Guitars have always been my biggest mix issue, ironic given I'm a guitarist before anything else instrument-wise. The diagnosis method is a great idea, thank you for posting JST :)
My guess is because as guitarists, we are gonna be way more picky with what sounds good. Take drums for example, I just draw them into a piano roll without too much a care but I imagine someone who is a drummer first would be a lot more careful
@@hunter00143 funny enough, not putting as much care into the drum programming as the guitar sound is a surefire way to deflate your guitars in a mix. It's a real bitch to do right, but it's worth it!
The section talking about gain and presence in the guitar tone…..that literally just made my guitars sit way better and on this mix. It’s the small things I over look and get too ahead of myself instead of taking it slow and wow this saved me
I've been producing, mixing, and mastering my own music such as covers and originals for a few year now and I love how simplistic and to the point your tutorial was. You touched on some things that most TH-cam creators don't necessarily pin point, and for that, I'm very appreciative of your video. Thank you!
This solved my issue with amp sims. The tip about gain and presence being tied really set the stage for my tone to come out less annoying. I also didnt realize how much I was cutting out of my high and low end on guitar (way too much). gotta give thanks to your page and frightbox, you two are the only pages that helped me take steps forward in mixing. thank you a lot
This is a brilliant video. You guys continue to lay out extremely easy to follow, impressive tutorials that cut right to the point. I've watched many, many videos from tons of different channels and you guys kill it in a short time, every time. Thank you! 😎🎸🤘
I use a multiband compressor for my rythm metal guitars where I cut somewhere between 100 - 200 hz, especially on palm muted parts. Much like you did with the side chained snare. It´s a trick I learned from Andy Sneap and it has helped ALOT.
This video was a god send. I swear trying to figure out how to get a good metal tone through amp sims and then mixing them properly feels like its one of the most difficult things to find relevant or quality information on. Thank you so much for this. It's overwhelming trying to figure this stuff out sometimes.
When i was younger, i wanted the raw black metal tone, but when i started mixing them, i realized I needed mids to actually sound good. Changed my whole perspective on tone lmao. Now a days i turn the bass frequency down and let the bass guitar do the heavy lifting in the bottom end
This is a very concise presentation of how to approach an otherwise very complicated task. You've done a great job of explaining and demonstrating this. I know that this will be a big help moving forward . Thank you!
This was great! Just started to record music like this and it was instantly clear that mixing the guitar was going to be a bit different. This was exactly what I needed.
This is an incredible videro. Not a lot of stuff like this being made any more on YT, by anyone really. It may feel like covering the same ground and be repetitive to the creator, to cover the same topic multiple times - however, every source is different and wisdom comes from seeing workflow theory in action over and over again. I wouldnt complain if yall made more videos like this and I think they would do really well right now since no one else is doing it anymore
I’m definitely guilty of using too much gain, something I’ve changed these last few months. Less gain makes the guitars sit better pretty much every time.
It's so hard not to dial a decent tone with the technology that we have nowadays thanks to amazing music guys like JST, STL Tones Neural, IK Multimedia, Positive Grid, etc.
I hope these tips would work really well with orchestral metal I'm mixing. It's hella hard to get the guitars to be heard when the full orchestra is playing.
I'm just getting done with my first full year of sound engineering and this was BY FAR one of the best vids for fitting into mix. Thank you for the tandem mention of pres and gain. It changed my entire perspective going forward!
Not blaming but in the final mix i heard some harsh peak frecuencies around 6k - 10k, maybe is a higher frequence but I heard this "Hshhhhhhh" constant sound in the guitars
I will admit it I have never once tried side chaining guitar to duck with the snare. Bass with kick yes, but I’ve never done it with guitar whatsoever. Need to experiment with that
This was a really cool trick, particularly ducking the 2k range to let the bass pop through. Always wondered why I could never get good bass definition to come through
Great video. Usually recording the full tone from my Kemper, but I might have to look into splitting out before the cab, to have the option to use an IR. Or maybe I just need to get that Jason Suecof I have been eyeing...
I have a Kemper as well. I’ve always been reluctant to go too deep into actual cab swapping. Idk. I’ll briefly try a few but I never use ir’s. Always end up finding a cab I like within the Kemper itself. I do have plenty of ir’s on hand with ir loaders just never mess with it when using the Kemper. Maybe I should. I definitely have never split out and recoded just the amp without the cab. Always do Kemper tone and a direct though. It seems as the years go on I discover more and more options. The whole reason for buying my Kemper was to eliminate that shit. Lol
I'm starting to record guitar cover on my daw and basically I'm separating the original track in stems and i'm replacing the original guitar with mine. Thanks, i think this will help me make my guitar stand out against the original instruments.
Not as I understood it. Joe points out that too much 500 Hz in the drums or/and bass can mask the important 500 Hz area in guitars. So when we hear the music with the boosted area the guitars loose it’s power, when he mutes the Eq, so that the boosted 500 Hz area isn’t active (equals dipping the 500 Hz area from drums/bass, the guitars get the 500 Hz area and sound both clear and full sounding. But I agree it would be slightly more pedagogical to play the boosted 500 Hz in drums and bass version, and then used the EQ to dip out this area! Anyways: one of the best, if not the best tutorial I’ve seen on this topic! It’s so incredibly well scripted, edited and spot on, I’ve watched it twice and re-learned the simple and effective masking test, boost guitars to see what they mask and dip to see which instruments you can hear. This technique can also be used for other instruments- that makes this tutorial so incredibly useful. Big thanks from me 🙏
@@dagovevareberg You don't need to explain it to me, I understood the video, what I meant is that where the eq curve where a drum is shown corresponds to the frequency of a bass guitar and vice versa🤨
@@rinok9662 Aha, now I understand what you mean and I think you are spot on, the dip in the frequency spectrum in the mids belongs to the bass and not the drums!
Excelent! So useful! But why the sound of the example at 1:18 sounds so much compact and cleaner than the rest of the examples which is full of "fried potato" (FSSSSSS) sound? Is it some IR in particular or do you have it procesed with another plugins? I ask cause my guitars sounds like the other parts and I want them to sound like in 1:18.
Good tutorial, but i have to say impulse responses and amp sims is fitting bmw m steering wheel on a Lada. It's still Lada. But your point on having right sound is good one. I've spent days on end trying to polish a turd and i bet i'm not the only one..
Mate, Idk how to formulate a question... You do such great videos with all plugins and stuff. How do you make it look so beautiful? I mean is there any tutorial on how to screen record Reaper or other DAWs?
Hi , nice vidéo! You did not talk about limiting guitar Buss. ( Joey IS doing this on Ntm CNCC session) when I try to do it myself it's often kiling my guitar sound . I can't understand why.
why do you side chain the snare fundamental to the guitar eq when the guitars are hard panned L/R and snare is in the center? arent they already not overlapping?
Vocal is usually more important imo. Sidechaining a dynamic eq can make it so the mids-high end duck when the vocals are happening and come back when there’s no vocals. That’s what I typically do - subtly
I sometimes start Luke a gig mix ..set bas and drums ..add guitar add singer ...but I hearing you ..also I'd like to ask is recording ...instead of recording just 1 track in guitar is it better to record 2 and split them left and right. I recently tried 3 .1 full left 1 full right 1 stereo left and right ...and I tried to do the same eith my bass but 50 50 ..instead of full left and right ..then singing down stereo left and right 2 tracks ..I noticed lots of space and sepererate tracks ..I put the guitar as 3 tracks to try and find that punch through the middle with bass and drums ,..remember I split the bass only 50 50 ..I just want to do this ..I write and enjoy mixing ..and I don't think I'm useless I just need to no more ..I notice there's a lot in sound ..and not over loading so everything can fit in its place ..my mix is far from what I want to do ..frustrating yet ok because it gives me something to look forward to .....anyhow thank you for something more to think about ..lol..and that technique of recording I'm trying is that a good road to go down ??
it`s all coo but I still don`t know how loud the guitar should be in relation to others. And that trick with sidechaining. I already use Andy Sneap trick in that area, so how do I pair both
I worked really hard on my guitar tones. I used some of my favorite songs and players as models and dialed in the tone I like for both gigging and recording. For me roll off anything under 100hz, cut at 200-240hz as needed to remove boxyness, boost 1k, 2k and 5k as needed to make it sizzle! Boosting at 3db increments to start then smaller adjustments to fine tune. Also, you have to EQ it for tracking then again in the mix. My effects are all post so there's loads of flexibility to edit as needed.
Guitars have always been my biggest mix issue, ironic given I'm a guitarist before anything else instrument-wise. The diagnosis method is a great idea, thank you for posting JST :)
I'm the same way!!! i get my drums the best, i struggle with bass and guitar the most aside from vocals and im a guitarist xD
My guess is because as guitarists, we are gonna be way more picky with what sounds good.
Take drums for example, I just draw them into a piano roll without too much a care but I imagine someone who is a drummer first would be a lot more careful
Dude, same.
@@hunter00143 funny enough, not putting as much care into the drum programming as the guitar sound is a surefire way to deflate your guitars in a mix. It's a real bitch to do right, but it's worth it!
Bro same 😂
The section talking about gain and presence in the guitar tone…..that literally just made my guitars sit way better and on this mix. It’s the small things I over look and get too ahead of myself instead of taking it slow and wow this saved me
I've been producing, mixing, and mastering my own music such as covers and originals for a few year now and I love how simplistic and to the point your tutorial was. You touched on some things that most TH-cam creators don't necessarily pin point, and for that, I'm very appreciative of your video. Thank you!
This is one awesome video! 7 mins of pure awesomeness! How this guy only has 60k subs and Glenn flicker has half a million is beyond me...
I watch Glenn when I want to be entertained. I watch JST when I want to learn.
@@bimmerfreak10 This.
Well Joey has recorded legendary scene bands and hardcore bands from the early 2000’s and Glenn has not. Glenn is basically a meme at this point
I agree. At this point, i only watch Glenn for entertainment. For learning, I rely on JST and Frightbox.
Glenn is amazing. They can both be amazing and serve a different purpose for your recording and mixing goals 😌💪
This solved my issue with amp sims. The tip about gain and presence being tied really set the stage for my tone to come out less annoying. I also didnt realize how much I was cutting out of my high and low end on guitar (way too much). gotta give thanks to your page and frightbox, you two are the only pages that helped me take steps forward in mixing. thank you a lot
yeah same, I never knew that they were tied. I only ever touched one or the other. Same with the EQ. Was cutting out way too much
Man not only your video is useful, the editing skills you have are incredible. you deserve a lot!!!!!
Good luck
Thanks a lot!
You have talent not only in mixing but actually teaching these skills. Thanks for the video
This is a brilliant video. You guys continue to lay out extremely easy to follow, impressive tutorials that cut right to the point. I've watched many, many videos from tons of different channels and you guys kill it in a short time, every time. Thank you! 😎🎸🤘
I use a multiband compressor for my rythm metal guitars where I cut somewhere between 100 - 200 hz, especially on palm muted parts. Much like you did with the side chained snare. It´s a trick I learned from Andy Sneap and it has helped ALOT.
I always refer back to this video when doing a mix. Its a great refresher.
This video was a god send. I swear trying to figure out how to get a good metal tone through amp sims and then mixing them properly feels like its one of the most difficult things to find relevant or quality information on. Thank you so much for this. It's overwhelming trying to figure this stuff out sometimes.
high quality tutorial, thanks
You're welcome!
This channel seriously deserves more subscribers.
You gave me a how lot more insight on mixing more than just the guitar, keep up the work man.
Really dig the song on this video. Sounds In Flamesque
I literally said the words "this is amazing" while watching. Thank you so much!
Idk why I never bothered to watch these until now. all your videos helped me clean up my mix SO much. Lol thanks for all the tips and tricks.
DUDE.... Thanks for the knowledge. I'm a noob and these pieces make so much sense.
When i was younger, i wanted the raw black metal tone, but when i started mixing them, i realized I needed mids to actually sound good. Changed my whole perspective on tone lmao. Now a days i turn the bass frequency down and let the bass guitar do the heavy lifting in the bottom end
This is a very concise presentation of how to approach an otherwise very complicated task. You've done a great job of explaining and demonstrating this. I know that this will be a big help moving forward . Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
The Best mix hints ive ever seen
Awesome. No BS. Just quality contents!
These tips are very clearly explained and showed and boosted up my mix results and knowledge. Totally helpful.
this is the best video I've seen about mixing guitars, cheers dude ur a legend, subbed!!
Thank you for these videos, they're absolute gold 🙏
Literally the best resource on the internet. I have never had anything effect my mixes so immensely as you guys.
Lots of great info, and shown very quickly, great job!
I like how concise and simply explained the video. Everything is 🤘🤘
Dude this is seriously one of the best videos I’ve ever seen about this topic. Straight to point, gives actionable advice, and uses amp sims.
This was great! Just started to record music like this and it was instantly clear that mixing the guitar was going to be a bit different. This was exactly what I needed.
Thank you for this straight to the point amazing
This is an AMAZING starting point. Thank you!!
This was exactly what I needed
Nice tricks as always!!! Thank you Joey!!!!
Best video I’ve seen on guitar mixing. Thank you! I was making all of these mistakes without realizing it.
This is an incredible videro. Not a lot of stuff like this being made any more on YT, by anyone really. It may feel like covering the same ground and be repetitive to the creator, to cover the same topic multiple times - however, every source is different and wisdom comes from seeing workflow theory in action over and over again. I wouldnt complain if yall made more videos like this and I think they would do really well right now since no one else is doing it anymore
I’m definitely guilty of using too much gain, something I’ve changed these last few months.
Less gain makes the guitars sit better pretty much every time.
man this was so helpful! wish i could've seen this earlier to avoid my headaches with mixing the guitars 😭😭
Thanks for the tips!
great tip to change sound instead of tweaking, thanks;)
Thank you so much Joey Sturgis! I will hopefully work with you one day on a sick metal track! 😃
Really satisfying to see this monster at work!
Make more videos like this! Citing specific frequency ranges is super helpful.
Awesome video! Thank you!
This was so helpful and brilliantly edited. Thank you!
I loved this video more than I can say
I truly appreciate this. Whether its a good thing or a bad thing, this is more helpful that alot of the NTM fast tracks
very good video, didnt realise you only had 60k subs, deserve more
The best straight-forward video I've seen that actually tie all the tracks together in one simple summary.
Thanks!, great video!
Joey, this video was amazing. I actually understood how the frequencies cover each other and how to fix it. Thank you.
Killswitch Engage!! Great video Joey!!!
Great! I thought im crazy when sidechaining the guitars with the snare; good to see im not the only one. :)
It's so hard not to dial a decent tone with the technology that we have nowadays thanks to amazing music guys like JST, STL Tones Neural, IK Multimedia, Positive Grid, etc.
Really helpful! Thanks man 👊🏻😁
As always.... thanks JST!!!
I hope these tips would work really well with orchestral metal I'm mixing. It's hella hard to get the guitars to be heard when the full orchestra is playing.
This guy made my whole childhood
I'm just getting done with my first full year of sound engineering and this was BY FAR one of the best vids for fitting into mix.
Thank you for the tandem mention of pres and gain. It changed my entire perspective going forward!
Not blaming but in the final mix i heard some harsh peak frecuencies around 6k - 10k, maybe is a higher frequence but I heard this "Hshhhhhhh" constant sound in the guitars
What DAW is he using in this video? Looks beautiful 🥳
fire video
Gold!👌🤘
Like this? I love this video! Most videos I come across, Are about Beats and Hiphop. You earned a sub man.
I will admit it I have never once tried side chaining guitar to duck with the snare. Bass with kick yes, but I’ve never done it with guitar whatsoever. Need to experiment with that
Im a new fan here
Well said from the King himself
This was a really cool trick, particularly ducking the 2k range to let the bass pop through. Always wondered why I could never get good bass definition to come through
Great video. Usually recording the full tone from my Kemper, but I might have to look into splitting out before the cab, to have the option to use an IR. Or maybe I just need to get that Jason Suecof I have been eyeing...
I have a Kemper as well. I’ve always been reluctant to go too deep into actual cab swapping. Idk. I’ll briefly try a few but I never use ir’s. Always end up finding a cab I like within the Kemper itself. I do have plenty of ir’s on hand with ir loaders just never mess with it when using the Kemper. Maybe I should. I definitely have never split out and recoded just the amp without the cab. Always do Kemper tone and a direct though. It seems as the years go on I discover more and more options. The whole reason for buying my Kemper was to eliminate that shit. Lol
Use a DI Box, and a Reamp Box. It makes you more versatile tone. With the Raw DI track you can reamp and process in your Kemper or what u want,
I'm starting to record guitar cover on my daw and basically I'm separating the original track in stems and i'm replacing the original guitar with mine. Thanks, i think this will help me make my guitar stand out against the original instruments.
5:56 I'm pretty sure the images are swapped, anyway very useful video
Not as I understood it. Joe points out that too much 500 Hz in the drums or/and bass can mask the important 500 Hz area in guitars. So when we hear the music with the boosted area the guitars loose it’s power, when he mutes the Eq, so that the boosted 500 Hz area isn’t active (equals dipping the 500 Hz area from drums/bass, the guitars get the 500 Hz area and sound both clear and full sounding. But I agree it would be slightly more pedagogical to play the boosted 500 Hz in drums and bass version, and then used the EQ to dip out this area! Anyways: one of the best, if not the best tutorial I’ve seen on this topic! It’s so incredibly well scripted, edited and spot on, I’ve watched it twice and re-learned the simple and effective masking test, boost guitars to see what they mask and dip to see which instruments you can hear. This technique can also be used for other instruments- that makes this tutorial so incredibly useful. Big thanks from me 🙏
@@dagovevareberg You don't need to explain it to me, I understood the video, what I meant is that where the eq curve where a drum is shown corresponds to the frequency of a bass guitar and vice versa🤨
@@rinok9662 Aha, now I understand what you mean and I think you are spot on, the dip in the frequency spectrum in the mids belongs to the bass and not the drums!
I love this, though I think you switched the two eqs (bass / Drum eqs)
Other than that, super helpful video!
ideal mic guitr
Still searching for that beautiful Reaper theme
Excelent! So useful! But why the sound of the example at 1:18 sounds so much compact and cleaner than the rest of the examples which is full of "fried potato" (FSSSSSS) sound? Is it some IR in particular or do you have it procesed with another plugins? I ask cause my guitars sounds like the other parts and I want them to sound like in 1:18.
This video seems useful
Amazimg video ! Thx !
Good tutorial, but i have to say impulse responses and amp sims is fitting bmw m steering wheel on a Lada. It's still Lada. But your point on having right sound is good one. I've spent days on end trying to polish a turd and i bet i'm not the only one..
Mate, Idk how to formulate a question... You do such great videos with all plugins and stuff. How do you make it look so beautiful? I mean is there any tutorial on how to screen record Reaper or other DAWs?
I feel like one thing is missing: Widening! Just a little bit can drastically improve your mix.
Agreed 100% I use Waves s1 shuffler with a light setting on all rhythms. So much better, especially for that separation from the shells in the center.
YES I am in that rabbit hole as I type! sooo frustrated!
Hi , nice vidéo! You did not talk about limiting guitar Buss. ( Joey IS doing this on Ntm CNCC session) when I try to do it myself it's often kiling my guitar sound . I can't understand why.
Depends on your goal! Our goal is to make it more dense. This comes with the sacrifice of dynamics.
Good Stuff \m/
why do you side chain the snare fundamental to the guitar eq when the guitars are hard panned L/R and snare is in the center? arent they already not overlapping?
This is how u make a video 👌
Awesome.
Should vocals be cut from the fundemental freq to make room for guitars or the other way around?
Vocal is usually more important imo. Sidechaining a dynamic eq can make it so the mids-high end duck when the vocals are happening and come back when there’s no vocals. That’s what I typically do - subtly
the answer to the first question is they need to be panned? Im still learning and this is my guess.
Never mind the mix, how do I fit them all in mt bedroom?
I sometimes start Luke a gig mix ..set bas and drums ..add guitar add singer ...but I hearing you ..also I'd like to ask is recording ...instead of recording just 1 track in guitar is it better to record 2 and split them left and right. I recently tried 3 .1 full left 1 full right 1 stereo left and right ...and I tried to do the same eith my bass but 50 50 ..instead of full left and right ..then singing down stereo left and right 2 tracks ..I noticed lots of space and sepererate tracks ..I put the guitar as 3 tracks to try and find that punch through the middle with bass and drums ,..remember I split the bass only 50 50 ..I just want to do this ..I write and enjoy mixing ..and I don't think I'm useless I just need to no more ..I notice there's a lot in sound ..and not over loading so everything can fit in its place ..my mix is far from what I want to do ..frustrating yet ok because it gives me something to look forward to .....anyhow thank you for something more to think about ..lol..and that technique of recording I'm trying is that a good road to go down ??
That’s really informative video. Thank you. What reaper theme are you using?
Smooth 6
@@joeymusic Thanks a lot. Appreciate your reply. Will try it.
The sad fact is the example of bad guitar mixing at the beginning is already better than what I get.
What’s the name of the song? Been listening to it in a quite a few videos here and it’s driving me crazy that I don’t know the name haha
Can someone tell me the name of the software he’s using here please ?
it`s all coo but I still don`t know how loud the guitar should be in relation to others. And that trick with sidechaining. I already use Andy Sneap trick in that area, so how do I pair both
At 6 min the pro Q plugs are the wrong way round. All the knowledge is *Chefs kiss*
WHAT Reaper Template have you use? really nice
Curious if I could email you a draft of my mix?
I worked really hard on my guitar tones. I used some of my favorite songs and players as models and dialed in the tone I like for both gigging and recording. For me roll off anything under 100hz, cut at 200-240hz as needed to remove boxyness, boost 1k, 2k and 5k as needed to make it sizzle! Boosting at 3db increments to start then smaller adjustments to fine tune. Also, you have to EQ it for tracking then again in the mix. My effects are all post so there's loads of flexibility to edit as needed.
Does the same tricks apply for less distorted guitar too? Im working on some RnB alternative/indie pop right now
Also dont forget to notch out 4kHz 😂
Isn't 4K important for distorted guitars?