Visits are pnly valuable when you need to close the deal on a prospect in one specific circumstance. All of these need to be true for a visit to be worth it: 1. The prospect is being heavily recruited by programs with a pipeline advantage over you. 2. The other schools are accruing more influence per week than you and you arent so far ahead that they couldnt possibly catch up. 3. You can schedule a visit on an earlier week than everyone else in the hunt for this recruit. If all 3 of these are true, then a visit is valuable. If you let the situation play out without a visit, the other schools will eventually overtake you and land the recruit, due to the pipeline advantage. If you schedule a visit, you can get an insta commit so long as it's a good visit and you win the game.
great insight, fend should pin this comment. to add a little more -- this scenario tends to be far more common at schools with low prestige/with bad pipelines -- almost never happens at texas, will happen 10 times a year at an early rice dynasty or similar
@@MS-pd7fc yup good points. One thing I’ll add is that if you’re a smaller school: will those 40 points be better spent on the 4-5 star gem visit or trying to bring in a 3 star who may or may not be scouted?
The optimal math is to close a recruit as early as possible so that you get the points back later. If a 40hr commitment saves you one week of 50-80 hours it is the mathematically correct choice. Usually it can give you 2 weeks of hours, or more. Visits are only not worth it when you are over recruiting/valuing numbers over fit. Recruiting in phases with priorities is definitely doable and getting a high quality week 4 and 5 group visit lined up can wrap half of your class.
@@sj-nj6yh chose 18 as it’s right about at what I believe to be the “correct” incoming freshman # as over 5 years and assuming some early departures it keeps you around that 85 roster capacity. And by saving the hours you spent on visits and instead frontloading prospects and pushing phase to your advantage, you can close more of your targets earlier than compared with visiting. My most developed coaches were done recruiting completely with 17x gem-only players by week 4 or 5. Check this out lol: x.com/fendlertweets/status/1828180369432060006?s=46&t=VUQ-cljNbn1eyADBOHnuAw
@@FendlerYT there might be a sweet spot that isn't so cut and dry depending on the program size, but usually by week 6 in 4.5-5 star programs there's nothing left to do except wait for the 2 five star guys that want everyone to wait as long as possible and use your points to scout athletes and fringe players you might not even want
I need a director's cut with all the actual recruiting. Not because I don't believe you, but because it's just more content! The only time I'm considering visits is if I'm in a rebuild and I've only got 1 really strong rating. If you're throwing a hard sell at a guy with A+ Proximity to home but C/D in the other categories, a visit is probably going to be comparatively better. At a top program with a top coach, you've got enough strong grades that the true weakness of the visit is that you're only using one of your A+ grades instead of 3 at a time. Great content as always!
Whenever I read someone say how important it is to schedule visits I feel the need to correct them thanks to you and now we have the proof. Nicely done.
@@FendlerYTYes visits are trash! UNLESS you are behind and need the extra influence otherwise Other than that save your 40pts they will commit anyway not needed at all waste of time and points
I like the effort to try and remove bias from your experiment, but I think a little snuck in there anyways simply because of the objective being "sign as many as you can out of 18" with the hours you have available. That is a setup that is implicitly going to favor efficiency. Which is fine, efficiency is important. But that also makes it important to highlight that all we care about is quantity, not the individual recruits themselves. Visits are not efficient, totally agree. What they are is a way to increase the total amount of influence you can put on any single recruit during the process. This matters when you are in a race to win a commit from a desirable recruit that other programs are also going all in on. It also allows for some trickery like locking out potential rivals by jumping the recruit into the next cutoff early etc. Or letting you get the commit before another school catches up to you. If those are never a concern in your recruiting, then visits will inherently not be worth it. Visits are a tool in your arsenal. Use them when they make sense and fit your overall goals. Skip them when they don't.
@@synapticsqueeze3380 yeah I don’t disagree with anything you said outside of the quantity thing. 17-18 over 5 years assuming some early departures and trying to redshirt most freshmen is what I’d call the “correct” number of prospects to sign. It’ll always be more hours = more influence, but it will come with the opportunity cost of what you could have done with those hours for the rest of the class. But you gotta reach for your stars so there is certainly a place for them
@@FendlerYT Totally fair, and that balance also changes depending on what sort of program you are recruiting for. Lower down the rung, you don't need all 18 to be top shelf every year and a lot of those can be filled with recruits from the second wave. Some years, you need 8-10 good recruits and some people to hold the clipboard and replenish the cooler etc =)
There is 1 context under which I believe it makes sense to visit: 1. You started recruiting a player earlier than a competing school and have a head start 2. The competing school is earning more influence per week to the point they will likely win the recruitment without intervention 3. You are far enough into the recruiting battle where you believe a one-time boost to influence would be the difference between winning and losing that player. 4. You visit and the competing school either doesn’t or schedules it farther out than you think it will take to lock in the recruit
Good video. I stand corrected and after going thru a few seasons of recruiting after I stated in your previous video that visits were beneficial it’s definitely better to maximize hours on recruiting actions like sending the house and then stacking 10hr and 5 hr on top of that. Limiting the recruits to maximize hours on high level recruits is key. Keep getting them recruits. Good job.
I signed the 1# recruit and the number 2 recruit with kentucky after watching one of your videos. My first attempt at dynasty went horrible but I gave it a second chance after watching your stuff. Thank you!
A level 1 coach with 0 recruiting buffs would have been the one other control I would have done but I still never schedule visits until the transfer portal when I have extra hours.
my only rebuttal to this is when you're scheduling visits are you making sure you're not bringing in multiple players of the same positions in 1 visit. like are you bringing in 2+ QB's on the same week? are you bringing in players that will complement certain positions? like RB's & OL's? QB's & WR's? CB's & Safeties? that also needed to be considered.
Playing as Air Force where 2 tier pipeline is the highest, scheduling visits is the only way I can get a leg up against other schools with 4-5 tier pipeline. I only use it if a top tier school sneaks up in influence and I need just an extra boost
Nice video. I always hated having to spend 40 hours just to schedule a visit. Now I know it’s a waste of time. It makes zero sense for it to cost that many hours. The act of scheduling a visit used to gain some influence points directly, so it wasn’t as bad. But they patched it out for some reason.
Just stoping in saying what up to the Fam. 🎉🎉🎉 and yea I use visits early when it’s feasible, I usually land every 5 star I scheduled and it’s usually in groups so it def works for me !!🎉
Gonna say this, if you’re using a top tier school. Just progressively add hours and only use a “sell” option if you’re not leading the pack. Sending the house and maxing hours has got me the 2nd best class with 5-6 5 star recruits, three seasons running. Just my experience following two years of losing recruits the the sell options
Something not being taken into account by the pro visit folks.... is you still have to win the game. If you lose (online dynasty for example) the visit hurt you and you wasted points.
I don’t use visits with my top tier targets so that i can get more value up top. I so use them in the Transfer Portal to land my top Targets (if i need to) i view Visits as, use of I have extra hours, but don’t prioritize. My usual strat is to dominate my pipelines, then have a coach with high motivator.
Just signed 20 (5 Stars) at Texas… Lost 3 throughout the recruiting process but literally went after 5 stars this offseason and it went great… Now I need to decide who will be redshirted and who will play this upcoming season
Thanks for putting in the work, your vids have helped me a ton. I was doing all kinds of stupid stuff like scouting in season and visits. All my dynasties are with 3 star or below schools so it’s a little more difficult but the same methods seem to be the way to go.
I would have to agree with you. When I got The U back back rolling I never set visits. As soon as I had those 3 checks show up I hard sell and I always had either the best class or close to the best.
I think it's a bit more situational than that. I'm in an online franchise, and my schedule landed me 4 games on the road to end the season. Because of this, I'm going to lose 4 4* recruits that are that have visits scheduled with other teams. I also was able to land 3 3* recruits early in the season (all the same week) after visits. I think it's simple, if you have a huge lead, don't waste points on a visit. If you are in a tight race AND can spare the points from some other recruit where you do have a huge lead, then do the visit. Either way, as a 2.5 star program in year two (Air Force) I'm happy to land 3 3* and 5-6 4*, even though it could have been better if I would have had just one home game out of the last 4 games (I'm putting points in to 3*'s at this point, on players where I have big leads... I have the points to spare). I agree though, if you don't need to schedule the visit, or you don't have the points to take from somewhere else, don't bother.
Yo Fen! While I'm leaning towards your no visit stance, I have to bring up something no one has mentioned. Your control gave forced wins, but that only allows the normal visit interest. Remember, you get a +75% boost in "blowout" games. I bring this up because when you're able to stack the schedule and perform, you amass huge amounts of interest. There's a reason EA had to limit you to 4 per week, as I was consistently landing 7 to 8 guys a week on a visit.
It would have to give +150% to recover the 2.5x recruits we lost from visiting vs not and you’d need a blowout every time. Telling you it’s just not worth it brother lol
@@FendlerYT you can but it's bad data analysis because its not an apples to apples comparison. Influence is a variable with a wide range of values whereas the end outcome for a recruiting battle is a binary and is impacted by many more variables than the influence you spend. Your point would be better illustrated by looking at *relative* influence.
Started doing this about a week ago after watching one of your streams. Noticed you were hard selling asap and not doing visits. Recruiting has been overall easier and better. First 5-6 weeks I don’t do any visits and after the first wave of commits I start doing visits to the players that seem harder to get to commit.
In my experience, visits seem to actively hurt me. Bye weeks do nothing, and losing the game does unbelievable damage, and off season seems like it has negative effects. I had a guy I was going after, was in first place, had his perfect pitch with ALL A grades, hard sell and soft sell with 5 extra points for social media, and put him on a visit matching his deal breaker (A grade) and after the week passed, I dropped to 3rd with a deficit 😮
I only use visits when in a tight battle along with stacking visits to get bonuses. All of my dynasties are with friends, and they can help you get back into a race or close the deal early. I only schedule them ethier the next week or 2 weeks out as you done get any bonuses for scheduling later like in 14.
I think the university depends on how effective your visits are. When I was controlling Miami I landed pretty much every recruit I went after. I changed to UTSA to give myself more of a challenge and visits became less effective. Only after winning and getting upgrades in team facilities and coach prestige… the visits went back to being effective
@@FendlerYT I feel you… I just think it’s situational. I’ve been in third place, schedule a complementary visit on an high profile game and signed the recruit. It all depends. Dope video 💯
Visits (with how they are currently setup) are great when used intentionally a specific way. If you can’t schedule on a rivalry game it hurts it, but mainly. You gotta have the complimentary bonuses. Schedule the guy you actually need or want the bonus, complimented by some others that you don’t need or could dial back and use the visit and win the game solid or even if it’s a lower tier and that blowout bonus. And also. Scheduling the visit to **prevent the competition from scheduling their visit** can be the prevention to a heartbreak beat.
Just don’t see how it’s worth it to have 1 good visit week on a rivalry + complimentary when they’re just not even a good mechanic lol but I’m hearing you out
None of this applies to online leagues they are absolutely the difference when you’re recruiting against real player and not using a juiced coach in an offline league with 80 hours per recruit with elite recruiter. Schedule hard games or rivalry games as early as week 3 or 4 and then you get a significant bump against the competition. Additionally # of recruits is not necessarily representative of strength of class if you miss out on the elite guys you really want. All things equal if you schedule a visit and your opponent does not you will land the recruit and vice versa. Nice video though I generally agree with your stance and week 7 and past visits will typically give you no value as the recruits should have already been landed
Certainly applies to online leagues as influence bars work exactly the same way. Also no elite recruiter skill branch here. None of this had anything to do with other schools, it just showed that you land more without visits. Feels crazy to type all that after watching the video but I do appreciate the comment man!
I get what the 1st comment is saying. For those of us in online leagues against users who WILL schedule visits, will not scheduling them out you behind the 8 ball when competing for 5 star talent? It would be useful to see you conduct this experiment, but also with a 2nd user going after those same players, and then comparing the results. But in an offline league against no other users, this is very telling…
@@FendlerYT trying to help you look at a different angle this is not my opinion it’s a fact if you’re 1v1 recruiting battle against another player and keep max hours and use a visit you will win, this is a wrinkle you did not show and makes a difference. When you see a platinum quick jump lolb online everyone wants him if you don’t schedule a visit you’ll lose and this prospect is worth two recruits maybe more imo. This could also apply for the elite qb’s gem players or scarce players such as only one 5 star left tackle in the entire class
@@FendlerYT Are we missing something? He said, if all things are equal with two users going after the same recruit, both maxing out their hours, the user who schedules a visit gets the advantage and gets the recruit. Is that somehow not the case? One puts an additional 40 hours on the recruit on top of the max number of hours per week. I understand you'd rather use those 40 hours elsewhere but you would lose that particular recruit.
@@justinlee6047 I think all the content in the video is 100% fair and correct this is only very specific cases but in online where you’re trying to get an edge the top top guys are always a dog fight to get and you have to target and make sure you land the elite guys or else you will get outpaced in the long run
I’ve found this to be true because after week 8 I’m just filling up my board at that point and grabbing players and I’ve found that I can grab a couple of players 3stars and less but you still can get players. Thanks for info will try this out on my next build
All this proves that visits, if used randomly and not strategically, are a waste. There is no need to prioritize visits on guys you’re running away with anyway. There IS a need to use visits to build interest on guys you’re in tough battles on AND schedule the visit defensively just to prevent your main competition from scheduling a visit that gives them the lead. You also have to be thoughtful about what games you schedule the recruits for. What we really need to know is how much interest visits grant. I know it’s a lot, but I don’t know if it’a more or less than a hard sell.
That’s what we just found out lol. Nothing was random at all, moved hours around to optimize our chances every week. Just scheduled visits asap. You’re hurting yourself with this mindset I promise lol
Try this same strategy using visits but you spoon feed a tough home schedule for visits. And test this visits theory. Like put all high ranked/overalls Teams as all ur home games for visits, i heard strength in schedule on visits help your pitches too
Just doesn’t feel worth it needing to do all this extra setup with schedules and then complimentary and then a blowout, etc. if you wanted to waste a bunch of time you certainly could do all that but why bother if no visits performs so much better without extra effort
I find the key to visits is when you schedule them and how you balance those hours with the recruits. If i'm in a battle with a school for a 5 star gem that I really need, then I'm going to throw more hours and schedule a visit if I can get them there asap as it can and has made the difference. You only have to sign an average of 17 per year if all get redshirted each year, so that should leave you plenty of hours to include some strategic visits.
Think you probably got that 17 number from me lol but there will always be exceptions. Generally though, we just know that there’s less value per hour spent with visits than without
I’m gonna play with this some more I’ve had great success with scheduling visits as you have more xp with your coach later, but less success early on. So for instance I’ve signed 10 5 star players on week 3/going into week 4. Get them all to top 5 schedule a complimentary visit all defense 3rd week all offense second week. 2 commit with scholarship offers. Boom 10 5 stars early. Now yes that’s 5 seasons in with all the juicy coach skills. The first 2 years I didn’t even try to schedule a visit. That being said who knows maybe I would have landed all those players by week 4 or 5 any way. I have found that if you are gonna schedule a visit it better be all in as it max points on the player, or it’s absolutely useless.
Something to note with 4/5 of the non-commits in the visit save. They all committed to teams that beat you to the punch with the visit. Obviously not scheduling the visits appears to be the better option, but the visit is like a knockout punch. In my games, if you can get these prospects to top five by week two or three, then schedule all of them in weeks 3-5, you’ll get damn near 100%.
You lose so many recruits by letting the computer schedule visits. I don’t get it…. Most every guy I lost on is because he visited somewhere else before me
@@FendlerYT also, I have a counter thought to your 18. I’m usually around 27-29. I know that makes me cut players, but there are always players who are 5 star or 4 gems normal or impact dev that won’t progress as very much. Maybe I’m just heartless but I cut soph(RS) and obvious fresh(RS) every season. It’s like the purge of slow dev players.
A follow-up question - how does this result compare against a case with the visit skill tree maxed out? Put another way - how many skill points do you have to spend (read: waste) to make that tree actually valuable, relative to not visiting at all?
Good call on the (waste) bit lol. Sounds like we agree but I can not fathom a bigger waste of skill points than using that tree. Truly the worst option in Dynasty IMO. A good question indeed but not one I’m interested in answering lol
You also never know if the opposing coach has the perk that causes lost interest if the visit is before.. for online its a good ine to get if youre opponents aren't paying attention
Only use visits if you're behind or worried you won't land a particular recruit. Sometimes quality is better than quantity and the vise versa is true. Depends on your needs/strategy.
A huge major problem is that visits even cost hours. If I'm in week 3 and schedule a week 5 visit it shouldn't cost me hours immediately or at all to be honest. And the last college football game the top schools with schedule a visit and then it would be based off team performance whether they met the goals for that game and that's how it should be and it gave them a great boost to their total points. Visiting this game are just useless
@FendlerYT u just got a new sub, also btw, im playing the game now and just had a recruit with 50 hrs send the house allocated to him, after 2 weeks only 2 interests revealed, both were red Xs wth is up with that
I feel visit are good when you’re not undefeated and you get a win against a decent opponent and the extra rep boost actually benefits you. If you’re winning every game, scheduling visit imo wouldn’t really benefit you and ofc if you’re losing every game don’t even bother. If you’re winning every game, hard selling should do the trick or send the house if the grades are bad and if you’re losing every game then do what you can.
I knew you was going to do a video on this you help me out alot even with the playbook Liberty very balanced I enjoy the game most because of it good lookin
I’m in a dynasty with my brothers and I just lost out on 6 recruits because my brother was able to schedule visits before me. I was leading on these recruits and pumping 80 hours into them and he straight jumped me because of the visits. I’m going to continue doing visits ASAP.
@@FendlerYT Neither of us had a pipeline advantage and you can't put more than 80 hours on a recruit. Maaaaybe grades were a little different but we're very similar schools and I've won the Natty the last 3 years.
@@07jimmymitchell you’re misunderstanding. They are still a net positive influence gain. Hours = influence. He won because he spent more hours than you, some of them were just suboptimal “visit” hours. What we found here is there is less value per hour spent, as far as influence gained, from scheduling visits vs. not. They are not a net negative. They’re just not the best way to spend.
Starts video with I don’t want to bias. Then in every case that proves the no visit dogma is wrong arguing against it. You can get away with no visits vs the CPU it just doesn’t work well against users. The core of this dogma is bad because a visit = influence the question is the influence gained worth losing basically one week of hard sell or send the house on a lower tier target? No one is saying you can’t land recruits without a visit obviously can.
@@DGHustla305 influence bars work exactly the same way offline or online. More about guys like you who just want to be heard and you don’t like when your points aren’t as strong as you thought they were lol. Did you just learn the word dogma today my man
Incorrect, there is only one answer to the question being asked here. Visits are less efficient than no visits. You can always break from efficiency to land your guys but that was not the experiment lol
@FendlerYT I'd say the experiment showed more so that some players need you to do a visit more so than it showed you don't as you even allured to at the ens of your video. Its a fun but not very conclusive experiment since different circumstances can effect results on a prospect. I.e. team successes, team status, team type etc. Its deeper than just surface level place hours here. Not much deeper but definitely a tad more.
@FendlerYT you're over simplifying it lol. They are only less efficient if it's a prospect that you have an advantage on. I guarentee you if a power school has a visit set before you and its a close race its GGs to that prospect they are out. I legit landed a class of about 23/24 5 stars. I'm not talking out my ass here lol. Ultimately it doesn't even matter because you can land more than enough prospects. Just saying those close ones a visit can make all the difference
I’m my 2nd year with Kentucky. I have landed 10 5 stars 6 games into the season…7 of them committed all at the same time and I think I had 5 or 6 of them on visits
Visits are nice because they don't count against your hours for that particular recruit. I don't really care if they are better versus other options for other recruits I want to be able to juice a guy after I put the maximum amount of hours on them.
Good video and recently I stopped EXCEPT if in a close race and another top school schedules a visit you pop one in ahead of them and can win it. It is possible to get all 18 if you maybe just scheduled those 2 you lost. 80% of time, no visits is what I find
While I agree that visits aren't useful once you reach the coach build showed in your recruiting YT videos, it's needed in the early stages of starting a coach from scratch. I've seen this several times first hand when trying for a recruit that I was in the lead for at the final three and the other teams have a visit scheduled and snipe them from me. I also have perfect hard sell and max hours spent and still get them sniped more often than not. Also if a player uses the strategist tree or hires an assistant with the strategist the visit plays a huge part. Just another thought process.
don't forget that spending those 40 to land the ONE guy is going to hurt the rest of your class by those same 40 hours. I think visits are actually even more detrimental to early programs with minimal hours because of their comparative inefficiency. But you definitely gotta go get your guys!
The only other control I would have done is make sure the other teams like in this case UNC, Miami, Georgia, Ohio State and make sure they won their visit week. Maybe in the non-visit save they lost when the recruit was visiting the other school which could have factored into the results of them coming to you. Not saying that was the case but if I was testing this that's something I'd add when you see a rival school is about to go on a visit to force win that week like you did for your school. That's a nitpick and really the only thing that could differ between the 2 saves.
so then the goal is to just send the house until you discover their three "green" motivators and then hard sell them and walk away until they commit (or not)?
Accurate conclusion based on the results and the parameters used in this experiment. Visits are unnecessary for undefeated powerhouses since all the hard sell pitches are including multiple "A" graded interests. Switch the experiment to G5 doormat with a newly created coach fighting for a few 4 star players-and i think the conclusion changes. As discussed in a previous video-hard selling might not even be worth it because the only decent interest is "Proximity to home" for these programs. My assumption of the mechanic (40 hours for a visit, 40 hours for a hard sell) is that the visit would yield the same amount of base influence as the hard sell-but only calculated on the letter grade of the 1 interest selected for the visit. So instead of a weak hard sell, the visit gets me the influence of 1 perfect hard sell on proximity to home-plus any other bonuses i can string together on a week 4 home game against Ball State. So visits are trash...but still might be the best option when your school is trash.
@@TweederEndZoneDance both files got hard sells on the exact same set of grades. So it’s still an even comparison, they both had the same advantages. Conclusion would not change. Visit file got good hard sells too
Fendler can you make a video showing the coach and how you leveled up his recruiting abilities and do a step by step method of what you do each week of recruiting so we can see how your coach attributes help you land recruits. Ive watched your videos but i cant seem to land the level prospects
Aye fellas quick question Does transfer affect recruiting class grade or is it complete upon national signing day??? Cause I got the 3rd class and I wanna get the 2nd so bad
Not every prospect needs a visit but some do..its usually the guys were the other school has a bigger pipeline boost.. i only schedule a visit if feel like the team is catching up or if he is about 2-3 weeks from committing. I will sneak a visit in before he commits to the other school and they sign on the visit.
@@FendlerYT not every prospect needs max hours to sign either.. week 2 or 3 i focus on the guys who being recruited hard first by taking hours from the guys who are obviously coming. Once we get to a point were the bar is almost to the end of top 5 i will know if they need a visit.. prospects usually stay in top 3 stage for 2-3 weeks so that why i schedule toward the end of top 5 to get the visit in that 2-3 week window. Like in the video if u schedule the visit at the right time on the miami and unc guy u could have stoled them at the last min and thats how u go 18 for 18. Its only 2-5 guy per class u need to watch. Recruit the rest of the board like u did.
@@rodrickclaiborne if you’re doing this right the top 3 phase lasts one week, if that. Not sure about the Strat but as long as it’s working for you brother
I don't ever do visits, seems like a waste of hours. Maybe if you do all defense players for one visit and then offensive players on another, you might get an influence boost, but other than that, they don't need to visit...
Here’s what is overlooked about visits: It allows you to double up on a recruit with the visit bonus and whatever gain you get from your normal hours that week. It’s really that simple.
Imo visits are important because it can seal a recruit earlier (if you schedule visit early)but also it prevents another team from swooping in and stealing a recruit with an early visit especially in a mass USER league. But thats my personal exerience .
It's a finisher for winning tough battles for recruits. Not needed for all of the recruits, but also don't think it's right to say we shouldn't use it. Works better when you can line up multiple complimentary visits too.
I’m saying they’re not the most efficient use of hours. They’re still a net positive, so you should definitely be inefficient for guys you feel like you gotta have. This type of response kind of missed the point here
@@FendlerYTok but the experiment is flawed to give such a blanket statement. A recruiter who’s able to get extra hours beyond 50, has increased starting interest for a position group, and increased value to recruiting actions is going to have a different value for visits than a coach who doesn’t. Like the commenter said, visits help close in tight battles. The advantage of the recruiter tree is to get such a head start that there is no battle.
@@victorholmes7075 each group had the exact same advantages that you’ve listed since it was the same coach. Visits were worse. No clue why that hurts so many feelings lol
@@FendlerYT no hurt feelings over here. Your experiment was with the same coach who’s a good recruiter, right? If that’s the case then results are going to skew towards that coaches strengths aka not needing visits to land recruits. My point is that the experiment was not comprehensive enough (nor do I think a comprehensive experiment done by hand is feasible) to justify your conclusions. I agree that visits can easily be a waist of 40 but that doesn’t mean that the mechanic is trash or should be discarded as “inefficient”. It is a specialized tool. You may not always need an eyeglass screwdriver but you’ll be glad to have it when you need it.
@@victorholmes7075 waist is crazy lol. You’re not getting it. Each coach had the same advantages. They recruited the same way outside of the visits. You also aren’t understanding what I mean by efficiency. Per hour spent, you get more influence foregoing visits. That’s what we found here
before watching the vid, in my experience overall visits are good to solidify a commitment or for a last second flip a commit in your favor. but thats only very specific times
@@HurricaneStorm21 curious your thoughts afterwards but yeah not arguing that they’re a negative, just that they’re not the best available positive. Can definitely break from “efficiency” and reach for guys you feel you need
i know this method is very general but let’s say at a smaller school you are trying to get a 5 star and you have heavy competition. just doing regular hours can be very difficult against schools w/ better pipelines and if you want those players you kind of need to get that extra bit from the visits. i think when you are on a more level playing field this absolutely works but when you have less hours i feel like it’s best to go for best players and fill out the board afterwards with what’s left available.
i think that’s just a strategy tho for building a program. early years go hard after best players and once you get more hours you then go for a larger group of good players and apply this method to just be more efficient every year
Oh man idk brother, at a small school that’s a quick way to wind up with like 2-3 guys you actually want and then a bunch of bad players. Think it’s even more important as a small school to make better decisions than hyper focusing on just a couple studs
Question: since you had 900 hours, and went after 18 recruits did you start off with send the house on all 18 then adapt to more and less time every week as needed? I always have trouble or second thoughts on when I should be taking hours away or if possible adding more hours. Thanks for the videos btw...GGs
I actually started thinking this was the case. When it was glitched and you couldnt always schedule visits i feel like i was landing more recruits. Even after it was fixed i just wasnt in the habit of scheduling every time so i started remembering to do it and i swear my recruits are dropping off like flies. I landed 18 recruits this season after winning 2 chips 😂
@@FendlerYT no not 5 stars either lol I mean my whole recruiting class. Even with rescouting 4 n 3 stars to replenish my list lol. Scheduling visits is absolute trash 🤣
Had two strategists with my assistants once I got them to the visit by week 4-5 I would sign 4 to 7 commits immediately. Only have 30 points in recruiter myself
I have to say that vs the CPU visits are not needed. But if you are playing vs friends or any online dynasty, you will lose out on recruits if you do not visit early. I have lost more recruits for not getting a visit in vs put one as soon as possible for the faster signing.
Yes it does matter when 2,3 or 4 ppl are maxing out their hours spending 60-80 to land the kid plus with all the other modifiers and bonuses top kids fly through their recruitment and commit by week 5. The computer simply doesn’t recruit like that. And even if one school does they all don’t. And since the patch that requires them to recruit more players they spend even less hours.
@@FendlerYT not at all. They have been the difference in me landing a recruit or just getting destroyed by the bigger schools. That visit is sometimes the difference you need to jump over the bigger schools or to lock them in. Otherwise the bigger schools just come in late and vulture the guys you’ve been recruiting
All visits are not equal so it's difficult to know how to interpret this. If you bring in four complimentary recruits in the same week, they all get the big boost. Is it enough to merit 160 hours? Dunno! But it's way better than a bunch of no/low-boost visits for sure...
It might be play style or something based off stats. Without visiting and focusing on something that changed later for the recruits interest maybe it's better for certain recruits to not visit and pitch something you can't maintain. For example to go after an option qb but have pocket passing scheme. Your team is winning despite your style not matching the prospects interest. Maybe it is best to not pitch that player 🤷.
@@FendlerYT I mean just off-season recruiting in general. You know for early signing day. Those visits often end with a commitment for me at least. And it goes for 5 star programs and 1 star programs.
do you think this is still the case in an online dynasty? Just for an example if you're putting 50 hours on a player and another user is putting 75 hours with a higher pipeline, Do you think the visit could give the boost needed to overcome the other user for that specific player? Great video by the way! I've stopped on visits ever since you mentioned them in a previous video and recruiting got drastically better no matter what team I pick!
Definitely would! Just because they’re not the BEST use of hours doesn’t mean theyre not still a net positive, they certainly are. Just keep in mind that you are essentially taking away from the rest of the class when you have to make hours “reaches” like that!
I don’t buy into dogma. No visit or visit It’s very situational. And there are just too many variables to say one should never do it. Plus I play mainly online dynasty’s where users are just better at prioritizing getting the best players, freaks and generational talents. And every single advantage is needed. Re: no visit strat online: In an online dynasty I had a buddy on OU who did no visits. I had Texas and did visits. I won over 90% of our head to head battles for top recruits. Always signed 11-12 5* and the rest 4*. Class size of 25-27. Did I maybe miss out on a 4* possibly but in an online dynasty it’s more important to land the 6’6 WR with 95 speed and 97 jump or the speed rusher with platinum quick jump than it is to simply sign an extra 3 kids.
@@DGHustla305 typed so much bro lol. Yeah, when you spend hours you get more influence. Per hour, it’s less efficient than not visiting. So you won those guys bc you spent more hours. Not a mystery lol, they’re just always less efficient
I understand visits are not as valuable as 40 additional hours put into different recruits. But if you are going for ONE recruit in an online league, spending maximum hours, and put them on a visit, it has to be worth it, right?
@@nickdelaguila6050 absolutely on a singular basis. Then it’s just back to more total hours = more total influence. Which will always be true. Visits are still net positive influence gain on hours.
I think this isn't quite as accurate as it should be. I do think you did a valid experiment, but often times, there are guys that I don't need to schedule a visit because I'm way ahead already. But there always seems to be a few guys that I'm in a close battle at the beginning of Top 5 and that visit week 5 or 6 is huge. And losing that 40-80 hours doesn't set me back on the guys that I'm way ahead on. I think there is a mix of these terms you set up that lead to an actual optimal recruitment process. On the whole though, I don't usually schedule visits because they are often times not needed.
@@spyrebel7612 yeah this was just a question of influence per hour spent but obviously visits are still a net positive so you should absolutely break from pure efficiency on a case by case basis for guys you feel like you really need
I can tell you …….. they don’t mater. At least for a 4+ star school. Bc of you I’ve been able to sign a lot of recruits (26 kids) this year and never did a school visit. Never. I may when I get to Transfers but not one visit during my season.
hoping everyone who reads this lands all the 5 stars
@@da_hit_stick always Crooting
I get 17-23 every year I only recruit 5 stars I go after 4 stars after week 5 or 6 👌🏾
God bless you soldier
@@i-10savagewhat school?
Visits are pnly valuable when you need to close the deal on a prospect in one specific circumstance. All of these need to be true for a visit to be worth it: 1. The prospect is being heavily recruited by programs with a pipeline advantage over you. 2. The other schools are accruing more influence per week than you and you arent so far ahead that they couldnt possibly catch up. 3. You can schedule a visit on an earlier week than everyone else in the hunt for this recruit. If all 3 of these are true, then a visit is valuable. If you let the situation play out without a visit, the other schools will eventually overtake you and land the recruit, due to the pipeline advantage. If you schedule a visit, you can get an insta commit so long as it's a good visit and you win the game.
great insight, fend should pin this comment.
to add a little more -- this scenario tends to be far more common at schools with low prestige/with bad pipelines -- almost never happens at texas, will happen 10 times a year at an early rice dynasty or similar
Exactly. And I would contend even more so when playing in an online lg with 31 other users. And especially if the comp uses visit before you do/can.
Facts. All this other talk is nonsense. Visits are definitely valuable in all circumstances you listed.
@@MS-pd7fc yup good points. One thing I’ll add is that if you’re a smaller school: will those 40 points be better spent on the 4-5 star gem visit or trying to bring in a 3 star who may or may not be scouted?
This is how I landed recruits when I was behind a school at the end and I was a lower pipeline. Of course we're talking about a close race.
The optimal math is to close a recruit as early as possible so that you get the points back later. If a 40hr commitment saves you one week of 50-80 hours it is the mathematically correct choice. Usually it can give you 2 weeks of hours, or more. Visits are only not worth it when you are over recruiting/valuing numbers over fit. Recruiting in phases with priorities is definitely doable and getting a high quality week 4 and 5 group visit lined up can wrap half of your class.
@@sj-nj6yh chose 18 as it’s right about at what I believe to be the “correct” incoming freshman # as over 5 years and assuming some early departures it keeps you around that 85 roster capacity.
And by saving the hours you spent on visits and instead frontloading prospects and pushing phase to your advantage, you can close more of your targets earlier than compared with visiting. My most developed coaches were done recruiting completely with 17x gem-only
players by week 4 or 5.
Check this out lol:
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@@FendlerYT there might be a sweet spot that isn't so cut and dry depending on the program size, but usually by week 6 in 4.5-5 star programs there's nothing left to do except wait for the 2 five star guys that want everyone to wait as long as possible and use your points to scout athletes and fringe players you might not even want
I only schedule visits as a buffer when somebody in striking range could snipe me with a visit
@@FendlerYTwas this the coach build you posted about the other day? Using the Georgia coach speed run?
That's all you really gotta do the 1st 6 weeks 90% of your top recruits should've been committed if you start out 15 to 20
I need a director's cut with all the actual recruiting. Not because I don't believe you, but because it's just more content!
The only time I'm considering visits is if I'm in a rebuild and I've only got 1 really strong rating. If you're throwing a hard sell at a guy with A+ Proximity to home but C/D in the other categories, a visit is probably going to be comparatively better. At a top program with a top coach, you've got enough strong grades that the true weakness of the visit is that you're only using one of your A+ grades instead of 3 at a time.
Great content as always!
Whenever I read someone say how important it is to schedule visits I feel the need to correct them thanks to you and now we have the proof. Nicely done.
Always more hours for more influence but glad we got the answer to the efficiency question here no doubt. Appreciate you watching bro!
@@FendlerYTYes visits are trash! UNLESS you are behind and need the extra influence otherwise Other than that save your 40pts they will commit anyway not needed at all waste of time and points
@@davidtaylor606 I’m with you
I like the effort to try and remove bias from your experiment, but I think a little snuck in there anyways simply because of the objective being "sign as many as you can out of 18" with the hours you have available. That is a setup that is implicitly going to favor efficiency. Which is fine, efficiency is important. But that also makes it important to highlight that all we care about is quantity, not the individual recruits themselves.
Visits are not efficient, totally agree. What they are is a way to increase the total amount of influence you can put on any single recruit during the process. This matters when you are in a race to win a commit from a desirable recruit that other programs are also going all in on. It also allows for some trickery like locking out potential rivals by jumping the recruit into the next cutoff early etc. Or letting you get the commit before another school catches up to you. If those are never a concern in your recruiting, then visits will inherently not be worth it.
Visits are a tool in your arsenal. Use them when they make sense and fit your overall goals. Skip them when they don't.
@@synapticsqueeze3380 yeah I don’t disagree with anything you said outside of the quantity thing. 17-18 over 5 years assuming some early departures and trying to redshirt most freshmen is what I’d call the “correct” number of prospects to sign. It’ll always be more hours = more influence, but it will come with the opportunity cost of what you could have done with those hours for the rest of the class. But you gotta reach for your stars so there is certainly a place for them
@@FendlerYT Totally fair, and that balance also changes depending on what sort of program you are recruiting for. Lower down the rung, you don't need all 18 to be top shelf every year and a lot of those can be filled with recruits from the second wave. Some years, you need 8-10 good recruits and some people to hold the clipboard and replenish the cooler etc =)
There is 1 context under which I believe it makes sense to visit:
1. You started recruiting a player earlier than a competing school and have a head start
2. The competing school is earning more influence per week to the point they will likely win the recruitment without intervention
3. You are far enough into the recruiting battle where you believe a one-time boost to influence would be the difference between winning and losing that player.
4. You visit and the competing school either doesn’t or schedules it farther out than you think it will take to lock in the recruit
@@Capitalist89 hearing you out
Good video. I stand corrected and after going thru a few seasons of recruiting after I stated in your previous video that visits were beneficial it’s definitely better to maximize hours on recruiting actions like sending the house and then stacking 10hr and 5 hr on top of that. Limiting the recruits to maximize hours on high level recruits is key. Keep getting them recruits. Good job.
Thanks for the follow up reply man, glad to hear of your success!! Good stuff
I signed the 1# recruit and the number 2 recruit with kentucky after watching one of your videos. My first attempt at dynasty went horrible but I gave it a second chance after watching your stuff. Thank you!
@@whitedynamite7900 man I LOVE to hear that!!! Glad to hear you’re back on the grind bro, thanks for watching
A level 1 coach with 0 recruiting buffs would have been the one other control I would have done but I still never schedule visits until the transfer portal when I have extra hours.
Transfer portal for certain
I quit using them after watching ur video. I just landed 7-4* in one week so I have seen positive results following ur path!
@@fromcorner2cornerpodcast205 you’re going crazy bro!!! Great stuff!
my only rebuttal to this is when you're scheduling visits are you making sure you're not bringing in multiple players of the same positions in 1 visit. like are you bringing in 2+ QB's on the same week? are you bringing in players that will complement certain positions? like RB's & OL's? QB's & WR's? CB's & Safeties? that also needed to be considered.
@@SamuelThadius12 it doesn’t even matter. Visits are so bad
Playing as Air Force where 2 tier pipeline is the highest, scheduling visits is the only way I can get a leg up against other schools with 4-5 tier pipeline. I only use it if a top tier school sneaks up in influence and I need just an extra boost
@@Trifizzy92 nah man you should be focusing on your recruiting skill tree and it won’t matter I promise
Nice video. I always hated having to spend 40 hours just to schedule a visit. Now I know it’s a waste of time. It makes zero sense for it to cost that many hours. The act of scheduling a visit used to gain some influence points directly, so it wasn’t as bad. But they patched it out for some reason.
@@wrb6483 it needs a buff to be relevant in my opinion. Thanks for watching bro!
I have noticed that recruits committed before their scheduled visit, gonna have to start doing this
@@savbreeze7005 wait till you see the difference bro
@@FendlerYT thanks for the content, your stuff has been helpful, keep going up brother
@@savbreeze7005 thanks for watching bro!!!
Just stoping in saying what up to the Fam. 🎉🎉🎉 and yea I use visits early when it’s feasible, I usually land every 5 star I scheduled and it’s usually in groups so it def works for me !!🎉
Gonna say this, if you’re using a top tier school. Just progressively add hours and only use a “sell” option if you’re not leading the pack. Sending the house and maxing hours has got me the 2nd best class with 5-6 5 star recruits, three seasons running. Just my experience following two years of losing recruits the the sell options
@@KodaiSamurai always hard sell on anything about a C average grade. Gives you way more influence than hard selling
Something not being taken into account by the pro visit folks.... is you still have to win the game. If you lose (online dynasty for example) the visit hurt you and you wasted points.
@@caesarserrano8459 for starters, absolutely lol
Very realistic isn’t though lol?
I don’t use visits with my top tier targets so that i can get more value up top. I so use them in the Transfer Portal to land my top Targets (if i need to) i view Visits as, use of I have extra hours, but don’t prioritize. My usual strat is to dominate my pipelines, then have a coach with high motivator.
Just signed 20 (5 Stars) at Texas… Lost 3 throughout the recruiting process but literally went after 5 stars this offseason and it went great… Now I need to decide who will be redshirted and who will play this upcoming season
Sounds like a great situation to be in
Thanks for putting in the work, your vids have helped me a ton. I was doing all kinds of stupid stuff like scouting in season and visits. All my dynasties are with 3 star or below schools so it’s a little more difficult but the same methods seem to be the way to go.
I would have to agree with you. When I got The U back back rolling I never set visits. As soon as I had those 3 checks show up I hard sell and I always had either the best class or close to the best.
@@adamsalafia6324 don’t even wait for all 3 my man. Watch “hard sell early” if you dk how to do it yet
@@FendlerYT yeah I try to do that as well.
I think it's a bit more situational than that. I'm in an online franchise, and my schedule landed me 4 games on the road to end the season. Because of this, I'm going to lose 4 4* recruits that are that have visits scheduled with other teams. I also was able to land 3 3* recruits early in the season (all the same week) after visits. I think it's simple, if you have a huge lead, don't waste points on a visit. If you are in a tight race AND can spare the points from some other recruit where you do have a huge lead, then do the visit. Either way, as a 2.5 star program in year two (Air Force) I'm happy to land 3 3* and 5-6 4*, even though it could have been better if I would have had just one home game out of the last 4 games (I'm putting points in to 3*'s at this point, on players where I have big leads... I have the points to spare). I agree though, if you don't need to schedule the visit, or you don't have the points to take from somewhere else, don't bother.
@@rack4152 this doesn’t offer any situational advice at all. Just tells us you get more influence per hour not visiting
I typically reserve visits for close recruiting battles/ones where I’m trailing.
Yo Fen! While I'm leaning towards your no visit stance, I have to bring up something no one has mentioned. Your control gave forced wins, but that only allows the normal visit interest.
Remember, you get a +75% boost in "blowout" games. I bring this up because when you're able to stack the schedule and perform, you amass huge amounts of interest. There's a reason EA had to limit you to 4 per week, as I was consistently landing 7 to 8 guys a week on a visit.
It would have to give +150% to recover the 2.5x recruits we lost from visiting vs not and you’d need a blowout every time. Telling you it’s just not worth it brother lol
@@FendlerYTyou can't compare boost in influence to recruit yield like that.
@@dond2260 you can tho
@@FendlerYT you can but it's bad data analysis because its not an apples to apples comparison. Influence is a variable with a wide range of values whereas the end outcome for a recruiting battle is a binary and is impacted by many more variables than the influence you spend. Your point would be better illustrated by looking at *relative* influence.
Started doing this about a week ago after watching one of your streams. Noticed you were hard selling asap and not doing visits. Recruiting has been overall easier and better. First 5-6 weeks I don’t do any visits and after the first wave of commits I start doing visits to the players that seem harder to get to commit.
Hell yeah man love to hear of the successes! That has been my favorite way to land guys as well. Thanks for checking out the live stream
In my experience, visits seem to actively hurt me. Bye weeks do nothing, and losing the game does unbelievable damage, and off season seems like it has negative effects. I had a guy I was going after, was in first place, had his perfect pitch with ALL A grades, hard sell and soft sell with 5 extra points for social media, and put him on a visit matching his deal breaker (A grade) and after the week passed, I dropped to 3rd with a deficit 😮
I only use visits when in a tight battle along with stacking visits to get bonuses. All of my dynasties are with friends, and they can help you get back into a race or close the deal early. I only schedule them ethier the next week or 2 weeks out as you done get any bonuses for scheduling later like in 14.
I think the university depends on how effective your visits are. When I was controlling Miami I landed pretty much every recruit I went after. I changed to UTSA to give myself more of a challenge and visits became less effective. Only after winning and getting upgrades in team facilities and coach prestige… the visits went back to being effective
@@clydeferris4992 just think they’re less so than a full press early on with actions that get influence immediately
@@FendlerYT I feel you… I just think it’s situational. I’ve been in third place, schedule a complementary visit on an high profile game and signed the recruit. It all depends. Dope video 💯
Visits (with how they are currently setup) are great when used intentionally a specific way. If you can’t schedule on a rivalry game it hurts it, but mainly. You gotta have the complimentary bonuses. Schedule the guy you actually need or want the bonus, complimented by some others that you don’t need or could dial back and use the visit and win the game solid or even if it’s a lower tier and that blowout bonus. And also. Scheduling the visit to **prevent the competition from scheduling their visit** can be the prevention to a heartbreak beat.
Just don’t see how it’s worth it to have 1 good visit week on a rivalry + complimentary when they’re just not even a good mechanic lol but I’m hearing you out
None of this applies to online leagues they are absolutely the difference when you’re recruiting against real player and not using a juiced coach in an offline league with 80 hours per recruit with elite recruiter. Schedule hard games or rivalry games as early as week 3 or 4 and then you get a significant bump against the competition. Additionally # of recruits is not necessarily representative of strength of class if you miss out on the elite guys you really want. All things equal if you schedule a visit and your opponent does not you will land the recruit and vice versa. Nice video though I generally agree with your stance and week 7 and past visits will typically give you no value as the recruits should have already been landed
Certainly applies to online leagues as influence bars work exactly the same way. Also no elite recruiter skill branch here. None of this had anything to do with other schools, it just showed that you land more without visits. Feels crazy to type all that after watching the video but I do appreciate the comment man!
I get what the 1st comment is saying.
For those of us in online leagues against users who WILL schedule visits, will not scheduling them out you behind the 8 ball when competing for 5 star talent?
It would be useful to see you conduct this experiment, but also with a 2nd user going after those same players, and then comparing the results.
But in an offline league against no other users, this is very telling…
@@FendlerYT trying to help you look at a different angle this is not my opinion it’s a fact if you’re 1v1 recruiting battle against another player and keep max hours and use a visit you will win, this is a wrinkle you did not show and makes a difference. When you see a platinum quick jump lolb online everyone wants him if you don’t schedule a visit you’ll lose and this prospect is worth two recruits maybe more imo. This could also apply for the elite qb’s gem players or scarce players such as only one 5 star left tackle in the entire class
@@FendlerYT Are we missing something? He said, if all things are equal with two users going after the same recruit, both maxing out their hours, the user who schedules a visit gets the advantage and gets the recruit. Is that somehow not the case? One puts an additional 40 hours on the recruit on top of the max number of hours per week. I understand you'd rather use those 40 hours elsewhere but you would lose that particular recruit.
@@justinlee6047 I think all the content in the video is 100% fair and correct this is only very specific cases but in online where you’re trying to get an edge the top top guys are always a dog fight to get and you have to target and make sure you land the elite guys or else you will get outpaced in the long run
I’ve found this to be true because after week 8 I’m just filling up my board at that point and grabbing players and I’ve found that I can grab a couple of players 3stars and less but you still can get players. Thanks for info will try this out on my next build
@@benmartz2825 my pleasure bro!
All this proves that visits, if used randomly and not strategically, are a waste. There is no need to prioritize visits on guys you’re running away with anyway. There IS a need to use visits to build interest on guys you’re in tough battles on AND schedule the visit defensively just to prevent your main competition from scheduling a visit that gives them the lead. You also have to be thoughtful about what games you schedule the recruits for.
What we really need to know is how much interest visits grant. I know it’s a lot, but I don’t know if it’a more or less than a hard sell.
That’s what we just found out lol. Nothing was random at all, moved hours around to optimize our chances every week. Just scheduled visits asap. You’re hurting yourself with this mindset I promise lol
Try this same strategy using visits but you spoon feed a tough home schedule for visits. And test this visits theory. Like put all high ranked/overalls Teams as all ur home games for visits, i heard strength in schedule on visits help your pitches too
Just doesn’t feel worth it needing to do all this extra setup with schedules and then complimentary and then a blowout, etc. if you wanted to waste a bunch of time you certainly could do all that but why bother if no visits performs so much better without extra effort
I find the key to visits is when you schedule them and how you balance those hours with the recruits. If i'm in a battle with a school for a 5 star gem that I really need, then I'm going to throw more hours and schedule a visit if I can get them there asap as it can and has made the difference. You only have to sign an average of 17 per year if all get redshirted each year, so that should leave you plenty of hours to include some strategic visits.
Think you probably got that 17 number from me lol but there will always be exceptions. Generally though, we just know that there’s less value per hour spent with visits than without
I’m gonna play with this some more I’ve had great success with scheduling visits as you have more xp with your coach later, but less success early on. So for instance I’ve signed 10 5 star players on week 3/going into week 4. Get them all to top 5 schedule a complimentary visit all defense 3rd week all offense second week. 2 commit with scholarship offers. Boom 10 5 stars early. Now yes that’s 5 seasons in with all the juicy coach skills. The first 2 years I didn’t even try to schedule a visit. That being said who knows maybe I would have landed all those players by week 4 or 5 any way. I have found that if you are gonna schedule a visit it better be all in as it max points on the player, or it’s absolutely useless.
Something to note with 4/5 of the non-commits in the visit save. They all committed to teams that beat you to the punch with the visit. Obviously not scheduling the visits appears to be the better option, but the visit is like a knockout punch. In my games, if you can get these prospects to top five by week two or three, then schedule all of them in weeks 3-5, you’ll get damn near 100%.
@@paytonknox4791 they’re still a net positive, just less “value” per hour than the alternative
You lose so many recruits by letting the computer schedule visits. I don’t get it…. Most every guy I lost on is because he visited somewhere else before me
@@workingman7587 because they spent more hours, that’s how it works lol. This was just a question of value per your hours spent.
Visit really only good when it’s a close race. It gives a one time bump. I maybe only use 2-3 visits a year if at all.
Hearing you out
@@FendlerYT also, I have a counter thought to your 18. I’m usually around 27-29. I know that makes me cut players, but there are always players who are 5 star or 4 gems normal or impact dev that won’t progress as very much. Maybe I’m just heartless but I cut soph(RS) and obvious fresh(RS) every season. It’s like the purge of slow dev players.
A follow-up question - how does this result compare against a case with the visit skill tree maxed out?
Put another way - how many skill points do you have to spend (read: waste) to make that tree actually valuable, relative to not visiting at all?
Good call on the (waste) bit lol. Sounds like we agree but I can not fathom a bigger waste of skill points than using that tree. Truly the worst option in Dynasty IMO. A good question indeed but not one I’m interested in answering lol
I went from losing out on a few guys every cycle to not losing a single target on 5 years of a random sim. Oregon ain't sticking it to me anymore! 😆
You also never know if the opposing coach has the perk that causes lost interest if the visit is before.. for online its a good ine to get if youre opponents aren't paying attention
@@PTracer921 hearing you out
Only use visits if you're behind or worried you won't land a particular recruit. Sometimes quality is better than quantity and the vise versa is true. Depends on your needs/strategy.
17 is the correct number to land every year and these are only 5 stars, so it's both quality and the correct quantity lol
A huge major problem is that visits even cost hours. If I'm in week 3 and schedule a week 5 visit it shouldn't cost me hours immediately or at all to be honest. And the last college football game the top schools with schedule a visit and then it would be based off team performance whether they met the goals for that game and that's how it should be and it gave them a great boost to their total points. Visiting this game are just useless
@@Tumbo8 totally agree bro
@FendlerYT u just got a new sub, also btw, im playing the game now and just had a recruit with 50 hrs send the house allocated to him, after 2 weeks only 2 interests revealed, both were red Xs wth is up with that
I feel visit are good when you’re not undefeated and you get a win against a decent opponent and the extra rep boost actually benefits you. If you’re winning every game, scheduling visit imo wouldn’t really benefit you and ofc if you’re losing every game don’t even bother. If you’re winning every game, hard selling should do the trick or send the house if the grades are bad and if you’re losing every game then do what you can.
I knew you was going to do a video on this you help me out alot even with the playbook Liberty very balanced I enjoy the game most because of it good lookin
Hell yeah right bro thanks for watching
I’m in a dynasty with my brothers and I just lost out on 6 recruits because my brother was able to schedule visits before me. I was leading on these recruits and pumping 80 hours into them and he straight jumped me because of the visits. I’m going to continue doing visits ASAP.
that's not why you lost the recruits
@@FendlerYT Neither of us had a pipeline advantage and you can't put more than 80 hours on a recruit. Maaaaybe grades were a little different but we're very similar schools and I've won the Natty the last 3 years.
@@07jimmymitchell you’re misunderstanding. They are still a net positive influence gain. Hours = influence. He won because he spent more hours than you, some of them were just suboptimal “visit” hours.
What we found here is there is less value per hour spent, as far as influence gained, from scheduling visits vs. not. They are not a net negative. They’re just not the best way to spend.
Starts video with I don’t want to bias. Then in every case that proves the no visit dogma is wrong arguing against it.
You can get away with no visits vs the CPU it just doesn’t work well against users.
The core of this dogma is bad because a visit = influence the question is the influence gained worth losing basically one week of hard sell or send the house on a lower tier target?
No one is saying you can’t land recruits without a visit obviously can.
@@DGHustla305 influence bars work exactly
the same way offline or online. More about guys like you who just want to be heard and you don’t like when your points aren’t as strong as you thought they were lol. Did you just learn the word dogma today my man
The correct answer is yes and no. A visit can definitely kill you if another close team has a visit before they commit to you.
Incorrect, there is only one answer to the question being asked here. Visits are less efficient than no visits. You can always break from efficiency to land your guys but that was not the experiment lol
@FendlerYT I'd say the experiment showed more so that some players need you to do a visit more so than it showed you don't as you even allured to at the ens of your video. Its a fun but not very conclusive experiment since different circumstances can effect results on a prospect. I.e. team successes, team status, team type etc. Its deeper than just surface level place hours here. Not much deeper but definitely a tad more.
@@thesuperpimpplaya1 they’re less efficient. You’re way over complicating it lol
@FendlerYT you're over simplifying it lol. They are only less efficient if it's a prospect that you have an advantage on. I guarentee you if a power school has a visit set before you and its a close race its GGs to that prospect they are out. I legit landed a class of about 23/24 5 stars. I'm not talking out my ass here lol. Ultimately it doesn't even matter because you can land more than enough prospects. Just saying those close ones a visit can make all the difference
I’m my 2nd year with Kentucky. I have landed 10 5 stars 6 games into the season…7 of them committed all at the same time and I think I had 5 or 6 of them on visits
@@ruthlessfitness8143 now imagine what you could have done without them lol
Before the visit I always hard sell and soft sell. The will commit right away the visit
@@mainemtg2511 unrelated but W lol
Visits are nice because they don't count against your hours for that particular recruit. I don't really care if they are better versus other options for other recruits I want to be able to juice a guy after I put the maximum amount of hours on them.
Good video and recently I stopped EXCEPT if in a close race and another top school schedules a visit you pop one in ahead of them and can win it. It is possible to get all 18 if you maybe just scheduled those 2 you lost. 80% of time, no visits is what I find
I lost even more when I did schedule visits so I’m not sure that’s the conclusion
While I agree that visits aren't useful once you reach the coach build showed in your recruiting YT videos, it's needed in the early stages of starting a coach from scratch. I've seen this several times first hand when trying for a recruit that I was in the lead for at the final three and the other teams have a visit scheduled and snipe them from me. I also have perfect hard sell and max hours spent and still get them sniped more often than not. Also if a player uses the strategist tree or hires an assistant with the strategist the visit plays a huge part. Just another thought process.
don't forget that spending those 40 to land the ONE guy is going to hurt the rest of your class by those same 40 hours. I think visits are actually even more detrimental to early programs with minimal hours because of their comparative inefficiency. But you definitely gotta go get your guys!
The only other control I would have done is make sure the other teams like in this case UNC, Miami, Georgia, Ohio State and make sure they won their visit week. Maybe in the non-visit save they lost when the recruit was visiting the other school which could have factored into the results of them coming to you.
Not saying that was the case but if I was testing this that's something I'd add when you see a rival school is about to go on a visit to force win that week like you did for your school.
That's a nitpick and really the only thing that could differ between the 2 saves.
I suppose but I don’t think it moves the needle the 2.5x it would need to to recover the difference you know? But I’m hearing you out
so then the goal is to just send the house until you discover their three "green" motivators and then hard sell them and walk away until they commit (or not)?
You don’t need to wait until 3. Watch “Hard Selling Early and When to Use It” for a more thorough explanation on how to get to it early
also... do you offer scholarship immediately after scouting them and removing any red gems?
@@MWAWoodworks yes and yes
@@FendlerYT ya I have hard sold after 2 greens if process of elimination makes it clear what the 3rd green will be
If I have extra hours and I'm in a tight race, I'll use visits. Otherwise, I don't use them anymore.
Dope video bro! Nice Ray Lewis jersey as well! lol
Appreciate it bro! One of the goats!
Accurate conclusion based on the results and the parameters used in this experiment. Visits are unnecessary for undefeated powerhouses since all the hard sell pitches are including multiple "A" graded interests. Switch the experiment to G5 doormat with a newly created coach fighting for a few 4 star players-and i think the conclusion changes. As discussed in a previous video-hard selling might not even be worth it because the only decent interest is "Proximity to home" for these programs. My assumption of the mechanic (40 hours for a visit, 40 hours for a hard sell) is that the visit would yield the same amount of base influence as the hard sell-but only calculated on the letter grade of the 1 interest selected for the visit. So instead of a weak hard sell, the visit gets me the influence of 1 perfect hard sell on proximity to home-plus any other bonuses i can string together on a week 4 home game against Ball State. So visits are trash...but still might be the best option when your school is trash.
@@TweederEndZoneDance both files got hard sells on the exact same set of grades. So it’s still an even comparison, they both had the same advantages. Conclusion would not change. Visit file got good hard sells too
@@TweederEndZoneDance and they’re even more notably wasteful for smaller schools
Fen you are the man 🤜🏼🤛🏼
@@dgriff723 takes one to know one bro!
It makes me so mad seeing so many creators using save points without issues while mine never load due to an error smh
Sorry to hear bro that’s annoying
Fendler can you make a video showing the coach and how you leveled up his recruiting abilities and do a step by step method of what you do each week of recruiting so we can see how your coach attributes help you land recruits. Ive watched your videos but i cant seem to land the level prospects
Another masterpiece
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Aye fellas quick question
Does transfer affect recruiting class grade or is it complete upon national signing day???
Cause I got the 3rd class and I wanna get the 2nd so bad
It sure does count brother. You still got life
@@FendlerYT bro I’m striving so hard for elite recruiter
Not every prospect needs a visit but some do..its usually the guys were the other school has a bigger pipeline boost.. i only schedule a visit if feel like the team is catching up or if he is about 2-3 weeks from committing. I will sneak a visit in before he commits to the other school and they sign on the visit.
Case by case sure but you’re also hurting the rest of the class, that’s kind of the point here
@@FendlerYT not every prospect needs max hours to sign either.. week 2 or 3 i focus on the guys who being recruited hard first by taking hours from the guys who are obviously coming. Once we get to a point were the bar is almost to the end of top 5 i will know if they need a visit.. prospects usually stay in top 3 stage for 2-3 weeks so that why i schedule toward the end of top 5 to get the visit in that 2-3 week window. Like in the video if u schedule the visit at the right time on the miami and unc guy u could have stoled them at the last min and thats how u go 18 for 18. Its only 2-5 guy per class u need to watch. Recruit the rest of the board like u did.
@@rodrickclaiborne if you’re doing this right the top 3 phase lasts one week, if that. Not sure about the Strat but as long as it’s working for you brother
I don't ever do visits, seems like a waste of hours. Maybe if you do all defense players for one visit and then offensive players on another, you might get an influence boost, but other than that, they don't need to visit...
@@buhtcheeks agree bro
Here’s what is overlooked about visits: It allows you to double up on a recruit with the visit bonus and whatever gain you get from your normal hours that week. It’s really that simple.
That’s not overlooked
Is anyone else leveling up and seeing the animation of coins going up but then you have no coins to spend when you come back to the main menu?
Imo visits are important because it can seal a recruit earlier (if you schedule visit early)but also it prevents another team from swooping in and stealing a recruit with an early visit especially in a mass USER league. But thats my personal exerience .
@@dr.mo7773 at the cost of the rest of the class. Just proving that they’re less efficient per hours spent
I only use visits if I have a week waiting on commit otherwise I don't use them.
@@mbedford20 reasonable
It's a finisher for winning tough battles for recruits. Not needed for all of the recruits, but also don't think it's right to say we shouldn't use it. Works better when you can line up multiple complimentary visits too.
I’m saying they’re not the most efficient use of hours. They’re still a net positive, so you should definitely be inefficient for guys you feel like you gotta have. This type of response kind of missed the point here
@@FendlerYTok but the experiment is flawed to give such a blanket statement. A recruiter who’s able to get extra hours beyond 50, has increased starting interest for a position group, and increased value to recruiting actions is going to have a different value for visits than a coach who doesn’t. Like the commenter said, visits help close in tight battles. The advantage of the recruiter tree is to get such a head start that there is no battle.
@@victorholmes7075 each group had the exact same advantages that you’ve listed since it was the same coach. Visits were worse. No clue why that hurts so many feelings lol
@@FendlerYT no hurt feelings over here. Your experiment was with the same coach who’s a good recruiter, right? If that’s the case then results are going to skew towards that coaches strengths aka not needing visits to land recruits. My point is that the experiment was not comprehensive enough (nor do I think a comprehensive experiment done by hand is feasible) to justify your conclusions. I agree that visits can easily be a waist of 40 but that doesn’t mean that the mechanic is trash or should be discarded as “inefficient”. It is a specialized tool. You may not always need an eyeglass screwdriver but you’ll be glad to have it when you need it.
@@victorholmes7075 waist is crazy lol. You’re not getting it. Each coach had the same advantages. They recruited the same way outside of the visits. You also aren’t understanding what I mean by efficiency. Per hour spent, you get more influence foregoing visits. That’s what we found here
before watching the vid, in my experience overall visits are good to solidify a commitment or for a last second flip a commit in your favor. but thats only very specific times
@@HurricaneStorm21 curious your thoughts afterwards but yeah not arguing that they’re a negative, just that they’re not the best available positive. Can definitely break from “efficiency” and reach for guys you feel you need
Are you going to do an update on if visits are still not good since the updates?
i know this method is very general but let’s say at a smaller school you are trying to get a 5 star and you have heavy competition. just doing regular hours can be very difficult against schools w/ better pipelines and if you want those players you kind of need to get that extra bit from the visits. i think when you are on a more level playing field this absolutely works but when you have less hours i feel like it’s best to go for best players and fill out the board afterwards with what’s left available.
i think that’s just a strategy tho for building a program. early years go hard after best players and once you get more hours you then go for a larger group of good players and apply this method to just be more efficient every year
Oh man idk brother, at a small school that’s a quick way to wind up with like 2-3 guys you actually want and then a bunch of bad players. Think it’s even more important as a small school to make better decisions than hyper focusing on just a couple studs
For sure, more just meant to be a rule of thumb than something to never do for any reason ever
I don't use the visit, hard sell, or soft sell. I just depend on getting the recruit or not.
@@DonShawn03 lol dude. Hard sell is the best way to get the recruit. You been doing this on hard mode lol
@FendlerYT Not really. I still pull 2 5 stars my last season.
@@DonShawn03 give it a try man, hard sell helps a lot
GREAT information & breakdown
@@rafiqmckinney4724 thanks for saying so man glad you enjoyed it!
Question: since you had 900 hours, and went after 18 recruits did you start off with send the house on all 18 then adapt to more and less time every week as needed? I always have trouble or second thoughts on when I should be taking hours away or if possible adding more hours. Thanks for the videos btw...GGs
@@westkoastlegend absolutely man! Started both that exact way. Then you refine things as you move along
I only use visits when I have plenty of hours left over cause I’ve committed most of my class. I’ll use them on recruits that im late to the party on
@@CKGolf77 yeah for throwaway hours you might as well
Love your stuff man it’s helped my dynasty big time!
@@CKGolf77 hell yeah man!!! Thanks for watching bro
I actually started thinking this was the case. When it was glitched and you couldnt always schedule visits i feel like i was landing more recruits. Even after it was fixed i just wasnt in the habit of scheduling every time so i started remembering to do it and i swear my recruits are dropping off like flies. I landed 18 recruits this season after winning 2 chips 😂
@@bilbo_gamez6195 what a haul, go crazy then bro
@@FendlerYT no that's 18 out of 35 my G 🤣
@@bilbo_gamez6195 still though, you’re gonna top out at like 22 5 stars max with a super overpowered coach so you’re most of the way there already
@@FendlerYT no not 5 stars either lol I mean my whole recruiting class. Even with rescouting 4 n 3 stars to replenish my list lol. Scheduling visits is absolute trash 🤣
Had two strategists with my assistants once I got them to the visit by week 4-5 I would sign 4 to 7 commits immediately. Only have 30 points in recruiter myself
Need way more in recruiter IMO. We did 16 on no visits by week 8 here
Thank you !
My pleasure thanks for watching!
I have to say that vs the CPU visits are not needed. But if you are playing vs friends or any online dynasty, you will lose out on recruits if you do not visit early. I have lost more recruits for not getting a visit in vs put one as soon as possible for the faster signing.
influence bars work exactly the same either way, offline or online. doesn't matter at all
@@FendlerYT I know but online as more recruiting coaches vs offline.
@@Texas_toast42 still doesn’t make a difference man
Yes it does matter when 2,3 or 4 ppl are maxing out their hours spending 60-80 to land the kid plus with all the other modifiers and bonuses top kids fly through their recruitment and commit by week 5.
The computer simply doesn’t recruit like that. And even if one school does they all don’t. And since the patch that requires them to recruit more players they spend even less hours.
@@DGHustla305 has nothing to do with efficiency which is the topic at hand here lol. It’s always more hours = more influence
For smaller schools trying to get 4 and 5 stars recruits visits are essential. If you’re a 4 or 5 star school just hard sell
@@justinthibodeaux6380 they’re even worse for small schools
@@FendlerYT not at all. They have been the difference in me landing a recruit or just getting destroyed by the bigger schools. That visit is sometimes the difference you need to jump over the bigger schools or to lock them in. Otherwise the bigger schools just come in late and vulture the guys you’ve been recruiting
All visits are not equal so it's difficult to know how to interpret this. If you bring in four complimentary recruits in the same week, they all get the big boost. Is it enough to merit 160 hours? Dunno! But it's way better than a bunch of no/low-boost visits for sure...
Even better than any of that is just skipping them lol
It might be play style or something based off stats. Without visiting and focusing on something that changed later for the recruits interest maybe it's better for certain recruits to not visit and pitch something you can't maintain. For example to go after an option qb but have pocket passing scheme. Your team is winning despite your style not matching the prospects interest. Maybe it is best to not pitch that player 🤷.
I’m not sure what you mean here brother
Try it with a popular destination and see if you get the same results.
Personally the visit’s that carry the most weight are off-season and it’s not very close especially after a winning season.
@@steveroughton6647 you mean transfer portal? That’s totally different lol
@@FendlerYT I mean just off-season recruiting in general. You know for early signing day. Those visits often end with a commitment for me at least. And it goes for 5 star programs and 1 star programs.
@@steveroughton6647 there is no offseason recruiting outside of transfer stage bro. That’s at the end of a season. There’s no one good left by then
do you think this is still the case in an online dynasty? Just for an example if you're putting 50 hours on a player and another user is putting 75 hours with a higher pipeline, Do you think the visit could give the boost needed to overcome the other user for that specific player?
Great video by the way! I've stopped on visits ever since you mentioned them in a previous video and recruiting got drastically better no matter what team I pick!
Definitely would! Just because they’re not the BEST use of hours doesn’t mean theyre not still a net positive, they certainly are. Just keep in mind that you are essentially taking away from the rest of the class when you have to make hours “reaches” like that!
And i think people forget that you need to win the game on visits or it will only make it worse
@@Owen004 also true
I quit using visits weeks ago
Felt useless just hard sell instead
Same
I don’t think you need them if you’re an elite recruiter but if you aren’t they do help seal the deal
@@Beaumont99 did you watch the video or
@@FendlerYT I did watch it.
@@FendlerYT I don’t think my statement contradicts your video. Lol.
@@Beaumont99 it’s pretty much unrelated
@@FendlerYT ok
I use visits for 5 stars only, and that first week they go into top 5 I bring them in for a visits… instant commits
@@khylera883 these were all 5 stars. You’d be doing even better without them brother
I don’t buy into dogma. No visit or visit It’s very situational. And there are just too many variables to say one should never do it.
Plus I play mainly online dynasty’s where users are just better at prioritizing getting the best players, freaks and generational talents. And every single advantage is needed.
Re: no visit strat online:
In an online dynasty I had a buddy on OU who did no visits. I had Texas and did visits. I won over 90% of our head to head battles for top recruits.
Always signed 11-12 5* and the rest 4*. Class size of 25-27.
Did I maybe miss out on a 4* possibly but in an online dynasty it’s more important to land the 6’6 WR with 95 speed and 97 jump or the speed rusher with platinum quick jump than it is to simply sign an extra 3 kids.
@@DGHustla305 typed so much bro lol. Yeah, when you spend hours you get more influence. Per hour, it’s less efficient than not visiting. So you won those guys bc you spent more hours. Not a mystery lol, they’re just always less efficient
Visits are Definitely needed when you need to seal the deal on a top prospect and you're not a high prestige team
@@Jsteve3230 even worse for lower tier teams.
I understand visits are not as valuable as 40 additional hours put into different recruits. But if you are going for ONE recruit in an online league, spending maximum hours, and put them on a visit, it has to be worth it, right?
@@nickdelaguila6050 absolutely on a singular basis. Then it’s just back to more total hours = more total influence. Which will always be true. Visits are still net positive influence gain on hours.
@@FendlerYT thanks for the reply big dawg! Loving the content!
Pulled 21 5* and a 290 class without a single visit
I think this isn't quite as accurate as it should be. I do think you did a valid experiment, but often times, there are guys that I don't need to schedule a visit because I'm way ahead already. But there always seems to be a few guys that I'm in a close battle at the beginning of Top 5 and that visit week 5 or 6 is huge. And losing that 40-80 hours doesn't set me back on the guys that I'm way ahead on. I think there is a mix of these terms you set up that lead to an actual optimal recruitment process.
On the whole though, I don't usually schedule visits because they are often times not needed.
@@spyrebel7612 yeah this was just a question of influence per hour spent but obviously visits are still a net positive so you should absolutely break from pure efficiency on a case by case basis for guys you feel like you really need
IMO visits definitely are not worth it. Literally had 20 5 star prospects on my board and got all 20 to sign using no visits.
@@gavinsfitnesszone5140 yeah once you get your coach juiced up it matters even less for sure
Ive always thought visits were whack (for the user). They seem to work great for the AI though.
@@KTBClub777 ai be cheating man lol
i only schedule visits if its a close battle
@@Wisconsonne they’re definitely still a net positive so case by case for certain
I can tell you …….. they don’t mater. At least for a 4+ star school. Bc of you I’ve been able to sign a lot of recruits (26 kids) this year and never did a school visit. Never. I may when I get to Transfers but not one visit during my season.
I’m fighting for top recruiting class as we speak. (1-2).
You might be cooking bro
Had 10 5 stars one class, florida, wouldn’t have done it without visits, if you gave strategist visits are OP
@@M1sunderstood_1 big waste IMO