What you need to HEAL A BETRAYAL: do not attempt the process without these two things

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  • Working though a betrayal is extremely difficult. It will likely take considerable time, energy, and expense, and there is no guarantee that it will work. Therefore, it is reasonable to expect at least a decent prognosis before setting out. In this episode, I will discuss the two things needed to heal a betrayal, such that -- if either one of these things is missing -- there's frankly little hope of a successful resolution.
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  • @Angell_Lee
    @Angell_Lee ปีที่แล้ว +361

    You will save years of your life if you follow this: "When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time." Maya Angelou. Blessings xo

    • @AutumnTrees
      @AutumnTrees ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Truer words never spoken. Learned this lesson the hard way. As Orion says in this video, it takes both parties to heal a betrayal to stay in relationship. Believe the other who demonstrates he doesn't want to do that, no matter what you want to believe to the contrary.

    • @rizzed_out_puppy
      @rizzed_out_puppy ปีที่แล้ว +8

      People can change

    • @Angell_Lee
      @Angell_Lee ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@rizzed_out_puppy I've almost lost my life thinking that, until I learned about the dark triad (narcissism, sociopathy and psychopaths). Knowledge is power. Those manipulators play games for years, giving just enough hope to stay with them, but oh the tragedy that happens behind the veil that they don't want you to see. Your intuition never lies, I've escaped and have been drug free since I don't need to numb myself from the abuse anymore. :)

    • @ytcensorship8180
      @ytcensorship8180 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rizzed_out_puppy of course they can change but they also can change new habits to old habits.

    • @anthonyjames4285
      @anthonyjames4285 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@rizzed_out_puppy very few actually do.

  • @carlosferreira5709
    @carlosferreira5709 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

    Betrayal is the most damaging development that can happen to a relationship. There is no turning back from a break of faith.

  • @atrohadff
    @atrohadff ปีที่แล้ว +115

    Th paper folding analogy hit home. Being betrayed against did last a lifetime, although I was happy in the relationship an element of distrust remained for +45 years.

  • @YouilAushana
    @YouilAushana 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

    You said my favorite words, 'pushing them away and starting over is easier'. These sick bastards just says, 'forgive and forget'.

    • @StrongBodyandMind33
      @StrongBodyandMind33 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Huh?

    • @citichic2311
      @citichic2311 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That’s good advice but if you been betrayed by some you love and trust. It’s going to be hard to open up and trust again. It’s possible for sure just with time. Once you get pass the shock and hurt.

    • @cdrmt3229
      @cdrmt3229 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Forgive and forget is the person who committed the transgression looking to run from the accountability and responsibility of what they did. They want forgiveness and for the past to be in the past? Walk away or you will be back in the hurt locker. Again.

  • @innavision1920
    @innavision1920 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    Betrayal of trust is just about the worst thing someone can do. As a man, my integrity is my foundation in life, but my experience with women is that they can’t comprehend what integrity is and how to appreciate a man who has it. Even when you don’t want her back and move on, high odds the woman is too cowardly to even apologize knowing she is in the wrong. I hate the fact that it has to be this way, but reality is harsh and bridges have to be burned sometimes and it’s often with people you thought would be in your life a long time

    • @jimallen8186
      @jimallen8186 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      He did a video about not apologizing. The in lieu of apology is quite interesting.

    • @jacdi5354
      @jacdi5354 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      That is exactly how I feel about men. I guess God doesn’t pair people with integrity often. Which explain why only 20% of couples find real happiness. Trusting again is so hard after the heart is broken by the person you loved and trusted.

  • @LittleMew133
    @LittleMew133 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    I feel like betrayal stays with you, like forever. No matter who it is done by. Always in the back of your mind.

    • @msc8382
      @msc8382 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Then that comes from a scarcity mindset. You're afraid of losing something the next time. Its a bit for control. Its a way to tell yourself: "Hey.. these things happen.. and it'll hurt". You're looking into the future to deal with a problem of the past.
      You can heal from it in three ways:
      - Be honest with yourself, accept it really (you might have been weak or blind, you've now learned that wisdom in the form of a 'voice')
      - Let it go (A specific person betrayed you, not an entire group. Make sure you don't generalise.)
      - Setup protective behaviour; don't think about it, but deal with it as it happens.
      Good luck! I hope you can shake your feeling of betrayal. Not everyone is out to get you. Besides.. sometimes betrayal is a consequence of the betrayer being incompetent. Give them the opportunity to make it up before you move on. The world is too small for 7 billion people to always just move on. Sometimes healing means strengthening yourself.

    • @gregoryritchie7852
      @gregoryritchie7852 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Absolutely right!

  • @MaybejustNarbe
    @MaybejustNarbe ปีที่แล้ว +82

    Wonderful. I do think it’s best to move on. I heard somewhere that relationships are meant to teach us a lesson, not keep us comfortable. After betrayal, I don’t think it’s bad to evaluate the lessons learned about yourself, your triggers, your healthy or unhealthy reactions, and just move on. Do we really trust or respect as much as we did after a betrayal?

    • @mariomallet1824
      @mariomallet1824 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Great insight 💖

    • @ytcensorship8180
      @ytcensorship8180 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      everything about betrayal is "fool me once shame on you , fool me twice shame on me"
      that's all you need to learn.

    • @YellowKing1986
      @YellowKing1986 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      If betrayal means girl cheating on you, then moving on means kickin her to the streets where shw belongs.

    • @MaybejustNarbe
      @MaybejustNarbe ปีที่แล้ว

      @@YellowKing1986 no one owes anyone anything

  • @ArthursAtman
    @ArthursAtman 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

    Honest thoughts, thanks. My personal boundary is one step more extreme than "betrayal is final": if she admits to cheating on nearly every boyfriend she's ever had, it is nothing but narcissism on your part to assume you are the exception--she will do it again. Made that mistake before

    • @bradleywesterford3587
      @bradleywesterford3587 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      same. she always swore that she had 'learned her lesson' and 'didn't want to be that kind of person' but eventually she cheated on me as well.

    • @ArthursAtman
      @ArthursAtman 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for your honesty. I wish this was not true. But I'm afraid it is true: once a cheat; always a cheater. There is something selfish about them I dunno@@bradleywesterford3587

    • @ArthursAtman
      @ArthursAtman 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I feel that pain. Sometimes life is a game of who you put your faith in, b/c it always requires faith (trust). Wish I would have listened to my intuition more@@bradleywesterford3587

    • @ArthursAtman
      @ArthursAtman 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@bradleywesterford3587 I feel genuine empathy--I've been a sucker too. And I don't feel like it was all "all if fair in love n war" type of thing...like certain chicks I've been with could have been far more fair (just), far more forward-facing and honest than they were and that shit is on them...naughty ladies, shoulda treated me better for sure

  • @user-rj4xl5bl2s
    @user-rj4xl5bl2s หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Looking back over the years there were many smaller moments of betrayal leading up to the cheating betrayal. He was always betraying me . That is the kind of man he is. My betrayer, not my protector. That is simply his nature.

  • @mobilemcsmarty1466
    @mobilemcsmarty1466 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    well done here Orion, in about 6min you've described a central issue in life. I think there's a roll of dice here. you can either choose to repair the relationship with a known traitor (like de-creasing the paper) or start a new one with someone you can't tell whether they're going to be a traitor or not.
    what to do? I'll say be resilient.
    expect betrayal. be able to survive it. even if you wish to make the effort to repair you can then survive it again and then definitely not revisit that one. go for a new one? great, only you won't know they'll betray you until they do. the answer is the same- be resilient 😎

  • @L6FT
    @L6FT 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Thanks. This is helping me heal and move on. Without sincere repentance what is there then to build on? Nothing short of that is good enough.
    I realise that I can forgive her jumping on another guy, since I had not been clear in my feelings and needs, which caused her a bunch of anxiety, fundamentally a dishonesty within myself which transfered into the relationship.
    However what I can't forgive without a sincere apology is that she lied to me after leaving, saying they were "just friends", that still eats me up inside, and am not sure if I can get over. It eats me up seeing women flaunt their sexuality and fuck around so much,when expecting romance and loyalty. I fundamentally don't trust women as they want to be seen as innocent, then display selective memory and definitions of intimate relations. I think dishonesty runs deep in society. Happy faces that aren't happy, provocative appeal which isn't innocent.
    An honest hooker in my view has more integrity than a dishonest partner.
    Are marriages for love or money? Money, energy, power. I hate being cynical, I want to trust. I want mutuality. Love is unselfish however but cannot flourish in a stagnant or unsafe environment.
    Unclear boundaries, definitions and emotions create trouble.
    Be brutally honest with oneself (which is hard if not properly intuned with emotions) and establish boundaries ASAP.

  • @johnstewartBr3X1T
    @johnstewartBr3X1T ปีที่แล้ว +17

    I think this can be generalised to any kind of relationship. I definitely am not going back. Onwards, upwards! 👍💪

  • @RobertRod818
    @RobertRod818 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    have gone through this before. After betrayal we stayed together for years, it was great at times, but it was also hell. You can forgive, but the pain will always be there, and you will not forget.

    • @zombielandiii2711
      @zombielandiii2711 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Hello sorry for asking... I'm entering the second year and is as you described. Can you tell me how many years you have with your partner after the betrayal? Any advice? It's so soon for me and I really feel like Gollum. Some days I want to keep going and sometimes I feel like throwing all through the f*cking toilet to hell.

  • @drcrocodile1
    @drcrocodile1 ปีที่แล้ว +67

    Betrayals are especially difficult to heal when a woman does the betraying. Men and women cheat for different reasons, and a woman cheating is much more likely to end a relationship, even if the couple goes to therapy.

    • @reginasemenenko148
      @reginasemenenko148 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      Cheating is a non-negotiable for us and we've talked about it at length. Once a cheater, always a cheater. Cheaters are liars and cannot be trusted.

    • @_..____
      @_..____ 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      "Once a cheater, always a cheater." Many cheaters will do it once, and never again. It's a case by case basis @@reginasemenenko148

    • @DragonDevil100
      @DragonDevil100 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      real

    • @eQuariuz
      @eQuariuz 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Men and women are different in so many ways. This is such an obvious truth.

    • @jayak8217
      @jayak8217 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Being a man is not an excuse for not having integrity, stop with the nonsense

  • @miesanderson3408
    @miesanderson3408 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It’s refreshing to hear this reality about betrayal and the effort and commitment to (only possibly) heal it.
    Thank you. For once someone finally speaking the truth about betrayal.

  • @music-jj2pl
    @music-jj2pl ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I stopped at 45 secs in. I wouldn't salvage the relationship just move on. good luck to anyone that does try.

  • @genovinchenzo4237
    @genovinchenzo4237 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Hell no. As a man, that is super disrespectful. A woman can’t love a man she doesn’t respect. All I want as a man in a relationship, is loyalty. You don’t get purity in this modern era, so loyalty is the new purity. If a woman ever disrespects you, doesn’t have to even be full blown cheating-trash her-the relationship will fail eventually. Do not accept any woman on a exclusive basis that is not on your program, all about your future and life together. You are dealing with extremely damaged people for the most part-it’s not likely you will even find a decent partner. I have-but it’s bc I stick to these rules about respect

  • @user-jw1bl4hq9j
    @user-jw1bl4hq9j 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    You can’t heal a betrayal …..resent STAYS DEEP AND FOREVER .

  • @LisaMarie-eh7up
    @LisaMarie-eh7up ปีที่แล้ว +19

    This was a great explanation. I would like to add that if you’ve been betrayed, the forgiveness you’re trying to achieve isn’t really for the other person; it’s for yourself. Any feelings you hold on to aren’t hurting the other person nearly as much as they’re hurting you - it’s important for you to let them go. I say do the work to forgive (for yourself) and only then decide if you want to continue with this relationship.

  • @YellowKing1986
    @YellowKing1986 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Never stay with a cheater. Ever. It will keep happening.

  • @monikasolymos2396
    @monikasolymos2396 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I never asked for transparency. If I trust, I trust completely. I never knew his passwords, PIN kodes, anything, and I never needed them. I respected his privacy. Although I was completely transparent all the time. I gave him access to everything, I always told him everything, I had nothing to hide. Did he appreciate it? I thought he would some day, but he never said anything.
    If I start a new, I want to trust again. I don't want to check anything. I don't want to be suspicious. It makes life hell. I feel anyway if something is wrong. If someone can't be trusted, I don't even start.

  • @nathanbanks2354
    @nathanbanks2354 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I like the approach provided in "Surviving an Affair" which was written by a different psychologist, Willard F. Harley. It's similar, in that he agrees that it's toxic for the betrayed spouse to use the event to guilt the other person. It's different, in that he believes both people should be completely transparent to the extent that either can check the other person's phones. He says he's seen the approach work over a thousand times as long as people follow all the instructions.

    • @fivebooks8498
      @fivebooks8498 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Every marriage should have full access to each others phones and anything else even if nobody has cheated. That’s common sense.

  • @BasementBerean
    @BasementBerean ปีที่แล้ว +8

    So this video seems to have addressed betrayal in marriages or other long-term romantic type relationships? There's also betrayal in business, military affairs, close non-romantic friendships, employer/employee relationships, and more I'm sure. One very difficult aspect of betrayal (delivery to an enemy, abandonment in time of need) is that this often occurs during unusual circumstances that may never occur again. How do you trust someone going forward when in (this situation) they betrayed you, and (this situation) will likely never occur again?

  • @jakublanca5535
    @jakublanca5535 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    This channel should be seen much more, great content and easy to understand for opposite genders. Keep up the amazing job!

  • @benjaminstevens6043
    @benjaminstevens6043 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Well reasoned, executable, well defined components of a hard to demystify situation. Solid advice also to help you realize when somebody is using a mistaken action against you.

  • @PaulBosMusic
    @PaulBosMusic ปีที่แล้ว +6

    My insecure and jealous ex destroyed our relationship this way.
    Baseless accusations and recurring fights.
    At one point I told her that if she truly believed that I cheated, she should pick up and leave.
    That shut her up for a while, but her paranoia didn't stop and manifested in other ways like being hypervigilant of me "checking out" other women. Meanwhile, gaslighting me to check some women out but not others. Basically, she wanted to dictate who I could check out. Quarantine was our "happiest" and quietest time which I allowed me to make sense of things and rightfully break up with her. Things were happy only as long as there was no social contact with others...

    • @fivebooks8498
      @fivebooks8498 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If you are being accused of something you didn’t do by your spouse and it’s destroying your marriage then I suggest lining up a polygraph test. I checked into it and it’s about $700. Worth every penny to clear your name and save your marriage. Assuming you really didn’t cheat of course.

  • @pjuliano9000
    @pjuliano9000 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I found out my so-called wife never got a divorce and then tried to sneak one in after our child was born. She wasn’t able to complete filing in time before our marriage ceremony … and so we’re not married in the eyes of the law. I paid for her doctorate and many other things … Feels like Betrayal

  • @DD-tg8uc
    @DD-tg8uc 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    She didn't want to take responsibility nor any actions and even blamed me for not forgiving after half a year.

  • @shakaclub2614
    @shakaclub2614 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video! amazingly tough to work through everything necessary to communicate and heal.

  • @modehfy1352
    @modehfy1352 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Hey, just found your channel through Tribe of Men. Really appreciate the honesty and how unbiased you are. No choosing sides, just telling it how it is.
    Side note: when I use to make vids, at one point I used the same thumbnail for a series I did and simply changed the number as I went through the episodes. If you can get a few more thumbnails that differ the one you use now, I think the algorithm will help push your vids. The good thing is you change the text in the white box so that's helps.

  • @ladyshang4361
    @ladyshang4361 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    I'd also like to add that there has to be genuine repentance on the part of the transgressor. I've experienced betrayal in a friendship, not a romantic relationship, but it's true that it's easier to start over with someone new than to heal. Although I didn't cut off complete contact even though I considered doing so for a long time, I've changed her status from confidant to a distant acquaintance in a group. The reason is she isn't really sorry even though she has apologized, but it was the "I'm sorry if you felt hurt" apology, not for what she did. She thought I was being dramatic and bitter and holding a grudge. (The situation was that she is an enabler to a narcissist who bullied me (and others). She thinks the narcissist just has problems and that I'm actually the one at fault for "triggering" the narcissist's rage/outbursts/attempts to control others. When I explained it was abuse, the friend actually said to me, "You just THINK that is abuse" and "I never hold a grudge against others.") She knows we're not close anymore as I no longer tell her things and she's been very nice and good to me, but I don't engage closely with her. And even if I want her close friendship again, I don't if she's not genuinely sorry that she took the narcissist's side.

    • @041882
      @041882 ปีที่แล้ว

      I believe you made the right decision. This former friend sounds like a flying monkey. What's interesting is whether she'll come running to you when she gets burned by the narcissist.
      These enablers are often worse than the narcissist themselves. I'm sorry you went through that but I'm glad you stood up for yourself! Two of my in-laws are narcissists; they've tried to destroy my marriage six times so your story is very satisfying to hear.

    • @L6FT
      @L6FT 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I don't think it is as much about taking sides as it is about being heard and feeling understood which we all want. She may understand the transgressor on a deeper level, and thereby make "excuses" to try and explain their behavior, which they may have reasons for, but the fact is that you felt hurt and need acknowledgement of that to feel understood and have trust. The behavior and boundaries need to be clearly spelled out.

  • @iamaliveyoucantstopnow
    @iamaliveyoucantstopnow 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Love the interior of your home!

  • @ellenmax2826
    @ellenmax2826 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Respect is each party’s efforts to each other. On going hate has to be stopped.

  • @YellowKing1986
    @YellowKing1986 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Going through phone should be an open invitation in any romantic relationship. If the other party has problem with it they are not trustworthy.

  • @idlehourlinda6476
    @idlehourlinda6476 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Excellent summary of the responsibilities of both parties after a betrayal. Too often I've seen the injured party sink into righteous martyrdom, using their victim status as a retaliatory weapon. Your advice is spot on if both parties want a healthy relationship going forward.

  • @frankdavf4599
    @frankdavf4599 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks Doc. Going through the valley of the death.

  • @tancreddehauteville764
    @tancreddehauteville764 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    This is a subject that is different for different people - for example, many couples have open marriages, where external relationships are mutually tolerated. Also 'moving on' is a lot harder than it seems, especially when there are children involved, but what I have found is that even when the cheating has been grudgingly 'forgiven', the memory of the cheat never goes away for the wronged party and they will always resent the transgressor, even decades thereafter. This will just poison the relationship and make life miserable for both parties for as long as they stay together. Forgiveness has to either total and unconditional, or none at all. You can't half-forgive.

    • @kiddytube3915
      @kiddytube3915 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Anyone in an open relationship is not in any relationship.

    • @tancreddehauteville764
      @tancreddehauteville764 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kiddytube3915 Why?

    • @kiddytube3915
      @kiddytube3915 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@tancreddehauteville764 because open relationships are transactional by nature.
      You don’t love each other unconditionally. Simply put, if your partner wants to end the open relationship and go exclusive, would you change too?
      You are together because you are getting supply be it monetary or security whilst looking for emotional support and sex elsewhere. That’s just using and abusing your partner..

    • @tancreddehauteville764
      @tancreddehauteville764 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kiddytube3915 I think many non-open relationships are also transactional. You seem to be living in a Disney world, not the real one.

    • @kiddytube3915
      @kiddytube3915 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@tancreddehauteville764 yes never said it wasn’t the case.. as for open relationships, it’s all transactional. Both parties are abusing each other in some shape or form. Both parties would end the relationship if they decide to go monogamous with each other. So it’s not true love or unconditional love. So what’s the point? Just go your separate ways

  • @modickens1272
    @modickens1272 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    It's never the same whether you're the transgressed or transgressor and we all have been both at different times to different people. Either way its just not the same and certainly doesn't improve with time. The only way it might work is if one developed amnesia. Never try to put the toothpaste back into the tube.

    • @StrongBodyandMind33
      @StrongBodyandMind33 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Exactly. . And this goes for all those “religious folk who have faith in God”, as well

  • @Adiscretefirm
    @Adiscretefirm ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Why aren't therapists more interested in helping victims heal from a betrayal without tying it to reconciliation?

    • @RicardodeAbreu
      @RicardodeAbreu ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That's a choice for the betrayed, not the therapist. You can always say: 'hey therapist. stop saying that I should reconcile because I really killed the betrayer inside of me, so stop.

    • @reallue
      @reallue 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'd like to see more of this too. Even after ending that relationship, I can't get past this new, fundamental inability to trust another woman now

    • @agent1.618
      @agent1.618 หลายเดือนก่อน

      bc most therapists are women, and well 😏..

  • @bigbirdtoo
    @bigbirdtoo ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Could you do a video on betraying yourself? Or how to get over lost opportunities?

  • @picuart9881
    @picuart9881 ปีที่แล้ว

    My man ❤!

  • @Thomasp671
    @Thomasp671 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    NO !!!! Move On !!!!!

  • @monikasolymos2396
    @monikasolymos2396 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    When somwone is craving for freedom, don't suffocate him in a relationship. Letting go is mercy, no matter if he gets offended, and doesn't realise, that you make it with love for him, and for both of you. No matter how many years, how many children....etc. Take courage if you love him. But do it in an acceptable way and time, which can minimase the pain. If you are a snail, how doctor thought us, do it slowly, as a snail. Agree in time, within this or that will be done. Be honest, but not cruel. The responsibility for the damage is mostly shared. We can point our fingers, but what is the use of it, to make him our slaves as a punishment? Love is freedom, not a prison. One can only love freely.

  • @timkellyD2R
    @timkellyD2R ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It's just time to move on. Period.

  • @dahliafiend
    @dahliafiend ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Unfortunately I went through it with an older woman who seemed to define goodness and loyalty. She complained often of her ex cheating on her. So I went out of my way to be honest and transparent. After eight months I had strong suspicions. She looked me in the eye and told me a a series of lies. I accepted them, believed her. I was also madly in love with her and had she done what I thought, it would have devastated me. Two years went by and she became increasingly disrespectful eventually I moved out. I suggested counseling but she refused and put all the blame on me. Which I took hard. The person she dated after me was a trashy crack addict who stole 10k in just four months despite my warning her that he was no good. She took him to court and won 10k so I was right. It showed me she had no standards and no respect for me. Her next move was to marry a man 20 years older and a million dollars richer. She treats him respectfully from what I’ve seen and her lifestyle went from Low to upper middle class overnight. That’s when I started going through old emails. And dates of times I’d been suspicious as well as noticed a friend of hers on Facebook who had quite a lot of her attention going back as far back as us. She confessed finally to cheating with him repeatedly while my dad was dying before we lived together. She refused to apologize or be decent and just blocked me when I asked her how and why she thought that was something a 46 year woman does to a 36 yr old whose father is dying and loved you. And was told I was loved to. She disgusts me now. The hatred is consuming and I’m angry at myself for being such a poor judge of character. I never even saw any shame or regret or tears. She’d just used me. One last younger man before she married for money. I’m planning to move out of town so I never have to see her again. The lying and cheating was bad but the lack of apology or even asking for my forgiveness…I don’t have good words to say about her. I’d dated far younger women most of my life and made a mistake in judging her by her words not her actions. Pretty sure she has a personality disorder but am more concerned about why I accepted her bs. I’ve remained single and still haven’t found a way to trust women. Until I have a lot of money my feeling is history will just repeat and I’ll be used till someone better looking or richer comes along. Not all women are this way but the older I get the more I see the pattern and how prevalent it is for people to say they are one thing. While demonstrating they aren’t for real. When you’re not in love it’s very easy to see.

    • @paulds65
      @paulds65 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You moved out. Why did you feel the need to stay in contact with her, go through old emails etc.etc? You should have ghosted her and move on with your life. Women never apologize, Orion also has a video on this. When I broke up with my ex LTR I completely cut contact and moved to another continent to start over. Read unplugged alpha by Rich Cooper.

  • @anewlifestirring
    @anewlifestirring 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very helpful. The only way to repair is read the reality and to start on new modus vivendi on new basis.
    In my experience, such a process definitely needs a long term accompaniment by a neutral mediator.
    No one can be judge and party at the same time and at times family life needs a referee.

  • @mariomallet1824
    @mariomallet1824 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you 💖

  • @sgtstadanko880
    @sgtstadanko880 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    spread the word

  • @andyfranks1575
    @andyfranks1575 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've seen someone go through this process. It's very hard and it takes a shitload of work. From BOTH parties.

  • @constantinnescu1564
    @constantinnescu1564 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I was in this situation and I know what this plague is. Is about obosite of validation, îs like loosing the șelf value, speaking as smv. So, the first instinct îs the regain your value and this guide you to go outside. Only the non confident ones will consider a conceling becouse by folowing this way, your atractioness will even get lower, so even if your partner will accept to play the negative role, the atraction between you two will be fucking zero, and this can not be negociated, neither claimed. I think, ask your genitals. Will they get hot ? Will you get aroused ? And if yes, then enjoy, but if not , move on.

    • @GrubKiller436
      @GrubKiller436 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      My genitals literally cannot even be attracted to her anymore because she betrayed me. When I think of her, I don't think of sex. I just feel worriness, depression and betrayal.

  • @toinedenteuling9864
    @toinedenteuling9864 ปีที่แล้ว

    Betrayel happends in expetations of a commitment.. hounesty, whatever the outcome may be, is the biggest respect you can give to your partner..

  • @Scott21
    @Scott21 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The ending of this made me think about how messed up the prison system is

  • @josephmontjoly5211
    @josephmontjoly5211 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Merci beaucoup !

  • @tequilachanel7312
    @tequilachanel7312 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is the one thing I’ve always questioned. Also the one reason I’m in the fence about marriage. Because if someone cheats on me my immediate response is to leave I see no reconciliation after that because I’m not a cheater. So idk how ppl do it 😭 love isn’t enough for me.

  • @Atclav
    @Atclav 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What I have learned is some people just don’t know how to coexist with a partner. Birthing order, trauma from their past, acknowledged or denied. Find out who can coexist with you and all your baggage and be mindful. Don’t talk about being mindful. Don’t explain why you are mindful just do it Once you talk about it the other person will almost always think about it and wonder if you are being honest.

  • @lilbroomstick7914
    @lilbroomstick7914 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The TH-camr who goes by “AMS” I believe has a great philosophy for him receiving value after she the transgressor has violated the trust and would like to restore trust

  • @brandonmontgomery7461
    @brandonmontgomery7461 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I love your content! You have helped me realize much more about human motivation with your videos, Thank you for bringing your expertise to the world Dr. Taraban

  • @SnapshotPT
    @SnapshotPT ปีที่แล้ว +2

    a waste of time to even consider "healing" what is already broken

  • @carlospita6442
    @carlospita6442 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    Women initiate most breakups, they always line up a replacement before they dump you. Guys never get married

    • @jackdeniston59
      @jackdeniston59 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      cause most breakups

    • @innavision1920
      @innavision1920 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      There’s always someone on the bench she’ll have start over you and take your position

  • @Deury._mota02
    @Deury._mota02 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yes video watched

  • @fishstickbio594
    @fishstickbio594 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    How do you measure honesty ?

  • @zombielandiii2711
    @zombielandiii2711 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hello Dr, thanks for this. Can you please give some advice on what to do or how to deal with, if i have to stay with the perpetrator a little longer before i have the possibility to leave. This is very difficult for me to handle but i have to for various reasons. Really hope and will be very thankful if you can share some advice.

  • @ryan6465
    @ryan6465 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    leave the person as soon as possible. Thats the only way

  • @andrewphillips969
    @andrewphillips969 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    How dare the betrayer ask for anything

  • @jimallen8186
    @jimallen8186 ปีที่แล้ว

    What about outside a romantic context in which one has competing obligations? What should the betrayed do, how should the betrayed see the betrayer if the betrayer simply had to choose one obligation over another?

  • @Sironil
    @Sironil ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Very interesting and helpful.
    How would the approach differ when a child has been betrayed by a parent. As in that case moving on and strarting over with a new parent isn't possible and the perpetrator has much more leverage over the victim?

    • @JohnBrown-ig5nc
      @JohnBrown-ig5nc ปีที่แล้ว

      Is it possible to cut ties with the parent?

    • @oriontaraban6169
      @oriontaraban6169 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      You can't ever have a different biological parent, but you can choose your family as an adult. At that point, any leverage the perpetrator has is psychological and can be working through.

    • @aek72
      @aek72 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      As a parent of such a child ( betrayed by the other parent) I can say that although the perpetrator is willing to jump through all the hoops, the child (19 now) has no inclination of giving any space. Unfortunately. I think it will require many years of “ adulthood” to genuinely forgive and create a new relationship with the parent

    • @Sironil
      @Sironil ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@oriontaraban6169 That's pretty much what happened in this case. Thanks for the reply.

    • @StrongBodyandMind33
      @StrongBodyandMind33 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It’s not the same

  • @adamswierczynski
    @adamswierczynski ปีที่แล้ว

    Maybe this is a fool's errand, and a sign that the relationship is wholly unsalvageable, but if there are repeated betrayals which are only brought up when all pleas for cessation have failed to show that recidivism has occurred, is that toxic?

  • @MeetJackBlack
    @MeetJackBlack 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I couldn't do this.

  • @MarijuanaNirvana-lofi
    @MarijuanaNirvana-lofi ปีที่แล้ว

    Is relapsing on heroin and cheating on your partner the same thing? Are both a betrayal?

  • @monforttransport
    @monforttransport ปีที่แล้ว +1

    But what If you have a family with this person

  • @nichokp
    @nichokp 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    interesting.. in my situation i don't even do somethings wrong, but the trauma from the past makes the girl thinks i will do bad things in the future. wdyt about this situation?

  • @Balloushop13
    @Balloushop13 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think…I’m good now.

  • @ellenmax2826
    @ellenmax2826 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wester culture may not be familiar with this: if a villain slap on a man’s right face, the man sides his head for a moment to compose himself calmly, then the man offers the villain his left face ( for the villain to slap ) …. And why? The scholarly philosophy states: ‘ it is to agitate the villain’s sense of shame. ‘ But a villain is a villain that such philosophy could never work.

  • @michaeltackney6376
    @michaeltackney6376 ปีที่แล้ว

    I can forgive my partner of 20+ years of marriage, although I cannot forget. It now seems that I'm paying more than the (may I I say) guilty person. Maybe I'm just too late scared to leave?

  • @YaboitheCadian
    @YaboitheCadian ปีที่แล้ว

    There is a problem I'm having. How do I work out the damage and not project it onto a new partner? She has never hurt me yet I cannot stop seeing signs that aren't there all the time.

    • @zombielandiii2711
      @zombielandiii2711 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It was an error to start a new relationship to Begin with if you won't have yet overcome problems of the past. You're contaminating the new one, with residues from the Last one. Now if you're there already, focus all your thoughts in her and the new moments. Instantly suppress any bad thoughts with a kiss, a hug or remember a beautiful moment with her. ( All of this cant be for your convenience to forget, instead they have to be acts of joy and genuine love) Whatever you do, dont tell her that you're struggling trying to forget your past. She will instantly recent and distrust you and she's going to be right to do so. Respect your new partner.

  • @erlkonigschubert
    @erlkonigschubert ปีที่แล้ว

    I subscribed doc
    I have

  • @edwardyoutube
    @edwardyoutube ปีที่แล้ว +7

    A man's betrayal happens in the overwhelming majority of times due to the biological need for variety. A woman's betrayal, on the other end, happens typically when she looks down on you and will often involve feelings. If a woman cheats on you, and you're lucky enough to catch it, be aware that it may not have been the first time and for sure it's not the last time. A relationship is simply too weak to go anywhere once a betrayal occurs, particularly if the woman was the perpetrator.

    • @MAMP
      @MAMP 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Great comment ^

    • @msc8382
      @msc8382 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      This is my version of your words, for those who would like to understand it from a different perspective (I added some of my own in it):
      In essence, men tend to be more focused on opportunities, while women prioritize values. It's crucial to understand that this doesn't negate the fact that both genders have values and opportunities; rather, it highlights our inherent tendencies. Its important to keep in mind that there are people (like me) who do not follow the natural pattern of gender expression, and may express themselves as masculine (opportunities) or feminine (values) while internally being the exact opposite. For example; what opportunity did I create by sending this message? Or what value am I trying to answer if I'm not chasing opportunities with this action? Its entirely possible you're a woman who loves creating opportunities, while you may be a man who just loves to hold and nurture a baby. Its unusual to see the extreme expression of one gender in that of the other, but the thought processes are there regardless.
      Unfortunately, many people struggle to see things from the other's perspective, hindering effective communication and collaboration. This stems from our natural inclination towards either opportunity or value orientation, making our priorities differ. The key here is that the difference of prioritisation also causes you to chase a different environment or presentation, and thus you get exposed to different skills and stereotypes. Ergo, it is likely that if you conform to a certain expression, that you indeed have a complementary thought pattern, not a deviating one. This is btw why neuro-divergence is difficult to deal with; you cannot tell how a thought or action deviates from the values you are exposed to.
      When a woman doesn't get what she wants, she perceives it as a lack of opportunity to provide value. Consequently, she might blame the man, deeming him low in value. On the other hand, when a man faces a shortfall, it's often a lack of perceived value, leading him to seek opportunities elsewhere. This distinction in mindset is rooted in different brain regions, causing varied thought processes.
      Men, facing a onset loss of value, may quickly move on, driven by a desire to safeguard opportunities by holding on for dear life to the values he has internalised. Conversely, women, confronted with a scarcity of opportunities, seek different avenues to showcase their values. If unsuccessful, they may become nurturing and open, attempting to create opportunities for themselves by providing value without a direct need for getting anything back. This difference in approach can result in men becoming more visible when they lose opportunities and women becoming more open to compensate for a lack of opportunities.
      In times of distress, men may close themselves off to protect their perceived value, while women may open up to create opportunities, even if it leads to a certain level of delusion. The absence of clear boundaries in opportunities can result in a loss of value or invisibility. This intricate interplay between opportunities and values influences how individuals cope and interact.
      Its unfortunate that we're not more free with sharing our values to one another.. for all our opportunities are limited by our resources, but our values has no such limitation.

    • @edwardyoutube
      @edwardyoutube 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@msc8382I think it's a good point.

  • @RichDatingDragon
    @RichDatingDragon 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    👍

  • @Ces845
    @Ces845 ปีที่แล้ว

    What would be categorized as “betrayal?” Seems very broad on the degree of offense

    • @reallue
      @reallue 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      He's primarily talking about cheating/Infidelity in a romantic relationship

  • @PharmacyTechLabs
    @PharmacyTechLabs ปีที่แล้ว +18

    As much as I love money, there is one thing I value more than all the money in the world, and that is trust. So if I'm in a relationship with a person and they betry me. It's over that person will never hear from me again. There's no need to apologize. I'm out! The only person I'd forgive is my father because he's my flesh and blood. I often think of him and wish him the best wherever he's at. Poor soul. But anyone else can go F themselves.

    • @psychacks
      @psychacks  ปีที่แล้ว +21

      Giving some people another chance is like waiting around for them to reload.

  • @ellenmax2826
    @ellenmax2826 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Asian people demonstrate endurance due to their culture heritage. But aggression towards such tolerance must meet consequences for the sake of its owe good and good for many others.

    • @GrubKiller436
      @GrubKiller436 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What do you mean?

  • @fatimasalie3911
    @fatimasalie3911 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think you should move on😮

  • @Savvynomad225
    @Savvynomad225 ปีที่แล้ว

    There are a ton of €|_|€|

  • @monforttransport
    @monforttransport ปีที่แล้ว

    It seems better to just leave the relationship because healing seems painful and lengthy.

  • @romany8125
    @romany8125 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This video is useless. Trying to convince people that healing is possible is giving out false hope. You have better chance at winning the lottery then at fully mending a relationship that one party had worked so hard to destroy.

  • @ralphy1989
    @ralphy1989 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Move on ! Completely a waste of your time

    • @josevelasco1388
      @josevelasco1388 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Mmm, no

    • @ralphy1989
      @ralphy1989 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@josevelasco1388 Waste all that time and energy to run the risk of them doing it again?

    • @ralphy1989
      @ralphy1989 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I did mean to move on with my original post dont stick around for that .

    • @josevelasco1388
      @josevelasco1388 ปีที่แล้ว

      @AuthenticMath Definitely easier said than done

  • @diggydumbo9294
    @diggydumbo9294 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ok
    Here is the deal
    There is one thing the transfressor can do to fix things
    Find a sturdy tree and a good rope
    You're in the wrong
    You have no morals

  • @NordicHyperborean
    @NordicHyperborean ปีที่แล้ว

    You literally just described the relationship of the black community to the white community in America today.
    The past problem, current problem, and the solution

  • @derek5168
    @derek5168 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's easy to deal with betrayal once you get past the anger you only have to realise it's a big world or city you live in with other opportunities

  • @davidrivera6599
    @davidrivera6599 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Lol just leave and find someone else

  • @hard2find359
    @hard2find359 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you ❤