2020 BMW S1000XR Review - Lessons Learned
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- 2020 BMW S1000XR Review - Lessons Learned: This is my in depth review of the new BMW S1000XR covering not only the good things I've learned about the bike but the not so good things too - I even get Mrs Flyer to tell us what it's like to ride as a passenger. If you're interested in the 2020 BMW S1000XR then this video is for you!
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Great to hear the pillion perspective from Mrs Flyer. You are one of the very few to have mentioned pillion comfort in your reviews. Thanks for that.
really good to hear from Mrs Flyer. not enough reviews give passengers perspective.
Looking forward to the Goldwing review
Stay tuned - lots coming on that beast!
@@TheMissendenFlyer I take it this is a reference to the Goldwing and not your good, lady wife?
Thanks for a great final wrap up for the review series, Andy. Enjoyed them all.
My pleasure!
Excellent review, as always, and I appreciate that you bring in Mrs. Flyer for the passenger perspective--she clearly knows her stuff when it comes to bikes, and like you, she gives an insightful, to the point opinion. Much appreciated, and all of us appreciate the two of you--ride safe, and we look forward to the next one!
Many thanks!
Thanks to Mrs Flyer for that perspective. As we ride two up mostly these days very useful.
100% agree with your review! I had one for the day when my 9t was in for some work, it was an absolute weapon and just goded you into riding harder and harder. The angry attitude started to do my head in after a while. Whilst it is amazingly capable it just has no chill about it whatsoever! Great bike but I'm with you on team "not for me". Keep up the great work dude!
Oh and you're missing a trick, your good lady should be called Mrs-den Flyer surely! 😁
Just passed my unrestricted a license at 33 y.o. Waiting for delivery on a 750gs. Largely inspired to do it by your tour vids. Thanks. Can’t wait to have my own adventures!
Welcome to biking Norxman!
Dear TMF - Thanks for great review again, and the most brilliant thing in this video was having Mrs.Flyer giving a passenger review that was brilliant TMF absolutely brilliant. More of that please.
Yours Sincerely
The Danish Viking.
Brilliant!
Nice balanced review as always .good to have input from pillion Mrs missfly as well
Love the outtakes! So fun!
Great to hear Mrs Flyer's feedback, well done :-)
love the 2 up reviews!
I like the bloopers at the end. Thanks for sharing your wife's point of view. That XR is so tall.
Just what we want, a real world opinion of experience of bikes. Very useful to any potential buyer.
very good review, with everything we don’t want to hear ! i do appreciate most of your videos
Thank you Pascal!
Your the first place I go when I want to get a snapshot on a bike. Nice one Andy!!
As always a good review and special thanks to Mrs. Flyer for her insights.
Our pleasure!
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Thanks a lot Andy! This bike is quite interesting... Maybe I should go for a test ride.
Very interesting review. I'm not in the market for a big beast like that, but still informative. Absolutely brilliant to hear from Mrs Flyer and her thoughts on the bike.
Cheers Cliff...
Great Review and good to hear from a passenger prospective
Thank you!
@@TheMissendenFlyer You know your supposed to be the grab handle! That's why they make those handles hard to get too! Liked her quick to the point review.
I own my self a 2018 XR for the last 14 months with 14,000 miles later and can only share good impressions. This is so far the best bike I ever owned in terms of handling, braking, performance. Remember this is not your usual touring bike but a super bike dressed up in a up right position.
True
Interesting point of view. What about vibration? I tested one in 2018, and although I loved the performance, I didn't buy it just because the vibration
@@reduardocc On my 2018 vibrations weren't that bad. After that bike I got an RR however I am currently selling the RR for another XR. It is just a better bike for me. Today I was riding a newer XR and there are no noticeable vibrations. Ride safe my friend.
Thank you for the great review. Adding the passenger comments was much appreciated. I WAS considering this bike or K1600B as a retirement gift to myself. I'm only 5'7" so the 33" seat height would be a stretch for me. My wife particularly payed attention to your wife's comments about passenger accommodations . My wife is 5'2" so I would have to lean the bike towards her for her to get on the bike. Which might end up in tragedy lol. The K1600B is a heavier bike but much lower bike and weight is lower down in the frame. Thank you for making up my mind. 👏👏
Cracking little round-up. I was blinded a little by the performance over my old GS,this brought me back to ground level again.
Well a test ride is one thing (“wow what a beast!”) - actually living with it (that seat, that short stand, the weight, the vibes) another....
Always good to hear a pillions point of view 👍
Another great review, many thanks!
Re vibrations- Yes, yes! I went back to BMW and told the salesman, he looked at me like I just got off the boat. Angry engine- Same here, not stress free. Thin seat- what were you thinking BMW. These three things made me decide it wasn't the tourer I was looking for. Nice pillion review "Mrs Flyer" ;-)
Thank you for watching once again!
tourer?
Good review. Really wanted to love this bike but you are spot on: poor fuelling at very low speeds , that seat, and the vibration at 120 kph, about 4.5k revs and way too much plastic. Go again BMW. & nice to see the missus. Good quality review. Well done. J
Great review. It might be worth checking if this model has the 'low seat' option because the downside of making these an inch lower is reduced padding in the seat. With an inside leg measurement of 30inches I am aware of the compromise this option has. This might also account for more noticeable vibrations you are feeling at 70mph?
Cracking review. Not totally put off. Got the Honda 2019 ATAS at the mo and looking at the market when upgrading.
Watching from South Africa 🇿🇦 really enjoy your vids 👍
Thank you!
Interesting review, thanks. A small point, but it's easy to get rid of the massive "REFUEL NOW" warning message on the TFT. A simple left push on the whizz wheel and it's gone.
If only I'd worked that out!!!
Good to see a review not affraid to list the things they didn't like. For me the key thing for a touring machine is seat comfort and that bike looks like it would lock the rider into one position on that hard thin seat. On short test rides seat comfort is difficult to judge but has a major impact on how nice the bike is to own long term.
I took one of these out for 2 hours and found it pretty comfortable tbh but my wife on the back had abit of numbness. The seat does hold you like a bucket seat but there is room to move front to back and abit from side to side. I tried the standard seat on the demo and the comfort seat in the showroom and the standard seat is much better than the comfort seat on my current bike (mt10). The bmw comfort/high seat has 20mm more padding for rider and pillion and felt lovely as soon as i sat down. I wonder if the hard stock seat is abit of a ploy to sell the comfort seat.... even though i was offered one for free if i did a deal on the bike at the time.
@@CeeRTee Interesting you mention the comfort seat on the MT10. I've owned an MT10 for four years and find the stock seat really comfortable. Loads of folks on the MT10 FB groups hate it. That's why really before buying you need ideally a day with the bike, something most dealers won't give you.
I’d defo go for the comfort seat!
Great review as usual and it’s was great to see Mrs TMF again. And I enjoyed he honestly when you ask her the questions. Sadly this bike is not for me I’m afraid it’s too high and a bit clumsy to move around in tight places. But that said they are one hell of a bike and they come with all the bells and whistles. Thank you TMF
Our pleasure!
Good review as always. I'm looking at a tourer and have admired the Kawasaki Versys 1000. Have you had any experience on this model? The part I like is that it is a 4 cylinder with all the bells and whistles. Be interested to know your thoughts.
Brilliant review but love when you show the Bloopers 🤣🤣🏍🏍
excellent review mate,, hope to ride it some day.... cheers from mexico.
Cheers!
I really appreciate Mrs. Flyer's opinion as it gives me an idea of what a bike is like from a position I don't occupy.
An unhappy pillion is not a good thing on a long trip.
Maybe there's a new video opportunity for the ever expanding TMF empire 🤗🤗
Cheers Shane....
Andy, Very good review as always.
Many thanks!
I only noticed the integrated taillight when I saw one on the road. I'm not sure how I feel about it. What I am sure about is, I'm glad BMW made it so expensive to change to a new one from my 2017 as it helped me make my decision. If they had of just given a few minor styling changes and a TFT it might not have bumped the price up so much, but they did and I didn't :(
Excellent review, Mr. and Mrs. Fly! First pillion rider review I've seen, brilliant...so no " Vorsprung durch Technik". here?, perhaps... besides Anger Management Awareness to ride this bike it does seem like a lot of fun!!! ;-) Cheers TMF! ...you gotta have the bloopers! :-)
Oops, I stand corrected...Mr. And Mrs. Flyer!
Nice review Andy 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Great review, like always, thanks !
My pleasure!
Its nice to hear a pillion point of view, what a nice addition to your reviews, im loving the outakes at the end.. also my wife says you look better with that stubble. Lol
Ooh hello - is she a good judge of attractiveness??
@@TheMissendenFlyer indeed
Great review!
Fantastic long term review as only TMF can do!
Thank you kindly!
Excellent review and as many have said, good to hear a passengers point of view.
Cheers Paul
Really helpful having the passenger comments....
Interesting review from a pillion perspective. I own an 2020 S1000XR and my wife's only complaint as a pillion, compared with our old bike (2016 R1200R with "comfort" passenger seat), was the seat. It's wider and longer on XR than on our old bike, but much harder and triangularly shaped (narrows to the back), making its edges dig into pillion's bum :) The rest - pillion ergonomics, stability etc she says that it is much better on an XR.
Same goes for me as a rider. Seat could definitely be more comfortable, and that's basically my only complaint. Well, maybe less heat from the engine at city speeds would be nice too. It cooks my legs at the moment I slow down, especially if I'm wearing jeans...
I don't think that OEM "comfort" seat is much better, so I will probably add some more padding inside of it or get some seat pads. Or replace it entirely with an aftermarket and more comfortable one
Great video. It would be nice to hear from your wife the best bikes up there from a passengers prospective. You never seen videos about that. Mostly the riders in focus. Maybe an upcoming video about that with some suggestions of brands. Thanks
Good idea! Need to get a few more passenger miles under our belts and we’ll work on it!
Great review cracking machine
Awesome review from the Mrs!
I'll let her know!
Really appreciate Mrs' Flyers impressions. Tell her thank you!
Done!
Just ordered mine for March, Triple Black, can not wait.
Congratulaions!
Since we ride 2 up a lot I appreciate Carol’s views nice addition this would be a fairly major factor in me considering any new bike.
Cheers Richard...
Love your video. Do keep continue to ft Mrs. Flyer for pillion point of view. And I do hope to see more feedback in terms of engine heat. Eg can the rider and pillion feel the heat from the engine on slow traffic situation to make it unbearable to ride on a hot summer day.
Great Review! Great bike!
Thanks, nice review. If I was 20years younger this would be a contender. At my age I'd prefer not to wrestle the machine out my garage, then I'd rather prefer the Yammy 900GT.
Great review and video as always! Thank you for that!
One of the reasons why i didn't buy a S1000XR (the old one) was the engine! xD I love this engine, i own a 1st gen. S1000R and i absolutely love this machine. But this inline four cylinder loves high rpm. It's always hungry for more. The higher, the better! It forces you to rev up all the time and that is not a thing i want on a touring bike. ... another reason was the chain! ;) So i bought a R1200GS Adventure (40000km in 2 years now xD) in addition to the S1000R and i'm absolutely happy with the two bikes i own now!
Glad we concur!
@@TheMissendenFlyer absolutely!
Great review Andy a very balanced appraisal thanks
Glad you enjoyed it
Should have your own show. Always good reviews
Thank you very much!
Just took advantage of your Speedo Angels code to get a protector for the new Tiger 900GT. I reckon I'll be getting a LiteLock and probably a Monimoto too. So thanks for the codes/affiliate links, Andy!
You’re welcome!
Excellent review .
Thank you!
Good summery video TMF.
😂😂😂👌loved the outtakes Quality 👏🤙
Blimey Andy, watch out, Mrs Flyer is going to put you out of a job with reviews like that! Good job :-)
Wouldn't that be good!
Really good video. I’m contemplating this bike although I may wind up with the 24 MXR… one question for you, what is the name of that lock that you have for your garage door? The safety bar that runs across the entire width I really like that.
I must say I didn’t notice the vibes, but I do agree with you about the rear light and side stand. My only grip really is the extra cost if you choose the red one.... not sure why red ( faster) paint is extra... nice to hear from the manager too... @threesixmoto
Thanks for the honest review. 👍
No problem 👍
Very angry was my exact words when I tried this bike. I would be interested in your opinion on the BMW Connect app for turn by turn nav on the TFT.
Excellently put by Mrs Flyer 😁
Thank you kindly
Another great series of reviews, thanks TMF. I enjoyed your comparison video when you compared your GS to the new Tiger 900 GT Pro, how do you think the Tiger compares to this S1000XR?
I'd have the Tiger - less eager to make you lose your licence, more comfy and less of a weight to lug around...
Brilliant to hear from the pillion as well. Cheers!
Seems to have gone down well!
I think you forgot to mention the fantastic wind protection for the rider when screen is in higher position. I did test if the bike has vibrations at around 120km/h and they are there but I don't know if they would bother me after some time, seemed like they wouldn't, my passenger felt the same. Not sure if every bike has the same level of vibrations or it depends from peace to peace, though. 😀 For me, as a sensitive rider, I liked it and ordered one (the same as this one you tested). I hope to be satisfied with long term riding. Nice video. 👍
Hey, what about finding neutral? Is it difficult?
@@marekmach3896 i sold it some time ago, but as i remember it was okay to find it.
Great review but the vibration seems to be a big issue......stay safe......thanks for sharing
Excellent summary of the bike. Great insight from Mrs Flyer, a welcome evaluation from the pillion. Is she on wages or are you doing the washing up for a week Andy? LOL
I’m on a lifetime of washing up and trust me she is very well compensated 😉
Good review, would agree on vibration, they are a revvy engine, I love mine (18) model, tried the latest one last week, I was disappointed found the seat more uncomfortable than mine, it seemed heavier especially when straightening up off the side stand, and it didn't seem any quicker. But liked the improved dash and it seemed quieter than mine, I just love that performance, handling, gearbox and brakes, I used mine mostly two up and no complaints from the passenger, you do need a mortgage to buy the luggage though.
Thanks for watching and for stopping by!
Great review, Andy.
Thanks!
TheMissendenFlyer Having had my S1000XR for 5 years, I’m seriously considering chopping it in for a 2020 model, so your review on the new one are most interesting. I think you’re spot on in your review. Great also to have Mrs Flyer’s review, which is a perspective often overlooked. Keep up the good work.
Love the bloopers
Glad you liked’em! Cheers....
Another good review !
Glad you liked it!
Nice video, nice to see Mrs. Flyer coming through as well, have you done one of these for your GS? I think you should run Mrs. Flyer through all your reportoire :P
On the S1000XR, be honest! Vibration... can be fun hahahahahha ^_^ Also, if it vibrates at 70 - dont go at 70 :P up or down, plenty to choose from ^_^ The GS also vibrates!
All very true....
Only if BMW Canada allows motorcycle instructors and Motovloger borrowed press bike. Great video 👍🇨🇦
Cheers!
Enjoyable review as ever.
Had to laugh when the lovely Mrs Flyer said it was great at low speed- exactly the opposite of what you said 🤣🤣🤣
Rider v passenger perspective!
Hi there! You mentioned you didn't like the topcase. Why is that? Thanks for the honest review
I do like the introduction of the passengers POV....
As Mrs M was a motorcyclist, she had a critical eye on both issues, from the bike itself and from being the passenger. The one thing she bemoaned at the most... the size bikes were becoming. The difficulties of getting on, remaining on and long term comfort. Many factors that we as the main rider wouldn’t normally consider.
So, a damn good point, good review, like you, i’ll stick to the boxer unit for mostly the same reasons!
And... Mrs M’s favourite bike for both riding and being a passenger? RD350LC.....bizarre choice.
Nice one!
Another great review mate, also good to get the thoughts of Mrs Flyer (particularly wearing that nice blue top :-). Out of curiosity if you had to buy either the S1000XR or a Multistrada 1200S DVT, which would it be?
Multistrada!
Although you mentioned that the top box 'wasn't very good' it's the same one as on my F900XR and certainly accommodates a full face helmet and one or two trinkets. Build quality is pretty good so were you thinking of something else that you were unhappy with beyond the back rest?
I'll take what you said on board TMF, I didn't like the original launch version I do love how this looks so am eager to try it out when the service on the RS.
Andy, what sports tourer would you recommend with 17" wheels, and an engine capacity in the region of 900-1000cc?
2:53 I remember the review of that blue beast not so long ago, now it’s just cast aside covered in grass clippings and forgotten about...
I really enjoyed the review, especially the Mrs flyer section... one obvious question for you and Mrs F is would you have the S1000Xr or R1250GS? Cheers Neil
Stay tuned Neil - video from both of us coming in that subject soon!
Really like the review and the pillions perspective of the bike. The fact it's a 7 out of 10, got me thinking what bike / bikes does Mrs Flyer rate as top notch. I'm interested as I'm looking to get another bike aside from my sports bike for me and the wife to go out on.
Coming soon!! Stay tuned!
Hi mate, did you get the same vibes at 70mph in fifth? Good review, keep up the hard work. 😁
I can’t honestly remember - I’m sure I would have mentioned it if it was significant
Who was wearing the adventure helmet? Could the sun visor be a contributing factor to the Mrs's head vibration and difficulty in turning her head?
When I'm on my older XR in an adventure style helmet it causes issues like she was complaining about and found it was due to the helmet more than the bike, and being up higher than the rider I would think it would possibly be worse.
I have a test ride booked for Friday. I’ll be getting the ‘double high seat’ if I buy one because I have 37 inch inside leg and want extra comfort. I’ll report back to see if this helps with reducing vibrations.
great , balanced review. how do you think it compares to the Multistrada DVT?
I prefer the multi personally - but Ive not ridden one recently so need to have another go!!
How’s the engine heat ?Great review sir 😍
Didn’t notice any issues...
Another quality review. Now that you have rode the 1000 and 900 XR versions which would be your preference?
Personally I’d probably take the 900 - easier to live with and less likely to lose my license - less bragging rights at the pub though!
Joking aside, Mrs flyer top review, she covered all the aspects that a pillion wants to know, I've never been on the back for 40 years, I won't take a pillion either due to an accident that happened, not me a friend, not the riders fault but it cost a life, He's haunted till this day, usual story he didn't see him. Anyway cannot wait till the lovely Carol launches her channel TWOTMF, obviously The Wife Of TMF ! get onto it ! see who gets the most subscribers ? Great work as usual . If she launches with that I want the royalties
You must be in marketing - TWOTMF is a master stroke!
I'm lucky enough to have three bikes, if I could only keep one it would be the XR, it just does everything with ease, it does vibrate but so does my K1600 it doesn't bother me at all, the seat is rock hard, but my bum never hurts? Some days I potter about at 30mph on single track roads and it's a joy, in town it flicks about like a 250, wind it up on the Twisties and it's a rocket ship, crazy fast! Inspires confidence, to beat it on the track you would have to be a very, very fast rider to pass it, look at Cuban rider. Carried luggage on the motorway and just cover huge milage 700 , 800 miles a day just isn't a problem and it's light enough to take off road on green lanes. Most of all, it makes me grin like a 10 year old.
Good stuff Jonathan - enjoy and thanks for watching....
Sounds exactly like my Yamaha Tracer 900GT
Great review. I'd say, if you've only ever had sports bikes and your pillion wants something more comfortable than a postage stamp sized pad and stupid high pegs, then your pillion will be very happy with an XR and the rider won't feel like their missing out on much. If, however, your pillion tries a more dedicated touring bike first.....
For me, the XR sounds like a buzzy, licence loosing nightmare that would give me a hernia getting out of the shed.