Perhaps some may have already known about this before, but the below Tweet/video was mind-blowing. The ISU used Sasha Trusova's World Championships free skate last year as an example of 3.00-4.75 in Transitions PCS. Meanwhile she gets 9.0s here. Insane. twitter.com/andthewaltz/status/1488742031748907008?s=21
Anna has been so ridiculously overscored for her whole short career. I feel so bad for the Japanese ladies that are out skating her and getting flat out disrespected.
and as a conclusion she is the Olympic gold winner. Is mind-blowing..she has the support of the Russian federation and government, thats why she has been overscored
On olympic ice Anna owned the night. She was the only one who blocked out the nerves and nailed those quad combinations and combined that with artistry. I liked the Japanese ladies but they lacked the flow and artistry of Anna--that was the difference for gold medal.
I love watching Anna's and Kamila's programs. They're incredibly enjoyable IF you think about them as just dances. But that's the thing. They shouldn't be. Their amazing flexibility and the crammed content and graceful movements happening waist up end up distracting from what's happening with their feet and their skates in relation to the ice, which you'd think is more important since this is a *skating* competition after all. Those aggressive leg extensions for example were so mesmerizing to watch until you realize they're not only there to disguise wobbly landings but even there to correct wrong edge landings.
Russian shenanigans again. The non Russian athletes are the victims. Scherbakova's heavy hammer toe definitely deserves a +10 GOE and all of their combined pre-rotations will be enough to form a quad axel!
When Anna pre-rotates for a quad it’s so ugly, she bends down so far her arms are almost touching the ice as she winds up for it. I feel every quad she does should get a negative GOE for that. I know this video was about Short program but I can’t get over her ugly quads in her Free.
After Kamila's doping drama I stopped watching the "competition". I'm from Russia and I'm deeply embarrassed. I think other skaters needed to boycott the event. They are risking their health, wasting energy and time on something already fixed. Okay, I don't expect everything to be 100% fair and without manipulations on a side but the way Eteri's team is playing their game makes them look sick. The giving of heart medicine to teenagers, the mental abuse, brutal diet, lack of care for their injuries' and the guilt trip after, excessive training and questionable technique on top of monopoly put in place for them to win and God knows what more, is too much!!! Eteri needs mental assistance and Russians need to stop the cult-like behavior.
It was because of the quad jumps. The problem is the technical score is not weighted evenly with the presentation score. Even if you fall on a jump you get credit for the rotation. Trusova was sloppy in her free skate and should have earned bronze medal instead of silver.
I've been skating for 50+ years, coached for 30. I agree with everything you've said. Kamila cheats all her jumps, she's pretty much forward when she leaves the ice, if that's the standard then Suria B should be credited for the first womens quad. Her cross overs are choppy and her connecting steps, I didn't notice that many. It's not her fault and she is a beautiful skater, the best to come along in a long time. It's the coaching that's lacking, they should all come her and train under Brian, so he can clean up their jumps.
Speaking of Brian, I'm still holding up hope that Jin Boyang gets to spend at least a couple of seasons with him to work on the SS and overall package. He was supposed to go to TCC after Pyeongchang (sponsored by China FS Fed), but somehow the plan fell through and then the pandemic happened =(
Kamilla's jumps were all heavily preroated, she doesnt even land a proper triple. and her jumping height was so low. i though kaori sakamoto should have gotten higher than the russians
@@r.g6170 I know I watched a slow motion of Kamila a triple axel I didn’t realize you could Prerotate a triple A but I stand corrected, she doesn’t leave the ice till she already makes half a rotation! It’s so strange, an axel is the only Jump that is made with a forward entry but she doesn’t leave the ice till it looks like she is making a backward entry. I can’t even explain it.
I don't know, I don't find Kamila to be that great of a skater outside the ability to be hypermobile and jump quads. Kostornia was the only Russian who seemed to have actual skating skills. I miss watching her skate.
@@melgonz.6962 yes from eteris camp i only liked kostornaia too, for the past decade only kostornaia impressed me. rest of the camp was so overscored. they ruined kostornaias career smhw as they do always by bad practices. poor girl
Although Anna didn't have a 3A, her short program was by far my favorite, but that does not mean that she deserved the score she got, especially compared to other competitors. Scoring is a big issue in figure skating and something needs to be done about it. I just am not sure what the best way to go about it is. Thank you for your opinions :)
Anna won because she was the most complete skater in the competition. The other ladies all had something missing and let the olympic nerves get to them. Anna took a deep breath and nailed both of her programs. She deserved the gold medal.
Everyone was getting tinged with bananas, getting their scores & levels lowered up until 3 russians showed up. At this point. what is the point of supporting unfair FS as a legit sport 😤
I did notice on peacock nearly every skater was getting yellowed on all sorts of things jumps spins . As far as that last group. Skate in the last group scores tend to always be higher. That's been true since forever.
The Eteri girls have been massively over-scored relative to other skaters since a few seasons ago, especially on the PCS side. It's just that bcs of the doping scandal, this time, on the biggest FS stage, it became glaring and in-you-face.
You are a BRAVE man! Soon you’ll be called a Russophobic and even a racist (yeah, I know it doesn’t apply, but that’s a beloved term used by rabid fans 🤷🏻♀️). It blows my mind people that don’t understand this is an elite sport, where these ladies not only get medals but sponsorships and money back at their countries and they get that by cheating with their awful technique. And yeah, they are not the ones that assign the points, but come on! They get constantly pointed out their flaws, so they should have at least a clue they need to improve!
So this is my personal opinion for each top skater: - Anna: the worst crossovers, she basically drags her other foot with the bad postures I couldn't get pass how she gets 9s in SKATING SKILLS. She was noticeably slow and Kaori did her SP after Anna did not do Anna's skating any favor. She got all green lights (no review) even for her flat lutz and flip, which is ... a choice. - Kamila: regardless of the doping, she is clearly a good skater. Bad flip and lutz technique as have been discussed before. SS is the better one from the 3 ROC skaters but should still below Wakaba & Kaori - Sasha: no skating skills, not just bad crossovers every transitions she did were not good. ISU even used her Cruella FP to explain judging TR and they said it should receive 4.0 while here she got like 8.5 - 9.0, okay. Her PCS at 35 is basically a middle finger to all athletes scoring below her. - Kaori: definitely the skate of the night, the lutz should have been called ! based on replay. But her SS and overall performance should be getting the highest PCS mark - Wakaba: her 3T< call was unfair, it should have been at max q and when will judge stop underscoring her PCS? she has one of the best SS and performance ability in that competition and her PCS below Sasha is disgusting. - Young: her 3A
Yes!! Thank you I mostly agree with all of this. The Trusova Cruella 4.0 thing I just saw today and it blew my mind - makes sense, but still mind blowing. Such harsh (or perhaps fair) judging on all skaters and then insane over scoring for the Russians. A pity.
I agree with you that Wakaba should be leading. I don't understand how people think that Kaori is a more talented skater than Higuchi. It's the other way around. Sakamoto is strong below the waist, but her upper body stiffness and awkwardness is not indicative of a great skater. She is overrated because people like her personality and style, along with years of her fed promoting her. Just like they used to overlook Satoko's URs, while constantly lowballing Wakaba, who they seem to dislike.
There is something called the Eteri bonus. All her skaters get some help from the judges. I did not watch the last group today because it was clear to me that even if these three girls crawled on the ice they would be in the lead.
I've skated and coached, so I enjoy listening to your opinions. I'm back from the days of 6.0 and figures, so I am not the greatest fan of IJS ; but I certainly understand why it was created. The problem with Skating judging in general is that the judges have so much to see and score in such a short amount of time that they unconsciously veer towards reputations, and things they've heard, and what other judges are doing.. rather than totally evaluating just what they are seeing. Some of the things are so fast also, say quad jumps, that you really don't even "see" them all that well. I'd say judges do the best they can; and sometimes when you have the luxury of viewing programs over and over, and comparing the ones you're interested in, side by side, you can see they made mistakes. I also think, that just like 6.0, there is room in a points system for judges' bias and preconceived loyalties/opinions to creep in. I suppose any artistic sport is just going to be that way. The one big error that has been building for a long time is the how much the points are skewered toward quads. What kind of situation did the sport big wigs ever imagine that would result in? Of course, there are more tiny girls bodies, younger girls that have shorter careers, and lots of injuries.A points system is always going to push for difficulty, and cramming as much stuff in as you are allowed to, over other more subjective values such as musicality, flow, artistry, ice coverage, facial expression, originality, etc which may seem easier. At least figures kept skaters in the system longer, so you'd have senior events with people in them that had a little maturity, and that the audiences had been watching for a while, and could root for.
I’m not buying it. It’s really not hard to judge these programs. The judges see them during practice, warmups, and throughout the season. They know exactly how empty a program is ahead of time and which skaters actually have proper technique. This is simply not a hard job. They criteria are quite clear and they don’t give a crap. They know exactly what they’re doing when they give Trusova’s garbage programs a 9 in interpretation and performance and when they give Shcherbakova a 9 in skating skills when she has some of the most labored skating ever seen in the sport.
The Eteri skaters’ GOE and PCS have always been inflated. Non-Eteri Russian skaters don’t get that benefit (see Liza), unless the Eteri-option is non-viable, then the bonus gets transferred to them (see Adelina). Unfortunately, like most, I’m pessimistic about there ever being actual fairness reform taking place. This is what women’s FS has degenerated into and no one wants to fix it.
I think the ISU should give pre-rotated full blade take offs a certain number of points deduction and also make those flip/"Lutz"jumps only count as a loop.… The judges DO NOT need to review each jump in the competition. They should have a predetermined base value for each skaters' individual jumps. So for example, Trusova, Scherbakova and Valieva especially, have something like a 5 or more point deduction on their flip/"Lutz" for the full blade and more than 3/4 revolutions pre rotation on all their jump take offs. Someone like Hanyu and Kolyada should get an extra 2-3 points on their Lutz takeoff that has ZERO pre rotation. Let's be honest, once a skater has massive pre rotation, there is a 99.999999999999999999% chance they can NEVER change that after practicing it incorrectly 20,000+times since they learned everything incorrectly... Look at Mesvedeeva when she went to Brian... Sure she changed a little but she could never do the newer, proper technique even on a simple double Axel consistently..... If the skaters had some kind of test session with super competent technical judges that could assess a skaters' jumps at the beginning of each season and get a base value for all their jumps this would be great... The penalty/deduction for pre rotating should be similar to say when a jump is under rotated and it is downgraded to the next whole revolution less. For example, when Hanyu was not within 1/4 revolution on his quad Axel, it was downgraded to a triple. Valieva's triple flip is sooo low and sooo pre rotated, it should almost be downgraded to a double. Just think how much more easily Oksana Baiul would have done her triples if she cheated them all more than 3/4 revolutions on the take off...
The Russian girls were all grossly overscored, while everyone else was underscored especially Wakaba and Kaori. It was so disgusting to see the blatant corruption of the judges. At this point the Russians can fall on all their jumps and the judges will find ways to give them the podium. I've lost all hope in this sport.
Why all think, that Sashas artisty is bad? Can you explain, why Kamila and Anna better? Im singer, i learning about artisty and i dont see, that Kamillas interpretation and presentation better than Sashas.
I hope you're channel gets a lot of attention. For casual viewers like me, it's helps us understand what exactly is going on. Figure skating seems like one of those sports that has always dealt with unfair judging, and it seems to be getting worse every olympic cycle.
I refused to watch, so I can't really comment on the skates. Interesting analysis. Essentially we're back where we were when we had the 6.0 system--predetermined skate scores.
This entire event has been predetermined. Valieva, Trusova and Scherbakova have been over scored season after season. This year is no different. They were over scored here too. Mistakes are never seen and the GOE is high for no reason.
I thought kamila valieva just debuted this season, a few months in only. How can it be season after season, again according to my untrained eyes, kamila was by far the best one. Or did tara & johnny weir have brainwashed my brain to think so?
FYI, "arms over the head" has not counted as a difficult feature since 2018. I blame Tara for continuing this narrative; she mentions it every time someone does it. Update your info, girl! Valieva's actually said she can't do her 3A without it, because it keeps her on-axis. The bullet points for +GOE in jumps are: 1) very good height and very good length (of all jumps in a combo or sequence) 2) good take-off and landing 3) effortless throughout (including rhythm in Jump combination) **NOTE: bullets 1 - 3 must ALL be met for a skater receive +4 or +5 GOE** 4) steps before the jump, unexpected or creative entry 5) very good body position from take-off to landing 6) element matches the music Despite what some online skating fans like to pretend, you can get a +5 on a jump with no transitions into or out of it. Do it perfectly and well-timed to the music, and you'll hit the 5 bullets you need for a +5. Happy judging!
While technically true, body position still counts, how do we know whether judges are still scoring them higher for the arms up. It seems that they are qith the outrageous high scores the Russians get.
@@melgonz.6962 I suppose jumps that are not telegraphed would get marks for that in the transition PCS. I think the scoring system has thought of everything, especially separating each technical and artistic merit, but whether they are well balanced to ensure neither dominates over the other is still debatable. Also, the judges haven't caught up with it yet or are still influenced by external biases.
And after that explanation is even more mind blowing that Shcherbakova had a 4,76 GOE at Nationals in 2021 when she has the most short jumps in height and length
Hi Eric, I was wondering if you could explain crossovers. Because as an ordinary viewer, I often see people mixing performance and interpretation of music with skating skills. And this is confusing, I'm not sure if speed alone is good SS or the crossovers need to have a certain quality? You briefly mentioned the position of the upper body in the video. Could you elaborate with more examples? It would be very useful for those without skating backgrounds.
Maybe I should make a separate video on this but - long story short, speed/power + quality are both import for xovers. I believe speed alone is a SS, but if they are achieved by bad/a lot of xovers then it’s “worth” less. In general, in good xovers: you take long, powerful ones; the foot on inside reaches out at an inside edge. Only a couple gets you significant speed across the ice. Your upper body remains completely still and in good posture. Looks easy and smooth. If you do smaller/wobbly crossovers with upper body moving, it gets worse.
Kasvini Muniandi, If you want to see great crossovers, Google Gordeeva and Grinkov 1988 Olympics LP in the blue outfits... Like Eric said, just a few steps and they are flying, great body carriage... Consistent lean into the circle each leg pushes out of the circle to the side....
Kaori got higher GOE on wrong edge lutz than Wakaba got on perfect 3A. She is so favored by her fed over Wakaba that its disgusting. Kaori is not underscored. And Wakaba should be getting higher PCS than Kaori. Wakaba is a complete skater. Kaori has terrible posture and upper body carriage.
I don’t know the exact process but I believe it is very political - the most powerful countries each getting a judge then others trying to get a spot; the judges have to be at the highest level very experienced very “in” the politics etc. But yeah whatever is happening now, needs to be reformed.
@@EricStinehart I think these vids are a good audition if you ever get the opportunity! I hope they at least actually know the sport, it seems like former skaters would be the best choice. It would be terrible if they were just making these calls because they were just straight up ignorant.
😂 this is funny. If you really get used to the hand over head technique it can help you with getting “up” into the jump and to spin tightly in the air; sometimes we’ve seen skaters who can ONLY do jumps like that. Kamila 3A is one example. I think it should be limited and not *automatically* get higher GOE (I do think for example Kamila 3A with arms over head is quite impressive & probably should.)
No no. The 6.0 system is terrible compared to this scoring system. Sarah Hughes would have had no chance at gold if she were not top 4 as a short example . Artistic impression, Presentation , PCS has always forever been able to be manipulated . The PCS incarnation just allows for more manipulation since it's even more broken down vs 6.0 system. I'm fine with the standings other than Valieva which I'm not counting. Anna is a world champion and has won multiple competitions . Reputation exists . Consistency exists and that has always been the case in skating . Are others underscored . That's a true statement . Finally I think the arms over the head is deserving of GoE depending on how that is. Remember a tano Lutz ? That was a impressive thing. Why don't more men do arms over the head ? Also Elizavetas arm over the head is junk vs the way Kamila or Zhou presents it both arms stretched . That's impressive to me.
istg maybe we'll get Valieva rules just like Zagitova rules: you can only do rippon/ tano/ arms variation max 1 in the SP and 3 in the FP. I love arm variations before because they can give different look to a jump but I hate it when it's used to fix jump issues.
Yeah, the Rippon jumps when overused actually don't look pretty anymore. The axis also has to be right, the entire line of body, and not all have that, which is obvious when it keeps being repeated! Also, the difficulty in effort might be offset by the reduced friction for the twists.
i really love anna she was beautiful on ice but come on why underscore wakaba with that beaitufl 3a , which she did land too! i mean even kami had a choppy 3a why no underscore kami? honeslty at this point i have no idea whats going to happen with the future of this sport im here till yuzuru retires>
I think most of us watching are pretty much feeling the same regarding the results. I choked when I saw the PCS for Trusova, and made me more depressed watching the next skaters, til Kaori came along. Sometimes I like to give the skaters scores based on the 6.0 system cuz I don't have a life, but I would have given it to Wakaba, Kaori, then You Young. 6 Valieva: 5.6/5.8 11.4 5 Scherbakova: 5.6/5.9 11.5 2 Kaori: 5.8/5.9 11.7 12 Trusova: 5.2/5.4 10.6 1 Wakaba: 5.9/5.9 11.8 3 You: 5.8/5.8 11.6 9 Loena: 5.5/5.7 11.2 7 Alysa: 5.7/5.6 11.3 4 Yelim Kim: 5.8/5.7 11.5 8 Gubanova: 5.6/5.7 11.3 10 Bell: 5.2/5.7 10.9 11 Chen: 5.1/5.6 10.7 I feel really bad for Wakaba and Kaori, since they are most likely not gonna have any shot at a medal, even if the Russians fall 2 or 3 times in their programs.
Thank you so much to for explaining a lot from your insider point of view. I do like figure skating but the recent policy of ISU is in my opinion doing much harm to this difficult but lovely sport by prefering jumps and neglecting other elements like spins, steps. transitions, flow on ice which contribute to the artistry of the program. As a matter of fact well balanced athletisizm such as jumps anf the artistic moments should define the meaning of figure scating. As for Russian scaters unfortunstely these young girls are just " consumer goods ", noone of them is chosen for next Olympics because nowadays 12 or 13 years old are already waiting in the row. I am sad because of Liza who is a woman of interpretation and also capable of jumping 3A. As a selfmade skater I could learn on my own just the basics but I liked to skate. Now I am still skiing but I am aware whow slippery the ice is and I watch figure scating mostly thanks to You Tube, but if trand would proceed in current direction it will be less and less watchable. Again thanks a lot for everything. Best regards from Zagreb, Croatia.
I knew when they introduced the +5/-5 GOE system (previously +3/-3), it was only going to lead to even worse overscoring. It was designed to reward quality execution, but like PCS, it's just used to prop up certain skaters.
I agree with you but I'm not surprised. They always get inflated scores. I appreciate you making a video about it though because I think most people are unaware of the injustice. I just want this whole circus to end so that other skaters can have a fair chance.
Anna S. was the rightful winner of the ladies olympic gold medal. The way she glided across the ice and nailed those quad combinations was breathtaking. She combine technical excellence with artistry better than the other ladies in the event. She was the only one who didn't let the nerves of olympic competition bother her. She deserved better treatment from her team. She was amazing and had a great attitude--a true champion.
Eric, Thank you, for your overview. In addition, Russian-American Polina Edmunds' podcast interview is a MUST listen. She is profoundly intelligent, articulate, and well educated on each and every technical aspect of the breakdown of each jump, scored points (both technical and component GOE), choreography (and lack of), international requirements, rules, breached Olympic oath, etc. She blew my mind regarding what she and her mother personally witnessed in the ladies' dressing room from a group of the Russian Ice Babies at an international competition a few years ago. Again, my mind was blown!
Who ARE these judges? Who pulls their strings? What are their financial situations? What are their Nationalities? Just wondering. This is OBVIOUSLY a judging issue, judging by what you're saying. I only watched the Curling matches after the Kamila doping thing came out. ps: I've SO enjoyed watching Kamila skate the last several months. I don't give a shit if she ever competes again. I just want to see her do artistic skating.
I agree that all 3 leaders were overscored especially in PCS. Having said that i must highlight that that PCS inflation is detected in all FS discipline. Men event leaders also recieved enormous PCS which do not correspond to isu rules in my eyes. Judges were really generous to ice dance leaders and blinded to many small mistakes. I wish all the judging criticism had been directed towards judges probably with highlighting their names. I believe focus and pressure would have been shifted
Totally agree Yuma PCS is definitely not there yet.Nathan and Shoma? I did never understand why they can score close to and higher than Jason and Yuzu on skating skills and performance.
This has always been a huge problem in any sport that is a "judged" event vs say a race where the winner is obvious. Gymnastics, snowboarding, etc. and always ice skating!!! And the Russians have always been overscored in these events!!! Are they bribing judges? Are the former Warsaw Pact countries judges still catering to to the Russians?
I am only a fan but Trusova's skating is very strained. No artistry. Just a jump fest with the jumps pre rotated and under rotated. Eteri's game is payola whether by reputation or otherwise
sorry, but it's clear you don't like Anna, who's World Champion and three times champion of Russia...to compare the PCS of Anna and Kaori, sorry, but Kaori is a massive jumper with no pcs...she got super inflated PCS marks and not only...I agree with Trusova, she has no PCS, and her scores should reflect that...why didn't you analyze the 3A of Kamila's (it seemed under-rotated to me) in comparison with Wakaba's...what i find it funnier is that you were a skater and you should know how subjective this sport is and also hop political, especially at the Olympic Games.
I’m just a fan that played hockey & I don’t understand what is good technique. To me, if it looks good it is good. Anna looks 6’ tall with her long lines & graceful skating. Everything she does looks effortless & elegant when she’s on. To me the artist aspect of figure skating is what is so enjoyable to watch. I’m sure if I was a figure skater I’d be obsessed with technique, but I’m just a guy that’s been watching since 1976 & I’m amazed with today’s skaters. Anna’s back spins & Bielman are the best ever. She is freakishly flexible & can touch her bum with the back of her head. That’s what a big fan thinks & I know what the different jumps are so I’m probably more informed than the once every Olympics crowd, so they’re even more clueless than me. 😉❤️✌🏻
As a casual viewer, I agree for the most part, but artistry is only part of the component score. With the rest of it, I'm not knowledgeable enough to know what to look for, so it wouldn't be fair for me to say "if it looks good, it is good." And when you take a closer look at Anna's jumps, and you see her full edge takeoffs on toe jumps, takeoffs with incorrect edges, severe pre-rotations, and sometimes slight under-rotations...it's pretty awful, and she's clearly being overscored. Because I don't know all the technical details, artistry trumps all for me, so Anna was my favorite in the Olympics (yes, I think she's even better than Kamila in that regard), but clearly that makes me unfit to judge.
@@jc3drums916 ladies figure skating has to be technical & exacting while looking like your not trying to skate. Jumps should be tight & smooth. Evegenia Medvedeva is the best at it plus she has that it factor that can’t be explained. She can really tell a story on the ice that reaches the top row & on TV. Alaina Zigitova is an incredible jumper, & she’s really pretty, but she doesn’t flow & glide with elegance like Anna does. But I’m not watching anything that the Russians are participating. I really love the skaters, but I can’t supporting them while Putin is still in power & the war in Ukraine has ended. The doping isn’t even relevant since until Putin is out of power. 🤞❤️✌🏻🇺🇦
@@dannyc6166 Evgenia Medvedeva? She had even worse jumps than Anna and zero artistry. The girl was literally pantomiming giving birth, hopscotch, and jumping rope in the SAME routine lmao
Russian scatters are best. Stop envying! Have you ever participate in olimpics? You are nothing and can not judge beautiful hardworking scatters. Better find yourself a job . Your video full of rubbish.
Perhaps some may have already known about this before, but the below Tweet/video was mind-blowing. The ISU used Sasha Trusova's World Championships free skate last year as an example of 3.00-4.75 in Transitions PCS. Meanwhile she gets 9.0s here. Insane.
twitter.com/andthewaltz/status/1488742031748907008?s=21
thank you for this. maybe people will actually listen now a senior level fs talks about it
But she has many transistions here, not less than Anna or Kaori, isnt it?
Anna has been so ridiculously overscored for her whole short career. I feel so bad for the Japanese ladies that are out skating her and getting flat out disrespected.
I have been saying the same thing for quite a while. The only women close to beating the Russians are the Japanese ladies.
Now that the Russians are banned maybe we will get a fair competition at the World Championship.
and as a conclusion she is the Olympic gold winner. Is mind-blowing..she has the support of the Russian federation and government, thats why she has been overscored
I agree! The Japanese and Korean skaters deserve better score.
On olympic ice Anna owned the night. She was the only one who blocked out the nerves and nailed those quad combinations and combined that with artistry. I liked the Japanese ladies but they lacked the flow and artistry of Anna--that was the difference for gold medal.
I love watching Anna's and Kamila's programs. They're incredibly enjoyable IF you think about them as just dances. But that's the thing. They shouldn't be. Their amazing flexibility and the crammed content and graceful movements happening waist up end up distracting from what's happening with their feet and their skates in relation to the ice, which you'd think is more important since this is a *skating* competition after all. Those aggressive leg extensions for example were so mesmerizing to watch until you realize they're not only there to disguise wobbly landings but even there to correct wrong edge landings.
I just don't understand how JFed aren't questioning Wakaba and Kaori's scores. Wakaba scored higher in the team event with a 2A?! Make it make sense.
Russian shenanigans again. The non Russian athletes are the victims. Scherbakova's heavy hammer toe definitely deserves a +10 GOE and all of their combined pre-rotations will be enough to form a quad axel!
When Anna pre-rotates for a quad it’s so ugly, she bends down so far her arms are almost touching the ice as she winds up for it. I feel every quad she does should get a negative GOE for that. I know this video was about Short program but I can’t get over her ugly quads in her Free.
Pre rotations don't matter as long as you land backward. I've given up complaint about that because the ISU doesn't care about pre rotation
How terrific was Kaori's short programme though!! For a non-skater, that's what I want to see.
Yes!!! As a skater, that’s also what I want to see.
After Kamila's doping drama I stopped watching the "competition". I'm from Russia and I'm deeply embarrassed. I think other skaters needed to boycott the event.
They are risking their health, wasting energy and time on something already fixed. Okay, I don't expect everything to be 100% fair and without manipulations on a side but the way Eteri's team is playing their game makes them look sick.
The giving of heart medicine to teenagers, the mental abuse, brutal diet, lack of care for their injuries' and the guilt trip after, excessive training and questionable technique on top of monopoly put in place for them to win and God knows what more, is too much!!! Eteri needs mental assistance and Russians need to stop the cult-like behavior.
I agrer with everything you said 💯 also refreshing to see this coming from a Russian 😅
I totally respect your opinion. Thank you.
Mellon, do u still live in russia?
Thanks for doing this. I share your frustration!
How Trusova has the same range as Higuchi is beyond me
Ikr, this is ridiculous even by ISU's lousy judging standards.
It is mind boggling even for an ordinary viewer like me. They are not the same at all.
It was because of the quad jumps. The problem is the technical score is not weighted evenly with the presentation score. Even if you fall on a jump you get credit for the rotation. Trusova was sloppy in her free skate and should have earned bronze medal instead of silver.
This sport is getting so much harder to watch and I didn't even know that was possible at this point.
I've been skating for 50+ years, coached for 30. I agree with everything you've said. Kamila cheats all her jumps, she's pretty much forward when she leaves the ice, if that's the standard then Suria B should be credited for the first womens quad. Her cross overs are choppy and her connecting steps, I didn't notice that many. It's not her fault and she is a beautiful skater, the best to come along in a long time. It's the coaching that's lacking, they should all come her and train under Brian, so he can clean up their jumps.
Speaking of Brian, I'm still holding up hope that Jin Boyang gets to spend at least a couple of seasons with him to work on the SS and overall package. He was supposed to go to TCC after Pyeongchang (sponsored by China FS Fed), but somehow the plan fell through and then the pandemic happened =(
Kamilla's jumps were all heavily preroated, she doesnt even land a proper triple. and her jumping height was so low. i though kaori sakamoto should have gotten higher than the russians
@@r.g6170 I know I watched a slow motion of Kamila a triple axel I didn’t realize you could Prerotate a triple A but I stand corrected, she doesn’t leave the ice till she already makes half a rotation! It’s so strange, an axel is the only Jump that is made with a forward entry but she doesn’t leave the ice till it looks like she is making a backward entry. I can’t even explain it.
I don't know, I don't find Kamila to be that great of a skater outside the ability to be hypermobile and jump quads. Kostornia was the only Russian who seemed to have actual skating skills. I miss watching her skate.
@@melgonz.6962 yes from eteris camp i only liked kostornaia too, for the past decade only kostornaia impressed me. rest of the camp was so overscored. they ruined kostornaias career smhw as they do always by bad practices. poor girl
I'm so happy that I haven't watched it then! So much stress less for me! Thank you for the recap! :)
Although Anna didn't have a 3A, her short program was by far my favorite, but that does not mean that she deserved the score she got, especially compared to other competitors. Scoring is a big issue in figure skating and something needs to be done about it. I just am not sure what the best way to go about it is. Thank you for your opinions :)
Anna won because she was the most complete skater in the competition. The other ladies all had something missing and let the olympic nerves get to them. Anna took a deep breath and nailed both of her programs. She deserved the gold medal.
Everyone was getting tinged with bananas, getting their scores & levels lowered up until 3 russians showed up. At this point. what is the point of supporting unfair FS as a legit sport 😤
I did notice on peacock nearly every skater was getting yellowed on all sorts of things jumps spins . As far as that last group. Skate in the last group scores tend to always be higher. That's been true since forever.
The whole thing is rigged.
it was so disgusting to watch how inflated their scores were. other girls who landed clean triple axels got lower!!
The Eteri girls have been massively over-scored relative to other skaters since a few seasons ago, especially on the PCS side. It's just that bcs of the doping scandal, this time, on the biggest FS stage, it became glaring and in-you-face.
Exactly - plus I feel like it’s the first OLYMPICS where the disparity has just been so glaring.
I live for every minute of this video, because you said everything on my mind lol
You are a BRAVE man!
Soon you’ll be called a Russophobic and even a racist (yeah, I know it doesn’t apply, but that’s a beloved term used by rabid fans 🤷🏻♀️).
It blows my mind people that don’t understand this is an elite sport, where these ladies not only get medals but sponsorships and money back at their countries and they get that by cheating with their awful technique.
And yeah, they are not the ones that assign the points, but come on! They get constantly pointed out their flaws, so they should have at least a clue they need to improve!
You have to wonder why it’s only 1 group of skaters getting the bonus points?!?!?!….
So this is my personal opinion for each top skater:
- Anna: the worst crossovers, she basically drags her other foot with the bad postures I couldn't get pass how she gets 9s in SKATING SKILLS. She was noticeably slow and Kaori did her SP after Anna did not do Anna's skating any favor. She got all green lights (no review) even for her flat lutz and flip, which is ... a choice.
- Kamila: regardless of the doping, she is clearly a good skater. Bad flip and lutz technique as have been discussed before. SS is the better one from the 3 ROC skaters but should still below Wakaba & Kaori
- Sasha: no skating skills, not just bad crossovers every transitions she did were not good. ISU even used her Cruella FP to explain judging TR and they said it should receive 4.0 while here she got like 8.5 - 9.0, okay. Her PCS at 35 is basically a middle finger to all athletes scoring below her.
- Kaori: definitely the skate of the night, the lutz should have been called ! based on replay. But her SS and overall performance should be getting the highest PCS mark
- Wakaba: her 3T< call was unfair, it should have been at max q and when will judge stop underscoring her PCS? she has one of the best SS and performance ability in that competition and her PCS below Sasha is disgusting.
- Young: her 3A
Yes!! Thank you I mostly agree with all of this. The Trusova Cruella 4.0 thing I just saw today and it blew my mind - makes sense, but still mind blowing. Such harsh (or perhaps fair) judging on all skaters and then insane over scoring for the Russians. A pity.
I agree with you that Wakaba should be leading. I don't understand how people think that Kaori is a more talented skater than Higuchi. It's the other way around. Sakamoto is strong below the waist, but her upper body stiffness and awkwardness is not indicative of a great skater. She is overrated because people like her personality and style, along with years of her fed promoting her. Just like they used to overlook Satoko's URs, while constantly lowballing Wakaba, who they seem to dislike.
There is something called the Eteri bonus. All her skaters get some help from the judges. I did not watch the last group today because it was clear to me that even if these three girls crawled on the ice they would be in the lead.
For me, Wakaba should have won the short program.
I've skated and coached, so I enjoy listening to your opinions. I'm back from the days of 6.0 and figures, so I am not the greatest fan of IJS ; but I certainly understand why it was created. The problem with Skating judging in general is that the judges have so much to see and score in such a short amount of time that they unconsciously veer towards reputations, and things they've heard, and what other judges are doing.. rather than totally evaluating just what they are seeing. Some of the things are so fast also, say quad jumps, that you really don't even "see" them all that well. I'd say judges do the best they can; and sometimes when you have the luxury of viewing programs over and over, and comparing the ones you're interested in, side by side, you can see they made mistakes. I also think, that just like 6.0, there is room in a points system for judges' bias and preconceived loyalties/opinions to creep in. I suppose any artistic sport is just going to be that way. The one big error that has been building for a long time is the how much the points are skewered toward quads. What kind of situation did the sport big wigs ever imagine that would result in? Of course, there are more tiny girls bodies, younger girls that have shorter careers, and lots of injuries.A points system is always going to push for difficulty, and cramming as much stuff in as you are allowed to, over other more subjective values such as musicality, flow, artistry, ice coverage, facial expression, originality, etc which may seem easier. At least figures kept skaters in the system longer, so you'd have senior events with people in them that had a little maturity, and that the audiences had been watching for a while, and could root for.
I’m not buying it. It’s really not hard to judge these programs. The judges see them during practice, warmups, and throughout the season. They know exactly how empty a program is ahead of time and which skaters actually have proper technique. This is simply not a hard job. They criteria are quite clear and they don’t give a crap. They know exactly what they’re doing when they give Trusova’s garbage programs a 9 in interpretation and performance and when they give Shcherbakova a 9 in skating skills when she has some of the most labored skating ever seen in the sport.
The Eteri skaters’ GOE and PCS have always been inflated. Non-Eteri Russian skaters don’t get that benefit (see Liza), unless the Eteri-option is non-viable, then the bonus gets transferred to them (see Adelina). Unfortunately, like most, I’m pessimistic about there ever being actual fairness reform taking place. This is what women’s FS has degenerated into and no one wants to fix it.
I think the ISU should give pre-rotated full blade take offs a certain number of points deduction and also make those flip/"Lutz"jumps only count as a loop.… The judges DO NOT need to review each jump in the competition. They should have a predetermined base value for each skaters' individual jumps. So for example, Trusova, Scherbakova and Valieva especially, have something like a 5 or more point deduction on their flip/"Lutz" for the full blade and more than 3/4 revolutions pre rotation on all their jump take offs. Someone like Hanyu and Kolyada should get an extra 2-3 points on their Lutz takeoff that has ZERO pre rotation. Let's be honest, once a skater has massive pre rotation, there is a 99.999999999999999999% chance they can NEVER change that after practicing it incorrectly 20,000+times since they learned everything incorrectly... Look at Mesvedeeva when she went to Brian... Sure she changed a little but she could never do the newer, proper technique even on a simple double Axel consistently..... If the skaters had some kind of test session with super competent technical judges that could assess a skaters' jumps at the beginning of each season and get a base value for all their jumps this would be great... The penalty/deduction for pre rotating should be similar to say when a jump is under rotated and it is downgraded to the next whole revolution less. For example, when Hanyu was not within 1/4 revolution on his quad Axel, it was downgraded to a triple. Valieva's triple flip is sooo low and sooo pre rotated, it should almost be downgraded to a double. Just think how much more easily Oksana Baiul would have done her triples if she cheated them all more than 3/4 revolutions on the take off...
The Russian girls were all grossly overscored, while everyone else was underscored especially Wakaba and Kaori. It was so disgusting to see the blatant corruption of the judges. At this point the Russians can fall on all their jumps and the judges will find ways to give them the podium. I've lost all hope in this sport.
Why all think, that Sashas artisty is bad? Can you explain, why Kamila and Anna better? Im singer, i learning about artisty and i dont see, that Kamillas interpretation and presentation better than Sashas.
I hope you're channel gets a lot of attention. For casual viewers like me, it's helps us understand what exactly is going on. Figure skating seems like one of those sports that has always dealt with unfair judging, and it seems to be getting worse every olympic cycle.
Thank you for sharing your honest critique. I am learning so much from your comments about skating.
I’m glad! Happy to hear 😄
Even if Sasha was over scored her artistry looked much better than earlier in the season
I refused to watch, so I can't really comment on the skates. Interesting analysis.
Essentially we're back where we were when we had the 6.0 system--predetermined skate scores.
This entire event has been predetermined. Valieva, Trusova and Scherbakova have been over scored season after season. This year is no different. They were over scored here too. Mistakes are never seen and the GOE is high for no reason.
I thought kamila valieva just debuted this season, a few months in only. How can it be season after season, again according to my untrained eyes, kamila was by far the best one. Or did tara & johnny weir have brainwashed my brain to think so?
They always find a way to “game the system”. Look at the last Olympics, too.
FYI, "arms over the head" has not counted as a difficult feature since 2018. I blame Tara for continuing this narrative; she mentions it every time someone does it. Update your info, girl! Valieva's actually said she can't do her 3A without it, because it keeps her on-axis.
The bullet points for +GOE in jumps are:
1) very good height and very good length (of all jumps in a combo or sequence)
2) good take-off and landing
3) effortless throughout (including rhythm in Jump combination)
**NOTE: bullets 1 - 3 must ALL be met for a skater receive +4 or +5 GOE**
4) steps before the jump, unexpected or creative entry
5) very good body position from take-off to landing
6) element matches the music
Despite what some online skating fans like to pretend, you can get a +5 on a jump with no transitions into or out of it. Do it perfectly and well-timed to the music, and you'll hit the 5 bullets you need for a +5.
Happy judging!
While technically true, body position still counts, how do we know whether judges are still scoring them higher for the arms up. It seems that they are qith the outrageous high scores the Russians get.
@@melgonz.6962 I suppose jumps that are not telegraphed would get marks for that in the transition PCS.
I think the scoring system has thought of everything, especially separating each technical and artistic merit, but whether they are well balanced to ensure neither dominates over the other is still debatable. Also, the judges haven't caught up with it yet or are still influenced by external biases.
And after that explanation is even more mind blowing that Shcherbakova had a 4,76 GOE at Nationals in 2021 when she has the most short jumps in height and length
Especially the one who fell on her triple axel attempt. 🤔
Hi Eric, I was wondering if you could explain crossovers. Because as an ordinary viewer, I often see people mixing performance and interpretation of music with skating skills. And this is confusing, I'm not sure if speed alone is good SS or the crossovers need to have a certain quality? You briefly mentioned the position of the upper body in the video. Could you elaborate with more examples? It would be very useful for those without skating backgrounds.
Maybe I should make a separate video on this but - long story short, speed/power + quality are both import for xovers. I believe speed alone is a SS, but if they are achieved by bad/a lot of xovers then it’s “worth” less. In general, in good xovers: you take long, powerful ones; the foot on inside reaches out at an inside edge. Only a couple gets you significant speed across the ice. Your upper body remains completely still and in good posture. Looks easy and smooth. If you do smaller/wobbly crossovers with upper body moving, it gets worse.
A whole video on skating skills would be amazing!
Kasvini Muniandi, If you want to see great crossovers, Google Gordeeva and Grinkov 1988 Olympics LP in the blue outfits... Like Eric said, just a few steps and they are flying, great body carriage... Consistent lean into the circle each leg pushes out of the circle to the side....
Sakamoto Kaori was better than them
Inflated isnt even the word. Such obvious favoritism.
Kaori got higher GOE on wrong edge lutz than Wakaba got on perfect 3A. She is so favored by her fed over Wakaba that its disgusting. Kaori is not underscored. And Wakaba should be getting higher PCS than Kaori. Wakaba is a complete skater. Kaori has terrible posture and upper body carriage.
Nice way to deflect from the main issue! 👏👏👏👏
Who decides on who the judges, do you know? I imagine they're not voted in, like they can't be voted off the island, right?
I don’t know the exact process but I believe it is very political - the most powerful countries each getting a judge then others trying to get a spot; the judges have to be at the highest level very experienced very “in” the politics etc. But yeah whatever is happening now, needs to be reformed.
@@EricStinehart I think these vids are a good audition if you ever get the opportunity! I hope they at least actually know the sport, it seems like former skaters would be the best choice. It would be terrible if they were just making these calls because they were just straight up ignorant.
i would like to see “hands over the head” on jumps get mandatory negative GOEs. i am beyond sick of it.
Is it true that it helps some with rotations? Maybe to get into the rotation. I wonder.
Haha it was beautiful at one point, now it’s 🥱! And can Kamila just once do the triple axel without it so we know she can? I have doubts!
😂 this is funny. If you really get used to the hand over head technique it can help you with getting “up” into the jump and to spin tightly in the air; sometimes we’ve seen skaters who can ONLY do jumps like that. Kamila 3A is one example. I think it should be limited and not *automatically* get higher GOE (I do think for example Kamila 3A with arms over head is quite impressive & probably should.)
No no. The 6.0 system is terrible compared to this scoring system. Sarah Hughes would have had no chance at gold if she were not top 4 as a short example . Artistic impression, Presentation , PCS has always forever been able to be manipulated . The PCS incarnation just allows for more manipulation since it's even more broken down vs 6.0 system. I'm fine with the standings other than Valieva which I'm not counting. Anna is a world champion and has won multiple competitions . Reputation exists . Consistency exists and that has always been the case in skating . Are others underscored . That's a true statement . Finally I think the arms over the head is deserving of GoE depending on how that is. Remember a tano Lutz ? That was a impressive thing. Why don't more men do arms over the head ? Also Elizavetas arm over the head is junk vs the way Kamila or Zhou presents it both arms stretched . That's impressive to me.
istg maybe we'll get Valieva rules just like Zagitova rules: you can only do rippon/ tano/ arms variation max 1 in the SP and 3 in the FP. I love arm variations before because they can give different look to a jump but I hate it when it's used to fix jump issues.
Yeah, the Rippon jumps when overused actually don't look pretty anymore. The axis also has to be right, the entire line of body, and not all have that, which is obvious when it keeps being repeated! Also, the difficulty in effort might be offset by the reduced friction for the twists.
I prefer kaori but these judges are obsessed with kids doing jumps
Omg. Fixed much? I agree with you totally. This was so unfair. I can’t even. Im so ticked. Very disheartening.
All rigged!
i really love anna she was beautiful on ice but come on why underscore wakaba with that beaitufl 3a , which she did land too!
i mean even kami had a choppy 3a why no underscore kami?
honeslty at this point
i have no idea whats going to happen with the future of this sport
im here till yuzuru retires>
I think most of us watching are pretty much feeling the same regarding the results. I choked when I saw the PCS for Trusova, and made me more depressed watching the next skaters, til Kaori came along. Sometimes I like to give the skaters scores based on the 6.0 system cuz I don't have a life, but I would have given it to Wakaba, Kaori, then You Young.
6 Valieva: 5.6/5.8 11.4
5 Scherbakova: 5.6/5.9 11.5
2 Kaori: 5.8/5.9 11.7
12 Trusova: 5.2/5.4 10.6
1 Wakaba: 5.9/5.9 11.8
3 You: 5.8/5.8 11.6
9 Loena: 5.5/5.7 11.2
7 Alysa: 5.7/5.6 11.3
4 Yelim Kim: 5.8/5.7 11.5
8 Gubanova: 5.6/5.7 11.3
10 Bell: 5.2/5.7 10.9
11 Chen: 5.1/5.6 10.7
I feel really bad for Wakaba and Kaori, since they are most likely not gonna have any shot at a medal, even if the Russians fall 2 or 3 times in their programs.
Thank you so much to for explaining a lot from your insider point of view. I do like figure skating but the recent policy of ISU is in my opinion doing much harm to this difficult but lovely sport by prefering jumps and neglecting other elements like spins, steps. transitions, flow on ice which contribute to the artistry of the program. As a matter of fact well balanced athletisizm such as jumps anf the artistic moments should define the meaning of figure scating. As for Russian scaters unfortunstely these young girls are just " consumer goods ", noone of them is chosen for next Olympics because nowadays 12 or 13 years old are already waiting in the row.
I am sad because of Liza who is a woman of interpretation and also capable of jumping 3A. As a selfmade skater I could learn on my own just the basics but I liked to skate. Now I am still skiing but I am aware whow slippery the ice is and I watch figure scating mostly thanks to You Tube, but if trand would proceed in current direction it will be less and less watchable. Again thanks a lot for everything. Best regards from Zagreb, Croatia.
Agreed! Thank you for watching 😄
I knew when they introduced the +5/-5 GOE system (previously +3/-3), it was only going to lead to even worse overscoring. It was designed to reward quality execution, but like PCS, it's just used to prop up certain skaters.
I agree with you but I'm not surprised. They always get inflated scores. I appreciate you making a video about it though because I think most people are unaware of the injustice. I just want this whole circus to end so that other skaters can have a fair chance.
Anna S. was the rightful winner of the ladies olympic gold medal. The way she glided across the ice and nailed those quad combinations was breathtaking. She combine technical excellence with artistry better than the other ladies in the event. She was the only one who didn't let the nerves of olympic competition bother her. She deserved better treatment from her team. She was amazing and had a great attitude--a true champion.
Eric,
Thank you, for your overview. In addition, Russian-American Polina Edmunds' podcast interview is a MUST listen. She is profoundly intelligent, articulate, and well educated on each and every technical aspect of the breakdown of each jump, scored points (both technical and component GOE), choreography (and lack of), international requirements, rules, breached Olympic oath, etc. She blew my mind regarding what she and her mother personally witnessed in the ladies' dressing room from a group of the Russian Ice Babies at an international competition a few years ago. Again, my mind was blown!
What did she say and witness
what is the episode called?
Who ARE these judges? Who pulls their strings? What are their financial situations? What are their Nationalities? Just wondering. This is OBVIOUSLY a judging issue, judging by what you're saying. I only watched the Curling matches after the Kamila doping thing came out. ps: I've SO enjoyed watching Kamila skate the last several months. I don't give a shit if she ever competes again. I just want to see her do artistic skating.
Weighing in again with how much I hate that wound up, pre-rotated flailing.
And they ... gain points for that? The whole thing is nauseating.
I agree that all 3 leaders were overscored especially in PCS. Having said that i must highlight that that PCS inflation is detected in all FS discipline. Men event leaders also recieved enormous PCS which do not correspond to isu rules in my eyes. Judges were really generous to ice dance leaders and blinded to many small mistakes. I wish all the judging criticism had been directed towards judges probably with highlighting their names. I believe focus and pressure would have been shifted
Totally agree Yuma PCS is definitely not there yet.Nathan and Shoma? I did never understand why they can score close to and higher than Jason and Yuzu on skating skills and performance.
No, novice viewers can figure out who is being favored. It’s not that difficult
This has always been a huge problem in any sport that is a "judged" event vs say a race where the winner is obvious. Gymnastics, snowboarding, etc. and always ice skating!!! And the Russians have always been overscored in these events!!! Are they bribing judges? Are the former Warsaw Pact countries judges still catering to to the Russians?
😂
I am only a fan but Trusova's skating is very strained. No artistry. Just a jump fest with the jumps pre rotated and under rotated. Eteri's game is payola whether by reputation or otherwise
I partly agree with you about Top 3. However, sadly, it will never happens. Russian team often got a lot of bonus.
the corect order: kaori, wakaba, kamila, anna and alexandra 😪
sorry, but it's clear you don't like Anna, who's World Champion and three times champion of Russia...to compare the PCS of Anna and Kaori, sorry, but Kaori is a massive jumper with no pcs...she got super inflated PCS marks and not only...I agree with Trusova, she has no PCS, and her scores should reflect that...why didn't you analyze the 3A of Kamila's (it seemed under-rotated to me) in comparison with Wakaba's...what i find it funnier is that you were a skater and you should know how subjective this sport is and also hop political, especially at the Olympic Games.
You clearly have no idea what this sport is about if you say that Kaori does not have any PCS. PCS is not only musicality.
I’m just a fan that played hockey & I don’t understand what is good technique. To me, if it looks good it is good. Anna looks 6’ tall with her long lines & graceful skating. Everything she does looks effortless & elegant when she’s on. To me the artist aspect of figure skating is what is so enjoyable to watch. I’m sure if I was a figure skater I’d be obsessed with technique, but I’m just a guy that’s been watching since 1976 & I’m amazed with today’s skaters. Anna’s back spins & Bielman are the best ever. She is freakishly flexible & can touch her bum with the back of her head. That’s what a big fan thinks & I know what the different jumps are so I’m probably more informed than the once every Olympics crowd, so they’re even more clueless than me. 😉❤️✌🏻
As a casual viewer, I agree for the most part, but artistry is only part of the component score. With the rest of it, I'm not knowledgeable enough to know what to look for, so it wouldn't be fair for me to say "if it looks good, it is good." And when you take a closer look at Anna's jumps, and you see her full edge takeoffs on toe jumps, takeoffs with incorrect edges, severe pre-rotations, and sometimes slight under-rotations...it's pretty awful, and she's clearly being overscored. Because I don't know all the technical details, artistry trumps all for me, so Anna was my favorite in the Olympics (yes, I think she's even better than Kamila in that regard), but clearly that makes me unfit to judge.
@@jc3drums916 ladies figure skating has to be technical & exacting while looking like your not trying to skate. Jumps should be tight & smooth. Evegenia Medvedeva is the best at it plus she has that it factor that can’t be explained. She can really tell a story on the ice that reaches the top row & on TV. Alaina Zigitova is an incredible jumper, & she’s really pretty, but she doesn’t flow & glide with elegance like Anna does. But I’m not watching anything that the Russians are participating. I really love the skaters, but I can’t supporting them while Putin is still in power & the war in Ukraine has ended. The doping isn’t even relevant since until Putin is out of power. 🤞❤️✌🏻🇺🇦
@@dannyc6166 Evgenia Medvedeva? She had even worse jumps than Anna and zero artistry. The girl was literally pantomiming giving birth, hopscotch, and jumping rope in the SAME routine lmao
Russian scatters are best. Stop envying! Have you ever participate in olimpics? You are nothing and can not judge beautiful hardworking scatters. Better find yourself a job . Your video full of rubbish.
Shut up.
It's 'skaters' and your post is nonsense.
By that standard, the judges can't judge either then, which still means the skaters aren't being scored fairly or consistently.
no, they are not