I never cried at pro wrestling before
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Somehow, Sean Durkin's 2023 wrestling epic The Iron Claw (Zac Efron, Jeremy Allen White, Harris Dickinson, Lily James) failed to receive just one nomination at The Golden Globes or the Academy Awards. Some people think this is a mistake -- what did you think of the film?
In this review and summary of the film, I discuss its merits and shortcomings. Please subscribe if that sounds like the kind of thing you're interested in (movies, not pro wrestling. At least until The Iron Claw 2 comes out).
the fact that they had to leave out fritz's brain cancer and the entirety of Chris just tells you how heartbreaking this story really is
They didn't show the oldest brother dying either, poor lad was electrocuted and drowned in a puddle at age 3.
I may be misremembering this, I don't really want to go and read up on it tbh.
The only thing you got wrong is that the kid was 6 not 3@@All_Hail_Chael
@@All_Hail_Chaelthey mentioned his death but they didn’t mention the youngest brother who died similar to kerry
“Hearthrob turned science experiment” is the only way to describe Zac Efron now 😂
The harsh truth of Professional Wrestling is just how cosmically hard it is to get on the road to even having a shot at becoming World Heavyweight Champion. If Pro Wrestling was a sheerly competitive sport it would only resort to physicality, but it's not. It's performative physicality, like being a stuntman, or daredevil. You have to be charismatic (be it as Heel or Face) the crowd has to like your character, or like how much they hate your character, and that's not just physicality or in-ring gimmicks, you have to be good at cutting a promo, meaning how well you can talk up and promote an upcoming match (something Kevin and Mike always struggled with, whereas David and Kerry were naturally gifted with). Then aside from making the crowds love you AND being good at working the ring, you also have to play the game behind the scenes with promoters and storyline writers. The Von Erich family had so much talent, but also so much ungodly bad luck. As a Texan and a pro wrestling fan it's beyond heartbreaking. The only good to come of it is the current success of Marshall and Ross Von Erich (Kevin's sons) and the minor success and eventual retirement of Lacey Von Erich (Kerry's Daughter), as well as this film which tells the story (albeit somewhat fictionalized) of this family's tragedy to shed some light on them.
As an older brother this movie hit me hard. For the first time in years I cried my eyes out towards the end of the film. “You must be my oldest brother.”, “Don’t worry dad we’ll be your brothers.” Those lines broke me
As an older sister of 3 half sisters and very protective. Blood is thicker than water
As a grown man of 34, only several movies over the years have ever brought a tear to my eye. This movie.... made me damn near ugly cry with that scene at the end where Kerry meets the "oldest" brother. I just couldn't control my emotions at that point. Great movie! Best one I've seen in a LOOOOOONG time!
same here, and I didn't even hide it :))))) I loved this movie.
Bro why you crying 🤣
@@SpaceAce1993 because of the movie, man, it pushed my buttons ! :))) my eyes were wet, I swear.
Alright imma watch it today and let y’all know what I though
@@SpaceAce1993 you do that, brother, and remember, don't hold them in. :)))
The Iron Claw film was during the era of World Class Championship Wrestling. This was the territory of Fritz Von Erich and his sons. This was the era of Harley Race, Ric Flair, Bruiser Brody, Jerry Lawler, The Great Kabuki, Kamala, Tommy Rich, The Missing Link and The Fabulous Freebirds. Rest in Peace Texas Tornado. The Iron Claw film shows the hardships and tragedies of the Von Erich family. The film needed two more music montages in the first 45 minutes of the movie since the story dragged at the beginning, but it then picked up for the rest of the film. The only acting weak link in the film came from the actor who portrayed Ric Flair who was atrocious in the role. The next pro wrestling family that deserves a film is the Hart family from Canada. After all, Bret Hart has endured emotional heartbreak from losing those closest around him like Brian Pillman, The British Bulldog Davey Boy Smith, Jim Neidhart, his brother Owen Hart and very good friends like Rick Rude and Mr. Perfect. Bret was also screwed out of the World Title, went through a bad divorce and was retired by a bad kick from Bill Goldberg.
This is during the era of World Class Championship Wrestling. This is the territory of Fritz Von Erich and his sons. This is the era of Harley Race, Ric Flair, Bruiser Brody, Jerry Lawler, Kamala, The Missing Link and The Fabulous Freebirds. Rest in Peace Texas Tornado. The Iron Claw film shows the hardships and tragedies of the Von Erich family.
A Bret Hart movie would be amazing. I think a story that focused on Brets loyalty to the WWF/WWE, and specifically Vince, and Vince not honoring the payments he was supposed to make to Bret's father for the acquisition of Stampede Wrestling, later on contributing to Owen Hart's death, and orchestrating the screwjob on Bret, it would make for an amazing story of a man who tried to be a loyal, hardworker, and was betrayed for it.
@@drewburke6371 It would also get to cover other things like his classic feuds with Bad News Brown, The British Bulldogs, Roddy Piper, Mr. Perfect, Stone Cold and Shawn Michaels.
Bret Hart retired because of Goldberg? Surprised he never talks about it 😂
@@BlueCollar839im sure if he ever talks about it he would be throwing sh*t to goldberg
@@BlueCollar839 He talks about it in several interviews. Goldberg hit him with a superkick in the head so hard it made Goldberg stumble and limp on his ankle for a few steps. The Superkick caused a massive concussion that lead to a stroke that ended Brets time in the ring. He could barely walk from the stroke and then had another one pretty soon after if I remember right.
Zac Efron deserves more respect. He could have gone the "teen idol" route and just coasted on his looks but instead he takes challenging, diverse roles to push the boundaries of the audience's expectation of him. Sure, there's a Baywatch here and there to pay the bills, but he has shown more range than most people expected of him in drama and comedy. He's not quite DiCaprio or Pattinson, but he sure isn't Van Dien or Lautner either.
Baywatch is sorely underrated! I watched it on the airplane just to kill some times and found it laugh out loud funny.
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Dude he's old now, he couldn't do it even if he wanted to.
@@brunoactis1104 He's too old for teen heart throb but there's no shortage of pretty boys at any age. Dude.
I wasn't expecting much out of Iron Claw, but Effrons acting, not to mention the shape he got himself in, was impressive
My father lost quite a number of his family members recently, and most of them were his brothers. All I can say is that this movie really put me in his shoes and it actually broke me to tears.
The same here.
First wrestling death i dealt with was Eddies, i was super young and didnt really understand but i remember watching my older brother (kid at the time) cry so much, it stuck with me
Love this freaking movie! I'm 62 and watch them ! Love them and makes me sad ! The dad was such and ass whole! Playing mind games with them! Love the von Erik brothers! ❤
I thought the dad had a great performance!
Shame it got snubbed Oscar season.. hoping A24 continues with this take on professional wrestling … best movie I’ve seen in a while
Oscars are P3d0wood's self love fest. Better off away from that.
I don’t think it made the mark to be considered I think maybe next year they will be
Really enjoyed it, despite the sadness
Gotta say the guy who played flair was perfect
Never cried at Pro Wrestling- Well, someone has never seen Shawn Michael super-kick Ric Flair into retirement. 😢
Yeah, I can tell you aren't a wrestling fan💀
Wrestling is for children
@@NASkeywestwatch the attitude era
@@NASkeywestit’s an art/sport, that is def not for children, cutthroat job & entertainment as much as TV
@@NASkeywest I can assure you it’s not
@@NASkeywestnah
algorithim really likes ur vid man congrats
The iron claw deserves so much love and despite its heartbreaking story its end on a powerful message about family and breaking generational traumas.
Beautiful movie.
tht ending BROKE me
I think everyone should watch the episode on the Von Erich’s from Dark Side of the Ring. It definitely goes more into the real details that the movie couldn’t add or changed. Kevin gives more insights to what happened with his brothers and everything
The brothers reuniting after Kerry's death scene had me bawling.
Jeff Hardy winning the wwe championship is also a moment to make one cry after all he went through in real life in 2008
damn only 73 subs. Looking forward to see you grow, great stuff brother keep it up.
thank you!
The director asked Kevin if he would like any input in the film. Kevin told him "I just want you to let everyone that i loved my brothers."
This movie hit twice as hard for me because I relate to Mikey and Kevin because I'm in the shadow of both my father at work and my sisters in life but man, I'm still eternally grateful that I have all of my immediate family still
Thank you. I always love hearing about how movies have affected people. I'm glad that you got so much out of it!
They even left one of the brothers completely out o the movie because they thought that as much tragedy as that family went through was just too much.
Yeah the director of the film even said that was like one of the hardest things he had to do in making the film was cut out Chris Von Erich’s part.
Im happy to see the Iron Claw videos are starting to come out now! This movie was my favorite of 2023 and Im happy its getting the love it deserves, we need more movies like this!
It was definitely a strong film! I think the National Board of Review named it one of its top films last year. Excited to see new and not-so-new faces getting a career bump.
@@josephmwills Thank you for this. I’m definitely going to watch it now. As a wrestling fan it was a maybe but as a lover of film, it’s a definite yes.
Don't Sweat It Friend I'm Not a Nintendo Fan but I still saw Super Mario Bros. (2023) I saw the 1993 original on TV during the early 2000's and was kinda baffled why the world biggest Video Game IP looks like Blade Runner so I understand and I thought the Animated film was a perfect retelling of gaming franchise
My only complaint is that none of the actors look like the Von Erich brothers...and they're not big enough. Zac Efron is 5'8 and Kevin Von Erich is 6'3 222lbs. Jeremy Allen White is 5'7 while Kerry Von Erich was 6'2 255lbs.
Great essay. One detail I'd clarify is that the Von Erichs aren't really the undisputed greatest family in pro wrestling. The Harts, the Funks, the Windham-Rotundas, and of course the Anoa'i family all saw more longevity and success in the business to name a few. All of those families have stories of tragic loss, early deaths (Owen Hart, Bray Wyatt, Dynamite Kid, Davey Boy Smith, Yokozuna, Umaga), and promising careers ending early (Bret Hart, Tyson Kidd) but in that regard none of them match the Von Erichs. Part of the Von Erichs' tragedy is that they had the potential to become the greatest family in pro wrestling history but never quite did.
Thank you for the feedback!
@josephmwills Glad you found a meaningful touchpoint to engage with Wrestling! It's a tragically underrated sport/art.
Id say the Rhodes family is pretty much there too
@MilkyWayGrump yeah, I was going to list them, but thought I was already getting a little long-winded haha
Greatest is subjective. Id say the harts are the only other ones where they all fall in a single generation.
I cried when they had the Eddie Guerrero tribute, I cried for the undertakers streak being broken... ect. Ect.
I’m a wrestling fan and I’m from Dallas so this story hits home for me
Kinda off topic but I'm so glad you said the full blood is thicker than water quote.
thank you! To me that quote is representative of the entire film.
The actor playing Flair was also my only issue, then oddly he seemed to nail Flair when he talks to them backstage and chugs a beer oddly just outta frame…. Did Flair hide his accent on tv before the 90s/on WCCW?
i watched professional wrestling as a kid. around 04-07. watched iron claw and that rekindled my interest in wrestling and now as an adult i'm watching it again
Welcome back
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better than the mainstream
This movie has the best heaven/after life part I have ever seen. It's fantastic.
I absolutely love wrestling and this movie. Subscribed.
I went knowing very literally about the von erichs outside everyone dying
Brilliant acting
I loved this movie, what an amazing video this is!
Thank you so much!
Just finished it. Good film. I'd watch again.
Fritz wins the worst father of the year award.
Vince has entered chat
I agree. Never watched wrestling but this is an excellent movie
This is an incredibly insightful commentary. I think you have a bright future on TH-cam.
Thank you so much!
This was a great movie
as a wrestling fan i still need to watch this movie
I see some people in the comments giving you crap for discussing this movie without first being a pro-wrestling fan, and I'll just say, as someone who IS a wrestling fan, you did a good job at codifying and contextualizing your thoughts and feelings on the movie.
I knew someone who was pilot, and anytime a movie depicted someone landing an airplane, he'd base his whole opinion on that movie solely on how accurately they depicted the piloting of the plane, regardless of how good or bad the rest of the movie was.
It doesn't matter how succinctly you discussed this movie, there's going to be wrestling fans who are going to nitpick all the details of their special interest.
I am a wrestling fan.So how am I supposed to like this movie? No Chris.
0:30 unquestionably the most famous families in pro wrestling? I have one word for you Mcmahon.
Never say never. I havnt watched this one yet but.. If u got peacock watch Becoming immortal the new Bray Wyatt documentary... The last 30min was a bit rough😭
I'll check it out!
Kerry was always my favorite wrestler
They are the most famous wrestling family ? Wow your faded
This movie made me cry more than I'm proud of mentioning. Only other movie to make me do so was the end of Armageddon by Michael Bay. Tbh both movies, and Amsterdam to a lesser extent have scenes in the end that really hit ya in the feels.
I just thought it was weird how small Kerry was and how absolutely blown up Kevin was.
4:08 A love story. NO.
Kevin Von Erich after having seen the movie said that the one thing, he didn't like about it was the portrayal of his father Fritz. Kevin calls his father a loving and honorable man, and he blames the injuries and substance abuse for the death of most of his brothers. With the exception of David who died of an illness and his older brother Jack who had died due to accidental electrocution and drowning.
Kevin understands that this is a film, and it needed an antagonist, but his father Fritz was not as bad as the film made him out to be.
Fritz was arguably worse than what was portrayed here. Kevin doesn’t want to focus on the bad, which is his right, but Fritz was a bad guy.
Fritz also once pulled a gun on Kevin and told him that he "Didn't have the guts to die like his brothers did"
I think Kevin comes from an olden mindset that makes it not want to talk bad about his father. Honestly the movie could've antagonized Fritz more.
@@drewburke6371Fritz had terminal cancer at the time that he pulled the gun on Kevin. The cancer had spread to his brain, and he had been acting out and was delusional. Kevin talking about that day said that he could see his father considering what to do and in Kevin's mind he was saying "I'm not letting his cancer decide my life," and ran out of the house before Fritz did anything else. Kevin says that his father would've never had done that if not for the cancer.
Listen we all don't know what was going on in that house or that family. I do believe that Kevin would have every right to hate/blame his father for what happened to his brothers and probably would if he believed that was the case. He is either a very forgiving person, or he truly doesn't blame his father for what happened.
@@stonecoldku4161 I wasn't aware of the brain cancer part, thank you for enlightening me.
But with that said, Fritz Von Erich still took money that should've went to his sons, would remind them of who was and wasn't his favorite, making them compete for his favoritism, and would use the deaths of his wrestlers for storylines.
Maybe two of his son's deaths can be contributed to accidents, but I don't think you have 3 of your 6 son's commit suicide, and you as a parent not be the common denominator. I'm not convinced Fritz was a good person.
Sorry that mantle of most famous wrestling family has to be the Hart family!
If people knew the Anoai'is were Anoai'is it would be them
Yeah nobody knew this family until TH-cam videos talked about their tragedies.
Fantastic film!
These comments…
There are lot of tragedies in wrestling and this is one of the the more grim ones. I've heard rumors that they might do another movie like this about Eddie Guerrero's life and death, and if they do, that is also gonna be a tough watch.
Amazing film ! Pulled the on the heart strings 10/10
"more or less professional wrestles"
what's that supposed to mean? they were professional wrestlers.
Which is why I said "more or less".
As someone who knew the story, there was something too "Hollywood" about this movie. Its never really connected with me. The big reason is probably because i have seen the Dark Side of the Ring doc on it, and that is one of the best documentaries ive ever seen. If this story touched you i highly recommend watching that, and while you're at it watch their episodes on Chris Benoit and Owen Hart. Theres some amazing stories in the ring, but if that aint for you theres some very gripping ones outside of it.
The movie was great but, the person who played Ric Flair was terrible.
He kinda nailed it 😂 but I feel you
If the theater wasn’t full of people, I would have been weeping. Such a tragic story, Love my brothers.
Too unrealistic as a professional wrestling fan I can't forget that therel left out Chris.
Saddest thing I ever heard concerning this family came from The Dark Side of the Ring on the Von Erich family and it came from Kevin Von Erich himself when he talked abut once having brothers now he has none.
0:32 "Who are, unquestionably, the most famous family in pro wrestling" That isn't even slightly correct. They may be the most famous wrestling family in Texas, Denton specifically, but not in all of wrestling
I was Dad's nurse at one time.
Im confused when you said 2 of the brothers were omitted because yes Chris was but they do show and talk about Jack Jr. So I hope you're not thinking of Lance Von Erich who was a wrestler by the name of Ricky Vaughn who Fritz Von Erich asled to play a Von Erich after David's death.
there are two reasons I said that: a) I felt like Jack Jr. was in it for a short enough amount of time to say he was "omitted". His life was not actually explored. b) I felt it would be a spoiler for people who hadn't seen the movie.
please watch super eyepatch wolf's videos on professional wrestling
Even knowing what's coming, that shit was rough.
i deadass tried as hard as i could to keep it together in that theatre
next lets have a ric flair movie. with all the sad stuff in it hes a dirtbag but thats what it takes to be at the level he was.
You ARE a fan, especially if you were entertained by something as bare bones as this. You’d love the Hart Family’s matches/real life stories
This was one of the worst movies I've ever seen in my life.
watch the actual Von Erichs matches, the movie capture only a fraction of the intensity and electricity those guys produced
The Von Erich’s were not the most famous family in wrestling, the Harts are and always will be
Dude the von erich are a legendary family and iconic just like the harts more importantly both families endured great tragedies so show respect
@@zemox2534 never said anything disrespectful, just saying I watched WWF since it’s inception and only knew of one Von Erich’s, while everyone knew all the Hart’s including the inlaws
@@jtom68Samoan dynasty is probs more famous than them aswell
No bro its the dustin bloodline
As a dude who’s lost a brother I watched this movie without knowing what is was about, bad idea
Guardians of the Galaxy 2 was similar for me.
I grew up watching pro wrestling throughout the 80's and 90's and loved the Von Erich's. I enjoyed the movie very much, but the 2 hour 10 min runtime doesn't do their story justice. I feel their story would've worked better as a limited series.
They didn’t talk about Chris
I think that's a valid criticism and certainly from a historical perspective it's really unfortunate, even if it felt dramatically necessary for the filmmakers to omit him.
This movie made me realize what’s important in life. My god, it made me fucking cry
Great movie
Yup. That suicide and river Styx scene was a gut punch I couldn't manage.
Shit happens
I want a hart family wrestling movie now. And I hope they don’t leave out Stu hart and his dungeon torture scenes!
the thing is this would be a great Netflix show then a movie. the father seen his dad delete himself that's why his very unemotional, Kevin is the stable old school family men who loves his family and the only reason he didn't delete himself is because of he was thinking about his mom , dad , wife and kids. David was a smart person who traveled different wrestling territories to understand the business better , Mike was a film and music person and was helping in producing music video style videos for tv , kerry was an Olympian turn wrestler , Chris Von Erich who's not in the film was a true fan of wrestling and wanted to be a wrestler his entire life. i'm writing all of this because every brother had a interesting life and deserves a spotlight as well. this movie was great but it would be better if it was an 6 to 9 episode show. and one more thing they really lighten up this movie because the tragedy is much much graphic. one line that stick to me that has been said by kevin is "i use to have 4 brothers now i'm not even a brother"
When it showed kerry on the bike, then in the kitchen missing his leg
And then later, I knew what happened to him, but that was visceral, but i didnt break down until the end when they were reunited with the younger brother
I thought the cut from bike -> kitchen was a little on the nose, and honestly the farther I've gotten away from the movie the more I think the afterlife sequence might not totally work. For me personally, the saddest moment was at the end when his kids tell him they will be his brothers.
@@josephmwills I figured they cut suddenly like that for a reason, going from the motorcycle to when he's walking around the kitchen and then you see his leg, wouldn't have been as powerful if they'd gradually faded into it
great content, keep making videos!! need more shit like thus!!
Thank you! I will!
Greatest and saddest movie I’ve ever seen I’m glad it was half and half and not mixed with happiness and sadness I don’t think I could have handled it
Just watched this, that last scene, damn that got me in the feels!
Most famous wrestling family is wild 😂
That's because you didn't watch "The Wrestler". This is mild in comparison.
First film to make me cry, not shed a tear, cry in the cinema. Can’t imagine what Kevin went through. If you have a brother or brothers it’ll hit you
The last scene was devastating
The real story of the von erich family is so tragic....
This some good content and narrating!
Maybe it's time to start.
This movie was so good
You’re definitely jealous of Zac 1:16 😬 His acting was phenomenal!
You saying that definitely says more about you than me. Did I offend you by... teasing a millionaire?
I cry all the time
Great video. Keep it up
you should 100,000 subs!!
Zac Efron as Kevin. Omg that's awesome 😭
And J.A.W. as Kevin 😭
Great video! Concise and well explained