Reaction to the news that the Big Ten will be expanding to 18 teams by adding Oregon and Washington. 0:00 - Bruce Feldman and Joel Klatt React 24:15 - Andy Katz on What the Additions Mean for Basketball 38:16 - Fox Sports’ and Former Oregon Coach Mark Helfrich on What It Means for the Ducks 50:41 - The Athletic’s Nicole Auerbach on the Financials & Today’s Events 1:04:29 - Anthony Herron, Nicole Auerbach and Jake Butt Reactions and Thoughts
The PAC will be missed, but I think Big10 will respect the history better than anyone. Oregon will compete in this conference every year. Look forward to the competition. Beavs would compete as well
What a awesome day 4 BIG schools on the west coast welcome to the show Washington and Oregon can't wait to see Michigan in Seattle and Eugene. GO Blue!!!
How often do you think that's going to happen? Once every 3 or 4 years they will play in Eugene. OU is going to play USC, UCLA, UW, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Nebraska, Iowa consistently and then 3 others out of the 10 left.
@@seanj2370 TV networks did not bring UO into the league to have them play Minnesota, Wisconsin, Nebraska, and Iowa. The flight is about an hour longer to play OSU, Michigan, and Penn State, that's where the ratings are.
Usually when schools transition to new conferences, their uniforms change. That won't be the case with SC. It's gonna be the same uniforms they currently wear but with a big ten logo patch instead of the likely defunct pac 12 logo. I can't wait to see what the new conference uniforms will look like.
@@voiceofreason2674 well, we do have the 3rd most wins in the Rose Bowl and can thank you guys for our two national titles. Thanks Desmond! As, when I started watching Football, we were eating you guys for breakfast.
@@voiceofreason2674 Omg, it did fly right over my head, brilliant joke brother! Wow, and I’m old too. I’ve pounded, or been pounded by, many huskies myself.
@@gtd637 some of the traditions needs to go away. There are traditions that protected programs over the years. I’m hoping the expansions will give you people what you want and force teams to play tougher schedules year in and year out. I’m also hoping that Michigan will be exposed by modern offenses and learn to adapt like Georgia and Alabama did.
I miss watching the Pac 10 champion playing the Big 10 champion in the Rose Bowl on New Year's day. That will never happen again. 😢 Heck, the Pac 12 no longer exists.
the actual rose bowl games have been terrible though. like Utah versus Penn State this previous season was terrible. It was better in the BCS when you would occasionally get a legit SEC or ACC team come thru and take on the best team from the Big Ten or the PAC it felt more like a championship back then. Whens its always big ten versus pac, and theres the playoffs, theres just enough talent left in those two leagues to get a good game going
The B10 championship may be the East B10 division winner vs the West division winner We could see a Ohio St vs USC UM vs Washington Penn St vs Oregon In Pasadena in December instead of January 😂
Washington State should join Mountain West. They are one of the losers here. At least that is a decent conference and WSU could be a dominant team there.
@@ChrisTesch87man don't be bad this country was literally built on the haves vs haves not there's winner and loser on every aspect of life this is just the lastest example
The matchups, the venues, the alumni, and the fan base of all 18 schools spread out coast to coast will be exciting to all no matter what the time zones or the traveling miles will be.
Welcome to the show! B1G adds two cfb playoff teams. The inaugural playoff is now vs 2 B1G teams, technically. We'll see how it goes but this is a B1G middle finger to the SEC!
@@jackharrington697 We'll see. It's a strange new world where cfb is concerned. The NCAA dropped the ball, it's like the wild wild west now, as a result. While its crappy for smaller schools, as a CFB fan, I'm most excited for the bigger matchups we'll be getting!
i LOVE both these programs. i remember playing Washington in the rosebowl many years ago. and i love what Oregon has done for college football. welcome to the Big 10
I could not be more excited for this! I can just imagine the epic games and new rivalries! The big 10 has been tremendous in its additions the last few years. Welcome usc, ucla, washington and oregon! Go bucks!
Let's dump early season out of conference games. No more cupcake teams. Will diminish SOS arguments. Conference is now big enough that we can just play in conference schedules.
Oregon and Washington won't agree with that -- they are going to want, if at all possible, to schedule Oregon State and WSU. We're talking some very old rivalries there. Oregon and Oregon State first played each other in 1896.
That would CRUSH the b1gs playoff hopes, I think. 😂 Edit: that is why the SEC wont do it without more money. Just more injuries, more chances to get upset. The more games you play, the more talent that is healthy becomes a problem. It'll kill cinderella teams' hopes. Idk, it sounds good on paper...and if every other league did it, sure. But as a UT fan, while I really liked round robin scheduling...it really caused us to eat each other up when the b12 was good. Idk. Doesn't sound like a smart plan unless you can get everyone else to go along with it.
@@cacogenicist no school is going to go for it it any conference. It might get reduced by a game or two but WAY too many teams have rivalries outside of the conference. Notre Dame for example. USC / Notre Dame one of the biggest rivalries. ND also has on again off again rivalries with Michigan, Michigan State etc. USC still gonna wanna play Stanford alot too. As someone else said Oregon and Washington have in state rivals outside the conference. Iowa too with Iowa State. No other league will go for it either. Florida State and Florida and Miami wont all end up in the same league. Florida State is going to play Florida and Miami every year. If they are in SEC and Miami is in Big 10 they are still gonna wanna play. If both are in Big 10 they are still going to want to play Florida in SEC.
Keeping 9 conference games will be hard to do with 18 teams. I don’t think anyone wants divisions anymore so the best solution is to go to 10 conference games, allowing two out of conference games.
As a Michigan fan, this is pretty exciting with the additions of USC, UCLA, Oregon and Washington. Now there will be plenty of Marquee games in conference and think about these Marquee games will now be on three major networks, Fox, CBS and NBC. Not to mention there will be some big games on FS1, Big Ten Network and to a lesser extent, peacock. I feel that the exposure these West Coast Schools will have played a factor into them joining the Big Ten.
And these marquee matchups that millions of eyeballs will be watching, is just going to exponentially increase the next TV (and streaming) contracts in the coming years. Win-Win!!
@@SWest00072 yep you nailed it. The fact that all the Marquee games will be either on Fox, CBS or NBC where millions of people will be able to watch it is huge. Just when you thought the TV deal the Big Ten now have is the largest in college sports history, just wait until 2030.
I honestly thought when the new B1G logo was introduced they will go to 18 teams because the "G" in the logo appears to have a 8 and it was all in the branding.
Never! That only makes sense for a few teams....and then it also gives them a HUGE home field advantage. That would be the dumbest move ever. No "current Big Ten teams would like that as a permanent home. Its not a neutral site for everyone.
The B1G championship game needs to absolutely go away, with 12 in the CFP and 18 in the conference there's no need for a conference championship game or will only hurt the B1G teams.
@@otisjohnjr.3023 The game makes too much money for the conference. I don’t see it going away. I do see the game being rotated between two or three sites. The Rose Bowl will absolutely be used at least every few years.
@@GBU61 before long that game will only hurt the conference, think about this long term. Say USC and OSU are undefeated and clearly in the 12 team CFP. Now one has to take a defeat and could actually drop in seeding for the CFP.
They basically are now. They have three major TV contracts where SEC has one ACC has one Pac-12 doesn’t even have one- this was the big reason for their collapse
@davegazzolo5340 I don't know what you mean by that. These are exciting times in college sports, even if some stuffy people want to return to the days of leather helmets in football.
Being left out of the rat race for more money has to hurt financially, but it can help restore some semblance of consistency and normalcy for the average student/fan of those schools left out. More consistent start times, games played on Saturday afternoon like when grandpa went to school vs. whenever which network dictates your start times 3-4 days before kickoff, new chances to create new rivalries. There is always a path forward, but the first step is often the hardest.
Who are you kidding? Washington State and Oregon State will be forced to eliminate the football programs..and possibly all the other sports. No revenue.
Making it sound like the B10 did this for OR &WA out of goodwill is deceptive. The B10 saw a fire sale and knew they has OR & WA over a barrel to accept less money. The B10 schools are getting more money, or they would not have voted for these additions. If they felt goodwill they would have taken Stanford & Cal too. It was all about money, with logistics being a bonus.
Not necessarily, footprint matters too, and leads to more money in the future. As well as competition. I don't think the SEC will expand, except for a few schools. Notre Dame, FSU, perhaps Clemson...that's about it. Splitting money more ways isn't the greatest thing. But having a large footprint on the west coast is good for advertising. Idk, we will see how it works out. But, I would be careful just willy nilly adding more. Might hurt more than it helps. 🤷♂️
@@firghteningtruth7173 I was pushing back on the rhetoric that the B10 was throwing out a lifeline out of the goodness of their heart. They won't add anyone unless it brings them more money. OR & WA are better teams than most of the B10, and can take a game from the top 3. They brought the B10 a chunk of change, that is why they are in, and at a bargain.
@@firghteningtruth7173 its interesting what SEC will do. you are right they won't consider Miami which means Big 10 will probably get them. Two teams you didn't mention were UNC and Virginia. They are big state flagship schools that are under consideration by both the SEC and Big 10. They fit Big 10 more academically but they are flagships in contiguous states with the current SEC and make as much, if not more financial sense for SEC than Clemson and FSU.
@@gregm4441 for sure. It's basically what the BIG 10 did when they stole Maryland from the ACC. Both placating Penn State and killing ACC dreams of stealing them as well as severely damaging the ACC. Maryland being a state flagship in a decent market with good recruiting in DC area meant their was money in throwing the anchor to the ACC even if Maryland wasn't near the football brand that is most prized like a USC or Texas.
I'm sure that there will still be late games for some of the West Coast team's home games. It would be crazy for the BIg Whatever to pass up an additional game AFTER the East Coast prime time game. Putting a game in the 7pm PT slot would mean prime time for the West and a 10pm bonus game for the Est Coast fans, that in previous years would have just been a game that B1G fans wouldn't be interested in, between 2 PAC-12 schools.
There’s talk that ESPN wants jump into the negotiations with the B1G once their NBA contract has been finalized. They want to air the evening game time slot now that Oregon and Washington are on board.
Hello B1G fans! 🙂 As a UO grad and longtime fan who's been to 35+ games, I'm excited to start playing y'all. It's gonna be weird to not see Cal, Stanford, Wazzu, Colorado, Utah, Arizona, Arizona State, etc on our schedule anymore, but I'm sure we'll have plenty of good games against B1G teams in the coming years. Curious to see how football scheduling is worked out, but I think the four the west coast teams should all play each other annually to help cut down on travel. It'd guarantee one or two shorter road trips for all four programs every year in addition to reducing the number of times existing B1G teams will have to travel across the country. Plus we're all familiar foes to one another, and I'd argue matchups between Oregon/Washington/USC/UCLA are pretty much always highly anticipated games that draw big crowds and solid TV ratings. Looking forward to meeting fans of existing B1G teams and welcoming them to Autzen! I'm certain it'll be a sold-out madhouse when the big dogs come to visit, but hopefully attendance and ratings will be solid for the medium and small B1G teams as well.
Agreed that's why think when the big goes to twenty teams I can see them doing a NFL type style format. 4 divisions inside the conference with a 4 team playoff for the conference championship. Winner with automatic bid to play for a chance of national championship. If they can get the other conferences to fall in line with same format that would be awesome. Remains to be seen if there are 3 conferences or 4, but my gut says by 2025 will be just be the big 12, Big 10, and the SEC. 20 to 24 teams per conference. You fill in the remaining spots for the playoffs for the natty with remaining highest ranked teams. Basing off record and strength of schedule. Welcome to the big 10 from THE Ohio State fan base. Let's get it!!!
I hope karma comes one day for the B1G, usc, ucla, uw, and oregon. The complete disrespect for 100 years of tradition and pageantry is disgusting. I guess some people only care about more money.
Oregon's record vs BIG10 since 2012 below. Outside of Michigan State, Washington hasn't won a meaningful team vs the BIg10 since 2001. Oregon is a serious problem for BIG10 teams. They're built like an SEC school, they're deep at each position, they're a top 10 recruiting class, their coach is on the rise, and their home field: "Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." Lloyd Carr, Michigan Coach. 2021/09/11 Oregon 35 - Ohio State 28 W 2020/01/01 Oregon 28 - Wisconsin 27 W Rose Bowl 2018/12/31 Oregon 7 - Michigan St 6 W Redbox Bowl 2017/09/09 Oregon 42 - Nebraska 35 W 2016/09/17 Oregon 32 - Nebraska 35 L 2015/09/12 Oregon 28 - Michigan St 31 L 2015/01/12 Oregon 20 - Ohio State 42 L CFP Championship 2014/09/06 Oregon 46 - Michigan St 27 W 2012/01/02 Oregon 45 - Wisconsin 38 W Rose Bowl
I’m not sure I agree. It was a disgruntled USC that approached the B1G several years ago. What was the B1G suppose to do, say no? Turning down the second largest tv market and one of the nations most storied programs? Passing that up would’ve been crazy. They learned from the PAC’s mistake when they passed up Tex and OU.
chadvon. USC had already decided that they hated the pac and wanted out. The PAC was already crumbling at that point. The bad TV deals had been going on for years. The B1G did not break the PAC. You have to do research and take the time to find facts.
With 18 teams, it seems obvious to have two 9 team divisions (football). Hopefully, they are fluid divisions which change every season depending on the previous season's results.
I could see adding an extra conference game, and play 3-7-7 format. This would allow the 4 West coast teams play each other every year, then play half of the remaining conference teams each year.
This has been craziness. Its a happy day but also a sad day. Hsppy in the fact Ducks and the huskies have a home for sure now. Sad in the way of our conference dying, rivalry games possibly very rarely never being played again. Go Ducks 🦆🦆🦆
The base issue is media rights should not be administered by leagues. All schools could get the highest if the NCAA did their job. Can you imagine if each division in the NFL had the right to add teams and administrate Media. Stupid. Regional leagues still make more sense for all college sports.
Bring in Cal and Stanford to the Big10. Big10 would have 4, five team divisions. And a 4 team "playoff" to determine the champion. North Division: Washington, Oregon, Stanford, Minnesota, Wisconsin. South Division: UCLA, USC, CAL, Nebraska, Iowa Central Division: Northwestern, Illinois, Indiana, Purdue, Michigan St. East Division: Michigan, Ohio St, Penn St, Maryland, Rutgers 8 game Conference schedule. This gives each team 4 Division games, and 1 game against each other Division. 1 permanent cross Division rivalry for each team to maintain rivalries. Conference game 9 match ups are determined based on divisional standings (North v South and Central v East) with the top teams from each division matching up to determine who plays in the championship game. This balances out travel issues as every school would have at least one long trip. Also because game 9 will be determined based on divisional standings, you will get a balanced and competitive final game. For other sports, like basketball, you play everyone once, and your natural rival twice. 20 is the magic number.
@@markwilliams9963 The "Playoff" would be the 9th conference game. You would match-up based on standings up to that point. North v South & Central v East. 1s v 1s. 2s v 2s etc. Then the winners of the 1v1 match-ups would play in the Big10 championship game.
@@markwilliams9963 Yeah, that way you get more variety in match-ups at the end of the regular season, and those matchups will be balanced meaning every game should be good top to bottom.
As a lifelong Husky I'm extremely excited and proud to be one of the teams to come over to the B1G. Obviously now theres work to be done. But we get to keep our rivalry wirh Oregon alive and well and get to raise the level of competition overall which in the short-term will be difficult, but in the long-term will be a huge for the brand we put out in all sports. But specifically football. Looking forward to seeing games broadcast nationally and watching how recruiting builds. Washington and Oregon are both great programs and will really grow into something special in the future as they grow in the conference. Go Huskies!!!!
There's a super convenient way to schedule an 18-team football league: Ten games make up the conference season for each team. Each team gets three protected rivalries, who they play every year. Each team plays the remaining 14 teams every other year. This allows each team two non-conference games per year, three geographic or historical rivalry games per year, AND allows players the chance to potentially play against each B1G opponent home and away at least once over the course of 4 years.
I'm a huge fan of the OSU-Michigan game. Never missed watching that one on TV since I was twelve. But preserving rivalries isn't a really fair way to schedule. Michigan has to play OSU every year while Illinois gets to play NW etc... To many of us fans, rivalry games are the best of college football, mostly for nostalgic/traditional reasons. But to try to preserve anything nostalgic/traditional in this environment is pointless. That ain't what it's about anymore. So may as well try to give everyone an even playing field and ditch the rivalry concept. Although there's really no way to make a fair/balanced schedule with 18 teams unless they're gonna play 15 or so conference games.
@@joeseddit Those rivalries are why people are more engaged than pro football. If you make college football entirely about money and championships without consideration for the fans, then the model will fail over time. After all, it would just be a minor league for the pros. The reason college football is so successful is because there are things for every fan to cheer for, even when the team isn't that good. There are always rivalries and cups. Getting rid of them would be incredibly short-sighted, even if it's unfair.
@@scratchpenny I would take your second sentence, get rid of the first three words, put an "is" behind "football", and replace "then" with an "and". You say the model will fail over time. I'm suggesting that time is starting now. Two rivalries were just either destroyed or at least diminished - the apple cup and the civil war. And with the new expanded playoff/cash grab format, my beloved Ohio St./Michigan game will be reduced to nothing more than an exhibition game as both teams will most likely finish with a record worthy of qualifying for a 12 team playoff, regardless of the outcome of the big game. May as well rest their starters.
@@gtd637 I've already started to lose interest. If you was a Pac 8/10/12 or Big 8/12 fan, all your traditional games would be decimated. The Big Ten is immune for now, but eventually the traditional games will become diluted if it somehow happens to mean more revenue.
Easy to do East West divisions now. From michigan and Indiana to the east are all east teams and from illinois west (NU or Ill to the east and other to the west) are all west teams.
This makes zero sense geographically. Do you really want to watch Big Ten games starting at 10PM EST on the west coast! Not to mention they just decimated the PAC10. This is a big mistake as the conference is way too big now. Not to mention the long history of the Big 10 has now been compromised. What a mud pie! The only good thing is that these are great west coast programs. But my gut feeling is nausea! 🤮
I'm a TERP fan. I love the way this conference stretches from coast to coast. this will help Maryland recruiting. we will have an opportunity to recruit west coast player that normally would not even consider the Terrapins. thank you Big10!
How soon they forget that Oregon beat Ohio State 2 years ago. Oregon has been asking for more challenges. You all will be surprised how well Oregon does in the Big 10.
Oregon absolutely stomped OhioSt. And they only won 9 total games that year including the conference game and their bowl game. Now they have top tier recruiting, transfers, and probably coaching too.
Oregon will do well in the B10 no doubt. Also- the B10 revenue is going to help Oregon become better. Similar to how Texas A&M has gotten better talent wise and how Texas is now recruiting at an all time level. It’s a win / win for the B10 and Oregon. I’m not even an Oregon fan either
@@zehsackett6132 absolutely stomped??? It was a 7 point game in the 4th quarter. Stomping would be 30+ points. Oregon will do well. Great program. Seems like you hate Ohio State though. OSU has won their last 4 rose bowls, so they do fine recently against pac teams. They also beat Oregon in the innagural playoff championship game.
This Michigan fan has nothing but respect for the Ducks. Was sitting behind the Oregon bench when they came into Ann Arbor and obliterated the Wolverines. The players were all saying "too slow" to the home crowd...and they weren't wrong. The Ducks have a big brand, iconic uniforms, and I'm looking forward to seeing all the top B1G teams face them and Washington. Better football, period. Best football conference, top to bottom. Yes, the SEC still is better at the top, but the gap is narrowing.
I think everyone who had an ault against Kevin Warren owes that man an apology. He called game on Oregon and Washington and people didnt like how he was moving. But following the path that he already paved... smh the hypocrisy
I look for the B1G and SEC to demand the two get at least half of the automatic bids (ie - at least 6 spots) when the playoff format is decided with the Big 12/ACC each getting 1. It might not happen in 2024 because of optics but it will happen eventually. With the money advantages the SEC/B1G have, it will be tougher every year for other conferences to compete making it unfair to leave the decision of who gets in to people outside the B1G and SEC. When that happens it will allow the B1G to create a championship weekend to for a play-in game (1v2 for the championship/playoff bye and 3v4 for the 3rd spot in the playoff). A B1G/SEC playoff weekend will make a ridiculous amount of money (TV networks love live TV with huge ratings 4 weeks before Christmas).
Love this move. Glad to watch Pac 12 incompetence help the Big Ten get bigger! Bigger 10 does sound good, grab UNC and Clemson or and call it the Big 20.
Penn State and Pitt had an annual rivalry dating back to 1893 that came to an abrupt halt when Penn State joined the B1G in 1993. Since then, they have only been able to arrange two 4-game series--from 1997-2000 and 2016-2019.
USC @ Washington with a B1G Logo on the football field and uniforms instead of a Pac 12 logo will take some getting use to. It simply comes down to money 💰 and certainly USC, UCLA, OREGON AND WASHINGTON deserve the B1G CONFERENCE. WHY NOT SEE OHIO STATE VS. WASHINGTON OR MICHIGAN VS USC MORE FREQUENTLY AND SO ON. Best of luck to USC, UCLA, OREGON AND WASHINGTON IN THE B1G CONFERENCE IN 2024!
Besides sports, academically the big 10 adds two AAU member and boosts total up to 17 with only Nebraska being left off the AAU members list, compare that with ACC who has 7 including Notre Dame, SEC 5, Big 12 4 (all new this year)
Bro no one cares about AAU except conferences that have decided it matters. 😂 Might even hurt recruiting. Look at Brian Kelly at ND. Now look at him at LSU. See the difference? 😂
I find it interesting how the Big 10 cares so much about AAU schools (maybe because research grants eclipse athletics revenue by a lot), but it’s also why I suspected that it might invite Cal and Stanford; those two schools also have really strong athletics in general, just not so much in football
We did this for you Trojans. So that travel would not be as bad and you have neighboring partners. I hope the Big 12 saves Cal, Oregon State, washington State and Stanford now. Also the Big Ten will never change its name. There are too many traditionalist and alumni that would burn things down. They will keep the name but use BIG or b2G as the branding but it will always be the Big Ten until it dies.
I agree. Since 1993, the B1G or Big11ten before that show, Big10 is a brand name, not to be taken literally. Consider also, affiliates such as the University of Chicago, John's Hopkins, Notre Dame as a Hockey member. Football aside, this is an academic heavyweight, and there's way more money in that.
I wonder how this will impact the 2024 schedule, which was already released. They will obviously scrap that now. How many "locks" does each team get now (it was going to be 3)? And what will they be?
The math before was 3 locks + 6 rotaters + 3 OOC = 12 games each season; that gave every team a game against every team every 2 years. Now it might be 3 locks + 7 rotaters + 2 OOC = 12 games each season with similar results Or do you go with 5 locks + 4 rotaters + 3 OOC = 12 games; play every team every 3 years?
@@bmlong137 No, it wasn't. The number of protected rivalries varied from team to team. I believe that 3 was the most. But Penn State had ZERO, and the others had 1 or 2.
@@bmlong137Going to a 10 game conference schedule essentially eliminates any marquee non-conference matchups. If a school does a home-and-home series for a non-conference matchup with 10 conference games, that will mean that one of those two years they will only have 6 home games instead of their typical 7. Iowa specifically will resist this change because they have a priority of maintaining a 7 home game schedule every year and they also want to keep the annual Iowa State rivalry. The same could be true for Oregon-Oregon State and Washington-Washington State now. Especially for the schools in the smaller college towns (ie Iowa City, Eugene) losing that 7th home game every other year would have a significant impact on the local economy of the city. Many small businesses make a lot their annual revenue during those 7 weekends each fall.
Think about recruiting too. Years ago my nephews were on a San Diego HS football team that had a top tier recruit, and he was looking at some Big 10 schools, but in the end, he didn't like the idea that if he came here, none of his friends and family were likely to ever be able to come to any of his games. Now, a kid from the west coast who comes to the Midwest can be sure of at least some games out there every year.
@@gtd637 They won't be now - that's why adding these schools will help. I doubt that these western schools will get sent to Rutgers or Maryland often, but the flight to the Midwest is not much farther than a lot of the flights within the PAC 12. For example the flight from USC to Washington is only about 1 1/2 to 2 hours shorter than the flight to Michigan State.
@@gtd637 Sure they can - these schools charter jets, they don't fly commercial. There are no direct flights from Lansing, MI to any Big 10 towns except Minneapolis and Chicago, but there are airports in all of them. I actually got to fly on the team plane (basketball) once because my wife's uncle was a friend and assistant of Tom Izzo. When some booster had to cancel last minute, Gary asked if he could invite my wife and I to come on the trip to Penn State and then I got a call saying that if we could be at the airport within an hour, we could make the trip. I forget the airport we landed at but it wasn't too far from campus, and my wife and I got the full booster treatment.
It’s really silly when every analyst says that long travel is being “alleviated” by adding two more west coast schools. You can’t play a team (depending on the sport) more twice in a season. Also, it’s not a short flight from LA to Seattle. It’s 2 1/2 hours. I think the reality is that non revenue producing sports are going to have a rude awakening in the future. They will likely go to regional conferences with Football and basketball staying super conferences
Man EA going to be reworking these fields and unis for all of these switches next year lol 2024 is going to be the BIGGEST YEAR OF COLLEGE FOOTBALL in history! The DEBUT of 3 SUPER CONFERENCES and the RETURN of NCAA FOOTBALL!
Everyone just focuses on football and that is fine. But this gives great opportunities for Al sports. Women’s tennis and swimming and gymnastics. It is all fantastic.
Heck might as well add Stanford and Cal they won’t add value as far as television but would save member schools many millions of dollars in travel costs.
I like, their fan bases aren't the best, but they are in the #9 TV market and academically they are two of the best in the country, for whatever that's worth these days
Do you guys realize that all the current Big 10 baseball, softball, golf and track teams travel to either the west coast or deep south for the first 5-6 weeks of their seasons already? As a further example Michigan plays W soccer at USC and Pepperdine this year. Last year W tennis played at Tempe, Seattle, San Francisco and Berkeley. M tennis played at Tempe, San Diego twice, Seattle, and LaJolla and USC traveled to Ann Arbor twice . The point is that travel to the west coast is nothing new for most Big 10 teams. Granted in the past the west coast teams traveling to the Midwest wasn't nearly as common.
@@gtd637 This is what I think now. I don't like it. Pretty soon college will be only 2 or 3 Conferences. Most likely 2. BIG10 (AFC) and the SEC (NFC). It will be like the NFL. This started with NIL, just like the NFL. It's not good enough for a college football player to get an excellent education. Now they need millions of dollars as well. This is the death of College football as we know it for the past 100 years. NFL teams travel all the time. Players won't care. What's happening now is the death of college traditions, rivalries, and pride. All for money. It actually makes me sad.
After being bombarded with sad posts and people going on furious rants live on the news, watching this here in LA seems like a whole other world 😂. As a Trojan fan, this last season of the current pac 12, none of us can stand the sight of each other right now... Welcome to the big ten Washington.... Oregon, nothing needs to be said 🙄
I hope with the additions, there is a 1-8 model. 1 protected opponent, 8 home and away alternates. Final regular season games... Ohio state vs TTUN PSU vs Mich st Maryland vs Rutgers Indiana vs Purdue Northwestern vs Illinois Minnesota vs Wisc Iowa vs Neb Oregon vs Wash USC vs UCLA
@@tannerplaysguitarhero8031 It definitely needs looked at, there are a lot of new things to consider. My point is, I want to see more match ups, unlike some 8 game model conferences out there, while also giving every team, that "final battle."
I think the B10 will have either 3 or 5 yearly opponents (some permanent and some 2 years at a time) then play half of the rest of the conference every other year, 2 year cycles. My guess is 9 conference games.
The Chicago Bears need to build a domed stadium and build a entertainment district in Arlington Heights to have the Big 10 Football Championship game in a central location outside of Indianapolis.
The historic Rose Bowl would make a great Championship location. The weather is terrific that time of year, plus it continues the great tradition for those teams coming in from the PAC with the current B1G members.
Reaction to the news that the Big Ten will be expanding to 18 teams by adding Oregon and Washington.
0:00 - Bruce Feldman and Joel Klatt React
24:15 - Andy Katz on What the Additions Mean for Basketball
38:16 - Fox Sports’ and Former Oregon Coach Mark Helfrich on What It Means for the Ducks
50:41 - The Athletic’s Nicole Auerbach on the Financials & Today’s Events
1:04:29 - Anthony Herron, Nicole Auerbach and Jake Butt Reactions and Thoughts
The PAC will be missed, but I think Big10 will respect the history better than anyone. Oregon will compete in this conference every year. Look forward to the competition. Beavs would compete as well
The New Big Ten will be hella fun to watch!!!! I'm excited!!!!
What a awesome day 4 BIG schools on the west coast welcome to the show Washington and Oregon can't wait to see Michigan in Seattle and Eugene. GO Blue!!!
Last time Michigan was in Eugene... They were ranked 3rd in the nation and got beat
How often do you think that's going to happen? Once every 3 or 4 years they will play in Eugene. OU is going to play USC, UCLA, UW, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Nebraska, Iowa consistently and then 3 others out of the 10 left.
@@seanj2370 TV networks did not bring UO into the league to have them play Minnesota, Wisconsin, Nebraska, and Iowa. The flight is about an hour longer to play OSU, Michigan, and Penn State, that's where the ratings are.
Harbaugh's going to contemplate quitting coaching after those two visits. Or he'll be on the hot seat.
Will be weird watching Oregon at USC with a B1G logo on the field. Interesting times
And Oregon vs Washington too.
Usually when schools transition to new conferences, their uniforms change. That won't be the case with SC. It's gonna be the same uniforms they currently wear but with a big ten logo patch instead of the likely defunct pac 12 logo. I can't wait to see what the new conference uniforms will look like.
At the Big 10 Championship game, because they both beat Ohio State and Michigan. 🤣
This is crazy! But I'm very excited to see my Washington Huskies in the B1G Conference.
Me Too, go Dawgs!
in big ten country weve been pounding huskies for generations
@@voiceofreason2674 well, we do have the 3rd most wins in the Rose Bowl and can thank you guys for our two national titles. Thanks Desmond! As, when I started watching Football, we were eating you guys for breakfast.
@@daddio159 flew right over your head huh? I'm not talking about football I'm talking about big ole women
@@voiceofreason2674 Omg, it did fly right over my head, brilliant joke brother! Wow, and I’m old too. I’ve pounded, or been pounded by, many huskies myself.
Really looking forward to the Uniform game. Maryland (Under Armour) and Oregon (Nike).
Nobody care about uniforms, all we care about is NATIONAL TITLES PERIOD
@@trojanthebarber2688 Chill dude. Reference to Nike and in Under Armour. Yeesh
Is the winner the team with the ugliest uniform?
@@trojanthebarber2688 Kind of harsh hey, take a fricken pill.
Trust me, The Big Ten will sign a contract with Nike and they will all be the same.
Unfortunately.
As a Michigan fan in excited to see OSU play USC, UCLA, and Oregon.
Shouldn't you be excited to be playing Washington?
That used to be one of the best rivalries! How many times have they met in the
Rose Bowl?
As a Buckeye fan I must agree, I'm excited to see UM play them as well. Also excited for my Buckeyes to play them! Big games are the best!
As an Ohio State fan, I'm excited to play them too. Not even sarcastically stating that.
@@okGDJ I’m also excited
@@gtd637 some of the traditions needs to go away. There are traditions that protected programs over the years.
I’m hoping the expansions will give you people what you want and force teams to play tougher schedules year in and year out. I’m also hoping that Michigan will be exposed by modern offenses and learn to adapt like Georgia and Alabama did.
The country is finally going to realize how good the PAC teams are. They never got a fair shake prior
Exactly
I miss watching the Pac 10 champion playing the Big 10 champion in the Rose Bowl on New Year's day. That will never happen again. 😢 Heck, the Pac 12 no longer exists.
the actual rose bowl games have been terrible though. like Utah versus Penn State this previous season was terrible. It was better in the BCS when you would occasionally get a legit SEC or ACC team come thru and take on the best team from the Big Ten or the PAC it felt more like a championship back then. Whens its always big ten versus pac, and theres the playoffs, theres just enough talent left in those two leagues to get a good game going
The B10 championship may be the East B10 division winner vs the West division winner
We could see a
Ohio St vs USC
UM vs Washington
Penn St vs Oregon
In Pasadena in December instead of January 😂
@@markwilliams9963no more divisions after this season.
@@dxmnnndanny2092 right, will they ( we, sounds weird) change from 4, 4team pods to 3, 6 team ones ya think?
@@voiceofreason2674 oh and the cfp were so good lol...come on
As a life long UW fan I’m hella pumped to join the B1G. I just feel bad for Washington State.
Life long Oregon fan and (alum) but feel the same about joining the BIG... feel bad for Oregon State :(
Play them non-conference
@koty4558 screw the apple 🍎 cup non conference game! You leave for the big10 stay there.
Washington State should join Mountain West. They are one of the losers here. At least that is a decent conference and WSU could be a dominant team there.
@@ChrisTesch87man don't be bad this country was literally built on the haves vs haves not there's winner and loser on every aspect of life this is just the lastest example
The matchups, the venues, the alumni, and the fan base of all 18 schools spread out coast to coast will be exciting to all no matter what the time zones or the traveling miles will be.
Wolverine fan living in Seattle, excited to watch UM battle the Huskies
Once a decade, sadly
That's the one I'm most excited about!
Welcome to the show! B1G adds two cfb playoff teams. The inaugural playoff is now vs 2 B1G teams, technically.
We'll see how it goes but this is a B1G middle finger to the SEC!
Well from an SEC guy we will get revenge when we get Clemson, FSU, UNC, and Miami
@@jackharrington697
We'll see. It's a strange new world where cfb is concerned. The NCAA dropped the ball, it's like the wild wild west now, as a result.
While its crappy for smaller schools, as a CFB fan, I'm most excited for the bigger matchups we'll be getting!
@@JoeNOhio I agree the matchups will be huge and the NCAA really dropped the ball
@@jackharrington697UNC is not a brag. Clemson and FSU yes, but not UNC of Miami right now.
i LOVE both these programs. i remember playing Washington in the rosebowl many years ago. and i love what Oregon has done for college football. welcome to the Big 10
thank you much appreciated...sco ducks.....
Wasn't Oregon it was Phil knight. Good ole sweat shop owner (he's a fun read), oops retired now.
I could not be more excited for this! I can just imagine the epic games and new rivalries! The big 10 has been tremendous in its additions the last few years. Welcome usc, ucla, washington and oregon! Go bucks!
I can’t wait to see UW play UW
Good for Oregon & Washington joining the BIG10.
I'm a Husker fan living in Oregon. Can't wait to go see the Big Red in Autzen Stadium. GBR!
Oregon (Nike) vs. Maryland (Under Armour) will be an interesting battle of the Left and Right coast!
I was thinking the same thing
I was thinking the same thing
... That's not really a "battle".... program and brand wise
Nike Market Cap: $155b; Under Armour Market Cap: $3.3b. Battle settled!
Not only football - just think of the number of solid basketball programs in the Big Ten with these additions.
@@gtd637 - Might want to check the last 10 years with USC and Oregon. Your comment is definitionally ignorant.
?? USC made the Elite 8 and Oregon Final Four within the last ten years. UCLA needs no intro.
It is like the twilight zone seeing the “B1G” logo next to the Oregon O. I’m pumped for the future of this conference!
The BTN crew is going to need to replace the bus with a plane for the fall camp bus tours going forward.
The late great John Madden traveled coast to coast in a bus for years
They will probably create another studio in LA.
Folks… Hawaii has been traveling for ages. Never heard them whine about the time zone adjustments.
Let's dump early season out of conference games. No more cupcake teams.
Will diminish SOS arguments.
Conference is now big enough that we can just play in conference schedules.
Oregon and Washington won't agree with that -- they are going to want, if at all possible, to schedule Oregon State and WSU. We're talking some very old rivalries there. Oregon and Oregon State first played each other in 1896.
That would CRUSH the b1gs playoff hopes, I think. 😂
Edit: that is why the SEC wont do it without more money. Just more injuries, more chances to get upset. The more games you play, the more talent that is healthy becomes a problem. It'll kill cinderella teams' hopes.
Idk, it sounds good on paper...and if every other league did it, sure. But as a UT fan, while I really liked round robin scheduling...it really caused us to eat each other up when the b12 was good.
Idk. Doesn't sound like a smart plan unless you can get everyone else to go along with it.
@@cacogenicist no school is going to go for it it any conference. It might get reduced by a game or two but WAY too many teams have rivalries outside of the conference. Notre Dame for example. USC / Notre Dame one of the biggest rivalries. ND also has on again off again rivalries with Michigan, Michigan State etc. USC still gonna wanna play Stanford alot too. As someone else said Oregon and Washington have in state rivals outside the conference. Iowa too with Iowa State. No other league will go for it either. Florida State and Florida and Miami wont all end up in the same league. Florida State is going to play Florida and Miami every year. If they are in SEC and Miami is in Big 10 they are still gonna wanna play. If both are in Big 10 they are still going to want to play Florida in SEC.
@@firghteningtruth7173not with playoff expansion top big ten teams will get in
Keeping 9 conference games will be hard to do with 18 teams. I don’t think anyone wants divisions anymore so the best solution is to go to 10 conference games, allowing two out of conference games.
As a Michigan fan, this is pretty exciting with the additions of USC, UCLA, Oregon and Washington. Now there will be plenty of Marquee games in conference and think about these Marquee games will now be on three major networks, Fox, CBS and NBC. Not to mention there will be some big games on FS1, Big Ten Network and to a lesser extent, peacock. I feel that the exposure these West Coast Schools will have played a factor into them joining the Big Ten.
And these marquee matchups that millions of eyeballs will be watching, is just going to exponentially increase the next TV (and streaming) contracts in the coming years. Win-Win!!
@@SWest00072 yep you nailed it. The fact that all the Marquee games will be either on Fox, CBS or NBC where millions of people will be able to watch it is huge. Just when you thought the TV deal the Big Ten now have is the largest in college sports history, just wait until 2030.
Prime maybe even.
I honestly thought when the new B1G logo was introduced they will go to 18 teams because the "G" in the logo appears to have a 8 and it was all in the branding.
Let’s go Ducks
You mean let’s go Bucks hahaha let the fun begin
You mean, let’s go Blue, it will be fun
There are going to be some epic games coming up.
OSU alumni in Palm Springs CA and can't wait to go to LA to watch them play SC and UCLA.
With the Big Ten getting LA, it is possible that the Rose Bowl be the permanent host of the Big Ten football championship game.
Never! That only makes sense for a few teams....and then it also gives them a HUGE home field advantage. That would be the dumbest move ever. No "current Big Ten teams would like that as a permanent home. Its not a neutral site for everyone.
@@avidadolaresBig ten championship is currently in Indiana and there are 2 teams from Indiana?
The B1G championship game needs to absolutely go away, with 12 in the CFP and 18 in the conference there's no need for a conference championship game or will only hurt the B1G teams.
@@otisjohnjr.3023 The game makes too much money for the conference. I don’t see it going away. I do see the game being rotated between two or three sites. The Rose Bowl will absolutely be used at least every few years.
@@GBU61 before long that game will only hurt the conference, think about this long term. Say USC and OSU are undefeated and clearly in the 12 team CFP. Now one has to take a defeat and could actually drop in seeding for the CFP.
This channel Already an upgrade from Pac 12 network. 🎉.
Welcome to B1G nation! Glad to have you
Give me more competitive games that’s all that matters. This move makes Saturday double the fun.
As a Midwesterner I found the addition of Rutgers kinda way out in left field as a member, but now these 4 make Rutgers seem pretty local lol.
Huge Michigan fan and I'm pumped to be adding some seriously competitive football teams to the conference.
wait, you werent excited about Nebraska and Rutgers? lulz.
I can't wait as a Duck fan to play real competitive football. This is exciting
@@gtd637What? I'm also a Michigan fan and can't wait to play those great teams. (Maybe college football isn't your thing?)
August 6, 2023
Didn't we stomped Washington two years ago lmao, we're not that worried.@dionpryor6223
The once greatest sport ever is now watered down garbage
If big 10 gets more teams theyll have their own mini league
They basically are now.
They have three major TV contracts where
SEC has one
ACC has one
Pac-12 doesn’t even have one- this was the big reason for their collapse
I think its great! Great brands, great Games , Great venues!
Lifelong big ten fan here. We are killing college football 😢
@@gtd637Man, you're quite the killjoy going around dumping buckets of cold water the way you do.😒
@davegazzolo5340 I don't know what you mean by that. These are exciting times in college sports, even if some stuffy people want to return to the days of leather helmets in football.
Being left out of the rat race for more money has to hurt financially, but it can help restore some semblance of consistency and normalcy for the average student/fan of those schools left out. More consistent start times, games played on Saturday afternoon like when grandpa went to school vs. whenever which network dictates your start times 3-4 days before kickoff, new chances to create new rivalries. There is always a path forward, but the first step is often the hardest.
lmao okay
Who are you kidding? Washington State and Oregon State will be forced to eliminate the football programs..and possibly all the other sports. No revenue.
@brentj.peterson6070 They will will join either the Mountain West, or the Big-12.
Making it sound like the B10 did this for OR &WA out of goodwill is deceptive. The B10 saw a fire sale and knew they has OR & WA over a barrel to accept less money. The B10 schools are getting more money, or they would not have voted for these additions. If they felt goodwill they would have taken Stanford & Cal too. It was all about money, with logistics being a bonus.
Not necessarily, footprint matters too, and leads to more money in the future. As well as competition.
I don't think the SEC will expand, except for a few schools. Notre Dame, FSU, perhaps Clemson...that's about it.
Splitting money more ways isn't the greatest thing. But having a large footprint on the west coast is good for advertising. Idk, we will see how it works out.
But, I would be careful just willy nilly adding more. Might hurt more than it helps. 🤷♂️
@@firghteningtruth7173 I was pushing back on the rhetoric that the B10 was throwing out a lifeline out of the goodness of their heart. They won't add anyone unless it brings them more money. OR & WA are better teams than most of the B10, and can take a game from the top 3. They brought the B10 a chunk of change, that is why they are in, and at a bargain.
@@firghteningtruth7173 its interesting what SEC will do. you are right they won't consider Miami which means Big 10 will probably get them. Two teams you didn't mention were UNC and Virginia. They are big state flagship schools that are under consideration by both the SEC and Big 10. They fit Big 10 more academically but they are flagships in contiguous states with the current SEC and make as much, if not more financial sense for SEC than Clemson and FSU.
Putting it another way...instead of a lifeline, the B10 would have thrown them an anchor, if there was any money in doing so.
@@gregm4441 for sure. It's basically what the BIG 10 did when they stole Maryland from the ACC. Both placating Penn State and killing ACC dreams of stealing them as well as severely damaging the ACC. Maryland being a state flagship in a decent market with good recruiting in DC area meant their was money in throwing the anchor to the ACC even if Maryland wasn't near the football brand that is most prized like a USC or Texas.
New Sub 🦆who now resides in Midwest glad to b on da A Team no more Wak 12 with horrible referees and games played late nite 💯🅿️ GO DUCKS
I'm sure that there will still be late games for some of the West Coast team's home games. It would be crazy for the BIg Whatever to pass up an additional game AFTER the East Coast prime time game. Putting a game in the 7pm PT slot would mean prime time for the West and a 10pm bonus game for the Est Coast fans, that in previous years would have just been a game that B1G fans wouldn't be interested in, between 2 PAC-12 schools.
There’s talk that ESPN wants jump into the negotiations with the B1G once their NBA contract has been finalized. They want to air the evening game time slot now that Oregon and Washington are on board.
Hello B1G fans! 🙂 As a UO grad and longtime fan who's been to 35+ games, I'm excited to start playing y'all. It's gonna be weird to not see Cal, Stanford, Wazzu, Colorado, Utah, Arizona, Arizona State, etc on our schedule anymore, but I'm sure we'll have plenty of good games against B1G teams in the coming years.
Curious to see how football scheduling is worked out, but I think the four the west coast teams should all play each other annually to help cut down on travel. It'd guarantee one or two shorter road trips for all four programs every year in addition to reducing the number of times existing B1G teams will have to travel across the country. Plus we're all familiar foes to one another, and I'd argue matchups between Oregon/Washington/USC/UCLA are pretty much always highly anticipated games that draw big crowds and solid TV ratings.
Looking forward to meeting fans of existing B1G teams and welcoming them to Autzen! I'm certain it'll be a sold-out madhouse when the big dogs come to visit, but hopefully attendance and ratings will be solid for the medium and small B1G teams as well.
Agreed that's why think when the big goes to twenty teams I can see them doing a NFL type style format. 4 divisions inside the conference with a 4 team playoff for the conference championship. Winner with automatic bid to play for a chance of national championship. If they can get the other conferences to fall in line with same format that would be awesome. Remains to be seen if there are 3 conferences or 4, but my gut says by 2025 will be just be the big 12, Big 10, and the SEC. 20 to 24 teams per conference. You fill in the remaining spots for the playoffs for the natty with remaining highest ranked teams. Basing off record and strength of schedule. Welcome to the big 10 from THE Ohio State fan base. Let's get it!!!
I hope karma comes one day for the B1G, usc, ucla, uw, and oregon. The complete disrespect for 100 years of tradition and pageantry is disgusting. I guess some people only care about more money.
Larry Scott broke the PAC not the B1G. Is it wrong to pick up the best pieces of something that already broke?
Surprising the games will start so soon
Oregon's record vs BIG10 since 2012 below. Outside of Michigan State, Washington hasn't won a meaningful team vs the BIg10 since 2001. Oregon is a serious problem for BIG10 teams. They're built like an SEC school, they're deep at each position, they're a top 10 recruiting class, their coach is on the rise, and their home field: "Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." Lloyd Carr, Michigan Coach.
2021/09/11 Oregon 35 - Ohio State 28 W
2020/01/01 Oregon 28 - Wisconsin 27 W Rose Bowl
2018/12/31 Oregon 7 - Michigan St 6 W Redbox Bowl
2017/09/09 Oregon 42 - Nebraska 35 W
2016/09/17 Oregon 32 - Nebraska 35 L
2015/09/12 Oregon 28 - Michigan St 31 L
2015/01/12 Oregon 20 - Ohio State 42 L CFP Championship
2014/09/06 Oregon 46 - Michigan St 27 W
2012/01/02 Oregon 45 - Wisconsin 38 W Rose Bowl
🙄🤣🤣
Washington vs Michigan
Can't wait!
I beg the differ, Joel Klatt. The Big Ten was very predatory when it swooped in and snatched USC and UCLA to begin with.
I’m not sure I agree. It was a disgruntled USC that approached the B1G several years ago. What was the B1G suppose to do, say no? Turning down the second largest tv market and one of the nations most storied programs?
Passing that up would’ve been crazy. They learned from the PAC’s mistake when they passed up Tex and OU.
Utterly entirely untrue. No swoooping in at tall. USC appraoched the B1G. USC wanted out of the PAC badly. The B1g did not initiate/approach.
chadvon. USC had already decided that they hated the pac and wanted out. The PAC was already crumbling at that point. The bad TV deals had been going on for years. The B1G did not break the PAC. You have to do research and take the time to find facts.
With 18 teams, it seems obvious to have two 9 team divisions (football). Hopefully, they are fluid divisions which change every season depending on the previous season's results.
I could see adding an extra conference game, and play 3-7-7 format. This would allow the 4 West coast teams play each other every year, then play half of the remaining conference teams each year.
Divisions will always be dumb, the conferences are divisions
The SEC will still rule college football. Add as many teams as you’d like. Real football is played in the South!
West coast teams are going to find more difficult than anticipated! The Traveling! Big 10 should dump Maryland & Rutguers
This has been craziness. Its a happy day but also a sad day. Hsppy in the fact Ducks and the huskies have a home for sure now. Sad in the way of our conference dying, rivalry games possibly very rarely never being played again.
Go Ducks 🦆🦆🦆
Sad in a big way, but college football is a mercenary game these days 😏
Go Dawgs!
2 away from the Big10 becoming the Big20!!!!
the Big Country Conference
@@sodapopkidd Shell Yeah !!!!💙🐢
Last 2 spots....ND and Stanford
@@Sean-Ceventually yeah. Still some dominoes have to fall
Virginia and Miami next
The base issue is media rights should not be administered by leagues. All schools could get the highest if the NCAA did their job. Can you imagine if each division in the NFL had the right to add teams and administrate
Media. Stupid. Regional leagues still make more sense for all college sports.
WOW😮 Next season???? That is TOTALLY AWESOME😃🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾
Bring in Cal and Stanford to the Big10.
Big10 would have 4, five team divisions. And a 4 team "playoff" to determine the champion.
North Division: Washington, Oregon, Stanford, Minnesota, Wisconsin.
South Division: UCLA, USC, CAL, Nebraska, Iowa
Central Division: Northwestern, Illinois, Indiana, Purdue, Michigan St.
East Division: Michigan, Ohio St, Penn St, Maryland, Rutgers
8 game Conference schedule. This gives each team 4 Division games, and 1 game against each other Division. 1 permanent cross Division rivalry for each team to maintain rivalries.
Conference game 9 match ups are determined based on divisional standings (North v South and Central v East) with the top teams from each division matching up to determine who plays in the championship game.
This balances out travel issues as every school would have at least one long trip.
Also because game 9 will be determined based on divisional standings, you will get a balanced and competitive final game.
For other sports, like basketball, you play everyone once, and your natural rival twice.
20 is the magic number.
When would the B10 playoff games be played?
@@markwilliams9963 The "Playoff" would be the 9th conference game. You would match-up based on standings up to that point. North v South & Central v East. 1s v 1s. 2s v 2s etc. Then the winners of the 1v1 match-ups would play in the Big10 championship game.
@@ZagLineGaming you could be onto something …
However I don’t want Stanford and Cal. They’re terrible!
Bring in FSU & Clemson
@@markwilliams9963 Yeah, that way you get more variety in match-ups at the end of the regular season, and those matchups will be balanced meaning every game should be good top to bottom.
I'm just not good with this.
As a lifelong Husky I'm extremely excited and proud to be one of the teams to come over to the B1G. Obviously now theres work to be done. But we get to keep our rivalry wirh Oregon alive and well and get to raise the level of competition overall which in the short-term will be difficult, but in the long-term will be a huge for the brand we put out in all sports. But specifically football. Looking forward to seeing games broadcast nationally and watching how recruiting builds. Washington and Oregon are both great programs and will really grow into something special in the future as they grow in the conference. Go Huskies!!!!
As an S.C. fan living in the midwest, i cant be more excited for my team to be playing here! FIGHT ON ✌️🗡🏈 🌊🏄♂️🌴
B2G needs the fighting Lil men, and the pine trees.
See what you did there. Clever!
There's a super convenient way to schedule an 18-team football league:
Ten games make up the conference season for each team. Each team gets three protected rivalries, who they play every year. Each team plays the remaining 14 teams every other year. This allows each team two non-conference games per year, three geographic or historical rivalry games per year, AND allows players the chance to potentially play against each B1G opponent home and away at least once over the course of 4 years.
I'm a huge fan of the OSU-Michigan game. Never missed watching that one on TV since I was twelve. But preserving rivalries isn't a really fair way to schedule. Michigan has to play OSU every year while Illinois gets to play NW etc... To many of us fans, rivalry games are the best of college football, mostly for nostalgic/traditional reasons. But to try to preserve anything nostalgic/traditional in this environment is pointless. That ain't what it's about anymore. So may as well try to give everyone an even playing field and ditch the rivalry concept. Although there's really no way to make a fair/balanced schedule with 18 teams unless they're gonna play 15 or so conference games.
@@joeseddit Those rivalries are why people are more engaged than pro football. If you make college football entirely about money and championships without consideration for the fans, then the model will fail over time. After all, it would just be a minor league for the pros. The reason college football is so successful is because there are things for every fan to cheer for, even when the team isn't that good. There are always rivalries and cups. Getting rid of them would be incredibly short-sighted, even if it's unfair.
@@scratchpenny I would take your second sentence, get rid of the first three words, put an "is" behind "football", and replace "then" with an "and". You say the model will fail over time. I'm suggesting that time is starting now. Two rivalries were just either destroyed or at least diminished - the apple cup and the civil war. And with the new expanded playoff/cash grab format, my beloved Ohio St./Michigan game will be reduced to nothing more than an exhibition game as both teams will most likely finish with a record worthy of qualifying for a 12 team playoff, regardless of the outcome of the big game. May as well rest their starters.
@@gtd637 I've already started to lose interest. If you was a Pac 8/10/12 or Big 8/12 fan, all your traditional games would be decimated. The Big Ten is immune for now, but eventually the traditional games will become diluted if it somehow happens to mean more revenue.
Easy to do East West divisions now. From michigan and Indiana to the east are all east teams and from illinois west (NU or Ill to the east and other to the west) are all west teams.
This makes zero sense geographically. Do you really want to watch Big Ten games starting at 10PM EST on the west coast! Not to mention they just decimated the PAC10. This is a big mistake as the conference is way too big now. Not to mention the long history of the Big 10 has now been compromised. What a mud pie! The only good thing is that these are great west coast programs. But my gut feeling is nausea! 🤮
I'm a TERP fan. I love the way this conference stretches from coast to coast. this will help Maryland recruiting. we will have an opportunity to recruit west coast player that normally would not even consider the Terrapins. thank you Big10!
How soon they forget that Oregon beat Ohio State 2 years ago. Oregon has been asking for more challenges. You all will be surprised how well Oregon does in the Big 10.
Oregon absolutely stomped OhioSt. And they only won 9 total games that year including the conference game and their bowl game. Now they have top tier recruiting, transfers, and probably coaching too.
Oregon will do well in the B10 no doubt.
Also- the B10 revenue is going to help Oregon become better.
Similar to how Texas A&M has gotten better talent wise and how Texas is now recruiting at an all time level.
It’s a win / win for the B10 and Oregon. I’m not even an Oregon fan either
@@markwilliams9963Oregon is going to lose @ Texas tech.
@@zehsackett6132 absolutely stomped??? It was a 7 point game in the 4th quarter. Stomping would be 30+ points. Oregon will do well. Great program. Seems like you hate Ohio State though. OSU has won their last 4 rose bowls, so they do fine recently against pac teams. They also beat Oregon in the innagural playoff championship game.
This Michigan fan has nothing but respect for the Ducks. Was sitting behind the Oregon bench when they came into Ann Arbor and obliterated the Wolverines. The players were all saying "too slow" to the home crowd...and they weren't wrong. The Ducks have a big brand, iconic uniforms, and I'm looking forward to seeing all the top B1G teams face them and Washington. Better football, period. Best football conference, top to bottom. Yes, the SEC still is better at the top, but the gap is narrowing.
That big 18 sounding juicy
I think everyone who had an ault against Kevin Warren owes that man an apology. He called game on Oregon and Washington and people didnt like how he was moving. But following the path that he already paved... smh the hypocrisy
hes fine. don't feel bad for him. on the Chicago bears staff. he messed up some things so he deserved a lot of the criticism.
The 12 team CFP was as only created to keep control of an expected outcome, 16 teams gives less advantage to the top 4.
if the top 4 get bye week then they have advantage still...
@@dacokc with 16 no teams would get a bye week.
@@otisjohnjr.3023 I was reading to fast and missed where you said 16
Now dump Maryland and Rutgers to the ACC.
And Nebraska
I look for the B1G and SEC to demand the two get at least half of the automatic bids (ie - at least 6 spots) when the playoff format is decided with the Big 12/ACC each getting 1. It might not happen in 2024 because of optics but it will happen eventually. With the money advantages the SEC/B1G have, it will be tougher every year for other conferences to compete making it unfair to leave the decision of who gets in to people outside the B1G and SEC. When that happens it will allow the B1G to create a championship weekend to for a play-in game (1v2 for the championship/playoff bye and 3v4 for the 3rd spot in the playoff). A B1G/SEC playoff weekend will make a ridiculous amount of money (TV networks love live TV with huge ratings 4 weeks before Christmas).
You know Big Ten is just foaming at the mouth to get Notre Dame involved. Then just one more school after that. 😁💯✅
Yeah i think it would be Notre Dame and..... Virginia.
@@kelvinw.1384 Stanford
All B1G teams need to do is boycott scheduling ND... without us ND's NBC deal would be too low value to stay independent.
not surprised at all, I expected these 2 would be invited
Love this move. Glad to watch Pac 12 incompetence help the Big Ten get bigger! Bigger 10 does sound good, grab UNC and Clemson or and call it the Big 20.
It’ll be Miami and Virginia
Oregon and Oregon state have played since 1894. Hopefully they can work something out.
Penn State and Pitt had an annual rivalry dating back to 1893 that came to an abrupt halt when Penn State joined the B1G in 1993. Since then, they have only been able to arrange two 4-game series--from 1997-2000 and 2016-2019.
Hate to see it
Should the Big Ten reconsider having divisions and division champions?
Yep!
West vs East
yes
USC @ Washington with a B1G Logo on the football field and uniforms instead of a Pac 12 logo will take some getting use to. It simply comes down to money 💰 and certainly USC, UCLA, OREGON AND WASHINGTON deserve the B1G CONFERENCE. WHY NOT SEE OHIO STATE VS. WASHINGTON OR MICHIGAN VS USC MORE FREQUENTLY AND SO ON. Best of luck to USC, UCLA, OREGON AND WASHINGTON IN THE B1G CONFERENCE IN 2024!
Clemson, Miami, Florida State, Virginia, North Carolina, ND, Cal, Stanford to the BigTen.
Besides sports, academically the big 10 adds two AAU member and boosts total up to 17 with only Nebraska being left off the AAU members list, compare that with ACC who has 7 including Notre Dame, SEC 5, Big 12 4 (all new this year)
Kansas is AAU
Bro no one cares about AAU except conferences that have decided it matters. 😂
Might even hurt recruiting. Look at Brian Kelly at ND. Now look at him at LSU. See the difference? 😂
@@firghteningtruth7173notre dame is not AAU
@@firghteningtruth7173True especially the schools in the south full of idiots getting accepted with 3.0 gpa’s 😂
I find it interesting how the Big 10 cares so much about AAU schools (maybe because research grants eclipse athletics revenue by a lot), but it’s also why I suspected that it might invite Cal and Stanford; those two schools also have really strong athletics in general, just not so much in football
Oregon's phrase to Washington is "We don't like them, they hate us"😂😂😂😂😂
We did this for you Trojans. So that travel would not be as bad and you have neighboring partners. I hope the Big 12 saves Cal, Oregon State, washington State and Stanford now.
Also the Big Ten will never change its name. There are too many traditionalist and alumni that would burn things down. They will keep the name but use BIG or b2G as the branding but it will always be the Big Ten until it dies.
I agree. Since 1993, the B1G or Big11ten before that show, Big10 is a brand name, not to be taken literally.
Consider also, affiliates such as the University of Chicago, John's Hopkins, Notre Dame as a Hockey member.
Football aside, this is an academic heavyweight, and there's way more money in that.
B1G didn't do it for us. We would've preferred adding our other two in-state colleagues instead (Stanford, Berkeley).
I wonder how this will impact the 2024 schedule, which was already released. They will obviously scrap that now. How many "locks" does each team get now (it was going to be 3)? And what will they be?
The math before was 3 locks + 6 rotaters + 3 OOC = 12 games each season; that gave every team a game against every team every 2 years.
Now it might be 3 locks + 7 rotaters + 2 OOC = 12 games each season with similar results
Or do you go with 5 locks + 4 rotaters + 3 OOC = 12 games; play every team every 3 years?
Yes the planners will be locked in to figure out the Rubix Cube
@@bmlong137 No, it wasn't. The number of protected rivalries varied from team to team. I believe that 3 was the most. But Penn State had ZERO, and the others had 1 or 2.
@@bmlong137 1 rival, 8 rotaters. plus 3 OOC
@@bmlong137Going to a 10 game conference schedule essentially eliminates any marquee non-conference matchups. If a school does a home-and-home series for a non-conference matchup with 10 conference games, that will mean that one of those two years they will only have 6 home games instead of their typical 7. Iowa specifically will resist this change because they have a priority of maintaining a 7 home game schedule every year and they also want to keep the annual Iowa State rivalry. The same could be true for Oregon-Oregon State and Washington-Washington State now.
Especially for the schools in the smaller college towns (ie Iowa City, Eugene) losing that 7th home game every other year would have a significant impact on the local economy of the city. Many small businesses make a lot their annual revenue during those 7 weekends each fall.
Notre Dame is our last piece of the puzzle for the Big Ten.
Stanford - you can join with ND. Get on the phone!
Notre Dame and Stanford would be huge
@@NIKE-cf3xl they should add Cal/Stanford and when ND is ready kick Cal out the door.
When the big 3 decide to form their own division, then ND will join. Once ACC implodes I could see 3-24 team conferences and it will be a closed shop.
Think about recruiting too. Years ago my nephews were on a San Diego HS football team that had a top tier recruit, and he was looking at some Big 10 schools, but in the end, he didn't like the idea that if he came here, none of his friends and family were likely to ever be able to come to any of his games. Now, a kid from the west coast who comes to the Midwest can be sure of at least some games out there every year.
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They won't be now - that's why adding these schools will help. I doubt that these western schools will get sent to Rutgers or Maryland often, but the flight to the Midwest is not much farther than a lot of the flights within the PAC 12. For example the flight from USC to Washington is only about 1 1/2 to 2 hours shorter than the flight to Michigan State.
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Sure they can - these schools charter jets, they don't fly commercial. There are no direct flights from Lansing, MI to any Big 10 towns except Minneapolis and Chicago, but there are airports in all of them.
I actually got to fly on the team plane (basketball) once because my wife's uncle was a friend and assistant of Tom Izzo. When some booster had to cancel last minute, Gary asked if he could invite my wife and I to come on the trip to Penn State and then I got a call saying that if we could be at the airport within an hour, we could make the trip. I forget the airport we landed at but it wasn't too far from campus, and my wife and I got the full booster treatment.
The hardest part about this will be the UW vs. UW, and officially having to decide who has the rights to UDub.
One of them will be tUW now, lol.
If you google "UW Football" its pretty obvious who comes up. 😉
The bus tour has taken on a entirely new scope now, logistics will be critical.
It’s really silly when every analyst says that long travel is being “alleviated” by adding two more west coast schools. You can’t play a team (depending on the sport) more twice in a season. Also, it’s not a short flight from LA to Seattle. It’s 2 1/2 hours. I think the reality is that non revenue producing sports are going to have a rude awakening in the future. They will likely go to regional conferences with Football and basketball staying super conferences
Went from pac 12 to pacing up for good
Man EA going to be reworking these fields and unis for all of these switches next year lol 2024 is going to be the BIGGEST YEAR OF COLLEGE FOOTBALL in history! The DEBUT of 3 SUPER CONFERENCES and the RETURN of NCAA FOOTBALL!
Everyone just focuses on football and that is fine. But this gives great opportunities for Al sports. Women’s tennis and swimming and gymnastics. It is all fantastic.
Heck might as well add Stanford and Cal they won’t add value as far as television but would save member schools many millions of dollars in travel costs.
I like, their fan bases aren't the best, but they are in the #9 TV market and academically they are two of the best in the country, for whatever that's worth these days
No to cal. They dilute the product and would get usc and ucla upset all over again. Stanford will eventually join
Do you guys realize that all the current Big 10 baseball, softball, golf and track teams travel to either the west coast or deep south for the first 5-6 weeks of their seasons already? As a further example Michigan plays W soccer at USC and Pepperdine this year. Last year W tennis played at Tempe, Seattle, San Francisco and Berkeley. M tennis played at Tempe, San Diego twice, Seattle, and LaJolla and USC traveled to Ann Arbor twice . The point is that travel to the west coast is nothing new for most Big 10 teams. Granted in the past the west coast teams traveling to the Midwest wasn't nearly as common.
Great point!
Will TX OK - FLIP???
who's next? Cal? Stanford? FSU? Clemson? North Carolina?
Virginia and Miami. Conference retraction of Purdue and northwestern. Then Stanford and notre dame
SEC who? LOL. And I'm a Penn State fan and grad. Edit: I think this has something to do with going with 8 playoff teams in a year or two.
They aren't going to 8 games. The new playoff format starts after next ('24) season, and it is a 12-team playoff.
@@jonpalmer450 Right. My mistake.
@@gtd637 This is what I think now. I don't like it. Pretty soon college will be only 2 or 3 Conferences. Most likely 2. BIG10 (AFC) and the SEC (NFC). It will be like the NFL. This started with NIL, just like the NFL. It's not good enough for a college football player to get an excellent education. Now they need millions of dollars as well. This is the death of College football as we know it for the past 100 years. NFL teams travel all the time. Players won't care. What's happening now is the death of college traditions, rivalries, and pride. All for money. It actually makes me sad.
Gimme Clemson and North Carolina now
Virginia and Miami much more likely
This is stupid.
What's the point of conferences eith this many teams
Money
After being bombarded with sad posts and people going on furious rants live on the news, watching this here in LA seems like a whole other world 😂. As a Trojan fan, this last season of the current pac 12, none of us can stand the sight of each other right now... Welcome to the big ten Washington.... Oregon, nothing needs to be said 🙄
And the point is!🤔
Very classy!
@@richardcelino9173 I was trying to figure that out also 🤔
If we can get FSU and Clemson we can call it the BIG20, Grand20 or Mega20 conference
Not fsu and Clemson. It’ll be Virginia and Miami. And still the big ten with all the nicknames. Like currently the big teen
Regarding flights to Portland there will be flights from Chicago if there aren’t already.
I hope with the additions, there is a 1-8 model. 1 protected opponent, 8 home and away alternates. Final regular season games...
Ohio state vs TTUN
PSU vs Mich st
Maryland vs Rutgers
Indiana vs Purdue
Northwestern vs Illinois
Minnesota vs Wisc
Iowa vs Neb
Oregon vs Wash
USC vs UCLA
Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Iowa all want to play each other. Not to mention, we would miss out on Michigan vs Michigan State.
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It definitely needs looked at, there are a lot of new things to consider. My point is, I want to see more match ups, unlike some 8 game model conferences out there, while also giving every team, that "final battle."
I think the B10 will have either 3 or 5 yearly opponents (some permanent and some 2 years at a time) then play half of the rest of the conference every other year, 2 year cycles. My guess is 9 conference games.
The Chicago Bears need to build a domed stadium and build a entertainment district in Arlington Heights to have the Big 10 Football Championship game in a central location outside of Indianapolis.
Since we now LA and the Rose Bowl, the Big Ten championship game may be moved there. I mean it is only fitting.
The historic Rose Bowl would make a great Championship location. The weather is terrific that time of year, plus it continues the great tradition for those teams coming in from the PAC with the current B1G members.
Minneapolis, Detroit and Indy all have domes. Adding the Rose Bowl offers more options so I could see the B10 definitely rotate the site now.
Las Vegas, as well as for the Big 10 Championship game.
At least we can schedule the 4 and now we have an all Big 10 Schedule.. not so cupcake now is it
so the rose bowl game?