Philosophers Stone. I don't know if her degree is in English literature or in education. Either way, she doesn't seem to have gotten a good explanation of Chekov's Gun. "If you mount a gun over the mantle piece," said Russian author/playwright Anton Chekov, it must be fired by the end of the second act." Books and play's should not ever have loose ends. The corollary to that is that things should not happen just because. Hermione and Harry in the first book is the gun on the mantle, that was not fired. Dolohov killing the Lupins and Newt Scamandar's grandson marrying Luna are things that had no reason to have ever happened.
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What other couples in Harry Potter do you ship?!
SuperCarlinBrothers DRARRY
Harry/Luna is one of my favorite ships. I don't really know why.
Neville and Ginny
The cannon ones...
Am I even allowed to say that anymore?
@@whosnail827 ye
Fanfiction writers: Oh yeah, it’s all coming together now...
I write fanfics of various genre and a few Potter related to Harmione ships. I have the ideas of it but need to write it.
Cool. I am writing an Amourshipping story, and then I am going to write a Visorshipping story on Wattpad
Nice! 👌🏽
Love the comment but you did the meme wrong. It's oh yeah It's all coming together.
@@nathangibson3500 brilliant
The fact that hermoine is the one that was in the lake for Krumm is quite sad… they didn’t even know each other very well. Victor probably has a really sad life
Sad and lonely. Which is prob why he liked Hermione even more. She wasnt obsessing over him
To be fair he was a world famous athlete at the age of 16/17. So yeah, I imagine his life would be very isolating between constant quidditch training and trying to parse out who is trying to get close to him for his fame vs for him
And everyone thinks he has a perfect life
I’m on your side here!
I’m thinking that the person they took had to be at Hogwarts. Maybe he has people he loves at home but they’re not going to go all the way to Bulgaria to take someone for the triwizard cup.
They killed Ginny's character in the movies. She was not anything I had imagined her to be. Bonnie Wright was perfect for Ginny's actress. I just wish they had given her more justice.
Really? I didn't see a difference between Ginny in books and movies. I didn't pay attention to her. She was a background character for me. Like she's there but oh well. So I was surprised when she got together with Harry. Unless she did something major. I know what she did like with magic, boyfriends, Ron's little sister and chamber of secrets. Maybe she was a major character. Maybe she even was silent help in trio. I have a big problem when she said that Harry would never be happy if he won't hunt Voldemort. Its not like he could have walked away from this.
@@klaudiagrob In the books she was charismatic, fun, confident, like a younger female version of fred and goerge (just not a prankster). She has many great quotes, jokes and is in many scenes. In the movies she is awkward, quiet, and just awful to watch. Thye killed her character.
Ginny in the books basically live by her quote "living with fred and George you start to think anything's possible if you've got enough nerve
Ginny in the movie is basically never there only becomes Important in the 6 movie and is really awkward
Ginny was such an amazing witch in the books and the movies kinda made her this 2 dimensional love interest who doesnt do much half the time
Unrelated but I also hate what they did to Ron
Kate k 14 same here
Klaudia Grobl the running after Voldemort thing I agree with
The more I think about the Half Blood Prince feeding and shoe tying the more disturbing it becomes.
@@karensolano3159 because the cringe Level was beyond the scale
Unimaginable cringe
Those 2 scenes should be considered international tragedies
Exactly! Those were the cringiest moments in the entire HP film series. The cringe level literally broke the scale and is still going. If I’d read the books first and then watched the movies, I would never even be able to imagine Ginny feeding Harry a cookie and tying his shoe laces. But, here we are, with those exact scenes making themselves into the movie!
The movies should have never added those scenes.
*The HP Fandom when the Shipping War ended:* memories of the war had not pained fans for years...all was well.
*The HP fandom when they see this video:* why do I hear boss music?
the war never really finished
@@foxes321 true we just shoved them into a closet hoping that would be enough lol
how foolish
Lord have mercy...
This kinda sound like harry potter and the cursed child's plot , replacing love and war
war never changes, only the weapons which we use
The shoe-tying scene is kind of cute when you realise that Daniel Radcliffe has dyspraxia and he struggles with laces, even as an adult.
How funny would it be if that wasn't actually scripted but something they accidentally caught on camera and decided to add in
That is actually kinda cute then.
@@balicard00
In the movie, its awkward. But if what you say was true, that would be really sweet actually.
I also have dyspraxia and was thinking this.
@@theunicornenthusiast7194 You're too much 😂😂
I’d take Anakin talking to Padmé about how he doesn’t like sand than the cringe cookie moment between harry and ginny
If only they followed Ginny's character in the books better, then we wouldn't have cringy moments like that
whos jenny?
I don't like sand...
I don’t like cookies, they are sweet crumby and irritating and they get everywhere!
So true
I think that the reason Hermione always hugs Harry is that it is less awkward so hug your friend then crush
I only recently watched the series, from Sorcerer's Stone to Deathly Hallows parts 1 and 2 (waiting to part 2 till tomorrow).
I was honestly surprised when it turned out she liked Ron instead.
I was never really into Harry Potter, but I was always under the impression that Harry and Hermione were a thing.
@@PS4Pat me too
@@keep_calm_and_love_finction for the record, I mainly never watched Harry Potter because of my grandmother on my dad's side. She didn't want me watching it because of all the witchcraft and whatnot, and according to the Holy Bible witchcraft is an abomination.
Though if you think about it, there're a couple clips/scenes that make it look/seem like she's a thing for Harry.
Hemrione hugs ron too tho idk why people only make it harry
in war when Ron and Hermione was in the chamber i think it was just a spontaneous moment in time if it was Harry instead of Ron it would end up the same if i want to treat this as a possibility that they could end up together, and i think also ginny would be a good pick is bc Ron and harry are best friends and more like brothers honestly so it wouldn't be to far fetch that harry would end up with ginny bc of the connection he has on the family, but i always thought that harry and Hermione were more like brother and sister since they have a similar life they could relate in a way
For me, Harry and Ginny was amazing in the books, but Harry and Hermione should be together in the movies bc Harry and Ginny was horribly awkward in the movies and they ruined Ron in the movies.
Harry was awkward with every girl in the movies. Especially hated the scenes with Cho.
Omg I think the same thing!!
I absolutely agree with you
It didn't help that they never really did anything with Ginny in the movies, like they did with the books. She feels more fleshed out in the books then in the movies.
Agreed
They really did a disservice to Ginny’s character in the movies. They cut out some of her best lines and moments
Same with Ron.
I completely agree, I feel like the majority of people that think Harry and Hermione should be together are either the people that have only watched the movies or haven’t reread the books to see how perfect Harry and Ginny are for each other (should go without saying, but this is my opinion and I’m not saying this is how everyone is or that this is how everyone should think)
Both Ron/Hermione and Harry/Ginny were DESTROYED along with Ron and Ginny in the movies. The film makers pushed the harry/Hermione ship.
Michael Henson In my opinion Ginny from the books was barely a character herself. You say they cut some of her lines... she barely had any. JKR failed to develop her in a good way, having seemingly forgot about her from books 3-4 and rushed to implement her from onwards.
@@tryhardapple2157 Do you think that Neville and Luna are well developed characters?
I was very much okay with Ginny not even crossing Harry's mind until around the fifth book. It was the point. The way her brothers talked about Ginny before made no sense up until then. They were talking about a strong-willed, sharp-tongued sister who also got into trouble. But around Harry she was so tongue-tied, he never had a chance to see her real self. It was only after she got over her debilitating crush and acted like herself around him that Harry was able to even realize he might be interested in her romantically. And I thought that was an important point to make.
oh my god yessss! when we got to see more of Ginny and how amazing and sassy she was, Harry was seeing it too! this doesn't really have to do with your comment but i think the fact that she is Ron's sister is kinda perfect too, making Harry OFFICIALLY part of the Weasley family, feels so important to me. Harry had always seen Ron and Hermione as the siblings he never had and this way they all literally are his brother and sister. that type of love feels stronger to me too and definitely solidifies how permanent their bond is.
Also they were pretty young to have and understand romantic feelings years 1-4 so that definitely delayed their relationship from becoming a thing.
That’s a really good argument but I feel that they should have involved her more in the early books for that to makes sense, so that you got to see that slow change. If we were able to see that then it would be less confusion about why their relationship wasn’t a thing before the later books. This is probably not the movies fault, most likely it’s the books.
@@olleaberg7271 In the books' defence I have to say that before the fifth book and especially in the years 3 and 4 at Hogwarts, Harry was rather busy solving mysteries and not being murdered ^^ Plus, he only really started getting interested in girls at the age of 14. And everything is told from his perspective after all.
@@DarkLordGanondorf190 good point but I didn’t mean that they should have involved her as a romantic character, just as a side character like Neville was in the first books. That would result in a nice and slow transition from friend to good friend to relationship. Then he wouldn’t need to be interested in her before 14 and at the same time she would have a bigger role in the early story.
Nailed it. When I read the books, I thought Harry and Hermione had way more chemistry than Ron and Hermione. Plus, Ron was a drama queen. As a professor, I know a ton of highly intelligent women and none would put up with Ron's drama.
Even if Ron and Hermione aren't meant to be together, that doesn't mean that Harry and Hermione should be together, considering that Harry and Ginny are a completely perfect match, at least in the books (the movies are a different story). It's not a zero sum game: Hermione could have found love with some Ravenclaw, and Ron could have ended up with Lavender or Luna.
And why do you put the blame on Ron for the troubles that their relationship went through? Hermione has her fair share of responsibility for their fights, except of course for the Yule Ball where Ron is unquestionably in the wrong. And besides, you'd be surprised by how many girls identify with Hermione and yet love Ron as a character and vastly prefer Ron/Hermione over Harry/Hermione.
what books did you read? Harry was in Rons side most of the time, had lots of mean thoughts about her and when it was just the 2 of them (GoF) he was bored. When Ron left them in 7, they were both miserable, didn't grow closer at all... and Harry was never attracted to her, Not once
Agreed, even as I was reading the books way back when they came out, and they were still little kids, I just wanted Harry and Hermione to end up together. It seemed to me that they had similar temperaments. Not that that's how people fall in love or anything - maybe it was just my preference.
I would have loved to see Ron and Luna get together - I think I felt that a lot of fun, comedic moments would ensue if they did.
Bruh the books you read are from wish💀 And if you actually read them harry states he likes hermione like a sister
@ThanhNguyen-wv4tx Bruh, your understanding is from wish because the commenter said they had better chemistry, which doesn't necessarily mean romantic chemistry.
You say Ron didn't seem to notice she was someone he could like until like book 4, but Harry never even considered it. You only focused on Hermione's possible feelings for him. She was always his best friend and he loved her, but even if she had a crush on him, he never returned those feelings.
Great points. If anything , it makes Hermione seem like she's pining away for some who doesn't return her feelings.
EXACTLY. Harry never showed an ounce of interest in Hermione. It was all about what Hermione thought about Harry.
He literally said “She’s like my sister. I love her like a sister and I reckon she feels the same way about me. It’s always been like that.” The ‘feels the same way about me’ is probably because Harry is not observant, like AT ALL, but this proves that he wouldn’t be interested in a romantic relationship. Your comment deserves way more attention.
Celia The Ravenclaw Harry picked up on Fleur and Bill before anyone...
Cuz he's a big p
"Hermione, you're a girl"
*visible annoyance*
"Ron, it's... it's a miracle!"
*(Grabs Ron's head)*
"YOU HAVE EYES!!!"
@@insertclevernamehere1186 I love this! all the lols
And now, Inside Harry's mind
"Ron, what have you done?"
Visible heteronormativity.
Seems like I would say to a girl that I like XD
I refute your theory with 3 points:
1. Point
2. Point
3. Point
and secret 4.point
@@indyneptune6530 ssshhhh that's the backup plan
Is 5. Point still a go?
@@shelbyclark3733 no but point 6 is :)
I refute your points with my facts:
1. Fact
2. Fact
3. Fact
I never liked that recurring thing of 3 main characters who are best friends, then 2 of them end up together and the other 1 ends up with someone else. It feels strange because it sort of undeniably and inevitably makes the friend that ends up with someone else, a third wheel and it makes me think that friend will always be considered slightly less important to the 2 friends that end up together. I also just find it kinda weird that Harry ends up with his best friends little sis while his 2 best friends end up together,
Agreed
The great thing about their friendship is actually that they're all the third wheel. Harry or Hermione talk about muggle things, Ron asks if they're talking about a disease. Harry's the Chosen One. Hermione just doesn't understand Ron and Harry's guy talk. While you're right, Ron and Hermione ending up together does make Harry a little more of a third wheel, until that point, they were all the third wheel.
I think it's way more weird for Angelina Johnson to date George after Fred passed away. It so freaking weird, on so many levels, to date the twin brother of your dead boyfriend.
I will live by this in the HP ships, none of the golden trio should've ended up together, they're relationship was too platonic for that
Also about the third wheel thing one thing I love about the way ron and Hermione's relationship played out is that they didn't actually end up kissing and getting together until the last few chapters. If it happened say at the start of deathly hallows harry would've been awkward third wheel the whole time but I feel like the pacing prevented that
As a man who has had lots of really good female friends, there can be an intimacy that can look like romantic love. But really it’s platonic love, a sibling love. A love that is probably more pure because no lust is involved. I think Hermione sees Harry as the brother she always wanted and Harry sees the sister he never had.
@Jeremiah Boyer , I'm a gay woman with about 5 very close decades long friendships with men. I love them very much, respect and admire them - and have thought many times this could happen because in all cases we both knew there was no he/she thing going on. Just people who really dig each other.
"platonic love, a sibling love." it's almost exactly what harry says once in the Deathly Hallows book
I completely feel the same way, I am a dude with only a few guy friends, plus most of my female friends do like boys(some like girls too) so I always get "shipped" with them. But I also got called gay when walking with my brother,so I think that people are just "ship happy"
Could not agree more. All that describes my relationship with my best friend (who I've always considered like a close sister). I'm not into her (although I know objectively she might be my type if not for the friendship we have) and her having recently coming out as a lesbian, I know she's definitely not into *me* that way. But regardless, in high school friends used to always ship us because we were so close and spent every minute we could together. If she were a dude, nobody would've questioned it. But because we were of opposite sexes and everyone knew I was straight and she'd only dated guys to that point, they all assumed we must be secretly into each other because double standards
@@k0pstl939 people are definitely "ship happy"... drives me crazy
YOU’RE ACTUALLY DOING IT
I thought it was a myth
Indy Neptune *you’re
Oop ty
I thought so as well
RMIRONE (Hermione+Ron)
Viktor Krum and Luna love good
I gotta be honest - the fact that Harry and Hermione did *not* get together I thought was one of the best things of the series. How many other stories have Main Boy and Main Girl who are just friends and find love somewhere else? The fact that she avoided writing a love triangle into a story with 3 heroes was great.
EXACTLY
But what a lost for opportunities, it could have been the greatest love triangle ever in the history of literature
I love the story the way it is!
I 100% agree with this!!!!
*looking at Percy Jackson* 👀
I never understood Ron and Hermione, not because they fought a lot, but because it felt, weird, I guess. I've always liked Harry and Hermione as a couple because they're more calm and at ease with each other.
Mee too
Jk had abusive relationship before she became famous so I think her idea of romance is skewed
Harry & Hermione SO should've ended up together! They're cuter & perfect for each other!! Check out this great Harmione mix: th-cam.com/play/PLDBK4zvzrB28OjdeTUUJg1b7QvooMMxsC.html&feature=shared
Yeah the constant fighting was a huge no for me. In the beginning it made sense but after 6 yrs that should’ve gone away. I didn’t see them as compatible. She didn’t need to end up with Harry but Ron was also a bad choice.
how to start a war in the harry potter community
step 1 walk into a harry potter gathering
step 2 yell at your max volume "HARRY SHOULD HAVE ENDED UP WITH HERMIONE!!!"
step 3 walkout as people "discuss" behind you
So, basically, the modus operandi of "Operation Snape Kills Dumbledore 2005" LOL.
flower lol
Lol noice
@flower
I hope I don't offend anyone with this but this is something that has always bothered me so please let me ask
why do shipper never seem to consider the canon sexuality of the characters?
@@MJsMind because in your imagination, anything can be possible. Therefore, cannon doesn't need to be taken into consideration.
“'Miss him?' said Harry. 'I don’t miss him.'
But this was a downright lie. Harry liked Hermione very much, but she just wasn’t the same as Ron. There was much less laughter and a lot more hanging around in the library when Hermione was your best friend."
-Harry Potter (Goblet of Fire)
Thanks!! There's so many instances of Harry just not being able to be alone with Hermione, they wouldn't work out at all, they work out as a friendship, but it's clear Harry sees Hermione as a sister. Ron and Hermione can't be apart, we saw that in book seven and even in book one even Harry thought Hermione was annoying
i legit read that chapter earlier today im
rereading the series thats crazy
also harry and hermione barely speak to each other after ron leaves them together in the tent. you’d think this would be prime time to get together if they actually any feeling for each other
At this point, there’s more justification for Harron than there is for Harmione.
Doesn't he also forget how to do basic things like summoning charms once he's away from Ron, or I dunno if it's another book
The thing that I noticed about Ron and Hermione is that they enjoy arguing with each other. I don’t mean the big fights in books 3 and 4, but the little fights throughout the book. It doesn’t seem that way from Harry’s POV, but judging from the other two’s personality’s, it’s clear they enjoy a good argument. Ron is the only one who actually gives that to Hermione. Harry just shrinks when Hermione tries to start an argument. And I really, really like that Harry and Hermione can just be close friends without dating
I totally agree! I do not know why people need to force every male-female protagonist into a couple. Harry and Hermione show the same love siblings would.
Yeah I feel like the problem with ron and hermione's chemistry is mostly writing based, I don't think Rowling quite succeeded in showing that kind of love-hate banter and instead made it vaguely worrying that they seem to genuinely dislike each other at times
Said perfectly
yes! I bet you if they went to muggle school hermione would convince ron to join debate club w her
That's a really good point
In all honesty, I think one of the biggest reasons we see such a strong case for Harry and Hermione as a couple (which is called Harmony in the fandom, btw. Yes I'm one of them) is less to do with the (checks timestamp) 17+ minutes of extremely obvious chemistry they have, though that is something that's hard to ignore, and more that Rowling seems to fall strongly in favor of the "Bicker with your Crush" school of romantic thought. Harry and Ginny's awkward, somewhat stunted relationship aside, there's no other easy way to explain Ron and Hermione's budding romance while maintaining any semblance of internally-consistent logic without having to resort to explaining all their bickering and fighting and general mutual abrasion by any other means. It's either that they secretly have a crush on each other the whole time... or they're just extremely incompatible and yet somehow end up together with multiple kids.
The problem with this is that I think the mindset of bickering with a crush because said person is just so hyper-focused on them that every little misstep is blown out of proportion (and thus the end result of that is bickering and arguing) is actually not all that representative of how real relationships work, but is *especially* pervasive in fiction and fantasy. We even see it pop up in the Pokemon anime with Ash and Misty, even though they're not all that close in age and nothing ever actually comes of it. People nevertheless seem to think that two friends bickering constantly and picking on each other is a *clear sign* that they're secretly pining after one another, which just doesn't seem to hold up all that often in the real world. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it would certainly explain why there are so many people contrasting that relationship in particular with the hypothetical Harmony ship.
The argument isn't even that hard to make: Ron and Hermione bicker constantly, have almost polar opposite interests, treat academics (something we know is absolutely *integral* to Hermione's self-identity) in completely opposite ways, and in general just seem to largely be friends with each other because of their mutual friendship with Harry. Ron, it seems, was perfectly capable of dismissing Hermione as a know-it-all bookworm until he *literally went through a life-or-death situation with her*, after which he almost begrudgingly accepts her as a friend once she *takes the blame for the entire troll situation despite it having nothing to do with her*. Remember, she didn't go seek out the troll, she was crying in the bathroom completely unaware of the troll *because Ron hurt her feelings so badly that she skipped dinner*.
Simply the fact that the above isn't present in Harry's relationship with her speaks volumes to the quality of the potential romance between them. I wouldn't be surprised if people simply couldn't accept that Ron and Hermione would *ever* work out romantically, and thus the next most obvious thing is the surprisingly well-supported Harmony ship. You don't need to look all that hard to find example after example of ways in which Harry and Hermione work well together, and suddenly it seems kind of strange that Hermione ended up with *anybody* else.
To get back to the initial point about Hermione and Ron being written more from Rowling's perspective of "bicker with your crush", the overall point here is that it isn't as much that Harry and Hermione just have *that strong* of a case going for the two of them getting romantically involved, but rather that in an effort to try and foreshadow Ron and Hermione's mutual feelings for each other, Rowling inadvertently created an extremely polarizing relationship: Either the reader is completely on board with the bickering-means-romantic-feelings explanation and successfully views it as foreshadowing of the eventual romantic payoff in the last two books, OR the reader sees it as a litany of incompatibilities that might eventually bleed into the romance, and then the fact that they start spiraling into a romance with each other seems like a last-minute out-of-nowhere addition for sake of subverting the "Hero gets the girl" trope.
Basically TL;DR it's not so much that Harry and Hermione are so compatible, but rather that you either agree with Rowling presenting Ron and Hermione as a bickering-means-feelings relationship OR you see it as a strong counterexample to their romantic compatibility and Harry/Hermione is the next best thing.
Im not reading all this 😂
@@JordanDelp Wow yeah I don't remember writing all this. TLDR is that the fandom probably didn't go for Harry and Hermione so much because they're so compatible, there's lots of examples in the books of their incompatibilities, but because if you already don't buy into Ron and Hermione nor Harry and Ginny because of their other incompatibilities, it's sort of the next most obvious option. Once you're there, of course, you find that they actually do have a lot of good complementary traits, but that's sort of a perk rather than the point a lot of the time.
@@robertsteffler5155I liked it, it was a very good analysis and breakdown. I do think it's worth mentioning that each time Ron leaves the group (mad at Harry in book 4, storms out book 7), the loss is extremely felt. Harry mentions in book 4 that he likes Hermione very much, but she's just not as good company as Ron. "Spend a lot less time laughing and a lot more time in the library."
There are many nights where they barely talk to each other in book 7, depressed at Ron's absence. Ron and Hermione "bicker" a lot, but they both seem to enjoy picking each other's brains. It's Harry that doesn't like the constant debating.
@@robertsteffler5155 yeah that makes sense
Dude why is everyone writing essays How many times do I have to say this IT ISN’T SCHOOL😅😂😂
The most ridiculous thing about hte whole harry hermoine relationship is that we are in harry head like we know how he feels what he thinks he never thinks about hermoine romantically in seven years
TBH that's the only reason why Harry/Hermione doesn't work. It's quite obvious from the books that Hermione worships Harry, to the point of being willing to sacrifice her life for him. It's just unfortunate for her that he has a thing for redheads. (I've always shipped H/Hr, but this imbalance pretty much guarantees to me that they will never be together).
MusicalBasics Hermione absolutely DOES NOT worship Harry. The trio creates a family with unbreakable bonds. She definitely appreciates his talent as a wizard but worship? No.
MusicalBasics worships him? I would make the argument she pity’s his life as a big sister would pity their little brother, it’s also worth reminding that Harry and Hermione don’t have siblings and I believe that they fill that void for each other.
I would also argue that Ron is at least willing to challenge Hermione in how she thinks and acts whereas Harry just kind of puts up with her as is, even going so far as to avoid her when Ron is not around. All further proof that there are no romantic feelings between Harry and Hermione. They are simply best friends/siblings who grow to love each other in a non romantic way.
@@MusicalBasics Hermione Granger only worships herself.
@@anusritineogi3168 that actually not a good thing to say about a character or person.
Him *struggles to find a ship name*
Me: HINNY
Him: before u say hinny
Me: ...
Gary the ultimate ship name
@@fimpy1143 That must be the reason rowling shipped them! It has to be!
I love how close Hermione and Harry are without it being romantic. It was really meaningful to me growing up seeing a wonderfully intimate BUT platonic friendship between them.
omg i totally agree!!!
Yes! The best relationships are based in a deep friendship, but that doesn’t mean every deep friendship *has* to turn into a relationship.
Yep, and there's only a certain amount of time that a relationship of that kind can work . . . by adulthood, that, in my experience, does not work at all.
I like it, but in my experiences, it is NOT realistic. Anytime I spend any alone time with male friends they get the wrong idea. And I truly don’t do anything different with them than any other friend. If I even text or talk to them more often they start to get feelings. Girls and guys can be friends but it seems like there is always a limit.
I’m down for platonic friendships, but your romantic relationships should be at least as good as your platonic friendships.
When I was reading the books for the first time, I was waiting for Harry and Hermione to be together only to be utterly disappointed in Harry’s girlfriend choice. IT WAS LEADING UP TO THE MOMENT SO WELL!!!!!!!!!!
Bffr it was so obvious it wad ron
Harry literally called her borring
I dunno how the books lead you to that 😂
I thought the same when I was reading the books back in the day. I really did feel like Harry and Hermione was going to end up together.
@@dasneuge9704 Thank you for reassuring me instead of going out of your way just to shut me down. I appreciate it. 😊
Bonnie Wright is such an amazing person and she did what she could, but the directors have CONSISTENTLY taken away from other characters in order to boost up Hermione. I love her, but they made her wayyyyy too perfect in the movies and took a lot away from both Ron and especially Ginny.
Yep! Dominic Noble calls it Legolas Syndrome
@@Orangeninja5000 god I loved those videos also Quinn curio managed to explain why Ron and Hermione is a good relationship
it real sad even the movie Kloves didnt write for which was OotP the book where ginny has her coming out party and really comes into her own they took all of her bright moments away and just cut them instead giving her very little other then her skill with reducto
true and she rlly only was terrible in the second half of the half blood prince, she's great in the movies before that
16:17 "If you want to kill Harry you'll have to kill us too!" Notice she is also willing to sacrifice Ron for Harry lol
ye
and she stole rons line as well she always does hat in the films
@Anything From The Trolley Dears? yeah that's fine, still funny that movie Hermione said that. I've read the books a few times when I was a teen, but not thoroughly enough to know every line that is and isn't from the book
I feel Ron was more caring in a way in the books. In the movies he has his moments but I never saw him ever be too emotional with Harry. I know it's a movie and you only have so much time to fit things in and they did a great job don't get me wrong usually book to movie adaptations are horrible it's just they fleshed out Hermione and Harry's relationship so much that they didn't go deeper into Harry and Ron's. Even Ron and Hermione had a lot more moments than Ron and Harry. It's just a little nit pick though.
I mean I think she was five minutes away from unalivinf him herself in the last book 😂
*"Hey"*
Why not? Her biggest idol is Dumbledore and he's sacrificed at least a few dozen without permission.
Steve Kloves and David Yates are the reason Ginny and Harry's relationship is ruined in the films. They took away all of Ginny's charisma, fire, and agency. They chose to replace the kiss after the quidditch match and the kiss on harry's birthday with feeding Harry, shoe-tieing, and a weird short kiss in front of George: disgraceful choices
Steve Kloves also messed up Ron and Hermione's characters. Movie Ron is ...well, utterly useless, and all his good parts have been given to Hermione. and Movie Hermione is pretty much generic mary sue no.14864
What were they thinking? did they want Harry to have his first kisses in the Room of requirement or what?
@@parthvisharma5866 They’re incompetent BS writers. I’m astonished why Rowling didn’t boot them.
I remember being so disappointed / upset when Harry and Hermione didn’t end up together. I felt like JK wrote it the way she did to keep them all together. It always felt forced and not genuine to me. I was so happy when JK finally admitted that Harry and Hermione should’ve ended up together.
Yeah it’s more of a writing mistake than anything. Probably the biggest in the series.
Well keep ur yap and your problems to yourself. Nobody asked for your opinon
Unfortunately that's not what is true. It was always going to be Ron and Hermione from book one. Harry and Ginny from book two.
@@eamonlyons8069it was at the beginning, but all, including the author, said that it was a mistake and that harry & hermione should‘ve ended up together.
Harry & Hermione SO should've ended up together! They're cuter & perfect for each other!! Check out this great Harmione mix: th-cam.com/play/PLDBK4zvzrB28OjdeTUUJg1b7QvooMMxsC.html&feature=shared
Finally, one i disagree with. Harry and Hermione always seemed to have more like sibling love. I knew in book 1 that Ron and Hermione were going to be together because of how awkward they seemed in the beginning. Like they were both trying to figure out their friendship. They grew into their relationship. Hermione seemed to have feelings for Ron first and was just waiting for Ron to figure it out.
You hit the nail on the head! I feel like Ron keeps her on her toes and she doesn't have that with anyone else
@@spindleproops Harry and ginny were obviously going to get to together since book two came out i understand why harry didn't realise what he felt until his sixth year and
YES
Kieran lake What do you mean? Maybe Ginny, but Harry? She was just Ron’s weird sister to him in book 2.
Ron and Hermione’s relationship is a whole mood lol
i just think there is a lot of hermione and ron we missed due to it being Harry's perspective. They spent a lot of time in his shadow. Plus Hermione's friend Ginny kinda has a thing for Harry
Exactly. We only ever see Hermione and Ron when they're with Harry and it would make sense that he mostly relay to the reader the negative or dramatic interactions. Dramas fun and more interesting to read. I mean who would want to read seven books of Harry telling the reader about how Ron and Hermione are sitting quietly talking or doing homework all the time. That's boring.
Exactly. Remember the time when Harry can't go to Hogsmeade in PoA, and Ron and Hermione come back looking like they've had the time of their lives?
I hadn't thought about this.. Being that it is all, more or less, from Harry's perspective.. did the fights that Hermione and Ron have really go as badly as we thought? Were they really as big as they were shown to be?
@@mckenziecampbell4418 Yes.. because it was the writers inflections on them. These are not real people so what info we get is the info that is available. As for the having the time of their lives they where 13 and got to go outside of the school virtually unsupervised and there shops, sweets, etc that was brand new. If I take two siblings to Disney World and they come back having had the time of their lives.. should we be thinking the kids are into each other?
@@almightykue3914 You are contradicting your own argument. If two kids hugs each other means they are into each other? One could interpret Harry and Hermione relationship as platonic/romantic. It was a endless argument. But Romione relationship is strictly romantic.
What I learned from this video: Hermione really ships Cho and Harry and probably writes fanfiction about them
TorchTorque LovesMagneticDreams she definitely had a betting pool going on them. 😂
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The dance scene with Harry and Hermione in the movie is so well done. It made me cry the first time i watched it. The actors have chemistry with each other, you don't feel that with emma and rupert or Daniel and Bonnie.
Harry & Hermione SO should've ended up together! They're cuter & perfect for each other!! Check out this great Harmione mix: th-cam.com/play/PLDBK4zvzrB28OjdeTUUJg1b7QvooMMxsC.html&feature=shared
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I feel like modern culture doesn’t allow men and women to be “friends” without assuming romantic issues. I always viewed them as best friends
I mean ron is her friend too
@@putraduha3176 Sure, but there's a difference, at least thematically, because Harry is the main guy. The best friend argument against Harry/Hermione works better than against Ron/Hermione because Harry is main guy and Hermione is main girl. There is no imbalance in the Trio with R/Hr, but there is one with H/Hr.
I viewed them as siblings
Nah. They had soo much chemistry that I couldn’t see them as friends. I see Luna and Harry as friends because that’s how friends act together. Me and my gf of 5 years practically had the same relationship as Harry and hermione as far as chemistry goes now that I think about it 😂😂😂
@@Willyoart Maybe in the movies, but not in the books.
Even though i ship Harmione- lemme just say that:
I wish the trio didnt ended up with one another. Like Ron and Hermione or Harry with Hermione. It felt like splitting the trio apart. If one of them ended up together, it doesnt feel like a trio anymore.
Plus,when Ron and Hermione is dating, Harry said he felt lonely. He doesnt have any other closer friends than the two, and with the two dating, Harry felt even more secluded. Same reason why i think even though i ship Harmione, they shouldnt ended up together because Ron will felt that way.
Best case scenario: None of the trio ended up together and each of em marry someone else yet still be close friends even when adults.
That's why J.K. Rowling put Ginny with Harry, so they are a foursome.
@@MrParkerman6 this sounds so wrong
Or harry and Hermione could wait till ron gets a girl that way he wont feel lonely
My friend got the girl so I bleeped his sister
Harmione also sounds like Harmony. lol
My love for Hermione and Harry's relationship is that it ISN'T romantic. They have an incredibly strong platonic bond, and they don't need to be romantic to love each other.
YES! Same!! I’m so glad they didn’t end up together. And I stand firm that Ron loved her from the beginning. The more I read the books, I pick up on subtle things he does and I really think that was why he picked on her so much in the beginning.
@@xxWhitey09xx This this this.
yep
Louder for the people in the back.
Totally agree! True love can also be in a form of friendship.
I am a major Huna shipper. While I do love Harry and Ginny in the books , I also think Harry and Luna actually work very well.
For the films I can see the argument, they give her arguably Ginny's best moment from the book to her. She brings him out of his isolation and depression, something that Ginny does in the books.
@@intergalactic92 Nah, I like 'em in the books. I am not usually thinking about the Potter films 'cos everytime I do I get sad at the wasted potential if they just ADAPTED IT PROPERLY. Sorry.
Larry shipper lol
In the books harry found luna too awkward and luna wasn't that understanding in the books either she was a mad conspiracy theorist who spoke her mind
True!! UT I'm a handy all day gal UT I can appreciate a good hunt shipper
Here’s the thing. I have a similar friendship with two guys. The one I’m not secretly in love with, I am freely affectionate and tell him I love him (as a friend). We vibe well and get along perfectly. The one I AM secretly in love with I am not as quick to embrace him and we also mock each other often; sometimes brutally. So, I think that might be human nature?
I was thinking about this too. I'd say people are projecting by nature, so e.g. when they hug someone who they don't secretly crush on, they don't give it a second thought (because friends hug each other so just showing affection). When it is someone they do have a crush on, it's always wondering 'Did I hug them too quickly, for too long, is it obvious how I really feel etc'. They're more guarded with their emotions because they're hiding how they feel. At least that's my experience :D
@Emily Puckett do you need me to play the banjo?
SCB: Neville is a Samurai
Me: Yeah? That’s cool, convince me.
SCB: Harry and Hermione belong together
Me: No. You can’t change my mind.
Too be honest,I think if Harry didn’t had that time when he saw Dean kissing Ginny,he probably would of got together with Hermione
Same. I'm a hard core Romione shipper. And I love Book Hinny as well ❤
Same
Romione forever!
Exactly.
Is Hermione helping set Harry up with other girls really a sign of feelings for him? I think she cares about him a lot in an older sister sort of way and is like “oh jeez this poor boy needs my help with dating”
Hermione is meaner to Ron about dating because she’s into him and wants him to notice.
"gngngn they're like siblings"
www.reddit.com/r/harrypotter/comments/hhg5j5/harry_and_hermione_are_like_siblings/
@@shinekuelsword2412 some of those examples are great points, other examples make me wonder what kind of weird repressed no-touch siblingship the people arguing it is not like siblings, have. I hug my brother more than my sister, even, because I see him more often. That's the advantage of siblings, even: they aren't boys or girls first and foremost. They are your siblings above all else (if you are lucky and don't suffer antagonism).
@@shinekuelsword2412 I see this argument popping up quite often as of recently, but has it not occurred that 1) Harry and Hermione are aware that they're not _actual_ siblings 2) that Harry is the younger brother and Ron is the older brother and 3) that different personalities mesh with each other in different ways and thus interact differently? Of course some of them read weirdly, just like it would read weirdly if you switched other combinations. That doesn't mean that Harry and Hermione aren't _like_ siblings in that they relate to each other as such.
@@shinekuelsword2412 switch Dudley petunia or narcissa draco with molly Ron. Then read the books. And come back to me. It will feel cringey af. Why? Does that mean Molly Ron aren't child-parent?? They are something different?? 😂😂😂😂 what a load of rubbish. Each and every person shares a completely different dynamic with other people. Ron is not like Harry. Ginny is not like Hermione. Ofcourse it would look odd if we replace them as Ron and Ginny share a different dynamic than harry and Hermione.
Their crush was set in the first book, it was so clear since the start. She even throw tantrums all the time to Ron to notice her. They even spend a lot of time together without harry, hermione wrote a letter to harry in book 3 that constantly speak about ron, he was so visible upset when she was petrified by the basilisk, he also was so offended when Malfoy said the racist slur against her, she was trying to get to him always because she knows he is so low confident by being the shadowed sibling of 7, the best friend of the famous harry potter that constantly is in the shadow by it, but she committed the mistake of dating Ron's favourite Quidditch player that lead in the future to Ron use Lavander to get her jealous.
I wasn't that big on Ron and Hermione, but I really appreciated having Hermione and Harry be a very close platonic friendship. That isn't shown enough in books or movies. ... And frankly, I can't see Hermione as the sort of person who would marry *anybody* from high school. I think the OTP for her would have been somebody she meets during an master's apprenticeship in Europe or something.
I mean UK is in Europe. But, yes, none of those people should have ended with each other long term. School romances dont last that long.
Just look at the difference between Ron and Harry’s reactions to Hermione’s torture in Malfoy Manner. And both Hermione and Ron offers to take each other’s place
Yessss
That was honestly such a traumatic scene to experience as a kid that I forgot it until you mentioned it again.
This comment is so underrated!
I dont really see that as a point for ron and Hermione cuz at that point it was already well into motion for JK to put them together which is why it felt so rushed for their relationship and relationships in general.
@@RavagHer It's a point for Ron/Hermione over Harry/Hermione because it shows you how differently they reacted to Hermione being tortured. Ron completely freaked out. Harry's reaction wasn't as visceral.
1. Grey’s Anatomy has been good for one thing at least: your person doesn’t have to be your romantic partner. You can be super close with someone and not be in love him/her/them. You can admire them without romantic feelings. You might even click with them more than with your significant other.
2. Ron and Hermione have passion, their bickering, the slow burn of their relationship. There is fire. They challenge each other in a way that Harry and Hermione just don’t. They might drive each other mental sometimes but they grow through that.
I think for every argument Ben‘s made here there is just as much to find for Ron and Hermione.
FINALLY someone who sees it almost exactly like I do. There are so many instances in the books where the two are arguing about something, but they enjoy it. They have fun debating, because in the books Ron is actually intelligent (Wizard Chess) and can debate with Hermione on an equal level. It's just a different form of intelligence.
@@garrondumont So true. We don't even hear the vast majority of the arguments because Harry hates arguing and tunes out from them. Harry and Hermione would be terrible together as Harry would either avoid or lie to Hermione (as he did in the books) whenever he thought an argument was coming. They would never work anything out and wouldn't last more than a couple of months tops.
Harry even noticed it in OOTP. When he inturrpted them, they looked offended. That means they enjoyed bickering.
I just felt like romance was J.K.’s weakest spot
Agree
True
Same. I'm a Luna-Harry shipper, and I think Ginny should've been around Harry a lot more often due to their experiences.
The romances were never supposed to BE the main plot point to begin with.
@@GuineaPig361 wait that was a ship for Luna and Harry?
5:39 - Not everything has to be about Harry... she was helping Ginny to get over her crush
Also, Ron and Hermione don't really fight a lot, Ron is just one of the few people who actually enjoy debating with her
Exactly harry and hermione personalities don't fit there nothing special about them
I agree with you, because I am one of these persons, that love to discuss. Of course, also with my friends. I love it to debating with my friends for no reason at all and they know that I am not serious. And, yeah, Ron and Hermione have also fights, but a lot of it, is just "friendly fighting".
Well actually in the movies mostly she cried because of Ron so not really but ok…
@@GhostFace169 In the movies. Read the books I guess
They argued because of Ron's insecurities but once he got over them it was great.
I just want to bring up the scene where Hermione was more harsh with Ron than Harry when wondering why Cho cried after she and Harry kissed. I don't think Hermione being harsh with Ron has anything to do with any lack of affection towards him. Her aggressiveness seems more like a response to Ron's aggressiveness. Think about and compare Ron's comments about Cho's crying to Harry's comments about Cho's crying. Ron's comments seem more judgmental and harsh, while Harry seemed genuinely curious and concerned. Hermionie's harshness towards Ron in answering him was merely an answer to Ron's harshness. It is not indicative of whether she has feelings for Ron or not. Her response is indicative of her empathy, understanding, and compassion towards Cho and her situation.
Totally agree. I also have a problem with the whole Hermione being aware of Cho meaning she sees her as a rival. Naw, she's just emotionally intelligent as well as sensitive. I could've explained the Cho crying thing as fast because it is OBVIOUS.
@@yamitsukikarasu8857 She also notices Cho because she cares about Harry's happiness. Of course she's going to pay attention to the girl her best friend fancies
Great points! In addition, I think Hermione takes Ron's judgemental behaviour towards girls more seriously because she doesn't want him to treat her that way.
Moreover, I think that Hermione with Ron and harry with Ginny make complete sense in the BOOKS. In the movies Hermione and Ron had no chemistry, and Ginny was nothing like she was in the books after the 2nd film. I think this changes everyone's perceptions because you picture the movie characters when you read the books!
Also the fact that Harry still has some emotional awareness education that he desperately needs thanks to his abusive and neglectful family. He literally might not understand all these emotions. Yes he has some maturity as its book 5 but that kind of thing does awful things to your view of human interaction.
Ron and Hermione argue because debate is stimulating to them. He's the only one to challenge her in that way, because everyone else either assumes Hermione's right or says nothing to avoid confrontation. Ron is the only one who actually argues with her, which can look hostile, but is actually stimulating and interesting to them. They do have their actual fights but a lot of bickering that went on between them was more like debate.
Yeah a lot of people think of arguing and conflict as a bad thing but as long it gets talked about and not avoided it can be healthy. For example in the fourth year when Ron refused to talk to Harry about their conflict.
@@mighty_polar_bear3786 It was _Harry_ who refused to talk to Ron during their conflict. Ron at one point was concerned about him and went to check up on him but Harry blew up and threw a badge at his face.
People who ship Ron and Hermione believe that a guy needs to be mean to a girl to show that he loves her. After all if Ron wouldn't be mean to Hermione then he doesn't love her. Bickering can get ugly in the real world. He made her cry. If it was playful then it's fine. He shows on the number of occasions that he doesn't understand her. Besides Rowling Rupert Grint and Emma Watson said that Ron and Hermione need marriage counselling. Debate is when 2 people have something interesting to say. Ron is clueless about many things. Similar intellectual level is needed for constructive debate.
@@klaudiagrob Oh my god grow up. It’s sad you keep trolling book readers.
For the movies: Harry and Hermione
For the books: Ron and Hermione
In the books, Harry was kinda mean in his inner thoughts when it would be just him and Hermione. Like how he appreciates Hermione's friendship but there were more laughing moments with Ron, but with Hermione it was more quiet and study times with her. There was definitely a favorite friend thing going on
Yeah exactly I always felt like book Harry was a little unappreciative of Hermione until they specifically needed her brains for some adventure
Which was the favorite do you think?
@@madelinegutierrez1720 It is specifically stated in the books that he loved Hermione (but not in a romantic way), but she wasn't nearly in the same league as his best friend, Ron.
I mean, guys do tend to have more fun with other guys, and more quiet moments with the women they're interested in.
Ron is mean to Hermione. But people who ship Ron and Hermione feel that a guy needs to be mean to a girl if he loves her.
I have always found Harry and Hermione's friendship extremely wholesome, so I beg to differ. I'm and will always be team Lunarry, for thematic and character reasons. Thematically, it's rather fitting: Harry is a true Griffindor and a Leo (Sun planet), while Luna is the Moon. I also find their exchanges very endearing and full of levity. Most importantly , Luna has often had a lighter view on death, and as a loving partner, she could've helped Harry pull through his past traumas. Conversely, Harry would be ideal in keeping Luna grounded on important and practical matters. All said, they would complement each other nicely in the end.
what
That's interesting... I would have gone with Hermione first and would have been fine with Luna. I just thought Jenny was so off as a partner for Harry. It still rubs me wrong.
@@windywednesday4166 I agree, Ginny is so left field
And Harry and Ginny only came together because of Voldemort. Would they last in peacetime due to being connected by trauma more than happy memories?
@@diogohenriquemagal6960 I also thought from the outset that Harry and Luna showed brilliant potential as a couple, and JKR's use of names throughout the series (Sirius Black, a black dog; Remus Lupin, a (were)wolf; Narcissa and Lucius Malfoy, also with obvious meanings, etc.) made me see Luna as a good love for Harry. Their date to Slughorn's Christmas party could have been **HUGE.**
Me: I’m not sure about Harry and Hermione it’s a bit far fetched but I’ll listen to reason
Ben: *RON AND LUNA!*
Me: *Sorry what!?*
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@@AStangeSoup lol
I always thought it would either be luna and Neville or neville and ginny. But luna and Ron is strange
Ben: "I am team Harmione!"
Me: *spills some of my tea*
He just dropped the tea _for_ you
I spiled something today so
I am also team Harmione
Same
Goes on to say the importance of reading title on TH-cam videos doesn't it. duh!
Same
In regards to the Christmas gift thing, ron giving hermuonie perfume was supposed to symbolize him seeing her as a girl, instead of just a friend like harry does.
Exactly! I always thought it was cute- like he suddenly didn’t know what to get her because he wanted to get her something nice but was just oblivious.
Doesn't do him any favors. Felt that showed that he doesn't even know Hermione herself well enough to get her something she actually likes. Meanwhile Harry got her something he knows she'd like.
Harry and Hermoine in the books have a really good friendship, this can be seen many times like when Rita skeeter is writing recklessly about them being together but still none of them blushed even slightly at the Idea,because they always see each other as Brother and Sister ,As Harry later revealed in the Deathly Hallows. Moreover the book Ginny is everything Harry wants,funny,smart,savage,and good at Quidditch too. But Book Hermoine is sometimes too abide by rules and is often Annoying Harry. But when it comes to the Movies they literally destined to be together, because the Steve Kloves just wasted Ginny and Ron's actual charecters. They were more like nothing except for being there and that's why Harry's sudden Attention to Ginny seem a lot more inappropriate
AGREE 💯
And after seeing the reunion where Emma admitted around the 4th movie she wanted to quit, it makes me think did they purposely push this romance tension, and have her as second lead to keep her around? Because from this point onwards Harry's friendship with Ron is completely unexplored, his love interests might as well not exist and even his friendship with people like Hagrid suffer. Hermione is portrayed as his 'best friend' and the his go to support when this was never her role in the books. It was Rons.
That's a good point.
@@sarad2659 Not that Harry's friendship with Ron was well explored in the books either past GoF. He's almost missing for large chunks of OotP, and without the romantic plot, he basically wouldn't be in HBP at all. JKR apparently almost killed off Ron in HBP, and I can see why; it would've made him a meaningful character again in a series where he seemed to be becoming less and less important. But instead he lived, and the Seventh book did a lot of work to reaffirm his place in the trio before the series ended, and did pretty well overall.
Oh, and Hermione definitely was as important a support for Harry as Ron, even in the books. Just in a very different sort of way. Ron handled the stress and the commiseration, and Hermione handled the self doubt and cut through confusion.
One of my favorite scenes in all of the movies is the dance between Harry and Hermione in the tent. It felt real and raw, not because it was romantic, but because it wasn't. It just a nice moment between two friends who had been through a lot together. A lot of us have relationships like that in our own lives.
I completely agree! It was a good song too, I downloaded it on Spotify haha
Alexandra Borders what’s the song called lol
The thing with Ron and Hermione fighting all the time is an invalid argument, though. There's a scene in Order of the Phoenix were Harry tells them off for fighting all the time and they both get angry with him for it, making it pretty clear that they enjoy it.
Also, there's two major moments that shows Harry's lack of feelings for Hermione:
1. Harry missing his friendship with Ron in Goblet of Fire and feeling that Hermione is a "less fun" friend
2. "I love her like a sister! And I'm sure that she feels the same way about me" in Deathly Hallows
The relationship stuff is perfect as it is in the books, according to me
Yes thank you for pointing this out. Ppl forget that there is evidence that Ron and Hermione enjoy bickering.
I know right, Ron and Hermione clearly enjoy bickering and debating with one another... I mean I’m team Romione so idk maybe I’m bias
Thinking that Ron and Hermione enjoy bickering is mere interpretation. I could just as well say that Ron and Hermione were shocked that Harry did not choose either side in their bickering, or rather, that he was acting as if both of them were wrong.
Yess I agree 100%
Though i can agree on the argument, alot of people in these comments are talking about how “ in real relationships you can love a person without being attracted to them and being a good friend.” Which is totally true. But i also know for a fact that in real relationships, bickering can get really ugly and fighting spells toxicity. I vote for Harry and Hermione cause no relationship is better than a healthy one!
And a couple hundred fanfic writers are screaming "It's called HARMONY"
That’s me
If we are being persnickety, which I will be of course. Shouldn’t it be Harmione?
I think Harmony rolls of the tongue a bit easier. Also, it’s more... HARMONIOUS.
I’ll see myself out.
According to my fanfiction.net days, it’s Harmione
@@hambone.fakenamington Originally it was, but it's thee most common non-canon pairing so it got written so many times that it was made neater.
I always felt that Harry and Hermione's friendship was a kin to brother and sister and Harry even says so. As far as Ron and Hermione go they became friends when they were young before there was any interest so Ron didn't see it at first (this happens quite often) and in the books at least Ron helps keep Hermione grounded. I thought that Harry and Luna would always be a good couple but was not totally upset with the Ginny one when not comes to the books.
Harry couldn’t really say anything other than her being like a sister to him at the time. Ron had a sword and had just come back from abandoning them for monthd
Exactly. Also, if you listen to Harry's thoughts in the books it makes it pretty clear that he does not confide in her at all. He also describes how much less she's fun to be around than Ron. He literally doesn't care when Hermione fawns over Lockhart, dates Krum or when Ron shows an interest in her. Honestly, if you read the books it's really hard to ship Harry and Hermione romantically. I was really surprised when I found out how many people ship Harry and Hermione.
Oooo she told him to be careful right before he almost walked into certain death. Must mean she loves him.
Pfft
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAS QUEEN!!!!!
oooo ron keeps argueing with hermione, must mean true love XD srsly we all have different points
Right?! Lol
you're being sarcastic right?
Idk man I kinda see them as best mates. Harrmione works, but a platonic relationship also stands up.
Ye
While I understand a lot of your points, I feel like Harry and Hermione ending up together really cheapens the ability of characters to have a very strong relationship without becoming romantically involved. Harry and Hermione have such an amazing platonic relationship to the point where they are best friends at pretty much the same level as Ron and Harry. We don’t see that all that often in literature. Sure, male leads have female friends, but often the ones that get close enough to consider a best friend end up romantically involved with the character. I’m personally a big fan of how Harry and Hermione stayed so personally connected without having romantic attraction to one another!
Harry Luna , Harry ginny could have been friends
My experience in real life is, that this happens almost in every hetero male female best friend relationship, at some point atleast one of them gets feelings, atleast if they are both single. i think harry+hermoine having feelings at some point would be much more realistic for 2 people who match perfectly. It's a bit unrealistic to say, that both of them never thought about it.
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Harry and Ginny.
Book 1-Ginny is still just a little girl and cries
2- Ginny has a crush on Harry
3-Ginny still has a crush on Harry
4-Ginny and Harry spend a short time together at the quidditch cup but don't speak much. Harry likes Cho, Ginny probably would have either seen it for herself or spoken to Hermione about it.
5- Harry falls flat on his face with Cho and Ginny starts to date other guys and finally starts to speak to Harry as they hang out more (Harry takes note), Harry also takes note of the power and talent Ginny has compared with other girls, the fact that she comes with them to the order of phoenix.
6- Harry spends ALOT of time with Ginny in the summer and notices how easy, funny and pretty Ginny has become.
Harry then notices all the girls that are after him purely for fake often shallow reasons and becomes understands the full implications of a love potion.
Ginny and him go to Slughorn's parties and he just enjoys her company. So to see Ginny with another man (much like Ron) forces him to be confronted with his feelings for Ginny. Because, up until then, he had kind of taken her for granted and had been slowly getting to know her as she became more confident talking to him and getting to know him in return. Also, Ginny has become popular, pretty and powerful all on her own, something Harry finds attractive in women (Cho case in point who is both very popular and pretty)
Ginny is a talented quiddich player, so they shared that in common, Harry spends even more time with her at school and sees how awesome a player she actually is. Harry, (thanks to hermione) has grown accustomed to independent, strong and powerful women! AND she shares the same interests as him!
So, she stops being "some girl who used to have a crush on him" to being an awesome witch who sees Harry for who he is. Unlike all the other fake girls who just want the fame.
Finally, its no coincidence that Ginny has red hair. Of course she could have been blonde or brunnette etc., but her having Red hair sealed the deal for me. She reminds him of his mother and there is nothing wrong with that. Harry never states that, but he does find the red hair an extra attractive, quality that probably reminds him of his ma and also that his own father was attracted to red heads. But all in all its clear that Harry falsl for Ginny for all the reasons mentioned above.
7-Ginny admits that she never really stopped liking him. For a while it seemed like it was never going to happen, harry was too popular and she couldn't even speak to him whilst meanwhile he was fawning over another even prettier girl Cho. But she alwyas stuck up for Harry, fought alongside him and believed in him. She even fought Hermione (her bf) in the 5th book when Harry gets kicked off the team! And again Harry takes note of this. But most of all, she knows Harry because of all the time they spent together at the Burrow growing up. And when a guy saves your life and then teaches you how to defend yourself you never forget that. So, when Harry kisses her I bet she was both surprised and elated that something she probably dreamt about, finally happened and they go off to talk things through instead of celebrate in Griffindor's tower.
She is calm, she rarely cries, she is funny and capable -and Harry loves her for all of those reasons, so when he leaves her, he knows that for her to NOT cling on to him and keep him with her, even though it would have broken her heart, shows just how much she loves him and knows him to let him go. And she is ofc rewarded for her efforts when he does return for her after the battle.
So yeah these are the things I noticed when I deliberately looked for them from book 4 on.
Bonus-Even though Harry leaves with Ron and Hermione, she never gets jealous like Cho because she understands that Harry doesn't have feelings for Hermione and she trusts them both.
Nice essay. Pls don’t take this the wrong way. But seriously very good point
Eragor the Kindhearted plus he described other characters (mostly male) as attractive over Hermione... tho that might be Rowling being straight
Sumayya Wright wow you wrote A lot and it makes a good point 😀
Do you know that Harry and Ginny are distant cousins? Of course removed but still. I don't like them at all.
@@klaudiagrob How come there are distant cousins? Who is the common relative?
It's been a long time since I read the books, but I'm just gonna add my voice to the Luna+Harry ship. She was such a great ball of sunshine in Harry's world, not because she was bubbly necessarily, but because she was one of the few characters who never really asked much of Harry other than to hold her shoes while they walked in the forest. She was always a calm place in a chaotic world for our chosen one.
I respect that but I've always felt that Luna should have ended up with Neville.
@@niamhiebeanie8661 same
Seconded
Yes Harry and Luna was what I wanted! But Luna with newts grandson is cute too
Honestly, the movies reinforce Harry and Hermione because Steve Kloves' favorite character was Hermione, so he gave a lot of Ron's kind and exposition lines to her, which ultimately led to Ron, one of my favorite character in the books, to become a dim-witted, whiny, comic-relief character in the movies, with added lines bashing Hermione. Ron and Hermione's bickering to me always came across as them having fun with one another. Ron was really the only one to verbally challenge Hermione, it's like a game of verbal chess. And the movies really did flatten out and screw up Ginny's character real bad. Moral of the story: J.K. Rowling is not good at writing romance and the movies really did not do anything to help that shortcoming.
Also, don't forget that they started making the films before all the books had been published, so wouldn't have known at the start that Harry and Ginny would eventually end up together
@@Inkyminkyzizwoz J.K. has stated that she initially intended to put Harry and Hermione together
@@Captaincory1 Maybe but the fact that she decided to make the 2 sidekicks get together instead was great for me. It's not like the typical "hero gets the girl" thing. And she wrote so many clues for Ron and Hermione during the books.. Sure, they are not a perfect couple, but that's what makes them realistic. Harry and Hermione would be boring for me.
@@Captaincory1 jkr also approved tcc as canon where Hermione became a lady snape without Ron.
And when Hermione "asks" Ron to go to Slughorns Christmas Party with her and both their reactions are super awkward, even Harry himself thinks that he expected something like this to happen for a long time. So he actually noticed that Ron & Hermione had a thing for each other but didn't really know how to act on that. And I mean it's Harry we're talking about. He's not really good at noticing emotional stuff, but even he realized.
Thank god, Harry and Hermione are not together. It actually shows that guys and girls can be friends without any subcontext. Ron and Hermione makes more sense to me.
Me: sees the title...
Also me: No
And also me: I've always shipped Harry and Luna idk
I never understood why people did until I reread the books (for the 10th time) and I'm like *Ohhhhh*
I've never heard on luna/harry, please explain to a fellow potterhead
I'm still team Ginny, but I definitely see him with Luna before Hermione.
I can see the movie versions working, but not the book versions.
He does not fit into the 2 camps seize him. IMMOBULUS!!!
I thought this was such a wholesome channel but now I find out Ben just goes around tying anyone's shoes. What an incorrigible flirt.
Harry spent many summers at the Burrow but J.K.R never really utilized them to flesh out the relationship between Harry and Ginny. If every book had at least 1 chapter or an prologue and epilogue covering the summers a relationship between Ginny and Harry would be more accepted.
Seriously! I’m on book 5 and I still havnt had an actual scene with Ginny besides Harry being in my opinion slightly creepy as he thought about her, when she 1 is younger than him and more like a sister, and 2 Ron’s sister. Maybe in the next books she does come out more but so far I wouldn’t be able to even describe her personality if someone asked
@@Salsa4268 Book 6 she gets a lot of character development. I honestly like the way it was handled in the books. The movies are absolutely terrible to Ginny though..Remembering that they are like 12/11 in the books at first it makes sense that Harry wouldn’t really have strong feelings for her and not even recognize them until he is older and she starts to become more of a woman as well, up until that point shes just his best friends sister.
@@VirgilHawkinsIs Ah ok! I’ll make sure to get to book 6 before I say anything else about Ginny then. I was wondering when she’d come in
@@VirgilHawkinsIs I disagree I always found it very out of nowhere in book 6
@@joekaput747 That’s fair. I always just thought as a kid being introduced to magic and having Voldemort trying to kill him constantly, Harry wouldn’t really be all that into anyone until his hormones ramped up (and 15/16 seemed like an appropriate time) Ginny was always around and it’s very easy to not notice your best friends sister but then wake up one day and realize she’s actually grown up and is kind of cute…now, I’ll also admit Hermione would’ve been a better choice from the beginning but I don’t hate the dynamic of their relationship either….her and Ron were the last 2 ppl I would’ve put together though. 😂😂 Ginny was the most organic choice for Harry if Hermione was out….they had shared traumatic experiences with the chamber of secrets as order of the Phoenix debacles….he could see her often, confide in her about everything already because her entire family (almost) was already fighting Voldemort and protecting him. Not to mention, since she was already around and Harry basically latched onto the first ppl he was introduced to in the wizarding world, it would make sense that he would grow to love her and her family in some way…what better way to feel apart of the family that has done so much for you since you’ve been a wizard than to marry into the family and truly be apart of it….
Also there were quite a lot of hints that Harry felt SOMETHING for Ginny and didn’t realize what it was….everyone probably assumed it was brotherly affection or didn’t even notice it but it could also have been taken as him caring for her and that blossoming into full blown feelings when she grew up. And, in typical fashion he didn’t realize that he liked her until she stopped acting like she had a crush on him. As soon as she started to date other ppl and he saw it effecting his relationship with her then it bothered him.
The hints were subtle beyond belief but they were there.
Kids often pretend not to like the person they're most attracted to (sometimes because they don't want to be teased about it) and really young kids get the attention of the one they like in ways a more mature person would find less than flirty. Listen closely, though -- throughout the books, when Malfoy insults Hermione about being muggleborn, it's RON who leaps first to her defense. He stands up for her to others all the time. He probably isn't admitting it to himself, but he admires her. He definitely doesn't think he's good enough for her (remember what he sees coming out of the locket) and that keeps him from expressing his feelings to her more clearly.
Yeah, I fully agree on your comment. Whenever things go serious, its Ron showing the most compassion about her, just think about him nearly going insane when they heard Hermione getting tortured in Malfoy Manor. The only nitpick I have is Harry not stepping up against Malfoy when he called Hermione a mudblood doesnt say much because Harry didnt know the nasty meaning of the swearword back then.
Hm... see, I don’t ship Harry / Hermione because I never felt they liked each other that way. Hermione seems much more affected / effected by Ron’s actions because his opinions matter to her. When it comes to Harry, she doesn’t seem nearly as offended when he says something. Why? Because Harry is just a friend. Someone she has no interest in.
As for Harry... he has never described her as being attractive. He’s described Sirius, Blaise, and other male characters as attractive over Hermione! Not saying that you have to find your potential spouse to be the most stunning beauty on the planet, but Harry - even when Hermione is dolled up during the ball - basically sees her as “Oh, so she can be decent looking” instead of Ron’s clearly shocked reaction and Ron being exceptionally jealous of Krum.
Also, I’m pretty sure Hermione is based off of J.K. Rowling and Harry is based off of Rowling’s son.
^ EDIT: I was mistaken in the above that Harry was based on her son. Her son was not born until after she married her second husband Neil.
She didn't have a son when she started writing the books, she had a young daughter.
TheAsianCutie93 that kinda gives us more proof of bisexual (or gay) Harry tho
Didn’t JK Rowling say that her husband was like Harry Potter?
@@ethanaraki7316 Her first husband and the father of her daughter was abusive, who did you mean?
TheAsianCutie93 Idk about Harry based off of JKR’s son, but i read that JKR’s ex was very much like Ron, and her current husband is like Harry, and she herself as Hermione
Firstly the movies have Hermione say most of Ron's lines in the book so the movies are NOT canon (they also ruin Ginny's character but everyone knows that) Anyways back to the book, Ron is always ready to act Draco for insulting Hermione and he is always bringing up Hermione's suggestions to Harry when she's not around. Plus they compliment each other. Ron's always fighting with everyone because I guess he thinks he needs to prove himself, he was the youngest Weasley son and his friends outshone him so I think he just had the need to prove himself...
Yes❤
I feel like Harry and ginny have a bit of an incestuous energy going on, because I feel like Harry feels about the weasleys as his magic family and that would mean he ends up marrying his sister.
He definitely loves the Weasley family, but that doesn't mean he necessarily sees them as literally his family in all aspects. Remember, in Order of the Phoenix, when it's said that all the family can come to visit Arthur, Harry doesn't think that it includes him. And he also tells Ron "I'd feel the same way" about worrying about his family, then thinking of Ginny specifically (who he wants to have a family with) correcting himself to "I do feel the same way". Also, Molly appears to be aware that Harry is not her son, like when she's disciplining her children.
Besides, even if Harry thinks of Ron as like brother, doesn't mean he has to think of Ginny as like a sister. If anything, the fact that he is already a family member in many respects should increase Harry's comfort level when it comes to Ginny, not reduce it.
Hes incessed
Harry and Hermione have more in common. the way she did things to make them all family is really cute. but also could've been seen that way without that marriage and Harry and Hermione have always had a understanding with each other and Ron does have this understanding to. but Ron left at one point she's NEVER left his side. she was willing to walk up to Voldemort and DIE with him instead of stand around and waiting for the worst. if that doesn't say I love you I don't know what does.
I get why Harmione is a thing. But I honestly prefer Harry and Luna together hands down. Harry and Hermione seem more like siblings to me than romantic interests.
Oh they didn't have a sibling relationship at all. Try changing some of the scenes with Ginny and Ron. It becomes very awkward. www.reddit.com/r/harrypotter/comments/hhg5j5/harry_and_hermione_are_like_siblings/
FLGSC I don’t think Harry pittied her actually. I think he got a lot of emotional strength from her.
@@tsmith8082 Quote from Harry talking about Hermione during the 7th book:"She's like my sister. I love her like a sister and I reckon she feels the same way about me. It's always been like that."
Don't try to break up Luna and Neville. They're the perfect oddball couple.
I really thought Luna was gonna be one of Harry's love interests. The fact that they both see the thestrals is a good representation that they understand something about each other that no one else does. There's a couple other reasons, but that's the biggest one for me. I was so surprised they stayed just friends.
This was the first SCB theory that didn’t convince me. Hermione is ‘angry’ at Ron half the time because she likes him and he’s a bit clueless. He’s being a guy and that’s how it goes a lot of the time when you’re a girl liking a guy. You have these passive aggressive hints to him and he doesn’t get it. Also, even if it doesn’t make ‘sense’ we don’t choose who to fall in love with. The heart wants what it wants
Yeah this theory, just didn't suit my taste, and honestly
I prefer the canon ships
[[[ "Did you - did you get - ?” She spotted the badge in Harry’s hand and let out a shriek.
“I knew it!” she said excitedly, brandishing her letter. “Me too, Harry, me too!”
“No,” said Harry quickly, pushing the badge back into Ron’s hand. “It’s Ron, not me.”
“It - what?”
“Ron’s prefect, not me,” Harry said.
“Ron?” said Hermione, her jaw dropping. “But… are you sure? I mean -”
She turned red as Ron looked around at her with a defiant expression on his face.
“It’s my name on the letter,” he said.
“I...” said Hermione, looking thoroughly bewildered. “I... well
... wow! Well done, Ron! That’s really -”
“Unexpected,” said George, nodding.
“No,” said Hermione, blushing harder than ever, “no, it’s not...
Ron’s done loads of... he’s really... ” ]]]
Yeah, she likes Ron so much she wants to patrol alone with Harry, can't believe that Ron would ever be considered for prefect and can't find anything positive to say about him after being his friend for 4 years.
@@shinekuelsword2412 Its only in your head that the reason Hermione is surprised that Ron is prefect over Harry is because she wants to patrol alone with him. There is nothing in cannon that actually suggests it. It is cannon, however, that everyone is surprised that Ron is prefect over Harry. Hermoine is not special in her reaction.
@@shinekuelsword2412 Molly, Fred, George everyone was surprised. Fred said no one in their right mind would make Ron a prefect. So Molly Fred George all preferred Harry to Ron??🤔
Totally agree! Also the biggest hole in this theory is that it only shows their behavior as teenagers. We don't know what happened after the books.
I always felt Harry and Hermione had a brother/sister relationship. They did love each other, but in a platonic way.
The way these only children and Luke and Liea acted before reveal really isn't how siblings act.
@@majormana1 That isn't the point.
Exactly!! The books never hinted on a romantic relationship between Harry and Hermione, but there were subtle hints between Ron and Hermione. Harry and Hermione always had a brother/sister bond. The Harry/Hermione shippers just want to follow the silly trope of the lead getting the girl in a friendship trio. You could even see the subtle love blooming between Harry and Ginny in the books where Ginny had much more character and life. Could never see the angle where Harry/Hermione could ever be a couple other than siblings 🤮
Ugh i kinda hate that everyone seems to go with that brother/sister thing. I have to ask is it because they're only children you go to that? Genuinely curious. Because i'm an only child and that's always bugged me that people go there. Just because we have no siblings doesnt mean we ever find friends that feel that way to us or want to for that matter. Im happy not having siblings most of the time lol. Meant it was quiet growing up lol. I have best friends who are men but never will any be like a brother. Im sorry if thats not what you meant its just always bugged me. And i love the harmony ship by the way, its my favorite one lol. For me their friendship is like how my relationship is with my husband and i love it very much. Its why i always find it weird people put that in a brother/sister category with them.
@@katew8129 We aren't exactly saying that they're like siblings, though it can be seen that way. We're saying that they have a *platonic relationship*, referring to their friendship.
I am going to show this video to everyone that ever asks me why I read fanfiction lol. Tho... I could also see Harry and Luna, both outcasts in their own ways but supportive of each other. I could see Luna teaching Harry how to ignore the words and expectations of other people. EDIT: This is the only place I've ever heard this ship called "HAIR-Mione"... Usually it's called "Harmony" with the Harry/Hermione/Luna triad being called "Lunar Harmony" lol.
Ive always felt like Harry & Hermione have sibling like energy. Like best best friends but never romantic. I don’t think they balance each other as a couple, it makes sense they don’t end up together. Ginny and Ron were just written poorly in the movies.
Edit: Hermione and Victor could have become such a bamf power couple js
The way these only children and Luke and Liea acted before reveal really isn't how siblings act.
Yeah i defenity agree
I agree with OC also Ginny was the best in DA. Like she was feisty, powerful and intelligent. She never really showed insecurities. Seems more of a power couple with Harry. She also became a professional quiddich player. Also Harry really only had two friends. Dating one of them is a terrible gamble especially when Ron is so prone to icing people. Hermione never had a shot. Lastly, I think Hermione was flirty by being intense to Ron. Woman tend to try to improve the guy they're with. So that feels more of a relationship. She might even be angry that she likes him in spite of his flaws. Making her mean to him to try to stop those feelings. That's my take on it anyway.
Idk. Harry and Hermione are way closer than I am to my sibling, but maybe shared near death experiences will do that? Either way, I think Ginny was poorly written in the books and the movies. The interest is almost entirely one sided and the pair know practically nothing about each other and spend very little time together in a 7 book series.
As for the balance, well Ron and Hermione are a good match, but I have to agree with Ben in that Harry and Hermione are just a bit better. Hermione is the book smarts and strategy/planning to Harry's raw talent and quick thinking/action. Harry usually sees the bigger picture, connecting the dots on the grand scale, while Hermione fills him in on the subtleties and emotional beats he's missing. They share a similar outlook on life and relationships in that they are fiercely loyal and do not abandon each other. Harry and Hermione fight, but Hermione never really leaves Harry like Ron does, and vice versa. The two regularly trade off being the middle/peacemaker of the trio. For the outlook on life part, not only are they both muggleborns and are grounded in a way that Ron is not, they are also loyal and selfless in a way that Ron is not--no offense to Ron.
The only thing missing from their relationship, really, is Harry's feelings for Hermione, because I do think you can call some of Hermione's early affection for Harry a crush. That said, I also feel Harry's feelings for Ginny are also missing. That relationship is 90% indifference and 10% "the girl who idolized me and stalked me for 6 years is dating someone else and idk how to feel about it." There are definitely instances between Harry and Hermione where some scenes could have turned into more, but Hermione and Ron became a thing very early and Harry would never go after someone Ron liked.
In short, Ron was the best friend, good to have around if Harry needed cheering up/wanted to have fun. Hermione, though, was always the last one standing by his side, who always had his back, always believed in him, and pushed him to keep going. Honestly, they both pushed each other to be better people. Harry pushed Hermione to leave the library and the textbooks, to be bolder and braver; Hermione pushed Harry to be smarter and to open up to other people, and gave him the support he needed to keep standing for what he believed in. I can't really say Ron does the same for either of the two (though he does more for Hermione than for Harry), but it's been a while since I read the books.
@@dragonsailorzero179 Wow. You my friend are a real shipper.
Honestly, I think they were all just friends. Why they had to end up together at all just seems like a way to finish it without open ends.
I don’t know if I agree with that... I mean, in GoF when Harry goes through that time period where him and Ron aren’t speaking, he acknowledges that he thinks hanging out with Hermione is okay, but he really mostly just misses Ron. And when Ron left in the Deathly Hallows, it was awkward as well.
Had to come back to this one as I've realized the entire Harry potter in Slytherin was just to prove this theory. And I love it.
even in the regular movies just look at the end of the chamber of secrets when hermione is un-petrified she hugs hary and they have a moment then she acwardly shakes hands with ron
@@lopiklatiIt’s a lot more awkward to hug someone you have a crush on than your close friend
Ron and Hermione are like a middle school high school couple. Like ron picks on hermione because he has a huge crush on her. Also hermione and ron don't have as much physical contact because its awkward for them because they like each other. Also Krum's life is sad.
Poor Krum
Personally, I always read Hermoine's interest in and reaction to Harry's lovelife as disproving Harmoine. She can be much more compassionate and understanding of Harry's obliviousness as opposed to Ron's cause she has no horse in that race, so to speak, and so she just talk about it with him as a friend, with his best interests in mind. In a lot of ways, she's an amazing wingwoman, giving him the confidence to go after Cho, helping him understand why Cho cried after the kiss, she gets Ginny to stop fangirling in a way that was clearly making Harry uncomfortable, keeps "the chosen one" from being manipulated by people who only want him for status, etc. Hermoine is shown to be more romantically savvy than either Ron or Harry, but it's only Harry she decides to help in this way, she lets Ron blunder his way into constant availability. Finally, I think a large part of why Harry and Hermoine's relationship is so great is that it's not tainted by teenage romantic tension as written by J.K. Rowling.
Yea it could do either way
Sir novetly logic:yeah i ship them too
I agree 100%. I've always looked at Hermione and Harry's relationship as a Brother and Sister. Neither of them have siblings and I always felt that is what they considered each other to be. Now Hermione and Ron always argued like an old married couple. I knew from the Chamber of Securities that they would end up together, and this was even before the Goblet of Fire was even out. It just felt natural.
Precisely
I actually think the whole thing is rather ironic. Having the male/female leads be romantically involved is a huge trope, to the point that often it is treated as such a given and writers completely forget to develop the lead relationship, making it ends up feeling really random or forced. Ironically, because Harry and Hermione have a completely platonic relationship, it is really well developed and people just decide they should be a couple. Really though, Harry x Ron would make exactly as much sense as Harry x Hermione; that is to say they in no way appear to be romantically interested in each other. Frankly, having the straight m/f leads not be involved romantically is kind of unusual and HxHr ship just ruins that.
I will agree though that those Harry x Ginny moments in the movies are super awkward and are probably ruining your perception. Most of the development is in Harry's head which is a classic adaptation pitfall.
This 👏👏
I see what you’re saying, and of course Harry X Ron would work, but Harry X Hermione would be such a good power couple.
@@overlorde7526 I see Harry/Hermione more as siblings then anything actually romantic, never got the romance vibes in the books, the movies though? It was obvious there were huge Harry/Hermione shippers directing the movies.
As Bill and Fleur made their vows to each other at their wedding, Hermione and Harry looked at each other. When Hermione was petrified, Ron said: "it's only Hermione" when Harry was freaking out. "friendship, bravery and-" Hermione told Harry this before he left to fight Quirrell, maybe dying before abruptly cutting herself off. I gave an example in book 4 and in book 6, the big one, *DUMBLEDORE*! It is a fact that teachers can tell if students are crushing on each other. Even a muggle, let alone *THE WISEST AND POWERFUL WIZARD OF HIS TIME, SOMEONE EVEN VOLDEMORT FEARED, could tell there was something going on.
Wow this is a lot u must be a fast typer
While I do support Ginny and Harry ending up together in the end, one thing that I think made Hermoine and Harry closer is that Hermoine was a muggle born who was a very gifted witch just like Lily., who Harry constantly thinks about.
(PSA: I’m not talking directly to the brothers when I say this, I know they’ve read/heard the books many times) I really feel like the movies should not be taken into consideration when it comes to shipping because the characters are portrayed completely different than they are in the books. If you haven’t read the books than I think you should before you 100% decide who you ship because everyone has so much more personality and chemistry in the series. Personally I don’t think Ginny and Harry we’re forced together at all (remember I’m not taking the movies into consideration), Ginny is so strong and witty just like Harry, and they feel so natural together. They also are able to talk about none Voldemort or study things, whereas Hermione and Harry don’t really talk about things outside of that too often. I believe Ginny and Harry enjoy each other’s company in a way Hermione never could. (These are my opinions and of course I’m not saying you shouldn’t have your own or that mine is the only correct opinion)
He did say that he has read and re-read the books.
I think based on the books Harry and Ginny should've been together but based on the movies Harry and Hermione should've been together. Even then I don't like saying one or the other should've been together, you also never say that in real life, if JK thought one or the other should've been together then that's what should've happened, she after all is the creator of the story.
To me, I like Harry and Ginny together, but I also like Harry and Hermione together. I think that Harry and Hermione had a lot more foundation for a relationship to build off of, but I can also see how Ginny and Harry fit together.
@@ellaine1717 Yes, but he also admitted at the beginning that he may be influenced by the movies, and at the end he did admit that maybe he's reading too much into it. Remember, many book readers _do_ invision the actors when they think of the characters, so chemistry between two characters in the movies can influence judgement. And it may also be just to stir up a little bit of discussion of the actual series, considering the controversy around JKR's recent Twitter posts. So this video, unlike many others, doesn't come off as extremely zealous about Harry/Hermione.
AMFOB I wasn’t really talking about the brothers, I know they’ve read/heard the books many times
I see where you coming at with this. I was a Hermione and Harry shipper for years :)
However, nowadays I think it was the right thing to Harry and Ginny ending up together.
In my opinion, Harry and Hermione have a really strong friendship. I really love that and I think it proves that people can be friends regardless of their gender! I actually can relate to their friendship on a personal level. I have a guy friend that I'm really close with without any romantic feeling or what so ever!
For example, the part of where Harry is giving a book for a gift don't prove anything of romantic feelings. You can be close friends and give gifts like that. It just shows you know the person well and what they like (don't need to apply romance at all). I'm glad when I see a strong friendship in a book or a movie/TV-show! :)
Your shift, to me, seems to echo the fandom's growing acceptance and love of Harry/Ginny and the decline of popularity of Harry/Hermione since the books came out.
"Harry liked Hermione very much, but she just wasn’t the same as Ron. There was much less laughter and a lot more hanging around in the library when Hermione was your best friend."
This is basically saying the being alone with Hermione is boring for Harry.
The reason Ron and Hermione take so long about it is (in my opinion) because, despite the fact that they look like them, Harry and Ginny are not the “modern” version of James and Lily: Ron and Hermione are.
You seem to overlook one important point. When Harry kisses Ginny in the common room in The Half Blood Prince, Hermione is beaming! Now isn't that a pretty strange reaction from Hermione, if she has feelings for Harry.
If I had feelings for someone, I would want them to be happy. Even if it was with someone else.
@@timscarrott8919 Overall yes, but if you're directly confronted with the person you like being in a relationship with another person, I would doubt that you are beaming.
@@timscarrott8919 yeah you would also dance at their wedding. 😂😂😂
Hermione obviously had feeling for Ron at this point, he's just trying to say that he thinks Harry and Hermione should have ended up together
When I was first reading the books, my little third grade mind was like, "Harry and Hermione *have* to end up together." and then J.K. Rowling went and crushed my dreams. But I would just like to mention that Ron and Hermione would make for a very charming, bickersome elderly couple.
This is more so Hermione having a small crush on Harry, unfortunately Harry was never interested in Hermione. This was especially obvious in book 4. Harry enjoys Hermione more when its the three of them together but when Ron breaks away and it’s just Harry and Hermione he’s not as happy and he’s bored around her. A lot of these arguments were from the movies not the books.
She doesn't have a crush on him. Literally nowhere is that obvious in the books
You sound like one of those who undermine Harry and Hermione relationship. Canon shippers do that. No matter if it's friendship, relationship or brother/sister bond whatever. In the book 3 when firebolt was taken he knew that Hermione had good intentions. Harry needs different things in friendship. He needs Hermione's support to survive and Ron for jokes. Harry was never good with emotions. Plus during that time when Harry enjoyed when it was 3 of them was because he needed Ron and Hermione. He was upset about falling out with Ron. In book 5 he was horrified when Hermione was injured.
@@klaudiagrob this has to do with romantic relationships not friendships. You sound like you didn’t watch the video...
@jayda huntley This is funny because Ron literally bullied her at the start so it kind of advocates towards, "Oh, he's only mean to you 'cause he like you!"
@@whiffynvm no he didn't. He was talking to Harry and Hermione overheard him. That's not bullying.
I’m with you all the way down to secret thing number 4. I always thought it was weird Hermione ended up with Ron instead of Harry.
Who else wanted Harry with Luna?
I did... but Luna marrying her newts grandson satisfies me too! :)
Me. Either Luna or Hermione really. I never liked that he ended up with Ginny. :
Ikr!
I’m one of those people who shipped him with daphne
She would be my ideal partner for Harry if Hermione wasn't available. Of course, if you're into Lunar Harmony, you get both. :)
That was what I was hoping for! Luna was my favorite character though.
I always thought Harry and Hermione would've been a good couple but they're also a really good representation of a close platonic friendship.
The real world reason for Hermione and Ron to end up together is that She Who Must Be Obeyed wrote the Epilogue (if I remember correctly) at the same time as The Philosophers Stone.
I don't know if her degree is in English literature or in education.
Either way, she doesn't seem to have gotten a good explanation of Chekov's Gun.
"If you mount a gun over the mantle piece," said Russian author/playwright Anton Chekov, it must be fired by the end of the second act."
Books and play's should not ever have loose ends.
The corollary to that is that things should not happen just because.
Hermione and Harry in the first book is the gun on the mantle, that was not fired.
Dolohov killing the Lupins and Newt Scamandar's grandson marrying Luna are things that had no reason to have ever happened.