While this video isn’t an opinion piece, I’ll go ahead and give my first impressions here. Ray tracing: it looks horrible on metallic paints. Glossy paints are ok, but overall I think it actually looks worse than standard reflections. VR: Substantial improvement, and the most significant improvement in my use case. Is it worth the money? If I was a causal player that didn’t spend a lot of time on PlayStation HELL NO zero questions. If you play this game 24/7 and either already have or don’t plan on buying a wheel, or PSVR2, then I would at least consider it, but not outright recommend it. Overall, you are not getting a significant upgrade here for $300-$400
The PS5 Pro is basically what the PS5 should’ve been all along. Sony’s starting to feel a lot like Apple with these minor upgrades that come with a huge price increase.
The PS5 is 4 years old...apple release products yearly wtf you on about...every electronic device you have release minor upgrades...yet PS5 pro which is exceptional may I add is been whinged on by clueless people like you..don't buy it if you don't want quality or can't afford it.. Jesus man children everywhere nowadays
I have the PS5 pro, also purchased base PS5 December 2020. I've always said the base PS5 was not it, we needed more. The PS5 Pro is what we should have rec'd in 2020, I agree 100%
@@K3ntucky123 yeah because there's a button that says '' interior lighting on'', you don't have to hardwork on that you're right. So the increased LOD distance, VR Resolution, stable framerate, realtime raytracing reflections, updated texture resolutions and more stuff that probably I haven't seen because I saw the first minute of the video only, it's nothing also.
Yip... That alone , Finally 7 is a next gen title , but you need to fork out 700 dallaaaaas , that's R19,500 in South African money 😢 I'll keep my 4 Pro , save up for a PS6 instead
You really won't see a big change because GT7 was already a great looking and well-optimized game to begin with, and most of the visuals is pre-baked/pre-calculated (Which is not a bad thing, NFS15 did the same thing and that's why it looks so good to this day). I can't say anything on PSVR2 because I don't own one, so I'll take your word for it that it is a big improvement :D On cars with large bits sticking out like the 911 at 4:56, the raytracing is a welcome addition for helping to... "connect the car with itself" I think we won't see a big visual upgrade until GT8 releases which will most likely be PS5+Pro only and I hope we'll see some bigger improvements, like actual 3D trackside trees and some upgraded tracks (La Sarthe is definitely the worst looking track in GT right now, so I hope it will be updated for the next game)
The footage of this video doesn't give me any reason to spend 700 bucks on a PS5 Pro. Just a little better reflections during rain/night (not noticeable during normal day). It may be worth for enthusiasts who own PSVR2. Other than that, pass.
You can’t capture the PRO at all. Capturing the PRO is so disingenuous. Let’s measure a machine before its final step, the mandatory TV/Monitor with the required specs… Digital Foundry and their methods are rendered irrelevant, you see they stopped John from showing his screen it was going against the negative Sony narrative that makes creators money to buy their Pros while misleading the masses…
Still have a 4 pro and was holding out for the 5 pro. 4pro plays GT7 pretty good still, hopefully we'll see some comparisons with the older consoles. Love the reflections and little details the 5pro is pulling out.
Keep trying to convince yourself.. For me looks very similar, I can't afford to waste money. Was just playing this morning and base PS5 looks stunning on my 4K TV.. Just a great looking game, in fact it looked amazing on the PS4 Pro!
@@spiltcoff33the difference in quality is minimal at best , the vanilla PS5 was supposed to do this ? Midgen consoles should NOT become the norm Stop it
People only just noticing that the RT looks bad on metallic paints lol. It was already like that since the beginning. You could see it in showrooms when selecting metallic colors, where it would look blurry and have this ghosting artifact thing going on. It's not like they updated RT, they just made it so it's available in gameplay.
Watched it on my phone, and one just looks darker than the other. Watched on my big 75 inch 4K TV in the livingroom however... ohhhhh now I see it hahaha. Yeah, the cockpit reflections and shadows look better. Cars and environment - yeah slightly, but moves so fast most of the time that it's subtle. Will actually play the game and psvr2 when I get off work to see the in person version.
People repeating 700, 700, 700... Ok. Its either 400 or 450 or whatever it is a PS5 BASE costs, or 699 for the pro. The pro also has 2tb of storage, 1tb improvement or even more than the base ( usable ends up being like 1.8) which would be a 75 dollar upgrade to begin with basically. So Lets say you dont have a PS5 at all. You can get a PS5 WITH a storage upgrade for, 500, whatever or for 200 more you get the pro with the upgrade slot still empty to add storage later if you need to. So thats the FIRST thing. Secondly if you are OK having one console, your base PS5 is worth 300+ used. maybe more. And once again, if you have a STORAGE upgrade in it, you can remove it and put it in your pro, you have not lost money there, But again, you factor in the 300, (assuming you let it go DIRT cheap) and what the storage upgrade would cost you and your price difference is under 350..... Anyone whos looking at just this video and trying to decide let me tell you from using the pro.- it feels snappier. Having more options for modes and not having to sacrifice ray tracing in 60fps and knowing MANY games are going to lean on the pros hardware especially in VR - (at this point I would not even bother with VR without the pro, because if youre already OK spending hundreds for VR the 200 dollar difference in the consoles is negligible in the total price compared to experience). I am just saying.... its almost like FUD to keep moaning about 200 bucks... what do you expect to happen? The OG barely got a price cut, if the base machine had gotten 150 in price drops in 4 years and the pro came out at 550 but the price nobody would say anything -but currently is in free fall inflation here- the price of going to mcdonalds has gone up 50% in 5 years, the price of meat went up, the price of everything but things being subsidized or which already had HUGE profit overheads (they ate the increase to maintain volume and not drop production in those cases) went up - You KNOW your money is worth less than it was but you expect a brand new release game console to be the same price as it was before.... I hope everyone here braces for the next generation of consoles, because the two options are going to be- they aim for a 500 dollar pricepoint and the machines are anemic but they dont get the "Sticker shock " or the boxes are going to be 700 bucks-
I absolutely dislike this update. It broke the game for me. The picture is way darker than before, especially in HDR and I can barely see any benefits of PS5 Pro compared to before and there is no way to go back to the previous version, so disappointing.
Go to the video settings in game and scroll all the way down. That’s where you set brightness and contrast. Mine was set to -6 white, 42 black for this video
For all of you that don’t have a pro, I’m telling now from uncle c to you lol it’s a huge difference. Once you play and realize how smooth it is on the Pro. Most of you focusing on the graphics, it’s the gameplay that’s a huge difference. PS5 Pro in Performance mode is incredible. It’s not a huge jump in graphics but the gameplay in VR smooth as butter. No way I can play the old choppy version on ps5 that I never realized how bad it was until I played on a Pro. If I was you and you love racing in VR or with a wheel. It’s more than worth it. Like $100 bucks for extra 1T plus another $150 for 120h better game play ? How is it now worth it 😅? It’s literally so much better. I can’t play the og ps5 now it’s super choppy
It does, it looked better before the update. This update is crap, it ruined the game imo. Im going back to PS5 version. I can barely notice this improved reflections especially while focusing on racing. while I notice worse resolution and more aliasing immediately. The new update even made the whole picture darker. I had to turn EV in the game to +1 to match the brightness prior the update and it still doesn’t look the same and as nice as before.
Significantly improved or not, on my 4k 65 inch Sony TV on the base PS5 it looks spendid and have no intention to upgrade whatsoever.. Even in fps/performance mode. I do have VRR up to 120hz.
The pro version, in 'fidelity mode' is notably lower resolution. I can't stand the blockiness/shimmering that they put in place to enable the ray tracing, it really ruins the experience. If better in FPS mode, but barely. You can run in 120hz mode now with a lot less resolution drop.... but that's still massively disappointing compared to what i was expecting from this game.
Apart from the interior lighting, seeing other cars on the body reflection, the night races, and the smoothness of the PSVR2 on the Pro, the changes are very minor. Yes, the PS5 Pro is better, especially in VR and those night sequences, but once again, it is not £700 better. The base PS5 performance and visuals still hold up really well, and for my needs, and for my TV, the PS5 Pro is not for me. But it is nice that you uploaded this so that we can see the changes for the Base and Pro performance and visuals. Much appreciated!
@trs8696 I know it isn't. I mentioned the price. I didn't say it was more expensive anywhere in my comment. Considering that the base slim disc console is £479.99, and the digital slim is £389.99 I still wouldn't say that the Pro is worth the extra £220 - £310 for what you're getting for the average consumer.
@BiggNewt Okay, the storage part is good. But the graphical? Unless it's games that need it, like FF7 Rebirth, F1 24, and more, I personally feel that the Pro isn't worth it. Take that as you will. I shall say no more on the matter. Obviously, I pushed a bit too far. Sure, maybe it will be worth it one day, and that will be good. But I remain pessimistic.
@UntLion worth is subjective. Value is not. A $400 slim that adds a $150 1tb ssd, a wifi7 upgrade over wifi6 and then you add the graphical advancements and it's priced right at $700. A PC equivalent is at least a $1000.
man, these are such small upgrades for seven HUNDRED dollars. I think graphics tech has hit a good point where it doesnt really matter to me anymore. İf a game is made with an ok budget, it's gonna look good.
What the hell are you taking about? This is not a ps6, its improving existing game, did you expect a new version or something? Its also going to vary on game to game basis. For ex. Callisto protocol is twice the framerate on the ps5 pro while looking better. You just dont understand how games are built
Enjoy your split memory bottleneck & native 900p resolution while 75% of Xbox players own the Series S, so devs end up focusing on the weaker console instead of the Series X 💀
the interior lighting with the RX7 on tokyo expressway looks better on the standard PS5 to me, its way too bright on the pro. everywhere else the pro is much better than the standard PS5
But why is it the same brightness under the dash in the foot area? I've been many tunnels none of them was like this. No shadows either. Ray tracing is still a meme, even on pc.
While this video isn’t an opinion piece, I’ll go ahead and give my first impressions here.
Ray tracing: it looks horrible on metallic paints. Glossy paints are ok, but overall I think it actually looks worse than standard reflections.
VR: Substantial improvement, and the most significant improvement in my use case.
Is it worth the money? If I was a causal player that didn’t spend a lot of time on PlayStation HELL NO zero questions.
If you play this game 24/7 and either already have or don’t plan on buying a wheel, or PSVR2, then I would at least consider it, but not outright recommend it.
Overall, you are not getting a significant upgrade here for $300-$400
The PS5 Pro is basically what the PS5 should’ve been all along. Sony’s starting to feel a lot like Apple with these minor upgrades that come with a huge price increase.
you dont have to buy it, its an enthusiast console
The PS5 is 4 years old...apple release products yearly wtf you on about...every electronic device you have release minor upgrades...yet PS5 pro which is exceptional may I add is been whinged on by clueless people like you..don't buy it if you don't want quality or can't afford it.. Jesus man children everywhere nowadays
cant wait to get the PS6 to finally play with stable 60 fps in performance mode lol
and it will only cost 1500 bucks, a real steal!
I have the PS5 pro, also purchased base PS5 December 2020. I've always said the base PS5 was not it, we needed more. The PS5 Pro is what we should have rec'd in 2020, I agree 100%
that’s probably cause AMD didn’t have hardware on this level or features in 2020 moron
Interior lighting is insane
yeah, but is kinda off, it should be that much
Its JUST that
@@K3ntucky123 yeah because there's a button that says '' interior lighting on'', you don't have to hardwork on that you're right. So the increased LOD distance, VR Resolution, stable framerate, realtime raytracing reflections, updated texture resolutions and more stuff that probably I haven't seen because I saw the first minute of the video only, it's nothing also.
BUT THERE IS NO SHADOWS! xD the rays pass through the roof of the vehicle xD
Yip... That alone ,
Finally 7 is a next gen title , but you need to fork out 700 dallaaaaas , that's R19,500 in South African money 😢
I'll keep my 4 Pro , save up for a PS6 instead
Interior view on PS5 Pro makes the car look like a spaceship, in a cool way. I like it!!
You really won't see a big change because GT7 was already a great looking and well-optimized game to begin with, and most of the visuals is pre-baked/pre-calculated (Which is not a bad thing, NFS15 did the same thing and that's why it looks so good to this day).
I can't say anything on PSVR2 because I don't own one, so I'll take your word for it that it is a big improvement :D
On cars with large bits sticking out like the 911 at 4:56, the raytracing is a welcome addition for helping to... "connect the car with itself"
I think we won't see a big visual upgrade until GT8 releases which will most likely be PS5+Pro only and I hope we'll see some bigger improvements, like actual 3D trackside trees and some upgraded tracks (La Sarthe is definitely the worst looking track in GT right now, so I hope it will be updated for the next game)
It'll never be PS5 Pro exclusive ,
The cross gen curse will continue
The footage of this video doesn't give me any reason to spend 700 bucks on a PS5 Pro. Just a little better reflections during rain/night (not noticeable during normal day). It may be worth for enthusiasts who own PSVR2. Other than that, pass.
The whole conecpt of the Pro is for enthusiast lol.
You can’t capture the PRO at all. Capturing the PRO is so disingenuous. Let’s measure a machine before its final step, the mandatory TV/Monitor with the required specs… Digital Foundry and their methods are rendered irrelevant, you see they stopped John from showing his screen it was going against the negative Sony narrative that makes creators money to buy their Pros while misleading the masses…
Why would it? No one would by a new console or pc for one game plus the substantially 120fps mode on pro can’t be shown on youtube
Exactly this
VR is the way to play this. Blew my mind like playing N64 for the first time again
They still haven't fixed the LOD pop in of the drivers in convertibles and go-karts. Those suckers still just straight up disappear.
“Corporate wants you to find the difference between these pictures”
There the same
Still have a 4 pro and was holding out for the 5 pro. 4pro plays GT7 pretty good still, hopefully we'll see some comparisons with the older consoles. Love the reflections and little details the 5pro is pulling out.
Pam: "They're the same picture"
Thank you for getting this out so quickly. Much appreciated
Thanks of this man! 🤘 Been waiting for this update!
the difference when in cockpit view is pretty huge
Keep trying to convince yourself.. For me looks very similar, I can't afford to waste money. Was just playing this morning and base PS5 looks stunning on my 4K TV.. Just a great looking game, in fact it looked amazing on the PS4 Pro!
@@MagicAyrtonforever convince ourselves of what?? we own it so we can speak on it, you don’t so ur opinion ain’t valid. keep trying to cope.
@@spiltcoff33the difference in quality is minimal at best
, the vanilla PS5 was supposed to do this ?
Midgen consoles should NOT become the norm
Stop it
Love the side by sides! Keep it up
Forza Motorsport RT looks basic compared to GT7.
Man when you look at the cockpit on the base ps5 compared to the pro, you see just how bad the base lighting is. Big improvement.
Looks fantastic! Bravo!!!
I don' tunderstand why the PS5 Pro because it is exactly the same graphics than PS5
the point of the PS5 Pro is framerate stability @ high resolutions. THATS IT.
@@spiltcoff33but the framerate is the same at 60fps compared to PS5, so what’s the point ?
@ yes with high fidelity like ray tracing during gameplay, og PS5 can only do that at 30fps. the pro can also play it at 4K120. need me to go on?
People only just noticing that the RT looks bad on metallic paints lol. It was already like that since the beginning. You could see it in showrooms when selecting metallic colors, where it would look blurry and have this ghosting artifact thing going on. It's not like they updated RT, they just made it so it's available in gameplay.
Watched it on my phone, and one just looks darker than the other. Watched on my big 75 inch 4K TV in the livingroom however... ohhhhh now I see it hahaha. Yeah, the cockpit reflections and shadows look better. Cars and environment - yeah slightly, but moves so fast most of the time that it's subtle. Will actually play the game and psvr2 when I get off work to see the in person version.
The interior has the most noticeable upgrade
You should test the Callisto protocol update! I’d be curious to see what you think of the 8k30 mode vs 4k40 mode
People repeating 700, 700, 700... Ok. Its either 400 or 450 or whatever it is a PS5 BASE costs, or 699 for the pro. The pro also has 2tb of storage, 1tb improvement or even more than the base ( usable ends up being like 1.8) which would be a 75 dollar upgrade to begin with basically. So Lets say you dont have a PS5 at all. You can get a PS5 WITH a storage upgrade for, 500, whatever or for 200 more you get the pro with the upgrade slot still empty to add storage later if you need to. So thats the FIRST thing. Secondly if you are OK having one console, your base PS5 is worth 300+ used. maybe more. And once again, if you have a STORAGE upgrade in it, you can remove it and put it in your pro, you have not lost money there, But again, you factor in the 300, (assuming you let it go DIRT cheap) and what the storage upgrade would cost you and your price difference is under 350..... Anyone whos looking at just this video and trying to decide let me tell you from using the pro.- it feels snappier. Having more options for modes and not having to sacrifice ray tracing in 60fps and knowing MANY games are going to lean on the pros hardware especially in VR - (at this point I would not even bother with VR without the pro, because if youre already OK spending hundreds for VR the 200 dollar difference in the consoles is negligible in the total price compared to experience). I am just saying.... its almost like FUD to keep moaning about 200 bucks... what do you expect to happen? The OG barely got a price cut, if the base machine had gotten 150 in price drops in 4 years and the pro came out at 550 but the price nobody would say anything -but currently is in free fall inflation here- the price of going to mcdonalds has gone up 50% in 5 years, the price of meat went up, the price of everything but things being subsidized or which already had HUGE profit overheads (they ate the increase to maintain volume and not drop production in those cases) went up - You KNOW your money is worth less than it was but you expect a brand new release game console to be the same price as it was before.... I hope everyone here braces for the next generation of consoles, because the two options are going to be- they aim for a 500 dollar pricepoint and the machines are anemic but they dont get the "Sticker shock " or the boxes are going to be 700 bucks-
RT off pssr on is a better deal for me
Me too it's not as smooth and lights look weird in tunnel on grand valley track with ray tracing on
Game has nice gfx so Pro adds RT reflections on gameplay now and PSVR2 got improvement as well.
Minor difference , not worth the $700 tag
Save up for PS6 instead !
I absolutely dislike this update. It broke the game for me. The picture is way darker than before, especially in HDR and I can barely see any benefits of PS5 Pro compared to before and there is no way to go back to the previous version, so disappointing.
Go to the video settings in game and scroll all the way down. That’s where you set brightness and contrast. Mine was set to -6 white, 42 black for this video
For all of you that don’t have a pro, I’m telling now from uncle c to you lol it’s a huge difference. Once you play and realize how smooth it is on the Pro. Most of you focusing on the graphics, it’s the gameplay that’s a huge difference. PS5 Pro in Performance mode is incredible. It’s not a huge jump in graphics but the gameplay in VR smooth as butter. No way I can play the old choppy version on ps5 that I never realized how bad it was until I played on a Pro. If I was you and you love racing in VR or with a wheel. It’s more than worth it. Like $100 bucks for extra 1T plus another $150 for 120h better game play ? How is it now worth it 😅? It’s literally so much better. I can’t play the og ps5 now it’s super choppy
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Is the game playable at 4K 120 FPS or even 2K 120 FPS on PS5 Pro with a 144hz screen ?
It was before patch 4k 120fps
@@k1cs1m3a8 Hmmm. Ok so what about now ? Is it playable at 120 FPS ?
Does AA look worse on PS5 pro or is that just me?
It does, it looked better before the update. This update is crap, it ruined the game imo. Im going back to PS5 version. I can barely notice this improved reflections especially while focusing on racing. while I notice worse resolution and more aliasing immediately. The new update even made the whole picture darker. I had to turn EV in the game to +1 to match the brightness prior the update and it still doesn’t look the same and as nice as before.
@ what a shame. Do you know if this pro mode Is vrr 120hz capable?
What’s the frame rate at 1440p?
Im happy with my PS5 Pro and can't wait to try GT7 on it. I think they will continue to improve the Pro version as time goes on.
the only difference i see is the price
Significantly improved or not, on my 4k 65 inch Sony TV on the base PS5 it looks spendid and have no intention to upgrade whatsoever.. Even in fps/performance mode. I do have VRR up to 120hz.
Fun fact : PS5 pro won’t be able to do GTA 6
The pro version, in 'fidelity mode' is notably lower resolution. I can't stand the blockiness/shimmering that they put in place to enable the ray tracing, it really ruins the experience.
If better in FPS mode, but barely.
You can run in 120hz mode now with a lot less resolution drop.... but that's still massively disappointing compared to what i was expecting from this game.
I love PSSR
cause im a real pssr
and i love psswasser
Not worth it at all and with the price you get closer to pc territory, so skip.
I would never buy a pc only consoles.
in question about fps, there is a lot of difference to the normal ps5 game
Apart from the interior lighting, seeing other cars on the body reflection, the night races, and the smoothness of the PSVR2 on the Pro, the changes are very minor. Yes, the PS5 Pro is better, especially in VR and those night sequences, but once again, it is not £700 better. The base PS5 performance and visuals still hold up really well, and for my needs, and for my TV, the PS5 Pro is not for me.
But it is nice that you uploaded this so that we can see the changes for the Base and Pro performance and visuals. Much appreciated!
the ps5 pro isn't 700 pounds more expensive than the base unit
@trs8696 I know it isn't. I mentioned the price. I didn't say it was more expensive anywhere in my comment.
Considering that the base slim disc console is £479.99, and the digital slim is £389.99 I still wouldn't say that the Pro is worth the extra £220 - £310 for what you're getting for the average consumer.
@@UntLionand add another tb of ssd storage
@BiggNewt Okay, the storage part is good. But the graphical? Unless it's games that need it, like FF7 Rebirth, F1 24, and more, I personally feel that the Pro isn't worth it.
Take that as you will. I shall say no more on the matter. Obviously, I pushed a bit too far.
Sure, maybe it will be worth it one day, and that will be good. But I remain pessimistic.
@UntLion worth is subjective. Value is not.
A $400 slim that adds a $150 1tb ssd, a wifi7 upgrade over wifi6 and then you add the graphical advancements and it's priced right at $700.
A PC equivalent is at least a $1000.
man, these are such small upgrades for seven HUNDRED dollars. I think graphics tech has hit a good point where it doesnt really matter to me anymore. İf a game is made with an ok budget, it's gonna look good.
What the hell are you taking about? This is not a ps6, its improving existing game, did you expect a new version or something? Its also going to vary on game to game basis.
For ex. Callisto protocol is twice the framerate on the ps5 pro while looking better. You just dont understand how games are built
ok so what about fps?
There is any change
Driveclub did it better and with much less power.
The Pro obviously gets drier tracks. It r nut fare!
While it is a slight upgrade,I would still buy a 2TB SSD for 200€ and be happy with my A chassis
I’d rather get a Xbox than slight bump in graphics on the same games I’ve been playing for years
lol
Enjoy your split memory bottleneck & native 900p resolution while 75% of Xbox players own the Series S, so devs end up focusing on the weaker console instead of the Series X 💀
Lol
I dont see anything here that would me me waste 700
TH-cam can't show these differences ya dummy 😂
it is not differnce
Glasses.
Watch it in real life not on TH-cam that cant even show 4k..use you're head
Subtle
the interior lighting with the RX7 on tokyo expressway looks better on the standard PS5 to me, its way too bright on the pro. everywhere else the pro is much better than the standard PS5
8:41 Ps5 pro made the car a cabrio? Why is there so much light? Looks bad.
Because it's reflecting light properly. If you go through a lighted tunnel, your dash will be lit up, not dark like it stays on the base.
But why is it the same brightness under the dash in the foot area? I've been many tunnels none of them was like this. No shadows either. Ray tracing is still a meme, even on pc.
@@Qbasz007 watch when they are out of the tunnel and the individual lights reflecting off the dash, they don't even show on the ps5 base.