I like how real this channel is, you are willing to show your faults and mistakes, this makes cheering your successes all that much more fun! Great video and it seems a simple install that most will be willing to attempt and be successful. Thank you!
I got one of these too! Installed by the electric company as he was putting in the 240 plug! It was a hassle connecting it to the WiFi but it finally is always connected! But found out I’m not really needing the “smart charger” aspect of it because I only pay $.05 per kWh all the time! I love it!
Great video. I have a 2023 outlander phev on order but noticed it does not have scheduled departure like the RAV4 prime. Can the juicebox 40 intuitively know when to start charging the vehicle and have it stop charging right at 100 percent when it's my departure time? I know it's not good to leave the vehicle at 100 percent waiting in standby mode but in the RAV4 prime if you schedule your departure it will only start charging when it knows you have exactly 100 percent at departure time. I hope I explained that well enough 😃.
I have to admit the "granny charger" works well enough in Ireland - 220v makes a big difference. I'll get a car charger eventually but so far the granny lead has been perfect.
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So, the bit that got my interest was the last minute of the video. It knows what percent your car is charged to and will stop at, let’s say 80% if I wanted to? Can it do this with a 2012 or 2015 leaf and a BMW i3? Can you plug in different cars to it and it can figure this out each time?
Just curious if the hyundai "blue link" app does the same thing the juicebox software does? Blue link app can start charging at 11pm and stop by 6am or fully charged....also can override the program and press charge now. I just bought the juice 40 bcse of a $500 rebate via the utility company. I think price was $672.00 ...so I'll wind up paying $172 for something I may not need. Thoughts?
I use public charging, our local Migros both have 2 chargers that are free of charge. I watched Plug Life and he is recommending to keep the car at between 50 to 80% during the confinement period since driving is reduced. I can charge with my granny plugs in my apartment if needed.
Nikki does it have the ability to use the smart charge with different rates e.g in the U.K. one operator alters the rate at different times of the day including charge for free periods or heavily reduced rates and the not so often mention peek rate period when you don’t want to charge
Happy charging ^^ I use on my kona an evbox 32A 230V to support the maximum 7.2 kW charger speed in the car, but I usually reduce the charge speed to 4.2 kW in the kona settings as my main is 40A.
Great review, thanks ... but here are a few picky points: * A box mounted outside will require a hardwired installation. (like mine, right next to the electrical panel) * The charger is inside the vehicle. The wall box is an interface: EVSE "electric vehicle supply equipment" (yeah, WE get to call them chargers, but YOU gotta be more exact :-) It's sorta like calling DC stations "Level-3 chargers". They aren't chargers, and there is no such thing as a "Level-3" system. * My electricity provider has TWO high-use periods (06:00-09:00 and 18:00-21:00)(6-9 am and pm). I have not seen an EVSE or vehicle that provide for entering more than one. I have good wifi connections to both the Chargepoint and to the Bolt EV, so I am just using the Bolt with a high-use time of 06:00 - 21:00, leaving nighttime for charging. It works well for my schedule.
Thanks for noting this is an EVSE, not a charger. It is basically an on/off switch to provide power to the vehicle’s built in charger. I can’t justify the prices of some of these units based on this fact. My solution to move away from all these apps and wifi connections for changing my Volt was as follows. The evse that came with the car is 120v 12a, and charges overnight which is enough for weekday use. For the weekends and days of extra use, a 240v 16a (this is all my car will take) was purchased off of Amazon for $200 CDN. Both evse are in the garage and I just plug in the one that’s needed. All that was needed was to install a 240v 20a socket in the garage.
I like the sharing facility, much easier than upgrading the power to the property. I’ll see if these are available in the UK. Hello from the Lincolnshire badlands!
Hoping for the hinted at update, and especially a comparo between old and new versions of the Juiceboxes, and the differences (other than cosmestic) if any. Thanks!
I too have a Siemens which I also installed in 2015. It has been 100% dependable since installation. I have often felt that I'd like WiFi capability just to know how much juice I'm using for the car each month (since 100% of the juice used does not get into the battery). BUT after seeing your video it seems like there is significant redundancy between this new unit and the capability already built into MY 2018 Bolt (with regard to partial charge...hill top...or start based on when you want it finished....etc.). So I'm wondering WHY I would get the new Juice Box to replace my venerable Siemens since it offers little to no additional utility to the capabilities I already have either in my charger or my Bolt charging settings. I assume that my original desire to have "actual juice consumed" may be extant in the new unit, BUT that hardly seems sufficient reason to spring for another 600 bucks...since I have a perfectly dependable system as is.
Not the EnelX JuiceBox. There are some that do, but as far as I know, all the commercially available residential bi-directional systems are ChadeMO ones because until recently they were the only widely deployed standard that incorporated standards and protocols for that. And most of those are only available in Japan where there are incentives for them as disaster planning distributed backup power. Wallbox (yes, that's their company name, yes, it's kind of generic) is going to have some offerings in the UK in partnership with utilities in the near future, which I think that Transport Evolved has a video on with Kate. There are some that are coming for other standards, but again, availability is going to be regional.
No, you must set manually. I recently asked enelX if this could be set to a default every day. Right now it defaults to zero, so you always fully charge (unless you manually change it). I always get home at about 50% and only want to charge to 80% so it would be nice to have it default to 50%.
Do you get electricity through PGE? We'll be buying a house next year and installing at least one charger for our 2 EVs, and I'm pretty sure its all PGE around here but just curious.
Speaking of granny leads, do any BEV manufacturers besides Tesla give you a way to throttle the charge current? Tesla lets you set this to as low as 5A and I've found this invaluable when mooching a charge on a shared 110V 15A circuit. We've been looking to get a second BEV, but I haven't found this capability in the Owner's Manuals for any non-Teslas I've looked at.
what I don't understand is that most EVs (my experience is the Bolt)) have the ability to control charging times. So, if you have a demand rate you can do all of this from the EV? So this looks pretty duplicative
@@transportevolved - what do you mean by "dirty". Are you talking a corruption of the wave form? Since, at some point, you are converting to DC then why would that matter? And, also, does it really happen? with all of the electronics on the local grid can a power company really put out power that could damage those devices? this seems so much like a product in search of a mythical market
@@transportevolved - ah, did not understand. I was thinking the waveform or wave shift and I just didn't get it. So, what you are saying is that the utility will charge you a different rate based upon how much fossil fuel they use in producing that electricity. Not something I have ever seen. I have seen different rates based on time of day. Usually grids have more power available on night. I have seen different rates if they can shut you off during peaks. But, I have not seen what you have described
It's not that they will charge for using fossil fuels (although they may), but as an end user, you might not want to use energy generated by fossil fuel - and allowing the car to only charge when the electricity grid mix is made up of mainly renewable energy is something many EV owners have expressed interest in. In can also be beneficial in terms of pricing. Until battery storage capacity for utilities increases, the majority of surge capacity in many countries comes from natural gas facilities. By controlling the load from end-users, utilities can avoid turning on extra power generation facilities. These facilities are more expensive to run, and so some utilities are experimenting with passing some of those savings on to end users (so it's cheaper for you to charge if your car charges when there is already excess capacity in the grid). The next step is bidirectional charging where you, as a consumer, can choose to offer a small amount of your capacity to act as a buffer for the grid when the car is plugged in, allowing the utility to use a tiny chunk of your battery as storage. There's evidence to suggest that this is beneficial for the battery - and obviously is useful to the grid. We covered this much more in depth here: th-cam.com/video/FBhb_QfAe08/w-d-xo.html ^Kate
Tablesaws like mine can be wired to take either 120 or 240V power. 240V is much preferable as it means you have 4 times the power at the motor. I'm assuming heavy duty drill press, lathe, bandsaws can also be wired for 240. Less expensive tablesaws are usually 120V only.
i hope your wife plugs your chargeing station back in and dont foreget to when shes done or you might be dping the FRED FLINTSTONE to get to work,, it is cool the many cars that take electricity to get up and go. how does the insureance companys like these?,,, be safe, be strong, be free, be blessed
Some of us do actually need them though. In the central states, where our rural commute is 53 miles one way, 110ish both ways to the nearest grocery store, work, etc. A granny connection that MAY give us 5 miles per hour (especially during the harsh winters; average is only about 2 or 3).. you start to see the problem add up. We can't afford to wait 3 days between driving when work is involved. Our JuiceBox 40 charges the car between 4 and 8 hours, depending on our use case. What you have is a common problem with society. You think your own personal situation should apply to everyone, so you insert your own bias into the mix.
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@@bugs181 I think you misread my comment and thus "you think your own personal situation should apply to everyone, so you insert your own bias into the mix." My comment clearly says: "Not sure why you'd pay $500+ for something you don't actually need..." In your case, you do need it, so yes, you pay the price.
@ out of curiosity, what is your use case? Our family loves our EV, regardless of how far we have to drive. Even driving in the city is an absolute pleasure. We all love how “zippy” it is, with aggressive drivers on the road. It allows us to get out of the way or safely pass with the instant torque. Truckers in our area are another problem. Most would prefer to just run us over and don’t really care.
Am I better off buying an electric car if I can only use 50kw instavolt charging station at 35p a kwh, unable to charge on street where I live I don’t want anyone tripping over the lead and being sued
Yay! I keep hearing about "new" feature that Tesla has had for some time. If this keeps up, and Tesla stops innovating, the others will catch up to Tesla by 2030.
Love your show. You are the reason I am an electric car owner 2015 bmw i3.
I like how real this channel is, you are willing to show your faults and mistakes, this makes cheering your successes all that much more fun! Great video and it seems a simple install that most will be willing to attempt and be successful. Thank you!
Great video. Thanks. I might buy the JuiceBox 40 soon.
Does the juice box get vehicle state of charge Information from the j1772, or must it pull the data from the car’s internet connection?
I got one of these too! Installed by the electric company as he was putting in the 240 plug! It was a hassle connecting it to the WiFi but it finally is always connected! But found out I’m not really needing the “smart charger” aspect of it because I only pay $.05 per kWh all the time! I love it!
Art3mis nice! Ready player 1
it plugs in to 10 kW , dos it put out 10 kW? dos it have a phantom lode ? how long is the led ?
Thankfully my circuit box is right by where we park. When I eventually get a electric vehicle it will be an easy install.
Great video. I have a 2023 outlander phev on order but noticed it does not have scheduled departure like the RAV4 prime. Can the juicebox 40 intuitively know when to start charging the vehicle and have it stop charging right at 100 percent when it's my departure time? I know it's not good to leave the vehicle at 100 percent waiting in standby mode but in the RAV4 prime if you schedule your departure it will only start charging when it knows you have exactly 100 percent at departure time. I hope I explained that well enough 😃.
I have to admit the "granny charger" works well enough in Ireland - 220v makes a big difference. I'll get a car charger eventually but so far the granny lead has been perfect.
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So, the bit that got my interest was the last minute of the video. It knows what percent your car is charged to and will stop at, let’s say 80% if I wanted to? Can it do this with a 2012 or 2015 leaf and a BMW i3? Can you plug in different cars to it and it can figure this out each time?
I got a Chinese one. Simple, $420 Au delivered. 7kW Duosida. Wired to a 32A circuit.
Just curious if the hyundai "blue link" app does the same thing the juicebox software does? Blue link app can start charging at 11pm and stop by 6am or fully charged....also can override the program and press charge now. I just bought the juice 40 bcse of a $500 rebate via the utility company. I think price was $672.00 ...so I'll wind up paying $172 for something I may not need.
Thoughts?
I use public charging, our local Migros both have 2 chargers that are free of charge. I watched Plug Life and he is recommending to keep the car at between 50 to 80% during the confinement period since driving is reduced. I can charge with my granny plugs in my apartment if needed.
os this higher than 220 input from House?
I look forward to seeing the difference between the old and new Juicebox. I have an older one that I like.
Nikki does it have the ability to use the smart charge with different rates e.g in the U.K. one operator alters the rate at different times of the day including charge for free periods or heavily reduced rates and the not so often mention peek rate period when you don’t want to charge
Happy charging ^^
I use on my kona an evbox 32A 230V to support the maximum 7.2 kW charger speed in the car, but I usually reduce the charge speed to 4.2 kW in the kona settings as my main is 40A.
I love mine! I hope you enjoy yours. I have the same one for my 2018 Bolt. If you ever have any questions let me know.
I just bought one of these for my bolt and I always struggle when I'm done charging to put the cord back on to the holder and for it to lock.
Great review, thanks ... but here are a few picky points:
* A box mounted outside will require a hardwired installation. (like mine, right next to the electrical panel)
* The charger is inside the vehicle. The wall box is an interface: EVSE "electric vehicle supply equipment" (yeah, WE get to call them chargers, but YOU gotta be more exact :-)
It's sorta like calling DC stations "Level-3 chargers". They aren't chargers, and there is no such thing as a "Level-3" system.
* My electricity provider has TWO high-use periods (06:00-09:00 and 18:00-21:00)(6-9 am and pm). I have not seen an EVSE or vehicle that provide for entering more than one.
I have good wifi connections to both the Chargepoint and to the Bolt EV, so I am just using the Bolt with a high-use time of 06:00 - 21:00, leaving nighttime for charging.
It works well for my schedule.
Thanks for noting this is an EVSE, not a charger. It is basically an on/off switch to provide power to the vehicle’s built in charger. I can’t justify the prices of some of these units based on this fact.
My solution to move away from all these apps and wifi connections for changing my Volt was as follows. The evse that came with the car is 120v 12a, and charges overnight which is enough for weekday use. For the weekends and days of extra use, a 240v 16a (this is all my car will take) was purchased off of Amazon for $200 CDN.
Both evse are in the garage and I just plug in the one that’s needed.
All that was needed was to install a 240v 20a socket in the garage.
Mine was Installed by an electrician and is not hardwired. It’s connected to a 14-50 outlet with a box to protect the outlet from the elements
I like the sharing facility, much easier than upgrading the power to the property.
I’ll see if these are available in the UK.
Hello from the Lincolnshire badlands!
What is one phase V 3 phase?
Are you going to be installing solar on the house?
Does it support solar diversion?
Hoping for the hinted at update, and especially a comparo between old and new versions of the Juiceboxes, and the differences (other than cosmestic) if any. Thanks!
I too have a Siemens which I also installed in 2015. It has been 100% dependable since installation. I have often felt that I'd like WiFi capability just to know how much juice I'm using for the car each month (since 100% of the juice used does not get into the battery). BUT after seeing your video it seems like there is significant redundancy between this new unit and the capability already built into MY 2018 Bolt (with regard to partial charge...hill top...or start based on when you want it finished....etc.). So I'm wondering WHY I would get the new Juice Box to replace my venerable Siemens since it offers little to no additional utility to the capabilities I already have either in my charger or my Bolt charging settings. I assume that my original desire to have "actual juice consumed" may be extant in the new unit, BUT that hardly seems sufficient reason to spring for another 600 bucks...since I have a perfectly dependable system as is.
Can it work the other way around when there is a power cut? Can it take power from the car and power the house?
Not the EnelX JuiceBox. There are some that do, but as far as I know, all the commercially available residential bi-directional systems are ChadeMO ones because until recently they were the only widely deployed standard that incorporated standards and protocols for that. And most of those are only available in Japan where there are incentives for them as disaster planning distributed backup power. Wallbox (yes, that's their company name, yes, it's kind of generic) is going to have some offerings in the UK in partnership with utilities in the near future, which I think that Transport Evolved has a video on with Kate. There are some that are coming for other standards, but again, availability is going to be regional.
Stupid question time, does the juice box actually know your vehicles SoC or only how much power it has added? I didn’t think j1772 reported SoC
No, you must set manually. I recently asked enelX if this could be set to a default every day. Right now it defaults to zero, so you always fully charge (unless you manually change it). I always get home at about 50% and only want to charge to 80% so it would be nice to have it default to 50%.
Do you get electricity through PGE? We'll be buying a house next year and installing at least one charger for our 2 EVs, and I'm pretty sure its all PGE around here but just curious.
Time of use or dedicated meter might be useful for two EVs
what is the advantage of having the juicebox manage the battery in the car, rather than using the cars settings?
You can arrange a max charge % for cars that don't have that ability internally.
Two words. Steel Building.
Nice product
Is it WiFi only, or is RJ45 option available?
It's WiFi only at the moment, but maybe the folks at EnelX can suggest a work around?
You might be able to use a mains powered wifi extender which has a RJ45 socket included.
NEMA 14-50 sockets are all the same size. It's a standard.
Sometimes the sockets have exterior mounding.
Speaking of granny leads, do any BEV manufacturers besides Tesla give you a way to throttle the charge current? Tesla lets you set this to as low as 5A and I've found this invaluable when mooching a charge on a shared 110V 15A circuit. We've been looking to get a second BEV, but I haven't found this capability in the Owner's Manuals for any non-Teslas I've looked at.
BMW i3 allows you to set it in the car software.
Chevrolet Bolt allows you to select 8A or 12A when connected to 120V circuit.
You should show your wife's work off. Either in this channel or one dedicated to her wood working.
You should end a weekly video with your wife's woodworking.
Hi anybody found the official website for juicebox
Jason king evcharging.enelx.com/store/residential
what I don't understand is that most EVs (my experience is the Bolt)) have the ability to control charging times. So, if you have a demand rate you can do all of this from the EV? So this looks pretty duplicative
The difference is that the JuiceBox is adaptive. If your local utility mix becomes dirty, it can shut off charging until things are cleaner.
@@transportevolved - what do you mean by "dirty". Are you talking a corruption of the wave form? Since, at some point, you are converting to DC then why would that matter? And, also, does it really happen? with all of the electronics on the local grid can a power company really put out power that could damage those devices? this seems so much like a product in search of a mythical market
Dirty as in high mix of fossil fuels. ^Kate
@@transportevolved - ah, did not understand. I was thinking the waveform or wave shift and I just didn't get it. So, what you are saying is that the utility will charge you a different rate based upon how much fossil fuel they use in producing that electricity. Not something I have ever seen. I have seen different rates based on time of day. Usually grids have more power available on night. I have seen different rates if they can shut you off during peaks. But, I have not seen what you have described
It's not that they will charge for using fossil fuels (although they may), but as an end user, you might not want to use energy generated by fossil fuel - and allowing the car to only charge when the electricity grid mix is made up of mainly renewable energy is something many EV owners have expressed interest in.
In can also be beneficial in terms of pricing. Until battery storage capacity for utilities increases, the majority of surge capacity in many countries comes from natural gas facilities. By controlling the load from end-users, utilities can avoid turning on extra power generation facilities. These facilities are more expensive to run, and so some utilities are experimenting with passing some of those savings on to end users (so it's cheaper for you to charge if your car charges when there is already excess capacity in the grid).
The next step is bidirectional charging where you, as a consumer, can choose to offer a small amount of your capacity to act as a buffer for the grid when the car is plugged in, allowing the utility to use a tiny chunk of your battery as storage. There's evidence to suggest that this is beneficial for the battery - and obviously is useful to the grid. We covered this much more in depth here: th-cam.com/video/FBhb_QfAe08/w-d-xo.html
^Kate
Interesting.
Holy Hell , what kind of power tool does your wife have for woodworking that requires up to 50 amps?
Tablesaws like mine can be wired to take either 120 or 240V power. 240V is much preferable as it means you have 4 times the power at the motor. I'm assuming heavy duty drill press, lathe, bandsaws can also be wired for 240. Less expensive tablesaws are usually 120V only.
You didn’t tell us how much it cost⚡️
i hope your wife plugs your chargeing station back in and dont foreget to when shes done or you might be dping the FRED FLINTSTONE to get to work,, it is cool the many cars that take electricity to get up and go. how does the insureance companys like these?,,, be safe, be strong, be free, be blessed
Should blur out the license plate.
Been charging for the last 5 years on the granny lead, at home and work. Not sure why you'd pay $500+ for something you don't actually need...
Some of us do actually need them though. In the central states, where our rural commute is 53 miles one way, 110ish both ways to the nearest grocery store, work, etc. A granny connection that MAY give us 5 miles per hour (especially during the harsh winters; average is only about 2 or 3).. you start to see the problem add up. We can't afford to wait 3 days between driving when work is involved. Our JuiceBox 40 charges the car between 4 and 8 hours, depending on our use case. What you have is a common problem with society. You think your own personal situation should apply to everyone, so you insert your own bias into the mix.
@@bugs181 I think you misread my comment and thus "you think your own personal situation should apply to everyone, so you insert your own bias into the mix." My comment clearly says: "Not sure why you'd pay $500+ for something you don't actually need..." In your case, you do need it, so yes, you pay the price.
@ then it sounds like we had a miscommunication problem. The way the OP was worded sounded like you were implying that nobody needed it.
@@bugs181 oh I see! Sorry about that. Indeed, the best possible use of an EV is yours. Mine is mostly gathering dust, which is a bit sad 😔
@ out of curiosity, what is your use case? Our family loves our EV, regardless of how far we have to drive. Even driving in the city is an absolute pleasure. We all love how “zippy” it is, with aggressive drivers on the road. It allows us to get out of the way or safely pass with the instant torque. Truckers in our area are another problem. Most would prefer to just run us over and don’t really care.
Am I better off buying an electric car if I can only use 50kw instavolt charging station at 35p a kwh, unable to charge on street where I live I don’t want anyone tripping over the lead and being sued
ENEL X sounds like it is a dual purpose charger ...you could plug it in your car and you could plug it in your partner...
Sadly pluggable EVSE is a no go if you park outdoors
Yay! I keep hearing about "new" feature that Tesla has had for some time. If this keeps up, and Tesla stops innovating, the others will catch up to Tesla by 2030.
Stop Social Distancing and practice PERSONAL SPACING instead