Interesting vlog Here are my results and the results are very interesting with Ionity and home being the cheapest and greatest mpg based on diesel prices. Hope the formatting looks ok. Charger £ KW p/kwh miles mpg eq Insta 10.10 13.4752 75 42 30.13 Ionity 5.18 17.28 30 53.74 75.16 porsce 7.21 13.31 54 41.39 41.59 Grid 15.14 21.95 69 68.26 32.66 Home 7.245 27.865 26 86.66 86.66 So electric can be cheaper than petrol/diesel if you charge wisely as there are not many cars that would get over 75 mpg unless its a hybrid. Great Vlog 👍
But hybrids are only economic around town up to 30mph, (twenty mph in Wales). Petrol engine kicks on the open road, and averages about 36mpg overall. If that fire at Luton airport started with an ev (or possibly hybrid Range Rover) the future ev market may nosedive. Vauxhall workers at Ellesmere Port will feel the pinch.
@@davidk3729 I have a hybrid Ioniq, the battery still kicks in and out at 70mph - it routinely gets 60mpg+ on a long motorway journey. Actually to be honest it's often a bit better than city driving, I think I'm a bit heavy footed! Assume you have a different experience with yours?
There is no point in comparing charging costs unless you are comparing like for like vehicles. The closest comparable vehicle to a Porsche Taycan is the Panamera, which costs approx 26p per mile at average UK petrol price and more at motorway services prices. As the Taycan can average 3.5 miles to the kWh in the real world, you would have to pay 91p a kWh at the charger to be more expensive than the Panamera.
I was told the electricity comes free from the Electricity Pixie. And the minerals and metals are mined and smelted using Fairy Dust... And the car itself is made channeling the energy of Happy Thoughts. 😜🤪😝🤪😜
At least 50 percent of UK electricity is renewable now. Most of the materials for batteries are recyclable and if you have issues with CARS being built, stop driving one. What part of the thousands of gallons of oil that you burn is recyclable and while my car gets cleaner every year, your car gets dirtier?
It's very rare we get 50% electric from renewables, the majority of the time it's less than 20%. National grid say around 35% then it also gets topped up with nuclear. That's how the government twist the statistics to make it look like over 50% they don't class nuclear as fossil fuels so they sneak it in with renewable figures to try to make it look better than it is. It's a load of bullshit with manipulated data. If EV's were good enough they wouldn't have to ban petrol and diesel cars. If they were good enough they wouldn't need to force people into them.
And now insurance companies have started to refuse to insure them ,ferry companies won’t have them on board the list goes on and on they’re a liability.
Hysterical nonsense based on misinformation and scaremongering pushed by the oil lobby. I recently got a quote online for a Tesla Model 3, and numerous insurers offered me policies with no added restrictions because it was electric. The same goes for house insurance. There may be one or two outliers that don't, as there may be one or two ferry companies overreacting, but when you consider there are already numerous ferries using battery electric drive trains regularly used by EV owners, it's another false narrative. BEVs are far less likely to catch fire than ICEVs, and much publicised large car fires have been found not to have been caused by EVs, despite much speculation to the opposite. An expected 10 million BEVs and a further 4 million PHEVs will be sold this year, and millions of those will be shipped around the world on car carriers, yet the international union of marine insurers do not consider there is an additional risk. If they are not worried, why should you be?
Did the compare. I converted everything to Australian Dollar and KM as I am in Australia. EV Mileage Prenium most expensive Petrol for my sports hatch $19.07 69.2KM $7.61 $9.78 86.48KM $9.51 $13.62 66.61KM $7.32 $28.60 109.85KM $12.08 $13.67 139.46KM $15.34 Most cases petrol cost approx half the cost of EV The only time petrol cost slightly more is in the last one Home Charging and only slightly so basically hardly any difference. What a complete disgrace EV. They should be banned from production and the CORRUPTION SHOULD STOP. I will NEVER EVER in my life own and EV or even an Automatic Car. A Manual transmission car is the only real car that keeps you alert and keeps your driving skills the way the should be. Thank You MacMaster for making us all aware of the complete BULLSHIT in the EV industry
Its not bullshit, its a well orchestrated scam and grift. Even battery production worth 5 years of driving petrol pollution. Nobody asks about battery recycling issue, it will come up for sure and likely will add to a cost of a new vehicle too, increasing the lost value for the first owner. And then average grid electro production creates more pollution per mile than a petrol car. Those coal and gas firing plant don’t have the catalytic converters.
You made some calculation errors. Remember, you need to compare apples to apples with the cars. He's driving a Porsche EV so the ICE equivalent would be the 911 turbo which averages 27km/gal (combined city/hwy) or 7km/litre. To go 70 km the 911 would need 10 litres at $3.4AUD/litre or $34AUD, so $15 cheaper for the same distance in the EV at the most expensive charger. I think you used the price for premium petrol in Australia instead of using the cost in the UK (1.8 pounds/litre in the UK or $3.4 AUD/L)
@@raa729 No, the CO2 emissions from building an EV (including the battery) takes 12-15 months of driving to break even. After that it depends on the source of the electricity as to what the actual CO2 generation is (and fossil fuel electric plants produce less CO2 than the equivalent amount of energy used in an ICE car). BTW, power plants have CO2 scrubbers which significantly reduce CO2 output. As for battery recycling the batteries are broken down to the basic components and the metals are reused to make new batteries. However just because the battery is no longer suitable for a car doesn't mean it doesn't have other uses. Old batteries are reconditioned and put back into cars. Partially depleted batteries are often used in fork lifts (remember, the batteries are made up of modules), robots, storage batteries for solar homes (a battery not suitable for the car can still proved 50kWh or more which is enough to power a house for several days). So sorry to burst another false bubble for you.
So, you spent all day putting £50 of energy into your milk float adding just 160 miles to your range. (Excluding mileage done between charge points). You were fortunate it was a fine day. Do the same on a wet day, a windy day, a freezing day (that is, a more typical UK day). The only heat will be from the frayed tempers, frustrated arm flaying and foot stomping. On top of that, you're inevitably going to expand your waist with all those sugary snacks and carb loaded drinks. I think we've all got more important or life affirming things to do than minister vast amounts of time and energy to keep a means of transport - supposedly there to make life easier - on the road.
My 18 month opinion on vw I'd 4 1. Stated range is a over estimated gestimate- stated range 240 - in summer over 25 degrees you get this - November to March same full charge 180 miles. 2. Turn on heater rear windscreen and wipers and full charge in winter 120 miles. 3. Range anxiety - big draw back 4. Finding some were to charge - got about 6 apps on phone. I will be buying a plug in hybrid next - I've had 4 hybrids before - far superior, if it was not a company car I honestly would not buy a new one. They are ideal as a second small car ie less than 30 miles around town and cities with zones.
Batteries degenerate with every charge cycle. Therefore the cost per mile will continually creep up as the car ages. An old diesel will still do between 60 to 70 mph when it is 10 years old whereas an electric cars range will plummet.
I had a Nissan Ariya on order after your video where your insurance quote was£3500!! I checked the insurance cost of the Ariya. The insurance quote was extortionate. I have cancelled the car and car charger installation. I’m gonna stick to ice cars.
I’ve got an Ariya it’s a great car, some owners have had lots of issues with theirs but mine so far has been faultless. Best car I’ve ever not owned (Motabilty) lease.
@@tommytinkler1708bit of a difference between a £100 annual increase and a £2800 annual increase. If ordinary people weren't already priced out of electric cars, they will be now.
Imagine if petrol and deisel where the new technology claiming 30% cheaper purchase price , triple the range, 5 minute top up anywhere, holds its value better, etc it would be an easy sell !! You wouldn't need a mandate to sell them.
Plus you wouldn't need to replace the engine and transmission every 8-10 years. You know if EV makers are offering an 8 year warranty they will be toast after ten years, warranties always run out before they are desperately needed.
@@rbnhd1144 I have a hybrid and it's 11 years old. The batteries are rated at 89% good. BYD rate their batteries for 500,00 KM still so this "the batteries need to be replaced" is a nonsense.
MacMaster a question for you: If you charge up an EV, how long do they keep their charge? Because if I filled up my petrol car with 55Litres, but not use it for a month, I still have 55Litres in my tank. But do EVs immediately start to lose their charge if not used???
take away the fire risk, the increased tyre wear and brake system - EV's do NOT have the charging infrastructure and, more importantly, the country is incapable of providing a fully EV moving population. oh, and the fact that, if you have an EV, you wont be able to insure your house, and the insurance for the car itself will be astronomical!
Fuel costs for my diesel to do 300miles: £38.50 and 3mins fuel up time. Approx. 12.9p/mile. 12k miles: £1,500. I’m happy with this and have no anxiety, worry-free about finding charging bays and only 20 full tank visits in one year.
Hi Lee, to get an accurate comparison, try the old fashioned way. First thing you need to do is find out exactly how many miles you get per Kwh. The only accurate way to do this, is to fill to the brim i.e.100%, (just as you would in a petrol/diesel car). Zero your trip meter and when you next charge, again to 100% take a note of many miles you travelled and how many Kwh it took to charge to 100%. Zero the trip and repeat the process again and again to get anything like an accurate average, over a variety of driving conditions. Do not rely on manufactures' data or on-board computers.
Why is that. because before you posted a comment that makes you look like a stupid idiot. You would have been aware of the government grants that cover the cost to install charging points for flats
If I put £10 of petrol in my car I can get around 90 miles out of the amount. Plus my insurance doesnt cost thousands of pounds, and the MOT casts £42 a year oh and my car is ULEZ compliant too. And dont forget, driving an EV makes you feel absolutely SUPERIOR !!!!
Dunno, I feel superior filling 85l of 100 octane int my v8 biturbo laughing at scrooges in EVs who will end up paying more anyway while having a bad experience along the way
As an EV owner, my experience using public fast chargers matches your own, utter frustration in a lot of cases. The problem is they are all “unmanned” and have multiple components from different vendors( eg the contactless reader ) uptime is not great, and they seem to take days to repair… gotta say, using Tesla supercharger, I’ve yet to find one that didn’t work perfectly- the difference here, every part of the charger, transformers etc all made and supported by a single supplier…We need to get our act together if we want EVs to work..
Hi Lee. I just watched “Highpeak Auto” on TH-cam. He borrowed a Audi Etron for a road trip. To summarise 1) public charging network is rubbish 2) car is to expensive (99k) and 3) depreciation is horrendous
I have a lovely Audi A6 Biturbo diesel. Once a month I fill it with 70litres. Takes five, minutes and costs $150. So the cost of a coffee per day. I have tons of power, very economical and no range anxiety. Not likely to burn the building down either 😅. Haha
My wife and I are elderly(Senior Citizens?) and from what we have seen of public chargers we would get wet and cold trying to use an E.V. using the equipment currently installed in most locations.
I seen 3 people arguing and getting a bit heated at a service station bit of pushing going on and 2 police officers spotted it at the services and started walking over. So I shouted out my window behave yourself or all you 3 will be charged before your car is
@@deansh8506 don’t confuse him. I claimed I got an equivalent 318mpg charging at home with my EV and some sceptic asked for the maths. I gave him it, and never heard anything back.
I just sold my EV after 18 months of ownership. Agree with all these points. EV ownership is a pain in the ar*e. Don't do it! Plus I lost a LOT (5 figures) when selling the car. The value plummets.
Here , At present ev are being charged 2.5 to 3cents per klm travelled as this is to replace duty from petrol/ diesel which is approximately 45 cents per litre , it may well be higher now .Point being this ev tax will only rise as government will not like seeing their windfall tax on motorists being lost , EV cheaper than ice ? Trust any government not to raise this ev tax ? Not going to happen. Good honest review.🇦🇺👍
And also in order to preserve the EV's residual value - they have to praise them as much as possible so they can get as much as they can for their "Lemon" of a car.
@@adamcarter699 So here's the maths: 3.7 miles per kWh 4.5 hours/night off peak @ 7.5p kWh 11kwh home charger £10 / £0.075 = 133kwh of charging. 133kwh / 11kw = 12 hours charging Button on dash to open charging port Distance between charging port and charger is 18 inches Takes me about 2.5 seconds to... Oh sorry typo.. 3 charges at 2.5 seconds is 7.5 seconds, but I also have to unplug 3 times.. that's 15 seconds... Standing around not 8.5 seconds really sorry but I do a lot of miles and love how much time the EV saves me.
People forget that the current fuel duty that all ICE vehicle drivers pay WILL have to be recovered by EV users at some point in the future. Using an EV is 'cheap' now but the future looks bleak. Road mileage charging here we come!
@@mikebreen2890 oh look its the man whos never owned an ev! back to troll me again? if the first year ved is based on vehicle value and the second year it resumes normal service that will still make my road tax cheaper on my hybrid than an electric vehicle as mine has a c02 rating so my car is £0 and the all electrics will be £180 .... i think that fair to be honest considering they damage the road more than my car 🤣
A well known car vlogger recently did a road trip in an EV North to South and at one point during the vlog he managed a charge that cost him £60 for 200 miles. So that'd work out at £240.00 for 800 miles in a milk float compared to £85 for the same mileage in my dirty diesel. Cheaper to charge at home but I can't tow my house behind me 🤣 BMW reinventing the motor car , does this mean they'll now get indicators ? You can preach my friend but I fear this new generation have already been brainwashed 😡
My husband works for bmw and his garage no longer take any electric cars on px! He get loads of people trying to offload their Tesla’s etc and they walk away in tears at the sheer amount of money they’ve lost since buying the ev 😂😂
I was impressed by the BMW guy, he talked a lot of sense. It should be about choice, evs work for some people but not all. We should have a choice, not be told by politicians and bureaucrats what we must drive.
I actually see an opportunity here for bringing back “Coaching Inn’s” we had these a hundred years ago so you could rest and recharge your horses overnight for the next leg of your journey and you could keep dry and warm in them 😂
As a disabled person seeing you struggling with the cables and having to move to another charger because one didn't work, confirms to me that EV 's are not for me.
74 pence per KWH what a rip off. when my home electricity is 29.35 pence per KWH with Scottish power. that's a rip off Iv'e got 23 solar panels fitted at home and in the summer the meter runs backwards. they now want me to send them pictures of both gas and electric meter readings as they think i'm bullshitting them about the readings. spot on lee. cheers.
Thoroughly enjoy your take on EV's and loved all the recent Benelmadena videos. It's definitely a place I would live to go back to. With all the gloomy news, your videos are a real tonic.
The one expense that EV promoters NEVER discuss is Time. Time is money. How much is your time worth? A gasoline car takes a VERY short amount of time to fill the tank. Whereas the EV takes literal hours. Thats time out of your day that could have been used for something more productive.
I am in a band, I've just driven up to Newcastle on Tyne from Derby, but I had to a wait for a band member to come to me from the south, then pick up 2 members in Sheffield so making a round trip of 374 miles at a cost of £80 in diesel plus we had to have one short stop for lunch each way. Not bad for a 2011 Renault Trafic with 5 people and group gear. Bands do not have the time to waste spending valuable travelling time charging EVs. Tours don't always mean travelling short distances between gigs, the worst was Ilfracombe to Bolton for the next day's gig!!! It took over 6 hours with queues on M5 and M6. For us EVs are not viable just on time alone.
Almost every major problem I've had with cars is with the electronics (and finding a mechanic who know how to handle them!). I can't imagine what it would be like if my car was fully electric.
Matt at High Peak Autos posted a video yesterday, going on a 280 mile road trip in an Audi E-tron with an estimated range of 300 miles. On the way down he had to re-charge when he got to 9%. It cost £60 to fully charge and he got 200 miles out of it.... Pretty sure I used to get more than 200 miles from £60 in my 2005 3.0d X5.
Costs me less than £8 to charge my nitro from home and does 260 miles in real world. In a petrol would cost about £25 to get 260 miles. So I'm finding electric cars alot cheaper
Let's hope the Luton airport car park fire wasn't started by an EV or else on top of high insurance costs, expensive charging points, massive depreciation they will be banned from car parks too.
Regardless of what vehicle started the fire, having EVs in the mix greatly accelerates the fire's uncontrollable propagation. Legislation needs to get ahead of that before the percentage of EVs turns every car park fire into a massive unmitigated disaster by how quickly battery fires can spread from one pack to the next or burn their way through the floor into the next level down. No matter what burnt first, parking garages need stronger sprinkler systems to prevent damage to structures by intense battery fires, cut down the heat to surroundings, tack down some of the toxic fumes and add more spacing between vehicles to slow down propagation.
Absolute nonsense, I have an MG5 that you could obtain for about £16,000 and is a highly practical and dirt cheap to run car. A ExciTe version with a few miles could be £13,000.
An EV is by far the best choice but only if you have your own driveway, my weekly mileage is around 200miles, that costs £3.50 using my octopus EV tariff, plus the car is always the perfect temperature & fully defrosted in winter when I get in it, also get over the air software updates & my only service is topping up the windscreen washers.
@@evostu7814 Some people have other options such as charging at work, that's going to become far more common to the point of being expected. Basically, chargers where people park. Yup, you don't need to sell an EV to me, I was converted years ago. Speaking of windscreen washer top up - I knew there was something I needed to do, ta!
Electric cars are brilliant if you like spending most of your life at charging stations, or motorway service areas. living on a diet of coffee/ coke and snacks. which means you are probably unemployed, and if in work will soon be unemployed by the time you have wasted at charging points. EV's are certainly not the future no matter how much you dress them up.
Lee, Last night there was a big fire at Luton Airport car park. Nobody knows the cause yet but everyone will say EV's caused it. Perhaps we are better off without them after all. I started a thread on a popular web forum and that got locked, that is censorship IMHO. I'm sticking with my EV for now but perhaps my next car will be a petrol model as I'm not happy at the moment.
Just did a conversion of of your ten quid for 43 miles into Australian numbers. Starts with 25.4P/mile=16P/Km. then apply AUD1.90=GBP1.0 =29aussie cents/km. Current cost of diesel here is $2.30/L gives12.5 L/100 km. I run a 4.5t ton truck towing a 3 ton caravan for around 19L/100Km. Your electric buz box will not achieve anywhere near that if it could tow the van, and its not real cheap when it is not trying to tow a van!!
The only way you can charge at home is if you live in a semi or detached house with a driveway....Think about it there's no way you could change if you lived in a flat or terraced house, you would need private parking.
I live in a terrace house with private parking and a EV with car charger with no issues. But if not don't get an EV the ban won't happen as it's totally impractical.
I've wondered why someone doesn't make a suitcase sized portable battery that you can charge in the flat, wheel out to the car, plonk in the boot and charge it up that way (assuming they add an internal charging socket or something to the vehicle).
Wait till the government tell you how much charge you can have, and where you can go!!! And they will charge you a different kWh price to charge a car as apposed to running your tubble dryer! Thats what smart meters are all about, they know what is using the juice, and the price will vary by usage!
Mr Macmaster you need to get rid of that pile of scrap or you are going to end up in a psychiatric unit there are plenty of nice petrol and diesel cars out there waiting for a new owner and that new owner is you save yourself anymore stress and do it now.
Some very established industry journalists and publications have demonstrated the short comings and inconvenience of owning an ev time and again. I have a Kia e niro and the whole public charging situation is a joke The ionity chargers in Leeds have had people fighting over them! Use them weekly myself
The problem is not so much the shortage but the layout. When you come into a garage forecourt you queue in line but at an ev station there is no queue so there is no idea who was first. Only seen it happen once, no fight just annoyance. It's the only one of three EV experiences that annoys me as layout would solve it.
Sadly journalists and publications rely on clicks and at present anti EV stories get the clicks now brexit is out of the way. Examples Sun, EV fire at Luton burns down car park, brand new EV wrecked by flood, although the car was a 2015 Megane.
230 EV total loss fires in The past calendar year for less than 1 million cars. But if the ice figures were as costly the insurance premiums would be higher on ice. My Z4 is a tenth of the price that it will cost Lee to insure his Taycan £210 for me £3200 for Lee.
Thanks for sharing man! and being Honest.....I will stick with my ol Chevy,s here in East Tn. will working on the new ones for a living......LONG live Gas!
I’m not an EV supporter! Too much time is aster waiting to charge, charging etc. go to a petrol station fill up, pay, go. Normally less than 5 mins. I cannot see that with EVs. Keep it going The macMaster.
I had a 2022 self charging front wheel drive SUV hybrid, petrol. It was fabulous to travel in super fast but it wasn’t up to handling rural roads and as I found out, definitely not for driving through flooded roads I encounter. I traded it in for a 2023 4x4 diesel Ute and have no regrets. I get a better bang for my buck with the Ute, it’s also a work horse. It keeps my driving honest and I feel safer. Yes they been putting bike lanes in here in NZ. The presence of E-bikes are on the increase here at ridiculous prices. And yes I seen them traveling faster than cars around town and hurtling along walkways used by pedestrians. It’s absurd. Seeing your videos is given me a good look into the pros and cons of whats happening in your part of the world. We are in early days here in NZ and the way I see it our infrastructure is not prepared. People need the facts and education with owning these forms of transport. Safety aspects such as risk of battery fires. Anyway enough said thanks for sharing your experiences. Oh by the way I’m female 😂
Well, Lee, I did have my notepad and pen, and I hung onto your every word! I even read the transcript, and can reliably rEVeal the cost of your charging journey... Let me begin by saying I am an EV owner (10yrs) BUT I am also a Geoff Buys Cars petrol Jaagg owner... so a balanced viewpoint... SO, the results based on listening to your commentary: TOTAL Cost to charge - £37.63 TOTAL Charge - 56.4kW ESTIMATED Range (Based on Taycan Average economy (internet source) - 2.4miles/kW)* - 135.36 miles You already had 43miles (19%) range, so my TOTAL estimated range is 178.36 miles* *YOU may drive with better economy than 2.4miles/kW You mentioned in the epilogue that you had 85% battery remaining and 204 miles of range. So, the difference between my estimate and your car readout is 25.6miles... but hang on a minute! That includes the 43 miles existing range you started the test with... So, for fairness, take the original 43 miles from your 204 mile range. This leaves you with 161 miles, a 25.64 mile difference between my estimate and your car read-out. AT £1.56 PPL for basic petrol prices (Oct23), the £37.63 spent on electric would buy you 24.12 litres of unleaded (5.3 UK gallons). A Porsche Boxter S manual does 34.9mpg according to the internet, giving you a 185 mile range, 24 miles more than the Taycan. (But would you need Super Unleaded? @ £1.69 PPL, £37.63 would get you 22.27 litres, 4.9 gallons, 171 miles, 10 miles more than the Taycan) ONE caveat - TIME - Your time spent actually charging was 45 mins but this does not represent the full picture.... you need to add the following - TIME to wait in line to charge; TIME to park/plug in/and initialise the machine; TIME to unplug and pack-up; and TIME to re-join the carriageway for your FOUR charge sessions - the Boxter would be 7/8mins to fuel ONCE. *IF you had better economy at 3.2miles/kW, (EV gold for mixed driving), your range would be 180 miles... much closer to the Boxter but you would have to drive like your gran to achieve it. (EV 'angellists - these are estimated figures based on ZAP map prices, AA/RAC fuel prices) Kindest Regards, Rogernews71
With all these 20mph speed limits, EV owners can take up DEVLIVERING MILK as a hobby? EVs should come with a FIRE-LADDER as standard equipment (to get out your upstairs bedroom when the EV thermal runaway 'feature' kicks in). 😂😂 #ICENotPoweredByCoal
Mate, love your vids, and I live in Perth, west Coast Aus. There is no way, that electric cars will work in Aus, especially in WA. You leave the most isolated city in the world, and for example, head north. Next biggest town, Geraldton, 4 n a bit hours away, and think 4 charging places along the way, now that Geraldton. I guess you guys may of heard of Broome, again for example, major tourist spot, just a casual, 2045 kms away, 22 hours, but INLAND, the quick way. No charging stations, or maybe 1. So hey , as long as you don’t want to go anywhere in Perth, I guess, get one. OTHERWISE?😊
@@davedevonlad7402 10 minutes would have filled my tank yesterday i arrived at a pay at pump and put £15 in and was out and gone in 6 minutes which gave me 1/2 a tank
why compare a diesel transit with a Porsche? Makes zero sense.. Mind you I guess you driving a taxi means you'll never get a Porsche so I guess you don't have a choice ! 😂
I watched the high peak autos road trip where Matt was charged £60 for electricity which gave him 200 miles range At current petrol prices that would work out at 21/22 MPG My diesel on the same trip would do 60mpg and cost me £23 for the same distance Madness
@@mikebreen2890 If you watch the video you’ll see he tried to charge at other places first, but they were either busy, out of order or wouldn’t take payment Cobham services was his last resort Of course if he’d been in a diesel Audi he’d have got there and back without having to refuel Most of us want a technology that is effective, efficient and economical which EV’s are not
@@Anonymous-ib8so Except charging at expensive motorway chargers is not the norm. Now, want to compare with my cheap night rate electricity or my neighbours solar panels?
Honesty is always a positive. It's not you being negative, it's this incessant need for the corporate world to milk every penny from every person that they can from the 'climate', and some people just won't be suckered. Up to 2020 I was excited by the prospect of getting modern EV's, but research since, plus so many horror stories across media, means that although some manufacturers knew what they were doing, many others literally through these cars together, using existing platforms that were never designed to carry electric motors. Couple that with our country simply not prepared with the available infrastructure to have such large numbers of EV drivers on the roads, and like most things these days, it's shoddy, whilst some fill their pockets. UK motorists has been exploited for so many years.
The horror stories in the press are paid for by Big Oil using the exact same thing that the tobacco industry did decades ago. Sow doubt and disinformation every day!
Never could understand why those chargers aren't under some sort of cover for protection from the weather. In the states where you can get 3-5 feet of snow, at least a cover may help and of course when it is raining.
The whole point of owning my car is to travel across the country at weekends to see friends and relatives with speed and convenience. If I wanted to wait around, waste money, and reduce my emissions, I'd take the train not buy an EV. Life is too short to waste time at EV charging stations and fight over who is next with other drivers.
This is outrageous, 40 miles of charge for £10? My car, a 2.2l peugeot 407 sw gt does 47 miles per gallon of diesel, is well looked after and serviced regularly 08 plate is still worth 2k.and it's beautiful.
Wonder if an inextinguishable EV battery fire may be behind Luton Airport carpark going up? Surely there will be footage from the numerous live surveillance security cameras recording the circumstances under which the fire started..
Sorry to disappoint you but apparently not... 'He (the chief fire officer) added the fire likely started in a diesel car, before spreading to nearby vehicles. "We don't believe it was an electric vehicle," he said
but it does surely raise the question of how would an EV battery fire be dealt with in such a scenario? *edit. Even though there was no sprinkler system at Luton, you can't extinguish an EV battery..
Working on the only charger which gave you 'miles per charge' (43 mls @ £10.10p), I could get well over 80 miles on the equivellent cost of diesel. I'll stick with my trusty Merc diesel thanks👍👍
I remember a time when drivers were critical of their cars and nobody got upset. In fact they often agreed. When something wasn't up to snuff or started costing the owner they soon said - and were not shouted down. Why are people so defensive recently?
Interesting vlog
Here are my results and the results are very interesting with Ionity and home being the cheapest and greatest mpg based on diesel prices. Hope the formatting looks ok.
Charger £ KW p/kwh miles mpg eq
Insta 10.10 13.4752 75 42 30.13
Ionity 5.18 17.28 30 53.74 75.16
porsce 7.21 13.31 54 41.39 41.59
Grid 15.14 21.95 69 68.26 32.66
Home 7.245 27.865 26 86.66 86.66
So electric can be cheaper than petrol/diesel if you charge wisely as there are not many cars that would get over 75 mpg unless its a hybrid.
Great Vlog 👍
Brilliant. Formatting is perfect too.
But hybrids are only economic around town up to 30mph, (twenty mph in Wales). Petrol engine kicks on the open road, and averages about 36mpg overall. If that fire at Luton airport started with an ev (or possibly hybrid Range Rover) the future ev market may nosedive. Vauxhall workers at Ellesmere Port will feel the pinch.
@@davidk3729 I have a hybrid Ioniq, the battery still kicks in and out at 70mph - it routinely gets 60mpg+ on a long motorway journey. Actually to be honest it's often a bit better than city driving, I think I'm a bit heavy footed! Assume you have a different experience with yours?
@@davidk3729 not true mate. My RAV4 Hybrid does 5.0 L / 100 around town and 5.2 L / 100 on the Highway.
There is no point in comparing charging costs unless you are comparing like for like vehicles.
The closest comparable vehicle to a Porsche Taycan is the Panamera, which costs approx 26p per mile at average UK petrol price and more at motorway services prices.
As the Taycan can average 3.5 miles to the kWh in the real world, you would have to pay 91p a kWh at the charger to be more expensive than the Panamera.
I was told the electricity comes free from the Electricity Pixie. And the minerals and metals are mined and smelted using Fairy Dust... And the car itself is made channeling the energy of Happy Thoughts. 😜🤪😝🤪😜
At least 50 percent of UK electricity is renewable now. Most of the materials for batteries are recyclable and if you have issues with CARS being built, stop driving one. What part of the thousands of gallons of oil that you burn is recyclable and while my car gets cleaner every year, your car gets dirtier?
It's 100% true
I think if someone's been mugged into buying an ev abuse is the easiest way to hide their embarrassment .😂
It's very rare we get 50% electric from renewables, the majority of the time it's less than 20%. National grid say around 35% then it also gets topped up with nuclear. That's how the government twist the statistics to make it look like over 50% they don't class nuclear as fossil fuels so they sneak it in with renewable figures to try to make it look better than it is. It's a load of bullshit with manipulated data. If EV's were good enough they wouldn't have to ban petrol and diesel cars. If they were good enough they wouldn't need to force people into them.
Obviously😂
The evangelists are just salty because they know they’ve been scammed and just can’t admit it….
Not as salty as MacMaster though eh ! - lol
And now insurance companies have started to refuse to insure them ,ferry companies won’t have them on board the list goes on and on they’re a liability.
My flats won't let you park them in the underground carpark due to not being able to insure against fire
Hysterical nonsense based on misinformation and scaremongering pushed by the oil lobby.
I recently got a quote online for a Tesla Model 3, and numerous insurers offered me policies with no added restrictions because it was electric. The same goes for house insurance.
There may be one or two outliers that don't, as there may be one or two ferry companies overreacting, but when you consider there are already numerous ferries using battery electric drive trains regularly used by EV owners, it's another false narrative.
BEVs are far less likely to catch fire than ICEVs, and much publicised large car fires have been found not to have been caused by EVs, despite much speculation to the opposite.
An expected 10 million BEVs and a further 4 million PHEVs will be sold this year, and millions of those will be shipped around the world on car carriers, yet the international union of marine insurers do not consider there is an additional risk. If they are not worried, why should you be?
Did the compare.
I converted everything to Australian Dollar and KM as I am in Australia.
EV Mileage Prenium most expensive Petrol for my sports hatch
$19.07 69.2KM $7.61
$9.78 86.48KM $9.51
$13.62 66.61KM $7.32
$28.60 109.85KM $12.08
$13.67 139.46KM $15.34
Most cases petrol cost approx half the cost of EV
The only time petrol cost slightly more is in the last one Home Charging and only slightly so basically hardly any difference.
What a complete disgrace EV. They should be banned from production and the CORRUPTION SHOULD STOP.
I will NEVER EVER in my life own and EV or even an Automatic Car. A Manual transmission car is the only real car that keeps you alert and keeps your driving skills the way the should be.
Thank You MacMaster for making us all aware of the complete BULLSHIT in the EV industry
Its not bullshit, its a well orchestrated scam and grift. Even battery production worth 5 years of driving petrol pollution. Nobody asks about battery recycling issue, it will come up for sure and likely will add to a cost of a new vehicle too, increasing the lost value for the first owner. And then average grid electro production creates more pollution per mile than a petrol car. Those coal and gas firing plant don’t have the catalytic converters.
You made some calculation errors. Remember, you need to compare apples to apples with the cars. He's driving a Porsche EV so the ICE equivalent would be the 911 turbo which averages 27km/gal (combined city/hwy) or 7km/litre. To go 70 km the 911 would need 10 litres at $3.4AUD/litre or $34AUD, so $15 cheaper for the same distance in the EV at the most expensive charger. I think you used the price for premium petrol in Australia instead of using the cost in the UK (1.8 pounds/litre in the UK or $3.4 AUD/L)
@@raa729 No, the CO2 emissions from building an EV (including the battery) takes 12-15 months of driving to break even. After that it depends on the source of the electricity as to what the actual CO2 generation is (and fossil fuel electric plants produce less CO2 than the equivalent amount of energy used in an ICE car). BTW, power plants have CO2 scrubbers which significantly reduce CO2 output. As for battery recycling the batteries are broken down to the basic components and the metals are reused to make new batteries. However just because the battery is no longer suitable for a car doesn't mean it doesn't have other uses. Old batteries are reconditioned and put back into cars. Partially depleted batteries are often used in fork lifts (remember, the batteries are made up of modules), robots, storage batteries for solar homes (a battery not suitable for the car can still proved 50kWh or more which is enough to power a house for several days). So sorry to burst another false bubble for you.
So, you spent all day putting £50 of energy into your milk float adding just 160 miles to your range. (Excluding mileage done between charge points). You were fortunate it was a fine day. Do the same on a wet day, a windy day, a freezing day (that is, a more typical UK day). The only heat will be from the frayed tempers, frustrated arm flaying and foot stomping. On top of that, you're inevitably going to expand your waist with all those sugary snacks and carb loaded drinks. I think we've all got more important or life affirming things to do than minister vast amounts of time and energy to keep a means of transport - supposedly there to make life easier - on the road.
Thats v8 fuel prices
My 18 month opinion on vw I'd 4
1. Stated range is a over estimated gestimate- stated range 240 - in summer over 25 degrees you get this - November to March same full charge 180 miles.
2. Turn on heater rear windscreen and wipers and full charge in winter 120 miles.
3. Range anxiety - big draw back
4. Finding some were to charge - got about 6 apps on phone.
I will be buying a plug in hybrid next - I've had 4 hybrids before - far superior, if it was not a company car I honestly would not buy a new one. They are ideal as a second small car ie less than 30 miles around town and cities with zones.
Batteries degenerate with every charge cycle. Therefore the cost per mile will continually creep up as the car ages. An old diesel will still do between 60 to 70 mph when it is 10 years old whereas an electric cars range will plummet.
YOU MEAN MPG?
I had a Nissan Ariya on order after your video where your insurance quote was£3500!! I checked the insurance cost of the Ariya. The insurance quote was extortionate. I have cancelled the car and car charger installation. I’m gonna stick to ice cars.
High peak autos is on your wavelength 😊
@@tommytinkler1708 erm that's not the same as 3.5k really.
I’ve got an Ariya it’s a great car, some owners have had lots of issues with theirs but mine so far has been faultless. Best car I’ve ever not owned (Motabilty) lease.
@@tommytinkler1708bit of a difference between a £100 annual increase and a £2800 annual increase. If ordinary people weren't already priced out of electric cars, they will be now.
The fact for needing an 'app' to charge opposes me.
The fact every charger needs another app is just totally insane!
Octopus Energy have an App for the all of the Apps, allowing, in their words, 100's of chargers accessible with one app. It's called Eletroverse.
Imagine if petrol and deisel where the new technology claiming 30% cheaper purchase price , triple the range, 5 minute top up anywhere, holds its value better, etc it would be an easy sell !! You wouldn't need a mandate to sell them.
Plus you wouldn't need to replace the engine and transmission every 8-10 years.
You know if EV makers are offering an 8 year warranty they will be toast after ten years, warranties always run out before they are desperately needed.
@@rbnhd1144 I have a hybrid and it's 11 years old. The batteries are rated at 89% good. BYD rate their batteries for 500,00 KM still so this "the batteries need to be replaced" is a nonsense.
@@rbnhd1144 I must have been lucky with my MX5, it came with a 3 year warranty and I kept it for 8 years!
MacMaster a question for you: If you charge up an EV, how long do they keep their charge? Because if I filled up my petrol car with 55Litres, but not use it for a month, I still have 55Litres in my tank. But do EVs immediately start to lose their charge if not used???
I imagine so like most batteries. Especially in cold conditions.
No. No issue unless someone has things like sentry mode enabled, keeps checking security cameras or has an app that keeps waking the car.
@@djtaylorutube All batteries go flat over time.
Batteries invariably run out, used or not.
Batteries for cordless tools will lose charge when they are in the tool doing no work . I've found DeWalt are the worst for this issue...
Lee I rekon your milk float deprecated £500 while making this video, I feel your pain pal...ill never buy one thanks for the heads up.
take away the fire risk, the increased tyre wear and brake system - EV's do NOT have the charging infrastructure and, more importantly, the country is incapable of providing a fully EV moving population. oh, and the fact that, if you have an EV, you wont be able to insure your house, and the insurance for the car itself will be astronomical!
Apart from all that Sue, what have the romans ever done for us lol
Sorry it’s a Monty python reference
Great points though
Leave it parked at work 😮
Brake system? What's that about?
This electric car job has got to be the biggest con of the century, I was born with petrol, and will die with petrol, carry on the good work, Phil.
Fuel costs for my diesel to do 300miles: £38.50 and 3mins fuel up time. Approx. 12.9p/mile. 12k miles: £1,500. I’m happy with this and have no anxiety, worry-free about finding charging bays and only 20 full tank visits in one year.
You don’t care about the diesel emissions, then?
£6.75 cost to do 300 miles, zero time to fuel up.
I GOT PAID 34p to charge my citroën Ami with 46 miles of range.
@@DiscoDesW I got paid 34p to charge my citroën Ami last night, admittedly only 46 miles of range, but cheaper than free.
great, you can circle jerk with him@@ziggarillo
43miles for 10 pound .my 1.6
Diesel does about 80 to 100miles on that
Hi Lee,
to get an accurate comparison, try the old fashioned way.
First thing you need to do is find out exactly how many miles you get per Kwh.
The only accurate way to do this, is to fill to the brim i.e.100%, (just as you would in a petrol/diesel car). Zero your trip meter and when you next charge, again to 100% take a note of many miles you travelled and how many Kwh it took to charge to 100%.
Zero the trip and repeat the process again and again to get anything like an accurate average, over a variety of driving conditions.
Do not rely on manufactures' data or on-board computers.
My boss drives a Tesla. You've really opened my eyes to what kind of person he really is 😃
Your comment "All Tesla drivers are swingers" has just made my day!
Do you think Viagra was invented for Tesla drivers.
Why do you think a Tesla has an interior camera and dogging mode? Live streaming of course! 😅
If you live in flats forget home charging.
Then don't buy an electric car, contrary to what the government tells us petrol will not disappear as getting rid of them won't obviously work.
@Lookup2WakeupI'm sure not one would vandalise the cord.
Why is that. because before you posted a comment that makes you look like a stupid idiot. You would have been aware of the government grants that cover the cost to install charging points for flats
Oh no...... I have the wrong hole in my car for that diesel pump at the garage...... said no-one....never...ever
Lee, that fire at Luton airport has just taken another 10% off the value of your milk float.
Doh!
It was a DEISIEL
If I put £10 of petrol in my car I can get around 90 miles out of the amount. Plus my insurance doesnt cost thousands of pounds, and the MOT casts £42 a year oh and my car is ULEZ compliant too. And dont forget, driving an EV makes you feel absolutely SUPERIOR !!!!
Dunno, I feel superior filling 85l of 100 octane int my v8 biturbo laughing at scrooges in EVs who will end up paying more anyway while having a bad experience along the way
Sorry Boss I had to charge my car that’s why I’m 3hrs late ..😂😅😂😢😮
As an EV owner, my experience using public fast chargers matches your own, utter frustration in a lot of cases. The problem is they are all “unmanned” and have multiple components from different vendors( eg the contactless reader ) uptime is not great, and they seem to take days to repair… gotta say, using Tesla supercharger, I’ve yet to find one that didn’t work perfectly- the difference here, every part of the charger, transformers etc all made and supported by a single supplier…We need to get our act together if we want EVs to work..
Hi Lee. I just watched “Highpeak Auto” on TH-cam. He borrowed a Audi Etron for a road trip. To summarise 1) public charging network is rubbish 2) car is to expensive (99k) and 3) depreciation is horrendous
I prefer cash, and I don't have, or want, a smartphone.
I have a lovely Audi A6 Biturbo diesel. Once a month I fill it with 70litres. Takes five, minutes and costs $150.
So the cost of a coffee per day.
I have tons of power, very economical and no range anxiety. Not likely to burn the building down either 😅. Haha
My wife and I are elderly(Senior Citizens?) and from what we have seen of public chargers we would get wet and cold trying to use an E.V. using the equipment currently installed in most locations.
You have balls bro to take on the EV community! Good content.
I seen 3 people arguing and getting a bit heated at a service station bit of pushing going on and 2 police officers spotted it at the services and started walking over. So I shouted out my window behave yourself or all you 3 will be charged before your car is
ha ha please say that is true and not a joke!
@suecharnock9369 was in works van it is true 👍
Audi A6 2.0 diesel, £75 to get 540 miles, I’ll stick with this thanks 👍👍
Well done.
I get 3750 miles in my EV for £75.
@@deansh8506😂😂😂😂😂
@@deansh8506 don’t confuse him. I claimed I got an equivalent 318mpg charging at home with my EV and some sceptic asked for the maths. I gave him it, and never heard anything back.
I totally agree with your distopian vision of our future Lee ,keep the faith!
I just sold my EV after 18 months of ownership.
Agree with all these points. EV ownership is a pain in the ar*e. Don't do it!
Plus I lost a LOT (5 figures) when selling the car. The value plummets.
Here , At present ev are being charged 2.5 to 3cents per klm travelled as this is to replace duty from petrol/ diesel which is approximately 45 cents per litre , it may well be higher now .Point being this ev tax will only rise as government will not like seeing their windfall tax on motorists being lost , EV cheaper than ice ? Trust any government not to raise this ev tax ? Not going to happen. Good honest review.🇦🇺👍
Perhaps the trolls are just embarrassed by their purchase and trying to justify their wrong choice of mode of transport.
And also in order to preserve the EV's residual value - they have to praise them as much as possible so they can get as much as they can for their "Lemon" of a car.
TH-cam channel High Peak autos did an Audi e-tron test and he had major issues getting on to chargers be they full or simply not working!
Good channel
10£ diesel gives me about 120 miles and takes about 15 to 20 seconds to pump.
£10 of electricity takes me about 8.5 seconds and gets me 433 miles.
@@crumbschief5628- I'm a Tesla fan boy but that comment is just daft.
@@adamcarter699 So here's the maths:
3.7 miles per kWh
4.5 hours/night off peak @ 7.5p kWh
11kwh home charger
£10 / £0.075 = 133kwh of charging.
133kwh / 11kw = 12 hours charging
Button on dash to open charging port
Distance between charging port and charger is 18 inches
Takes me about 2.5 seconds to... Oh sorry typo.. 3 charges at 2.5 seconds is 7.5 seconds, but I also have to unplug 3 times.. that's 15 seconds... Standing around not 8.5 seconds really sorry but I do a lot of miles and love how much time the EV saves me.
People forget that the current fuel duty that all ICE vehicle drivers pay WILL have to be recovered by EV users at some point in the future. Using an EV is 'cheap' now but the future looks bleak. Road mileage charging here we come!
Some places in the United States are raising registration fees to make up for lost revenue from EVs:
m.th-cam.com/video/0mKkCdfGXsc/w-d-xo.html
i think the VED introduction next year will have ev owners crying
@@vandamonium1731 Not at all, it's not unreasonable and has been expected for some time.
@@mikebreen2890 oh look its the man whos never owned an ev! back to troll me again? if the first year ved is based on vehicle value and the second year it resumes normal service that will still make my road tax cheaper on my hybrid than an electric vehicle as mine has a c02 rating so my car is £0 and the all electrics will be £180 .... i think that fair to be honest considering they damage the road more than my car 🤣
A well known car vlogger recently did a road trip in an EV North to South and at one point during the vlog he managed a charge that cost him £60 for 200 miles.
So that'd work out at £240.00 for 800 miles in a milk float compared to £85 for the same mileage in my dirty diesel.
Cheaper to charge at home but I can't tow my house behind me 🤣
BMW reinventing the motor car , does this mean they'll now get indicators ?
You can preach my friend but I fear this new generation have already been brainwashed 😡
😂😂😂
They’ve been hypnotised 😵💫
My husband works for bmw and his garage no longer take any electric cars on px! He get loads of people trying to offload their Tesla’s etc and they walk away in tears at the sheer amount of money they’ve lost since buying the ev 😂😂
Please tell me sir, WHY is it called a, 'milk float'?
Thank You and regards.
@@tpv59 Google 60's electric milk floats , it's only taken them 60 years to turn them into a car 🤣
I’ll keep my diesel car I think 👍👌😂😃🚗
Me too
I must be in the dark ages. What’s all this EV jargon oh I get it Exploding Vehical
Externally Combustible Vehicle
Like the DEISIEL at Luton airport then 😂
I was impressed by the BMW guy, he talked a lot of sense. It should be about choice, evs work for some people but not all. We should have a choice, not be told by politicians and bureaucrats what we must drive.
I actually see an opportunity here for bringing back “Coaching Inn’s” we had these a hundred years ago so you could rest and recharge your horses overnight for the next leg of your journey and you could keep dry and warm in them 😂
As a disabled person seeing you struggling with the cables and having to move to another charger because one didn't work, confirms to me that EV 's are not for me.
74 pence per KWH what a rip off. when my home electricity is 29.35 pence per KWH with Scottish power. that's a rip off Iv'e got 23 solar panels fitted at home and in the summer the meter runs backwards. they now want me to send them pictures of both gas and electric meter readings as they think i'm bullshitting them about the readings. spot on lee. cheers.
When you come to renew your home insurance they now ask if you have an EV and do you charge at home, result more expensive insurance.
Thoroughly enjoy your take on EV's and loved all the recent Benelmadena videos. It's definitely a place I would live to go back to. With all the gloomy news, your videos are a real tonic.
The one expense that EV promoters NEVER discuss is Time. Time is money. How much is your time worth? A gasoline car takes a VERY short amount of time to fill the tank. Whereas the EV takes literal hours. Thats time out of your day that could have been used for something more productive.
I am in a band, I've just driven up to Newcastle on Tyne from Derby, but I had to a wait for a band member to come to me from the south, then pick up 2 members in Sheffield so making a round trip of 374 miles at a cost of £80 in diesel plus we had to have one short stop for lunch each way. Not bad for a 2011 Renault Trafic with 5 people and group gear. Bands do not have the time to waste spending valuable travelling time charging EVs. Tours don't always mean travelling short distances between gigs, the worst was Ilfracombe to Bolton for the next day's gig!!! It took over 6 hours with queues on M5 and M6. For us EVs are not viable just on time alone.
Almost every major problem I've had with cars is with the electronics (and finding a mechanic who know how to handle them!). I can't imagine what it would be like if my car was fully electric.
One of your best Vlogs Lee, and you are totally entitled to your opinion so b*llox to the haters
dude , just take the loss and sell that POS , get a normal car
Matt at High Peak Autos posted a video yesterday, going on a 280 mile road trip in an Audi E-tron with an estimated range of 300 miles. On the way down he had to re-charge when he got to 9%. It cost £60 to fully charge and he got 200 miles out of it.... Pretty sure I used to get more than 200 miles from £60 in my 2005 3.0d X5.
That would be really bad if we all used high priced rapid chargers on motorways all the time, but we don't.
Costs me less than £8 to charge my nitro from home and does 260 miles in real world. In a petrol would cost about £25 to get 260 miles. So I'm finding electric cars alot cheaper
i fail to see the relevance of you charging at home compared to somebody on a road trip and having to recharge.
and if you need to charge on a road trip? do you use a rapid charge of wait hours?
@@TrevM0nkeyDepends. I can wait hours when the charger is at my destination. If a rapid, the car is generally ready before I am.
Let's hope the Luton airport car park fire wasn't started by an EV or else on top of high insurance costs, expensive charging points, massive depreciation they will be banned from car parks too.
It was a DEISIEL
Regardless of what vehicle started the fire, having EVs in the mix greatly accelerates the fire's uncontrollable propagation. Legislation needs to get ahead of that before the percentage of EVs turns every car park fire into a massive unmitigated disaster by how quickly battery fires can spread from one pack to the next or burn their way through the floor into the next level down. No matter what burnt first, parking garages need stronger sprinkler systems to prevent damage to structures by intense battery fires, cut down the heat to surroundings, tack down some of the toxic fumes and add more spacing between vehicles to slow down propagation.
Who has the time to mess around like this , waiting for a charger then waiting for the charge!! They are a waste of working time .
Insurance will be the death of EVs.
ever since they came out evs have never been an economical choice as a private vehicle, but as a company vehicle you can write off a lot of the cost
Absolute nonsense, I have an MG5 that you could obtain for about £16,000 and is a highly practical and dirt cheap to run car. A ExciTe version with a few miles could be £13,000.
An EV is by far the best choice but only if you have your own driveway, my weekly mileage is around 200miles, that costs £3.50 using my octopus EV tariff, plus the car is always the perfect temperature & fully defrosted in winter when I get in it, also get over the air software updates & my only service is topping up the windscreen washers.
@@evostu7814 Some people have other options such as charging at work, that's going to become far more common to the point of being expected. Basically, chargers where people park. Yup, you don't need to sell an EV to me, I was converted years ago. Speaking of windscreen washer top up - I knew there was something I needed to do, ta!
Right!
Electric cars are brilliant if you like spending most of your life at charging stations, or motorway service areas. living on a diet of coffee/ coke and snacks. which means you are probably unemployed, and if in work will soon be unemployed by the time you have wasted at charging points. EV's are certainly not the future no matter how much you dress them up.
Lee, Last night there was a big fire at Luton Airport car park. Nobody knows the cause yet but everyone will say EV's caused it. Perhaps we are better off without them after all. I started a thread on a popular web forum and that got locked, that is censorship IMHO. I'm sticking with my EV for now but perhaps my next car will be a petrol model as I'm not happy at the moment.
I want out mine. These things are a danger in my opinion. I won't even let my kids in mine. I use Sarahs Diesel.
Just did a conversion of of your ten quid for 43 miles into Australian numbers.
Starts with 25.4P/mile=16P/Km. then apply AUD1.90=GBP1.0 =29aussie cents/km. Current cost of diesel here is $2.30/L gives12.5 L/100 km.
I run a 4.5t ton truck towing a 3 ton caravan for around 19L/100Km. Your electric buz box will not achieve anywhere near that if it could tow the van, and its not real cheap when it is not trying to tow a van!!
I'll stick with my td5 defender
The only way you can charge at home is if you live in a semi or detached house with a driveway....Think about it there's no way you could change if you lived in a flat or terraced house, you would need private parking.
I live in a terrace house with private parking and a EV with car charger with no issues.
But if not don't get an EV the ban won't happen as it's totally impractical.
I've wondered why someone doesn't make a suitcase sized portable battery that you can charge in the flat, wheel out to the car, plonk in the boot and charge it up that way (assuming they add an internal charging socket or something to the vehicle).
Wouldn’t have one, even if it came free with a box of cornflakes
Never tried one I bet
Wait till the government tell you how much charge you can have, and where you can go!!! And they will charge you a different kWh price to charge a car as apposed to running your tubble dryer!
Thats what smart meters are all about, they know what is using the juice, and the price will vary by usage!
That kinda happened in California, they slowed down the power available leaving people in the lurch.
Mr Macmaster you need to get rid of that pile of scrap or you are going to end up in a psychiatric unit there are plenty of nice petrol and diesel cars out there waiting for a new owner and that new owner is you save yourself anymore stress and do it now.
The UK Edwardian electricity infrastructure cannot cope with existing needs let alone car chargers in every street
Is there no consumer protection law in UK ? Not showing the price you will pay on the charger's screen is a joke.
Mac if I was in your situation, I would 100% invest in a Thermos Flask for your Coffee. You'll save £100's of pounds a year ! 👌👍
Wow that’s really sold me on never going to get a electric car just planning a long journey around charging my vehicle great video thanks 🙏
Just get a trailer with a diesel generator on. Then you can charge the battery while you drive - no problems!
@EnriqueThiele Go on, tell us... do you actually have an EV? methinks nay....
If it's an idea from the UK Govt . . . It's probably a crap idea! Let's see. Subscribed.
Some very established industry journalists and publications have demonstrated the short comings and inconvenience of owning an ev time and again. I have a Kia e niro and the whole public charging situation is a joke The ionity chargers in Leeds have had people fighting over them! Use them weekly myself
The problem is not so much the shortage but the layout. When you come into a garage forecourt you queue in line but at an ev station there is no queue so there is no idea who was first. Only seen it happen once, no fight just annoyance. It's the only one of three EV experiences that annoys me as layout would solve it.
Sadly journalists and publications rely on clicks and at present anti EV stories get the clicks now brexit is out of the way. Examples Sun, EV fire at Luton burns down car park, brand new EV wrecked by flood, although the car was a 2015 Megane.
EV=Exploding vehicle
LMAO you are ridiculous!!!!!! Well if you don't like them don't get one, period.
Your ICE is at least 20 times more likely to catch fire, you sucker.
There a ticking time bomb !!
230 EV total loss fires in The past calendar year for less than 1 million cars. But if the ice figures were as costly the insurance premiums would be higher on ice. My Z4 is a tenth of the price that it will cost Lee to insure his Taycan £210 for me £3200 for Lee.
Silly sausage
My time is worth more than the charge wait+the cost.
Time to exit the totalitarian state of King and Klaus .
Thanks for sharing man! and being Honest.....I will stick with my ol Chevy,s here in East Tn. will working on the new ones for a living......LONG live Gas!
I’m not an EV supporter! Too much time is aster waiting to charge, charging etc. go to a petrol station fill up, pay, go. Normally less than 5 mins. I cannot see that with EVs. Keep it going The macMaster.
Will it work? Might it not work? How much might I be charged? I've never had any of those concerns, whilst filling up with petrol.
Get rid of that mad car get a ice one and pay the mortgage off simples and credit cards
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. ICE isn't remotely broke, but EV still isn't working.
Nonesense!
@@AlanWilliams-su4bs Sez who?
I had a 2022 self charging front wheel drive SUV hybrid, petrol. It was fabulous to travel in super fast but it wasn’t up to handling rural roads and as I found out, definitely not for driving through flooded roads I encounter. I traded it in for a 2023 4x4 diesel Ute and have no regrets. I get a better bang for my buck with the Ute, it’s also a work horse. It keeps my driving honest and I feel safer. Yes they been putting bike lanes in here in NZ. The presence of E-bikes are on the increase here at ridiculous prices. And yes I seen them traveling faster than cars around town and hurtling along walkways used by pedestrians. It’s absurd. Seeing your videos is given me a good look into the pros and cons of whats happening in your part of the world. We are in early days here in NZ and the way I see it our infrastructure is not prepared. People need the facts and education with owning these forms of transport. Safety aspects such as risk of battery fires. Anyway enough said thanks for sharing your experiences. Oh by the way I’m female 😂
Well, Lee, I did have my notepad and pen, and I hung onto your every word!
I even read the transcript, and can reliably rEVeal the cost of your charging journey...
Let me begin by saying I am an EV owner (10yrs) BUT I am also a Geoff Buys Cars petrol Jaagg owner... so a balanced viewpoint...
SO, the results based on listening to your commentary:
TOTAL Cost to charge - £37.63
TOTAL Charge - 56.4kW
ESTIMATED Range (Based on Taycan Average economy (internet source) - 2.4miles/kW)* - 135.36 miles
You already had 43miles (19%) range, so my TOTAL estimated range is 178.36 miles*
*YOU may drive with better economy than 2.4miles/kW
You mentioned in the epilogue that you had 85% battery remaining and 204 miles of range.
So, the difference between my estimate and your car readout is 25.6miles... but hang on a minute!
That includes the 43 miles existing range you started the test with... So, for fairness, take the original 43 miles from your 204 mile range.
This leaves you with 161 miles, a 25.64 mile difference between my estimate and your car read-out.
AT £1.56 PPL for basic petrol prices (Oct23), the £37.63 spent on electric would buy you 24.12 litres of unleaded (5.3 UK gallons).
A Porsche Boxter S manual does 34.9mpg according to the internet, giving you a 185 mile range, 24 miles more than the Taycan.
(But would you need Super Unleaded? @ £1.69 PPL, £37.63 would get you 22.27 litres, 4.9 gallons, 171 miles, 10 miles more than the Taycan)
ONE caveat - TIME - Your time spent actually charging was 45 mins but this does not represent the full picture.... you need to add the following - TIME to wait in line to charge; TIME to park/plug in/and initialise the machine; TIME to unplug and pack-up; and TIME to re-join the carriageway for your FOUR charge sessions - the Boxter would be 7/8mins to fuel ONCE.
*IF you had better economy at 3.2miles/kW, (EV gold for mixed driving), your range would be 180 miles... much closer to the Boxter but you would have to drive like your gran to achieve it.
(EV 'angellists - these are estimated figures based on ZAP map prices, AA/RAC fuel prices)
Kindest Regards,
Rogernews71
EV drivers are swingers?
You've just sold me on getting an EV. 😂
Only Tesla are swingers
With all these 20mph speed limits, EV owners can take up DEVLIVERING MILK as a hobby? EVs should come with a FIRE-LADDER as standard equipment (to get out your upstairs bedroom when the EV thermal runaway 'feature' kicks in). 😂😂 #ICENotPoweredByCoal
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The original milk float will do more miles per charge ❌.
I'd imagine there'll come a time when workplace productivity is severely affected by people needing to wait for charging cars.
Mate, love your vids, and I live in Perth, west Coast Aus. There is no way, that electric cars will work in Aus, especially in WA. You leave the most isolated city in the world, and for example, head north. Next biggest town, Geraldton, 4 n a bit hours away, and think 4 charging places along the way, now that Geraldton. I guess you guys may of heard of Broome, again for example, major tourist spot, just a casual, 2045 kms away, 22 hours, but INLAND, the quick way. No charging stations, or maybe 1. So hey , as long as you don’t want to go anywhere in Perth, I guess, get one. OTHERWISE?😊
I my charge costs me 7.5 per kwh the equivalent in fossil terms to 400 miles per gallon...
Now the cold weather is on our doorstep watch your range of mileage drop drastically...
Gone are the days when you could splash and dash. Imagine the queues 😮 Not everyone can have a home charger 🙄
I can "splash and dash" an EV in 10 mins, I see people at petrol stations for over that regularly.
@@davedevonlad7402 locally you will be ok. Try driving some distance.
@@davedevonlad7402 10 minutes would have filled my tank yesterday i arrived at a pay at pump and put £15 in and was out and gone in 6 minutes which gave me 1/2 a tank
I drive a diesel transit 8 seater and on 40 quid I can get from Surrey to north wales and some of the way back why would anyone buy a ev
Because that trip would cost me £10 😂
why compare a diesel transit with a Porsche? Makes zero sense.. Mind you I guess you driving a taxi means you'll never get a Porsche so I guess you don't have a choice ! 😂
You should also incorporate the time into the cost, personally, as a contractor, I couldn’t afford to sit around waiting for car to chsrge
ABSOLUTELY. WHEN YOU HAVE TO SPEND 2 TO 3 HOURS ON THE ROAD TO CHARGE THE BATTERIES, YOU NEED TO MULTIPLY THAT BY WHAT MAKE PER HOUR.
I watched the high peak autos road trip where Matt was charged £60 for electricity which gave him 200 miles range
At current petrol prices that would work out at 21/22 MPG
My diesel on the same trip would do 60mpg and cost me £23 for the same distance
Madness
Which is why motorway rapid chargers are only used when needed. The madness would be to only charge on those chargers.
Agree my Seat Leon Ecomotive diesel does 70 mpg so even cheaper
@@mikebreen2890 If you watch the video you’ll see he tried to charge at other places first, but they were either busy, out of order or wouldn’t take payment
Cobham services was his last resort
Of course if he’d been in a diesel Audi he’d have got there and back without having to refuel
Most of us want a technology that is effective, efficient and economical which EV’s are not
My sat nav tells me how many charge points are occupied. With several alternatives.
@@Anonymous-ib8so Except charging at expensive motorway chargers is not the norm. Now, want to compare with my cheap night rate electricity or my neighbours solar panels?
I love the £100 fine sign, No forecourt I've ever been to has a sign like that.
Interesting Lee !! But petrol for me all day long 👍👍
Honesty is always a positive. It's not you being negative, it's this incessant need for the corporate world to milk every penny from every person that they can from the 'climate', and some people just won't be suckered. Up to 2020 I was excited by the prospect of getting modern EV's, but research since, plus so many horror stories across media, means that although some manufacturers knew what they were doing, many others literally through these cars together, using existing platforms that were never designed to carry electric motors. Couple that with our country simply not prepared with the available infrastructure to have such large numbers of EV drivers on the roads, and like most things these days, it's shoddy, whilst some fill their pockets. UK motorists has been exploited for so many years.
The horror stories in the press are paid for by Big Oil using the exact same thing that the tobacco industry did decades ago. Sow doubt and disinformation every day!
Never could understand why those chargers aren't under some sort of cover for protection from the weather. In the states where you can get 3-5 feet of snow, at least a cover may help and of course when it is raining.
The whole point of owning my car is to travel across the country at weekends to see friends and relatives with speed and convenience. If I wanted to wait around, waste money, and reduce my emissions, I'd take the train not buy an EV. Life is too short to waste time at EV charging stations and fight over who is next with other drivers.
This is outrageous, 40 miles of charge for £10? My car, a 2.2l peugeot 407 sw gt does 47 miles per gallon of diesel, is well looked after and serviced regularly 08 plate is still worth 2k.and it's beautiful.
Wonder if an inextinguishable EV battery fire may be behind Luton Airport carpark going up?
Surely there will be footage from the numerous live surveillance security cameras recording the circumstances under which the fire started..
Guessing they won't show it.
Sorry to disappoint you but apparently not...
'He (the chief fire officer) added the fire likely started in a diesel car, before spreading to nearby vehicles.
"We don't believe it was an electric vehicle," he said
but it does surely raise the question of how would an EV battery fire be dealt with in such a scenario?
*edit. Even though there was no sprinkler system at Luton, you can't extinguish an EV battery..
Working on the only charger which gave you 'miles per charge' (43 mls @ £10.10p), I could get well over 80 miles on the equivellent cost of diesel.
I'll stick with my trusty Merc diesel thanks👍👍
I remember a time when drivers were critical of their cars and nobody got upset. In fact they often agreed. When something wasn't up to snuff or started costing the owner they soon said - and were not shouted down. Why are people so defensive recently?