So at 10:30 that's when I rolled off the front and got a small gap with 1 other dude and at 10:39 you can see my bud in the red out of the saddle to join us.
As an aspiring cyclist. You guys motivate me so much with these videos!! The races with out teams tactics are the best for us average Joes! Keep up the inspiration, thanks.
If only I had this advice last week! I appreciate this video a ton- did my first race ever last week and held on for a little over half of a 30min crit before getting spit out the back. Wasted a ton of energy and wasn't efficient at all. 40% of my time was spent at v02 or higher. I'll try to implement these things at the next crit!
Idk if you guys speak about this or if this has ever been spoken about, But i found out for me that down shifting into/out of the corners helps save energy
people leave a lot of space between eachother :O Here in Europe we're at shoulders touch. This looks so relaxed :D I also want to question why you are so far back, if people would start a breakaway at the front you won't be able to react if it's like the stronger guys trying it and that might be the race winning group. I always try to stay in the first 10-20 people. I personally don't see the benefit from being further back than 10-20 ish as drag will not be exponentially beneficial further back and at the front the momentum of braking accelerating is less (this course hasn't sharp corners so less valid here)
Jonathan, curious on a few of those instances where you grabbed free speed by rolling past others decelerating into the turn.. do you think by doing that kind of caused further break pulling by other riders behind once you slotted in right in front of them? I struggled with the inside line on this course for that exact reason, lots of braking. Ultimately I choose the outside line which ended in my demise when I was crashed out on the bell lap of turn 1 :(. As always thank you for the race analysis videos! Can’t wait to see the race analysis for Blue Dome.
On this course you can carry a ton of speed, so as long as there is a clear and safe line, there’s no need to brake. In these scenarios when I would carry momentum, I’d just match the same speed as the riders next to me, and then I’d safely slot into place with no brakes.
hi guys new to bike racing here. when im drafting behind someone is it a good idea to lean a little to one side so when the guy in front of me starts to slow down, i just slot in to one side and never have to brake and lose momentum?
One of my biggest problems with crits is being able to take corners (even like that last one) at speed. 35 mph...geez. I'm a heavier rider (85kg/185lbs), so I feel like the centrifugal force is just going to kill me. And more than once I've lost wheels and gotten dropped because I get pulled to the outside too much, and maybe have to hit the brakes or get introduced to the outside curb. Inside lines are kinda a big "no, no" for me.
That’s an interesting point. Would be cool to look at the physics of riders of different weights and see what the difference in maximum corner speed would be in a given turn.
@@JonathanLee7 Sounds like a Chad deep dive.. I'd really be curious on this one as I guess I fall into the heavier category at 180 (sounds odd saying that).
@@JonathanLee7 I wonder about braking as Joshua mentioned too. Does cycling encounter similar problems that motorcycles encounter when braking in a corner (bike tries to "stand up" making it harder to lean in to the corner)?
Hey Jonathan what's you max HR? You only hit 141bmp in that sprint?! That seems so low. Did everyone else get mad that you beat them while breathing through your nose? Also, shame on everyone in front of you for leaving the door open on the inside leading up to that last turn. Nice video as usual!
The Bear rider was wearing their 2020/21 kit was Cameron A. Kenny is a strong all-a-rounder but definitely not the strongest rider cat 2 in the country or even in this race
Hey, I was one of the riders in this race. The amount of purposeful "energy saving" gaps Jonathan let open was disrespectful and poor racing, it seemed almost every lap he would let multiple bike lengths open up when he was already most of the back in the pack. He even went to the lengths of pulling to the side after they opened to force others to chase or be dropped and was doing this even when their were breaks up the road. It was a cat 5 tactic that could have gotten him elbowed into the gutter in any higher of a category. Some research into the cat 2/3 NCNCA crits that happened earlier this season would also have let him see that all of them have been won from a break away with the Team Cali rider driving it (The rider who bridged up to the winning break and won this race). So even though this was not a break away course, this was still a field that preferred breakaways which can make a bigger difference.
"disrepectful" is when you think you have any justifiable reason to elbow people into the gutters and potentially cause a serious crash in an amateur bike race. if you don't like the wheel then follow another one
@@WHAT_1400 I'm not saying crashed out, I'm saying removed from mid pack and forced to sit in the back. I'm also not saying I'd do it, since I obviously didn't this race but it's behavior that's going to cause some people to recoil and definitely not something that should be taught to beginner riders
There is nothing wrong with allowing gaps to open in a field, and pressuring riders to do otherwise is personally incentivized gate keeping. If you don’t like a rider opening up gaps, don’t ride behind that rider.
@@JonathanLee7 So I should spend my race making sure that I am never behind you in the pack and not being able to sit in the back resting up just because you don't know how to race?
How are you recording voice-over and editing the analysis videos? I am curious to know the process as I am trying to do the same as an absolute beginner. Are you watching a full race and taking notes, then convert it to a script/bullet points? Then, based on the points, are you editing the full race to a shorter race analysis? Are you recording your voice while watching the edited video and using a screen capture? Then merge them together in a video editing software?
So at 10:30 that's when I rolled off the front and got a small gap with 1 other dude and at 10:39 you can see my bud in the red out of the saddle to join us.
As an aspiring cyclist. You guys motivate me so much with these videos!! The races with out teams tactics are the best for us average Joes! Keep up the inspiration, thanks.
Stoked to hear it! Cheers!
If only I had this advice last week! I appreciate this video a ton- did my first race ever last week and held on for a little over half of a 30min crit before getting spit out the back. Wasted a ton of energy and wasn't efficient at all. 40% of my time was spent at v02 or higher. I'll try to implement these things at the next crit!
Follow up. 3 more crits and haven’t gotten dropped again. Finished in top 50% in all of them with way less power expenditure.
Nice field sprint Jonathan! 37 mph, 1270 watts is solid.
Idk if you guys speak about this or if this has ever been spoken about, But i found out for me that down shifting into/out of the corners helps save energy
That’s a great point! Being in the wrong gear can bleed positions and energy. Nice one!
people leave a lot of space between eachother :O Here in Europe we're at shoulders touch. This looks so relaxed :D I also want to question why you are so far back, if people would start a breakaway at the front you won't be able to react if it's like the stronger guys trying it and that might be the race winning group. I always try to stay in the first 10-20 people. I personally don't see the benefit from being further back than 10-20 ish as drag will not be exponentially beneficial further back and at the front the momentum of braking accelerating is less (this course hasn't sharp corners so less valid here)
Awesome video and information as always. Cannot wait for more race analysis videos.
🙌 Excellent insight, thank you TR!
Been waiting so long for these to come back! 👍
Surprisingly breaks do go at Folsom…at 25 seconds you can be out of sight for most of course
Nice work. Thank you for sharing
Jonathan, curious on a few of those instances where you grabbed free speed by rolling past others decelerating into the turn.. do you think by doing that kind of caused further break pulling by other riders behind once you slotted in right in front of them? I struggled with the inside line on this course for that exact reason, lots of braking. Ultimately I choose the outside line which ended in my demise when I was crashed out on the bell lap of turn 1 :(. As always thank you for the race analysis videos! Can’t wait to see the race analysis for Blue Dome.
On this course you can carry a ton of speed, so as long as there is a clear and safe line, there’s no need to brake. In these scenarios when I would carry momentum, I’d just match the same speed as the riders next to me, and then I’d safely slot into place with no brakes.
hi guys new to bike racing here. when im drafting behind someone is it a good idea to lean a little to one side so when the guy in front of me starts to slow down, i just slot in to one side and never have to brake and lose momentum?
A great strategy to stay safe and keep from having to touch the brakes. 19/10 the student has learned well. ;)
Hey Jonathan, what recording device did you use?
A GoPro!
@@TrainerRoad thank you. Interested in what software is used for the overlay.
Is a break the same as a break away?
What was your average cadence during this race?
One of my biggest problems with crits is being able to take corners (even like that last one) at speed. 35 mph...geez.
I'm a heavier rider (85kg/185lbs), so I feel like the centrifugal force is just going to kill me. And more than once I've lost wheels and gotten dropped because I get pulled to the outside too much, and maybe have to hit the brakes or get introduced to the outside curb.
Inside lines are kinda a big "no, no" for me.
That’s an interesting point. Would be cool to look at the physics of riders of different weights and see what the difference in maximum corner speed would be in a given turn.
@@JonathanLee7 Sounds like a Chad deep dive.. I'd really be curious on this one as I guess I fall into the heavier category at 180 (sounds odd saying that).
@@JonathanLee7 I wonder about braking as Joshua mentioned too. Does cycling encounter similar problems that motorcycles encounter when braking in a corner (bike tries to "stand up" making it harder to lean in to the corner)?
@@JonathanLee7 I've started dropping my knee through turns recently. I found it makes a big influence on staying on my line.
28mm tires, drop your knee and elbow+ shoulder to the inside of the turn
nice BPM in that sprint...
My heart rate monitor couldn’t have been right, hehe. My threshold is around 174 and max is in the mid 180s
340!?!? For someone who's been stuck at around 250 for a long time, even with trainerroad, anything over 300 sounds like pro peloton
1200W and 140BPM?? Damn!
I’m thinking the one dislike is Kenny for getting rolled by Jonathan.
No way. Kenny is a really nice guy and a fantastic racer.
You rolled poor Kenny on the line !
I’m sure Kenny will roll me next time! He’s strong and super savvy
Hey Jonathan what's you max HR? You only hit 141bmp in that sprint?! That seems so low. Did everyone else get mad that you beat them while breathing through your nose? Also, shame on everyone in front of you for leaving the door open on the inside leading up to that last turn. Nice video as usual!
Jon so very fit guy much HR. ;)
My HRM definitely wasn’t reading right. My max is in the mid 180s and threshold is ~174
Kenny is the fastest Cat 2 in the country. Who was the Bear development guy in the 2015 kit?
The Bear rider was wearing their 2020/21 kit was Cameron A. Kenny is a strong all-a-rounder but definitely not the strongest rider cat 2 in the country or even in this race
Hey, I was one of the riders in this race. The amount of purposeful "energy saving" gaps Jonathan let open was disrespectful and poor racing, it seemed almost every lap he would let multiple bike lengths open up when he was already most of the back in the pack. He even went to the lengths of pulling to the side after they opened to force others to chase or be dropped and was doing this even when their were breaks up the road. It was a cat 5 tactic that could have gotten him elbowed into the gutter in any higher of a category.
Some research into the cat 2/3 NCNCA crits that happened earlier this season would also have let him see that all of them have been won from a break away with the Team Cali rider driving it (The rider who bridged up to the winning break and won this race). So even though this was not a break away course, this was still a field that preferred breakaways which can make a bigger difference.
"disrepectful" is when you think you have any justifiable reason to elbow people into the gutters and potentially cause a serious crash in an amateur bike race. if you don't like the wheel then follow another one
@@WHAT_1400 I'm not saying crashed out, I'm saying removed from mid pack and forced to sit in the back. I'm also not saying I'd do it, since I obviously didn't this race but it's behavior that's going to cause some people to recoil and definitely not something that should be taught to beginner riders
There is nothing wrong with allowing gaps to open in a field, and pressuring riders to do otherwise is personally incentivized gate keeping. If you don’t like a rider opening up gaps, don’t ride behind that rider.
@@JonathanLee7 So I should spend my race making sure that I am never behind you in the pack and not being able to sit in the back resting up just because you don't know how to race?
@@TheIcelizard82 I’m not sure why you feel it necessary to attack the person and not the idea. And yep, if I suck, go around me. :)
How are you recording voice-over and editing the analysis videos? I am curious to know the process as I am trying to do the same as an absolute beginner. Are you watching a full race and taking notes, then convert it to a script/bullet points? Then, based on the points, are you editing the full race to a shorter race analysis? Are you recording your voice while watching the edited video and using a screen capture? Then merge them together in a video editing software?
Thats the work of our amazing editing team!!! ;)