Regarding motorcycles and vibrations: I've owned 4 motorcycles now in 3 years' time. Suzuki C50T, Kawi VN900D, Kawi Versys 1000LT, and now Tiger 1200 XRx. All were purchased new excepting the Suzi. They all vibrated at certain RPM/Speed combos. On my Tiger, at 6K RPM and 80+MPH, the mirrors are unusable due to vibrations, but the bum and hands are ok. I'm sure lots of folks think their bikes are smooth as silk at all times, but I suspect a reality distortion field is strong in them.
Same here, just bought bike 35,the S1000xr and its vibration is at a narrow band that doesn't bother me, the comfort of this compared to my part bike is great, easy to move out of the shed for me, I'm 5 10 and 90kg so maybe like this fellow says, just a personal issue
I really like your reviews on the new XR.I have a F900XR and took the S1000XR out for a test ride last week Saturday (I Have owned the previous generations of the S1000XR). After watching your videos I decide to try the new S1000XR ,and I can happily say that I part exchanged my F900XR for the new S1000XR last week after I done the test ride. The 900XR is a brilliant bike I had it for 6 months now and done over 5000miles on it , but the new S1000XR just gives you that WOW, happy felling when you ride it!!! Thanks to you Andy I bought the new XR, and I can't wait for it to arrive.Hopefully I will get it end September! Thank you for all the reviews.
I have the old model. This bike loves to cruise between 6 and 7 k, so at 130 kmh i just leave it in 5th. I then have a fantastic responsive bike with great sound and no vibrations and the fuel economy is not that much different. I must admit this is my first bike so i cant compare. 10k kmss in 4 months now commuting to Brussels
i ride the model 2016. Love the Jekyll and Hyde character: smooth cruising at low rpm and then when the conditions allow it, you you let go of the beast, roaring with the speed of rracemonster. A beautiful crying exhaust. Its a versatile gem.
I ride a 2015 model. Love it, and like you said: "it makes it difficult to ride legally". It is a beautiful looking machine and I still get compliments from car owners and even other bikers.
I have a 2015 too, with 64,000km. Love it, it is my 'therapist'. Can't find a reason to replace it. I commute and tour on it. Great all rounder. Provides that grin that Andy talks about.
Bum trauma now there's a start to the day.... i think I'm definitely sold on the bike after two test rides... thanks for the very in depth reviews TMF absolutely excellent as always...
I've had 2 XR's and I think you are fairly spot on. They are brilliant to ride anywhere, touring, daily blasts etc and the vibrations disappear in a few days of ownership. However - I would also add cost of ownership. They are expensive to buy, eat tyres at £250 a go and only get 120 miles to a tank ridden "properly". Some of the MK1's suffered from dodgy camshafts so you would never own one without a BMW warranty. Also, I am 58 with 15 years + no claims bonus, live in a decent postcode with no convictions or accidents and Hastings insurance wouldn't insure me because their underwriters don't like the bike, so I had to get "dearer" insurance elsewhere. I loved mine but just couldn't afford to keep riding one.
Thanks for the real world feedback Mark - BMWs can be expensive to run can’t they (I’ve learned that with my GS too).....fabulous machines though they are!
I own the 2016 model. The vibes were bad at first but improved with some bar end weights and lead fishing weights (readily available here in Alaska) in the handlebars. I don't notice the vibrations at all now until I ride one of my other bikes and then get back on the XR. I purchased the KTM 1290 SD GT this year and I think the vibrations are more noxious on that bike than on the XR. However, the fun factor on both bikes far outweighs these little issues. If I wanted to be completely comfortable, I probably wouldn't be riding. If I was going for several thousand miles though, the GSA would definitely be my choice. Great review. Thanks for all the work you put into these videos.
I've owned many GS's over the years and just sold my '18 GSA and purchased a beautiful 2020 S1000XR... BEST BIKE I'VE EVER OWNED! Smiles by the miles, hands down a better riding and performing motorcycle. It is FAR LIGHTER than a GS, and despite what reviewer says, is FAR EASIER to move around than a GS - easier to get on/off centerstand, and light and easy to move around compared to the GS. Been riding for 50+ years, owned many, many bikes - this is the best road bike I've ever owned - period. Vibs worst at 70 to 75, but not bad at all, and every other speed completely not present at all (will notice at 70 if wrongly in 5th gear). Brakes are awesome, ride/handling awesome, electronics are awesome, bike is put together extremely well. Will be putting a Russel Daylong seat as there is NO STOCK seat worthy of keeping on any bike, IMO. But cup seat is superior, especially for acceleration forces that will make you smile every time you ride it. Actually for the price can't believe they can sell such high tech for that. Zero percent financing right now makes it a no brainer.
BTW, bike is split personality... a smooth joy for normal riding plenty of torque for normal situations... but get it above 7,000 RPMs and it turns into a complete carnival ride. Super fun, handles power immaculately well.
Thanks for sending in your opinions on the bikes Nathan, clearly I completely disagree with you but your opinion is as valid as mine! All the best and enjoy the bike!
TMF, we have something in common = wives who don’t like the XR. As for ‘restraint’ on bikes with ‘performance potential’ it will always be a challenge, especially for anyone doing comprehensive road tests or reviews. You should do IAM or RoSPA training = it’s not a magic wand solution but does help, and could make interesting TH-cam content (even if you fail the advanced test!).
I owned the 2016 model XR and traded it for a MultiStrada 1260. Far happier with the Duc, mostly because of the engine. Both handle great, are super comfortable and have loads of electronics. But the Multi throws power everywhere in the rev range. The XR was anemic and boring at anything below 80 mph. I think that’s why it “eggs you on to go fast”. It’s so uninspiring at low speed that you break the law to keep it fun. And yes the Multi doesn’t have the XR vibration issue, but I did over 20K miles on my XR and quickly learned to avoid floating at 5K on the rev counter and it became a non-issue. Both bikes proved super reliable in my hands - another nice touring feature. Think you can’t really make a bad choice between the 2, but to me at least an inline 4 is the wrong engine for this style of bike - not enough low end grunt. Another great review - thanks for your awesome content!
Mr.Flyer, have you ever ridden a honda cbr 1100 xx? is the bmw 1600 as fast?.fjr1300 is not.it seems nothing else compares ?the gixxer and 14r are getting choked out.i appreciate the quality of your vlogs. thank you.enjoy the ride!
If you don’t want vibes.... buy a Kawasaki Versys 1000 SE Grand Tourer. In addition, the list price of the Versys will include all those « optional extras » you had to add to your 1000XR to bring it up to anywhere near the same spec.... the value of which will disappear when you go to trade it in.The Versys SE GT list price is £16299. Using the online BMW « configurator », to bring it near to the Versys SE GT, I got the XR price up to £17,455 without trying too hard. But the trade-in or resale value will always be based on the basic list price of £14,285. Plus, the Versys is tuned for low down, evenly spread torque, not bhp bragging rights and ludicrous top speed. So instead of fighting to keep it under control as you did, the power is just what you want, when you want it, and is all that you need but manageable and user-friendly. PS I bought my Versys 1000 SE GT in August 2020 and I’m still smiling!
Hello Andy, your comment on the XR really makes sense to me, if the bike is fast I tend to ride really quick. The only solution for me is not to buy one because I cannot trust myself!
I've put 1,200,miles on my 2023 now. M model w/ Akrapovic exhaust & forged wheels. 55 year-old sport bike rider... not sure there's a better old-man's sport bike out there! ZX-6,ZX-7,ZX-9, SV-650, ST-1300 (mistake), FZ-1(lovely), FJ-09(now the tracer). Once the factory unlocks the 8,000rpm redline at 600 miles, this beast really wakes up. Glad to have wheelie control for those 2nd gear, 9,000rpm pulls! The brakes are fantastic. Either the 5,500rpm buzz is getting better, or I'm getting used to it. There are better tourers out there, but not better old-man sport bikes! I have a semi-rigid soft bag strapped to the back & an MRA windscreen. Expecting my 1st ticket any time now 🙄
TMF... you make a very valid point regarding the livability of the XR. I used to own a K1600GT and did a fair bit of touring on it where it was fantastic. However, other than for longer tours, it sat in the garage as it was a pain to move around, at over 700lbs! Eventually I swapped it out for a GS which works well for touring and its much easier to live with on a daily basis.
I looked at this bike along with the F900 and the F850 GS I am 6foot tall and with 14.5 stone and I still found it a heavy bike to get off the stand. In the end I went with the F850 GSA this is still a heavy bike but is more comfortable to ride. As my last point, I agree with everything you say about it for the passenger i wont be carrying one but still good info
Great honest review, once again. I am taking the leap, switching to a 2017 XR coming from a 2013 Multistrada 1200S. I do recognize your points of 'criticism' but I still think it's the better bike for me after test riding the MTS1200DVT, the Superduke GT (2016 model), the MTS950 and the 1290 Super Adventure S. The XR just feels more 'connected' for me with everything that's happening under those 17" wheels. But I will have to keep an eye on the speedo as you already mentioned 😬😬😇
I got a speeding fine the first month of ownership of mine in 2015, sold and went back to a GS. Currently on a speed twin but think a GS may find its way back into my garage soon
suggestion, a vlog on RS1250 v S1000XR pros and cons, interested to hear your views (as they caused me to buy my first liquid cooled GS, now on my 3rd:)
Are the headlights still symmetrical when they are on? I mean both sides light up for short beam or long beam; or one side short beam other side high beam? I have symmetry obsession :)
Yes they are - always wear bike specific kit. Unfortunately I’m not able to view the video at the moment and check which they are...but I will have mentioned them before and will again in future so stay tuned!
So... if you were changing the GS, and not allowed the GS or GSA, but ordering a Bmw, would you choose either the S1000XR or R1250RS for real world everyday riding and touring ?
I've found my 2020 XR', is not the best at downshifts using the quickshifter. Also I find that putting the bike into rain mode around town/city really smooths out the throttle response.
I think your verdict it is pretty much bang on. When I replied before I think XR is great off main roads and not so good on due to vibes and also low gearing in 6th! Also the price with extras is a lot. My thoughts are to spend the difference on an Aprilia RS660 and keep my GS for Commuting and longer rides. Another great vid!
Vibration is BMW being lazy. Dealer told me to put big bar ends on and fill the bars with sand. Sorry for £15k plus bike, BMW you should sort this. KTM does not vibrate, nor does the Multistrada. Look elsewhere.
Would you consider doing a used bike review? How about my 08 Gsx650F vs new opposition. Do you spend all of your own money or go on a pcp deal for a newer bike?
Good review and still love my 2017 XR, do you think having the side panniers and top box didn’t help lugging the bike in and out of the garage with the weight. Never had luggage so I can’t comment specifically hence asking you. I can’t remember if you have all the top box set all the time on your GS, and would you leave It on if you owned it and didn’t tour every day?
Great review, that's why I sold my sport bike a few years ago. I was always breaking the speed limit and 1000cc sport tour bikes are boring to ride slow.
Great reviews, watched them all. I test rode the old model and loved riding it but agree the front end was ugly. Which do you prefer between this and the KTM 1290 Superduke GT?
For me, who is a millennial, I do aspire for a big capacity bike, but the price is what limits me. All I want TC and ABS and good power, more bang for the buck.
Re the vibes.... I've owned 2 of the older version (the more vibey) and yes it vibrates. But to me that's part of riding a motorbike. It's never unbearable and in a way reminds me I'm riding a beast of a bike. The handling and the power are amazing as is the 50 to 53 mpg I almost always achieve. Drops to about 36 ish on the rare occasions I cane it for any period of time. And I prefer the look of the older version. Like everything, a lot of it comes down to personal choice 👍
Hello, I need to replace my chain & spockets soon for my honda hornet and don't know what's a good brand to go with, any suggestion would be appreciated.
It might not be comfortable for you older gentlemen/women, but, this is the best bike I ever driven. Seat is quite simple, go to a reupholster shop, have them install a 3 layer memory foam, and you’re good to go. Doesn’t cost much, $200 usd for us, and the vibration get 1lb bar Ends.
Good review Andy. For me the bike is too red and plastic. I would also be wary of the seat on long rides (although haven’t had a test ride so could be ok). How does it compare with the Tiger 900?
Fair and truthful review as we come to expect Andy, I had one on loan and liked it however it would be a licence loser ,vibrations weren’t to bad and regards the seat I found the longer you rode it the less uncomfortable it was although easily replaced if it was that bad.
DeadHead indeed, but for me, a lower revving twin is a more sedate and easier to ride long distances than a revvy four. I know twins can be fast, my normal road bike is a Morini Corsaro 1200 Veloce. It ain’t much good for touring though......storage space is definitely limited! 😂😂
@@SteveInskip TMF probably right you'd feel inclined to ride faster on the XR over something like the RS/GS which makes sense when the engine is pulled from the RR with some tweaking.
lugging it around. As you say side stand will not help. The GS might be heavier, but as I understand the natural low weight of the boxer twin means you're going to have a lot of leverage on the bars. I guess the inline 4 holds its weight higher up, thus less leverage.
Vibrations: Ufdah, I've been reading about them and talking with guys about vibrations since the '70's and in general terms the only conclusion I could come up with - high frequency vibes are bad, low frequency vibes are; at best - good. At worst, not a bad thing. Then you have folks that don't want any (starting with the original Goldwing owners) and those that want the big power pulses of a mighty V twin or steam engine. Everyone seems to dislike the chainsaw vibration high frequency ones though, which you seem to be describing at certain points in the rev range with the S1000XR (and my CB1100 does at certain rev ranges, but with such a low amplitude that I don't feel it all the time). Character is also a funny attribute. For me, on long rides, I want lots of comfort and no character - or as little as possible. Short rides through the twistie bits character can be a plus but I have yet to ding a bike because it lacks character. However; when it comes to people I do prefer some character. :^) That said, it's nice to have ridden enough bikes you KNOW which ones will be a good fit for YOU and which ones, as nice as they may be, are simply a poor fit. I sense a shift in my life where the Goldwing, once a brass ring to strive for, is sliding into the "poor fit" catagory - before I've even had a chance to own one. :(
I’m curious why you consider it too hooligan and yet you own a Panigale 899 & a Speed Triple. How do you compare it to those bikes, or did you sell them?
I did notice in your initial XR video that you were riding with a bit more “zest” than normal ( or at least what were are allowed to see ! ) and as you say the bike does make you feel like you have god like skills . This bike is different to many other rides………most bikes are easy to ride at normal speed but need skill to ride fast , whereas the s1000xr is the other way around. Its very easy to ride fast and safe , but needs a different skill to ride it normally and in a relaxed touring way. My tips for riding this bike ‘bit’ slower and for distance touring are…. Don’t use the quick shifter all the time! just clutch it through the gears. The bike has plenty of torque low down so Short shift either 1st -3rd-6th or even 1st -4th -6th It works for me and gives me the perfect bike …………..nuts one minute and the next , sort of relaxed when I want it
On the issue of getting it up off the kickstand: It seems to me the kickstand is too short and/or angled too horizontal when extended. It seems like someone good at metalworking might be able to fabricate an adapter to mount between the kickstand and the bike, that could solve both issues.
Looks wise it's hard not to compare it to the Ducati 950S (another pretty bike) I think. But knowing how you liked the BMW R1250RS why would one choose one BMW over the other?
Last month did NC500 on an F900XR te. Have been thinking about stepping up to this bike but I could lose my licence on the 900 far less this.still 105hp is a medium bike ,lol
@@TheMissendenFlyer loved it and also did Caerngorm and back to Morecambe then Harrogate. Based in the Midlands. I'm a returning rider after 27 year break and straight into that. Must be mad. Keep up the good work
I like vibrations to let me know I have changed speed if that makes sense. I have ridden bikes with no sense of speed from being too smooth. Easy way to get hurt.
Seen reviews on this was leaning towards GS then XR you comments re it wanting you to go faster I can relate to. Now being an older guy ( older than you) I have kept away from sports bikes for that reason Had 12 points on my licence 30 years ago and now carry a pillion on most rides ( my 16 year old son) 😅😅😅😅 so back to thinking GS
@@TheMissendenFlyer oh you replied back , I'm America an watch your show all the time I really enjoy the great job you do. I'm amazed you replied back, That is rare in this times. Be safe and well done mate.
Will be interesting to compare the new Ducati V4 Multistrada when it comes out, of course I guess the VFR 1200X was in the same category but heavy, old and no longer sold here in Australia. 🤔
I’ve been lucky enough to own the S1000XR, a V4 Streetfighter and a 1200 MultiStrada. I’m keeping my twin Multi because it’s such a great touring engine - great at virtually any speed. All great bikes, but for the role the twin seems like an ideal choice. Having ridden the V4 the power sounds interesting but it’s uninspiring low speed performance makes it less appealing to me, at least on paper. As always you don’t know until you ride it though right?
Great review TMF as always. Considering one of these, R1250GS or maybe F900XR. Did you take Mrs Flyer out on the 900 and if so how was it? Only concern with the GS is will it excite like the XR as can only run one bike but want to have "fun" when the wife not pillion (no offence meant to GS riders 😀)
No offence taken!! I find the HD great fun personally but it’s all a matter of personal preference of course - you know the answer, go test ride them all (all three brilliant machines)....
Thank you for this informative series of reviews. I’m looking at sport-touring bikes after owning a Ninja 650 for 7 years (my first bike after a the 250 that I learned on). Although I have some experience, I don’t ride consistently so I see myself as a beginner intermediate rider. I think this BMW might be too much of a step up for me in power. (Do you agree ?). The dealer network in the US for BMW is great but the base prices on their website are misleading - by the time you add all the “packages” you would want, the this bike becomes -very- expensive.
I chose a 2019 v-strom 650 because of the dealer experience (in Northern Ontario Canada) we don't have a BMW or any big fancy dealership within 4 or 5 hour ride. This and me being new to riding I and the misses thought it best to keep it simple for now. I however really like this bike. I chose the v-strom because I thought a would do some gravel roads but in reallity like Bruce I hate off road. Lol I really like this bike! And think it tickes all the boxes.
Having rather soft suspension it does soak up off road bumps quite well. I have Metzeler Tourance tyres on mine and they offer peerless grip on road compared to the standard battle wings and a bit of off road capability
I have a GS1200 Rallye and also recently bought a current generation VStrom 650. I really like the GS but the VStrom cost about 1/3 and, in real world riding, has to be more like 75- 80% of the bike. The GS definitely has better off road capability but my off road riding is usually where the tarmac ends and the unpaved logging road begins. Where you are in Northern Ontario, the VStrom makes a lot of sense.
I have been in the "I like sport bikes but I need to grow up" niche for some time. I have narrowed the choices down to the Ninja 1000sx, the R1250RS, and the XR. Still can't make up my mind.
I have to admit this was a bike I didn't really "get" before these vids, and I still don't fully, But I think you helped a lot - sports bike people who are looking at adventure bikes or sports tourers, maybe something a bit more practical or for a different purpose, but still want that true sport bike performance. I originally thought it was just for "sporty dentists", but it does make a bit more sense now - even if it still doesn't interest me personally. As always top quality content, thanks!
It doesn’t sound like you’re actually ridden one. This bike can be ridden sedately or like you stole it I love mine it’s two bikes in one for me. A bit vibey at 70mph 5000revs but it is what it is and there’s no such thing as a perfect bike you all need to stop analysing it and spend more time riding. Enjoy life.
@@andybrown3508 Mechanically, no changes since the intro in 2012. 2018 saw a cosmetic refresh and Euro4 compliance. I had a 2016 GTL, now have a 2018 GTL, 30k combined miles. Brilliant bike. Smooth as glass. Smokes any other bike in its size range.
I'll take a multistrada, thanks very much, to do what this does without the vibration, in better style and comfort. If I wanted to do 'sports' riding, and go fast, I'd get a S1000RR. I've got a BMW and recently bought a Ducati, and the Ducati is the more premium bike, finished better, and the impression of quality is higher. Which is a surprise.....are BMW losing their touch or have Ducati improved beyond measure?!
I have had a 2016 model for two years now (second riding season with it in Upstate NY - albany area). I agree...I feel mine lacks character. It's def hard to put my finger on. I want to love this bike, but just don't. Its very hard for me to come to terms with. Last bike I owned was a 2009 Monster 696, so I wanted more power and more comfort, which I have mostly gained. I find the 2016 XR a bit tall for me being 5'7" with a 32 inch inseem. I just purchased the Sargent 'low" seat. So far the seat feels hard and I noticed a few pressure points (only ridden about 15 miles on it so far-hopefully this weekend I will get a good ride in). The sargent seat def lets me get more of my foot down and I feel more confident (I laid the XR down last season on a sloped gravel road and it took away some of my confidence thats for sure). The bike def wants to move and its a pleasure when you open up the throttle. Vibes....for sure, they are there. Sometimes it bothers me, other times it doesnt (sometimes I find myself using this as an excuse to look for another bike). I have ridden the 2020 R1250RS as a loaner bike this season too...and honestly I wasn't in love with that either (maybe BMW seems to lack character, for me, over my old Ducati). I find myself always looking for the next best thing...and right now the XR is the only bike that fists that bill...even though I'm not 100% in love with it.
Viktor Sligo that’s confirmed by a number of my friends who have lived there over the years. Nothing but love for Bracknell. TMF is right the roads around it are top notch
Interesting final review. I think I would take the S1000R over this, if this XR is so sport orientated and maybe the GS for touring or maybe the KTM SD 1290 GT instead. That seat looks like an instrument of torture. Shame. And the vibes would get to me over time. Like you I would struggle to move it around in my garage and on my drive.
Strange thing vibration, different riders have different concerns, you have low frequency vibrations :Ducati Multistrada or BMW 1200 GS or any V twin ,I think of spanners in a rusty toolbox, I can’t tolerate that vibration , but most road testers never mention it (or notice). BMW 100 XR I found no problem. BMW 1200 GS or XR. XR for me ! Triumph Tiger 900 , or Tiger 800, 800 for me . Hay ho all are good fun !
I agree that vibration can be a bit funny. I had a mid-90s Ducati 900SS and the first week or so, it put my arms to sleep . . . then it didn't. I also thought the forward lean was extreme then it started feeling as if I were sitting almost upright. We get used to things and they cease to intrude.
My 2011 CBF1000fa is smooth as silk, plenty quick and nimble. Thinking about upgrading, but I am struggling to find a better sports-tourer. I like the look of this bike, but can't imagine it would be a better, more comfortable or more reliable bike than my current ride. Thinking about a newer Africa Twin 1100, a GW or a F6B to be honest...they would be a little more comfy for my riding partner...
@@TheMissendenFlyer I think if it's a few seconds, you "might" get away with it . A "mash up" in the new lingo we have. But I do know naff all about copyright law, so yeah maybe don't do it !
I find all bikes lean over too far. I have made a special foot for the side stand to bring both my R1100RT and 1250GS to a more upright position. The lean is made worse due to the camber in the UK where we ride on the left (correct) side of the road.
Regarding motorcycles and vibrations: I've owned 4 motorcycles now in 3 years' time. Suzuki C50T, Kawi VN900D, Kawi Versys 1000LT, and now Tiger 1200 XRx. All were purchased new excepting the Suzi. They all vibrated at certain RPM/Speed combos. On my Tiger, at 6K RPM and 80+MPH, the mirrors are unusable due to vibrations, but the bum and hands are ok. I'm sure lots of folks think their bikes are smooth as silk at all times, but I suspect a reality distortion field is strong in them.
Same here, just bought bike 35,the S1000xr and its vibration is at a narrow band that doesn't bother me, the comfort of this compared to my part bike is great, easy to move out of the shed for me, I'm 5 10 and 90kg so maybe like this fellow says, just a personal issue
I"m on bike number 11....to my recollection, every bike has had some "vibration."
@@1DavidS67 exactly, some worse than others, Ducati are not fantastic in many models, vibration is common but the frequency is the killer of wrists
My tiger mirrors are the same at 80+, any lower and they're fine. Tried tightening but still same.
@@1DavidS67 You need to try the Blackbird!
Zero vibrations
what I appreciate with you guy, it’s that you say what we don’t want to hear, what passion wants to hide from reason... Thanks for this video !
My pleasure!
I really like your reviews on the new XR.I have a F900XR and took the S1000XR out for a test ride last week Saturday (I Have owned the previous generations of the S1000XR). After watching your videos I decide to try the new S1000XR ,and I can happily say that I part exchanged my F900XR for the new S1000XR last week after I done the test ride. The 900XR is a brilliant bike I had it for 6 months now and done over 5000miles on it , but the new S1000XR just gives you that WOW, happy felling when you ride it!!! Thanks to you Andy I bought the new XR, and I can't wait for it to arrive.Hopefully I will get it end September! Thank you for all the reviews.
Congratulations and ride safe!
Congratulations and ride safe!
I have the old model.
This bike loves to cruise between 6 and 7 k, so at 130 kmh i just leave it in 5th.
I then have a fantastic responsive bike with great sound and no vibrations and the fuel economy is not that much different.
I must admit this is my first bike so i cant compare.
10k kmss in 4 months now commuting to Brussels
i ride the model 2016. Love the Jekyll and Hyde character: smooth cruising at low rpm and then when the conditions allow it, you you let go of the beast, roaring with the speed of rracemonster. A beautiful crying exhaust. Its a versatile gem.
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I ride a 2015 model. Love it, and like you said: "it makes it difficult to ride legally".
It is a beautiful looking machine and I still get compliments from car owners and even other bikers.
I have a 2015 too, with 64,000km. Love it, it is my 'therapist'. Can't find a reason to replace it. I commute and tour on it. Great all rounder. Provides that grin that Andy talks about.
Bum trauma now there's a start to the day.... i think I'm definitely sold on the bike after two test rides... thanks for the very in depth reviews TMF absolutely excellent as always...
My pleasure Adrian!
I've had 2 XR's and I think you are fairly spot on. They are brilliant to ride anywhere, touring, daily blasts etc and the vibrations disappear in a few days of ownership. However - I would also add cost of ownership. They are expensive to buy, eat tyres at £250 a go and only get 120 miles to a tank ridden "properly". Some of the MK1's suffered from dodgy camshafts so you would never own one without a BMW warranty. Also, I am 58 with 15 years + no claims bonus, live in a decent postcode with no convictions or accidents and Hastings insurance wouldn't insure me because their underwriters don't like the bike, so I had to get "dearer" insurance elsewhere. I loved mine but just couldn't afford to keep riding one.
Thanks for the real world feedback Mark - BMWs can be expensive to run can’t they (I’ve learned that with my GS too).....fabulous machines though they are!
Wonder when mark 3 will be out.
I own the 2016 model. The vibes were bad at first but improved with some bar end weights and lead fishing weights (readily available here in Alaska) in the handlebars. I don't notice the vibrations at all now until I ride one of my other bikes and then get back on the XR. I purchased the KTM 1290 SD GT this year and I think the vibrations are more noxious on that bike than on the XR. However, the fun factor on both bikes far outweighs these little issues. If I wanted to be completely comfortable, I probably wouldn't be riding. If I was going for several thousand miles though, the GSA would definitely be my choice. Great review. Thanks for all the work you put into these videos.
My pleasure David, thanks for watching!
I've owned many GS's over the years and just sold my '18 GSA and purchased a beautiful 2020 S1000XR... BEST BIKE I'VE EVER OWNED! Smiles by the miles, hands down a better riding and performing motorcycle. It is FAR LIGHTER than a GS, and despite what reviewer says, is FAR EASIER to move around than a GS - easier to get on/off centerstand, and light and easy to move around compared to the GS. Been riding for 50+ years, owned many, many bikes - this is the best road bike I've ever owned - period. Vibs worst at 70 to 75, but not bad at all, and every other speed completely not present at all (will notice at 70 if wrongly in 5th gear). Brakes are awesome, ride/handling awesome, electronics are awesome, bike is put together extremely well. Will be putting a Russel Daylong seat as there is NO STOCK seat worthy of keeping on any bike, IMO. But cup seat is superior, especially for acceleration forces that will make you smile every time you ride it. Actually for the price can't believe they can sell such high tech for that. Zero percent financing right now makes it a no brainer.
BTW, bike is split personality... a smooth joy for normal riding plenty of torque for normal situations... but get it above 7,000 RPMs and it turns into a complete carnival ride. Super fun, handles power immaculately well.
Thanks for sending in your opinions on the bikes Nathan, clearly I completely disagree with you but your opinion is as valid as mine! All the best and enjoy the bike!
"i wouldn't buy it because the wife was thumbs down about it" There speaks a man with common sense and the honesty to admit it! Brilliant!!
You know what they say about a happy wife!
@@TheMissendenFlyer I don't, all mine have been miserable.😁😁😁
@@TheMissendenFlyer Mike Finnegan: 'Happy wife, happy life'
He is not only practical, but also "WISE".. 😂😁🤣😎
TMF, we have something in common = wives who don’t like the XR. As for ‘restraint’ on bikes with ‘performance potential’ it will always be a challenge, especially for anyone doing comprehensive road tests or reviews. You should do IAM or RoSPA training = it’s not a magic wand solution but does help, and could make interesting TH-cam content (even if you fail the advanced test!).
I owned the 2016 model XR and traded it for a MultiStrada 1260. Far happier with the Duc, mostly because of the engine. Both handle great, are super comfortable and have loads of electronics. But the Multi throws power everywhere in the rev range. The XR was anemic and boring at anything below 80 mph. I think that’s why it “eggs you on to go fast”. It’s so uninspiring at low speed that you break the law to keep it fun. And yes the Multi doesn’t have the XR vibration issue, but I did over 20K miles on my XR and quickly learned to avoid floating at 5K on the rev counter and it became a non-issue. Both bikes proved super reliable in my hands - another nice touring feature. Think you can’t really make a bad choice between the 2, but to me at least an inline 4 is the wrong engine for this style of bike - not enough low end grunt.
Another great review - thanks for your awesome content!
Thank you Scott!
Mr.Flyer, have you ever ridden a honda cbr 1100 xx? is the bmw 1600 as fast?.fjr1300 is not.it seems nothing else compares ?the gixxer and 14r are getting choked out.i appreciate the quality of your vlogs. thank you.enjoy the ride!
Boi i hope you get your hands on the new 1200 speed triple next year asap! Your reviews are always spot on!
Thank you!
If you don’t want vibes.... buy a Kawasaki Versys 1000 SE Grand Tourer. In addition, the list price of the Versys will include all those « optional extras » you had to add to your 1000XR to bring it up to anywhere near the same spec.... the value of which will disappear when you go to trade it in.The Versys SE GT list price is £16299. Using the online BMW « configurator », to bring it near to the Versys SE GT, I got the XR price up to £17,455 without trying too hard. But the trade-in or resale value will always be based on the basic list price of £14,285.
Plus, the Versys is tuned for low down, evenly spread torque, not bhp bragging rights and ludicrous top speed. So instead of fighting to keep it under control as you did, the power is just what you want, when you want it, and is all that you need but manageable and user-friendly.
PS I bought my Versys 1000 SE GT in August 2020 and I’m still smiling!
Superb video - you are definitely at the top of your game as a motorcycle vlogger!
Very kind of you to say so - thank you!
Hello Andy, your comment on the XR really makes sense to me, if the bike is fast I tend to ride really quick. The only solution for me is not to buy one because I cannot trust myself!
I’m the same....
I've put 1,200,miles on my 2023 now. M model w/ Akrapovic exhaust & forged wheels. 55 year-old sport bike rider... not sure there's a better old-man's sport bike out there! ZX-6,ZX-7,ZX-9, SV-650, ST-1300 (mistake), FZ-1(lovely), FJ-09(now the tracer). Once the factory unlocks the 8,000rpm redline at 600 miles, this beast really wakes up. Glad to have wheelie control for those 2nd gear, 9,000rpm pulls! The brakes are fantastic. Either the 5,500rpm buzz is getting better, or I'm getting used to it. There are better tourers out there, but not better old-man sport bikes! I have a semi-rigid soft bag strapped to the back & an MRA windscreen. Expecting my 1st ticket any time now 🙄
TMF... you make a very valid point regarding the livability of the XR. I used to own a K1600GT and did a fair bit of touring on it where it was fantastic. However, other than for longer tours, it sat in the garage as it was a pain to move around, at over 700lbs! Eventually I swapped it out for a GS which works well for touring and its much easier to live with on a daily basis.
Yes that is a major consideration for me I must say....
I looked at this bike along with the F900 and the F850 GS I am 6foot tall and with 14.5 stone and I still found it a heavy bike to get off the stand. In the end I went with the F850 GSA this is still a heavy bike but is more comfortable to ride. As my last point, I agree with everything you say about it for the passenger i wont be carrying one but still good info
Great honest review, once again.
I am taking the leap, switching to a 2017 XR coming from a 2013 Multistrada 1200S. I do recognize your points of 'criticism' but I still think it's the better bike for me after test riding the MTS1200DVT, the Superduke GT (2016 model), the MTS950 and the 1290 Super Adventure S. The XR just feels more 'connected' for me with everything that's happening under those 17" wheels. But I will have to keep an eye on the speedo as you already mentioned 😬😬😇
Enjoy Patrick! ...and be careful out there!!!
Don't do it! lol. Get a 2015 onwards Mulistrada, far better looking, no crappy Ford XR 2 style decals, less vibration, better quality, more character.
I got a speeding fine the first month of ownership of mine in 2015, sold and went back to a GS. Currently on a speed twin but think a GS may find its way back into my garage soon
I’m a big fan of this XR. Currently own the R and it’s amazing although I can see touring being easier on the XR. Cheers for the reviews! 👍
Thanks for watching and for stopping by!
Looking forward to 2021 S1000R which I look forward to you hopefully getting a demo model to review.
suggestion, a vlog on RS1250 v S1000XR pros and cons, interested to hear your views (as they caused me to buy my first liquid cooled GS, now on my 3rd:)
Planning test riding the xr, as coming to decision time to change my gs1200 adventure? Toss up between the xr or the adventure 1250 ? ?.
Video coming comparing the XR to the GS soon!
Really good honest review young Mr Flyer ! Peace and love brother 👍🏻☮❤
If I’m young I dread to think how old you must be but I’ll take it! Cheers!
@@TheMissendenFlyer I think we're about the same age but I had a bastard of a paper round !
(Almost 53) 👍🏻☮❤
Are the headlights still symmetrical when they are on? I mean both sides light up for short beam or long beam; or one side short beam other side high beam? I have symmetry obsession :)
Hi Andy Are the boots which you are wearing at 9m.30s motorcycle specific please? If so, make and model please?
Yes they are - always wear bike specific kit. Unfortunately I’m not able to view the video at the moment and check which they are...but I will have mentioned them before and will again in future so stay tuned!
@@TheMissendenFlyer Thanks Andy
So... if you were changing the GS, and not allowed the GS or GSA, but ordering a Bmw, would you choose either the S1000XR or R1250RS for real world everyday riding and touring ?
Are you dense or do you not watch the fucking videos?
RS for me in those (terrible!) circumstances!
Great video, only now do I realise the effort of making these videos after starting to do my own channel. Well done. Enjoy, stay safe!
Cheers and thanks!
Really great video and summary of what you like and don’t like about the bike!
I've found my 2020 XR', is not the best at downshifts using the quickshifter. Also I find that putting the bike into rain mode around town/city really smooths out the throttle response.
Thank you for your review. I am somehow more leaning to Ninja 1000SX... 😎
I think your verdict it is pretty much bang on. When I replied before I think XR is great off main roads and not so good on due to vibes and also low gearing in 6th! Also the price with extras is a lot. My thoughts are to spend the difference on an Aprilia RS660 and keep my GS for Commuting and longer rides. Another great vid!
Thank you Mark!
Great video again. Question, if do you have to choose between the 1260 Multistrada and the XR, which one would you pick and why?
Multistrada - no vibes, looks better, more exotic would be my reasoning....
"if you don't want vibes, don't ride motorbikes" EXACTLY!!!
Maybe get an electric bike ? But you will not be riding that far, before the search for the charger and a long charging wait !
What's this, so all motorbikes vibrate? Nah. Although my 1960 BSA does but in a nice way.
...Buy a Japanese inline four!
Dickwhistles youtuber said the vibes on a Speed Twin (and I own one) are like a sex toy. So there's always a different angle to it !
Vibration is BMW being lazy. Dealer told me to put big bar ends on and fill the bars with sand. Sorry for £15k plus bike, BMW you should sort this. KTM does not vibrate, nor does the Multistrada. Look elsewhere.
Would you consider doing a used bike review? How about my 08 Gsx650F vs new opposition. Do you spend all of your own money or go on a pcp deal for a newer bike?
I’m not a fan of PCP - I save up and buy once I have the money.....
Good review and still love my 2017 XR, do you think having the side panniers and top box didn’t help lugging the bike in and out of the garage with the weight. Never had luggage so I can’t comment specifically hence asking you. I can’t remember if you have all the top box set all the time on your GS, and would you leave It on if you owned it and didn’t tour every day?
Yes will have added to the weight but not THAT much....
Great review, that's why I sold my sport bike a few years ago. I was always breaking the speed limit and 1000cc sport tour bikes are boring to ride slow.
That's some damn good advice. I've been studying the new Suzuki Katana ... probably pass: trouble.
Can you compare with Ducati 950S? Quickshifter, vibration at high rpm? Suspension ? Which one has better handling and comfort?
For me the Ducati is more comfy and easier to live with - less annoying vibes, similar sporty handling....
Wife complaining about vibrations means take the mistress !
Yes, she loves vibrations!!!
@Hugh Johnson.. . 👀😳.... I nearly reported you!!.. lmao.. 😂🤣
@@Tobeon2 Not sure if you misspelled Johnston, or if your mind was elsewhere!!!
@@garethedwards3838 hahaha... both.... my bad... (^_^)... But, I did not report anyways... lol.... (^_^)
What would you choose between BMW s1000xr 2020/21 and KTM 1290 super adventure s 2021 ?
Haven't ridden the KTM - I favour the BMW though.....
As always sir, nicely summed up.
Thank you!
I’m currently thinking of swapping my triumph speed triple 1200rs for the bmw s1000xr te. Advice please.
Don't do it!!
@@TheMissendenFlyerwhy?
Great reviews, watched them all. I test rode the old model and loved riding it but agree the front end was ugly. Which do you prefer between this and the KTM 1290 Superduke GT?
1290 I think.....
For me, who is a millennial, I do aspire for a big capacity bike, but the price is what limits me. All I want TC and ABS and good power, more bang for the buck.
Works for me!
Re the vibes.... I've owned 2 of the older version (the more vibey) and yes it vibrates. But to me that's part of riding a motorbike. It's never unbearable and in a way reminds me I'm riding a beast of a bike. The handling and the power are amazing as is the 50 to 53 mpg I almost always achieve. Drops to about 36 ish on the rare occasions I cane it for any period of time. And I prefer the look of the older version. Like everything, a lot of it comes down to personal choice 👍
Indeed - cheers Leigh!
Would you prefer this over the r1250rs considering: power delivery, rider comfort and handling?
Video coming on that subject very soon!
Hello, I need to replace my chain & spockets soon for my honda hornet and don't know what's a good brand to go with, any suggestion would be appreciated.
Plenty of choice here with D.I.D etc. If you are in UK, take a look at chainandsprockets.co.uk
Quality sum up video as usual, 🙏
It might not be comfortable for you older gentlemen/women, but, this is the best bike I ever driven. Seat is quite simple, go to a reupholster shop, have them install a 3 layer memory foam, and you’re good to go. Doesn’t cost much, $200 usd for us, and the vibration get 1lb bar Ends.
Fair enough!
Good review Andy. For me the bike is too red and plastic. I would also be wary of the seat on long rides (although haven’t had a test ride so could be ok). How does it compare with the Tiger 900?
Much faster, harder to live with due weight, better TFT, better handling - more vibes and doesn’t sound as good.
Is there any way you could do a video on the new Honda gold wing
a trip up to Scotland or Ireland would make a great viewing.
I have a series of me and the Mrs doing a Goldwing tour in Wales coming soon!
So would you rather have the F900XR? I've been toying with the idea of a new bike always thought S1000XR but not sure now
I probably would yes....
@TheMissewndenFlyer why?
Fair and truthful review as we come to expect Andy, I had one on loan and liked it however it would be a licence loser ,vibrations weren’t to bad and regards the seat I found the longer you rode it the less uncomfortable it was although easily replaced if it was that bad.
Cheers Norrie!
Looks like a great bike to me, but actually it’s a sports bike with a fairing however BMW ‘packages’ it, so do you buy that or the RS1250RS?
For me I’d probably go the RS route - just that bit more relaxing....
TheMissendenFlyer exactly what I was thinking Andy.....and you’d probably hold onto your license for a bit longer 😂😂
@@SteveInskip Don't be fooled, as an RS owner, she can certainly get moving rapidly if so inclined.
DeadHead indeed, but for me, a lower revving twin is a more sedate and easier to ride long distances than a revvy four. I know twins can be fast, my normal road bike is a Morini Corsaro 1200 Veloce. It ain’t much good for touring though......storage space is definitely limited! 😂😂
@@SteveInskip TMF probably right you'd feel inclined to ride faster on the XR over something like the RS/GS which makes sense when the engine is pulled from the RR with some tweaking.
What about that direct comparison video of the XR against your GS ? You’ve mentioned in your earlier videos that this comparison is coming up
It’s in the can and coming soon - don’t fret!
Nice review Andy 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks
Good final round up TMF
What's the tank range on that I always think that's something worth talking about for an adventure bike? Good for 200 miles?
Err, didn’t pay much attention - my bad - thirstier than my GS though...
@@TheMissendenFlyer I'd imagine it would be I'm thinking 40-45mpg anything near 50 I'd be surprised.
mine registers 155mile when i fill it up
@@alanmiles2685 so likely around 200 unless you run it virtually dry before fill up.
lugging it around.
As you say side stand will not help.
The GS might be heavier, but as I understand the natural low weight of the boxer twin means you're going to have a lot of leverage on the bars. I guess the inline 4 holds its weight higher up, thus less leverage.
Indeed
Vibrations: Ufdah, I've been reading about them and talking with guys about vibrations since the '70's and in general terms the only conclusion I could come up with - high frequency vibes are bad, low frequency vibes are; at best - good. At worst, not a bad thing. Then you have folks that don't want any (starting with the original Goldwing owners) and those that want the big power pulses of a mighty V twin or steam engine. Everyone seems to dislike the chainsaw vibration high frequency ones though, which you seem to be describing at certain points in the rev range with the S1000XR (and my CB1100 does at certain rev ranges, but with such a low amplitude that I don't feel it all the time).
Character is also a funny attribute. For me, on long rides, I want lots of comfort and no character - or as little as possible. Short rides through the twistie bits character can be a plus but I have yet to ding a bike because it lacks character. However; when it comes to people I do prefer some character. :^) That said, it's nice to have ridden enough bikes you KNOW which ones will be a good fit for YOU and which ones, as nice as they may be, are simply a poor fit. I sense a shift in my life where the Goldwing, once a brass ring to strive for, is sliding into the "poor fit" catagory - before I've even had a chance to own one. :(
I’m curious why you consider it too hooligan and yet you own a Panigale 899 & a Speed Triple. How do you compare it to those bikes, or did you sell them?
I sold my Street Triple (and miss it!) - the Panigale is a work of art and a keeper for that reason....
Useful end to a useful test run. Cheers TMF.
I did notice in your initial XR video that you were riding with a bit more “zest” than normal ( or at least what were are allowed to see ! ) and as you say the bike does make you feel like you have god like skills . This bike is different to many other rides………most bikes are easy to ride at normal speed but need skill to ride fast , whereas the s1000xr is the other way around. Its very easy to ride fast and safe , but needs a different skill to ride it normally and in a relaxed touring way.
My tips for riding this bike ‘bit’ slower and for distance touring are….
Don’t use the quick shifter all the time! just clutch it through the gears.
The bike has plenty of torque low down so Short shift either 1st -3rd-6th or even 1st -4th -6th
It works for me and gives me the perfect bike …………..nuts one minute and the next , sort of relaxed when I want it
i do really like the dual screen setup.
On the issue of getting it up off the kickstand: It seems to me the kickstand is too short and/or angled too horizontal when extended. It seems like someone good at metalworking might be able to fabricate an adapter to mount between the kickstand and the bike, that could solve both issues.
Indeed it would!
Looks wise it's hard not to compare it to the Ducati 950S (another pretty bike) I think. But knowing how you liked the BMW R1250RS why would one choose one BMW over the other?
Last month did NC500 on an F900XR te. Have been thinking about stepping up to this bike but I could lose my licence on the 900 far less this.still 105hp is a medium bike ,lol
Great ride eh?
@@TheMissendenFlyer loved it and also did Caerngorm and back to Morecambe then Harrogate. Based in the Midlands. I'm a returning rider after 27 year break and straight into that. Must be mad. Keep up the good work
Thank you, great and honest review 👍🏻
I like vibrations to let me know I have changed speed if that makes sense.
I have ridden bikes with no sense of speed from being too smooth. Easy way to get hurt.
Seen reviews on this was leaning towards GS then XR you comments re it wanting you to go faster I can relate to. Now being an older guy ( older than you) I have kept away from sports bikes for that reason Had 12 points on my licence 30 years ago and now carry a pillion on most rides ( my 16 year old son) 😅😅😅😅 so back to thinking GS
The right choice Mark!
take that beauty to the track and give it a review , I think that would be real informative if you would do that with all the bikes you review lad.
If only I had unlimited access to a track nearby!
@@TheMissendenFlyer oh you replied back , I'm America an watch your show all the time I really enjoy the great job you do. I'm amazed you replied back, That is rare in this times. Be safe and well done mate.
Will be interesting to compare the new Ducati V4 Multistrada when it comes out, of course I guess the VFR 1200X was in the same category but heavy, old and no longer sold here in Australia. 🤔
I’ve been lucky enough to own the S1000XR, a V4 Streetfighter and a 1200 MultiStrada. I’m keeping my twin Multi because it’s such a great touring engine - great at virtually any speed. All great bikes, but for the role the twin seems like an ideal choice. Having ridden the V4 the power sounds interesting but it’s uninspiring low speed performance makes it less appealing to me, at least on paper. As always you don’t know until you ride it though right?
Great review TMF as always. Considering one of these, R1250GS or maybe F900XR. Did you take Mrs Flyer out on the 900 and if so how was it? Only concern with the GS is will it excite like the XR as can only run one bike but want to have "fun" when the wife not pillion (no offence meant to GS riders 😀)
No offence taken!! I find the HD great fun personally but it’s all a matter of personal preference of course - you know the answer, go test ride them all (all three brilliant machines)....
@@TheMissendenFlyer test ride on all 3 booked for Saturday. Can't wait 😀👍
Test rides done. Summary:
F900XR bloody uncomfortable.
S1000XR insanely fast but still uncomfortable.
R1250GS Rallye TE order placed 👍
Thank you for this informative series of reviews. I’m looking at sport-touring bikes after owning a Ninja 650 for 7 years (my first bike after a the 250 that I learned on). Although I have some experience, I don’t ride consistently so I see myself as a beginner intermediate rider. I think this BMW might be too much of a step up for me in power. (Do you agree ?). The dealer network in the US for BMW is great but the base prices on their website are misleading - by the time you add all the “packages” you would want, the this bike becomes -very- expensive.
Yes typical BMW that - and I don’t think it would be too much of a leap after the 650, just take it easy to start with, you’ll soon adapt! Enjoy….
I chose a 2019 v-strom 650 because of the dealer experience (in Northern Ontario Canada) we don't have a BMW or any big fancy dealership within 4 or 5 hour ride. This and me being new to riding I and the misses thought it best to keep it simple for now. I however really like this bike. I chose the v-strom because I thought a would do some gravel roads but in reallity like Bruce I hate off road. Lol I really like this bike! And think it tickes all the boxes.
Having rather soft suspension it does soak up off road bumps quite well. I have Metzeler Tourance tyres on mine and they offer peerless grip on road compared to the standard battle wings and a bit of off road capability
I have a GS1200 Rallye and also recently bought a current generation VStrom 650. I really like the GS but the VStrom cost about 1/3 and, in real world riding, has to be more like 75- 80% of the bike. The GS definitely has better off road capability but my off road riding is usually where the tarmac ends and the unpaved logging road begins. Where you are in Northern Ontario, the VStrom makes a lot of sense.
Yes once past North bay or Sudbury you have a very limited dealer network..🇨🇦🇨🇦
Ditto
I agree with you TMF, coming from a sports bike background i would actually look at the 1250RS, a bit controversial but that would be my choice. 👍
I have been in the "I like sport bikes but I need to grow up" niche for some time. I have narrowed the choices down to the Ninja 1000sx, the R1250RS, and the XR. Still can't make up my mind.
*great man great channel ❤️*
My idea of a good bike is one that I enjoy riding at legal speeds so I'd give this one a miss.
bought one and I love it, except for the side stand.
I can manage to ride my Speed Triple legally. Just. It does take quite a bit of right wrist control ! Speed Twin doesn't egg me on as much.
Speed Triple is a bad ass bike!
You've ridden singles. Royal Enfield Bullet, maybe a Vitpilen or Duke 690 . I assume the vibes are worse on them ?
Yes but the frequency isn’t as buzzy and it’s kind of expected....but on a 4 cylinder???
I have to admit this was a bike I didn't really "get" before these vids, and I still don't fully, But I think you helped a lot - sports bike people who are looking at adventure bikes or sports tourers, maybe something a bit more practical or for a different purpose, but still want that true sport bike performance. I originally thought it was just for "sporty dentists", but it does make a bit more sense now - even if it still doesn't interest me personally. As always top quality content, thanks!
Thank you Jon!
Yes, a very angry aggressive bike. A great review and you summed it up well.
It doesn’t sound like you’re actually ridden one. This bike can be ridden sedately or like you stole it
I love mine it’s two bikes in one for me. A bit vibey at 70mph 5000revs but it is what it is and there’s no such thing as a perfect bike you all need to stop analysing it and spend more time riding. Enjoy life.
Would you be doing a review on BMW’s 1600GT sport .
He did about 3.5 years ago.
What g said!
There’s also a bagger version , wondering has it moved on much since 3,5 years .
@@andybrown3508 Mechanically, no changes since the intro in 2012. 2018 saw a cosmetic refresh and Euro4 compliance. I had a 2016 GTL, now have a 2018 GTL, 30k combined miles. Brilliant bike. Smooth as glass. Smokes any other bike in its size range.
Did you try the current GoldWing Andy?? Now that is an incredible machine.....
I'll take a multistrada, thanks very much, to do what this does without the vibration, in better style and comfort. If I wanted to do 'sports' riding, and go fast, I'd get a S1000RR. I've got a BMW and recently bought a Ducati, and the Ducati is the more premium bike, finished better, and the impression of quality is higher. Which is a surprise.....are BMW losing their touch or have Ducati improved beyond measure?!
Maybe a bit of both!
I have had a 2016 model for two years now (second riding season with it in Upstate NY - albany area). I agree...I feel mine lacks character. It's def hard to put my finger on. I want to love this bike, but just don't. Its very hard for me to come to terms with. Last bike I owned was a 2009 Monster 696, so I wanted more power and more comfort, which I have mostly gained. I find the 2016 XR a bit tall for me being 5'7" with a 32 inch inseem. I just purchased the Sargent 'low" seat. So far the seat feels hard and I noticed a few pressure points (only ridden about 15 miles on it so far-hopefully this weekend I will get a good ride in). The sargent seat def lets me get more of my foot down and I feel more confident (I laid the XR down last season on a sloped gravel road and it took away some of my confidence thats for sure). The bike def wants to move and its a pleasure when you open up the throttle. Vibes....for sure, they are there. Sometimes it bothers me, other times it doesnt (sometimes I find myself using this as an excuse to look for another bike). I have ridden the 2020 R1250RS as a loaner bike this season too...and honestly I wasn't in love with that either (maybe BMW seems to lack character, for me, over my old Ducati). I find myself always looking for the next best thing...and right now the XR is the only bike that fists that bill...even though I'm not 100% in love with it.
Thanks for the real world feedback - all the best!
Good review 👌
Avoiding Bracknell. Know the feeling. Amazing bike btw.
Viktor Sligo that’s confirmed by a number of my friends who have lived there over the years. Nothing but love for Bracknell. TMF is right the roads around it are top notch
This Bracknell chap must have a terribly bad character for everyone avoiding him.
Bracknell > Slough 🤣
@@user-cx2bk6pm2f I think it's me he's avoiding!
Interesting final review. I think I would take the S1000R over this, if this XR is so sport orientated and maybe the GS for touring or maybe the KTM SD 1290 GT instead.
That seat looks like an instrument of torture. Shame. And the vibes would get to me over time. Like you I would struggle to move it around in my garage and on my drive.
It was for me, though some people seem to quite like it....
Very good videos on this BMW at least tmf you tell it as it is that's why I watch your excellent videos. Thanks from danny
Thank you Danny, appreciate that!
Thank you Danny, appreciate that!
Strange thing vibration, different riders have different concerns, you have low frequency vibrations :Ducati Multistrada or BMW 1200 GS or any V twin ,I think of spanners in a rusty toolbox, I can’t tolerate that vibration , but most road testers never mention it (or notice). BMW 100 XR I found no problem.
BMW 1200 GS or XR. XR for me ! Triumph Tiger 900 , or Tiger 800, 800 for me . Hay ho all are good fun !
I agree that vibration can be a bit funny. I had a mid-90s Ducati 900SS and the first week or so, it put my arms to sleep . . . then it didn't. I also thought the forward lean was extreme then it started feeling as if I were sitting almost upright. We get used to things and they cease to intrude.
My 2011 CBF1000fa is smooth as silk, plenty quick and nimble. Thinking about upgrading, but I am struggling to find a better sports-tourer. I like the look of this bike, but can't imagine it would be a better, more comfortable or more reliable bike than my current ride. Thinking about a newer Africa Twin 1100, a GW or a F6B to be honest...they would be a little more comfy for my riding partner...
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Maybe do a section of the video when the vibes come in and dub in a bit of the Beach Boys . Good Vibrations !
Copyright !!
@@TheMissendenFlyer I think if it's a few seconds, you "might" get away with it . A "mash up" in the new lingo we have.
But I do know naff all about copyright law, so yeah maybe don't do it !
I find all bikes lean over too far. I have made a special foot for the side stand to bring both my R1100RT and 1250GS to a more upright position. The lean is made worse due to the camber in the UK where we ride on the left (correct) side of the road.
When returning a bike how do you get back home?
On the bike I left there...
Thank you for you work on this review playlist. I've placed an order on one now and your videos were a big help.
My pleasure - enjoy your new bike!