@@DruBee333 agree, but they need the feature of adding arbitrary points to a path first, right now it seems to only follow ways. A GPX would be useless because it rarely follows the path exactly.
Thanks for the video! There are a few things here I haven't seen reported anywhere else. The all-day training load feature is really interesting! It might end up being a good surrogate for something like Garmin's stress score.
Now they need to add the ability to edit treadmill distances post workout! Excited for watchOS 11 to release. I have thought about getting the beta, but I may wait because I hear the battery drain has been a little rough.
Downloaded the public beta on my watch yesterday, battery life seems mostly unchanged. But the battery life with iOS 18 on my iPhone is really bad. And that’s with a 13 Pro Max that’s not even a year old (Apple Watch Ultra 2 is about half a year).
@@frankg7412 interesting, maybe I will give the beta a try then. iOS 18 has been great on my 14 pro max unlike iOS 17’s battery drain last year. And I have an Apple Watch Ultra 1, so hopefully I don’t notice any effect in the battery
The significant feature for me, which many reviewers have largely overlooked, is the double-tap to scroll through pages during a workout. Using a touch screen with gloves or sweaty hands is impossible, and I’m not a fan of the scroll wheel. Previously, the double-tap enabled scroll was only possible when paused, but with the most recent version, it works while moving.
Thank you for this video! I went back to Apple Watch for business reasons, and have been missing a lot of these metrics from my Garmin. I’m currently downloading the beta.
Very interesting updates, particularly with the mapping. It’s much harder with garmin to sync stuff to the watch, and that’s one of the reasons I might switch. Bottom line is Apple seems to progress more quickly than garmin. I see the gaps on gpx etc, but wouldn’t be surprised if they fix that fairly soon.
Garmin has gotten a lot better with routes. You can design a route in a very similar way in Garmin Connect and simply tap "send to device" and you'll have it on your watch moments later!
Considering switching from Garmin to Apple this year. Use my edge computer for all my serious training and think I can let go of body battery etc now that Apple seems to have a decent alternative. The training load from Apple I like a lot! With Garmin I only really get kudos from intervals.
I'm still waiting for a quick toggle for always on display. They gave us volume toggle 😒. Also a full red, low light interface would be great not just the home screen. Thanks for the insight.
This was a great video. I’ve always had Apple Watches and recently switched to Garmin and it’s being great but I still miss some of the Apple Watch Ultra features. Will download new update and give it a try again…
No doubt Apple has come a very long way with their sport features on the Apple Watch. In the end I suppose it is really just down to personal preferences, and budget, when it comes to choosing your next sports watch. For me though I will stick with my Garmin Fenix 7 Pro, which does absolutely everything I need it to do, and an awful lot more than that too.
As a Garmin user who doesn't run, the training load is very interesting as it might be more helpful to strength training than Connect. Sucks that Vitals seems to only work with AW, though.
Great video. So, if I were to get a Garmin or Suunto watch would it be easier to just use the iPhone fitness app to track everything vs using the Garmin or Suunto apps?
@@ChaseTheSummitYou don’t need a schedule if you manually start sleep in the do not disturb button, been doing it like that at least since watchOS 10 came out
New route feature looks like a massive improvement - just wish they had suggested route creation like Strava / Garmin for exploring a new area. Also they really should make the maps/navigation view as a workout view in the workout app when running. Just like the heart rate view is.
Thanks for the video Dave! Just downloaded the PB for watchOS 11. Excited for the updates but really would love to see that import/export for route creation. Would be great for sending routes to WOD (my preferred running app), for now I'm using easyroute or Strava.
Good question, I should have mentioned that. I don't understand it either. HRV is arguably one of the best metrics for keeping tabs on your wellness... Apple even collects HRV in the background but for whatever reason decided not to use it here. I suspect because it's a more "advanced" metric and they're trying to make the vitals app appeal to the masses and not super health nerds like us lol.
So they basically killed athlytic, gentle streak, training today and so on, for most people at least. Does look cool though, not gonna lie. Especially the modular ultra bezel with the 2 metrics.
I wouldn't say they killed those apps. Athlytic is more of a Whoop competitor providing insight into your sleep and recovery. The Vitals App just displays the metrics your Apple Watch was already collecting and provides indication if anything looks off but doesn't give you a "recovery score" or any insight on how training is affecting your sleep/health.
Two different things. Training readiness is tracking how ready you are to take on more training judging by sleep, recovery, HRV, Stress. along with your training load. Training Load and Training Status are only considering your activities and ignoring the other factors. They're both useful in different scenarios but I would like to see a "training readiness" competitor on Apple WatchOS natively.
I find it so annoying that Apple uses a circle instead of an arrow as the icon for the maps on the watch. it makes it so much harder to orient myself and know which direction I’m facing. Sometimes the small UI differences can actually be full on dealbreakers.
Question: about vitals app Any information about the wrist temperature information for series 6 and series 7 Since those series doesn’t have temperature sensors What would be it’s user UI interface looks like and does affect your vitals measurements
Basically whatever feature the watch supports will be displayed. For example, new Ultra 2's don't support SPO2 since Apple was sued over it last year and ultimately removed from new devices. In that case, SPO2 simply won't be displayed and there will be no icon for it at all. Same goes for wrist temperature, if the device doesn't support it it simply won't exist within the vitals app.
Training load do not exist if you don’t have apple watch. I have been testing watchos 11 since 1 beta - have huge garmin staff and apple eco, but without apple watch ultra/ultra 2 (sold it months ago). So if you sync data from garmin to apple, but not having AW, there is no training load settings.
Thank you so much for your videos and this one, quick question, for the routes planning and maps, are they just limited to walking, running and hiking or is cycling an option? Thank you.
Works on hiking trails as well! But those trails need to be available in Apple Maps. In my area there’s pretty good coverage. However I can’t find a way to change my “activity” type for the estimated completion time. For example run vs walk… again this is beta and could change!
Maps should be world wide however the more details contour maps with contour lines and detailed trail names are USA only for now but will expand over time.
Can you do manual routes? Like if you create a route where there is no predefined trail does Apple let you do that? Or force you to stick to roads/trails that are in Apple maps
Hey! Thanks for the video!! - happen to know if there is still no way to have health app steps match in activity app? Essentially want my steps from garmin activity to show up on Apple Watch. THANKS
Seems like Apple hasn't got anything to worry about samsung ultra, seen a video on the GPS and it was bad. Only one example though but not a good start. Garmin watxh next for me
It will work anywhere Apple Maps is supported. However, the contour maps and trails will only work in the USA for now until it's expanded to other regions.
With the routes on the watch do you have to open the maps app start the route and then start a run workout? Or is there anyway to start th route and run in the workouts app?
Maps/Navigation are totally separate from the Workout app so you need to sort of switch between apps mid-run to start a navigation or execute a route. Not a huge deal with a double tap of the digital crown but it would be nice if they embedded maps in the workout app or made that an option. Once you're navigating though you will get turn notifications at the top of the screen even if you're in the workout app.
Yup, but you need to jump between the two different apps. However turn notifications will still pop up at the top of the screen regardless and you’ll see that during your workout.
Yesterday I've upgraded to public beta on iphone and watch, set this training mode on ultra 2 modular face, but it just loaded the sleep stuff on the left, the training is saying 1/14 days, but not graphics there on the right. I've made weight lifting for a couple months and it's recorded on activities, a bit confused about that yet... I was expecting that it'd be loaded there as well
Yup, no auto workout creation for races, no re-routing or route creation on the watch and the battery life is garbage in comparison, but it's cool to see Apple trying to match Garmin for features. Perhaps it'll mean that Garmin push a little harder in matching Apple on some of their "smartwatch" features. LTE would be nice.
The battery... well the battery life is still disgustingly bad,to be polite. I can't understand the hype about this watch. Garmin beats it by millions!!!
2 devices, meant for 2 different things. For instance, try making a phone call on a Garmin. Oh, you can’t? Or try text with a Garmin. Still can’t? Apple Watch has a MUCH faster processor for these tasks. If a Garmin could do the same thing, it would have piss poor battery life too
I’m glad Apple is making improvements in regards to routes but still really wanting the ability to import GPX files.
agree!
WorkOutdoors app will import GPX files. Not native, I know. But better than nothing.
@@AGDawsnot the free app, you need to pay for the app
WorkOutDoors is perfect for gpx files yes
@@DruBee333 agree, but they need the feature of adding arbitrary points to a path first, right now it seems to only follow ways. A GPX would be useless because it rarely follows the path exactly.
Thanks for the video! There are a few things here I haven't seen reported anywhere else. The all-day training load feature is really interesting! It might end up being a good surrogate for something like Garmin's stress score.
Now they need to add the ability to edit treadmill distances post workout! Excited for watchOS 11 to release. I have thought about getting the beta, but I may wait because I hear the battery drain has been a little rough.
Downloaded the public beta on my watch yesterday, battery life seems mostly unchanged. But the battery life with iOS 18 on my iPhone is really bad. And that’s with a 13 Pro Max that’s not even a year old (Apple Watch Ultra 2 is about half a year).
@@frankg7412 interesting, maybe I will give the beta a try then. iOS 18 has been great on my 14 pro max unlike iOS 17’s battery drain last year. And I have an Apple Watch Ultra 1, so hopefully I don’t notice any effect in the battery
Battery has been unaffected.
The significant feature for me, which many reviewers have largely overlooked, is the double-tap to scroll through pages during a workout. Using a touch screen with gloves or sweaty hands is impossible, and I’m not a fan of the scroll wheel. Previously, the double-tap enabled scroll was only possible when paused, but with the most recent version, it works while moving.
If they would integrate some sort of map + navigation into the Workout app, I’d be positivity thrilled.
Didn’t realise this ! Game changer thanks 🎉
Thank you for this video! I went back to Apple Watch for business reasons, and have been missing a lot of these metrics from my Garmin. I’m currently downloading the beta.
Very interesting updates, particularly with the mapping. It’s much harder with garmin to sync stuff to the watch, and that’s one of the reasons I might switch. Bottom line is Apple seems to progress more quickly than garmin. I see the gaps on gpx etc, but wouldn’t be surprised if they fix that fairly soon.
Garmin has gotten a lot better with routes. You can design a route in a very similar way in Garmin Connect and simply tap "send to device" and you'll have it on your watch moments later!
Considering switching from Garmin to Apple this year. Use my edge computer for all my serious training and think I can let go of body battery etc now that Apple seems to have a decent alternative.
The training load from Apple I like a lot! With Garmin I only really get kudos from intervals.
I really wish they’d give us an option to end activities with a button push instead of having to use the touch screen!
I have the ultra 1, just downloaded, looks like the new fitness items will be great.
Really great updates! I don’t think I will download the public beta, I do rely on my phone and watch so I will wait for the official release.
I'm still waiting for a quick toggle for always on display. They gave us volume toggle 😒. Also a full red, low light interface would be great not just the home screen. Thanks for the insight.
This was a great video. I’ve always had Apple Watches and recently switched to Garmin and it’s being great but I still miss some of the Apple Watch Ultra features. Will download new update and give it a try again…
No doubt Apple has come a very long way with their sport features on the Apple Watch. In the end I suppose it is really just down to personal preferences, and budget, when it comes to choosing your next sports watch. For me though I will stick with my Garmin Fenix 7 Pro, which does absolutely everything I need it to do, and an awful lot more than that too.
As a Garmin user who doesn't run, the training load is very interesting as it might be more helpful to strength training than Connect. Sucks that Vitals seems to only work with AW, though.
Great video. So, if I were to get a Garmin or Suunto watch would it be easier to just use the iPhone fitness app to track everything vs using the Garmin or Suunto apps?
Thanks for the video and explanation.
Did you test sleep tracking without using a sleep schedule? Will Apple automatically track sleep outside of using sleep focus?
You need to have a schedule set up for sleep tracking to work. Strange quirk of apple sleep metrics.
@@ChaseTheSummitYou don’t need a schedule if you manually start sleep in the do not disturb button, been doing it like that at least since watchOS 10 came out
New route feature looks like a massive improvement - just wish they had suggested route creation like Strava / Garmin for exploring a new area. Also they really should make the maps/navigation view as a workout view in the workout app when running. Just like the heart rate view is.
I have an Apple watch ultra 2 I will not download the beta you did a great job explaining.
Awesome overview. Nice to have route functionality. When creating custom route does Apple Maps show local trails?
Yes! It does display trails but only in certain areas. Custom routes and turn by turn still works on trails though which is super cool!
Screen mirroring with my Mac, wonder if it will get easier to program intervals then doing it on my phone 📱🤷🏻♂️
Thanks for the review! I have to say that it's a bit "interesting" that you're making a review for AW, while wearing a Garmin one! 🙂
I test/review all brands!
Thanks for the video Dave! Just downloaded the PB for watchOS 11. Excited for the updates but really would love to see that import/export for route creation. Would be great for sending routes to WOD (my preferred running app), for now I'm using easyroute or Strava.
Love seeing The Fells as your map, must be doing some skyline laps like the tarc winter classic ;)
I run the winter classic every year! TARC is the best!
What about HRV in the Vitals app? Why are they not using it?
Good question, I should have mentioned that. I don't understand it either. HRV is arguably one of the best metrics for keeping tabs on your wellness... Apple even collects HRV in the background but for whatever reason decided not to use it here. I suspect because it's a more "advanced" metric and they're trying to make the vitals app appeal to the masses and not super health nerds like us lol.
Is the route creation for whole world or US only? There were some topo map features which were only in US. 🤔
I could not use the custom route feature, when trying to create a route I get a popup message that custom routes are not available in my region
Are we really not going to talk about the 71 unread text messages?
I’m a busy man 😂
So they basically killed athlytic, gentle streak, training today and so on, for most people at least.
Does look cool though, not gonna lie. Especially the modular ultra bezel with the 2 metrics.
I wouldn't say they killed those apps. Athlytic is more of a Whoop competitor providing insight into your sleep and recovery. The Vitals App just displays the metrics your Apple Watch was already collecting and provides indication if anything looks off but doesn't give you a "recovery score" or any insight on how training is affecting your sleep/health.
Just downloaded all the Beta things, from what I can tell you can't use routes with a workout? This seems like a big miss....am I wrong?
I'd rather have a readiness score than a training load. I don't need a metric tell me that I'm above or below what I usually do
Two different things. Training readiness is tracking how ready you are to take on more training judging by sleep, recovery, HRV, Stress. along with your training load. Training Load and Training Status are only considering your activities and ignoring the other factors. They're both useful in different scenarios but I would like to see a "training readiness" competitor on Apple WatchOS natively.
I find it so annoying that Apple uses a circle instead of an arrow as the icon for the maps on the watch. it makes it so much harder to orient myself and know which direction I’m facing. Sometimes the small UI differences can actually be full on dealbreakers.
Do you think the public beta is pretty stable to use already? Debating on doing the beta or waiting
@@Rannd it’s been pretty stable for me but there’s always a risk
what of those features won't be on the SE watch?
Question: about vitals app
Any information about the wrist temperature information for series 6 and series 7
Since those series doesn’t have temperature sensors
What would be it’s user UI interface looks like and does affect your vitals measurements
Basically whatever feature the watch supports will be displayed. For example, new Ultra 2's don't support SPO2 since Apple was sued over it last year and ultimately removed from new devices. In that case, SPO2 simply won't be displayed and there will be no icon for it at all. Same goes for wrist temperature, if the device doesn't support it it simply won't exist within the vitals app.
Is any improvements for water sport ie paddle sports gps etc
Training load do not exist if you don’t have apple watch. I have been testing watchos 11 since 1 beta - have huge garmin staff and apple eco, but without apple watch ultra/ultra 2 (sold it months ago). So if you sync data from garmin to apple, but not having AW, there is no training load settings.
Oh interesting did not notice that! I guess it’s still useful if you use both an Apple Watch and a Garmin cycling computer for example.
@@ChaseTheSummit yes, in that case of course.
How well does Apple Watch show heart rate in real time vs say a Garmin with a chest strap?
Very good. And especially much better than any garmin
Thank you so much for your videos and this one, quick question, for the routes planning and maps, are they just limited to walking, running and hiking or is cycling an option? Thank you.
Works on hiking trails as well! But those trails need to be available in Apple Maps. In my area there’s pretty good coverage. However I can’t find a way to change my “activity” type for the estimated completion time. For example run vs walk… again this is beta and could change!
I’ve got a question, does the mapping future will only be available for the USA? Or worldwide? Thanks.
Maps should be world wide however the more details contour maps with contour lines and detailed trail names are USA only for now but will expand over time.
@@ChaseTheSummit so if I live in Central America I will be able to create my own routes through Apple Maps innit?
The science says that watches are not accurate for keeping calorie count - I guess no one is ever gonna tell us that !
Can you do manual routes? Like if you create a route where there is no predefined trail does Apple let you do that? Or force you to stick to roads/trails that are in Apple maps
right now it forces you to stick to trails/roads. It would be nice to see a "free hand" route creation tool.
Thanks for the quick reply!
Are the Apple Watch offline maps limited to routes or does it also work for when you download an area?
You can also download an area to the watch.
@@ChaseTheSummit wooo that’s great news!! Thank you!
Hey! Thanks for the video!! - happen to know if there is still no way to have health app steps match in activity app? Essentially want my steps from garmin activity to show up on Apple Watch. THANKS
Still not possible unfortunately!
Seems like Apple hasn't got anything to worry about samsung ultra, seen a video on the GPS and it was bad. Only one example though but not a good start.
Garmin watxh next for me
Also, it has a 100m depth rating, but no depth sensor, so you can’t use it as a dive watch 😅
Can you check the map while you run without changing apps?
No, you need to double tap the digital crown and switch apps.
@@ChaseTheSummit thanks man 🙏
I’m thinking about getting an ultra 2. When will the update be on it?
Probably in the fall
@@ChaseTheSummit thanks. If I were to get a Garmin or Suunto watch is it easier to use the iPhone health app vs the Garmin or Suunto app?
Does this take the place of athlyitc or still not there yet?
Watch the video I posted today 😉
Man, a lot of weird spam comments today.
Does the route feature only work in the U.S.?
It will work anywhere Apple Maps is supported. However, the contour maps and trails will only work in the USA for now until it's expanded to other regions.
With the routes on the watch do you have to open the maps app start the route and then start a run workout? Or is there anyway to start th route and run in the workouts app?
Maps/Navigation are totally separate from the Workout app so you need to sort of switch between apps mid-run to start a navigation or execute a route. Not a huge deal with a double tap of the digital crown but it would be nice if they embedded maps in the workout app or made that an option. Once you're navigating though you will get turn notifications at the top of the screen even if you're in the workout app.
So can you use the maps while working doing a workout?
Yup, but you need to jump between the two different apps. However turn notifications will still pop up at the top of the screen regardless and you’ll see that during your workout.
@@ChaseTheSummit that’s pretty cool. So you start the route in maps on your watch and then go to the workout app and start a workout?
@@Oharsh0928yes
Yesterday I've upgraded to public beta on iphone and watch, set this training mode on ultra 2 modular face, but it just loaded the sleep stuff on the left, the training is saying 1/14 days, but not graphics there on the right. I've made weight lifting for a couple months and it's recorded on activities, a bit confused about that yet... I was expecting that it'd be loaded there as well
You'll need to go into each activity and manually add an "Effort Rating" to each one. Without Effort Rating Training Load will be blank.
@@ChaseTheSummit oh it did the trick! Thank u!
Maps and creating routes only works in USA 😖
@@MerihAkyol I think routes will be world wide but contour maps are limited to the USA for now.
anyone knows which wirkouts give automatic estimate after workout? so for only outdoor running gave one. but walking didnt.
Indoor and outdoor running and walking are both supported. Could be a Beta glitch.
Galaxy Watch 7...When full review?
Coming soon!
I would download, but are not sure that my Danish 🇩🇰 apps are working (driver license, bank app and MitID).
Well still way poorer than garmin for sport
Yup, no auto workout creation for races, no re-routing or route creation on the watch and the battery life is garbage in comparison, but it's cool to see Apple trying to match Garmin for features. Perhaps it'll mean that Garmin push a little harder in matching Apple on some of their "smartwatch" features. LTE would be nice.
@@Jay151two months and we'll be smart
μου λείπεις...
250Mb data for 3 miles route ?
pathetic
Not sure I understand.
@@ChaseTheSummit i am about routes, when you create new route on phone apple suggest you to download 250 of map data, just for small 3 miles route )
90% users actually weight lifting workout they should of made vitals app for that, Apple always adds useless shit most people don’t used
Huh? Vitals and training load will cover weight lifting as well.
@@ChaseTheSummit never mind then I’m gay
kind of ugly...?
The interface? It's... colorful lol.
The battery... well the battery life is still disgustingly bad,to be polite. I can't understand the hype about this watch. Garmin beats it by millions!!!
Different tools for different jobs.
2 devices, meant for 2 different things. For instance, try making a phone call on a Garmin. Oh, you can’t? Or try text with a Garmin. Still can’t? Apple Watch has a MUCH faster processor for these tasks. If a Garmin could do the same thing, it would have piss poor battery life too
And now..... thanks 😂
@@ChaseTheSummit Hi, what's the battery life?
Athlytic still crushes Apple Fitness. Apple Fitness is a jumbled shit mess.