@@wayne1da121 I mean yeah sure it's not 4k sharp but what u get insted is great on cockpit view is so much nicer u can see all the reflection on metallic materials specially on night time and if u want u can always turn it off play pssr at 4k120 wich looks better than before!
I bought ps5 pro for gt7 psvr2 and the differnce ist there. Intestes it today on gt7 but it is a very very small upgrade. Reprojection ist still there, no matter what vr mode (i dont see a difference between vr mode turned on or off) and the Resolution doesnt seem to be really higher too. Im a little bit dissapointed :( its defintly not worth the money
It’s not a downgrade you can literally play gran Turismo on 120fps 4K with performance mode. Ps5 can only do 4K 60fps on performance. Just don’t use PSSR
@ it’s a downgrade if you use pssr I’ve already watched the video. Even on resolution/ ray tracing mode you get 4K 60fps, which the only way to get 60fps on ps5 base is putting it on performance - he was only talking about the pssr and the AI issues with the graphics. That is the downgrade and he literally says it in his title but if you simply don’t use it, you’ll get a better experience than base ps5
Genuinely could not tell any shimmering in your video watching this on my TV in 4K. Digital Foundry didn't mention it, either. Going to test it myself tonight.
Google 4k viewing distance chart, depending on the size and distance of your tv your probably not even seeing actual 4k. You might have scammed yourself by buying the pro, you should either move closer or get a bigger tv to actually benefit from the pro, it will be a night and day difference. Most people on a tv in a average living room are sitting too far to see 4k, at those massive distances you need something like 85 inch and up to see 4k. That's why 8k failed and they stopped selling them, people realized how resolution works and that 8k was actually a scam unless you buy over 120 inch tv and sit closer. To see 4k on a 55 inch tv you want to be no further then 5 feet away ideally and for 65 inch no further then 6 feet away for example.
@@Sideways_Singh everything I read on the interwebs is 100% true considering everybody's eyesight is the same so this distance from your TV has to be 100% accurate 🙄
I agree I prefer the extra options they give us turned off. It's crisper and looks great. Not too fussed about a slight bit of extra mood lighting at the cost of the less crisp look.
I bought ps5 pro for gt7 psvr2 and the differnce ist there. Intestes it today on gt7 but it is a very very small upgrade. Reprojection ist still there, no matter what vr mode (i dont see a difference between vr mode turned on or off) and the Resolution doesnt seem to be really higher too. Im a little bit dissapointed :( its defintly not worth the money
Ray-tracing in gameplay is expensive, so they had to balance it with a lower resolution, lower resolution causes aliasing/shimmering on sub-pixel objects like the pole lines in the distance. The image quality in Resolution mode with no RT absolutely trounces on the PS5 version in gameplay when it comes to image quality.
Probably the monitor he has doesn't support HDR cause it should default on if the display supports it he would have had to turn it off after that first screen in the beginning of the video
The difference is the cars are reflected in the raytracing mode. e.g. the silver pug in the second race. It's to reflected in the none raytracing mode.
Ya I can see the shimmer. This ai upscaling with very quick motion doesnt work so well, and when its in lower quality modes like dlss balanced or performance even that has ghosting plus 2ms input latency delay added, its fine for slower paced games single player cinematic stuff to the point where it even looks better then native 4k with taa anti aliasing, like dlss quality. It should improve over time. I would just turn it off for this game, if u have a vrr display u should be getting native 4k with ray tracing at 100+ fps which is amazing. Mainly cant wait to see psvr2 graphics tho, thats the main event, that will have a night and day generational leap in graphics because the graphics arent that good in vr lots of room for improvement plus vr benefits alot from a gpu upgrade which is what the pro mainly is.
I bought ps5 pro for gt7 psvr2 and the differnce ist there. Intestes it today on gt7 but it is a very very small upgrade. Reprojection ist still there, no matter what vr mode (i dont see a difference between vr mode turned on or off) and the Resolution doesnt seem to be really higher too. Im a little bit dissapointed :( its defintly not worth the money
I bought ps5 pro for gt7 psvr2 and the differnce ist there. Intestes it today on gt7 but it is a very very small upgrade. Reprojection ist still there, no matter what vr mode (i dont see a difference between vr mode turned on or off) and the Resolution doesnt seem to be really higher too. Im a little bit dissapointed :( its defintly not worth the money
I don't see any flickering or anything like that but then again I'm watching on my phone at 1440 p. I don't have a pro to test. I don't think your video was conclusive enough.
Ray tracing on PS5 Pro makes GT7 image looks much worse. And the RT reflections aren't even as noticeable as in Forza Motorsport. Turn 10 managed RT/image better honestly.
It's a downgrade I knew it, good video I happily stayed with my base ps5. Lol. I mean what does an upscaler do(Pssr) and in general ? It takes a lower resolution so image quality gets worse and afterwards they upscale it. But the image information that's been taken out leads to a much worser image quality that's logic. What you get is a worser image with a higher framerate. Upscaling is trash. It's only good for developers because they can get even lazier. It's the same in photography when you make a photo in native 1080p and scale it down to 864p and scale the 864p up to 4k your image will look worse because you have downscaled it to 864p. The upscaling to 4k from 864p results in a worse picture. So native 1080p looks more detailed. Native is always king.
This guy is straight up professional if he saying PSSR is not right I can guarantee you. It’s not right I can guarantee you. Nobody else is seeing what he’s saying. He’s a professional Turismo player.
I bought ps5 pro for gt7 psvr2 and the differnce ist there. Intestes it today on gt7 but it is a very very small upgrade. Reprojection ist still there, no matter what vr mode (i dont see a difference between vr mode turned on or off) and the Resolution doesnt seem to be really higher too. Im a little bit dissapointed :( its defintly not worth the money
I’ve done a few laps on vr. I’m not sure if it’s placebo/optimism but I think it’s significantly smother. Feel free to roast me for my purchase in the comments :)
No roast. However, everyone who's buys one is just letting Sony we will pay more for nothing. Ps6 @ $1200 will be next. I actually canceled my psn and moving to p.c. because I see where this is going.
@@Therubbersluggchannel honestly man that’s fair enough. I’m genuinely on the fence with pc and I think I’ll just invest into one instead of the ps6 for the fact i don’t think ps6 will have a disc drive. Sony is definitely trying to make a monopoly anyone with 2 hungover brain cells can see it clear as day. Also ps plus has become absolute dog water the last few years
You've got HDR off.....why? I know the PS5's DVR doesn't cope well with it on everything looks over exposed. The game in your video looks more natural, previously it looked over saturated at times.
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I dont know whats thhis duude smoking i just played and it looks way better than beffor
It’s for clicks, all these TH-camrs are doing it. It’s great on my end too for all of my games so far
He's a sensationalist.
I seldom watch his video because of this.
Today is a one-off, and I skipped through most of it
@@wayne1da121 I mean yeah sure it's not 4k sharp but what u get insted is great on cockpit view is so much nicer u can see all the reflection on metallic materials specially on night time and if u want u can always turn it off play pssr at 4k120 wich looks better than before!
Really!! Lmao
Lol funny how you are in denial play it on base ps5 it looks better
I'm starting to think kireth works for ign
😂😂😂
I see that there's VR rendering improvements as well, keen to see you try the PSVR2 with the PS5 Pro with this update.
Definite undeniable upgrade
@@MikeDelta32 Really?! Did you try!
I bought ps5 pro for gt7 psvr2 and the differnce ist there. Intestes it today on gt7 but it is a very very small upgrade. Reprojection ist still there, no matter what vr mode (i dont see a difference between vr mode turned on or off) and the Resolution doesnt seem to be really higher too. Im a little bit dissapointed :( its defintly not worth the money
@@Merkste_was Ahahaha! Thank you for the confirmation!
@@Merkste_was Damn, that's disappointing, was expecting at least a better distance clarity with the Pro in VR. Thank you for informing.
Bring this game to PC .. will run it 240hz
It’s not a downgrade you can literally play gran Turismo on 120fps 4K with performance mode. Ps5 can only do 4K 60fps on performance. Just don’t use PSSR
@@aidan1909yt show me where Harmoodi said it was a downgrade?
@ it’s a downgrade if you use pssr I’ve already watched the video. Even on resolution/ ray tracing mode you get 4K 60fps, which the only way to get 60fps on ps5 base is putting it on performance - he was only talking about the pssr and the AI issues with the graphics. That is the downgrade and he literally says it in his title but if you simply don’t use it, you’ll get a better experience than base ps5
Genuinely could not tell any shimmering in your video watching this on my TV in 4K. Digital Foundry didn't mention it, either. Going to test it myself tonight.
You could see it on the cars in the far distance
Might be time for an appointment www.specsavers.co.uk/
@@fuzzy-daddy83 It seems to be a byproduct of rain effects, fog and windshield distortion. It looks the same without PSSR
Google 4k viewing distance chart, depending on the size and distance of your tv your probably not even seeing actual 4k. You might have scammed yourself by buying the pro, you should either move closer or get a bigger tv to actually benefit from the pro, it will be a night and day difference. Most people on a tv in a average living room are sitting too far to see 4k, at those massive distances you need something like 85 inch and up to see 4k. That's why 8k failed and they stopped selling them, people realized how resolution works and that 8k was actually a scam unless you buy over 120 inch tv and sit closer. To see 4k on a 55 inch tv you want to be no further then 5 feet away ideally and for 65 inch no further then 6 feet away for example.
@@Sideways_Singh everything I read on the interwebs is 100% true considering everybody's eyesight is the same so this distance from your TV has to be 100% accurate 🙄
I agree I prefer the extra options they give us turned off. It's crisper and looks great. Not too fussed about a slight bit of extra mood lighting at the cost of the less crisp look.
Hardly an upgrade if they still have to ask what to prioritize
There is something clearly wrong with Keith's monitor as there is a great improvement. A lot sharper detail. Are you being paid by Microsoft?
I bought ps5 pro for gt7 psvr2 and the differnce ist there. Intestes it today on gt7 but it is a very very small upgrade. Reprojection ist still there, no matter what vr mode (i dont see a difference between vr mode turned on or off) and the Resolution doesnt seem to be really higher too. Im a little bit dissapointed :( its defintly not worth the money
Ray-tracing in gameplay is expensive, so they had to balance it with a lower resolution, lower resolution causes aliasing/shimmering on sub-pixel objects like the pole lines in the distance. The image quality in Resolution mode with no RT absolutely trounces on the PS5 version in gameplay when it comes to image quality.
You had HDR turned of?
Exactly this game shines in HDR so not sure why he would turn it off.
Probably the monitor he has doesn't support HDR cause it should default on if the display supports it he would have had to turn it off after that first screen in the beginning of the video
The Mercedes AMG now has an interior! Finally
VR definitely ugraded?
I may need to have a word with Santa for PS5 pro 🎅
The difference is the cars are reflected in the raytracing mode. e.g. the silver pug in the second race. It's to reflected in the none raytracing mode.
FSR on windows also shimmers, especially on small details.
Would be interesting to see how that works in VR. I guess it will be even more noticeable
Ya I can see the shimmer. This ai upscaling with very quick motion doesnt work so well, and when its in lower quality modes like dlss balanced or performance even that has ghosting plus 2ms input latency delay added, its fine for slower paced games single player cinematic stuff to the point where it even looks better then native 4k with taa anti aliasing, like dlss quality. It should improve over time. I would just turn it off for this game, if u have a vrr display u should be getting native 4k with ray tracing at 100+ fps which is amazing. Mainly cant wait to see psvr2 graphics tho, thats the main event, that will have a night and day generational leap in graphics because the graphics arent that good in vr lots of room for improvement plus vr benefits alot from a gpu upgrade which is what the pro mainly is.
I bought ps5 pro for gt7 psvr2 and the differnce ist there. Intestes it today on gt7 but it is a very very small upgrade. Reprojection ist still there, no matter what vr mode (i dont see a difference between vr mode turned on or off) and the Resolution doesnt seem to be really higher too. Im a little bit dissapointed :( its defintly not worth the money
@Kireth! Can you buy a PSVR2 and check if the visual quality has increased over the regular PS5?
I bought ps5 pro for gt7 psvr2 and the differnce ist there. Intestes it today on gt7 but it is a very very small upgrade. Reprojection ist still there, no matter what vr mode (i dont see a difference between vr mode turned on or off) and the Resolution doesnt seem to be really higher too. Im a little bit dissapointed :( its defintly not worth the money
Sounds like instead of RT and the compute required, just dim the TV settings for the Mood Effect 👍
They should test Ray Tracing at night on the internal camera to see if ray tracing works on the internal camera.
You have to turn off pssr in the menu
I don't see any flickering or anything like that but then again I'm watching on my phone at 1440 p. I don't have a pro to test. I don't think your video was conclusive enough.
3D scenes… might actually be intentional, and refering to when viewing the cars in the showroom…
(…perhaps?…)
Long live Gran Turismo.
\m/,😊,\m/
PSSR looks better. Dudes smoking the ganja.
Ray tracing on PS5 Pro makes GT7 image looks much worse. And the RT reflections aren't even as noticeable as in Forza Motorsport. Turn 10 managed RT/image better honestly.
@@FedericoFroebel-dw4je hahahahahaahahha have u played this way better
@@FedericoFroebel-dw4je this is not true I'm playing right now it looks better than before this duude facked his settings!
DF said that the Raytracing in Forza was lower than the lowest setting availble on PC so youre full of crap
DF said that Forza implementation of RT is poor and not up to standard. It will be interesting to see what DF says.
Digital Foundry said the exact opposite. But hey, what do they know? Gotta rely on Federico Froebel for the truth.
It's a downgrade I knew it, good video I happily stayed with my base ps5. Lol. I mean what does an upscaler do(Pssr) and in general ? It takes a lower resolution so image quality gets worse and afterwards they upscale it. But the image information that's been taken out leads to a much worser image quality that's logic. What you get is a worser image with a higher framerate. Upscaling is trash. It's only good for developers because they can get even lazier. It's the same in photography when you make a photo in native 1080p and scale it down to 864p and scale the 864p up to 4k your image will look worse because you have downscaled it to 864p. The upscaling to 4k from 864p results in a worse picture. So native 1080p looks more detailed. Native is always king.
This is Sony model game to prove the PS5 Pro is worth the extra power. Im not seeing or feeling it.
Did Mark Cerny not say with the pro you no longer have to choose between frame rate and and resolution you get the best of both?
I guess it wasn’t well explained by him, he probably meant that even performance modes have good resolution.
This guy is straight up professional if he saying PSSR is not right I can guarantee you. It’s not right I can guarantee you. Nobody else is seeing what he’s saying. He’s a professional Turismo player.
And he came all agro on me saying that I needed glasses. Those small fish TH-camrs really are desperate for clicks, Jesus...
U need to turn off 120hz mode to get Rays it dose not work on 120hz at least car reflection
Lets do the VR2 video. All the world is waiting for the answer if there is an improvement or not.
I bought ps5 pro for gt7 psvr2 and the differnce ist there. Intestes it today on gt7 but it is a very very small upgrade. Reprojection ist still there, no matter what vr mode (i dont see a difference between vr mode turned on or off) and the Resolution doesnt seem to be really higher too. Im a little bit dissapointed :( its defintly not worth the money
@@Merkste_was Thanks! Very disappointing. I was considering the PS5 Pro only for GT7 and VR2. I have a PS5 and VR2 headset, worth to mention.
I bought my PS5 and VR2 for GT7. So far I don't think it's worth the upgrade at the current price.
Just call it PISSER please.
Thank goodness I didn't downgrade to the pro
I’ve done a few laps on vr. I’m not sure if it’s placebo/optimism but I think it’s significantly smother.
Feel free to roast me for my purchase in the comments :)
It's better 🙃
No roast. However, everyone who's buys one is just letting Sony we will pay more for nothing. Ps6 @ $1200 will be next. I actually canceled my psn and moving to p.c. because I see where this is going.
@@Therubbersluggchannel honestly man that’s fair enough. I’m genuinely on the fence with pc and I think I’ll just invest into one instead of the ps6 for the fact i don’t think ps6 will have a disc drive. Sony is definitely trying to make a monopoly anyone with 2 hungover brain cells can see it clear as day.
Also ps plus has become absolute dog water the last few years
@0nsights1 I like "2 hungover braincells "
I don't see the shimmering issues at all. Sounds to me like he had a placebo effect going on and is reinforcing his prior assumptions regarding pssr.
Hehe I love how you call it the “pisser”
Only pc vers can unlock gt7 .
You've got HDR off.....why? I know the PS5's DVR doesn't cope well with it on everything looks over exposed. The game in your video looks more natural, previously it looked over saturated at times.
I always have HDR off because it doesn't play nice with TH-cam
VR test?
Recorded, video being edited 👍
@@Kireth Sorry! Should have known you would do it! 😉
Oi
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I just translated your comment to Engiish and apparently it means Hey lol