Historic Old West Shotguns
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- History of shotguns in the Old West
**Correction: the 1887 lever action can carry 6 rounds....not 7.***
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Actually, the firearm used in that scene from Pirates of the Caribbean is not a shotgun, or even a blunderbuss. That is what is known as a "hand mortar", a firearm used to lob cast iron black powder grenades.
Cool. Did it really have that kind of recoil?
@@ArizonaGhostriders yes.
@Arizona Ghostriders No, not even close.
@@Devin_Stromgren if you're a midget that weighs 60 pounds or so it does
@Dante P Any firearm with the power to send a 60lb midget flying would also be powerful enough to break a normal sized person's shoulder when fired.
Other reasons for shortening the barrel of a coach gun were to be more maneuverable when the bandits were on the side of the stage driver, and to make it easier to bring the shotgun into play quicker.
I have read that.
Winchester 1887 is without a doupt, my favorite shotgun of all time. Love the episode !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you!
That's kind of funny considering that John Browning considered it the worst design he ever made.
@@Devin_Stromgren what can I say, I love a good lever action. And Winchester is one the most iconic names in firearm history.
I never said that I didn't like the gun. Just pointing out the irony and some interesting historical trivia.
@@Devin_Stromgren I agree
Interesting historical “fact” allegedly Black Bart’s double barrel was never loaded. He had a grudge against the stage coach line and was getting money and revenge but didn’t want to hurt anyone.
Yep. He was a smart man. With the exception of accidentally leaving a laundry ticket at the scene which is what got him caught.
And you guys forgot how he did it all on foot
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I'm a simple man I see something on wild west guns I click.
Yay!
Absolutely amazing 10/10. Arizona Ghost Riders has done an outstanding job as always.
Why thank you!
Ah the shotgun, where everyone is a half decent shot to a certain distance. Love me a coach gun.
Yup!
LOL!!!! Amen!!!
Who doesn't?
I love my Stoeger coach gun. Great video Santee! And YOU got to say the line!
Even a blind pig finds a truffle sometimes. Or however that saying goes!
1) Your quality of videos has really been improving the last episode opener and this one were great
2) could I request a video on local politics in the old west, like mayors, town councils and the such?
Glad you are enjoying the videos...but it's the same quality for awhile now!
Sure, we can do that politics idea.
@@neb4587 yes
I love it. I own a short stubby double barreled 20 gauge coach gun with exposed hammers. Its the gun my granddaughters love to shoot at clays. Good episode this week. Thanks Santee.
You're welcome!
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This was excellent!
Thanks!
So side note John Browning also invited the 1887 he actually told them that a pump action shotgun would work better but Winchester wanted a lever action shotgun since almost all of there longarms in there sales line up, up untill that point were lever action
Appreciate the added info.
The first pump action shotgun was actually created and sold by Christopher Spencer in 1882, he is better known for designing the Spencer repeater.
@@The_13th_Hussar Correct in 1895 or 1896 Winchester got into a legal battle with Spencer for the 1893/1897 but Winchester found some older patents and won the case. On a side note Winchester let people bring in their 1893's (reason being was that the 93's were not strong enough for smokeless powder) for 1897's that's why they are pretty rare now.
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Nice!
I hadn't realised that the pump action was invented in the 19th Century. Thanks, I did learn something!
That's the plan!
Someone just recently posted an amazing video of a spencer pump action shotgun on TH-cam, the original pump action shotgun. It’s extremely interesting to watch function.
th-cam.com/video/ctP3DurlIhQ/w-d-xo.html
I love these videos. My 3x great grandfather moved out west in the 1860’s I would’ve loved to hear his stories
Thank You!
Despite finding your channel through that rdr2 video, i find myself really enjoy the rest and learning about The Old West, the misconceptions shown in movies and many other things.
Thank you so much...and welcome.
My favorite part about the Winchester model 1897 is the slam-fire.
Sssshhh don't tell the Germans.
The 1897 Winchester is one of my favorites and I need to get one
Think they are still being as repros.
Cool episode. The break open shotgun was iconic and widely respected. Also easy to clean and maintain, almost every lawman or outlaw has one. It didn't require shooting skills and was effective at the same range as a revolver. The later shotguns were even more effective. Great video as always.
Thanks. Easy mechanically, so not much gunsmithing needed.
A 20 GA New England break action was my very first firearm. Taken amany game with it.
My cousin had one of the shotguns used at the Mussel Slough 'fight'. Belonged to my great grandfather's younger sister. Along with a Smith&Wesson pistol that's now in the museum in Hanford Ca.
Very cool!
I love my double barrel Rossi Overland Coach shotgun.
Nice!
Thanks for talking about shotguns. A few weeks ago I was asking on a site called quora about what they were using before the lever action shotguns when metallic cartridges were now in wide use. I forgot about the good old double barrel.
That opening sequence is CLASSIC!
LOL!! It's fun.
Bought a New England 10ga single barrel shotgun. Finding shells are a chore, and expensive, but Man I love that gun. Beast of a gun.
I imagine! But a great find.
I knew that rifles were popular in the old west, and I've seen the shotgun in movies, but I didn't know they are were as prevalent as you stated.
Just like today, they were a feared firearm due to their damage potential.
I think Rex was wondering, 'Are you gonna pull that shotgun or whistle Dixie'?
I love history and the fact that there are folks like you that make it a blast. Thanks again.👍
You're welcome.
I want a lever action shotgun so bad!
Right????
In the remake of Monte Walsh, Shorty packed an 1887 lever shotgun as opposed to the double barrel used in the Lee Marvin original.
I think Uberti might be making the Winchester reproduction now. I do know someone is. You can search the Web and find one. Hope this helps you. Get a pocket full of money they will not be cheap.
The Bond cameos at the beginning and end were a nice touch.
Bond is the best!!
Nice video and my Dad LOVE shotguns when we ask what he want for his birthday he always say SHOTGUN. 🤠
Yay!
My favorite scene is “hello bob! *boom* goodbye bob!” From young guns
Yup!
Another blazing good episode .a real blast from the past!
Thanks.
Nothing like watching a cool old west video after coming home from working all night
Good!
I love all of your videos so much
Thank you very much!
This episode was a BLAST!
HA!
Ya just gotta love a good shotgun. Nuthin' like spreading a little love to those who need it the most.
HAHA!
I love that you still make videos thank you so much
You're welcome.
Another awesome video AGR. Keep up the good work in keeping the west alive.
Much appreciated!
SFX just gettin' better 'n better! No, ya didn't wanna face down a man with a coach gun....unless you were hiding behind an Adobe wall! I do love the 007 Bond bookends!
Yeah, he is the boss!
It always puts a smile on my face when ever you guys upload
That's good!
Thank you and your team for these.
You're welcome.
I believe it was Elmer Keith who called the Winchester Model 97 12-guage the "greatest alley cleaner of them all". You could hold the trigger and shoot off the entire magazine. I once demonstrated this on the range and totally obliterated the silhouette target and most of the frame. The range master said, "Jesus Christ !!". It also demonstrated why the shotgun is perhaps the best weapon the lawman has at his disposal !
Cool!
Awesome video! Watching this from Australia. Love learning about the old west!
Terrific!
I have a Winchester model 1897 chambered in 16 gauge. At 117 years old, it's still a sweet shooter.
Woohoo!
Hour ago watched Wild Bunch. There was the ultimate shotgun movie!!!!!!!!!
Yeah, it was.
On the coach gun; to my knowledge, cutting the barrels down made it easier to handle; the shot spread had less to do with it (although it did open up the pattern some.) As a by, coach guns are one of my favorite, especially with exposed hammers.
Easier too conceal, as well.
Easier to maneuver and aim in a tight space, like a stage coach.
to follow up on that the spread of the pellets is super affected by the choke type. a bare cylinder cut down might have a big effect but a fulll choke cut down might have little effect
Good one Santee. Always been a fan of Remington shotguns my fires was a Remington model 12 when i was 16 . I have a couple older versions. The never disappoint!!!
cool!
I have a Western Arms (Ithaca) Long Range Double. It was my grandfather's, and damn it, I use it A LOT. It was made in 1942, but still works like new!
That's an awesome one!
Thanks, nice start for my day
Hope your day starts with a ....bang.
As always, nice
Thanks.
My grandfather has many a broken tooth from finding the shot pellets in turkeys and other wild game. Funny thing is, out of the 7 people in the house, he's the one that always got the shot pellets
LOL!
You forgot the Plate Glass Window for the guy shot to go flying to-always happens in the movies in a building, on a Mountain, Desert or Space. I'm like Clint Eastwood in that movie where he was an Aged-out Gunfighter called to arms-he kept missing with his Revolvers so went in and got his Scattergun.
One day I'll cover that. Big plate glass windows are a Hollywood prop for throwing people through.
The 1887 is my favourite shotgun and gun of all time! Love a coach gun with rabbit ears and the 1897 pump too!
Awesome firearms!
I'd LOVE to see more history about Tucson, AZ. I was born and raised here so literally ANYTHING you do would be amazing. The episode about Bill Brazelton was awesome. Also, I want to be an AZ Ghostrider too! Hahaha
I'm going to update the Brazelton episode at some point. We have some great history in this state. Gotta find it!
The 1887 Winchester lever action shotgun was also invented by John M Browning and his brother Matthew S Browning. The brothers also invented the Winchester 1893 pump action shotgun which was modified to accept smokeless powder ammo and rereleased as the Winchester 1897.
Yes. The 97 fixed what was wrong with the previous model and was the success of the two.
Nice Santee. Ill see you next weekend on the old dusty trail.
OK! Thanks for stopping by
Finally! Riding shotgun explained. Thanks Santee!
Cool
AWESOME ! Love the old mule ear hammer shotguns......... I cant wait to see what you come up with next week :-)
Yeah me either!
I always heard em called rabbit ear hammers
I have a Winchester “97” that I bought about 35 years ago. It was made in 1927 and it’s about 90%. It shoots better than any new pump shotgun I’ve ever owned. The only drawback is the fight that’s going to ensue between my kids to see who gets it after I kick the bucket.
Well, that is darn cool.
Obviously its gotta be a shooting contest to see who gets the gun
Super awesome content. Both educational and interesting with the perfect dosage of comedy. You're the only one doing this type of stuff and I love it. Keep it up!
Will do! Thank you very much.
Love the videos and the stuff I’m learning when I’m watching keep up the great work
Thanks, will do!
Winchester's first pump shotgun was actually the 1893. The 1897 is an improvement on the design, and was much more popular. There were a few other options on the market for repeating shotguns too.
I never said the 1897 was the first. But since the 93 production was so much less and they improved it....I mentioned only the 97.
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This was amazing loved it...love your channel
Thanks folks!
great topic this morning Cheese, thanks so much !!! Had my Stoeger coach at the range two weeks ago... I was shooting only slugs, so my shoulder still hurts :-) I need to go back and re-watch your vid on whisky's :-)
HA!
Saturday morning tradition: Cup of jo & the new Ghostriders video
yeehaw!
Hell yes...in my pajamas. Doesnt get better than that
Still waiting on the military power video in the old west take your time!
Another Great Episode, thank you Santee, encouragement from France
Merci!
The stage gun is my personal favorite version of the shotgun. In fact it's part of the reason why I'm writing a western book with a protagonist who is a stage guard.
Awesome!
Thanks for the info Santee you're awesome/ time to go hunting 😀
You're welcome
Clint-"Who owns this sh*thole?!?"...... "I own this establishment.....bought it from Mr. Greeley for a $1000" ....Clint-"You boys better clear away from there!"
Actually the Winchester Model of 1893 pump action preceded the 1897 but it had a design flaw and most were sent back to Winchester and rebuilt as 1897s. Also, you can hold the trigger on a '97 and it will automatically fire as fast as you can pump it. I used to have one.
Yeah, that's why I didn't mention the '93. Only 34K of them compared to the million plus of the '97.
@@ArizonaGhostriders You did right! Awesome video! I love that Trex and Ghost outlaw! 😃
@@justdustino1371 Thanks. Appreciate ya watching!
The feature where you can hold down the trigger and it will fire as you pump is actually prevalent on a lot of older pump shotguns. Even the Ithaca 37's could do it. If memory serves, they're referred to as "slam-fire shotguns."
You also didn't mention other oddities like the Burgess folding shotgun, worked by sliding trigger guard, from 1880's or the Colt revolving percussion shotgun, both obscure also, unknown except to gun nerds.
fun fact about the model 97 Winchester is that it was used extensively in world war 1 and up to the Vietnam for it's close range firepower that was very well suited for fighting in trenches and tunnel systems that were no wider than a couple grown men standing side by side.
they still used paper shells as brass shells never made it to the frontlines fast enough to make a difference and one of the things that soldiers did was they would run all of their ammo through the gun just by racking the action to test for swollen rounds that would jam the gun in pcombat and any shells that jammed in the gun were discarded completely so the soldier had rounds tyat had the lowest possible chance to jam so when they charged the enemy trenches and gotten into them they wouldn't have to contend with a jammed gun in a situation where your life depended almost entirely on your ability to fire as many rounds as possible and as fast as you can
and a distinct advantage of the Winchester 1897 was the ability to slamfire as it didn't have a traditional trigger disconnect on it so you could hold the trigger down and fire the gun wut just the pump as a crude automatic weapon adding to it's effectiveness in the clkse quarters of a trench
it was also said that soldiers who were skilled trapshooters were issued it during world war 1 and could shoot enemy grenades out of the air but there is no records of it happening and it would have been impossible to do at night
the biggest difference between the civilian model 1897 and the military one used in both world wars are as follows: the trench grade version has a 20 inch barrel a bayonet lug for use with the model 1917 Enfield bayonet and had a perforated steel heat shield around the barrel so the use can grab it and use it with the bayonet in melee combat without burning their hands
all in all the m97 saw extensive use throughout both world wars and even Vietnam for its close range firepower and small size making it ideal for use in trenches or tunnels before being phased out for more modern shotguns
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I love this channel because it’s such an interesting era and cow boy !!
Much appreciated.
Love the video. Quick question what would be your favourite Western Movie of all time?
Boy...I don't think I have just one. Yeah...I have too many. Sorry!
True grit 1969
Tombstone
Any chance you could do a video on coats? I've always found late 1800s coats cool
Did one on coats and jackets: th-cam.com/video/vdz6qB-lA34/w-d-xo.html
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Is that the Italian Pepe cd?
Great production Santee have a great weekend
You too!
Very interesting video and loved the Bond references. Great work Santee
Umm...... rdr2..... pump shot gun my favorite
"Best dollar 80 I ever spent."
Billy The Kid.
Hehehehe!
Oldest Shotgun I have is a Winchester model 1912 16 gauge pump. It holds six rounds.
Great episode Santee, I loved it!!!
Thank you!
Santee can you do a video on old west snipers
I think so. Don't know many except maybe Tom Horn, but I'll look into it.
I actually have an old shotgun that according to the law is no longer classified as one because of its age. Lol
HA!
Love my 1886 Greener 8 ga. Double Barrel shotgun. It is still in use.
nice
Loved it. Thanks Santee.
You got it, Bob!
Santee can you please do one on how they made the brass casings they used an old Western ammunition
I'll give it a shot! heheh.
@@ArizonaGhostriders thank you
Oh SHOOT! That was the best history lesson I have ever had on a shotgun.
Got both barrels?
Keep up the great videos Santee!
Thanks!
Loved the double barrel James Bond beginning !
Thank You!
YAY 😊
Hey Santee can you make a dressing the part : the stagecoach driver
Interesting. Yes, I can at one point. Maybe mix it with a poncho, slicker, and duster episode.
Hey Santee, I got lucky at a garage sale today and was able to snag two mid 1800s (probably 1870s or maybe 1860s I think) Shotgun frames for five bucks. I know for you guys in the South that isn't anything special as you can buy a whole antique gun for quite cheap, but up here in Canada even getting random parts for antique guns will cost you a crazy amount so I'm quite happy with being able to now own atleast a part of a true western gun lol. One of the frames must have been quite the fancy gun back in its day since it is beautifully engraved all over and has a makers mark which I will have to try and decipher later.
That's truly exciting! Let me know if you are able to piece together more in the future.
@@ArizonaGhostriders for sure I will, at the very least I hope to get the remaining parts and atleast make it a nice Wallhanger because even just buying a wall hanger antique gun in canada will set you back a few hundred bucks otherwise lol.
There is just something about the sound of a pump action that lets potential aggressors know that the stakes are pretty high in terms of attempting any violent acts. One thing most movies get right, that signature sound. After that it usually goes to Hades.
yup!
2:16 Gave 'em the old tickle in the chest.
Hehe
I will never not laugh at the "NNNNOOOO" clip from Tombstone. Even though it is a kinda serious scene to be honest...
:-)
I like the Winchester 1897 what a firearm. That dinosaur gets me every time love that guy.
Me too. Thanks!
I LOVE stoking up my 1887.
Just don't shoot rabbits with it in Red Dead 2, the definition of overkill.
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I think your keyboard is broken. Thanks for watching.
@@ArizonaGhostriders: Santee, first of all, thanks for your reply. Also, good one man! And by the way, can you do one on doctors/medical healthcare in the Wild West? Have a nice day, Night Warrior.
@@nightwarrior2949 Did one: th-cam.com/video/lD79JvooGkw/w-d-xo.html
Great video. Thank you sir.
You're welcome.
Another fantastic video!
Thank you, Eric!