1950 vs 1950T OLIVER. What's the Difference? with
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- It's a common question, what's the difference between a 1950 and a 1950-T? So by request, here's the answer. A big thanks goes out to @burningdinosaurs for filming his dad's 1950-T, since I don't have one.... yet.
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I was fortunate enough to grow up on a dairy farm in Wisconsin where we had one of each 1950 and 1950T. I wasn't as fond of the Detroit then as I am now. Hearing that Waukesha loping at idle and the whistle of that turbo took me right back. I loved that 1950T.
The 1955 really snorts
The biggest differance that nobody talked about between the 1950 and 1950t was under heavy working conditions that 1950t had a higher probabilty of throwing a rod through the side of the block! But that old Jimmy ran better under heavy load! Lol
Herman just wouldn't be himself without the screaming Detroit power and sound.
Nice job comparing the tractors. I’ll never get tired of listening to those 310’s.
Same here. I should do a comparison between the 310 in my 1800 and 1750. There's quite the difference between them.
I miss that Waukesha loping idle. My granddad had a 1955 FWA.
@That Oliver Guy - Chris Losey turbo kind of difference? Or something to do with fuel amount?
@@jakesfarm6790 the 310 in the 1800 has the indirect injection Lanova head, like the 88s had, and the 1750 has the direct injected 310. Same bore and stroke, but the head makes quite a difference in the sound.
I have a separate garage for my Corvette and I work on my cars and trucks in there. On Saturday’s my wife asks what i will be doing today. I say “play”. I think you might tell your wife the same thing.
Not only does it fire twice as often as a four stroke, but the blower is noisy as well. Conveniently, the turbocharged versions make them a bit quieter
Chris: another amazing tutorial! As a long time Oliver owner I learn new things every time you post; thanks.
Mine is a wheatland style with 3 point hitch and pto
I think the Jimmy power, had more draw bar horses power than the 310 Waukesha 🤷🏻♂️👨🌾
I looked it up, the Nebraska test shows the 1950 at a max drawbar of 98 horsepower and the 1950-T at a max of 90.
Never worked with a Detroit Diesel tractor but I've driven several trucks with 'em in the past 50 years. Don't miss 'em but I like to hear from far away. A few years I heard a DD fire up a good mile away. A local farmer was gaving some trees cleared & it waa on a skidder.
If you hear a Detroit around here in the winter, you know someone is getting some trees harvested.
The 1900 Cockshutt I remember had a GM Canada logo on the engine block. Always thought it was funny that it was the only tractor on the place that sounded the same as the big Champion motor grader that took care of the county roads. The 1850 was a Perkins, I think.
1 difference the T is cooler hahaha 🤣
1955 sounds nice. 👌
We had tons of the 4-53 detroits in pettibone forklifts in viet nam in 66 and 67
Rebuilt many of them when the guys over revved them
And the gear came off the oil pumps Coming down long
hills
I will admit, I've never enjoyed the sound of the screaming Detroit's. to me, just sounds like they're about to fly apart. Just never been a fan of the 2 cycle engine. Great video and thank you for the comparison between the 2. Cheers :)
why some the oliver have the front axle back under the motor is that for turn better
Yep.
Great comparison video, if i had a choice, i would go for the detroit diesel every time, i love that sound!!
I have JD and Massey Ferguson tractors and truly would like to get an Oliver tractor. which Oliver tractor do you recommend for mowing and bailing hay and which oliver do you reccomend for chopping corn silage? thanks
A 1650 or 1655 are hard to beat for thr mowing, baling, and general farm work. Chopping corn depends on how big your chopper is. An 1850 diesel might be a good choice for a 2 row chopper. A 2150 or 2255 would awesome for chopping, but they have gotten expensive as collector tractors.
@@ThatOliverGuyChris I appreciate your response.
Ah yes the screamin demon Detroit. A sound any diesel enthusiast loves to hear. Keep it rolling Chris
i h ave a 1859 t.
This past week a guy was getting facts about a airport fire truck(freaking huge, made by Oshkosh), so it could be sold via auction. So open the hood and written on the engine was Detroit series 92(think that's right). So found the engine model and determined it was a 2 stroke displacing over 12 litres over 8 cylinders. Monsterous motor.
We have a 1950 T love driving that tractor does our planting and running a new Holland 1038 bale wagon thanks for making the video
Our Oliver 1950 el toro has a straight pipe so you can imagine how it sounds and for you people who don't know what the el toro is it is the the 1950 with bigger pulling gears and some other things
That is a common misconception. The El Toro was any 4x4 Oliver shipped 'South of the Border' including New Zealand and Australia. No special gears, just a decal and four wheel drive.
No well our in later years it had the bigger pulling gears put in so I forgot to mention sorry my bad
Really good video Chris. Thanks for taking the time to put that together. That 310 turbo sound is amazing. I Oliver tractors were so ahead of their time. They really are amazing. I often think about what it would’ve been like if they just kept right on making tractors white never got involved and nothing changed. Imagine driving past the John Deere dealership and a couple miles down the road driving past the Oliver dealership today?
I sometimes wonder what they would look like. They would have had to incorporate technology to compete with the other brands. Styling would change, depending on which creative minds were in the engineering seat. Still, the meadow green and clover white would still be there. Truth be told, I'd rather go back to the Fleetline days, when a family owned dealership was not just a place to get equipment and supplies, but a social gathering point. When a farmer could feed his family and pay the bills off a couple hundred acres. I'd also leave myself a note to buy stock in a new company called "Apple" and to not grab that fence. It was electric.
@@ThatOliverGuyChris haha! Yes if only we could modify time. I remember going to local dealerships when I was a little kid, all the older guys would be in there drinking coffee talking about everything. I miss that and I think I just was lucky enough to catch the tail end of it
@@Adam_Poirier Our dealership had ice cream and pop. That was before my time, but the old timers still reminisce about it when I talk to them.
@@ThatOliverGuyChris Yeah if the walls could talk at your place imagine the stories? It’s been so busy this summer but I’m really I’m gonna do my best to get to the Floyd County Museum
@@Adam_Poirier A former mechanic stopped by a couple weeks ago, we had a good time talking about the good ol days of the dealership!
Love your videos look forward to watching them every week
Glad you like them! Thanks!
My wife's dad had a 1955 with cab. My favorite plowing tractor. Loved listening to it talk.
Gonna make one comment here in response to a couple other comments.
I believe technically, any of the motors made in the 53 and 71 series were always General Motor's Detroit Diesel Division. GM Diesel Division was for marketing and customer service. So the 53 and 71 series motors were built by Detroit Diesel Division, but marketed by GM Diesel Division. GM Diesel Division actually was responsible for Detroit Diesel and Cleveland Diesel. In 1962 the last bits of Cleveland Diesel Division got absorbed into Electro-Motive Division, the latter not being a part of GM Diesel Division. So in 1965 (right around prime Oliver 1950 time) GM Diesel Division got absorbed into the Detroit Diesel Engine Division, and then in 1970 Detroit Diesel consolidated with the Allison Division to make Detroit Diesel Allison. So in all honesty, you are correct calling any Series 53 or 71 either name regardless of when it was built, in my opinion of course.
I definitely agree that you should make a video of the sound comparison between the Lanova 310 on the 1800, and the direct injection 310 on the 1750.
As far as one of the worst sounding engines out there, I'm gonna be that unpopular guy....I'm gonna say that those JD 2 cylinders are up there for worst sounding engines in my opinion. I know they are super nostalgic for a lot of old timers, but dear lord I hate that sound....
Excellent collaboration video! And very informative, always fun to learn new Oliver facts.
Thank you for sharing all that info.
I've often wondered a JD 2 cylinder gets tuned since they never sound like they are running on all cylinders!
So Chris, since you don’t own a 1950T are we to assume you prefer the Detroit Diesel 1950 or that you haven’t come across a 1950T you’d like to own?
I'd like to have a T with FWA. I missed out on a nice one years ago when I went to an auction. There was an 1850 fwa that I wanted more and I only had money for 1 of them. The T sold first and the 1850 went high so I ended up with neither. I'm a patient guy, one will come along eventually.
Curious, do these six cylinder Olivers use a lot of diesel compared to your White/Agco tractors? Do you have to put any additives in your diesel fuel because of so many ingredients have been taken out of modern diesel fuel?
I think they are efficient, probably not as much so as a Cummins. I buy premium diesel and don't add anything to it, and have minimal troubles.
Excellent video it's nice to see the Oliver tractor comparison Herman sounds amazing
I think a 2-stroke diesel is really cool. I drive a turbo-charged diesel automotive (2003 VW New Beetle - before VW started lying when using the common-rail diesels). I sounds like your 1955, although NOT so deep! Deep enough people can tell it's a diesel though.
We had quite a few Olivers on tobacco farms in eastern N. Carolina. the detroit has a sound of its own.
Great video explaining how and why the differences of these units.
Keep up the great videos.
sure did, thanks for another great vid with melodious 2 stroke diesel sound!
One thing you do that I really appreciate is the serial tag info, thanks, I'm not huge into Oliver but like your content, how ever I do seem to work on more than a couple.
They should have stayed with the Detroit.
I have always liked the Olivers even though I have never owned or operated one. My question is Chris which one do you prefer and which is the most dependable? I have heard the 310's had some issues with head gaskets especially when turbocharged.
The turbo charged 310s were starting to push the envelope. The big problem was throwing rods. They're a good, snappy engine that can work hard, but they've also left more than one farmer stranded in the field. The Detroit is very reliable engine, those 2 stroke diesels powered America through the 50s into the 80s. As to which one I prefer, it's a tough call, but I'd go with the 310. It's the sound I grew up with, so I think nostalgia wins out on that one.
@@ThatOliverGuyChris The 310's had to have a good oil cooler, as you stated hot oil will take out an engine and leave you stranded in the field.
Thanks for the info. I was amused by the subject matter. Because I had just previouslly commented to my wife on a picture of our 4 yr old son sitting on our 1950. That was 32 years ago when I first got it. The comment was I couldn't believe 32 yrs had gone by. I still have it #192531
Chris. I am from south central PA. A local retired dairy farmer is a huge collector of antiques tractors, equipment and steamers. Particularly oliver and hart part oliver. U may have heard of him. David Bivens. Anyhow I have been showing him some of your content from time to time. His generation isn't into youtube etc as he is in late 70s.
The name sounds familiar. 65 and older is about 19% of my audience according to youtube statistics.
I'm old fashioned for 45 I guess. But I was born n raised on farm and we have always had the older equipment. I did finally break down n buy a new tractor in 2015 and it has been nothing but service work non stop of all kinds of computer controlled crap I cant diagnose. All this tier 4 emissions garbage is ruining tractors in my opinion
Hey Chris, there is an older gentleman that works for our local pioneer dealer. His Dad had Oliver tractors when he farmed. I always enjoy hearing his stories about them when he comes. He told me his Dad bought a new 1950T back in the day.
Cool!
Ok so now I wanna see a tugawar between that 1950 and that 1955. Let her rip 😹
23:27... And worth every second 👍
That is awesome that you and BD could put stuff together for the video!!!
Y should do something with Herman's ugly muffler, maybe a 5" Straight Pipe... Believe it or not, it might actually make him a little quieter..
Thanks for the video Chris and BD!!!
I was hoping he would do some talking, but he said he'd let me do it. Maybe next time I can get him to yak a little more.
@@ThatOliverGuyChris ya, surprised he was so quiet....lol
Great history lesson Chris. My father-in-law had a '69 1950T, that I found at the time at a Case dealership, in Huntington Indiana. He had problems keeping head gaskets in it. Found out the sleeves were not put in correctly in an overhaul. It was also turning 160 HP. Made pretty black smoke. He had it turned back to 130. It ran away with a 18' 271 disc. It whistled much like your 55.
Another good one Chris!! Very informative on the difference between the two tractors. I knew about the different tubs and that the Waukesha sat on a slight angle but I did not know the Detroit sat level in its tub. I like the way the 1950's sit alittle higher in the front, I think it looks good. GM did that on purpose with some of there muscle cars in the 60's/70's such as the Chevelle amd Nova.
I failed to mention that a 1950-T Wheatland front tub is much more like the 1950 tub, the engine sits level in it, too. With the wheatland front axle it still sat level.
@@ThatOliverGuyChris I cannot say I ever have seen a 1950T wheatland modell. I have seen 1950T 4x4.
There were some Wheatlands, but I bet the vast majority were Cockshutts. I thought there weren't any 1950-T industrials, but one turned up over in the Netherlands a year or 2 ago, found its way to the US and is in the hands of a collector now. I missed out on a very nice 1950-T FWA years ago. I wanted the 1850 FWA that was to sell after it, and didn't have money for both. The T went low and the 1850 went high, and I got neither.
@@ThatOliverGuyChris Isn't that always the way. I believe the tractor dr. Has a 1950T mfwd for sale online.
I wish there were more Oliver’s around me hear in Nc I wood love to have a 1950 becaus I love the Detroit’s
I'm just saying if you actually look at your comments I worked on a farm they had an Oliver Fiat I was wondering if you know what a Fiat was just wondering
I read all of the comments. Fiat is an Italian tractor and car manufacturer. Back in the 1960s Oliver had entered in an agreement with David Brown to produce utility tractors to be sold as the Oliver 500 and 600. That only lasted for a couple years, as David Brown wanted to enter the American market and didn't want to compete with their own tractor that Oliver was selling. That was when Oliver got together with Fiat to have them build utility tractors badged as Olivers. The first 2 models were the 1250 and 1450. Both were somewhat older designs and the 1250didn't prove to be the best tractor. Fiat updated it and Oliver called it the 1250-A. It was a much better tractor. There were several models produced over the years, even into the early times of the silver painted White models. At some point around 1980, the deal between White and Fiat ended, and White went with Japanese tractor manufacturer Iseki for their small tractors.
@@ThatOliverGuyChris I remember those Iseki tractors back when I was young (and they were new - both around 1980, lol). They seemed like really nice machines. Way smoother than the 2 cylinder Ford or Kubota of the day.
The worst thing about a Detroit diesel after a few hundred hours of use they were like an Harley Davidson
Motorcycle...they would mark their Territory/SPOT LIKE A DOG
I'd also add their ability to run backwards. A guy that worked for us told me how was pulling up a stop, and he thought he had stalled it, but it kept running. When it was his turn to go he let up on the clutch and the truck started going backwards! He had to shut it off and start it again to get it going the right way.
Yep great video bro but the cream on the top was hearing that magical sound from Herman. Safe travels
Looks like Herman eats front tires.
I drove a 1900 for my Dad back in HS and mom swore it was the reason for why she had to keep repeating herself.
Nice 8nformation, Oliver farmboy did a clip long ago on Oliver I. General.
What came of the one you snagged up about 2 yrs ago? Pulled it in w Herman I think.
It's been waiting, and is next now that the 1850 is done
Thanks for the education, Chris. Sure no comparison on the sound! LOL!!
Because of the 2 stroke they said you double the cubes so it would be equivalent to 428 cubic inch
A single air cleaner should be cheaper maintenance wise.
One thing I've always wondered is this. Why does the 310 lope so much at idle? I know its not something wrong as literally every 310 I've heard does it, but I just thought it sounded cool and was wondering why it did it.
Guess I don't have a solid answer for that. My guess would be the governor in the Roosa Master injection pump. Other brands of engines used the same pump, but I guess I haven't noticed it with them.
It's the governor on the Roosa master pump they will lope a bit at idle.
@@ThatOliverGuyChris I feel the olivers lope because the flywheel, crankshaft, rods and pistons are relatively light compared to say a John Deere and they also have a relatively short stroke. The John Deere 4010 and 4020 had basically the same injection pump but did not lope or atleast not as bad. The oliver Is a much more snappy engine than a John Deere which makes the governor weights more erratic.
I love seeing and learning about these old Oliver’s I grew up by where they were made and my grandpa was a foundry inspector
That's cool!
Any idea where I can get screens for behind the grill?
Korves Oliver has them.
Thanks I need one for my 1850 and for my 1650. Just replaced the oil cooler on in front of radiator and kinda of ruined the screen taking it out a lot
I'm sure you have been asked 100 times so mt apologies. Does Herman have a fresh paint job in his future. Souds great as always. Thanks for sharing your vast knowledge of Oliver Tractors with us
Someday he'll get paint. I like original paint, but his hood and side panels have been repainted. He's also missing some sheet metal that goes around the operator station, so I'd like to round all of that up before start restoring.
We had an 1850 Cshutt in a Canada 🇨🇦 the fenders were fuel tanks
That is a great video. Lots of information. Learned several things today
1950T is the blueprint for the 1955.
The information about why the engine is on an incline was awesome to learn the true reasoning of after having been asked by friends who are red fans and the only trail of info I had heard was that it was to keep oil from creeping up the live shaft and leaking? Also true?
I should have mentioned it goes back to the pipe cultivator days. Kicking the front of the engine up gave them room for the pipe without losing crop clearance.
Is that 4 or 6 cylinder
The GM is a 4 cylinder, the T is a 6
@@ThatOliverGuyChris thanks Chris always a huge help
Great explanation. We had a classic tractor ride this past weekend and I did a video and it is now up up on my channel. There was several really nice Olivers on the ride. Check it out if you get a moment.
I will. Thanks!
Yep that sounds like a Detroit unmistakable. love it
Nothing like a Screamin' Jimmy.
Good video! Really enjoyed it and the explanation of the two. Good job my friend!!
Thanks!
Hey Chris I have a 1971 1855 thing starts great and sounds great but has no power and lugs more than it should. The air filter is clean would you lean towards a bad turbo or timing?
Does it smoke much when it labors?
@@ThatOliverGuyChris yes it does
You can't beat the sound of screaming Jimmy. May be wrong but I was told at one time the 1950 was heavier than the 1950 T.
According to Tractor Data, the 1950 was about 1,000 pounds heavier than the T.
@@ThatOliverGuyChris That doesn't surprise me.
GM detroits were one of the first to be a real engine with common rail fuel system with roller rockers, and piston cooling jets way back in 1938. Blowers and the whole pressurized block system using slide ports was a simple design. and the heads only having 4 exhaust valves made it simple. but in the later years 70s-80s cat and cummins were a much better heavier built engine since GM detroit stuck with the 2 strokes way too long and they could not evolve.. . My question would be on the oliver industrials did they use the Hydrostat type trans or a a torque convertor for vari speed ??
They could be ordered with a reverser built by funk. It had a torque converter in front of it
@@ThatOliverGuyChris ok very interesting
Love the sound of both engines
I think they each bring something to the table. Which makes me think, somewhere out there is the world's worst sounding engine. I wonder what it is.
Can I ask how many tractor do you have all up
I think it's 45 now.
Im kind of new to the channel i was going to buy a 1750 but bought a 2-85 im told a 1850 is very similar and i have a chance to buy one my daughter loves your purple 1850 whats the difference lol im think you might see a few purple 1850 lol
The big difference is the hydraulics. The 2-85 has closed center, 1850 is open center. There's some things, like hydraulic actuated pto and brakes on the 2-85 that are mechanical on the 1850, but when it comes to the drive train, they're almost the same tractor.
@@ThatOliverGuyChris right on thank again your channel me and my 2 kids love waching thier only 2 and 4 they love herman 2 stroke detroit i have a 3-54 in a massey loader
That's awesome that you watch with the kids! Thanks for tuning in!
Nice looking corn. You could land a plane on that level field
I try to be modest, but looking at that field just makes me as proud as a peacock.
What is an. El Toro oliver?
While many think Herman is an El Toro, that's not correct. Any 4 wheel drive Oliver shipped 'south of the border ' got the El Toro designation. This included New Zealand and Australia. It didn't matter what size it was or what tires it had, any 4x4 model could be an El Toro.
@@ThatOliverGuyChris thank you for clearing that up for me. I thought any 4x4 with the Tera tires was an el Toro.. Love your video's by the way.
What is the red machine behind the 1950T? Are you changing sides Chris?
Great Video. I am feeling it may be time to do a Herman facelift. just like it came from the factory but with the Herman decal.
He's on the list. The nice thing is he will be mostly cosmetic. I've rebuilt his PTO, put in a new hydraulic pump, and updated the steering. I still want to go through the front axle and hydra power.
@@ThatOliverGuyChris I am going to send you a cd of farmers in the 50-60’s who bought Olivers from Chamberlain & Barclay in Cranbury NJ.
Awesome! Thanks.
Was just wondering what years and models did Oliver put the Perkins engine in
The only Oliver tractor with a Perkins was the 1850 diesel, built from 1964 to 1969.
@@ThatOliverGuyChris thanks had a friend that had one with the Perkins engine in it but I couldn't remember what size. We had a 1800 it was a really good tractor but we got out of farming and sold it. Thanks again
Herman sounds like a Greyhound bus. LOL!
How is the oil consumption/leakage on the Detroit?
And that sound goes past the hearing protectors I wore. That 1900 could pull all day as long as the rpm’s stayed up. We had a 3 point hitch.
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I still like the 1850 with the Perkins the best.
I would love to see you use your 1955 more love the engine grunts
There are some videos of it on here. Most of my corn is here at the home farm, maybe it can run some wagons this fall.
@@ThatOliverGuyChris also love the video content I grew up in Hebron ohio on my my uncles dairy farm and most of his equipment was Oliver tractors a 44 super 77 gas (workhorse lol) with tricycle front end they also had a diesel version of the super 77 but it blew up and traded it for a 770 and I will probably say that his pride and joy is his 1655 diesel power shift and tell you what he had a Ford 7000 and the 1655 could out pull or perform the 7000 by doing 2x the amount of work but later on he bought a deutz 130 06 fwa and I was so impressed with the deutz tractor I was about 12 or 13 at the time I asked if Oliver built the tractor lol
It seems like Olivers were popular with dairy farmers. I also think that's why 1655 fenders rot out. Too much manure.
@@ThatOliverGuyChris the fenders are quite good that was my seat on the 1655 and that tractor was rarely used to haul manure 77 or 770 in the winter the Ford 7000 was picked because of the cab like I said before I think that 1655 was or is his pride and joy lol
Excellent
Thanks
Thanks Chris.
Love the sound of screaming Detroit.
Great video!
A little back story-
I grew up on Olivers, never any Detroits, but got exposed to those engines at the local alfalfa dehydrator where I worked for four years as a teenager.
We had a fleet of Lowe and Champion self propelled choppers with 4-71s and 6V-71s, our 24' box straight trucks all had 6V-53s with Allison automatic transmissions.
The founder of the company had a 995 Ligmatic up until the late 60s that was used for plowing old alfalfa stands under and preparing and drilling new seedings.
I left the dehydrator in 2003 to go to college, they closed the next year.
I worked for the Detroit Diesel Allison shop in Des Moines with some old boys that started there when they got home from Vietnam, absolute 2 stroke gurus.
Those guys said that the reason for the change from GM Diesel to the Detroit Diesel name was because of marketing. GM had their heavy truck line, but their engines were popular with other brands and it was seen as a way to be more 'neutral', generic. Ford, IH, Kenworth, Pete, White, etc didn't have to market a competitor truck's name.
Thanks for all the excellent videos. If you're ever coming to central Iowa it'd be an honor to meet you. I've learned a lot from you.
Thanks for the info on the engines!
What a contraption . No wonder they're out of business.