Aviation Was Never The Same Again (1956 Grand Canyon Mid-air Collision) - DISASTER BREAKDOWN

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  • @DisasterBreakdown
    @DisasterBreakdown  ปีที่แล้ว +86

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    • @robertmcghintheorca49
      @robertmcghintheorca49 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Do you think you'll do a video about the 1983 Madrid Airport disaster before year's end?

    • @pennywaltz4601
      @pennywaltz4601 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Disaster breakdown could you do the Uruguayan air force flight 571 and lansa flight 508? Both these flights have incredible stories of survival from one survivor or more survivors how they survival their ordeals their stories made headlines and become stories!

    • @Jose_Hunters_EWF_Remixes
      @Jose_Hunters_EWF_Remixes ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I have yet to see one of your videos which I'd consider uninteresting

    • @khisel1
      @khisel1 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      So good. I've been watching for over a year but this one convinced me to go back, catch up and subscribe to not miss any new aviation-related videos. Thank you for your incredible attention to detail and story telling.

    • @hia5235
      @hia5235 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Blacks during the 50s also did very well and became entrenched in the production economy where they remain very important. Everyone did better: wasnt racial.

  • @lostvictims9769
    @lostvictims9769 ปีที่แล้ว +266

    In remembrance:
    TWA Flight 2:
    Captain Jack Silvetus Gandy, 41
    First Officer James Henry Ritner, 31
    Flight Engineer Forrest Dean Breyfogle, 37
    Supplementary Harry Harvey Allen, 35
    Flight Attendant Tracine Elizabeth Armbruster, 29
    Flight Attendant Beth Ellis Davis, 24
    Thomas Edward Ashton Jr., 34
    Robert Vernon Beatty, 23
    Martha Ann Beck, 21
    Stephen Robert Bishop, 19
    Esther Ellen Braughton, 32
    Connie June Braughton, 6
    Linda Kay Braughton, 9
    Lois F. Brock, 44
    Lillian Estelle Carple, 39
    Lawrence Zay Chatten, 42
    Sally Ann Cressman, 22
    Chester Arnold Crewse, 45
    Helen Colleen Crewse, 15
    L. Davis
    Robert Earl DeLonge, 37
    Almeda Inez Evans, 36
    Donald Lloyd Flentie, 32
    Virginia Elizabeth Goppert, 45
    Janice Tracy Haas, 20
    William Wallace Hatcher, 42
    Mildred Rogene Hatcher, 40
    Janice Mae Heiser, 24
    J.R. Holman
    James Joseph Jang, 39
    Wayne Gardner Jeffrey, 32
    Sidney Roland Joslin, 47
    Catherine Marie Kennaley, 67
    Joseph James Kite, 41
    Peachie Marie Kite, 38
    Linda JoAnn Kite, 6
    Sharon Marie Kite, 9
    Marie Jane Klemp, 30
    Lois Marie Laxton
    Michael Anthony Laxton, 4
    Mary Ellen Lytle, 37
    John Otto Maag, 39
    Claire Maria M. Maag, 37
    Howard John Maag, 1 month
    William Hartzell Markey Jr., 46
    Donald Keith McBain, 51
    Rosalie Maude McClenny, 25
    Alice Emma Meyer, 41
    Andrew Jackson Nasalroad, 30
    Robert Bernard Nelson, 29
    Richard Curtis Noel Sr., 65
    Marietta L. Noel, 60
    John Walker Payne Jr., 44
    Richard Darling Payne, 39
    Richard Michael Payne, 14
    Monica Jeanne Payne, 9
    Robert Farley Perisho, 30
    Dennis Phalen
    Neal Alan Power, 22
    Edward Merrill Reaves, 40
    Jeanette L. Robinson, 31
    David Karn Robinson, 11
    Geoffry Brian Robinson, 8
    Robert Ernest Sanders, 21
    Esther Sharp, 41
    Robert Frank Sontag, 19
    Gloria Kathleen Townsend, 34
    Bessie Nathanielene Whitman, 36
    Carolyn Ruth Wiley, 23
    Elizabeth May Young, 40
    United Flight 718:
    Captain Robert Forbes Shirley, 48
    First Officer Robert William Harms, 36
    Flight Engineer Girardo Xavier Fiore, 39
    Flight Attendant Nancy Lou Kemnitz, 24
    Flight Attendant Margaret Ann Shoudt, 26
    Christopher Edward Balsat, 20
    John Aloysius Barry Jr., 48
    Phyllis C. Berman, 48
    Rosemary Ferry Bishop, 40
    Steven Robert Bishop, 19
    Gertrude Agnes Book, 62
    Frank Chambers Caple, 40
    Milton Barry Carlton, 36
    Carol Jean Church, 6
    Frank Henry Clark, 43
    Leon David Cook Jr., 38
    Elizabeth R. Crider, 26
    Jeffrey Louis Crider, 3
    Elizabeth Francis Doering, 63
    Walter Moritz Fuchs, 74
    Stella Blum Fuchs, 71
    Noel Henry Gottesman
    Jack Groshans
    James K. Hadfield, 33
    Lillian Ruth Hahn, 36
    Eugene B. Hoffman, 26
    Russell Charles Huber, 74
    Francis Robert Johlie II, 31
    Donald F. Kehl, 46
    Dee D. Kovack, 39
    Ted Michael Kubiniec, 37
    Ray O. Lasby
    Sally Lou Laughlin, 20
    Theodore Henry Lyman, 33
    Carl G. Matland
    Dwight B. Mims
    John J. Muldoon, 57
    Gerald Murchison, 51
    Floyd A. Nixon, 45
    Elsie W. Osterbrook
    Hugo Pekruhn, 83
    John George Reba, 35
    Alexander Eugene Rosenblatt, 66
    Russell A. Shields Jr.
    Carl Jeramiah Snyder, 59
    Fred Robert Staecker, 11
    Thomas John Sulpizio, 30
    James William Tobias Jr., 32
    Albert Vogt, 59
    Stanley Jerome Weiss, 36
    Peter Austin Whyte, 15
    Albert Edward Widdifield, 50
    Roberta Elaine Wilde, 31
    Donald Lee Winings, 32
    Wesslau Gilbert Wright Sr., 39
    John Edward Yeager, 39
    And 2 military passengers, whose names I have been unable to find.

    • @dnfluffles772
      @dnfluffles772 ปีที่แล้ว +41

      It hurts even more to see young children on this list...

    • @RealButcher
      @RealButcher ปีที่แล้ว +6

      WOW ;-(

    • @bernhardecklin7005
      @bernhardecklin7005 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Thank you.

    • @bertiodvonrastenburger1129
      @bertiodvonrastenburger1129 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Really brings home the human cost, especially children and whole families........

    • @lonerebeI
      @lonerebeI ปีที่แล้ว +6

      So many families and young people, Godbless all of them. Poor souls

  • @joecrammond6221
    @joecrammond6221 ปีที่แล้ว +501

    a sad story is history would repeat itself only four years later as another United Airlines flight collided with a TWA Constelation

    • @frozenuruguayball6436
      @frozenuruguayball6436 ปีที่แล้ว +77

      And both United aircraft were douglases they kept flying after the impact and in both the twa constellations broke up mid flight

    • @shaunstrasser1
      @shaunstrasser1 ปีที่แล้ว +37

      Over New York was the second one

    • @beenbomb82
      @beenbomb82 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      @@frozenuruguayball6436 and both of the twa planes lost their tails

    • @imagaybanana2004
      @imagaybanana2004 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      It’s so eerie how similar these two crashes are.

    • @paulyoung7551
      @paulyoung7551 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Hopefully Disaster Breakdown covers that accident in a future video.

  • @erlienfrommars
    @erlienfrommars ปีที่แล้ว +345

    If there's a particular tragedy that best describes the quote "Aviation regulations are written in blood" aside from 9/11, this is one of them, another would be the Tenerife Airport Disaster, They literally brought a lot of changes in the way we do aviation in their aftermath.

    • @thelvadam2884
      @thelvadam2884 ปีที่แล้ว +44

      all safety regulations are written in blood , not only aviation my friend !

    • @BessotenJenny
      @BessotenJenny ปีที่แล้ว +12

      When my flight instructor handed me my first FAR that's what he told me, "This book is written in blood."

    • @harrietharlow9929
      @harrietharlow9929 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Sadly, that is very true. But not just aviation. For example it took the Titanic disaster to tighten and increase safety.

    • @sarahwillett1130
      @sarahwillett1130 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      "Tombstone technology" - applies to a lot of industries, but bigtime in aviation.

    • @Ramboost007
      @Ramboost007 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      It really is insane that at one point the United States did not have an air traffic control system that talked directly to the pilots

  • @SadisticSenpai61
    @SadisticSenpai61 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    It's also worth noting that the United flight had no idea that TWA was at the same altitude as them. While the TWA was told to keep an eye out for the United flight, no one thought to communicate to the United flight to keep an eye out for the TWA. It is possible that simple lack of communication may have been what doomed both flights. Maybe.
    If clouds were in the way, it probably wouldn't have made any difference anyway.

    • @FromMoroccoWithoutLove
      @FromMoroccoWithoutLove 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Yeah I think before few seconds from impact the UA flight came out of a cloud, visual flight rules were shaky at best

  • @RichSmiley
    @RichSmiley ปีที่แล้ว +102

    My mother was supposed to be on the TWA flight. My grandmother decided against it at the last minute and didn't let my mom go. Glad she did.

    • @blazer7731
      @blazer7731 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Not trying to sound distasteful but that’s like some final destination stuff right there. That being said I’m also incredibly lucky to be alive as my grandmothers house in France was bombed by Americans(I think) in ww2 while she was outside or so I’ve been told.

    • @byronharano2391
      @byronharano2391 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Wow! Thank YAH!

    • @UnitedAirlinesDC10
      @UnitedAirlinesDC10 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      How old are you? This was in 1956!

    • @TristanfromNewYork
      @TristanfromNewYork 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@UnitedAirlinesDC10why tf do you want to know 💀

  • @EpicJoshua314
    @EpicJoshua314 ปีที่แล้ว +110

    The Connie is such an iconic plane and this disaster is one of the most iconic disasters in aviation history were great lessons were learned. Interesting fact is that aviation legend, Clay Lacy was flying out of LA to Denver with United’s chief pilot that morning and overheard the Salt Lake controllers asking for UA 718 to report in.

    • @robertmcghintheorca49
      @robertmcghintheorca49 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      I believe he said in a 2012 "Mayday" episode that he was piloting a DC-6 specifically.

  • @tovarischgrazhdanin
    @tovarischgrazhdanin ปีที่แล้ว +154

    ooooh that smooth transition to wide resolution and Flight Simulator footage! it was incredible to see
    an excellent and visually pleasing recollection of truly tragic events, thank you for your videos!

    • @DisasterBreakdown
      @DisasterBreakdown  ปีที่แล้ว +36

      I normally always fill in the black areas when I use older footage but I thought it was a good opportunity to try out that trick I've always wanted to do.

    • @frozenuruguayball6436
      @frozenuruguayball6436 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DisasterBreakdownI would love to know what flight sims you use!

    • @ultimategino
      @ultimategino ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@DisasterBreakdown I came here to comment the same! I don't know If everyone noticed but it was soo smooth! Nicely done

    • @Schrauberella
      @Schrauberella ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ​@@DisasterBreakdown Chloe, you are a true gem among documentary and analytical youtubers - top notch video material and your calm voice is a cherry on top!
      No wait... crown jewel! ❤

    • @friendlyreptile9931
      @friendlyreptile9931 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@frozenuruguayball6436 I think he used 2 for this video and one was XP11

  • @antman5474
    @antman5474 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    The similarities between this collision and the Miller field collision of a United Airlines DC8 and a TWA Constellation are eerie.
    Both collisions resulted in the same number of onboard fatalities, 128.
    Both collisions resulted in the United Airlines wing slicing of a section of the Connie's fuselage resulting in complete loss of control on the Connie's part.
    And in both collisions the United Airlines aircraft although missing a section of wing remained airborne for a time afterwards.
    In the 1956 collision the port wing of the United Airlines plane sliced through the rear fuselage of the TWA and in 1960 the starboard wing sliced through the front section.
    Wtf

  • @scdawn8658
    @scdawn8658 ปีที่แล้ว +56

    Heard this story over100 times but you still managed to make it interesting. Thanks

    • @DisasterBreakdown
      @DisasterBreakdown  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Glad you enjoyed it

    • @stephanieparker1250
      @stephanieparker1250 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      She’s so good at giving another view on these disasters, I love it.

    • @UnitedAirlinesDC10
      @UnitedAirlinesDC10 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@stephanieparker1250 Wait its a girl? I checked their old videos and they sound like a man, unless they changed the voice actor

  • @jenplinguist
    @jenplinguist 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    Since I've started watching these videos, I realize that I have stronger awareness of my own speech rate and intelligibility when giving my online classes, as well as how I'm using my visuals. You are so inspirational on how to do things correctly and comprehensively! These are great lessons in how slowing it down actually increases efficiency 🙂

  • @C.Fecteau-AU-MJ13
    @C.Fecteau-AU-MJ13 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    I think it's always worth remembering how close to the war those aircraft were and how much knowledge was gathered from the lives lost in war era planes that saved countless lives in the here and now.

  • @swampcat0712
    @swampcat0712 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    you know, I've studied and seen other videos about most of these disasters many times, BUT, when I watch your videos, and the eloquent way you put them together, it's like they are new all over again. thank you for the quality or your work. I love you voice btw, very soothing in spite of the content lol. Swampcat

  • @PTMG
    @PTMG ปีที่แล้ว +90

    The chances of a mid air collision are so insanely improbable, it's impressive that it has ever happened at all tbh
    Even in a situation where they were quite literally setup for failure with intersecting flight paths, the crash still happened out of sheer dumb luck that they both happened to be sight seeing the exact same point in space at the exact same point in time, several miles off course

    • @1L6E6VHF
      @1L6E6VHF ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Though in fact, the fact that pilots were purposely flying into the Grand Canyon area to provide good views, increased the likelihood of collision.

    • @chicken29843
      @chicken29843 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      There's also the one from now I forget where but there was militarized airspace to the north and south of the airport and show all incoming and outgoing planes had to fly along the same strip of airspace and then of course inevitably eventually there was a mid-air collision.

    • @crewrangergaming9582
      @crewrangergaming9582 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      if it's a one in a million chance then we have had more than a million flights already

    • @mike04574
      @mike04574 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It happened 20 years ago

    • @animula6908
      @animula6908 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I don’t find it that improbable. Especially at airports. It’s amazing to me it doesn’t happen all the time there. 😮

  • @derekwh
    @derekwh ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Once upon a time, I worked the Ellsworth AFB RAPCON, controlling traffic into Rapid City Regional Airport. It wasn't uncommon for commercial pilots to ask for "vectors for Mt Rushmore" to give passengers a look at the monument as they were arriving into the area. So the "sightseeing" aspect of air travel isn't completely dead everywhere.

  • @robertpinto6515
    @robertpinto6515 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    I was standing outside the armory in San Bernardino that Saturday, swearing in the Navy when these planes crashed. I was unaware for 60 years about this horrible accident that ocurred then! What an unnecessary disaster, just to see a hole in the ground!

  • @SeekingTheLoveThatGodMeans7648
    @SeekingTheLoveThatGodMeans7648 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    This reminds me of the story of when there were only two automobiles in the entire state of Ohio, and they collided.

    • @ohioguy215
      @ohioguy215 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      I live in Ohio and if the drivers drove then the way they do now, a collision would not surprise me in the least.

    • @TheRealityfades
      @TheRealityfades 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Oh yea

  • @senabecool7232
    @senabecool7232 ปีที่แล้ว +73

    Chloe, we need more videos on incidents involving Mid-air collisions cause those incidents always bring about a new positive change to ATC and aircraft seperation

    • @28ebdh3udnav
      @28ebdh3udnav ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I agree. Like the incident where a Jet liner had a mid air collision with U.S. Marine Corps F 4 phantom jet.

    • @moiraatkinson
      @moiraatkinson ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I’d like to see this too. Mid air collisions are the accidents that seem the most chilling of all and slightly scary to watch.

    • @gnarthdarkanen7464
      @gnarthdarkanen7464 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Even some near misses would be good... not just because everybody lived through them, but for how lessons can be learned and changes made without a horrible cost AND the occasional good chuckle for just how the course of history shifted as it were...
      Once in a while, a change is made that wasn't written in blood. It's kinda rare, but it's happened. ;o)

    • @RBMapleLeaf
      @RBMapleLeaf ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@28ebdh3udnav Hughes Air West Flight 706 and the F4 Phantom involved I believe it was Bruno 458 I might be wrong but it's something like that.

    • @joeyvanostrand3655
      @joeyvanostrand3655 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The "Big Sky" theory was quickly and swiftly disproven. "There is so much sky. So much room up there it's a near improbable chance two airplanes will intersect in the same exact air space at the same exact time".
      Fate and Balls of Steel responded by spit-yelling "Hold my Beer Fuckbags!!" "Be Right Back!!".

  • @luuduonghy659
    @luuduonghy659 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Despite "1000 on top" was introduced, its only manage to make the sky become safer but not completely
    In 1978, Pacific Southwest Flight 182 collided with a small plane while try to land at San Diego. All passenger were perished in the crash
    In 1987, Skywest Flight 1834 also involved in an collison in USA
    After those collison, the TCAS system was introduced

  • @mikekeenan8450
    @mikekeenan8450 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Good video.
    The DC-7, as you point out, is derived from the DC-6. The main difference is that the DC-7 had something called "turbo compound" engines; it was vaguely like turbocharging, except that instead of using the exhaust turbine to power a supercharger (which is what turbocharging is) it applied the power directly to the crankshaft. Neat idea, made for a faster and more efficient plane, but caused reliability problems. Apparently the mechanics of the day referred to the power recovery turbine as the "parts recovery turbine"; as a result, the DC-6 remained in widespread use for a lot longer than the DC-7. I think there's a handful in service even to this day, whereas very few DC-7s survive and none fly now.

    • @billlawrence1899
      @billlawrence1899 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      True. The Seven used the Wright 3350, whereas the Six used the far more reliable Pratt & Whitney R-2800. Likewise the Connie used the same Wright engine, but with a 3 blade propeller instead of the 4 blade on the same engine on the Sevens.

    • @krautyvonlederhosen
      @krautyvonlederhosen 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The exhaust turbine as you put it is turbocharging and does not use its energy to power supercharger at all. All superchargers are engine driven, turbocharging is merely an exhaust driven turbine, usually having its compressed air introduced into the supercharger for efficiency. The power recovery systems were fluid driven couplers thru a combination of gears and shafts which added power directly to the crankshaft. Superchargers are gear driven blowers.

    • @krautyvonlederhosen
      @krautyvonlederhosen 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The fluid driven couplers are likened to a torque converter as applied to an automatic transmission.

    • @mikekeenan8450
      @mikekeenan8450 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@krautyvonlederhosen Well I said that it wasn't driving a supercharger. As regards whether a turbocharger counts as a supercharger or not, I think it was maybe in the late 70s or early 80s that they started to talk about a turbocharger as if it were a distinct thing as opposed to a special kind of supercharger; older books don't use the term "turbocharger" for that at all.
      I think the change came around the same time they started calling brake discs "rotors"; it's just branding by the automakers really.

  • @stephanieparker1250
    @stephanieparker1250 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    To be fair, these were amazing pilots, family men with high levels of professionalism and caring for their passengers. Their actions were not uncommon for the time, we had inexperience with crowded airways so the lack of rules for this isn’t a big surprise. It was a horrible, heartbreaking accident..

    • @GeeBee909
      @GeeBee909 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      There were no "crowded airways" in 1958, none at all. Also, what "actions" by them were "uncommon"?

  • @samh3029
    @samh3029 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    My dad was a flight surgeon in the USAF and was stationed at Luke AFB near Phoenix at the time. He was the first medical officer to the scene of the TWA crash site.

  • @bernhardecklin7005
    @bernhardecklin7005 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Great post. Thank you very much.
    Detail on the edge:
    Either the Douglas aircraft shown is a DC-6, or the DC-7 was here incorrectly configured with three-blade propellers.
    The lower ground clearance compared to the L-1049 meant that four instead of three bladed propellers were fitted with the same engine. Shorter propeller blades..but one more of them.

  • @jamestucker9524
    @jamestucker9524 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I was ten years old when I read it in the newspaper Daily News the next day. I can still remember the photos of the pilots stewardesses and passengers who were on board the two doomed planes.

  • @Carlos44
    @Carlos44 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    As a thirteen year old I flew on a Connie from Los Angeles to Kansas City one year after this disaster, which I was well aware of at the time. Because of it, I'm sure my flight was much less likely to result in a mid-air collision.

    • @toastnjam7384
      @toastnjam7384 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I also flew on a Connie that summer from LA to Chicago as a five-year-old. Since this happened in June, I'm guessing it was shortly after this incident. It took over a year for reforms to take place and the FAA wasn't created until 1958, so we were both not that safe.

  • @johnmaher5218
    @johnmaher5218 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I was living in NY the day of this crash. I was doing clinicals for my lab tech course that day but the volunteer ambulance corps I belonged to did respond to the United crash site. Ironically, the electronic siren on our new 1960 rescue ambulance was being shipped from Chicago and it was determined that it was cargo on the United jet. Everybody was overwhelmed with sorrow that the little boy who had survived died in the hospital. Very professional and well made video. This incident has not been forgotten even 60 plus years later.

    • @somethingforsenro
      @somethingforsenro 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      believe it or not, this is a different collision. the collision you're thinking of happened (i think) three years later between two very similar planes.

  • @kevanhubbard9673
    @kevanhubbard9673 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    That's what sprung into my mind straight away,an unofficial sightseeing tour.

  • @boeing777pilot5
    @boeing777pilot5 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Great video as always Chloe! Would also like to possibly see the 1960 New York mid-air collision, another collision between twa and united.

  • @On-Our-Radar-24News
    @On-Our-Radar-24News ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Excellent job on breaking down this accident and the sequence of events that led to this tragedy. I have heard that there are still large pieces of both aircrafts laying in the Grand Canyon today and every now and again you will hear of a rock climber finding pieces. Truly sad.

  • @Noob_Gambling
    @Noob_Gambling ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I wad just googling worst mid air collisions and learned about this one 15 min ago. Your timing is awesome!

  • @chadmccoy8032
    @chadmccoy8032 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    ALL that sky, two tiny planes (relative to the sky) and they collide. Amazing all the things that had to happen to cause. Although, what is truly amazing is that it didn’t happen more.

  • @gnarthdarkanen7464
    @gnarthdarkanen7464 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    As always, Chloe, no matter how many times I might have heard it or how far I might've gone to read up on it... Your patient explanation and TOP TIER PRODUCTION has done a perfect job of bringing out every last living detail... Truly a remarkable job!!!
    I just about can't wait to see you next Saturday, just to find out what's coming next... ;o)

  • @ravismcromarty5600
    @ravismcromarty5600 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Wow those old planes actually had leg room!

    • @DisasterBreakdown
      @DisasterBreakdown  ปีที่แล้ว +5

      They also had full, foldable beds and some even had proper kitchens on board!

    • @ron3557
      @ron3557 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@DisasterBreakdown back when airlines cared about their passengers . Back when people weren't crammed Into a metal tube like sardines in a can

    • @davidhoffman1278
      @davidhoffman1278 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ron3557 ,
      Give thanks, or no thanks, to Juan Trippe of Pan American Airlines for his insistence on 6 across economy seating in the B707 and DC-8 to get maximum profit flying to and from New York City to the Caribbean, Central America, and South America.

    • @Sashazur
      @Sashazur ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@davidhoffman1278 If he hadn’t done it some other airline executives would have. Obvious way to save money. At any rate even though flying is less fun in many ways today, it’s cheaper and much safer.

  • @billycm8370
    @billycm8370 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I enjoy your voice and video’s very much. I especially enjoyed the more relaxed pace of this one. You sure tell a good story.
    Thank you

  • @ingridclare7411
    @ingridclare7411 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Such a soothing stunning voice you have! Perfect narration. Excellent content...

  • @Avvura
    @Avvura ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I watch all of the Mayday episodes and these breathe new life into all these investigations, thank you

  • @heahheah9817
    @heahheah9817 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    the transition at 4:13 just made me realise how much passion you truly have for these videos. all the love in the world keep it up

  • @walkerpantera
    @walkerpantera ปีที่แล้ว +6

    dont worry, your vids are always more awesome than the last, i appreciate your compassionate presentation style. its what keeps me coming back.

  • @shatteredshards8549
    @shatteredshards8549 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Your hard work on this one paid off, Chloe - very well done!

  • @outlawbadge1
    @outlawbadge1 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I have been watching all these air disasters and safety seems a hard thing to learn. You can’t screw up in the air because there is no place to go except down! Thanks for sharing

  • @stephanieparker1250
    @stephanieparker1250 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Btw Chloe, your simulator graphics are on a new level, so awesome! 🎉🎉🎉🎉

  • @jameswebb4593
    @jameswebb4593 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    A year later in June 1957 I flew across the Atlantic in a BOAC Super Constellation from Boston Mas. to London Heathrow via Gander . A superb experience , having flown scores of times around the world since , nothing compares to that 1957 flight.

  • @nigelbond4056
    @nigelbond4056 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Whilst the Connie was, and remains one of the most recognisable planes, I believe the DC-7 was a far superior aircraft. Lessons learnt from this disaster have undoubtedly saved many lives but mid-air collisions haven’t been completely irradiated. Another brilliant video Chloe, laced with your usual level of detail and understanding. 👌

  • @vespurrs
    @vespurrs ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I'm a new subscriber, having some of your videos in my recent recommendations and deciding to give them a watch. I love your voice, it's perfect for these narrations! I also like the fact that you cover incidents that aren't necessarily well-known. This one might be an exception, but your in-depth analysis made it an interesting watch despite my having familiarity with this particular accident. Long story short, great job, I've been enjoying binging your videos!

  • @reganmcneil2074
    @reganmcneil2074 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What a top tier channel! Just found you. I like these better than the videos that are studio produced!! Love this! Currently binge watching

  • @pjesf
    @pjesf ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Very nicely done - I’d seen this covered on 2 other channels and both used the same cheesy re-enactment scenes so this was much better

  • @revived1674
    @revived1674 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Crazy to think you could fly VFR at 20k+ elevation in an airliner back then. Very informative and detailed video. Great work as always Chloe!

    • @anna_in_aotearoa3166
      @anna_in_aotearoa3166 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It seems a little insane even then, given the era's severe lack of communication connectivity or anti-collision sensors...?
      No shade to the pilots in this crash! But the environment of the time makes me wonder how much of this laissez faire approach was due just to the relatively limited number of planes around, and how much might have been the more experienced pilots of the time pushing back against any kind of regimented systems following their WWII experiences...? 🤷🏻‍♀️
      That sort of seat-of-pants flying with unannounced changes of flight plan etc really isn't something that would've been considered okay during their War years, I wouldn't think. So I'm curious why it was seen as normal once they transitioned over to the civilian aero industry...?
      Was it just part of that American "free market = no rules" attitude? I'd be curious to hear others' thoughts on industry psychology at the time!

    • @farhanatashiga3721
      @farhanatashiga3721 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@anna_in_aotearoa3166 this is all looking at it from today's POV as Chloe pointed out several times all parties involved were operating did not do anything wrong with regards to the procedures in place at the time. That was a different era that viewed things in a different POV

  • @mrasmussen5506
    @mrasmussen5506 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    According to this account of the accident, United Flight 718 broke Federal Aviation Regulations by deviating from their Instrument Flight Rules (IFR) flight plan without receiving clearance from Air Traffic Control (ATC), while TWA Flight 2 requested and received clearance to discontinue operating under IFR and switch to Visual Flight Rules (VFR). Had United Flight 718 not deviated from their IFR flight plan, or if they had requested clearance to do so with ATC, would this accident have even occurred?

    • @fleetwoodpup8328
      @fleetwoodpup8328 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The FAA didn't exist in 1956. Flight 2 was flying at the incorrect altitude by going "1,000 on Top" as a way of flying at the previously requested 21,000 ft which was denied by ATC.

  • @joecombs7468
    @joecombs7468 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Actually it is more than a possibility. Both planes were sightseeing the Grand Canyon. It was a common practice before this accident.
    Planes were not required to adhere to a rigid flight path at that time. In the 1950s there were few commercial jets in the United States and radar was at airorts leaving the vast majority of United States air space not covered by radar.

  • @DPImageCapturing
    @DPImageCapturing ปีที่แล้ว +6

    This was a great video! You need to do one about this: On December 16, 1960, a United Airlines Douglas DC-8 bound for Idlewild Airport in New York City collided in midair with a TWA Lockheed L-1049 Super Constellation descending toward LaGuardia Airport.

    • @DisasterBreakdown
      @DisasterBreakdown  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yes I will be doing the New York Accident! soon-ish

    • @DPImageCapturing
      @DPImageCapturing ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@DisasterBreakdown Cool dude! I work on 767-200’s & 767-300’s everyday, CHEERS!

    • @bwc1976
      @bwc1976 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@DPImageCapturing 767 is one of my favorite planes ever! Only one middle seat in economy, and nobody has to climb over more than one other person to get to the aisle.

    • @timazzara9030
      @timazzara9030 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@DisasterBreakdown look closely at atc and the United flight. When told he was releasing them from radar, 826 was already 9 mil3s off course and the collision was less than 1/2 minute away. The 11 mile short cut wasn't taken into account by crew of 826

  • @federicoprice2687
    @federicoprice2687 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm still catching up, but wow! All of your videos are truly excellent, and this one is 5* plus. I really admire the clarity, throughness, logic, tact and visuals of your videos, which are invariably sensitive and respectful. But above all, they are very informative and highly instructive. Thank you, yet again! 5* plus.

  • @mr01steam
    @mr01steam ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Excellent video. Thanks for all your hard work. This was an Historical accident that changed flying forever.

  • @sydyidanton5873
    @sydyidanton5873 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Another terrific video, it’s interesting to note albeit extremely tragic, United and TWA were involved in another mid-air collision a four years later, 16 December 1960, over New York City.
    TWA was again operating an L1049 and United operated a new DC-8 jet aircraft.
    UA826 DC-8 Souls Onboard: 84 Chicago O'Hare to New York Idlewild (later JFK)
    TW266 L1049 Souls Onboard: 44 Dayton via Port Columbus to New York La Guadia
    TW266 was on course in the correct location, UA826 had been given a course change, which meant a more direct shorter approach than they were anticipating and had set up for, subsequently they had not reduced speed and failed to do so.Due to one of their two VORs (Navaid Equp) being inop they needed to switch their functional VOR back and forth between two frequencies to identify their assigned waypoint, increasing their task saturation significantly. Due to their workload and airspeed they overflew the assigned waypoint placing them 19km off course at point of impact.
    The UA DC-8's starboard (RHS) outboard engine impacted a section of the forward fuselage of the TW L1049 causing the aircraft to begin breaking up as it was spiralling to the ground with some occupants falling from the torn-open aircraft. Part of the wreckage impacted into a field, while the remaining items of wreckage went into New York Harbour.
    The UA DC-8's engine was torn from the pylon along with a section of outboard wing, the aircraft flew on, descending, for another 90 seconds prior to impacting into a residential area.
    The impact caused partial destruction and fires to breakout in ten apartment buildings (brownstones), also a church and some local businesses.
    The accident caused the loss of life for all onboard the TW L1049, on the UA DC-8 all but one 11 year old boy, flying as an unaccompanied minor, were lost along with an additional 6 victims killed on the ground.
    The 11 year old UM was ejected from the aircraft and landed in a snow bank. Tragically in addition to his clothes burning which were quickly extinguished, he had inhaled burning jet fuel which caused severe damage to his lungs. Although he was conscious at the accident scene, he died the next day due to traumatic pneumonia secondary to thermal injury to his lungs.
    It is chilling how similar the accidents were, the same two airlines involved, TWA operating the same aircraft type, United had operated another Douglas aircraft, though instead of a DC-7 (prop) it was a DC-8 (jet). Again the the United aircraft's wing impacted and destroyed a section of fuselage causing separation of fuselage structures. The United aircraft lost a section of its wing and remained inflight for a short time longer prior to impact.
    This was the first hull loss of a DC-8. TWA's L1049 N6907C 'Star of Sicily' was a sister ship to the L1049 lost 4 years earlier over the Grand Canyon which was N6902C 'Star of the Seine'.
    Absolutely horrendous for all involved, and life destroying for the loved ones of those crew, passengers and victims on the ground who lost their lives that wintery day.
    It was the worst aviation accident at the time until nine years later. 2010 was the 50th anniversary of the disaster, subsequently a memorial was dedicated to the 134 victims who lost their lives that day. It was established at the Green-Wood Cemetery in New York City, which is also the location of a collective grave for the victim's remains who were unable to be identified. Extremely heartbreaking.

  • @mr.coplen771
    @mr.coplen771 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Chloe, your work is beyond fascinating. I thoroughly enjoy every episode. Keep up the fantastic work! ❤

  • @heather2837
    @heather2837 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Your videos are the best! Thank you for all the work you put in to provide this information to us.

  • @goldenmiddledistanceraces5929
    @goldenmiddledistanceraces5929 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good channel. Most other flight crash channels are covering the 70s to up to date so it is good to learn about these historical accidents and what caused them etc.

  • @tammymakesthings
    @tammymakesthings ปีที่แล้ว +1

    New subscriber, and this was the third of your videos I’ve watched. It’s excellent - well done! This crash has long fascinated me, and I’ve even visited the burial site/memorial for the TWA passengers in Flagstaff, about 4 hours from where I live.

  • @jkt3andme
    @jkt3andme 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Your voice is so nice and soothing to me! Very relaxing. I enjoy your videos, usually watch in bed while trying to fall asleep. Glad your channel popped up for me to check out. ❤

  • @Tikibunss
    @Tikibunss ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Your production value is always fantastic, but this video is exceptionally so. Amazing as always, Chloe!

  • @cookdb1
    @cookdb1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent presentation!

  • @TheBritishAreCoooming
    @TheBritishAreCoooming 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You videos are exceptional, thank you for making them. Please keep up the good work!

  • @academictrailers3010
    @academictrailers3010 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent work as usual - really enjoyed this one - but of course, very tragic for all those involved. Keep up the excellent work. :)

  • @Rickbone1055
    @Rickbone1055 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    One of the best videos you’ve made so far imo. I love your content!! Keep it up!!!

  • @liamwhiteley2136
    @liamwhiteley2136 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just today I was looking to see if you had done a video on this incident. Well what perfect timing!

  • @kevwatson7965
    @kevwatson7965 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks!

  • @skunkrat01
    @skunkrat01 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Amazing visuals DB! Always thought they were good, but you really outside yourself.
    It's crazy to think they were excited about LA to NY non stop, when Qantas just started Perth to London non stop!
    Just thinking about that makes my head spin thinking about what air travel will be like in another 70 odd years!?!?
    We've gotta be to the moon regularly by that point, surely? What do other people reckon?

  • @nysockexchange2204
    @nysockexchange2204 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The odds of two planes striking each other in the vast sky seems so remote yet there have so many collisions. Which makes me wonder just how many close calls there have been kept from the public. Perhaps I don't want to know?

    • @NemesisFromResidentEvil
      @NemesisFromResidentEvil ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Don't forget aircraft have to follow waypoints in the sky, kinda like a road

    • @GeeBee909
      @GeeBee909 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Both planes also took off from the same airport (LAX) only minutes apart, only to crash together over another state

  • @birdbrain4445
    @birdbrain4445 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The Connie is such a beautiful and remarkable machine, groundbreaking too; it really is iconic for a reason.

  • @joecombs7468
    @joecombs7468 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I have always felt the investigation into this collision and the investigation into the second loss of a de haviland comet 1 from structural failure marked the beginning of modern air crash investigations.

  • @PlurFW29
    @PlurFW29 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    One of your best videos, great job!

  • @therealajnelson
    @therealajnelson ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm not sure if it is morbid to say so, but this is probably my favorite air-crash scenario. I don't know if it's because it takes place in the "golden-age" of flying, the two aircraft involved (I'm a sucker for the Connie), or the challenges the investigators faced with such limited tools and resources at their disposal. It is all just incredibly fascinating to me. Thanks for such a great video

  • @AntoniusTyas
    @AntoniusTyas ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Little fun fact: When an episode of Mayday discussed the Grand Canyon mid-air collision, Cpt. Jack Gandy was portrayed by Stephen Bogaert, the narrator of Mayday for US television. Only the second time he played role as both narrator and actor in one episode, the other being American 1420, where he played F/O Michael Origel. Just one interesting thing that I just found out recently rewatching that episode...

  • @AudieHolland
    @AudieHolland ปีที่แล้ว +2

    One more illustration of how flying was much more dangerous during the post war period till the present time.
    Koene Dirk Parmentier was a top KLM pilot.
    He and his crew won the 2nd place in the famous London-Melbourne Air Race (1934) and they flew a regular DC-2 passenger liner, instead of a specially modified 'racing plane.'
    During World War II, he flew passenger DC-3s on the dangerous Lisbon - Bristol route. Dangerous because the planes were sometimes intercepted and fired upon by German fighters.
    When his flight was attacked by six German fighters April 1943, Parmentier managed to evade the attackers and landed the damaged plane safely in England, miraculously without any casualties onboard.
    Having lived through the war, escaping death a few times, Parmentier went back to flying for KLM after the end of World War 2.
    Three years later, Parmentier tried to land in bad weather at Glasgow Prestwick Airport but flew into power lines, resulting in the plane crashing into a hill. All crew and passengers died (40).

  • @RealButcher
    @RealButcher ปีที่แล้ว +1

    We, my parents, sisters and brother, flew many times with that "Best 3-engined plane (Super Conni). Between Holland and Colombia Bogota / Ecuador Quayaquil..
    The Super Connie had fuel tanks at the wing tips. And we were pampered as children, loved it. We got silver and gold wings...
    I flew back to Holland for the last time with the Super Connie, from Quayaquil, via New York.We had a change of planes to a new DC-9.
    I think it was 1963? And we were trapped in New York due to a snow storm.
    BTW There was a plane crash at takeoff.
    Had to stay in a hotel. First time color TV I saw AND thousands of channels. LOL

  • @Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaade-Out-Again
    @Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaade-Out-Again ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Chloe , you describe the story so well , it’s very easy to imagine,
    You should make podcasts ❤️
    Really enjoy watching and looking at your videos
    Tony 🥂

  • @thomaspiedmont
    @thomaspiedmont ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Great work Chloe! One of your best videos 👍🏼
    Also, would you consider to make a video about the crash or Santa Bárbara Airlines flight 518? It's a very sad and unfortunate case of neglicence, with very factors contribuiting to it (pilot error mainly)

  • @jacekatalakis8316
    @jacekatalakis8316 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The story of how flight recorders came to be and more to the point, accepted, is fascinating in itself as well too, as an aside.

  • @philvanderlaan5942
    @philvanderlaan5942 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Just discovered your channel, love it despite a fear of flying. How about some stories about the heroes who saved their aircraft or at least the majority of their passengers. Such as the Gimli Glider ( Air Canada 143)
    Also maybe some military stories such as the loss of the USS Akron and USS Macon

  • @mikemck4796
    @mikemck4796 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The midair over California with a fighter jet was an interesting one as well.

  • @suzzannegabel1636
    @suzzannegabel1636 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The idea of pilots just flying wherever they wanted on a whim is mind-boggling in this day and age. May I suggest doing a video about the B-25 bomber that flew into the Empire State Building on July 28, 1945?

  • @neatstuff1988
    @neatstuff1988 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As the airline pilot myself this accident is Puzzling. The united pilot would not want to bank while changing altitude in an effort to avoid t w a because of exactly what happened. The united wing chopped off the tail of the t w a plane Because it was in a Bank angle. I think hes the best bet would have been to pull up. Instead of Pushing down. Fantastic changes did come out of this accident so we can be thankful for that

  • @jarigustafsson7620
    @jarigustafsson7620 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That was incredible work from investigators to solve what happend without any blackboxes.

  • @AlternateCesarT
    @AlternateCesarT ปีที่แล้ว +1

    back in aviodome in the netherlands i saw a KLM connie. it was a marvel of how she looked. she looked yust like back in 1951.

  • @robinwells8879
    @robinwells8879 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Today’s amazing flight safety record came at a heavy price but is a fitting and enduring memorial to those who didn’t make it.
    I recall my father recounting the story of a wonderful scheduled flight in the sixties that he enjoyed from I believe Glasgow to Belfast where the pilot came over the intercom and said “it’s a lovely day and so we will make the flight low level”! He did and it was much enjoyed by all accounts 🤫

  • @jorgemoro5476
    @jorgemoro5476 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Showing my age but I flew in a Constellation when I was 5. It was and still is a gorgeous aircraft.

  • @Caracaraorangeberry
    @Caracaraorangeberry ปีที่แล้ว

    this is the fourth air crash investigation channel featuring this crash in the last month- this channel covered it best.

  • @oscargeorge1
    @oscargeorge1 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    "Super Constellation" (and the endearing short version "Connie")... could there be a better model name ever?!

  • @jamesturner2126
    @jamesturner2126 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That "certain demographic" line earned you a like. New Yorker 💙✊🏿

  • @annabethchase2569
    @annabethchase2569 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    There were another 2 mid air collisions just in the past few months - the Texas air show collision from November and the Boulder air collision between 2 small planes in September (Not sure about dates)

  • @sniperguyAZ
    @sniperguyAZ ปีที่แล้ว +2

    1,000 on top still exists its just for private vfr planes at lower altitudes

  • @pooryorick831
    @pooryorick831 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ironically, the accident that replaced the Grand Canyon accident as the most deadly in USA history was again a midair collision involving The Connie. I would love to see an episode on that accident.

  • @jimpern
    @jimpern ปีที่แล้ว +1

    To date, the last midair in flight between two large airliners in the U.S. occurred in December 1965 between a TWA 707 and an Eastern Constellation. Fortunately the 707 landed safely and the Connie made a semi-controlled crash landing, and only 4 people lost their lives. U.S. midairs since have involved either military aircraft or general-aviation aircraft. P.S. regarding the graphics used here: the DC-7 had four-bladed propellers.

  • @byronharano2391
    @byronharano2391 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The tricycle landing gear moved passenger aviation forward by leaps and bounds. Tail-dragers were no longer sought after as regular scheduled passenger aircraft. Beautiful aircraft shown here. Lockheed today builds Naval ships as well. Wonderful

  • @Clementinewoofwoof
    @Clementinewoofwoof ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Seriously hope you make a music playlist, this stuff is almost movie quality

  • @blakhorizon915
    @blakhorizon915 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good video, I've heard of this incident but never quite understood what happened till now.

  • @de-fault_de-fault
    @de-fault_de-fault ปีที่แล้ว +8

    TWA: can we go to 21,000?
    ATC: no
    TWA: ok we’re going visual then. (climbs anyway).
    The aviation equivalent of “you’re not my real dad.”

  • @jenjay71
    @jenjay71 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you very interesting and full of facts. Love the way you put the name of the music 🎶 you use too! 👍 😁

  • @elfenmagix8173
    @elfenmagix8173 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It is rather unfortunate that a similar accident would occur over NYC 4 years later on December 16,1960 involving an United Airlines DC-8 and a TWA Lockheed Super Constellation. I would recommend that this be your next up and coming video as the two have so many strange coincdiences.
    As for this accident, I forget who did it but there is a youtube simulation showing the cockpit POV of both planes. Though the TWA could not see the United plane until the last few seconds, the United plane could see them off to their right front during the whole time. Not placing blame on anyone here, both were at the wrong place at the wrong time.

  • @FunnyBoneMan69119
    @FunnyBoneMan69119 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Little amounts of wreckage are still at the crash site and on sunny days, they can sometimes be seen.

  • @MontoyaGamer1_Entertainment
    @MontoyaGamer1_Entertainment ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Will you do the United DC8 and TWA Super Constellation in 1960?