So it turns out these are now sold out... Summit offroad has essentially the same one for sale on their website: summit-offroad.com/products/summit-dual-air-compressor?variant=31874405728361¤cy=USD&
In your video you said you had another video about doing the mods to the Napa compressor. Do you have a link to that video? I'm a rookie and about to make my own 4 tire inflation system and don't really understand what I need to do with the Napa compressor to make it compatible.
@@kurtmittendorf8003 but if you’re making your own 4tire inflation system you can change the connectors to make the original fittings work. I’ve not made one but they are really customizable.
So I totally forgot to mention it: we were both running 285/70/17s and we aired down to 15psi; aired up to 35psi! Also, there will be some modding to make the compressor work with the 4 tire inflation devices we used, that’s the case with a lot of these cheaper compressors. Also Check out this video of adding a pressure Switch: th-cam.com/video/34NVzXW6LxM/w-d-xo.html
Something has to be wrong with your buddies arb dual. Using my arb dual and a speedflate 4x system, with our 285/70/17 takes just a few minutes. Hell I've aired up trail buddies with 37's faster than his took for the 285's. I do have my QD fitting directly off the compressor though, not sure if that is choking his down or not. Not to take away from Napa's performance at all, very impressive. Just it sounds like something isn't quite right with his arb setup.
@@vdub5818 yeah we talked about that as a possibility and maybe I can confirm by comparing it up against another one and seeing if it’s the same amount faster with that one. The NAPA one is crazy fast though I still think it would beat it but maybe not by such a wide margin. I’ve never seen a compressor go as fast as the NAPA one.
Yup gonna try the Napa on one of my rigs already haves viair 440p but really want on that is just stand alone & ready to go 👍 thanks for the great video
Thanks for validating my purchase haha. For speed and price difference, I'll take the Napa every time. I don't really care if the ARB is higher quality given that I can buy 5 compressors from Napa and break every single one of them before I'm at the price of the ARB. Awesome video as always!
@@TheFraziers I try to “buy once/cry once”. Can’t have a compressor crap out and leave me with no air ready to head home. My viair 88p is still going hard tho after like 3 years so that’s a good one as well that’s right around $100. I’m going to look into the reliability of the Napa one this. It’s always good to know about other options.
Yeah, I really like the NAPA one so far I'm pretty happy with the purchase. Maybe one day I'll go with the ARB considering I want to add a front locker and a dual battery and the NAPA one takes up too much room for that, but I think right now I'm pretty happy.
I bought the NAPA compressor, keep in a separate bag so i can move it around, added a 90/125psi shut off switch, a standard quick connection, and a single fill hose with a quick connect for the valve stem, also set up a quick connect power connector running off the same switch for my winch and have less then 1/2 what the ARB system is. Not saying that the ARB is not great, but if funds are limited you can put together a nice set up for relatively lower cost. Ran the system a few weeks ago while at the Hot Springs off Road park, worked great.
I have an ARB with tank installed, and I always air up faster than everyone else. But because of this video, and for the price, I picked up a Napa one just to have as a second one for my other cars.
@@OXFOOT I don't 'believe' a tank will be as beneficial to people using a 4 tire inflation system. The two advantages of my smallish 2 gallon tank filling one tire at a time are: 1. I turn on the compressor before we get to the end of the trail. The tank is up to 130 or so PSI when I start to fill the first tire. The first tire is always the fastest. 2. As I move from tire to tire the compressor keeps running adding pressure to the tank. This makes each subsequent tire fill faster than if I didn't have a tank. If you have a 4 tire system you don't get the benefit of building pressure as you move from tire to tire.
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ive never set up an onboard compressor, but ive had some cheap ones in the past sitting in the trunk. Before i got an FJ i was never good to my gear or my vehicle, but some of the cheap air compressors ive had, have lasted several years, im sure the napa will have a decent lifespan
I've been waiting for a video like this to come out, and with a 4 tire Inflate system too! Definitely now considering getting a NAPA one, and I'm not afraid of a little DIY for an onboard system
Yeah you have to also cut the hose and add another fitting to make it work with the 4tire inflator. If you don’t know how to do that I have another video where I talk about how I did it to my smittybilt. I wish these companies would just make them fit universally.
@@OXFOOT with as many discounts as you can get on the NAPA websites throughout the year Im not worried about the warranty Id rather just buy another one for $85 like I just did
At some point I would like to install that Napa compressor. I have a GSPSCN tire inflator that has done a pretty good job over the last year or so. Currently $63 on Amazon.
Yeah but sadly the NAPA compressor doesn’t seem to stay in stock anymore. I think the word got out, probably partially my fault to a smaller degree, but I never see them in stock for very long.
I'm impressed by the Napa compressor. Although, I have the twin ARB mounted the same as your friends with the same hoses.(MORRFLATE?) And it only takes me around 4 1/2 minutes to do all 4 tires from 15 psi to 40psi. I've done this numerous times with the same results. I don't know why his is taking so long. Either way, that Napa is something I'm going to show my buddies that don't want to spend the money on the ARB TWIN. Thanks for the video.
It’s an odd result only because even per the specs the Napa should not theoretically be 3x faster than the arb…. Either something is way over rated or way under rated, or maybe the arb is old and tired, worn seals?
I’m sorry but your test is NOT accurate. Those two vehicles have different valve stems. They are the main restrictors between getting air from compressor to tire. It’s NOT comparable test at all. Only true way to test it is to use one trucks set of tires for both compressors. That way you have same RFO (restricting flow device) which is the valve stem. If you get same results than, then you will know what system is better. This proves nothing. Sorry. Great attempt and awesome videos, but NOT accurate results as different components were used to test.
For anyone considering the cheaper alternative, dont forget to ask yourself how reliable do you want/need the compressor to be? I personally am going for a onboard system to save space in my draws by installing inside engine bay, if i were to go the cheaper unit id have to carry a backup compressor incase the nappa failed, which defeats the purpose. If going arb id be more comfortable going without the backup unit. Am i correct, anyone disagree?
I don’t disagree with this statement. I’m willing to take the risk but I try to make people aware that it is a risk. The product hasn’t been out very long so it’s hard to say the longevity. This is mostly just a speed test; people should be aware that there is no warranty and there’s no long term results from this compressor as to how long it will last.
One other (very important) thing to consider is that the Inside Diameter of your hose will greatly affect your airing-up times. How do I know this? Because I worked in the Tire/Automotive Service Center 'industry' on/off for 20 years. If your friend's ARB system (with the green hose) is 1/4" I.D. (for example) and your NAPA system's (black hose) is 5/16" I.D. or larger, it will greatly affect the time it takes to air-up. Running off of a large 'shop' compressor, if you're attempting to remove stubborn lug nuts with a 1/2" Drive Impact Wrench - a 1/4" I.D. hose will choke the airflow so badly, it would seem that you lose 1/2 the power on your impact. Switching out to a 3/8" hose is a night/day difference. With all that said - please check the I.D. of each system's hoses and run that test again if they varied like I'm guessing. Other than all that - Thank you for the content, as I've been looking into purchasing an inexpensive compressor for my recently acquired ZJ and was not aware that one even existed from NAPA. - That alone has earned an immediate 'Subscribe' from me, off of this very first video I've seen from your channel. EDIT: Going back to look at the video for a second time, it would appear (guessing) that both hoses are probably 1/4" I.D. ? ... Well... poop. :/
Yeah I think the diameter is a bit different. My hoses are a bit wider but I’m not actually sure if the coating is just thicker or if the actual inside of the hoses is wider. That being said we tried our best to eliminate that by switching hoses. I think what we should have done and tried to do was to air each others trucks up with the opposite compressor. The tires are the exact same size but who knows what kind of variables we may have missed. Hopefully at worst this makes it so that other people test my conclusion in different ways in an effort to disprove it. The more information the better!
@@OXFOOT After viewing your reply, I found detailed technical specs on the ARB, but could not find the same amount of data available for the NAPA. It would appear though, that the NAPA compressor is rated at 300 liters per minute, whereas the highest output model of the ARB only chugs out 174.4 litres per minute.
@@dawabbitt3079 yeah that rating is what inspired this video. I thought that 300LPM was insane. I think I believe it now. I do wonder how many times in a row the NAPA one could inflate without degrading in speed. They don’t really list the duty cycle anywhere though.
@@OXFOOT After reading your most recent reply, I scanned through another TH-cam channel's review of this compressor. He showed the specs on the box which stated that the compressor draws 90 amps and the Continuous Use is rated at 40psi for 15 minutes on / 5 minutes off. Hope that helps.
Yeah I think the NAPA one was the one for me even before I knew it was that fast. The dual piston compared to my single piston smitty had to be faster.
I have the Smittybilt now and was thinking about jumping to the Napa one and keep the Smittybilt for a later purpose and beginning to think I'm sold on the idea now.
That’s how it happened for me. I loved my smittybilt but this thing is essentially the same thing but twice as fast. I wouldn’t be surprised if smitty came out with a twin piston one now though.
I have it mounted in the same place using the same C4 tray and I wired it in. Works great. I used a 100amp breaker since Napa’s claim that the compressor has one built in is just false.
Yeah I still haven’t gotten around to wiring it in but I need to get around to it. What tools did you use? Just a breaker and wired to your battery or you have a pod system or something?
@@OXFOOT i don’t have a pod so I wired it in directly to a breaker that I put on the fuse box and then wired the breaker into the battery. Gauge 6 lugs do the job and I had enough wire left to use it to connect the breaker to the battery. I think if I had a pod, I’d still wire it separately because it requires such a high amperage breaker.
I have a video on how I mounted the smittybilt compressor and realistically the only difference is turning the compressor a little to make it diagonal since the NAPA one is a wider dual piston.
Wow, wouldn't have expected this result... As somebody that has the arb twin, I'd probably now get 2 Napa twin compressors (one as a spare) and use the difference for other upgrades.
I mean for me I think that one day I’ll likely go with the ARB just because I want to do a dual battery and a front locker, however for now I’m pretty happy with this. Maybe by the time I’m ready for an ARB twin they’ll step up the speed to compete with these new big twin piston compressors.
@@OXFOOT Or just get a single piston compressor for locker(s) - which is way cheaper - and use the Napa one as a portable tire inflator, with a 1 gallon air tank, similar to the arb dual compressor kit. Regardless of your choice, thanks for the video, very informative.
I purchased a twin piston compressor by All Top...looks the same as the Napa/Maxi Trac but with a different color. Haven't put it to use yet...waiting to make some electrical mods to increase the reliability. The All Top 'supposedly' puts out just over 12 cfm, twice the output of the ARB. The big benefit to the ARB is that it has a 100% duty cycle...these portable units have a duty cycle of about 50%. Still, plenty of time to air up four tires without the unit shutting down.
That's good to know. I finished modding the compressor, so next is to air down the 33's on my Suburban to 15 and bring them back up to 40. I swapped out the circuit circuit for a relay, so the reliability should be better over the long term.@@TurtleMusica
Speed could mean it is running hotter and will die sooner. Does either one state a duty cycle? i.e. the $35 single compressors often say 10 minutes on, then 15-20 minutes off to cool down. Or else they melt down.
So someone dug and reached out to them and found the numbers. It’s rated for 40psi for 15 minutes and 5 minutes off. So you could air up a few buddies tires in that time, but personally I think like in my case I’ll just air mine up because it’s in the engine bay and will just automatically be at a higher temperature.
It’s pretty close to this video other than turning the compressor on the tray a bit. Also I found out later that it works with most battery trays as they are all made for the same size battery.
Something might be wrong with his ARB twin. I have an ARB single and even using a single air hose, I can air up from 15psi to 35psi in less than 10 minutes. My tires are 255/85/16. A bit skinnier than a 285, but a bit taller as well. My friends ARB twin is noticeably faster than my single. That being said, I'm picking up that NAPA unit as a back up! That thing is a beast!
Yeah there could be something wrong with his for all we know. I guess the best would have been to compare two arbs vs two Napa compressors to get a 100% accurate reading. I don’t have that kind of mythbusters budget though ha. Maybe I’ll do a short with another person with an ARB and make sure that it was accurate.
I think ARB makes nice stuff. Having owned a lot of it, I'm also confident in saying they are also overpriced. As an aside, I've been using the same Masterflow MV50 for almost 10 years. I had to rebuild the reed valve once, but it was easy and dirt cheap. Its fast and reliable and has held up pretty well.
Yeah I get that. I think that for most people the ARB is the way to go but if you want speed and don’t need to mount it then the NAPA would be great. Obviously you can mount the NAPA because I did but the ARB is super easy and doesn’t need to be modified a bunch.
@@OXFOOT if I had an easy place to mount the Napa I would probably consider it but in the gladiator there's kits to mount the ARB so that was the ticket for me. Good video by the way 👍
Yeah I had someone else say that before and had another friend test his and got about 9 minutes. So maybe both of theirs only has one piston going or something. Is that 4-5 minutes for all four tires on your 37s, correct?
2 ARB twin compressor died on me, the fist one had a seized piston for working for 3 minutes, send it to ARB got it back and 2 weeks later the other piston seized, got my money back and went with Co2 tanks and never looked back.
Damn that’s rough. I’ve mostly heard only good things about ARB until the comments on this video. Maybe I’m thinking the ARB isn’t that bullet proof now. CO2 tank would be something I’d love to do. A lot of folks around me have those and it is so damn fast and convenient.
@@OXFOOT indeed, in our group we all have Co2 and 1 compressor as back. I have 2 tanks and it can fill up my 40” tiers much faster than any compressor out there. You should definitely look into it. I have built my Co2 tanks with off-the-shelf parts and came out significantly cheaper than Powertanks or similar Products. You make awesome videos, Cheers 🍻
My Smittybuilt single piston comp has been a life saver. Will definitely be looking into this Napa compressor as well. Wondering how weather resistant it is
Yeah I had the smittybilt 2781 before I had the NAPA, it’s a great compressor but this one is about twice the speed as my old one. It’s a little cheaper than the smitty as well.
Maybe ARB speed is limited for the sake of longevity. Will ARB last four or five times longer? But two NAPA ones. One as a spare or for accessories to save wear and tear.Some have already said what I did (read comments after original comment).
Yeah it’s not a bad idea just get two of them and then you’ve got your backup. I’d be happy with that if it took two of them at $100 to last as long as one that cost $600.
A lot of people don't know this but the ARB twin has a serious issue. The hoses used from the compressor tank are 4mm internal diameter. If you replace the hoses with brass fittings you can get 6mm internal and vitually double airflow. Also, allways connect your compressor to a LFP battery not the vehicles lead acid or AGM. they are a lower voltage.
At that price difference the NAPA can fail quite a few times before reaching the price of the ARB. I also believe with care the NAPA one will last a long time. Under hood heat soaking of the units is probably the greatest factor to their lifespan.
@@OXFOOT Several or more companies make the same unit to various colors and such. But basically, the same and the single cylinder variety. When the reed valves break you can fix it using a piece of feeler gauge as a replacement.
@@OXFOOTdon’t think it’s “maxi trac” anymore, it’s just called Napa. I just ordered one, should be here Tuesday. It’s the same thing with their awning, used to be maxi trac, now it’s just Napa.
I have dual twin arb compressors I have never timed the setup but it’s pretty quick. I have 5 total I was planning on doing some playing around and seeing what tools you can run on that many compressors with no tank. Great video I didn’t know the Napa compressor was available. I’m impressed
@@OXFOOT I was finding that they have been sold out until I noticed that I could have it delivered to a Napa store a ways from my home. But I was going by that store in a day or two and decided to have it shipped there. I picked it up and man it rocks.
Trying to find the dimensions for the Napa compressor. It’s similar to my summit air compressor so I can try it for myself! Also going try looking at the heat rating now too!
Wow. That Napa is virtually the same size as my Smittybilt compressor. I thought I got a good deal for $150 - But the Napa is cheaper and faster?! Amazing.
I had the smitty one that I believe you’re talking about; the 2781? I love that thing but it’s about half the speed of this one. Just note that this one is about 20ish percent larger because of the additional piston. I had to tilt the Napa one to get it to fit where my Smitty was mounted.
Yeah the only real upside I see is that smittybilt has a pretty good track record with their products, maybe maxitrac does overseas but I’ll have to see how long this thing lasts. Maybe it’ll be years.
Someone else said that as well. I had my buddy time his on it’s own and he got about 9-10 minutes as well. Maybe a lot more people’s ARBs are broken than they know.
So I see you have run two different budget compressors between this video and your installation video. Between the NAPA and the Smittybuilt, which did you prefer?
Smitty built is easier to come by but it’s not nearly as powerful as the NAPA. The Napa one sells out all the time, made about the same and way faster. The smittybilt is technically not as good but a lot easier to work with because it’s smaller.
I couldn’t find it at all. I hunted for that info. Given that it only takes 3 minutes or so and I only air up my tires with them I’m still very safe operating the compressor but if I went back to back a few times and it was in the desert I’d pay close attention to it.
Ever since you have done this comparison I have been trying to get a hold of one of these napa compressors. Checking back with Napa and No luck finding one, just like the supply chain nothing is available, Check with napa today she found the very last one last week in Ohio the guy pre paid plus 50dollar shipping and no word when back in stores ☹☹
Yeah I mean summit offroad has one that’s the same compressor but a good bit more money. Someone the other day on here said that for a few hours one day they had some available and they actually ordered them but it may have just been the store near them found some.
I used the NAPA compressor to top off my trucks 33" tires. Overshot every tire even though I ran it less than 30 seconds each tire. It is quick. I will note that the inline gauge that comes with it is absolute trash in that it never reads correctly. It also goes to 150psi so it lacks the increments for fine tuning your tire pressures. For the hell of it I intend to wire up an arduino with a pressure sensor to allow me to set a pressure and have the pump auto shutoff once the pressure is met.
Yeah I instantly ditched the gauge and original hose. Took it home, opened the box and cut them right off before turning it on. The cheap ones have notoriously bad gauges so I didn’t even care to deal with it.
Just bought the NAPA sub $100 with their 20% off coupon after buying some new windshield wipers. Honestly hard to go wrong at $100 for this thing as a backup for my PowerTank
Yeah if I end up getting a different compressor like the ARB in the future to get a locker I’ll for sure keep this one as a back up. It’s been great so far, I really like it.
I have a video that tells you how and shows the parts but it’s not like a video of me actually doing it. It’s just cutting the hose and adding the barb to the connector and then putting the barb down the end of the hose then clamping it. I’ll grab the video link hang on.
It should show in the time stamps in the descriptions show where the mod instructions are, but it’s towards the end. th-cam.com/video/De10UUP5UzY/w-d-xo.html
I still have it but I swapped for this NAPA one, then they ran out of the Napa ones. This was faster than the smittybilt but I still think the smittybilt is one of the best ones in its price bracket.
@@OXFOOT Thanks for the response. I picked up a VIair 400P and was thinking about simply storing it in the engine bay with some fab-work, but never thought of actually mouninting it until I saw your vid haha.
I wish I could find that info. I tried to find it. If it was viable I’d love to get a front locker. I need to figure that out and finish wiring this thing in as well.
This one at the end ha all the stuff you need. You’ll just cut the hose and slide the barb in, slide a clamp down the hose, attach the connector to the barb and then slide the clamp back up over the part with the barb to keep it tight and then screw down the clamp.
I would buy the ARB. I have the same compressor as the Napa one because a lot of companies are buying the same ones from overseas and labeling as their own. But I’ve had to replace it already and that was after owning it for like 2 weeks. All of the bolts started to back out and the air cleaner caps on top of the pistons always fall off. It’s just cheaply made. I’ll be switching to ARB when I have the money
Thanks for sharing that with us. I’ll keep an eye on it to see if the thing that happened to yours of another brand. I think that I may eventually go the ARB route because I want to add a dual battery and the NAPA is taking up that spot right now.
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I have the same Napa compressor mounted under the engine bay exactly the same way. I went on a trail for a few hours yesterday and when it was time to air up, it didn't work. The heat while under the hood tripped the thermal cutoff. I had to wait 10 mins for it to cool down. Which pretty much negated my air up time savings 😂. I'm going to try some type of heat shield, if that doesn't work, I'll just rip it out.
Oh damn, I hadn’t run into that with mine yet. Maybe it’s just been cold here since I started using it. I’ll have to keep an eye out for that. We’re you running it with the hood open or do you have it wired to a dash button and out the grill or something?
Never tested the NAPA so I'm not digging on it, but my ARB twin inflates four 37" x12.5" from 10psi to 37psi in 7.5 minutes as an average. But, if the NAPA was an option when I built my setup.... at the price and color (I love my Punk'n and black Jeep) I might of gone that route.
Yeah I’ve heard from a few people that theirs is faster, I have seen them a lot faster than the one from this video but it still seems like the NAPA one is faster but maybe it’s not as different as mine was compared to this one.
I do wonder if the Napa one would fit in the Jeep engine bay, I know y’all’s is a lot smaller than the 4Runner engine bay. At least the 2010’s one are smaller, not sure about the new ones.
I have my ARB twin mounted in a Ridge tool box. I do all four at the same time. All the hoses, manifold, fittings and digital pressure gauge all fit inside the toolbox. I can move it to my wife's Jeep or setup a fit station at the end of a run.
I've watched a few MaxiTrac videos and the fill times seem to be much closer between the ARB/Maxitrac than what you experienced. I found maxitrac one that filled 37" tires from 12 to 33lbs and it was very close to what my ARB was able to do. Yours is the first where they do all 4 tires at the same time so that's interesting and perhaps accounts for some of the difference (although I can't figure out how it would). Anyways, I just found it interesting this had such a difference. Is your buddy sure both sides of his ARB are operating? There is separate wiring for each side so it is possible to have half the compressor not running.
Yeah a few folks have said that as well. I have had other folks test their arb and while theirs was a decent amount faster the NAPA was still faster by a bit. Apparently there are a few companies in Australia that make very similar products to that Napa one if not exact clones and they have come up with similar conclusions that they are faster than the ARB.
That being said I don’t think they are as off as this one was. I think maybe one of his pistons is weak or something. Which is unfortunate for this test but the general consensus is that it’s faster but just really just bulky, cheaper made, and silly looking.
@@MotoringAdventures_KE7SAI And the Maxitrac comes with zero warranty. The ARB also has 100% cycle time. Additionally, if half the ARB fails it appears it will still work. The ARB is also more compact and has lots of aftermarket support for mounting solutions. Is it worth spending 5 or 6 times the amount? Each person has to decide for themselves. It would suck to be far from town with your tires aired down to 10lbs and an inoperable compressor.
Ya this seems pretty conclusive. In fairness to the ARB, they could probably nearly double their CFM if they dialled their duty cycle back to the 50-60% the NAPA is at.
It's not made to go in there but I made it fit. The Smittybilt one I had in there for the last year said not to do that as well but I talked with them and found the heat rating and it was fine. Checked the materials on this one and it was the same. Now that doesn't mean go ahead and put your viar in there, but you probably could, I'd check the materials and heat rating and see what you can find out.
Still holding up just fine. Still using it. I have a video on installing a smitty built and it’s the same process but you just need to turn it a bit to make the bigger Napa one fit and not hit the engine.
@@OXFOOT Thanks for the reply. I also recently bought a similar compressor. I'm going to improve it a bit more though. It doesn't have its full potential.)
faster does not always say better. durability is a big thing here. will the nape hold up for very long? sure cheap is the co$t point. sure you can buy a number of them before hitting the price point of the better brand (read pay hard earned cash for a name). would you need to have a spare napa compresser for when the first one stops pumping air? how does it hold up to filling a 5 gallon tank with air up to 150 psi?
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I had one similar to Napa due to the hype and it reached thermal overload then shut off at 4th tyre. (31’s). Used it twice then sold it. I didn’t like the build quality. My smittybilt feels much better (160L/min) so decided to keep it and now will get an arb cuz I have two rigs.
Yeah I had a smittybilt before this one and it’s still working but about half the speed. I’ve been lucky with my Napa that I’ve been able to air up mine and then others back to back with no issues. Maybe I got lucky with mine.
Thats really supposed to be an outside unit that does not fit in 90 percent of offroad vehicles. I have a compressor that is faster than the ARB too, but I'm not lugging around a big compressor every time I go to the trail, I need space for a fridge and other gear, and the bigger units like that overheat fast and need cool down time, while that ARB will never overheat, and run lockers if needed. Different applications. The ARB purpose is for overlanding and space saving.
Yeah the ARB is great and if I could logically afford to go that route I would. Any one who has asked me I’d say the same thing. That price tag is just a bit too much for me.
I installed the smitty built I had but the concept is the same just turn the compressor diagonally so it doesn’t hit the engine. th-cam.com/video/De10UUP5UzY/w-d-xo.html
@@OXFOOT damn then 3 or 4 minutes for all of them is way fast. Mine takes like 8 to 9 for all 4 from 18 to 36 and they're smaller tires. So slightly more than twice as fast.
Great video. I have a question about the versatility of the NAPA compressor, though. Since it puts out so much air, is it still useable for airing up car tires? My wife's Mazda had her TPS sensor go off the other day (Likely just temperature swing here) but it made me wonder if the compressors I was looking at for a 4WD truck could still be used to top off tires like hers or just blow the beads off the rims.
Yeah I mean at it’s speed I would think you’d be fine just keep a close eye on it. Like don’t leave the compressor’s side while you’re doing it. Maybe run it for like 10 seconds and see what it’s at.
So far so good. I would imagine if I had any issues with it would be due to water getting in it somehow but I thought the same with the smittybilt and that lasted me at least a year and a half.
@@fatmattsadventures2796 If you want something thats been tested many times then go smitty, if you want something fast that seems to be working alright go with the NAPA. It's a tough call. Also what size tires do you have? A big reason I wanted to go NAPA was because I was going to and then did eventually go up to size 305/70/17
Can I suggest a way to improve the comparison, use only one vehicle. Use on only gauge. Deflate all 4 tires use the moreflate or the other system. Inflate two tires (Front and Back with one compressor and time it. Inflate the other two tires with the other compressor and time it. That should probably more accurate results. Nice video!
That’s a really good idea, we tried to do something similar but since our hoses are both made just for our vehicle both of them didn’t really reach. Maybe I could come back to this and see if we can find or build something that’ll work.
Even if it doesn't last as long, I'm sure 5 of them would out last the ARB. You can buy 5 of them for the approximate price of the one ARB. The price of the ARB pisses me off so I wouldn't buy one anyway. That's foolishness.
And who knows, maybe it will last a long time. I'm really only saying that to save my own a** if these things don't last that long. For all I know they might outlast the ARB.
Thanks for the video. I was just discussing a comparison of these two compressors. Very happy you did this. One comment I would say to eliminate as many variables as possible you could have just used all of your equipment on your tires on your vehicle be test both compressors. That would have been a little more apples to apples but either way the napa compressor smoked the ARB twin.
Yeah that was our original thought. We were going to both air up with each others compressor and use just one hose but the damn hoses weren’t long enough because we both have our compressors mounted in the engine bay. I could have undone mine and tried it that way but then his still wouldn’t reach. We thought of tons of different methods but ultimately that’s the one we ended up on because of hose constraints.
I think this compressor got too much attention because I just called NAPA to order it and it has been discontinued. Sucks I couldn't get my hands on one
Yeah that happened pretty quickly I guess. Summit offroad has one that’s the same speed but it’s $189. If you go on their page it’s the red one. It claims 300LPM which is the same as the NAPA compressor.
Going with the Maxitrac is a no brainier. It’s the best bang for the buck at the moment. ARB didn’t really have much competition in the past but these new compressors are giving them a run for their money. I think the ARB is overpriced.
Yeah I still like the ARB but it’s so overpriced, maybe they’ll bring it down. The one big bonus for me is that it works with the 4tire inflation straight from the box, no modification. If you’ve got a few bucks and 30 minutes though the NAPA fits no problem.
I've got the ARB dual and can do all 4 tires with my 4 way harness in mid 3 minutes. If it's taking 10 minutes there's something wrong with the setup!!! 255/80R17's.
Yeah someone else mentioned that. I’ll try to organize a head to head with someone else who has the same size tires as me and see if we get the same results again. I know that mine is fast and so is the ARB, I got no skin in the game not sponsored or anything. Trying to be as fair as possible.
@@OXFOOT I did a DIY 4 way harness using 3/8 air tubing and went with matching hardware pieces too. While I do have a 1g air tank, I know for how little air it holds it doesn't do much besides act as a buffer with checking pressures. I figured the ARB was gonna be like 4 minutes and was honestly like WTF with 10 minutes. I was close to 10 with my dual MV-50'S before one died one me.
I'd still go for the Napa over the ARB. I won't buy an overpriced air compressor just for it's brand name. Saying the ARB will last long is not accurate for you are not sure at all.
Yeah I’ve had buddies of mine who’ve had theirs for years and they’ve had no problems but people have been commenting on this video saying they haven’t all had the same luck. The NAPA could be the same or better.
Woah! They have 30% off now? Maybe that’s a Black Friday thing? They had 20% off a few days ago if you buy 3 things but even that was a good deal considering I paid full price.
This genuinely caught me off guard. Perhaps the NAPA compressor won’t last as long but with that price and performance it’d be worth replacing if and when it does break. My only reservation on it is the look. The ARB twin looks significantly cleaner and more like it’s meant to be there.
Yeah it’s aesthetically not my favorite. It’s massive, bulky, bright orange and just clearly not as nice as the ARB. That being said, in my engine bay it’s not noticeable. I may eventually go ARB because I want to go lockers and have a dual battery which I could only partially do with my current set up.
@@OXFOOT agreed. Just wish the ARB had similar performance because 10 minutes seems like a ridiculous amount of time when you’ve paid $600+ dollars for the setup.
So it turns out these are now sold out... Summit offroad has essentially the same one for sale on their website: summit-offroad.com/products/summit-dual-air-compressor?variant=31874405728361¤cy=USD&
In your video you said you had another video about doing the mods to the Napa compressor. Do you have a link to that video? I'm a rookie and about to make my own 4 tire inflation system and don't really understand what I need to do with the Napa compressor to make it compatible.
@@kurtmittendorf8003 it’s towards the end of this video. th-cam.com/video/De10UUP5UzY/w-d-xo.html
@@kurtmittendorf8003 but if you’re making your own 4tire inflation system you can change the connectors to make the original fittings work. I’ve not made one but they are really customizable.
$189 🤦🏻♂️😬
@@gufiaito69able yeah it’s the same thing basically. Can’t believe the markup on those.
So I totally forgot to mention it: we were both running 285/70/17s and we aired down to 15psi; aired up to 35psi!
Also, there will be some modding to make the compressor work with the 4 tire inflation devices we used, that’s the case with a lot of these cheaper compressors.
Also Check out this video of adding a pressure Switch: th-cam.com/video/34NVzXW6LxM/w-d-xo.html
Just a thought, maybe you use yours to air up his tires and he uses his to air up your tires. That would take care of any doubts.
@@jwat2396 man we tried but couldn’t get any of our hoses to reach each others vehicle! We wanted to.
Awesome video glad I bought the Napa one. Are you gonna make a video on how to customize the hose to fit the 4 tire inflator or you already did🤙🏽
Something has to be wrong with your buddies arb dual. Using my arb dual and a speedflate 4x system, with our 285/70/17 takes just a few minutes. Hell I've aired up trail buddies with 37's faster than his took for the 285's. I do have my QD fitting directly off the compressor though, not sure if that is choking his down or not.
Not to take away from Napa's performance at all, very impressive. Just it sounds like something isn't quite right with his arb setup.
@@vdub5818 yeah we talked about that as a possibility and maybe I can confirm by comparing it up against another one and seeing if it’s the same amount faster with that one. The NAPA one is crazy fast though I still think it would beat it but maybe not by such a wide margin. I’ve never seen a compressor go as fast as the NAPA one.
What do y’all think? Would you try the MAPA compressor out or would you rather go the ARB?
NAPA*
Even if it’s less reliable you could replace it 5 times over before you spend as much as the arb!
I would definitely try the Napa compressor! Thanks for the review
Yup gonna try the Napa on one of my rigs already haves viair 440p but really want on that is just stand alone & ready to go 👍 thanks for the great video
@@Duff_Ski yeah I think you’ll be happy. Hopefully it has the longevity to go along with the speed.
Thanks for validating my purchase haha. For speed and price difference, I'll take the Napa every time. I don't really care if the ARB is higher quality given that I can buy 5 compressors from Napa and break every single one of them before I'm at the price of the ARB. Awesome video as always!
Then after the 6th one breaks you finally decide to get the arb lol.
@@n.r.8719 nah I’ll still buy a Napa and enjoy the speed
@@TheFraziers I try to “buy once/cry once”. Can’t have a compressor crap out and leave me with no air ready to head home. My viair 88p is still going hard tho after like 3 years so that’s a good one as well that’s right around $100. I’m going to look into the reliability of the Napa one this. It’s always good to know about other options.
@@n.r.8719 I own the Napa and it seems really solid. I think you’d be impressed honestly.
Yeah, I really like the NAPA one so far I'm pretty happy with the purchase. Maybe one day I'll go with the ARB considering I want to add a front locker and a dual battery and the NAPA one takes up too much room for that, but I think right now I'm pretty happy.
Wow I'm blown away by the results. Definitely picking one up asap
Yeah even I was surprised when we shot it. Like it has no business being that fast lol.
I had to watch this twice because it was just so well done! Awesome work buddy!
Hell yeah, more views more comments. I’ll take it. Lol
I bought the NAPA compressor, keep in a separate bag so i can move it around, added a 90/125psi shut off switch, a standard quick connection, and a single fill hose with a quick connect for the valve stem, also set up a quick connect power connector running off the same switch for my winch and have less then 1/2 what the ARB system is. Not saying that the ARB is not great, but if funds are limited you can put together a nice set up for relatively lower cost. Ran the system a few weeks ago while at the Hot Springs off Road park, worked great.
There is a mount you can buy through Thors Lightning that is made for the Napa Compressor! I just mine installed a few days ago.
I have an ARB with tank installed, and I always air up faster than everyone else. But because of this video, and for the price, I picked up a Napa one just to have as a second one for my other cars.
Yeah the tank is something that a lot of folks have said. I even looked into doing just a straight up powertank and using my compressor for back up.
@@OXFOOT I don't 'believe' a tank will be as beneficial to people using a 4 tire inflation system. The two advantages of my smallish 2 gallon tank filling one tire at a time are: 1. I turn on the compressor before we get to the end of the trail. The tank is up to 130 or so PSI when I start to fill the first tire. The first tire is always the fastest. 2. As I move from tire to tire the compressor keeps running adding pressure to the tank. This makes each subsequent tire fill faster than if I didn't have a tank. If you have a 4 tire system you don't get the benefit of building pressure as you move from tire to tire.
ive never set up an onboard compressor, but ive had some cheap ones in the past sitting in the trunk. Before i got an FJ i was never good to my gear or my vehicle, but some of the cheap air compressors ive had, have lasted several years, im sure the napa will have a decent lifespan
I've been waiting for a video like this to come out, and with a 4 tire Inflate system too! Definitely now considering getting a NAPA one, and I'm not afraid of a little DIY for an onboard system
Yeah you have to also cut the hose and add another fitting to make it work with the 4tire inflator. If you don’t know how to do that I have another video where I talk about how I did it to my smittybilt. I wish these companies would just make them fit universally.
Ordered the NAPA compressor an hour ago
Yeah I really like it. I really wish they would have added a warranty to it, but I guess at that price beggars can’t be choosers.
@@OXFOOT with as many discounts as you can get on the NAPA websites throughout the year Im not worried about the warranty Id rather just buy another one for $85 like I just did
@@hayesginther897 Yeah I heard they had a crazy 20% off deal going right now, you have to buy 3 things. I just missed it I guess.
Where is the video that shows you modding the fitting to work and what fittings do you need?
It’s a video I did on fitting my smittybilt one in my battery tray. The end of the video shows you what you need hang on I’ll grab that video.
th-cam.com/video/De10UUP5UzY/w-d-xo.html
At some point I would like to install that Napa compressor. I have a GSPSCN tire inflator that has done a pretty good job over the last year or so. Currently $63 on Amazon.
Yeah but sadly the NAPA compressor doesn’t seem to stay in stock anymore. I think the word got out, probably partially my fault to a smaller degree, but I never see them in stock for very long.
I'm impressed by the Napa compressor. Although, I have the twin ARB mounted the same as your friends with the same hoses.(MORRFLATE?) And it only takes me around 4 1/2 minutes to do all 4 tires from 15 psi to 40psi. I've done this numerous times with the same results. I don't know why his is taking so long. Either way, that Napa is something I'm going to show my buddies that don't want to spend the money on the ARB TWIN. Thanks for the video.
I’ll have to try it again and see. Planning the head to head was tough but maybe I can coordinate and try to film a TH-cam short testing them again.
It’s an odd result only because even per the specs the Napa should not theoretically be 3x faster than the arb…. Either something is way over rated or way under rated, or maybe the arb is old and tired, worn seals?
I’m sorry but your test is NOT accurate. Those two vehicles have different valve stems. They are the main restrictors between getting air from compressor to tire. It’s NOT comparable test at all. Only true way to test it is to use one trucks set of tires for both compressors. That way you have same RFO (restricting flow device) which is the valve stem. If you get same results than, then you will know what system is better. This proves nothing. Sorry. Great attempt and awesome videos, but NOT accurate results as different components were used to test.
Glad to see you pick up the compressor also. It really is good though for the price.
Yeah I’m really happy with it so far. The big thing for me will be longevity as I’m not exactly sure how weather sealed it is. Should be fine though.
For anyone considering the cheaper alternative, dont forget to ask yourself how reliable do you want/need the compressor to be? I personally am going for a onboard system to save space in my draws by installing inside engine bay, if i were to go the cheaper unit id have to carry a backup compressor incase the nappa failed, which defeats the purpose. If going arb id be more comfortable going without the backup unit. Am i correct, anyone disagree?
I don’t disagree with this statement. I’m willing to take the risk but I try to make people aware that it is a risk. The product hasn’t been out very long so it’s hard to say the longevity. This is mostly just a speed test; people should be aware that there is no warranty and there’s no long term results from this compressor as to how long it will last.
I believe in "you get what you paid for" 🤙🏼
You can buy a brand new vehicle off the lot and break down a mile down the road
@@swedesspeedshop2518 very true
@@swedesspeedshop2518 risk management
One other (very important) thing to consider is that the Inside Diameter of your hose will greatly affect your airing-up times. How do I know this? Because I worked in the Tire/Automotive Service Center 'industry' on/off for 20 years.
If your friend's ARB system (with the green hose) is 1/4" I.D. (for example) and your NAPA system's (black hose) is 5/16" I.D. or larger, it will greatly affect the time it takes to air-up.
Running off of a large 'shop' compressor, if you're attempting to remove stubborn lug nuts with a 1/2" Drive Impact Wrench - a 1/4" I.D. hose will choke the airflow so badly, it would seem that you lose 1/2 the power on your impact. Switching out to a 3/8" hose is a night/day difference.
With all that said - please check the I.D. of each system's hoses and run that test again if they varied like I'm guessing. Other than all that - Thank you for the content, as I've been looking into purchasing an inexpensive compressor for my recently acquired ZJ and was not aware that one even existed from NAPA. - That alone has earned an immediate 'Subscribe' from me, off of this very first video I've seen from your channel.
EDIT: Going back to look at the video for a second time, it would appear (guessing) that both hoses are probably 1/4" I.D. ? ... Well... poop. :/
Yeah I think the diameter is a bit different. My hoses are a bit wider but I’m not actually sure if the coating is just thicker or if the actual inside of the hoses is wider. That being said we tried our best to eliminate that by switching hoses. I think what we should have done and tried to do was to air each others trucks up with the opposite compressor. The tires are the exact same size but who knows what kind of variables we may have missed. Hopefully at worst this makes it so that other people test my conclusion in different ways in an effort to disprove it. The more information the better!
@@OXFOOT After viewing your reply, I found detailed technical specs on the ARB, but could not find the same amount of data available for the NAPA. It would appear though, that the NAPA compressor is rated at 300 liters per minute, whereas the highest output model of the ARB only chugs out 174.4 litres per minute.
@@dawabbitt3079 yeah that rating is what inspired this video. I thought that 300LPM was insane. I think I believe it now. I do wonder how many times in a row the NAPA one could inflate without degrading in speed. They don’t really list the duty cycle anywhere though.
@@OXFOOT After reading your most recent reply, I scanned through another TH-cam channel's review of this compressor. He showed the specs on the box which stated that the compressor draws 90 amps and the Continuous Use is rated at 40psi for 15 minutes on / 5 minutes off. Hope that helps.
@@dawabbitt3079 thanks! Yeah that helps a lot. I’ll add that to the pinned comment.
Very interesting, I've heard people say it was faster and still had doubts until now. Budget wise for me it would be the Napa.
Yeah I think the NAPA one was the one for me even before I knew it was that fast. The dual piston compared to my single piston smitty had to be faster.
I have the Smittybilt now and was thinking about jumping to the Napa one and keep the Smittybilt for a later purpose and beginning to think I'm sold on the idea now.
That’s how it happened for me. I loved my smittybilt but this thing is essentially the same thing but twice as fast. I wouldn’t be surprised if smitty came out with a twin piston one now though.
I bought the harbor freight $70 single piston compressor and it worked pretty well too. I haven't used it with any kind of 4 tire hose though
Yeah I had a single piston one before I got this one and it was plenty fast enough. This one is almost overkill ha.
I have it mounted in the same place using the same C4 tray and I wired it in. Works great. I used a 100amp breaker since Napa’s claim that the compressor has one built in is just false.
Yeah I still haven’t gotten around to wiring it in but I need to get around to it. What tools did you use? Just a breaker and wired to your battery or you have a pod system or something?
@@OXFOOT i don’t have a pod so I wired it in directly to a breaker that I put on the fuse box and then wired the breaker into the battery. Gauge 6 lugs do the job and I had enough wire left to use it to connect the breaker to the battery. I think if I had a pod, I’d still wire it separately because it requires such a high amperage breaker.
Any vid on how you mount the napa aircompressor and the 4 way inflation ?
I have a video on how I mounted the smittybilt compressor and realistically the only difference is turning the compressor a little to make it diagonal since the NAPA one is a wider dual piston.
th-cam.com/video/De10UUP5UzY/w-d-xo.html
Wow, wouldn't have expected this result... As somebody that has the arb twin, I'd probably now get 2 Napa twin compressors (one as a spare) and use the difference for other upgrades.
I mean for me I think that one day I’ll likely go with the ARB just because I want to do a dual battery and a front locker, however for now I’m pretty happy with this. Maybe by the time I’m ready for an ARB twin they’ll step up the speed to compete with these new big twin piston compressors.
@@OXFOOT Or just get a single piston compressor for locker(s) - which is way cheaper - and use the Napa one as a portable tire inflator, with a 1 gallon air tank, similar to the arb dual compressor kit. Regardless of your choice, thanks for the video, very informative.
I purchased a twin piston compressor by All Top...looks the same as the Napa/Maxi Trac but with a different color. Haven't put it to use yet...waiting to make some electrical mods to increase the reliability. The All Top 'supposedly' puts out just over 12 cfm, twice the output of the ARB. The big benefit to the ARB is that it has a 100% duty cycle...these portable units have a duty cycle of about 50%. Still, plenty of time to air up four tires without the unit shutting down.
I’ve used my maxi trac to air up 3 cars from 15-40, 2 sets of 33 and 1 set of 37 and I still haven’t hit the duty cycle 😅
That's good to know. I finished modding the compressor, so next is to air down the 33's on my Suburban to 15 and bring them back up to 40. I swapped out the circuit circuit for a relay, so the reliability should be better over the long term.@@TurtleMusica
Speed could mean it is running hotter and will die sooner. Does either one state a duty cycle? i.e. the $35 single compressors often say 10 minutes on, then 15-20 minutes off to cool down. Or else they melt down.
So someone dug and reached out to them and found the numbers. It’s rated for 40psi for 15 minutes and 5 minutes off. So you could air up a few buddies tires in that time, but personally I think like in my case I’ll just air mine up because it’s in the engine bay and will just automatically be at a higher temperature.
Do you have an install video and the different parts and hoses you use?
Yeah so it’s the same install as my old smittybilt but you need to twist this one a bit to make it not hit the engine. Hang on I’ll link the video.
th-cam.com/video/De10UUP5UzY/w-d-xo.html
It’s pretty close to this video other than turning the compressor on the tray a bit. Also I found out later that it works with most battery trays as they are all made for the same size battery.
Something might be wrong with his ARB twin. I have an ARB single and even using a single air hose, I can air up from 15psi to 35psi in less than 10 minutes. My tires are 255/85/16. A bit skinnier than a 285, but a bit taller as well. My friends ARB twin is noticeably faster than my single. That being said, I'm picking up that NAPA unit as a back up! That thing is a beast!
Yeah there could be something wrong with his for all we know. I guess the best would have been to compare two arbs vs two Napa compressors to get a 100% accurate reading. I don’t have that kind of mythbusters budget though ha. Maybe I’ll do a short with another person with an ARB and make sure that it was accurate.
I think ARB makes nice stuff. Having owned a lot of it, I'm also confident in saying they are also overpriced. As an aside, I've been using the same Masterflow MV50 for almost 10 years. I had to rebuild the reed valve once, but it was easy and dirt cheap. Its fast and reliable and has held up pretty well.
Yeah I totally still love ARB products but they are a bit expensive. They’ve been in the game for a while doing great things though.
Yeah that’s awesome, I hope I have the same luck with my NAPA one that you had with your MV50.
I may have fallen off the turnip truck a few times but not this time. NAPA all the way. Great review.
Yeah I’m super happy with this thing. I’d only seen one review on it so far so I kinda took a risk but it paid off.
For me I'll go with reliability and eas of installation. But at the end of the trail it's what puts air back in your tires that counts.
Yeah I get that. I think that for most people the ARB is the way to go but if you want speed and don’t need to mount it then the NAPA would be great. Obviously you can mount the NAPA because I did but the ARB is super easy and doesn’t need to be modified a bunch.
@@OXFOOT if I had an easy place to mount the Napa I would probably consider it but in the gladiator there's kits to mount the ARB so that was the ticket for me. Good video by the way 👍
Double check the ARB, per the times you guys are getting, sounds like one piston is out. I have a twin ARB and get about 4 - 5 min on 37X13.50
Yeah I had someone else say that before and had another friend test his and got about 9 minutes. So maybe both of theirs only has one piston going or something. Is that 4-5 minutes for all four tires on your 37s, correct?
@@OXFOOT yes, for all 4 tires. 15psi to 35psi.
2 ARB twin compressor died on me, the fist one had a seized piston for working for 3 minutes, send it to ARB got it back and 2 weeks later the other piston seized, got my money back and went with Co2 tanks and never looked back.
Damn that’s rough. I’ve mostly heard only good things about ARB until the comments on this video. Maybe I’m thinking the ARB isn’t that bullet proof now. CO2 tank would be something I’d love to do. A lot of folks around me have those and it is so damn fast and convenient.
@@OXFOOT indeed, in our group we all have Co2 and 1 compressor as back. I have 2 tanks and it can fill up my 40” tiers much faster than any compressor out there. You should definitely look into it. I have built my Co2 tanks with off-the-shelf parts and came out significantly cheaper than Powertanks or similar Products.
You make awesome videos,
Cheers 🍻
My Smittybuilt single piston comp has been a life saver. Will definitely be looking into this Napa compressor as well. Wondering how weather resistant it is
Yeah I had the smittybilt 2781 before I had the NAPA, it’s a great compressor but this one is about twice the speed as my old one. It’s a little cheaper than the smitty as well.
Great Video i’m very impressed how the Napa com. worked. Can you send me the link to the video for the fittings to adapt the 4 tire hose
Sure I can grab that.
It’s the end of this video. th-cam.com/video/De10UUP5UzY/w-d-xo.html
Shouldn’t take much more than like 10-15 minutes. One cut and it’s pretty much as I say in the video.
Maybe ARB speed is limited for the sake of longevity. Will ARB last four or five times longer? But two NAPA ones. One as a spare or for accessories to save wear and tear.Some have already said what I did (read comments after original comment).
Yeah it’s not a bad idea just get two of them and then you’ve got your backup. I’d be happy with that if it took two of them at $100 to last as long as one that cost $600.
A lot of people don't know this but the ARB twin has a serious issue. The hoses used from the compressor tank are 4mm internal diameter. If you replace the hoses with brass fittings you can get 6mm internal and vitually double airflow. Also, allways connect your compressor to a LFP battery not the vehicles lead acid or AGM. they are a lower voltage.
Thanks for the information!
Thankyou for posting this. I've been looking for alternatives to the ARB Twin and Co2 bottles and it seems this is the best option so far.
Yeah with just a little modding to the connector this thing is an absolute beast.
At that price difference the NAPA can fail quite a few times before reaching the price of the ARB. I also believe with care the NAPA one will last a long time. Under hood heat soaking of the units is probably the greatest factor to their lifespan.
True, but I think they actually quit making the NAPA one sadly. Summit/SSW has one that they made that’s great but it’s a little more money.
@@OXFOOT Several or more companies make the same unit to various colors and such. But basically, the same and the single cylinder variety. When the reed valves break you can fix it using a piece of feeler gauge as a replacement.
@@OXFOOTdon’t think it’s “maxi trac” anymore, it’s just called Napa. I just ordered one, should be here Tuesday. It’s the same thing with their awning, used to be maxi trac, now it’s just Napa.
I have dual twin arb compressors I have never timed the setup but it’s pretty quick. I have 5 total I was planning on doing some playing around and seeing what tools you can run on that many compressors with no tank. Great video I didn’t know the Napa compressor was available. I’m impressed
Yeah it was available for a while but they have been sold out for months now.
Do you still have the part number handy?
@@SuperchargedSecondGen for the compressor? Should just be on their website. Not sure of the number.
@@OXFOOT I was finding that they have been sold out until I noticed that I could have it delivered to a Napa store a ways from my home. But I was going by that store in a day or two and decided to have it shipped there. I picked it up and man it rocks.
Trying to find the dimensions for the Napa compressor. It’s similar to my summit air compressor so I can try it for myself! Also going try looking at the heat rating now too!
Is the summit one a dual piston? Is it summit like the wheel company?
@@OXFOOT yeah summit racing one is dual piston . Also not sure where to find heat rating.
It is the same compressor. All these companies are buying the same compressor from over seas and labeling as their own.
I have the summit one.
Not surprised lol
Nice! But I still go with the ARB mounted in my rig and maybe have the Napa use as a backup I mean 100 is a good deal
Too bad they quick making them. It was too good to be true and the supply chain couldn’t keep up I guess.
Wow. That Napa is virtually the same size as my Smittybilt compressor. I thought I got a good deal for $150 - But the Napa is cheaper and faster?! Amazing.
I had the smitty one that I believe you’re talking about; the 2781? I love that thing but it’s about half the speed of this one. Just note that this one is about 20ish percent larger because of the additional piston. I had to tilt the Napa one to get it to fit where my Smitty was mounted.
@@OXFOOT ahhh, make sense. Bigger is better in this case. But bigger, faster, and cheaper? Shoot, I'm sold. lol
Great content, btw. Keep it up.
Yeah the only real upside I see is that smittybilt has a pretty good track record with their products, maybe maxitrac does overseas but I’ll have to see how long this thing lasts. Maybe it’ll be years.
Also thanks! Appreciate the feedback.
I have the ARB Dual and something is wrong with his. I'm thinking only one of the Pistons is working. Mine is way quicker.
Someone else said that as well. I had my buddy time his on it’s own and he got about 9-10 minutes as well. Maybe a lot more people’s ARBs are broken than they know.
So I see you have run two different budget compressors between this video and your installation video. Between the NAPA and the Smittybuilt, which did you prefer?
Smitty built is easier to come by but it’s not nearly as powerful as the NAPA. The Napa one sells out all the time, made about the same and way faster. The smittybilt is technically not as good but a lot easier to work with because it’s smaller.
Link to the Napa compressor no longer works. Is there only one?
Definitely getting one now, awesome video!
Like I said in the video who knows how long it will last but it could be better and longer lasting than the ARB for all I know. Only time will tell.
is 10-11 minutes with deflating? I get 3:30 to 4 minutes with 4 way and maxi trac airing up 7-32psi (315/70/17 almost 35's)
So it’s 3:30 going down to 15 PSI and up to 35. We both had 285/70/17s. I will have 305s soon so I’ll have to see how much that affects the time.
What is the duty cycle of the NAPA? The ARB looks so much better
I couldn’t find it at all. I hunted for that info. Given that it only takes 3 minutes or so and I only air up my tires with them I’m still very safe operating the compressor but if I went back to back a few times and it was in the desert I’d pay close attention to it.
And yeah as far as aesthetics the ARB is head and shoulders above the rest.
Ever since you have done this comparison I have been trying to get a hold of one of these napa compressors. Checking back with Napa and No luck finding one, just like the supply chain nothing is available, Check with napa today she found the very last one last week in Ohio the guy pre paid plus 50dollar shipping and no word when back in stores ☹☹
Yeah I mean summit offroad has one that’s the same compressor but a good bit more money. Someone the other day on here said that for a few hours one day they had some available and they actually ordered them but it may have just been the store near them found some.
Damn, the summit offroad one is sold out too!
I'm trying to find a clone! It's harder than I thought it would be.. the last Maxi I seen on ebay was yesterday and it went for over $300..
I used the NAPA compressor to top off my trucks 33" tires. Overshot every tire even though I ran it less than 30 seconds each tire. It is quick.
I will note that the inline gauge that comes with it is absolute trash in that it never reads correctly. It also goes to 150psi so it lacks the increments for fine tuning your tire pressures.
For the hell of it I intend to wire up an arduino with a pressure sensor to allow me to set a pressure and have the pump auto shutoff once the pressure is met.
Yeah I instantly ditched the gauge and original hose. Took it home, opened the box and cut them right off before turning it on. The cheap ones have notoriously bad gauges so I didn’t even care to deal with it.
But that’s a really good idea with the pressure sensor. Let me know how that turns out because I haven’t seen that yet.
Just bought the NAPA sub $100 with their 20% off coupon after buying some new windshield wipers. Honestly hard to go wrong at $100 for this thing as a backup for my PowerTank
Yeah if I end up getting a different compressor like the ARB in the future to get a locker I’ll for sure keep this one as a back up. It’s been great so far, I really like it.
Which video shows you modifying this to work with your 4 way
I have a video that tells you how and shows the parts but it’s not like a video of me actually doing it. It’s just cutting the hose and adding the barb to the connector and then putting the barb down the end of the hose then clamping it. I’ll grab the video link hang on.
It should show in the time stamps in the descriptions show where the mod instructions are, but it’s towards the end.
th-cam.com/video/De10UUP5UzY/w-d-xo.html
What happened to the Smittybuilt?
I still have it but I swapped for this NAPA one, then they ran out of the Napa ones. This was faster than the smittybilt but I still think the smittybilt is one of the best ones in its price bracket.
@@OXFOOT Thanks for the response. I picked up a VIair 400P and was thinking about simply storing it in the engine bay with some fab-work, but never thought of actually mouninting it until I saw your vid haha.
Good video. I think I still would want the arb one though there's a kit for the colorado that fits it nice under the windshield wiper fluid tank
Yeah I think if money wasn’t the difference I would go ARB also. There’s a good chance the NAPA one won’t fit in most engine bays.
Is there a duty cycle specified? I am curious if this could handle, with longevity, air locker usage.
I wish I could find that info. I tried to find it. If it was viable I’d love to get a front locker. I need to figure that out and finish wiring this thing in as well.
Do you have a link to the modification video for the Napa compressor?
This one at the end ha all the stuff you need. You’ll just cut the hose and slide the barb in, slide a clamp down the hose, attach the connector to the barb and then slide the clamp back up over the part with the barb to keep it tight and then screw down the clamp.
th-cam.com/video/De10UUP5UzY/w-d-xo.html
Starts at like 10:20 something.
@@OXFOOT Thank you :)
Can I make the Napa compressor work with a arb air locker?
I’m actually not sure of that. I have factory lockers so I haven’t gotten a chance to try that out.
I would buy the ARB. I have the same compressor as the Napa one because a lot of companies are buying the same ones from overseas and labeling as their own. But I’ve had to replace it already and that was after owning it for like 2 weeks. All of the bolts started to back out and the air cleaner caps on top of the pistons always fall off. It’s just cheaply made. I’ll be switching to ARB when I have the money
Thanks for sharing that with us. I’ll keep an eye on it to see if the thing that happened to yours of another brand. I think that I may eventually go the ARB route because I want to add a dual battery and the NAPA is taking up that spot right now.
What inflation / deflation devices did you use?
Mine is a quickflate which doesn’t exist anymore and he has a morreflate. When I switched to his I think it was a bit faster.
What bracket are you using for the front license plate of the c4 bumper? Thx
It’s actually their bracket that they sell. The Hawse license plate bracket. They have a new version of it that they make in house but the one I have is something they used to sell from another manufacturer but stopped. It’s called like the WP hawse license plate bracket but I’m not sure if it fits their bumpers now, maybe they’ve made a change to the design to fit their new brackets.
I have the same Napa compressor mounted under the engine bay exactly the same way. I went on a trail for a few hours yesterday and when it was time to air up, it didn't work. The heat while under the hood tripped the thermal cutoff. I had to wait 10 mins for it to cool down. Which pretty much negated my air up time savings 😂. I'm going to try some type of heat shield, if that doesn't work, I'll just rip it out.
Oh damn, I hadn’t run into that with mine yet. Maybe it’s just been cold here since I started using it. I’ll have to keep an eye out for that. We’re you running it with the hood open or do you have it wired to a dash button and out the grill or something?
@@OXFOOT I had the hood open, I wired it into a breaker.
Which of why i would never mount any compressor in the engine compartment. Heat kills compressors, regardless of how expensive they are.
Anyone know if the Napa one can be used with air lockers?
I’d also like to know. I don’t see why not but if anyone knows I’m down to know as well.
Which one is louder. I run my compressor inside and was wondering about noise level
I would say the ARB is a little softer. The ARB has a very distinct sound whereas most other compressors have about the same noise.
Great comparison video! Thank you for doing this!
Thanks for the feedback! Always appreciated.
Never tested the NAPA so I'm not digging on it, but my ARB twin inflates four 37" x12.5" from 10psi to 37psi in 7.5 minutes as an average. But, if the NAPA was an option when I built my setup.... at the price and color (I love my Punk'n and black Jeep) I might of gone that route.
Yeah I’ve heard from a few people that theirs is faster, I have seen them a lot faster than the one from this video but it still seems like the NAPA one is faster but maybe it’s not as different as mine was compared to this one.
I do wonder if the Napa one would fit in the Jeep engine bay, I know y’all’s is a lot smaller than the 4Runner engine bay. At least the 2010’s one are smaller, not sure about the new ones.
I have my ARB twin mounted in a Ridge tool box. I do all four at the same time. All the hoses, manifold, fittings and digital pressure gauge all fit inside the toolbox. I can move it to my wife's Jeep or setup a fit station at the end of a run.
I've watched a few MaxiTrac videos and the fill times seem to be much closer between the ARB/Maxitrac than what you experienced. I found maxitrac one that filled 37" tires from 12 to 33lbs and it was very close to what my ARB was able to do. Yours is the first where they do all 4 tires at the same time so that's interesting and perhaps accounts for some of the difference (although I can't figure out how it would). Anyways, I just found it interesting this had such a difference. Is your buddy sure both sides of his ARB are operating? There is separate wiring for each side so it is possible to have half the compressor not running.
Yeah a few folks have said that as well. I have had other folks test their arb and while theirs was a decent amount faster the NAPA was still faster by a bit. Apparently there are a few companies in Australia that make very similar products to that Napa one if not exact clones and they have come up with similar conclusions that they are faster than the ARB.
That being said I don’t think they are as off as this one was. I think maybe one of his pistons is weak or something. Which is unfortunate for this test but the general consensus is that it’s faster but just really just bulky, cheaper made, and silly looking.
@@OXFOOT Thanks for the reply. I'd have your buddy check to see that both sides are running. Might be a simple wiring, connector, fuse problem.
Even if they are even or even if the Maxitrac was slightly slower than the ARB......... IT'S STILL 1/6th OF THE PRICE!!!
@@MotoringAdventures_KE7SAI And the Maxitrac comes with zero warranty. The ARB also has 100% cycle time. Additionally, if half the ARB fails it appears it will still work. The ARB is also more compact and has lots of aftermarket support for mounting solutions. Is it worth spending 5 or 6 times the amount? Each person has to decide for themselves. It would suck to be far from town with your tires aired down to 10lbs and an inoperable compressor.
Ya this seems pretty conclusive. In fairness to the ARB, they could probably nearly double their CFM if they dialled their duty cycle back to the 50-60% the NAPA is at.
Too bad they sold out of these and possibly discontinued them after this video.
They are back in stock o ordered one 10 mins ago!
@@tremoradventures1394 dang, what kind of luck is that. I might just buy 3.
Thanks for the reply, they were still out of stock at 6am.
@@tremoradventures1394 hell yeah!
@@ThisTall lucky timing I guess
Is the cheap one suppose to be in engine bay I was going to do that with my viar but they say not to put in engine bay?
It's not made to go in there but I made it fit. The Smittybilt one I had in there for the last year said not to do that as well but I talked with them and found the heat rating and it was fine. Checked the materials on this one and it was the same. Now that doesn't mean go ahead and put your viar in there, but you probably could, I'd check the materials and heat rating and see what you can find out.
Can the max trac be use on the air locker
It probably could but unfortunately they stopped making this compressor very quickly after this video got released.
So you're saying that I can't get it from napa anymore
Hi. How's your compressor doing? Still working under the hood? And very interesting to see a video on installing it. Thanks
Still holding up just fine. Still using it.
I have a video on installing a smitty built and it’s the same process but you just need to turn it a bit to make the bigger Napa one fit and not hit the engine.
This is the video: DIY Fast and Easy ONBOARD AIR with ANY compressor! SMITTYBILT
th-cam.com/video/De10UUP5UzY/w-d-xo.html
@@OXFOOT Thanks for the reply. I also recently bought a similar compressor. I'm going to improve it a bit more though. It doesn't have its full potential.)
faster does not always say better.
durability is a big thing here.
will the nape hold up for very long? sure cheap is the co$t point. sure you can buy a number of them before hitting the price point of the better brand (read pay hard earned cash for a name). would you need to have a spare napa compresser for when the first one stops pumping air?
how does it hold up to filling a 5 gallon tank with air up to 150 psi?
Yo what headlights on the right!?!
I know right? They are my favorite ones. He gave me a link but it was sold out. I found one that might be the same. Let me see if I can find it.
I think these are the same? VLAND LED Projector Headlights For [2014-2021 Toyota 4Runner TRD, Limited, Off-Road, SR5, Sport, Nightshade] W/ Welcome / Breathe Function Dynamic DRL & Sequential Turn Signal, Amber Reflector
Opps I meant for the link to send: amzn.to/3qPP0t6
Do you have a link to this compressor?
www.napaonline.com/en/p/BK_MTWM10215C?cid=paidsearch_shopping_dcoe_google&campaign=GSC-Paint-Body-Equipment&campaign_id=10947560788&adgroup_id=110533803034&adtype=pla_with_promotion&gclid=CjwKCAiAv_KMBhAzEiwAs-rX1OYkScIZD7QaEz32IjiXC3Oi2pOLhPWZMErP5P6moI1mUEARxSRi2RoCgZQQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds&
They are running a deal now that if you buy 3 things you get 20% off your order. I have both the compressor and the trash caddy and I recommend both.
Did the NAPA last ?? Is it still working !!
It is still working yes. I don’t think they are selling them anymore though.
I had one similar to Napa due to the hype and it reached thermal overload then shut off at 4th tyre. (31’s). Used it twice then sold it. I didn’t like the build quality. My smittybilt feels much better (160L/min) so decided to keep it and now will get an arb cuz I have two rigs.
Yeah I had a smittybilt before this one and it’s still working but about half the speed. I’ve been lucky with my Napa that I’ve been able to air up mine and then others back to back with no issues. Maybe I got lucky with mine.
Thats really supposed to be an outside unit that does not fit in 90 percent of offroad vehicles. I have a compressor that is faster than the ARB too, but I'm not lugging around a big compressor every time I go to the trail, I need space for a fridge and other gear, and the bigger units like that overheat fast and need cool down time, while that ARB will never overheat, and run lockers if needed. Different applications. The ARB purpose is for overlanding and space saving.
Yeah the ARB is great and if I could logically afford to go that route I would. Any one who has asked me I’d say the same thing. That price tag is just a bit too much for me.
For the price difference the risk is well worth it. 6 of those NAPAs for 1 ARB is insane.
For sure. The Napa one has been great.
Can you send link on the video you installing napa compressor
I installed the smitty built I had but the concept is the same just turn the compressor diagonally so it doesn’t hit the engine. th-cam.com/video/De10UUP5UzY/w-d-xo.html
The smitty is a single piston and the Napa is a double so just make sure it sits a bit diagonally on the tray.
What were you both aired down to? And how close is your tire sizes?
Damn I should have added that. Exact tire size (made sure of that before filming) and we were going down to 15 psi and up to 35.
@@OXFOOT damn then 3 or 4 minutes for all of them is way fast. Mine takes like 8 to 9 for all 4 from 18 to 36 and they're smaller tires. So slightly more than twice as fast.
@@seanwatson3790 Yeah it's almost too fast if you're doing one tire at a time. You'd start it up and be ready for the next tire.
@@OXFOOT ya I absolutely have no doubt. Maybe I'd you were running 40s it would be slower lol
Thanks for the video, what are the actual time differences?
Most of the times we tested the average time came out to about 3:30-4 minutes for the NAPA and about 8-10 minutes for the ARB.
Great video. I have a question about the versatility of the NAPA compressor, though. Since it puts out so much air, is it still useable for airing up car tires? My wife's Mazda had her TPS sensor go off the other day (Likely just temperature swing here) but it made me wonder if the compressors I was looking at for a 4WD truck could still be used to top off tires like hers or just blow the beads off the rims.
Yeah I mean at it’s speed I would think you’d be fine just keep a close eye on it. Like don’t leave the compressor’s side while you’re doing it. Maybe run it for like 10 seconds and see what it’s at.
Yep it does. I aired up my Subarus tires fine. Also aired my drift cars rear tires to 60 psi at the track
Air compressors don't really care what tire they're filling
How’s the compressor holding up? Liking it better than your Smittybilt? Thanks
So far so good. I would imagine if I had any issues with it would be due to water getting in it somehow but I thought the same with the smittybilt and that lasted me at least a year and a half.
@@OXFOOT good deal! I’m on the fence between the Napa one or the smittybilt
@@fatmattsadventures2796 If you want something thats been tested many times then go smitty, if you want something fast that seems to be working alright go with the NAPA. It's a tough call. Also what size tires do you have? A big reason I wanted to go NAPA was because I was going to and then did eventually go up to size 305/70/17
@@OXFOOT I’m on 315/70r17’s on my gx470
@@fatmattsadventures2796 damn it’s wild that the GXs handle that so easily with a narrow wheel well. I’m rubbing all over with 305s.
Can I suggest a way to improve the comparison, use only one vehicle. Use on only gauge. Deflate all 4 tires use the moreflate or the other system. Inflate two tires (Front and Back with one compressor and time it. Inflate the other two tires with the other compressor and time it. That should probably more accurate results. Nice video!
That’s a really good idea, we tried to do something similar but since our hoses are both made just for our vehicle both of them didn’t really reach. Maybe I could come back to this and see if we can find or build something that’ll work.
@@OXFOOT I got a more flate system and extension if you want to use next time. Also got an arb single in a box. Located north of Denver btw
@@ramzizaz I’ll hit you up about that then I may have 305s by next month but I could give it another shot.
Even if it doesn't last as long, I'm sure 5 of them would out last the ARB. You can buy 5 of them for the approximate price of the one ARB. The price of the ARB pisses me off so I wouldn't buy one anyway. That's foolishness.
And who knows, maybe it will last a long time. I'm really only saying that to save my own a** if these things don't last that long. For all I know they might outlast the ARB.
Also for sure at least 5 of them would outlast the ARB.
Thanks for the video. I was just discussing a comparison of these two compressors. Very happy you did this. One comment I would say to eliminate as many variables as possible you could have just used all of your equipment on your tires on your vehicle be test both compressors. That would have been a little more apples to apples but either way the napa compressor smoked the ARB twin.
Yeah that was our original thought. We were going to both air up with each others compressor and use just one hose but the damn hoses weren’t long enough because we both have our compressors mounted in the engine bay. I could have undone mine and tried it that way but then his still wouldn’t reach. We thought of tons of different methods but ultimately that’s the one we ended up on because of hose constraints.
But that method you described was my favorite.
I think this compressor got too much attention because I just called NAPA to order it and it has been discontinued. Sucks I couldn't get my hands on one
Yeah that happened pretty quickly I guess. Summit offroad has one that’s the same speed but it’s $189. If you go on their page it’s the red one. It claims 300LPM which is the same as the NAPA compressor.
man his headlights are sick!
Yeah I really like them. I believe they are from amazon but originally from a company called like 1234 automative or something.
Going with the Maxitrac is a no brainier. It’s the best bang for the buck at the moment. ARB didn’t really have much competition in the past but these new compressors are giving them a run for their money. I think the ARB is overpriced.
Yeah I still like the ARB but it’s so overpriced, maybe they’ll bring it down. The one big bonus for me is that it works with the 4tire inflation straight from the box, no modification. If you’ve got a few bucks and 30 minutes though the NAPA fits no problem.
Warranty or not you can get six Napa compressors for one ARB compressor
Yeah that’s what I though lol. Hopefully they don’t just randomly stop making them like they supposedly did with the awning.
What bumpers are those?
I have the C4 low profile bumper with a 30” light cut out and mid height bull bar. His is a victory 4x4 bumper with tube work.
I’m not sure if his is steel or aluminum but that is an option on the victory 4x4.
Where can you get it for $100 ? I clicked on the link and it says $170
I think this video was from about 2 years ago.
I've got the ARB dual and can do all 4 tires with my 4 way harness in mid 3 minutes. If it's taking 10 minutes there's something wrong with the setup!!! 255/80R17's.
Yeah someone else mentioned that. I’ll try to organize a head to head with someone else who has the same size tires as me and see if we get the same results again. I know that mine is fast and so is the ARB, I got no skin in the game not sponsored or anything. Trying to be as fair as possible.
@@OXFOOT I did a DIY 4 way harness using 3/8 air tubing and went with matching hardware pieces too. While I do have a 1g air tank, I know for how little air it holds it doesn't do much besides act as a buffer with checking pressures. I figured the ARB was gonna be like 4 minutes and was honestly like WTF with 10 minutes. I was close to 10 with my dual MV-50'S before one died one me.
What all does it come with?
It just comes with a bag and a hose, I had the hose changed though so I could use my 4 tire inflator.
I'd still go for the Napa over the ARB. I won't buy an overpriced air compressor just for it's brand name.
Saying the ARB will last long is not accurate for you are not sure at all.
Yeah I’ve had buddies of mine who’ve had theirs for years and they’ve had no problems but people have been commenting on this video saying they haven’t all had the same luck. The NAPA could be the same or better.
Just bought one from Napa with a 30% off coupon!
Woah! They have 30% off now? Maybe that’s a Black Friday thing? They had 20% off a few days ago if you buy 3 things but even that was a good deal considering I paid full price.
@@OXFOOT Yes, I added to cart, and above the 20% deal it gave me a code for 30% off. Enjoyed the video and subscribed.
Power draw compared to each other?
Can't find the MaxiTrac or it's clone anywhere... The cylinder heads are the easiest way to see what's what..
Yeah it looks like they just completely ran out of them. I wished they ramp up production but maybe it’s not NAPAs most profitable line.
This genuinely caught me off guard. Perhaps the NAPA compressor won’t last as long but with that price and performance it’d be worth replacing if and when it does break. My only reservation on it is the look. The ARB twin looks significantly cleaner and more like it’s meant to be there.
Yeah it’s aesthetically not my favorite. It’s massive, bulky, bright orange and just clearly not as nice as the ARB. That being said, in my engine bay it’s not noticeable. I may eventually go ARB because I want to go lockers and have a dual battery which I could only partially do with my current set up.
@@OXFOOT agreed. Just wish the ARB had similar performance because 10 minutes seems like a ridiculous amount of time when you’ve paid $600+ dollars for the setup.
Curious how long its lasted
I’m still using it but it’s no longer in my engine bay as I switched to a tundra.
@@OXFOOT thanks for the reply. How long did it survive under the hood?