Another good tip what i do is mute the first guitar when recording the the 2nd track as the 1st track can be a little off putting and you can hear more clearly what you are recording in track 2 when track 1 is muted. :)
This is good if you know your parts well! If you have a guitarist who strays on the rhythm it’s helpful to still hear the double track so you can pull them in line 😂
And it Les soooooo much more satisfying when you do this, you have all the tracks recorded when you’re doing a quad track, you pan everything, unmute and give it that first listen… there’s nothing like it. 😎 I just got goosebumps.
3:00 if you have a guitarist like this, have them play the same part over in the same take. For example) if the pre chorus is 4 bars, stretch it/loop it to 8 or 16 bars, cut it up and you have your takes and theyll be more consistent then stoping and starting 4 times
13:56 Using the same guitar to avoid potential issues from intonation differences is valid point. Especially for stuff like this where everything is really tight an cohesive sounding.
Talk about the simplest most effective way to describe and demonstrate how this is done. Thank you so much. I've recorded one album in my life in a studio and the producer made me do this with my guitars and never explained why it needed to be done.
I just started double tracking guitars after doing a single track for years. This is exactly what I needed to see. Great content man, love your videos!
Good tip to get good doubles or quads for all performances, building on your tip to do it straight away: if you loop a section while recording, some DAWs like Studio One have functions that will jump to a new track with each loop, so you can literally just keep playing the same section non-stop and get all the takes in one go. I'd record more than you need and then keep only the best takes at mixing time. Another vantage of going with more takes than you need is that you have more stuff to comp, if needed, and you can use the additional tracks for effects (pitch them one octave up, change distortion setup, thin it up and add to the background to make a section beefier, for instance).
best explanation of dual and quad tracking ever. So many don't even go over the levels of the 2 quads in comparison to the first two L and R tracked, let alone what to do when you got a bunch of leads mixed in with the rhythms on where things sit.
DUDE! This touched on so many things I've had running around in my mind. You made good sense and explained /demonstrated everything very well. Thank you, brother. This was truly helpful! I am also going to download the Gojira amp sim asap! You may certainly have my subscription.
Something I recommend trying is on one side flipping the phase before the amp (not before amp pedals/EQ), and a second time right after the amp before any cab or post effects. Kohle made a great video for this. This beats the delay one side haas thing so much and there’s no phasey mess in mono. A double plus it even works great for real double tracking as well.
Pro tip: don't hard pan guitars. Do Max of 80% R/L so when you have a mono speaker ie cellphone, your guitars don't shrink in the mix. You can demonstrate this by checking your mix in mono. Cheers
Great video, brother! Appreciate you putting together so many samples so we could hear the differences between tracking methods. And that contrasting pan tip at the end is amazing! Kind of embarrassed I never thought of that 😭
@@lordhammerwind you may have taken me too seriously. It was a throwback to his intro "G'day legends." Not everything is intended to be taken literally. 😉
Good stuff as always! Personally, I always use a different amp for rhythm doubles, mainly I think coming from a background of being in bands with two guitars, I always like when two tones come together nicely. If I’m doubling a part that is more lead like, or each guitar is doing different things, then I don’t mind using the same tone for the part twice. But that’s just me! I know it can be made to sound great using all one tone.
I record 2 separate guitar tracks (separate performances), then duplicate the first guitar track & put both tracks in a Track Stack in Logic panned hard left & right. I do the same for the second guitar track. Then I use 2 different amp sims for the guitars. Seems to work well. I might try quad tracking but I’ve already got a lot of other elements in the mix like lead guitars, synths etc.
I do the same thing sometimes. For the right song, you can do the single track with hard left and right amps for a verse and go double track for the chorus for added impact.
I have great success with double tracking 1 guitarist using a tone and the other guitarist using a different but complementary tone and pan each guitarist left and right. Sounds HUGE and adds some nice variation.
If you are using a modeller for guitars, a good trick is to set up a stereo rig using different amps and IRs on the left and right, then record in stereo or send the left rig to one track and the right to another. Both tracks will sound completely different but they will be insanely tight!
Absolutely love it Rhys thanks! Just wanted to get your thoughts on eq, having slightly different on L & R has helped to widen them for me as well. Did you do this through the cab emulation or are they same same? Keep the vids coming mate! Legendary
edit: I was too eager - 19:56 answered this! :D What do you do if there's 2 guitarists playing different rhythms? Double track each guitarist still, but keep them panned to a side each?
Are they playing different rhythms intentionally? Sounds messy 🤔 But if there is two guitarists I would track them once each and pan either side - thus creating a double track - and then repeat for quad tracking.
13:56 I think that even with double tracking you should at least use a slightly different EQ, if not different amp tone. Same thing with guitars, not that you have to use a different one, but the variations will make it thicker if done right. Or maybe at least with different parts, like lead vs rhythms. It’s like with choirs, the reason they sound so huge is because of the variation in people’s vocal tone, timing, pitch, etc. even when they are super tight.
It hasn’t been released yet! There is vocals through the track, I took them out so we could focus on the guitars! I’ll drop a link once they release it
Interesting point about using the same guitar throughout. Myself I tend to pull upp guitars in Melodyne Studio and tune them 100% after the fact. (Eg. I use the center pitch macro, I don't fiddle note by note. It literally takes seconds). Of course that's an awfully expensive piece of kit just for tuning guitars, but if you already have it at your disposal it is incredibly convenient. Especially with 12-strings - or poorly intonated guitars for that matter.
@@spinlightstudios Yeah, polyphonically, which is why the cheaper versions of Melodyne won't work. About warbling: I guess it depends on the material, how dense the voicings are, how busy the part is, etc. I have noticed slight warbling on occasion, in which case I take it off. But most of the time it works like a charm - to my ears anyway. ;) But you certainly have a point, as over tones are tuned along with the fundamentals I assume things could wrong too. EDIT: I guess it could also depend on how much the source deviates from center pitch.
Oh and one more thing: I use amp sim plugins if I'm not miking up an acoustic, so the signal is always clean. I haven't tried tuning a guitar amped in the room after the fact, but I could imagine it sounding poor, with all the added overtones.
The rule I follow with di guitars is to make sure when the guitar is being played its loudest it can’t possibly clip the interfaces preamp. Then I’ll experiment with the input in neural to see what sounds best with the amp/preset I’m using
I've also experimented(and still do) with guitar tone, nowadays i just do double track if the riffs are fast , most of the times I quad track the choruses and breakdowns and pitch the quads down, if the whole song is slower and I can get away by quad tracking everything, I will have 6 guitars on the choruses XD, but the extra couple will probably play the higher notes of the chords and most of the time their inversions.
Thx a lot! Thinking of making the stereo guitars heavier for a chorus maybe i often prefer not to quad them just with the same playing or choose a different Amp sound... i often suggest to minimize the lick for ..let me say.. the deeper bass tones, or just octaves and not playing the fifths.. or the opposite.. playing inversions... or just playing the same shit in another range of the fretboard... often is quite nice for the BIG STAGE ;)
Yeah totally, you can do different inversions, different shapes to add more Colour. Using a capo to play the chords in a different voicing is a cool trick too
Can you help me clarifying some signal chain issues? If it's really an issue... I have my guitar plugged DI, and running an amp sim on my daw. On track 1 I have the amp sim, but the output of track 1 I have to another track. The input of the 2nd track is the output of track 1 with the amp sim printing onto the second track. The output of track 2 goes out the master out. This way I can record them turn off and mute the di and plugin track to work with just audio. (Although it prints to a stereo sign wave.) Does this signal path make sense or should I just have one track with the di signal and the amp sim plugin?
Are you doing this so you can record the amp sim as you’re playing? Or are you recording it to a new channel once you are done? Are you experience any latency if so? I would generally just track the di and listen to the amp sim - once finished bounce the amp sim in place (render is as an audio file). It’s the same as what you are doing but just making it an audio file with the amp tone written to it at the end.
@@spinlightstudios yea. recording the amp sim as im playing. I've already gone through and dialed in a tone that I am happy with and saved as a preset with all the effects and processing I want done on it. So really no need for me to check or tweak around with any of the amp settings. I was just curious if there were any drawbacks or issues doing it this way compared to the more traditional way of recording then bounce after.
If it’s the same DI just copy and pasted it will still somewhat collapse to the center, it’s the little differences in timing and pitch that make it sounds wide when you pan two different takes out
You could get some cool results, but it will still pull the image to the center as it’s still the same audio, I’ve tried this with different amp sims etc - you can get some interesting results but still not as good in my opinion as actually double tracking a part.
Ohh I was going to talk about this but forgot. I think it can be cool, but it also doesn’t sound as wide. But you retaking a better mono center… so just depends what matters to you! I usually put the center guitar a fair amount lower than the L+R guitars.
On Metallica album ride the lightning james Hetfield did this trick , left and right hard panned and a third one in the middle with -6db ! Insane Metal Sound , back in 1984 🔥🤘🏻
I wonder if there is a plugin delay where you can send the mono guitar in and it will pop out a left and right guitar at random delays so the right guitar is never behind but random. I know it is not the best thing but if you are in a pinch maybe that can be a better solution when you only have a mono guitar.
You could use Flex Time and manually manipulate it, but you might find moments where it’s crosses over being in sync and pulls the image to the center. Usually I get around it by copy pasting repeated parts to create a double track. Ideally they just track it twice 😂😂
I had some old material that I did re-record one set of guitars, but not the other set. I could tell that the collapse happened on one set because there is a section of deliverare chugging guitar that goes back and forth almost by itself. Luckily, the other set masked the effect and there was enough stereo separation there to not lose the effect entirely. But I could tell. I was just so tired of all the takes and said screw it, there's enough there, I'm tired lol.
Quad tracking can making things less defined if they are tight. Even still can sort of smooth things out a bit. Depends what you like and what works for you!
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Another good tip what i do is mute the first guitar when recording the the 2nd track as the 1st track can be a little off putting and you can hear more clearly what you are recording in track 2 when track 1 is muted. :)
This is good if you know your parts well! If you have a guitarist who strays on the rhythm it’s helpful to still hear the double track so you can pull them in line 😂
100%. In general, I only want to hear drums when tracking rhythm guitars.
I definitely don't want to hear my other guit performance
And it Les soooooo much more satisfying when you do this, you have all the tracks recorded when you’re doing a quad track, you pan everything, unmute and give it that first listen… there’s nothing like it. 😎
I just got goosebumps.
3:00 if you have a guitarist like this, have them play the same part over in the same take. For example) if the pre chorus is 4 bars, stretch it/loop it to 8 or 16 bars, cut it up and you have your takes and theyll be more consistent then stoping and starting 4 times
Yeah totally, whatever works!
The ol'school "don't worry, I ain't recording, keep going" 😅
13:56 Using the same guitar to avoid potential issues from intonation differences is valid point. Especially for stuff like this where everything is really tight an cohesive sounding.
Talk about the simplest most effective way to describe and demonstrate how this is done. Thank you so much. I've recorded one album in my life in a studio and the producer made me do this with my guitars and never explained why it needed to be done.
Cheers man!
This video comes just as I am hearing up to track guitars for a hardcore project this weekend. Great work as usual!
Hope you find it helpful! A tip, Make sure you track a DI if you’re tracking live amps!
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Thanks so much legend!
I just started double tracking guitars after doing a single track for years. This is exactly what I needed to see. Great content man, love your videos!
Thanks so much! Glad to hear it's helping. 🙂
You can also use four guitars tracks.two on the left and two on the right , just amazing 🤘🤘
Quad it up!
@@Artificial_tears imma have to try that too dude, thanks for the idea man 😁
It’s them little different nuances that make double tracking your guitar sounds so good!
Good tip to get good doubles or quads for all performances, building on your tip to do it straight away: if you loop a section while recording, some DAWs like Studio One have functions that will jump to a new track with each loop, so you can literally just keep playing the same section non-stop and get all the takes in one go.
I'd record more than you need and then keep only the best takes at mixing time. Another vantage of going with more takes than you need is that you have more stuff to comp, if needed, and you can use the additional tracks for effects (pitch them one octave up, change distortion setup, thin it up and add to the background to make a section beefier, for instance).
Great video, I had the basics but this definitely broadens the options.
Glad it was helpful!
This is why I subscribed. You are a great teacher! Such good info here!
Thanks Kyle 🙏🏼
Love the way you explain things these tutorials are why I subscribed, would love to more of them.
Cheers Steve!
best explanation of dual and quad tracking ever. So many don't even go over the levels of the 2 quads in comparison to the first two L and R tracked, let alone what to do when you got a bunch of leads mixed in with the rhythms on where things sit.
Thanks man! 🙏🏼
DUDE! This touched on so many things I've had running around in my mind. You made good sense and explained /demonstrated everything very well. Thank you, brother. This was truly helpful! I am also going to download the Gojira amp sim asap! You may certainly have my subscription.
Thanks legend!
Something I recommend trying is on one side flipping the phase before the amp (not before amp pedals/EQ), and a second time right after the amp before any cab or post effects.
Kohle made a great video for this. This beats the delay one side haas thing so much and there’s no phasey mess in mono. A double plus it even works great for real double tracking as well.
Pro tip: don't hard pan guitars. Do Max of 80% R/L so when you have a mono speaker ie cellphone, your guitars don't shrink in the mix. You can demonstrate this by checking your mix in mono. Cheers
Great video, brother! Appreciate you putting together so many samples so we could hear the differences between tracking methods. And that contrasting pan tip at the end is amazing! Kind of embarrassed I never thought of that 😭
Cheers man! Glad you got something out of it!
You also can record 1 guitar and put Doubler on it. Before the amp with stereo setting on amp or just after the amp
That’s interesting, doublers are generally creating the haas effect to work though. Do you hear phasing in mono?
@ Absolutely not. And the sound is huge
@ are you using waves doubler?
@ Yeah. Doubler 4
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This mix sounds brutal..Great tutorial. Thank you!
Cheers legend!
Thanks a lot man, technically your video has been very useful, but I would say that last remarks about contrast are even more important!
Thanks mate!
Working on your Pop Punk Easycore tracks right now. I'm totally going to try this. Thanks Rhys. You're a legend.
Awesome! Hope it helps!
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Man..TH-cam copy pasta with phrases and vernacular in general... OOF!!!
@@lordhammerwind you may have taken me too seriously. It was a throwback to his intro "G'day legends."
Not everything is intended to be taken literally. 😉
Dude...best videos on YT!!! I so appreciate your channel, Thank You!!
Appreciate that man!
contrast is king - very good insight - appreciate your channel your very good at what you do!
Thanks so much legend!
Good stuff as always! Personally, I always use a different amp for rhythm doubles, mainly I think coming from a background of being in bands with two guitars, I always like when two tones come together nicely. If I’m doubling a part that is more lead like, or each guitar is doing different things, then I don’t mind using the same tone for the part twice. But that’s just me! I know it can be made to sound great using all one tone.
I record 2 separate guitar tracks (separate performances), then duplicate the first guitar track & put both tracks in a Track Stack in Logic panned hard left & right. I do the same for the second guitar track. Then I use 2 different amp sims for the guitars. Seems to work well. I might try quad tracking but I’ve already got a lot of other elements in the mix like lead guitars, synths etc.
I do the same thing sometimes. For the right song, you can do the single track with hard left and right amps for a verse and go double track for the chorus for added impact.
exactly what i needed! been looking for this kind of tutorial for ages.
Glad it was helpful mate!
I have great success with double tracking 1 guitarist using a tone and the other guitarist using a different but complementary tone and pan each guitarist left and right. Sounds HUGE and adds some nice variation.
Perfect! As long as the tones compliment it will sound great!
this is pure gold! Thanks for share, will help a lot 🙏
No problem!
This is actually gold, thanks heaps legend!
No worries mate!
Some excellent tips in this video Rhys.
Cheers mate!
You answered a lot of questions. Great vid!
Thanks mate!
as always, thank you for the wisdom, never give up on the channel !!!
Thanks mate! Appreciate it!
If you are using a modeller for guitars, a good trick is to set up a stereo rig using different amps and IRs on the left and right, then record in stereo or send the left rig to one track and the right to another. Both tracks will sound completely different but they will be insanely tight!
I could see this working for metal but for me personally, the incremental timing differences between the two takes makes it sound that much bigger
@ yep, agreed. I don’t do it every time. Usually with faster tempo stuff, when you need it to be really tight.
Absolutely love it Rhys thanks!
Just wanted to get your thoughts on eq, having slightly different on L & R has helped to widen them for me as well. Did you do this through the cab emulation or are they same same?
Keep the vids coming mate! Legendary
For this they are pretty much the same! But eqing them different can help create some difference / width.
Brilliant video…. Contrast is indeed king!
Crazy how we can over complicate what can be such simple and effect ideas!
edit: I was too eager - 19:56 answered this! :D
What do you do if there's 2 guitarists playing different rhythms?
Double track each guitarist still, but keep them panned to a side each?
Are they playing different rhythms intentionally? Sounds messy 🤔
But if there is two guitarists I would track them once each and pan either side - thus creating a double track - and then repeat for quad tracking.
LIKED and added to favorites before even watching it!
Haha thanks mate!
Excellent work. Thank you for these educational videos. Is it possible to listen to this song somewhere?
Thanks! Not yet, but I think soon, I’ll pop a link in the description when it’s available!
@@spinlightstudios Thank you for the info and especially for what you do. I appreciate it.
13:56 I think that even with double tracking you should at least use a slightly different EQ, if not different amp tone. Same thing with guitars, not that you have to use a different one, but the variations will make it thicker if done right. Or maybe at least with different parts, like lead vs rhythms. It’s like with choirs, the reason they sound so huge is because of the variation in people’s vocal tone, timing, pitch, etc. even when they are super tight.
Totally, good tip for sure!
That was a good one.
thank you!
Great vid mate
Cheers legend!
Genius!!
Great Video and really helpful, Thanks Man!! Is there any chance to get that Song's title?
It hasn’t been released yet! There is vocals through the track, I took them out so we could focus on the guitars! I’ll drop a link once they release it
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Interesting point about using the same guitar throughout. Myself I tend to pull upp guitars in Melodyne Studio and tune them 100% after the fact. (Eg. I use the center pitch macro, I don't fiddle note by note. It literally takes seconds). Of course that's an awfully expensive piece of kit just for tuning guitars, but if you already have it at your disposal it is incredibly convenient. Especially with 12-strings - or poorly intonated guitars for that matter.
Do you do this in polyphonic mode? I find it warbles the sound too much tuning chords. Or maybe I’m doing wrong 🤷🏻♂️
@@spinlightstudios Yeah, polyphonically, which is why the cheaper versions of Melodyne won't work. About warbling: I guess it depends on the material, how dense the voicings are, how busy the part is, etc. I have noticed slight warbling on occasion, in which case I take it off. But most of the time it works like a charm - to my ears anyway. ;) But you certainly have a point, as over tones are tuned along with the fundamentals I assume things could wrong too.
EDIT: I guess it could also depend on how much the source deviates from center pitch.
Oh and one more thing: I use amp sim plugins if I'm not miking up an acoustic, so the signal is always clean. I haven't tried tuning a guitar amped in the room after the fact, but I could imagine it sounding poor, with all the added overtones.
HAAS effect is good for for the 2 hard panned left and right together though.
What is the input gain on your interface when using the neural plugins?? Thanks.. great video
The rule I follow with di guitars is to make sure when the guitar is being played its loudest it can’t possibly clip the interfaces preamp. Then I’ll experiment with the input in neural to see what sounds best with the amp/preset I’m using
I've also experimented(and still do) with guitar tone, nowadays i just do double track if the riffs are fast , most of the times I quad track the choruses and breakdowns and pitch the quads down, if the whole song is slower and I can get away by quad tracking everything, I will have 6 guitars on the choruses XD, but the extra couple will probably play the higher notes of the chords and most of the time their inversions.
Nice! Quad tracking does add some serious weight!
'great video!!!!! :)
Thanks mate!
Refering to the Gojira and Nolly quad sample at 13:44 ish - You are using two 5150's I do not feel there was much variance haha.
You can hear the tones sound different, regardless if it’s both 5150s, they are different modeled amps and cabs and mics are different
Can u show us how to program midi drums correctly? i love your videos dude amazing content!
Yeah for sure! I have a video on midi drums already :) I popped a link to it in the description for you!
There are some tips for programming, not just mixing.
Thx a lot! Thinking of making the stereo guitars heavier for a chorus maybe i often prefer not to quad them just with the same playing or choose a different Amp sound... i often suggest to minimize the lick for ..let me say.. the deeper bass tones, or just octaves and not playing the fifths.. or the opposite.. playing inversions... or just playing the same shit in another range of the fretboard... often is quite nice for the BIG STAGE ;)
Yeah totally, you can do different inversions, different shapes to add more Colour. Using a capo to play the chords in a different voicing is a cool trick too
Can you help me clarifying some signal chain issues? If it's really an issue...
I have my guitar plugged DI, and running an amp sim on my daw. On track 1 I have the amp sim, but the output of track 1 I have to another track. The input of the 2nd track is the output of track 1 with the amp sim printing onto the second track. The output of track 2 goes out the master out. This way I can record them turn off and mute the di and plugin track to work with just audio. (Although it prints to a stereo sign wave.)
Does this signal path make sense or should I just have one track with the di signal and the amp sim plugin?
Are you doing this so you can record the amp sim as you’re playing? Or are you recording it to a new channel once you are done?
Are you experience any latency if so?
I would generally just track the di and listen to the amp sim - once finished bounce the amp sim in place (render is as an audio file). It’s the same as what you are doing but just making it an audio file with the amp tone written to it at the end.
@@spinlightstudios yea. recording the amp sim as im playing. I've already gone through and dialed in a tone that I am happy with and saved as a preset with all the effects and processing I want done on it. So really no need for me to check or tweak around with any of the amp settings. I was just curious if there were any drawbacks or issues doing it this way compared to the more traditional way of recording then bounce after.
@ only drawback would be if there was latency effecting your playing, otherwise shouldn’t be an issue
@@spinlightstudios so far none that I've come across. Thank you so much for the response and help clarifying this up! Much appreciated 🙏🏽
Would doubling DI tracks, but using different amp sims, put you into too similar a trap as just a standard doubling of a mono track?
If it’s the same DI just copy and pasted it will still somewhat collapse to the center, it’s the little differences in timing and pitch that make it sounds wide when you pan two different takes out
What do you think about using a splitter to put the same take through 2 similar but different amps panned left and right?
You could get some cool results, but it will still pull the image to the center as it’s still the same audio, I’ve tried this with different amp sims etc - you can get some interesting results but still not as good in my opinion as actually double tracking a part.
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How would one go about getting you to mix a song and finding out about your rates?
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What do you think about recording 3 times the same part ? ( left, right, center)
Ohh I was going to talk about this but forgot. I think it can be cool, but it also doesn’t sound as wide. But you retaking a better mono center… so just depends what matters to you! I usually put the center guitar a fair amount lower than the L+R guitars.
On Metallica album ride the lightning james Hetfield did this trick , left and right hard panned and a third one in the middle with -6db ! Insane Metal Sound , back in 1984 🔥🤘🏻
I wonder if there is a plugin delay where you can send the mono guitar in and it will pop out a left and right guitar at random delays so the right guitar is never behind but random. I know it is not the best thing but if you are in a pinch maybe that can be a better solution when you only have a mono guitar.
You could use Flex Time and manually manipulate it, but you might find moments where it’s crosses over being in sync and pulls the image to the center. Usually I get around it by copy pasting repeated parts to create a double track. Ideally they just track it twice 😂😂
@@spinlightstudios Very nice!. I appreciate the tip and I have been enjoying your channel.
Bro do a full mix vid on this song.
I’ll think about it!
so in that quad tracked chug section all guitars are hard panned?
They were, but you can experiment with panning as to what sounds best to you and the project
@spinlightstudios yea I've played around, I was just wondering how you did those. thanks man
I had some old material that I did re-record one set of guitars, but not the other set. I could tell that the collapse happened on one set because there is a section of deliverare chugging guitar that goes back and forth almost by itself. Luckily, the other set masked the effect and there was enough stereo separation there to not lose the effect entirely. But I could tell. I was just so tired of all the takes and said screw it, there's enough there, I'm tired lol.
Haha I know that feeling…
Is this song out??
Not yet, I’ll post a link when it is
I feel like quad tracked takes a little away from nuance, I like double tracked seem to be more clarity
Quad tracking can making things less defined if they are tight. Even still can sort of smooth things out a bit. Depends what you like and what works for you!
Bummer that the drummer is wayyyy overplaying though
🤣🤣 na I like it!
If the guitarist in 2024 goes into a studio and don't know about double tracking it's so funny
Haha I think this is more aimed at people tracking at home 😉