The way Palpatine plays with Vader in the comics is something I'd love to see on screen. Their dynamic is so screwed, it makes for amazing storytelling potential.
I'm glad we got even the tiniest bit of that at the end of Obi-Wan. Palpatine forcing Vader to lay off his hunt for Kenobi, knowing it will just make him angrier and by extension more subservient to Palpatine's will.
It actually never occurred to me that one of the reasons Vader never just flat out kills Palaptine for such a long time is cause he's just a lost and angry soul clinging to the only person who can give him some kind of purpose. (even if it's not a good one) Great analysis James!
I love the idea of Darth Vader hating the Emperor, but needing him to survive simply to give orders. Just being a rage machine who is terrified of ever having to actually decide for himself what to do next. I was really hoping we'd see that with Kylo Ren in Episode 9, but alas they just immediately replaced Snoke.
@@ineptwizzard what potential? We’ve seen Kylo be beaten multiple times by that point. He wasn’t a threat and neither was the first order. Like how exactly would a sequel to TLJ work?
The canon marvel Darth Vader comic that takes place actual seconds after revenge of the sith would be a good one to do next. There’s one that literally takes place in Vader’s head
I had to watch this video like 5 times already, because every single time I would get to the end of the video and James would assume I was giong to do something else, so I just did the same thing again to spite him
@Trey Stephens I think they should do a “what if” or alternative story. What if Anakin beat Obi Wan, slayed Palpatine, saved his wife and kids and became the emperor of the galaxy. Far fetched to beat sudious but I just want to see galactic king Vader with his reluctant queen
The greatest story ever told was that one person that feel in love with Darth Vader to an obsessive amount, or RLM going through the workings of Darth Vader's suit and how much of a nightmare it really is.
I never really considered the fact that Darth Vader, who is literally shown to be a broken man, is a broken man. I always watched and read Darth Vader as this super cool badass tank who rips shit apart, and not as a sad broken man who needs to follow orders and needs validation. I never thought that Darth Vader was so paranoid to throw a man off a building, a man who helped him defeat a hostile government take over and who traveled through hell with him, all because Palpatine mentioned in a passing comment that he might one day be a successor.
I bloody love these guys. Can't remember how I stumbled upon the on TH-cam but so glad I did. Even if they're discussing something I have zero interest in (which is rare, they have great taste) I always tune in cos they're just so damn listenable!
The best Vader story is the one with the creepy Imperial stalker lady who fantasises about her and Vader being together and keeps pieces of his battle damaged armour. Then when she proclaims her love for him Vader impales her and tells the other Imperials to get this garbage out of my quarters.
Fun fact: Head master Gentis was named after the last Illirian King Gentios who betrayed the Romans and sided with Macedionians. The same way Gentis betrays Palpatine's empire.
The best Vader story was the one where Anakin was too horny to be a Jedi so he fell in love with an older girl who gives him a tiny bit of attention over the course of 10 years.
ATTENTION BROTHER!!! I have two very very sweet girlfriends who I show off (I smell like 100 not-alive orangutans oh nooo) in my perfectly great videos that most people consider to be the reason of life! Thank you for you attention, dear dude kid alex
I have to agree. Having the lingering question of when Mephisto and John Krasinski will show up before revealing them to be one character AND Vader was a stroke of genius.
This is a good comic, but I would say the best comic with Darth Vader is the one that has the crazy doctor's assistant who stalks Vader and falls in love with them only for him to kill her ass at the end. Classic!
This book is fantastic! It really expanded the universe in a big way without taking away from the main story. Star Wars is a big galaxy so its best to make it feel like it. This is gonna sound typical of a fan, but try topping that Disney! Apart from the Bad Batch continuing the Clone Wars and Rebels, I've yet to see them really branch out
i love when yall do comic books. i know it must be so much harder, but they are so great. and comics are so out of this world. never heard of this ghost prison situation but i love it.
I know this is an old video, so there's a potential you two (plus Collings and Ben) will never see this, but I love the work you guys do. I want to find a way to be able to do this, and it's awesome to see you guys enjoying your careers and sharing information you care about with people. Keep up the good work.
You know would be just AMAZING to see??? James and Mason reviewing the original 80s black and white Ninja Turtles comics! Their responses would be timeless!!!
Hey! “robot eyes” is actually a character from Darth Vader’s second best story- (from the “Star wars Empire” run) where he actually tries to take over. And that story/character was a one-off from a decade prior, so it’s cool they used him/fleshed him out
so i literally just recently became obsessed with radiohead in the past 2-3 weeks and havent stopped listening to them and reading about them. definitely did not expect a thom yorke reference in this random video i decided to watch while eating lol
The best Vader story was a short one in the back of another book. They try and fail to clone jedi or something but the whole story is told by Vader through inner monologue. It so perfectly captures the man in the machine. Although this is me remembering liking it, it could be crap. Though I'd love to read it again so if anyone knows what the hell I'm talking about let me know :)
@@mrsundaymovies Oh hi! I looked it up just for you :). It's called "In his image" by Karen Traviss. Was at the end of a legacy of the force book from years ago. You can find it online, it's a really quick read but in this reader's opinion some of the best Vader on the page.
Holy shit. Somebody referenced my favorite comic book TH-cam channel with only 96k subscribers, Comic Pop, finally. Thank you under-referenced TH-cam channel Mr. Sunday Movies!
I do like the attitude that one can read and enjoy something from the Star Wars Extended Universe and still not regard it as "canonical". A while ago, there was a picture posted on Alex Ross's Facebook page of Darth Vader locked in combat with Superman. Beneath it was the question "Who would win?" Naturally, most replies were along the lines of "Superman, unless Vader had some kryptonite". The thing is, I remember crossovers comics that had Supes go up against Aliens, Predator and The Terminator and each of them he lost his powers. To me, that would be like having Jimi Hendrix appear at your rock concert and have him just announcing the bands. I suggested, rather than having a red sun or Kryptonite and rob Superman of his powers, perhaps The Force counted like magic, something that effects Superman like everyone else. I then had a rather "gate-keeping" reply, scoffing at the idea that The Force was "magic" and another siting a story from an EU comic about a race of invading beings from another galaxy. Because they were from another galaxy, and The Force "binds the *galaxy* together" they were force immune. Therefore, Vader's powers wouldn't effect Superman. So, rather than an epic clash of the titans, you'd either have a nerfed Superman or a nerfed Vader. Fuck it, let's have both! That's what we want to see- A grown man in spandex having a slap-fest with a disabled guy!
Darth bane established the rule of two but found loop holes with dark jedi and minions in general. The dark jedi were not indoctrinated into the rule of two and not fully trained by the sith. But often is the case as the sith are known for betrayal. In secret would complete the dark jedis training in order to surpass the master or apprentice
In the Invisibles comic, the first time that the new recruit kills a nameless villain mook, the whole next issue is telling the life story of that random guy.
Ever read 'New Statesmen' by John Smith and Jim Baikie? Came out in the late 80's in the UK anthology comic CRISIS and has a lot of mirroring with 'The Boys', but it's more political, if you like 'V for Vendetta' then this is worth your time too I reckon.
At one point there was Darth Maul Darth Maul’s brother Ventress Dooku Palpatine All the inquisitors And about to be Vader, like the sith are not good at their 2 person rule at all 😂
Inquisitors are not sith, they are simply force sensitive people and exjedi order that we’re hired to do vaders dirty work. Maul was thought to be dead, dooku died before Vader was Vader
If you guys want more Moff Trachta (robot eyes) his story continues in Empire 1. Vader and the Ghost Prisons events form the basis of his belief against the Sith and that Vader and Palpatine need to be removed for the good of the Empire.
People have always wondered about the rule of two regarding the Sith in Star Wars and I have always explained that it was a long con by The Sith in order to bring about the ruination of the Jedi Council. They understood that the force seeks balance and that by keeping their numbers drastically lower than the Jedi numbers that eventually the force itself would bend towards the side of the Sith and give them the means to bring down the Jedi Council in order to restore balance. The light and dark side must remain in balance and by allowing the dark side of the force to become so diminished under the Sith and allowing the light side to flourish under the Jedi brought about an inevitable restoration of equilibrium between the two opposing sides of the force.
That panel where vader has his arm above is head probably did happen, it juts didn't show the next dozen panels where he is cradling his arm and doung his signature 'UUGGGHHHHH' groan.
The way Palpatine plays with Vader in the comics is something I'd love to see on screen. Their dynamic is so screwed, it makes for amazing storytelling potential.
To nuanced for modern day Hollywood but it'd be great to see if it was done right, I'd like to see a decent take on Thrawn as well
@@slyaspie4934 Oh yes, Thrawn is definitely a character deserving of an adaptation on the big screen!
It's called grooming IRL.
I'm glad we got even the tiniest bit of that at the end of Obi-Wan. Palpatine forcing Vader to lay off his hunt for Kenobi, knowing it will just make him angrier and by extension more subservient to Palpatine's will.
Just want to throw out that I love the recurring "Here's the Thing" joke with the Ben Grimm appearances.
It’s so good. I now picture it in my head whenever they say it on the pod
12:58 "here's the thing"
Little edits like that just kill me 😂
Followed immediately by the "Are We The Baddies?" clip haha
It actually never occurred to me that one of the reasons Vader never just flat out kills Palaptine for such a long time is cause he's just a lost and angry soul clinging to the only person who can give him some kind of purpose. (even if it's not a good one) Great analysis James!
The greatest Vader story is the legends one about his armor and all the budget cuts and malfunctions that comes from its shoddy workmanship
Which he got from Emperor Palpatine’s Surgical Reconstruction Centre, or EmPalSuRecon
Like that rlm video lol
_"He cant even get shoes that fit"_
_"the guy cant catch a break"_
@@novakrabby *sad trombone*
@@novakrabby at least his armour is waxed with woodoo hide to distract from the shoddy workmanship
I love the idea of Darth Vader hating the Emperor, but needing him to survive simply to give orders. Just being a rage machine who is terrified of ever having to actually decide for himself what to do next. I was really hoping we'd see that with Kylo Ren in Episode 9, but alas they just immediately replaced Snoke.
It kills me how they just axed all the potential of Last Jedi.
Yeah and gave Kylo a better arc.
I think a stronger explanation is that he wanted to learn more from Palpatine, because it was pretty early in his apprenticeship.
@@ineptwizzard what potential? We’ve seen Kylo be beaten multiple times by that point. He wasn’t a threat and neither was the first order. Like how exactly would a sequel to TLJ work?
@@decrulezit’s still hilarious that these movies are even a thing 😂😂 how could this happen
The canon marvel Darth Vader comic that takes place actual seconds after revenge of the sith would be a good one to do next. There’s one that literally takes place in Vader’s head
Call Mason a hack all you want, but he's consistent
Mason is a hack
@@Borat69able but he’s consistent
@@swagggghhhhhhh consistently a hack
I'll never say it to his face though. Maso stays strapped with half a brick.
@@nathanarredondo55 in his beard
love the life like mouth animations on james and maso
Wait what?! Are you telling me Australians don’t just talk like that?
@@_its_lunar_ they don’t exist sorry. The media has been brainwashing you into believing they are real
@@odysseus7709 I bloody knew it! Australia was made up by Big Vegemite to sell more Vegemite!
@@_its_lunar_ Im glad you’re not another lost soul now
Those aren't their real mouths? Don't all Australians have mouths like that?
Happy Comic Pop got a mention, they're great!
I had to watch this video like 5 times already, because every single time I would get to the end of the video and James would assume I was giong to do something else, so I just did the same thing again to spite him
What a bloody legend m8
This would be a great Disney plus mini series. Too bad it would never happen. At least we have the classiest booque clubbe covering it.
@@Ebola-Kun
Read a book. Preferably a comique booque.
@@Ebola-Kun the new Bad Batch is pretty good if you are a Clone Wars fan
@Trey Stephens I think they should do a “what if” or alternative story. What if Anakin beat Obi Wan, slayed Palpatine, saved his wife and kids and became the emperor of the galaxy. Far fetched to beat sudious but I just want to see galactic king Vader with his reluctant queen
The greatest story ever told was that one person that feel in love with Darth Vader to an obsessive amount, or RLM going through the workings of Darth Vader's suit and how much of a nightmare it really is.
I learned about Comic Pop through you guys when they made that Ninja Turtle videos and it is now one of my new favorite channels.
"HERE'S THE THING"
Fuck me, the editing on these is incredible. Dying laughing right now, and that's FINE
I never really considered the fact that Darth Vader, who is literally shown to be a broken man, is a broken man. I always watched and read Darth Vader as this super cool badass tank who rips shit apart, and not as a sad broken man who needs to follow orders and needs validation. I never thought that Darth Vader was so paranoid to throw a man off a building, a man who helped him defeat a hostile government take over and who traveled through hell with him, all because Palpatine mentioned in a passing comment that he might one day be a successor.
Massive, massive moment of nostalgia when Raggy Dolls were mentioned! Raggy Dolls video please.
The GREATEST Darth Vader story was the friends we made along the way
Maybe the greatest Vader story was inside us the whole time
Maybe the friends that we lost along the way to
And then we sent all of them on a ship and blew up that ship...and Vader killed us right afterwards because he's a depressed psychopath.
I bloody love these guys. Can't remember how I stumbled upon the on TH-cam but so glad I did. Even if they're discussing something I have zero interest in (which is rare, they have great taste) I always tune in cos they're just so damn listenable!
I am always here for a good, old-fashioned "here's the Thing" gag.
The best Vader story is the one with the creepy Imperial stalker lady who fantasises about her and Vader being together and keeps pieces of his battle damaged armour. Then when she proclaims her love for him Vader impales her and tells the other Imperials to get this garbage out of my quarters.
Aww that's so sad.
I mean, his d got burned off lmao.
Fun fact: Head master Gentis was named after the last Illirian King Gentios who betrayed the Romans and sided with Macedionians. The same way Gentis betrays Palpatine's empire.
It's like poetry it rhymes.
The best Vader story was the one where Anakin was too horny to be a Jedi so he fell in love with an older girl who gives him a tiny bit of attention over the course of 10 years.
And then he kills a bunch of kids because he learns that people aren’t immortal
You ARE aware that Anakin HASN'T seen Padme in between TPM and AOTC, right?
Doesn’t matter. Incelkin Simpwalker.
The novel "Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader" by James Luceno is amazing.
The best darth vader story is when he fought the red guardian and the loser had to dress up as *corn of coblin*
Whilst they were both eating souvlaki!
ATTENTION BROTHER!!! I have two very very sweet girlfriends who I show off (I smell like 100 not-alive orangutans oh nooo) in my perfectly great videos that most people consider to be the reason of life! Thank you for you attention, dear dude kid alex
@@ValueNetwork silk upon my chair
Now that they have perfected the Vader A.I. voice it is possible to have Vader shows forever!
13:05 is absolutely hilarious editing! Love it.
The greatest Darth Vader story ever told was when he was actually Mephisto Krasinski
I have to agree. Having the lingering question of when Mephisto and John Krasinski will show up before revealing them to be one character AND Vader was a stroke of genius.
Underrated comment
"Here's the Thing!"
I died laughing 😆😂
The best Vader story is when the Empire was pretty chill.
Oh I love that one
You should like, join it, or something
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All I could think is why doesn't Tohm have a robot arm, in a universe where everybody has a robot arm.
He's a hipster
This is a good comic, but I would say the best comic with Darth Vader is the one that has the crazy doctor's assistant who stalks Vader and falls in love with them only for him to kill her ass at the end. Classic!
12:57 is so fucking funny for no reason shoutout the editor
You're easily amused
thanks for the shoutout to comicpop
I love it
0:52 mr Sunday is really flipping the script
Went above and beyond with the animations in this one!
Love you guys and comic pop
I REMEMBER WHEN YOU UPLOADED THE VIDEO WHERE MASO MAKES THE HAYDEN JOKE WTF HOW LONG HAVE I BEEN SUBSCRIBED TO YOUR CHANNEL
This book is fantastic! It really expanded the universe in a big way without taking away from the main story. Star Wars is a big galaxy so its best to make it feel like it. This is gonna sound typical of a fan, but try topping that Disney! Apart from the Bad Batch continuing the Clone Wars and Rebels, I've yet to see them really branch out
That's awesome that they shouted out comic pop
Left a like for the ComicPop shout-out!
One of the main points of the Sith is that no one follows the rule of two lol
"I wanna cut people up because I'm MAD!" - Behold, the perfect description of Darth Vader's motivations.
Liked for the Comic Pop reference.
Comic Pop and Star Wars Explained jokes all in one episode haha
After recently watching Pirates of the Carribbean, I can't help but imagine Mason hides his keys in his beard
i love when yall do comic books. i know it must be so much harder, but they are so great. and comics are so out of this world. never heard of this ghost prison situation but i love it.
I actually really loved how The Last Jedi wasn’t afraid to call out the Jedi order for being hella flawed
Every edgy internet contrarian and their mon has been doing it for decades
Comic Pop should join you guys for an episode of Caravan Of Garbage one day if possible
The best version of Darth Vader is in the comics and books hopefully one day we get that intensity in the movies
I never thought about it like that before. Vader needs direction, he’s an enforcer not a leader, which is why he doesn’t kill palp. Fascinating
Missed a golden opportunity to use Christopher Lee from LoTR
12:58 - "Here's 'the Thing'" brilliant editing
12:58
“Here’s the thing...”
I’m so happy this is a reoccurring gag
Thank you for covering. Ghosts are too spooky for me.
Having to confront metaphors about one's past is even more spooky
So glad you did this! Always wanted to listen in and see if it was for me. Loved it!
3:19 I really like the sort of painted on one the far right
Darth Vader and the Ghost Prison is one of my favourite Imperial perspective stories.
I know this is an old video, so there's a potential you two (plus Collings and Ben) will never see this, but I love the work you guys do. I want to find a way to be able to do this, and it's awesome to see you guys enjoying your careers and sharing information you care about with people. Keep up the good work.
You know would be just AMAZING to see??? James and Mason reviewing the original 80s black and white Ninja Turtles comics! Their responses would be timeless!!!
Hey! “robot eyes” is actually a character from Darth Vader’s second best story- (from the “Star wars Empire” run) where he actually tries to take over.
And that story/character was a one-off from a decade prior, so it’s cool they used him/fleshed him out
You know, the more I think about it, this was just the Star Wars version of the Valkyrie story.
yes, except instead of the movie being about the coup plot, it would be about a doctor trying to save hitler's life.
Dam the comic pop mention at the end and the nerd sync/ Rob from comic explained cut out at the start really gave me flash backs to a better time
Great video I love when you guys cover comics
That ‘here’s the thing’ edit *chefs kiss*
so i literally just recently became obsessed with radiohead in the past 2-3 weeks and havent stopped listening to them and reading about them. definitely did not expect a thom yorke reference in this random video i decided to watch while eating lol
Wow, I never thought I'd see a video that references both Star Wars and Raggy Dolls. Amazing.
As always the editing in these videos is just as funny as the dialogue
Omg I totally thought Mason said "written by hated black man"😳
It was called “Star Wars.” It was a 6+ movie arc that included his story and beyond. Very revolutionary stuff.
I've taken like 4 poos today
@@skarmachild Dude same
The best Vader story was a short one in the back of another book. They try and fail to clone jedi or something but the whole story is told by Vader through inner monologue. It so perfectly captures the man in the machine. Although this is me remembering liking it, it could be crap. Though I'd love to read it again so if anyone knows what the hell I'm talking about let me know :)
Which book is it I'd love to read it!
@@mrsundaymovies Oh hi! I looked it up just for you :). It's called "In his image" by Karen Traviss. Was at the end of a legacy of the force book from years ago. You can find it online, it's a really quick read but in this reader's opinion some of the best Vader on the page.
Much appreciated thanks Jon!
Holy shit. Somebody referenced my favorite comic book TH-cam channel with only 96k subscribers, Comic Pop, finally.
Thank you under-referenced TH-cam channel Mr. Sunday Movies!
James, just wanted to say you always do a great job!
Here's the thing *slow zoom on a jpg of the Thing from the Fantastic Four*
"Here's the thing..." Nicely done Mitch. Nicely done.
11:34 begins like a 2 minute long Kreia moment and that was rad
This video is the most interesting Star Wars subject I’ve heard in a long long time
I do like the attitude that one can read and enjoy something from the Star Wars Extended Universe and still not regard it as "canonical".
A while ago, there was a picture posted on Alex Ross's Facebook page of Darth Vader locked in combat with Superman. Beneath it was the question "Who would win?"
Naturally, most replies were along the lines of "Superman, unless Vader had some kryptonite". The thing is, I remember crossovers comics that had Supes go up against Aliens, Predator and The Terminator and each of them he lost his powers. To me, that would be like having Jimi Hendrix appear at your rock concert and have him just announcing the bands.
I suggested, rather than having a red sun or Kryptonite and rob Superman of his powers, perhaps The Force counted like magic, something that effects Superman like everyone else.
I then had a rather "gate-keeping" reply, scoffing at the idea that The Force was "magic" and another siting a story from an EU comic about a race of invading beings from another galaxy. Because they were from another galaxy, and The Force "binds the *galaxy* together" they were force immune. Therefore, Vader's powers wouldn't effect Superman.
So, rather than an epic clash of the titans, you'd either have a nerfed Superman or a nerfed Vader. Fuck it, let's have both! That's what we want to see- A grown man in spandex having a slap-fest with a disabled guy!
Last time I was this early James was just a goat
"I just want to slash things because im mad" such a mood
This video actually changed my standpoint on the existence of probably the most polarizing Character in star wars. That really is *The Thing*
Darth bane established the rule of two but found loop holes with dark jedi and minions in general.
The dark jedi were not indoctrinated into the rule of two and not fully trained by the sith.
But often is the case as the sith are known for betrayal.
In secret would complete the dark jedis training in order to surpass the master or apprentice
I just got done reading some of the Vader comics what a coincidence
Why yes, what a coincidence indeed....
In the Invisibles comic, the first time that the new recruit kills a nameless villain mook, the whole next issue is telling the life story of that random guy.
I wish they did the graphic novel BONE
Ever read 'New Statesmen' by John Smith and Jim Baikie? Came out in the late 80's in the UK anthology comic CRISIS and has a lot of mirroring with 'The Boys', but it's more political, if you like 'V for Vendetta' then this is worth your time too I reckon.
There were minor sects of non combative jedi that were deployed during the republic era to certain communities essentially as a peace corps.
At one point there was
Darth Maul
Darth Maul’s brother
Ventress
Dooku
Palpatine
All the inquisitors
And about to be Vader, like the sith are not good at their 2 person rule at all 😂
Inquisitors are not sith, they are simply force sensitive people and exjedi order that we’re hired to do vaders dirty work. Maul was thought to be dead, dooku died before Vader was Vader
I’d love to see this story adapted during the run of Bad Batch
If you guys want more Moff Trachta (robot eyes) his story continues in Empire 1. Vader and the Ghost Prisons events form the basis of his belief against the Sith and that Vader and Palpatine need to be removed for the good of the Empire.
LOVE THE COMIC POP LOVE
You guys should talk about light of the Jedi. I’d like to see what you guys have to say about the Jedi of that time
Darth Vader and the Ghost prison definitely sounds like a title the boys would come up with lmao
Good episode of ComicPop
7:58 where does the clip come from it's really cool
Finally a comics after long time, just keep them coming you ozzy cowards
People have always wondered about the rule of two regarding the Sith in Star Wars and I have always explained that it was a long con by The Sith in order to bring about the ruination of the Jedi Council. They understood that the force seeks balance and that by keeping their numbers drastically lower than the Jedi numbers that eventually the force itself would bend towards the side of the Sith and give them the means to bring down the Jedi Council in order to restore balance. The light and dark side must remain in balance and by allowing the dark side of the force to become so diminished under the Sith and allowing the light side to flourish under the Jedi brought about an inevitable restoration of equilibrium between the two opposing sides of the force.
That panel where vader has his arm above is head probably did happen, it juts didn't show the next dozen panels where he is cradling his arm and doung his signature 'UUGGGHHHHH' groan.
Leo: It's a long way from the city to just drop in.
aw you shot out comicpop, which is my favorite channel of all time. I'm here because of them lol it was nice to see