It’s really simple but there’s a Pro Q preset called “Phone” and I’ll use it on a duplicate guitar track and then roll off the volume. It brings out a little more transient in the guitars if adjusted right to the tone you’re already using.
My favorite sound was stage 2, the yellow track with just EQ+Widening. I felt the added reverb took away from what this particular song was going for. Still sounds amazing either way. Great tips!
For lead tones i love to mix between two reverbs , one dedicated to process Early reflections , the othr one is a plate reverb for the decays, results are huge lead tones with great depth that takes it to another dimensions where it ironically cuts through like crazy
I like having the guitar signal splitting to two amps and IRs, one with two front mics. The other with a room and back of cab mic. Blend to taste. Run all the guitars into in channel, add reverb there so they sound in the same room. The back and room mic amp signal i turn gain down and level volume to just give some clean fat end. To guys double tracking, make sure you record each part separately or all you will do is increase the volume of the guitars.
That EQ tip is great and I notice a lot of benefit from it, except that it makes the guitar transient (the pick attack) more present on one side of the stereo field than the other. I've got mine set a little lower than yours, at 3.2K and 1.5K. Is the transient something you're considering when choosing the frequencies with this trick? Do you think of a "high transient" and a "low transient" in the pick attack, so that the pick attack from both left and right guitars still retain a strong presence in the stereo field? I can hear it in your example going on a bit, the right sounds brighter and more present than the left after that trick. In the mix, especially during hi-hat passages, or passages where the beat is kept by a cymbal on the left of the field, this is fine. But there are passages where it can make the right speaker as a whole sound brighter than the left. Is this something that you balance out later in the mix?
I would say that when adding reverb to the guitar, after duplicating the tracks make sure to set it to 100 % wet. Meaning ZERO dry signal. That way you don't double the already doubled guitar buss and can then mix in a good level of controlled reverb
Holy shit I love reaper. It was a bit of a learning curve. Especially for me,being I have never used a computer based DAW, only ipad. Lol. At first I almost threw in the towel. If it weren't for the incredible reaper using community,all the how to and tips and tricks vids,I probably would've gave up. Been using it for a year now,and have barely scratched the surface it seems lol. But that being said... I've came along way thanks to the online community. I know no one cares, but I just wanted to give thanks where thanks is due.
Couple of quick questions for you: I think I heard in one of your other videos that you typically quad track the guitars for a big chorus right? If that's the case then would you recommend putting all 4 tracks into one bus, or putting two rights into one bus and two lefts in the other when mixing like this?... Thanks for the content man. This is helping me a lot as I am just getting started with some of this stuff :).
I am completely new to this but my take on it was that it's taking the original tone and using the new tracks to beef it up where as if you created a send for it you'd add those tricks to the original tracks/sound and it wouldn't sound particularly good as a stand alone. I just tried the reverb/EQ tip and noticed a big difference but I am wondering I'f I'd need to drop the volume on all the guitar tracks I've used it on so they aren't now collectively adding more Db.
As he stated, it was just a quick way to get the effect on the track, sends can also be used and are actually preferable if you have a lot of guitar tracks to process.
i don't know why in the recap i can't hear the difference... i'm sure that what you did is doing something, but it sounds the same to me, gotta train the ear i think...
@Joey Sturgis Tones: What is the Plug-In Pin Connector tool you used? Is that available in Logic Pro? I purchased the Sky Box tonight and am curious to try your trick out.
Amon Amarth - Asator Listen at the very beginning of the first riff, I forget which but either the right or left guitar plays first, and you can hear the reverb from that guitar on the opposite side.
The thumbnail for this video is hilarious. You looking like that made me think it meant A.D.D. Life, like, you know, ''Thug Life'', like ''Yeah, I'm ADD and I'm PROUD. F with me and I'll, ummm, forget about it in a moment or two. In fact, where was I?'' lol
The real reason why would you need to apply on a bus level, is to avoid any phasing issue caused by the eq, applying it in a bus, will shift the left and right guitars in the same way.
Use real tube amps. Or preamp with IR. Different speaker IR's on each side. If you have access to the drum room, try re-amp the track with a mono ambiance microphone. Treat it the same way: hi and low pass EQ to taste.
That can do the trick, though it would be good to remind, the problem of lifeless guitars isn't in the technology that produces the sound, whether it's solid state, tube or digital. It's the specific character of the chosen amp and how you dial it in that takes away all the life out of it. And if your guitars are dead sounding, the problem might not be in the amp sound at all, but rather in the performance and processing applied to it. A dead performance is going to sound dead even if you dress it up all nice.
i didnt like the way reverb sounded on bass. imo it would be better if u just boosted the volume of it a bit but like it didnt sound terrible i just personally wouldnt do it, but it’s definitely something felt not heard
This stereo "widening" with the Sidewidener did very little to nothing as far as I'm concerned. You can hear the sound not changing place much, and see it in the goniometer as well. On some frequencies the wideness may have increased very subtly, but on others it decreased about as much. I suspect this has to do with how the tone knob was set. Instead I'd suggest using MS equalizing by which you can change the wideness of certain frequencies without any of this artificial pseudo stereo-ing this plugin is designed for (it's not aimed to be used with stereo sources in the first place). Just boost or attenuate a frequency in the side or the mid channel and do the opposite in the other channel. I think it's a great idea that we can listen to the different phases of processing side by side at the end a couple of times to hear how the sound has changed!
Wait a minute, you made this plugin? How did I miss that. Interesting. This doesn't change my view on how you used it in this demonstration, but raises the question why you used it this way?
How to add inconsistencies? Mic up a real amp. Don't quantize your playing to the grid. Listen to the bass and don't play the same notes. Create parts that move you - and no, drop Z chugging for half an hour is not moving. Or you can just slap some EQ and reverbs and call it a day. You're trying to get paid after all, right?
It’s really simple but there’s a Pro Q preset called “Phone” and I’ll use it on a duplicate guitar track and then roll off the volume. It brings out a little more transient in the guitars if adjusted right to the tone you’re already using.
hot dawwg does this work
You parallel it with that effect? Sounds like a cool trick
Bruh, this is brilliant. Thank you! 3 years later.
This channel...... the hero we dont deserve , you guys are amazing❤
Don't know this channel, this vid just appeared on my recommended. Great vid, will definitely watch more!
Best part of the whole video is the headbanging at 6:46!
The way you mix the guitars reverb here resolved a year's old problem of mine. Thank you
Joey. Your tutorials are sooooo practical. Loving what you do with the channel. Love your plugins too
My favorite sound was stage 2, the yellow track with just EQ+Widening. I felt the added reverb took away from what this particular song was going for. Still sounds amazing either way. Great tips!
Every video is actual gold!
The vids here particularly the past year or so have been so helpful, thanks dudes
That bass sound epic with the verb!
For lead tones i love to mix between two reverbs , one dedicated to process Early reflections , the othr one is a plate reverb for the decays, results are huge lead tones with great depth that takes it to another dimensions where it ironically cuts through like crazy
Very interesting approach, i'll test that later.
This is gold.
I like having the guitar signal splitting to two amps and IRs, one with two front mics. The other with a room and back of cab mic. Blend to taste. Run all the guitars into in channel, add reverb there so they sound in the same room. The back and room mic amp signal i turn gain down and level volume to just give some clean fat end.
To guys double tracking, make sure you record each part separately or all you will do is increase the volume of the guitars.
Man so many crazy tips in here.
That EQ tip is great and I notice a lot of benefit from it, except that it makes the guitar transient (the pick attack) more present on one side of the stereo field than the other. I've got mine set a little lower than yours, at 3.2K and 1.5K. Is the transient something you're considering when choosing the frequencies with this trick? Do you think of a "high transient" and a "low transient" in the pick attack, so that the pick attack from both left and right guitars still retain a strong presence in the stereo field?
I can hear it in your example going on a bit, the right sounds brighter and more present than the left after that trick. In the mix, especially during hi-hat passages, or passages where the beat is kept by a cymbal on the left of the field, this is fine. But there are passages where it can make the right speaker as a whole sound brighter than the left. Is this something that you balance out later in the mix?
1-st trick is mostly for the cases with 2 identical guitar tones
ohh these were some cool ones, i was actually using eq one, different type of eq of both sides, and a widener at the mastering stage!! Thanks Joey!!
Wow insanely good info, thanks for the vids!
brilliant work, thank you, Joey!!!
Great Trick!😮
Thank you for this! Amazing content!
Wow. That is awesome.
LOVE THESE! Please keep them coming!
i heard that reverb trick in rick rubins work before. pretty cool ngl
This is great information!
Love it. Thank you.
I would say that when adding reverb to the guitar, after duplicating the tracks make sure to set it to 100 % wet. Meaning ZERO dry signal. That way you don't double the already doubled guitar buss and can then mix in a good level of controlled reverb
Isn't that exactly what he did, though?
Great stuff, thanks Joey.
Thanks Joey
I always learn so much from these videos. Thanks!
Wicked info
Thanks ❤
Holy shit I love reaper. It was a bit of a learning curve. Especially for me,being I have never used a computer based DAW, only ipad. Lol.
At first I almost threw in the towel. If it weren't for the incredible reaper using community,all the how to and tips and tricks vids,I probably would've gave up. Been using it for a year now,and have barely scratched the surface it seems lol. But that being said... I've came along way thanks to the online community. I know no one cares, but I just wanted to give thanks where thanks is due.
Great tips!
You guys are fucking legends
3:06 - wisdom dropped right here
This is great, thanks
Couple of quick questions for you: I think I heard in one of your other videos that you typically quad track the guitars for a big chorus right? If that's the case then would you recommend putting all 4 tracks into one bus, or putting two rights into one bus and two lefts in the other when mixing like this?... Thanks for the content man. This is helping me a lot as I am just getting started with some of this stuff :).
Nice!!!
1:39 what song is this?
Thanks Joey! Just a question, how come you duplicate tracks instead of creating sends for them?
I am completely new to this but my take on it was that it's taking the original tone and using the new tracks to beef it up where as if you created a send for it you'd add those tricks to the original tracks/sound and it wouldn't sound particularly good as a stand alone. I just tried the reverb/EQ tip and noticed a big difference but I am wondering I'f I'd need to drop the volume on all the guitar tracks I've used it on so they aren't now collectively adding more Db.
As he stated, it was just a quick way to get the effect on the track, sends can also be used and are actually preferable if you have a lot of guitar tracks to process.
Great!
I've been using reverb on rhythm guitars for a while and it really does add a lot of cool vibe. Will give the other methods a go too.
i don't know why in the recap i can't hear the difference... i'm sure that what you did is doing something, but it sounds the same to me, gotta train the ear i think...
I must be totally deaf in some frequencies. The first part of EQ didn't change anything to me. I use yamaha HS5 and the volume wasn't really low.
@Joey Sturgis Tones: What is the Plug-In Pin Connector tool you used? Is that available in Logic Pro? I purchased the Sky Box tonight and am curious to try your trick out.
awesome
Please keep making these!!! HOW do I reverse the pan on the reverb in Cubase on a Mac??????? :)
Studio one has “mix tool” where you can invert. Maybe cubase has that?
Check insert or channel routing
@@joeymusic I’m a baby at this-what?
@@focusflute look for those options in your daw...
Do you have a band album/track reference on which the reverb trick would have been used ?
Amon Amarth - Asator
Listen at the very beginning of the first riff, I forget which but either the right or left guitar plays first, and you can hear the reverb from that guitar on the opposite side.
Thanks a lot for the tutorial. Would it be better to use the same reverb send for all the guitars/bass? Or individual ones?
You were talking about EQing but I was straight up vibing to that riff what band/song is that?? @1:39
Sounds like monuments but I could be wrong
Great advice. What is the name of the song in the outro please?
Hey Joey, what themes you and Miami use for Reaper?
Smooth 6!
-Miami
I hear the difference while u're proccessing, but at the comparing I dont hear it! why?)
BRO WHAT IS THAT SONG! It kicks ass
The thumbnail for this video is hilarious. You looking like that made me think it meant A.D.D. Life, like, you know, ''Thug Life'', like ''Yeah, I'm ADD and I'm PROUD. F with me and I'll, ummm, forget about it in a moment or two. In fact, where was I?'' lol
Honestly I’d just micro touch a few of the amp controls and then change the IR to a completely different cab …
Also a good idea!
Amazing stuff! Just an unrelated question, which reaper theme is that, looks dope!
Smooth 6!
Anyone know what the reaper skin JST is using?
Smooth 6
is this monuments??
What song is this?
Monuments - Deadnest
@@pastilance1 It is not. At least not the version they released. The intro is very similar, but is not the same song.
The real reason why would you need to apply on a bus level, is to avoid any phasing issue caused by the eq, applying it in a bus, will shift the left and right guitars in the same way.
Use real tube amps. Or preamp with IR. Different speaker IR's on each side. If you have access to the drum room, try re-amp the track with a mono ambiance microphone. Treat it the same way: hi and low pass EQ to taste.
That can do the trick, though it would be good to remind, the problem of lifeless guitars isn't in the technology that produces the sound, whether it's solid state, tube or digital. It's the specific character of the chosen amp and how you dial it in that takes away all the life out of it.
And if your guitars are dead sounding, the problem might not be in the amp sound at all, but rather in the performance and processing applied to it. A dead performance is going to sound dead even if you dress it up all nice.
Whos music is the track?- I like it
Sounds very similar to something olly Steele would do
Well... Shit. That's so simple and effective!
I listened to this on a phone, could barely hear a difference haha
Skybox 😂
These "anti-lawsuit" pedal designs never fail to entertain me.
i didnt like the way reverb sounded on bass. imo it would be better if u just boosted the volume of it a bit but like it didnt sound terrible i just personally wouldnt do it, but it’s definitely something felt not heard
reverb on bass???? ok. ill try it.
This stereo "widening" with the Sidewidener did very little to nothing as far as I'm concerned. You can hear the sound not changing place much, and see it in the goniometer as well. On some frequencies the wideness may have increased very subtly, but on others it decreased about as much. I suspect this has to do with how the tone knob was set. Instead I'd suggest using MS equalizing by which you can change the wideness of certain frequencies without any of this artificial pseudo stereo-ing this plugin is designed for (it's not aimed to be used with stereo sources in the first place). Just boost or attenuate a frequency in the side or the mid channel and do the opposite in the other channel.
I think it's a great idea that we can listen to the different phases of processing side by side at the end a couple of times to hear how the sound has changed!
Wait a minute, you made this plugin? How did I miss that. Interesting. This doesn't change my view on how you used it in this demonstration, but raises the question why you used it this way?
Well, you need to bring it to the top of a dark tower and hook it up to a lightning rod, for starters....
Haha good one
Nothing change
Invest in studio monitors my dude!
I dbl track
I only clicked on the video cause I thought it said A.D.D. life.
SO little differnece! am I the only one not hearing that much going on?
You need to listen through studio monitors
To my ears close to none.
Get studio monitors
Great ideas but kick and snare compression is pumping way too much to let us enjoy the tricks unfortunately
Or an even easier way than duplicate tracks is create a reverb send at 100 percent wet
Heard no change at all...
There's definitely good stuff in there man! Keep listening, maybe on some different speakers.
If I just missed the joke then you win.
How to add inconsistencies?
Mic up a real amp.
Don't quantize your playing to the grid.
Listen to the bass and don't play the same notes.
Create parts that move you - and no, drop Z chugging for half an hour is not moving.
Or you can just slap some EQ and reverbs and call it a day. You're trying to get paid after all, right?
@@halfunder9712 did I say this was chugging?
@@BananaManPL sorry thought you were referring the guitar playing in the video . I'm sorry my bad I'll delete the old comment it has no use
@@halfunder9712 no worries! :)
Your not Joey Sturgis..
Wait? Really?
-Miami
Are you?
djent/prog guitars sounds boring/lifeless, no matter what processing you use.
Thats why u gotta have sic leads or samples to carry the melody.😅⚡️
The bass carries in djent/prog tbh.
L take
Hard agree. I love the music, but the tone always make me cringe a little.
Hot take from a basement dweller with zero listeners. 🥰
The reverb part… kinda dangerous. And I dunno why you would duplicate the bass track when you could just send it to a second channel. Over processing.
I mean, all processing is "dangerous" if done wrong, from EQ to compression to even distortion. Mix with your ears, if it sounds good, it's good.