I loved hearing Hayden and JEJ’s voices combined when his helmet was slashed open. Especially when he said, “you know, the working title for the original Star Wars was Blue Harvest. Did you know that Obi-Wan?”
So weird, the thing I wanna say is always the first comment. The distortion and combination of both their voices, as they like crossfaded and glitched while the suit malfunctioned, _sick_ idea. As was the usage of the same exact SFX from Return of the Jedi, when his breathing got all fucked up at the end. And his eye / face through the helmet looked good, it didn't look fake and shitty at all. Ewan McGregor's performance in the entire finale episode was so emotional and great, it really like made me want the prequels to be better so I could watch them again lol.
Also the changing of lighting from the sabres. When you first see Anakin through the helmet crack, the lighting is more blue/neutral. Then as he speaks and says his evil stuff the red lightsabre lighting takes over which was cool af to me.
I actually felt bad for him. It was super sad. You can feel the vulnerability of Darth vadar. Now imagine if the entire show had this quality of writing..
My girlfriend said at the start of this episode "why doesn't any one ever just try to turn Vader off by his buttons" and I tried to come up with some sort of nerdy explanation. Then all of a sudden, Obi starts mashing them buttons like my boy Vaders a street fighter arcade machine and I'm sat there like 😳
Personally my favorite thing to come out of this show is how much more they just punch and grab in lightsaber fights. Seeing Darth Vader just bap Obi-Wan right on the nose was cinema perfection.
I agree. I thought the fight choreography was pretty damn good in this show. Better than anything we got in the sequels. I’ll give credit to Ewan and Haden for buckling down and actually taking the time to learn something complex.
I still think there's so much more room for creative use of the lightsabers. Turning them on and off mid-swing, using the force to pull someone into the blade... there's so many cool ways to fight and all we get are standard sword fights with some twirly shit thrown in from time to time.
@@hollandscottthomas seeing a Jedi/Sith glide through someones attempted block by switching it off and on again just before contact would be amazingly slick and something i've always wanted to see. Would fit right in with a more Samurai influenced show/movie if they ever get round to it. Its definitely a move a one handed Mace Windu might come up with...
There are at least 5 instances of characters swearing to kill someone, or attempting to kill someone, and then just... not double checking to make sure they're dead. Which is a lot for a six episode show.
The difference jumping between this and something like The Boys and Stranger Things is so stark. Disney needs to stop making “6 hour movies” and start making tv shows that are structured like TV shows
I thought that Vader was sitting a bit awkwardly in his throne, like a kindergartener in a tiny school chair and I like to think that his throne is actually like a wireless phone charger and he has to sit in it to charge his legs in the morning, but its kind of old and faulty so it only works in certain positions and you can't move it or it stops charging
Another reason the lightsabers feel more like plastic tubes in the Disney-verse is that when they clash they sort of bounce off each other a lot in a very plastic tube-y way. I'm not quite sure when exactly this design decision was implemented, but for most of Star Wars lightsabers would kind of lock against each other in when they clashed or impacted - there's even a lore reason for this, something about magnetic fields or whatever. If you look up any lightsaber fight scene ever in the OT, PT, and even the Clone Wars TV show this is how they're depicted, I'm not sure why Disney decided to change it. Hell, in episode 4(?) of Kenobi when he's saving Leia from the torture chair and he cuts down those Stormtroopers in the dark, there's a moment where his lightsaber literally bounces off a stormtrooper's chestplate like it's a baseball bat
I fully agree man they look strange, the light is very bright too, bounces off everything and with that constant camera shaking gives the show a fan made look
I think the sequels sabers Slamming into each other and knocking the users back slightly looked great but here it looks like they're just using pool noodles
James absolutely nails how off the sabers looked in this series. I think another part of this is that every time there’s a saber on screen they seem to use it as the main lighting source on the characters. This contributes to really off putting flesh tones, lens flares and highlights. Overall I feel like the production was rushed or lacked the required budget. So many shots look under exposed and have digital ISO grain that should have been removed in colour grading.
Absolutely agreed. I had to watch the majority of the series on my phone and the lighting was either too dark or the lightsabers made my eyes strain and hurt.
they managed to use the lightsabers as light sources REALLY well in The Force Awakens (I think because they have enough ambient light in the environment to make them not the ONLY light source), but in this show it really did blow out and oversaturate everything (specifically Ewan McGregor's face).
Yeah James was spot on with this and so are you. It definitely isn’t just him. They really just look like big LED batons (although I think the blue colour ones are worse looking in this respect than the red ones) and when they smack into each other they even bounce and rattle the way a big baton would. They look like they have a substantial weight to them, as opposed to feeling like swords made of light
I think another big reason they look kind of weird is because the lightsabers in this show are significantly thicker than they are in all the other star wars movies. I think that adds to the light baton feel.
When Obi-wan called him “Darth” in this show the context of the scene and the way Ewan played it made me feel like he’s emphasizing the choice that Anakin made. He became a sith just another Darth. He’s reminding him that he chose to become this and it isn’t Obi-wan’s fault.
I can see that..I more just felt they made a point to have obi wan call him Darth to make older obi wan in the original calling him Darth made sense since originally it was said as if Darth was Vaders first name
There's more to it then just that. The whole reason why Anakin turned to the dark is because Qui Gon died, when he was supposed to be the one training Anakin and becoming the father figure that Obi wan could never be. Obi wan knew this,and because of this he always thought it was his fault because he thought he was never good enough, or failed Anakin because he couldn't be what Anakin needed. Him finally calling Darth Vader Darth and not Anakin is him finally accepting that he can't save Anakin anymore, and leaving the past behind to help protect the one who could save him, Luke Skywalker
"Speaking of which, I have something for you. Your father's light saber. It's a more elegant weapon, for a more civilized age. But that one's a little trash to be honest, this one is way more dope. It has two blades and spins really fast. Sometimes I twirl it around for hours, just staring at it. It's pretty sick. This is the one I used back when I was young and had luscious hair, much like yours, but it also sucks compared to the spinny one."
When Vader was looking down on Obi Wan in that hole before he buries him in rocks, I was afraid Vader was going to say something like 'now I have the high ground'. Good on them for showing restraint and just having Vader go take a wee instead.
Bruh the show already had Home Alone/Tom & Jerry levels of whacky chase scenes with Leía that a “high ground” joke wasn’t gonna hurt the “quality” lol 😂
To call him "Darth" is I think the equivalent to "padawan" or "apprentice" in this context. Obi-Wan would gave said "My former padawan" but he isn't anymore, he's a sith. So he's now Darth.
I think its to connect it to A New Hope where Obi-Wan calls him darth throuhout their fight. I assume that was still before Lucas had the idea that Darth Vader and Anakin Skywalker would be the same person so Darth was a first name at the time and not a title.
I'd say the lack of prominent musical themes in this show is part of why it felt tonaly odd in my opinion. Moments like Leia getting kidnapped or Reva threatening to kill her had no gravitas. Star Wars has always been quite campy but the music emphasises the emotion of whats on screen, the threat and power of the empire, the mysticism of the force, the tradgedy of death scenes.. this show was missing that. The de-ageing was really well done though, Mark Hamill looked like a kid
Agreed. In other IPs, yes, not noticing the score is probably a good thing for most people. In Star Wars, the music has been so prominent and well done that not having it make its presence felt was a bit odd. At least it wasn't actively bad, I guess.
That's been a problem with a lot of the recent Star Wars works. Obviously no one can match John Williams, but the score was a huge part of what made Star Wars special, and the scores in the spinoff movies and Disney+ shows just aren't memorable at all.
I’m guessing that they didn’t want to fork over the money to pay John Williams any royalties for using his music too much. Then they passed all those savings along to the VFX crew to de-age Mark Hamill back to a 10 year old kid.
I think you're totally right. I noticed they were quite indecisive in their score. Some of it was totally original whilst also having throwbacks to Williams original. I think that was the problem: they were stuck between originality and tradition, so neither really shined.
I can't remember which video it was, but there's one where the editor synced James saying "They're still out there" with Tobey's Spider-man and it had me in tears
I cannot believe every single comment isn't about this. Almost as good as the "He's still out there!" Edit.... gosh, I forget which video that was from but the editing was 👌
The score definitely had a lot of thought put into it, but to ill effect, imo. They chose to stay away from the established themes, only hinting at them with small melodic motifs incorporated into other pieces, until the last episode. That made the last episode feel more "Star Wars," but it hurt the first five.
What I noticed more than the sabers’ glow was the weird way it just looked like they were swinging whiffle ball bats when they connected with something like you see in video games
I mentioned this elsewhere, but I think the problem with the lightsabres boils down to the fact that when you watch the original and prequel films, there's a flash frame when they connect. They'd occasionally also remove a frame on impact in editing to make them more impactful. That's missing from this show, they just look like sticks hitting each other.
Good point. That combined with the fact that they illuminate the environment too much. It may be more realistic, but it doesn't match with the OG movies.
It really feels like they’re both attacking each other with plastic bats as opposed to energy based light swords. Actually no it feels like they’re fighting with toy lightsabers.
You guys are spot on about the sabers, they were super bright and seemed out of place compared to the films. On the subject of TV shows with a ghost buddy, check 'Randall and Hopkirk deceased' lol
Their first fight at the quarry had me thinking how flash blind they'd make you when your eyes are adjusted for the dark - like you're holding your flashlight backwards.
I mean to be fair, the final episode literally took place at night, with barely any light on the planet. When Anakin and Dooku fight in the dark in Ep 2 it looks the same way.
That show is exactly what they described too. A detective solving crimes with the help of a ghost. And it sort of was in the 70s (1970). I can't believe how accurate the description was xD
I like how throughout the disney star wars shows and games whenever the inquisitors show up they're basically only threatening to jedi that didn't finish their training or who are completely out of practice or both, whenever they fight anyone that actually knows that they're doing (darth vader, darth maul, Ahsoka, etc.) they get their asses handed to them. Also I just assumed Darth Vader left Reva alive because he knows she knows that she definitely can't kill him so she's literally not worth his time when Kenobi was getting away
Yeah, that's something that's touched upon in the Vader comics I believe. Palpatine purposely kept the Inquisitors training on the down-low, so that they wouldn't become too powerful. After all, they were just throwaway lackeys that were just there to do the more expansive work, while leaving the big hitters to Vader. Palpatine didn't want them learning too much about the ways of the Dark Side, or else he might have an Inquisitor uprising on his hands. This is basically what happened to Ventress in the Clone Wars; Palpatine ordered Dooku to destroy Ventress, as she was "becoming to powerful," as Palpatine had said.
@@alexjames2264 She could also tell the whole galaxy about a young Luke and Obi-Wan on Tatooinee now too lol. She's like a walking database of Star Wars secrets; and with that, I feel like her character was played on too closely with the legacy characters for my liking.
See, I'd actually watch the shit out of that. At the end, Dom Toretto rolls up in his Charger and welcomes Obi-Wan to La Familia. Title Card- The Fast And The Furious: Tatooine Drift.
@@Skull35 then John Cena show up with The Rock and Vader in his new decked out fully customized Tie Fighter fused with a Challenger Hellcat HEMI V8 engine put on by West Coast Customs from Pimp my Ride
I'd pay good money to see an Ozarks-style drama thriller with Owen and Beru where Luke keeps thinking his life is soooooo boring, and his guardians are doing everything they can to fend off rival dealers, ganglords, and home invaders (while keeping Luke out of the picture). Moisture's not selling for what it used to, and Owen discovers a new use for vaporators in distilling ixetal cilona. Luke gets in with a bad group drag racing through Beggar's Canyon. Beru finds out and is torn between keeping Luke on the straight and narrow with Owen calling her a hypocrite with what she's had to do to keep the family afloat during hard times. Final scene. It wasn't the sandtroopers that found Owen and Beru that day, but a rival drug lord they screwed over decades ago who finally caught up to them.
They've never really paid off "If you strike me down I'll become more powerful than you can possilby imagine." Qui Gon is potentially the only force ghost Obi Wan knows so I'm assuming a second season might show us how powerful a force ghost can be, via adventure!
@@ackkenan2346 omg now I get it, while I was the watching the video the guy said something about adding to the lore and I was in this comment replies so my brain fused those two things
The final episode of season two is gonna have Obi-Wan standing next to the force ghost of Qui Gon while wearing a little party hat & eating an ice cream cone, with residue smeared all in his beard. He's gonna turn to Qui- Gon, and tell him that he had more fun than he could've possibly imagined. Qui Gon will nod, knowingly, and tell him "There's plenty more where that comes from" before fading away. Obi-Wan will get the same wry smile he gets before his death in A New Hope, immediately before cutting to the end credits: "Created by George Lucas."
The "detective with a ghost partner" show you mention does indeed exist. Randall & Hopkirk (Deceased) ran for 26 episodes between 1969-1970 and was a staple of weekday afternoon television here in the UK during the 1980s.
4:25 I know it is a joke about how Obi wan apparently saved her lightsaber and gave luke his dad's, but actually if he did use the lightsaber,that it could explain how he was able to travel and locate Luke very fast before he got killed by the tuskin raiders lmao
If someone asked me if they should watch this series, I would probably tell them to just search up and watch the final Vader v ObiWan fight. The story as a whole I feel was pretty weak, and the lack of stakes for the main characters purely bc of continuity did ruin a bit for me. Also, I did not care about any of the side characters who actually did have stakes and who could actually die. None of them were really fleshed out or had much development, aside from the fake Jedi, who didn't get a whole lot of screentime or really any story.
I like the idea that Liam Neeson was just hanging out in his jedi robe in that location for 8 weeks and him saying "You're here! Let's go!" was the actual actor on the day of the shoot being like "Where were you guys? Let's shoot this series" and McGregor had to be like "Uhh Liam..."
Fair point, they could have had Reva slowly dying from her wound. I thought maybe she'd be bleeding out as the Luke chase went on, but then I remembered light sabers would probably cauterize the wound.
Well the second to last scene ended with "Hello There" so the two trilogies have been bridged fully. 1:09 Yeah... that was basically Fallen Order with a dose of Force Unleashed 2.
@@oXRaptorzXo they look good, but don’t make much sense to me. Reva wastes her entire plan and life for a stupid attack on Vader. Obi is way too overpowered in the final duel and both didn’t actually try to kill each other wich stupid
@@wingthomaux no matter how reva approached that she would’ve died. But she didn’t see it that way. She thought she would actually win. Obi isn’t overpowered. What he does (seen IN SHOW) is draw upon the true light side. The Jedi way imo isn’t the light side, because it blocks out emotion. Kenobi here draws on positive emotions like love. Vader was clearly trying to kill Kenobi. Kenobi was also trying to kill Vader, but couldn’t bring himself to do it when the time came
@@oXRaptorzXo they could atleast make her try something semi smart, but running at him screaming was just a stupid moment for me. Well, that’s the new Disney interpretation of the force. Good feelings - light side, bad feelings - dark side, but that’s not how it works in real Star Wars. The Jedi and other light side fellas go with the force, they let themselves guide by the force and this only works when you get to a clear state of mind, essentially not thinking at all, but only feeling the force and letting it flow through you. Dark siders want to control the force with brute strength, guys like Dooku still do it in a calm way, but usually they use emotions and THEIR OWN instinct. So it’s basically about letting faith control your actions or thinking what’s right by yourself and trying to force faith. ”trust in the force“ is a key message in the OT. Disney have reinvented the force like you described, they don’t understand or don’t care about Lucas’s vision and make it into a simple good guy, bad guy thing and everybody is just emotional and does what they want. Rey would never ever be considered a Jedi, she just screams around, does what she wants and forces the reality around her to do her bidding. If anything she is more sith than Jedi. For Kenobi it seemed like his love for the Skywalker kids gave him the strength to do what he did and that’s not at all in line with key Star Wars principles. It should have been about him trusting the force again, after probably feeling betrayed after everything and letting himself guide by the force, he should have been able to GET AWAY, overpowering an opponent like he did here was NEVER the ways of the Jedi or light side. Nevertheless subjectively and especially because the concept of the force like I described is no longer relevant, Obi should have tried to kill Vader, he wanted to do it on Mustafar, even thought he succeeded, and was completely convinced about Vader having to die in the OT. It shows that the writers didn’t really have a good reason to make this show other than money, there is no story to tell here, Reva is the only new thing added and they should just have given her a standalone series about inquisitors and her secret plot against Vader, but intelligent not lazy and stupid like in this show.
For season 2, I'd like them to Wandavision this thing...buddy sitcoms with Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon's ghost...The Odd Couple, Bosom Buddies, Two-and-a-Half Men (with Jar Jar as the half!).
@@robertdowney85 it’s reference to this channel. If you need to apply Reddit psychology to everything you might be the one spending too much time there
The thing about the lightsabers is that they now have realistic brightness on the motion blur, they are less bright in motion which is how light actually works but it's different to how it used to be and it's a bit jarring. Personally I think the old way gave them an alien quality to them which works for the universe but it's not a deal breaker or anything for me...
growing up in the prequel era, I was disappointed the fight wasn't longer. that being said, it was pretty much exactly what I wanted. Loved all the endings
long lightsaber duels are super stupid I don't know why you want them when they are completely contrary to the original purpose of the original series' duels go watch some kurosawa
I'm gonna be "that guy" and point out in the book "from a certain point of view" boba fett does visit the lars homestead during the events of a new hope because he was tracking the droids the empire was looking for however he gets there after owen and beru are fried and takes note of how there's only two bodies but three people lived there. So no boba didn't kill owen and beru but he could've if he got there an hour earlier
The writing, visual effects, cinematography and the general action choreography let me down too much for me to say I enjoyed the series on a whole. There were some nice moments that I'm thankful to have (the broken helmet vader scene justifies the whole show for me lol) but do feel they could have done a lot, lot better.
The director was a terrible choice and the editing was very bad. The second episode where Reva finds Leia in the tunnels, I was like how did she not see Tala in the same tunnel?? It made no sense. Then Reva had plot armor to survive two stabbings, when one alone killed Qui Gon. It was a pointless series only created to introduce Reva, one of the worst written characters in the universe. To go from torturing Leia in one scene then to trying to fight Vader, to trying to kill Luke to bringing him home - she was worthless. It's Disney's inability to let villains be villains anymore. They ruined Boba Fett the same way. Gotta redeem everyone.
18:53 The show that Maso and James are thinking of is Randall and Hopkirk (Deceased), or as it was known in the United States: "My partner the ghost". It's a British detective show from 1969/1970 where Randall is the grumpy detective and his partner Hopkirk gets murdered and comes back as a ghost (You know he's a ghost because he wears a white suit) who only Randall can see. Classic show, silly as hell, but great fun.
I really loved the line "you didn't kill Anikin. I did". That was always something I had trouble with. Now it finally makes sense why Obi-wan told Luke Vader killed his father.
Hum... no? Why do you need him to say that directly for it to make sense? Obi-Wan could have multiple reasons to told that to Luke, maybe he didn't want to traumatize the kid, maybe he thought Luke wound't believe the truth, or be scared by it, maybe Luke knowing this would try to contact his father instead of fighting against him and in doing that would end falling to the dark side. This line doesn't care any weight to Obi-Wan choice with Luke, it just matters for Vader and Obi-Wan. Also think about the background of Obi-Wan at that time, he was in hiding and lying about his past for 19 years straight, the way he talks to Luke and the words he uses, all of them are mostly half truths as a way to protect Luke for now, thats why he says "I don't seem to remember ever owning a droid" for R2 because yes he was not the owner of R2, R2 was property of Padme it was just borrowed to Anakin and Obi-Wan, at the same time he was trying to see what Luke was up to, he wouldn't jump immediately into adventure with this kid that he is protecting for 19 years, after he sees how the situation is dire then he proceds to explain to Luke the most important context. The writing in Star Wars is way better than people give credit for, and for this reason we are getting a barrage of mediocre to bad (with very few exception of good) "expanded universe" material.
The score for the Obi-Wan vs Vader fight in Episode 6 was fantastic. I loved it. It really amped up the emotion and epicness of the battle. It even gave me chills.
When it comes to the music, I think Natalie Holt did a good job teasing the motifs of the original trilogy up until the end. Plus John Williams theme for obi wan is pretty good. However I feel she leaned a bit to much on the new theme and the teasing of the OT and I wish she used more of the prequel music that would have been more impactful at times.
There was a part in the duel where I said aloud, "you know there is a theme for them fighting right? You can use that." I feel Fallen Order respects the original score really well. You have a piece to help portray almost every emotion.
I know this isn't Williams' fault, since I highly doubt he's a gamer, but someone pointed out that the theme sounds like the PS4 Spider-Man theme and I couldn't unhear it.
I wish the final fight had some like elevation changes, different scenery? Look at the Anakin-Ventress fight in the 2003 clone wars. That would have been awesome. It's like James said in their initial review, it's about having a sense of where it started, where it goes, and where it ends
I was happy with the show I wasn’t a fan of Reva but I think they handled Kenobi and Vaders relationship very well. Fortress inquisatoriius was awesome to see and was a great tie in to Jedi Fallen order. It’s not the best show but I think in the end this was a good use of two characters and it was nice to see the grand inquisitor again he is always awesome.
I'm so glad someone said something about how much older Hayden looked. When I saw it the first time, my thought was wow he doesn't look like his younger self at all. Like James said, he looks good for 40 but he looks older though.
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Is English that far off Ozzie? I mean, I can 100% tell the difference between English and Aussie accents, but muricans can’t. So does it make it any better?
Glad that James brought up the weird glowstick sabers. I thought originally when I saw it in Force Awakens that it was a good idea to make them actually glow, but now I have to say I dislike it a lot. Bring back the wooden sticks!
Yeah it's weird, it almost looks a little cheap now... and it's not a big deal/there's no way around it, but you can see Hayden's non-CG lightsaber in the reflection of his helmet lol
It's because they don't add the extra CG to the sabres. I believe the sequel movies did so it wasn't as jarring. If they just added an effect so the edges aren't as defined like a solid object, it would look good.
I absolutely loved the series. Probably because he’s my favourite character but I still enjoyed it a lot. Yes, there were problems but it was still fun to watch every week. I’m want a season 2 but only if the story makes sense (no leaving Tatooine again) if not, then I am perfectly happy with this.
I thought I was the only one who noticed this about the lightsabers since they started showing up in The Mandalorian till now. I feel like certain shots, it really does look like one of those stunt sabers where they forgot to replace it with a true CGI saber.
I think making the lightsabers colored flood lights was a completely stylistic choice to make them more imposing and significant. It makes them a giant signal that really stands out anywhere, which fits with how rare they're becoming and how big a deal it is to see one at that point in time
Im on the complete opposite side of the spectrum to James when it comes to the lightsabers. I thought they looked great here and the light emitted from them looks fantastic.
I'm surprised you didn't notice that they fixed the plothole of OT Leia describing her mother as if she knew her personally, by having Obi-Wan describe Padme to her. He recites the descriptors that Carrie Fisher says in the OT.
That’s not a plot hole. Leia is force sensitive. Anakin literally has visions of the future, Rey touches a lightsaber and she sees real life visions of the past. Leia could have padmes face burnt into her memory through a force vision.
It makes me sad that nobody seems to know that in some of the non-canon comics now that Obi-Wan and Owen were brothers but they never found out with Obi-Wan being the older brother. They may have tried to hint at it at one point when Obi-Wan mentioned that he vaguely remembers having a brother.
His brother should be Ben and they can use a deepfaked alec guinness. Obi-Wan would train him as a Jedi who also beats vader and calls him darth. Then they could use Obi-Wan in new sequel material when Ewan gets old!
@@billwenham yeah, I think that it’s pretty awesome that they at one point brothers and didn’t even know it. Like I said I seriously think they some what hinted at it in the episode that Obi-Wan talks about having a brother. I wonder if they didn’t want to keep it because it would be too much of a coincidence that the man that just so happens to be raising Luke is his brother. Then that would make Vader his brother by marriage, and Luke his nephew by marriage also. Like I said they probably thought that it would be too much of a coincidence but it would put a whole new dynamic to the connection between Obi-Wan, Luke, Vader, and Owen. But I feel like how the force works that the force could’ve put all of that together. But I could be tripping also 😂.
I absolutely adored this series, I grew up with the prequels and this took me back to my childhood every ep. biggest smile on my face when he dropped the “hello there”
I think this series relied too much on nostalgia, I liked the sisters little twist in the middle of the series (not the end) And the fight scene between Kenobi and Vader was very cool. But the pacing felt too rushed and the overall story was meh, I personally wouldn't watch it again but I definitely enjoyed the hype towards the TV show.
Along with John Cena, John Wick, half the cast of The Avengers along with Starkiller and Jacen Solo. Would be funny to pull in Mace Windu as well so he can meet Nick Fury. Might as well since we're obviously dealing with fanfiction writing here.
Wish you would have mentioned that Reva apprently TWICE survived the same stab wound that killed Qui-Gon. And not only did she survive the second time, but she was able to fly a ship and fight right after it happened
Just imagine that the second time the lightsaber went perfectly into the hole that was left in her abdomen from the first time, and she was just faking being injured so they would leave her to die. It explains away so much that otherwise makes no sense XD
George Lucas always said Dark Siders uze the force to try to preserve their mortal life as long as they can Darth Plagueis style, because they cannot become a force ghost after their death. And Force Ghosts are "more powerful than you can possibly imagine". That's why he did what he did with Maul in Clone Wars. Qui-Gon got stabbed in a similar area, but he also wasn't killed. He survived as a force ghost. Reva was a dark side user at the time and thus used everything to cling to her mortal life like Vader.
Honestly I think the fight could have been even shorter. I didn’t need any magic rock throwing. Just two samurai, full of emotions, squaring off. The mask cut open was done very well, loved that.
The score didn’t seem to wow me at all, there were a few moments like the first time we saw the inquisitors, and was great to see the imperial march and force theme if only in very little moments but memorably it didn’t seem to do anything revolutionary.
I have mixed feelings about the first season. Even tho Darth Vader was amazing, I feel they kinda wasted his comeback. I would have loved if they made this season about Obi-Wan surviving the Inquisitors with a little bit of Vader at the end (like they did in Fallen Order). It would have given more time for Obi-Wan to get back to his former self and then, making him get destroyed by Vader in the final episode (like they did in ep 3) would have been devastating and a great introduction for a new story arc in a potential season 2.
I feel like this shows primary pull was the obi wan/Vader meeting tho. Without that you just have the reva arc, which although I enjoyed, can’t really stand by itself
that was one of the few scenes that had good music though. I don’t get fixation of Star Wars fans to just throw a prequel track on any emotional scene even if it wasn’t made or edited for it
Also imperial march when he was walking down that street snapping people necks earlier on- idk why they where so restrained with past music. I guess whoever produced the music for this one wanted to try some funky shit or wanted to show off their own songs. Like the music was decent but you cant not use the big bad music when the big bad does the bad things.
@@BagelBoi4000 That scene was meant to portray Obi Wans intense panic and fear and the score fit that perfectly. Having Imperial March blaring would not have fit at all.
@@RobBomford I also think they wanted to wait until that last episode with Vader in his castle to have it play for the first time for full effect. Like even after that emotional confrontation with Obi-Wan, he is still fully Darth Vader.
I hard disagree with you on the lightsabers I loved how they lit up every scene they were used in it really helped with how scared Obi Wan was when he was fighting Vader
I expected it to be underwhelming ... and sadly, it was. My big issue with the finale was simply that Obi-Wan beat Vader, and relatively easily. So easily that there was no practical reason for him to hide for the next two decades - give or take. I think a more interesting, and - frankly - logical direction would have been if Anakin actually was stronger than he'd been before and Obi-Wan was forced to evade him and flee. That's the guy that hides for decades in the desert, mortally afraid of being discovered - the guy that's outmatched with no options for a direct confrontation. The Obi-Wan in this series could apparently take out the first Death Star, just as long as he caught it shortly after the destruction of Alderann so there'd be plenty or rocks to toss.
The guy was buried alive and you call that easy? People also forget that several times in the show it's mention that Vader is weak to obi because of his connection to him it's why the emperor told him to cut out the emotions and stop caring. It's shown that Darth Vader is stronger but he gets careless with his moves and fucks up. As for why obi would stay hiding is simple because the empire basically own the Galaxy lol. Obi still would have got fucked if he decided to go against Vader,the crap ton of troops,death star and the freaking emperor. So no it's still makes sense why he stays in hiding. Although I wouldn't mind Vader winning but for how this show was written it made sense that Vader would loose. The line were he says "the last time we met I was your apprentice" kinda still makes sense as in I was still weak towards you and cared way to much but no I have no attachments. Idk that fight scenes was pretty perfect showing Vader being alot stronger but his ego and the drive to kill obi was his downfall.
I just noticed an anachronism in the Coruscant flashbacks (not their age, obviously). Anakin doesn’t have a robotic hand so it takes place before AotC, but he also has the signature _Skywalker saber_ that doesn’t show up until TCW because Anakin can’t stop breaking sabers in AotC, so that’s weird…
I loved it. It wasn't perfect, but I could pick holes in any bit of Star Wars if I wanted to. It thrilled me, it made me feel like a kid watching Star Wars again, and that's all I need.
I think we should see a live action maul again. Especially if they're going to do an Obi-wan/ Qui-gon series, Darth Maul would fit in perfectly there. But also they kinda did that in rebels but who knows??
I was thinking about this as well. As far as I know, we don't really know what happens to Maul between the end of Clone Wars and when he turns up on Malachor in Rebels (other than one giant cliffhanger at the end of Solo). So it's very possible that Maul and Kenobi meet up again at some point, although it would have to be for a reason other than going after Luke/Leia IMO.
I get what you mean about the saber light intensity. In the old stuff the sabers are light, new sabers just emit light. And the rounded tips are just so obvi. Like safety scissors.
The last 2 episodes were very entertaining, my complaints about the writing and lack of continuity stand. 40 year old 19 year old anakin was an odd choice but I will say Hayden Christensen seems to have improved as an actor
Or just given better lines. Great actor's can arguably elevate poor material but I think there are limits. Give younger Hayden Christianson better dialogue and I suspect he gives a solid performance.
I loved hearing Hayden and JEJ’s voices combined when his helmet was slashed open. Especially when he said, “you know, the working title for the original Star Wars was Blue Harvest. Did you know that Obi-Wan?”
"I notice your lightsaber is blue, much like a certain harvest"
I was actually amazed when he said that, it’s such an interesting little tidbit. A real gem in the rough of great facts.
So weird, the thing I wanna say is always the first comment. The distortion and combination of both their voices, as they like crossfaded and glitched while the suit malfunctioned, _sick_ idea. As was the usage of the same exact SFX from Return of the Jedi, when his breathing got all fucked up at the end. And his eye / face through the helmet looked good, it didn't look fake and shitty at all. Ewan McGregor's performance in the entire finale episode was so emotional and great, it really like made me want the prequels to be better so I could watch them again lol.
I stood up and cheered when he said that so amazing, the emotion behind it 😭
He definitely said that
I wasn't expecting Obi-Wan to speak to Mephisto in the final scene.
It subverted my expectations!
It was clearly hinted at plenty of times
@Dark Corners UK I'm just glad that John Krasinski finally made a cameo as The Master Office Man
Sadly no Mephisto. But did you guys notice the cameo of none other than the force ghost of Morbius?
@Dark Corners UK
Mando was in the post credit scene. Voiced by John Krasinski.
The mix of Hayden/James voices are so well done. Vader's voice changing back and forth is badass and heartbreaking at the same time
Also the changing of lighting from the sabres. When you first see Anakin through the helmet crack, the lighting is more blue/neutral. Then as he speaks and says his evil stuff the red lightsabre lighting takes over which was cool af to me.
I actually felt bad for him. It was super sad. You can feel the vulnerability of Darth vadar. Now imagine if the entire show had this quality of writing..
Breaks canon though.
@@burn8325 How?
@@burn8325 🙄
My girlfriend said at the start of this episode "why doesn't any one ever just try to turn Vader off by his buttons" and I tried to come up with some sort of nerdy explanation. Then all of a sudden, Obi starts mashing them buttons like my boy Vaders a street fighter arcade machine and I'm sat there like 😳
Well not many people are that powerful enough to disrupt Vader's breathing
@@jonathanpabon4477 yeah thats the sort of lame excuse I tried to come up with
Well, canonically before this show.... Vader could used the Force to breath normally when his helping apparatus was broken.
@@danielvezina5521 yes he can for short periods of time but he has to focus on it and it would hinder his other force powers.
@@joshuagiehll3737 I think that in the comics Vader is far more powerful after a New Hope so it would make a bit of sense to be weaker than normal.
Personally my favorite thing to come out of this show is how much more they just punch and grab in lightsaber fights. Seeing Darth Vader just bap Obi-Wan right on the nose was cinema perfection.
I agree. I thought the fight choreography was pretty damn good in this show. Better than anything we got in the sequels. I’ll give credit to Ewan and Haden for buckling down and actually taking the time to learn something complex.
And they consistently used the force to push/pull/manipulate the fight as well, which has been tragically underutilised until now
I still think there's so much more room for creative use of the lightsabers. Turning them on and off mid-swing, using the force to pull someone into the blade... there's so many cool ways to fight and all we get are standard sword fights with some twirly shit thrown in from time to time.
@@milojones9241 fr. The Vader vs reva duel and the final duel at the end were amazing
@@hollandscottthomas seeing a Jedi/Sith glide through someones attempted block by switching it off and on again just before contact would be amazingly slick and something i've always wanted to see. Would fit right in with a more Samurai influenced show/movie if they ever get round to it. Its definitely a move a one handed Mace Windu might come up with...
There are at least 5 instances of characters swearing to kill someone, or attempting to kill someone, and then just... not double checking to make sure they're dead. Which is a lot for a six episode show.
Not to mention Leia getting abducted and saved TWICE in a six episode show.
also too many characters getting stabbed in the stomach by lightsabers and not dying
Qui Gon would've loved such a plot armour
The longer you use a lightsaber the more arrogant you become.
@@dimitreze something something the dark side helps
@@Manuel_Esteban The weird part is the ones doing the stabbing are on the dark side.
The difference jumping between this and something like The Boys and Stranger Things is so stark.
Disney needs to stop making “6 hour movies” and start making tv shows that are structured like TV shows
I couldn’t agree more
Yep the competition is miles above Disney right now in regards to the streaming shows, all flash no substance I feel
@@Nuggetlord6969 absolutely. Why did this show look cheaper than even Mandalorian and BOBF? It's so weird
Totally agree, I’m so over the Star Wars/MCU D+ content and finally started binging the boys, it’s like curing a bad hangover
@@user-gh5sd2nm5y wtf? If anything this looked better than both of those shows
I thought that Vader was sitting a bit awkwardly in his throne, like a kindergartener in a tiny school chair and I like to think that his throne is actually like a wireless phone charger and he has to sit in it to charge his legs in the morning, but its kind of old and faulty so it only works in certain positions and you can't move it or it stops charging
Or maybe he was still in pain from the duel with Obi wan
Reading this comment with my little finger firmly holding my faulty charger so that my phone charges. I relate
@@profshad3429 he did get slashed across the spine. I can't imagine that felt great
That's actually very funny congratulations 👍😊
it’s not that deep
Another reason the lightsabers feel more like plastic tubes in the Disney-verse is that when they clash they sort of bounce off each other a lot in a very plastic tube-y way. I'm not quite sure when exactly this design decision was implemented, but for most of Star Wars lightsabers would kind of lock against each other in when they clashed or impacted - there's even a lore reason for this, something about magnetic fields or whatever. If you look up any lightsaber fight scene ever in the OT, PT, and even the Clone Wars TV show this is how they're depicted, I'm not sure why Disney decided to change it.
Hell, in episode 4(?) of Kenobi when he's saving Leia from the torture chair and he cuts down those Stormtroopers in the dark, there's a moment where his lightsaber literally bounces off a stormtrooper's chestplate like it's a baseball bat
I fully agree man they look strange, the light is very bright too, bounces off everything and with that constant camera shaking gives the show a fan made look
Rebels even explicitly says "yeah lightsabers stick to each other"
You want the main reason? It's Disney, they don't want bloody wounds.
I think the sequels sabers Slamming into each other and knocking the users back slightly looked great but here it looks like they're just using pool noodles
James absolutely nails how off the sabers looked in this series. I think another part of this is that every time there’s a saber on screen they seem to use it as the main lighting source on the characters. This contributes to really off putting flesh tones, lens flares and highlights.
Overall I feel like the production was rushed or lacked the required budget. So many shots look under exposed and have digital ISO grain that should have been removed in colour grading.
Absolutely agreed. I had to watch the majority of the series on my phone and the lighting was either too dark or the lightsabers made my eyes strain and hurt.
Seriously he put it into such good worsing
they managed to use the lightsabers as light sources REALLY well in The Force Awakens (I think because they have enough ambient light in the environment to make them not the ONLY light source), but in this show it really did blow out and oversaturate everything (specifically Ewan McGregor's face).
Yeah James was spot on with this and so are you. It definitely isn’t just him. They really just look like big LED batons (although I think the blue colour ones are worse looking in this respect than the red ones) and when they smack into each other they even bounce and rattle the way a big baton would. They look like they have a substantial weight to them, as opposed to feeling like swords made of light
I think another big reason they look kind of weird is because the lightsabers in this show are significantly thicker than they are in all the other star wars movies. I think that adds to the light baton feel.
When Obi-wan called him “Darth” in this show the context of the scene and the way Ewan played it made me feel like he’s emphasizing the choice that Anakin made. He became a sith just another Darth. He’s reminding him that he chose to become this and it isn’t Obi-wan’s fault.
I can see that..I more just felt they made a point to have obi wan call him Darth to make older obi wan in the original calling him Darth made sense since originally it was said as if Darth was Vaders first name
There's more to it then just that. The whole reason why Anakin turned to the dark is because Qui Gon died, when he was supposed to be the one training Anakin and becoming the father figure that Obi wan could never be. Obi wan knew this,and because of this he always thought it was his fault because he thought he was never good enough, or failed Anakin because he couldn't be what Anakin needed.
Him finally calling Darth Vader Darth and not Anakin is him finally accepting that he can't save Anakin anymore, and leaving the past behind to help protect the one who could save him, Luke Skywalker
That and it's consistent with Episode 4's dialogue "Only a master of evil, Darth."
@@LSB44446 that’s what my mind went to first
That and it legitimises Obi Wan telling Luke that Darth Vader killed his father.
Which is true, from a certain point of view.
"I'm keeping this one. You can have two blue ones. I don't care." had me crying with laughter. Sometimes, it's the little things that get you.
Yeah picturing Alec Guinness flying around with the helicopter saber is hilarious 😂
"It's freakin' sick actually" had me rolling for like 10 minutes lol
That was hilarious 😂😂
"Speaking of which, I have something for you. Your father's light saber. It's a more elegant weapon, for a more civilized age. But that one's a little trash to be honest, this one is way more dope. It has two blades and spins really fast. Sometimes I twirl it around for hours, just staring at it. It's pretty sick. This is the one I used back when I was young and had luscious hair, much like yours, but it also sucks compared to the spinny one."
When Vader was looking down on Obi Wan in that hole before he buries him in rocks, I was afraid Vader was going to say something like 'now I have the high ground'. Good on them for showing restraint and just having Vader go take a wee instead.
Same, so glad they didn’t!
I would have actually loved that for the memes since the show had already jumped over the shark for me personally
I literally was like “oh god is he gonna say it” lmao ngl it would’ve been hilarious
I kind of would have loved that...guess I'll have to wait for Robot Chicken to do it.
Bruh the show already had Home Alone/Tom & Jerry levels of whacky chase scenes with Leía that a “high ground” joke wasn’t gonna hurt the “quality” lol 😂
The Emperor talking to Vader with the calmness of Sage Dad tones was somehow the funniest thing of the year for me. Not a single growl in his voice.
To call him "Darth" is I think the equivalent to "padawan" or "apprentice" in this context. Obi-Wan would gave said "My former padawan" but he isn't anymore, he's a sith. So he's now Darth.
I think its to connect it to A New Hope where Obi-Wan calls him darth throuhout their fight. I assume that was still before Lucas had the idea that Darth Vader and Anakin Skywalker would be the same person so Darth was a first name at the time and not a title.
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@@ethanbeam6975 Thanks for that insight. Really helps put things into perspective.
I'd say the lack of prominent musical themes in this show is part of why it felt tonaly odd in my opinion. Moments like Leia getting kidnapped or Reva threatening to kill her had no gravitas. Star Wars has always been quite campy but the music emphasises the emotion of whats on screen, the threat and power of the empire, the mysticism of the force, the tradgedy of death scenes.. this show was missing that. The de-ageing was really well done though, Mark Hamill looked like a kid
Agreed. In other IPs, yes, not noticing the score is probably a good thing for most people. In Star Wars, the music has been so prominent and well done that not having it make its presence felt was a bit odd. At least it wasn't actively bad, I guess.
That's been a problem with a lot of the recent Star Wars works. Obviously no one can match John Williams, but the score was a huge part of what made Star Wars special, and the scores in the spinoff movies and Disney+ shows just aren't memorable at all.
Yes!
I’m guessing that they didn’t want to fork over the money to pay John Williams any royalties for using his music too much. Then they passed all those savings along to the VFX crew to de-age Mark Hamill back to a 10 year old kid.
I think you're totally right. I noticed they were quite indecisive in their score. Some of it was totally original whilst also having throwbacks to Williams original. I think that was the problem: they were stuck between originality and tradition, so neither really shined.
My favorite part was when Darth Vader took off his helmet and it was John Krasinski.
I could have sworn it was Kevin Spacey.
😭😭😭
Darth Kravader
Darth Krasinski
Stop lying we all know it was Chris Pratt, since he's in everything now.
The syncing of Mason's "what?" with Obi Wan's "what?". Utter perfection. Well done Collings.
I can't remember which video it was, but there's one where the editor synced James saying "They're still out there" with Tobey's Spider-man and it had me in tears
hello there
Time stamp?
@@gimmibox lol it was for Batman V Superman Caravan of Garbage but I think Ben edited that one. They're both really great editors
Maso: “I’ll put some points into dex”
Collings: *inserts a clip of Dexter Jettser*
Goddamn, I love this channel.
I cannot believe every single comment isn't about this. Almost as good as the "He's still out there!" Edit.... gosh, I forget which video that was from but the editing was 👌
The score definitely had a lot of thought put into it, but to ill effect, imo. They chose to stay away from the established themes, only hinting at them with small melodic motifs incorporated into other pieces, until the last episode. That made the last episode feel more "Star Wars," but it hurt the first five.
What I noticed more than the sabers’ glow was the weird way it just looked like they were swinging whiffle ball bats when they connected with something like you see in video games
Yeah the whole lightsaber rework should have been redone for new works
They feel a bit short to me.
I mentioned this elsewhere, but I think the problem with the lightsabres boils down to the fact that when you watch the original and prequel films, there's a flash frame when they connect. They'd occasionally also remove a frame on impact in editing to make them more impactful. That's missing from this show, they just look like sticks hitting each other.
YES YES YES! Thats it!
Good point. That combined with the fact that they illuminate the environment too much. It may be more realistic, but it doesn't match with the OG movies.
@@Pastrybfs Yes, but George Lucas always wanted that.
@@craighicksartwork Hadn't heard that, but he did do that scene in 2 where Anakin and Dooku are lit up by the blades. So maybe.
It really feels like they’re both attacking each other with plastic bats as opposed to energy based light swords.
Actually no it feels like they’re fighting with toy lightsabers.
I loved it when Obi-Wan used the force to freeze air into glass.
Not a lot of people know this, but glass isn't actually frozen air
@@StudioInkblot that's why it's Sci-fi. 😉
You're both in the pocket of "Big Glass"
@@StudioInkblot dude why are you spreading misinformation on the internet?? Glass is CLEARLY made of frozen air
wait when
You guys are spot on about the sabers, they were super bright and seemed out of place compared to the films. On the subject of TV shows with a ghost buddy, check 'Randall and Hopkirk deceased' lol
Their first fight at the quarry had me thinking how flash blind they'd make you when your eyes are adjusted for the dark - like you're holding your flashlight backwards.
I mean to be fair, the final episode literally took place at night, with barely any light on the planet. When Anakin and Dooku fight in the dark in Ep 2 it looks the same way.
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That show is exactly what they described too. A detective solving crimes with the help of a ghost. And it sort of was in the 70s (1970). I can't believe how accurate the description was xD
They even rebooted it with Bob Mortimer and Jim Moir/Vic Reeves in the lead roles
I like how throughout the disney star wars shows and games whenever the inquisitors show up they're basically only threatening to jedi that didn't finish their training or who are completely out of practice or both, whenever they fight anyone that actually knows that they're doing (darth vader, darth maul, Ahsoka, etc.) they get their asses handed to them. Also I just assumed Darth Vader left Reva alive because he knows she knows that she definitely can't kill him so she's literally not worth his time when Kenobi was getting away
Yeah, that's something that's touched upon in the Vader comics I believe. Palpatine purposely kept the Inquisitors training on the down-low, so that they wouldn't become too powerful. After all, they were just throwaway lackeys that were just there to do the more expansive work, while leaving the big hitters to Vader. Palpatine didn't want them learning too much about the ways of the Dark Side, or else he might have an Inquisitor uprising on his hands.
This is basically what happened to Ventress in the Clone Wars; Palpatine ordered Dooku to destroy Ventress, as she was "becoming to powerful," as Palpatine had said.
But she could tell everyone he is Anakin Skywalker...?
why did she go for Luke after?
@@alexjames2264 She could also tell the whole galaxy about a young Luke and Obi-Wan on Tatooinee now too lol. She's like a walking database of Star Wars secrets; and with that, I feel like her character was played on too closely with the legacy characters for my liking.
@@rudrank819 revenge on anakin? like he cares for a random child. he doesnt know he's his son yet
My favorite part was when Darth Vader confronted obi wan for living in a cave to avoid paying taxes
Getting paid under the table for cutting all that meat
Spookiest time of the year mate
He's been studying the Tuscan Raiders who hide their numbers. The deserts of Tatooine are full of people cooking the books it seems.
Jedi is a religion. Mans been avoiding the spooky tax man since day dot.
I loved it when Obi Wan Kenobi met expectations and then told them "Hello, there!"
Hello, there!
General Simmons!
Obiwan flying through the Tatooine canyons fighting Flea and Sung Kang from the Fast and Furious franchise is the sequel we deserve
See, I'd actually watch the shit out of that.
At the end, Dom Toretto rolls up in his Charger and welcomes Obi-Wan to La Familia. Title Card- The Fast And The Furious: Tatooine Drift.
@@Skull35 then John Cena show up with The Rock and Vader in his new decked out fully customized Tie Fighter fused with a Challenger Hellcat HEMI V8 engine put on by West Coast Customs from Pimp my Ride
I'd pay good money to see an Ozarks-style drama thriller with Owen and Beru where Luke keeps thinking his life is soooooo boring, and his guardians are doing everything they can to fend off rival dealers, ganglords, and home invaders (while keeping Luke out of the picture).
Moisture's not selling for what it used to, and Owen discovers a new use for vaporators in distilling ixetal cilona. Luke gets in with a bad group drag racing through Beggar's Canyon. Beru finds out and is torn between keeping Luke on the straight and narrow with Owen calling her a hypocrite with what she's had to do to keep the family afloat during hard times.
Final scene. It wasn't the sandtroopers that found Owen and Beru that day, but a rival drug lord they screwed over decades ago who finally caught up to them.
They've never really paid off "If you strike me down I'll become more powerful than you can possilby imagine." Qui Gon is potentially the only force ghost Obi Wan knows so I'm assuming a second season might show us how powerful a force ghost can be, via adventure!
@@user-zu5kw6es6g I don’t know why are you bringing that up there’s nothing to do with his comment
@@ackkenan2346 omg now I get it, while I was the watching the video the guy said something about adding to the lore and I was in this comment replies so my brain fused those two things
I really hope they're done and can just stop making this garbage.
@@TerribleFire Sorry my mate they’re gonna keep going until everyone stop giving them money, or in other terms when pigs fly.
The final episode of season two is gonna have Obi-Wan standing next to the force ghost of Qui Gon while wearing a little party hat & eating an ice cream cone, with residue smeared all in his beard. He's gonna turn to Qui- Gon, and tell him that he had more fun than he could've possibly imagined. Qui Gon will nod, knowingly, and tell him "There's plenty more where that comes from" before fading away. Obi-Wan will get the same wry smile he gets before his death in A New Hope, immediately before cutting to the end credits: "Created by George Lucas."
The "detective with a ghost partner" show you mention does indeed exist.
Randall & Hopkirk (Deceased) ran for 26 episodes between 1969-1970 and was a staple of weekday afternoon television here in the UK during the 1980s.
Damn. You beat me to it. Deleting my comment :)
I only came to the comments to see if someone had posted the name of this show as I had forgotten it. Cheers good job well done
Vic & Bob remade it in the late 90s too I think.
@@ninebangtrojan4669 aye that's the version of the show I remember vaguely from back in the day
I love that title
4:25 I know it is a joke about how Obi wan apparently saved her lightsaber and gave luke his dad's, but actually if he did use the lightsaber,that it could explain how he was able to travel and locate Luke very fast before he got killed by the tuskin raiders lmao
If someone asked me if they should watch this series, I would probably tell them to just search up and watch the final Vader v ObiWan fight. The story as a whole I feel was pretty weak, and the lack of stakes for the main characters purely bc of continuity did ruin a bit for me. Also, I did not care about any of the side characters who actually did have stakes and who could actually die. None of them were really fleshed out or had much development, aside from the fake Jedi, who didn't get a whole lot of screentime or really any story.
I think the show is actually pretty good when you binge it
It’s good anyways but binging it really helps
I like the idea that Liam Neeson was just hanging out in his jedi robe in that location for 8 weeks and him saying "You're here! Let's go!" was the actual actor on the day of the shoot being like "Where were you guys? Let's shoot this series" and McGregor had to be like "Uhh Liam..."
It almost feels that lightsabers have no consequence now..
The older films they felt more dangerous,now everyone survives them.
It’s kind of annoying.
Yeah it makes Qui Gon look like a punk
The girl kinda should have died right then and there. But fucking plot kept her alive.
Fair point, they could have had Reva slowly dying from her wound. I thought maybe she'd be bleeding out as the Luke chase went on, but then I remembered light sabers would probably cauterize the wound.
Well the second to last scene ended with "Hello There" so the two trilogies have been bridged fully.
1:09 Yeah... that was basically Fallen Order with a dose of Force Unleashed 2.
This series was a mixed bag. It had some very cool, well thought out moments, and it had plenty of questionable and baffling moments too
Pls give one example of a well thought out moment. I’m serious because imo literally everything was stupid
@@wingthomaux the final duel. Reva vs Vader duel. There’s plenty of others
@@oXRaptorzXo they look good, but don’t make much sense to me. Reva wastes her entire plan and life for a stupid attack on Vader. Obi is way too overpowered in the final duel and both didn’t actually try to kill each other wich stupid
@@wingthomaux no matter how reva approached that she would’ve died. But she didn’t see it that way. She thought she would actually win.
Obi isn’t overpowered. What he does (seen IN SHOW) is draw upon the true light side. The Jedi way imo isn’t the light side, because it blocks out emotion. Kenobi here draws on positive emotions like love.
Vader was clearly trying to kill Kenobi. Kenobi was also trying to kill Vader, but couldn’t bring himself to do it when the time came
@@oXRaptorzXo they could atleast make her try something semi smart, but running at him screaming was just a stupid moment for me.
Well, that’s the new Disney interpretation of the force. Good feelings - light side, bad feelings - dark side, but that’s not how it works in real Star Wars. The Jedi and other light side fellas go with the force, they let themselves guide by the force and this only works when you get to a clear state of mind, essentially not thinking at all, but only feeling the force and letting it flow through you. Dark siders want to control the force with brute strength, guys like Dooku still do it in a calm way, but usually they use emotions and THEIR OWN instinct. So it’s basically about letting faith control your actions or thinking what’s right by yourself and trying to force faith. ”trust in the force“ is a key message in the OT. Disney have reinvented the force like you described, they don’t understand or don’t care about Lucas’s vision and make it into a simple good guy, bad guy thing and everybody is just emotional and does what they want. Rey would never ever be considered a Jedi, she just screams around, does what she wants and forces the reality around her to do her bidding. If anything she is more sith than Jedi. For Kenobi it seemed like his love for the Skywalker kids gave him the strength to do what he did and that’s not at all in line with key Star Wars principles. It should have been about him trusting the force again, after probably feeling betrayed after everything and letting himself guide by the force, he should have been able to GET AWAY, overpowering an opponent like he did here was NEVER the ways of the Jedi or light side. Nevertheless subjectively and especially because the concept of the force like I described is no longer relevant, Obi should have tried to kill Vader, he wanted to do it on Mustafar, even thought he succeeded, and was completely convinced about Vader having to die in the OT. It shows that the writers didn’t really have a good reason to make this show other than money, there is no story to tell here, Reva is the only new thing added and they should just have given her a standalone series about inquisitors and her secret plot against Vader, but intelligent not lazy and stupid like in this show.
Totally agree with the assessment on lightsabers in this show and I wasn’t sure how to put it into words
never thought i'd say this, but with that sadistic smile hayden did, vader looked scarier without the mask
For season 2, I'd like them to Wandavision this thing...buddy sitcoms with Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon's ghost...The Odd Couple, Bosom Buddies, Two-and-a-Half Men (with Jar Jar as the half!).
I thought you were going to say Datth Maul. 😆
I think the series left a good taste in my mouth, unlike an unopened can of 1999 Phantom Menace themed Pepsi
how did the unopened can taste? Kind of aluminumy I would think. (I've still got a collection of those cans).
It leaves a taste better than the taste of rust for sure.
This comment is so reddit it hurts.
I understood that reference.
@@robertdowney85 it’s reference to this channel. If you need to apply Reddit psychology to everything you might be the one spending too much time there
The thing about the lightsabers is that they now have realistic brightness on the motion blur, they are less bright in motion which is how light actually works but it's different to how it used to be and it's a bit jarring. Personally I think the old way gave them an alien quality to them which works for the universe but it's not a deal breaker or anything for me...
I love these new sabers, they have a really photographed feel where it makes sense the beam would be varying levels of blown out
I think the directors just like the free mood lighting honestly
growing up in the prequel era, I was disappointed the fight wasn't longer. that being said, it was pretty much exactly what I wanted. Loved all the endings
I'm an '86 baby and this fight hit everything I wanted. It felt like 10 minutes long. But ticked all my boxes and I loved it.
long lightsaber duels are super stupid I don't know why you want them when they are completely contrary to the original purpose of the original series' duels
go watch some kurosawa
I think when Obi Wan dug Anakins and his old lightsaber out of the sand, that was a missed oppurtunity to have Qui Gons Lightsaber burried with them
Completely. I was raging they didn’t put it in. Apparently he has his crystal in a bag on the toy, but it’s so stupid they fumbled the bag so hard.
AS ALWAYS THE EDITING IS PHENOMENAL!!! It matches up so so well
I'm gonna be "that guy" and point out in the book "from a certain point of view" boba fett does visit the lars homestead during the events of a new hope because he was tracking the droids the empire was looking for however he gets there after owen and beru are fried and takes note of how there's only two bodies but three people lived there.
So no boba didn't kill owen and beru but he could've if he got there an hour earlier
The writing, visual effects, cinematography and the general action choreography let me down too much for me to say I enjoyed the series on a whole. There were some nice moments that I'm thankful to have (the broken helmet vader scene justifies the whole show for me lol) but do feel they could have done a lot, lot better.
Thank goodness I’m not going crazy. Have the exact same feeling
The director was a terrible choice and the editing was very bad. The second episode where Reva finds Leia in the tunnels, I was like how did she not see Tala in the same tunnel?? It made no sense. Then Reva had plot armor to survive two stabbings, when one alone killed Qui Gon. It was a pointless series only created to introduce Reva, one of the worst written characters in the universe. To go from torturing Leia in one scene then to trying to fight Vader, to trying to kill Luke to bringing him home - she was worthless. It's Disney's inability to let villains be villains anymore. They ruined Boba Fett the same way. Gotta redeem everyone.
wasn't just bad star wars, this series was bad television- period.
Careful, you can’t feel like this or go against the Disney WhiteKnighters cause then you’re a “hater” and a “toxic fan”
I think to me, it just lacked heart. Like it felt passionless across the board (except in set design).
18:53 The show that Maso and James are thinking of is Randall and Hopkirk (Deceased), or as it was known in the United States: "My partner the ghost". It's a British detective show from 1969/1970 where Randall is the grumpy detective and his partner Hopkirk gets murdered and comes back as a ghost (You know he's a ghost because he wears a white suit) who only Randall can see. Classic show, silly as hell, but great fun.
You're making this up.
Ah you beat me to it, they also remade it in the 2000's with Vic Reeves and Bob Mortimer, it's fine.
@@ShirDeutch I'm certainly not... th-cam.com/video/BOGLchs095k/w-d-xo.html
I really loved the line "you didn't kill Anikin. I did". That was always something I had trouble with. Now it finally makes sense why Obi-wan told Luke Vader killed his father.
Hum... no? Why do you need him to say that directly for it to make sense? Obi-Wan could have multiple reasons to told that to Luke, maybe he didn't want to traumatize the kid, maybe he thought Luke wound't believe the truth, or be scared by it, maybe Luke knowing this would try to contact his father instead of fighting against him and in doing that would end falling to the dark side.
This line doesn't care any weight to Obi-Wan choice with Luke, it just matters for Vader and Obi-Wan.
Also think about the background of Obi-Wan at that time, he was in hiding and lying about his past for 19 years straight, the way he talks to Luke and the words he uses, all of them are mostly half truths as a way to protect Luke for now, thats why he says "I don't seem to remember ever owning a droid" for R2 because yes he was not the owner of R2, R2 was property of Padme it was just borrowed to Anakin and Obi-Wan, at the same time he was trying to see what Luke was up to, he wouldn't jump immediately into adventure with this kid that he is protecting for 19 years, after he sees how the situation is dire then he proceds to explain to Luke the most important context. The writing in Star Wars is way better than people give credit for, and for this reason we are getting a barrage of mediocre to bad (with very few exception of good) "expanded universe" material.
@@CoracaoAcidental98it’s a TH-cam comment not a college essay, chill
@@mattmurphy7030 I can make as long I want under the TH-cam character limit, if you don't want to read, don't read it.
@@CoracaoAcidental98just want to let you know thatI didnt.
Even Six year old me realized he was speaking metaphorically.
The score for the Obi-Wan vs Vader fight in Episode 6 was fantastic. I loved it. It really amped up the emotion and epicness of the battle. It even gave me chills.
When it comes to the music, I think Natalie Holt did a good job teasing the motifs of the original trilogy up until the end. Plus John Williams theme for obi wan is pretty good. However I feel she leaned a bit to much on the new theme and the teasing of the OT and I wish she used more of the prequel music that would have been more impactful at times.
There was a part in the duel where I said aloud, "you know there is a theme for them fighting right? You can use that."
I feel Fallen Order respects the original score really well. You have a piece to help portray almost every emotion.
I know this isn't Williams' fault, since I highly doubt he's a gamer, but someone pointed out that the theme sounds like the PS4 Spider-Man theme and I couldn't unhear it.
The music was forgetful at best
I wouldn’t even tell you what the new theme is. Is it the music in the title? I wouldn’t know because it’s lame and quiet
You addressed what my brain couldn't put into words when it comes to the new lightsaber appearance.
I wish the final fight had some like elevation changes, different scenery? Look at the Anakin-Ventress fight in the 2003 clone wars. That would have been awesome.
It's like James said in their initial review, it's about having a sense of where it started, where it goes, and where it ends
I noticed with that also with the lightsaber. The way it hits stormtroopers makes it feel more like a bat and not a laser sword
I’m floored I loved how real and bright the sabers looked and felt in this show
The scene between them at the end was good. They used the blue light for good, red light for evil, etc. That’s all I watched.
I was happy with the show I wasn’t a fan of Reva but I think they handled Kenobi and Vaders relationship very well. Fortress inquisatoriius was awesome to see and was a great tie in to Jedi Fallen order. It’s not the best show but I think in the end this was a good use of two characters and it was nice to see the grand inquisitor again he is always awesome.
I'm so glad someone said something about how much older Hayden looked. When I saw it the first time, my thought was wow he doesn't look like his younger self at all. Like James said, he looks good for 40 but he looks older though.
Its almost like its been 17 years since Haden was Anakin......Its almost like he aged 17 years since 2005
@@lutherheggs451 well duh that’s why they shoulda de aged him
@@dguz7625 WHY? As people hated absolutely trashed on the de-aging used for Luke/Mark Hamill
Hauahauaahuahaua! Just wanted to say I'm from Brazil and I always laugh when you two make any kind of spontaneus joke! Feels like you're having a good time and it's very much my type of humor!
Best youtube channel for geek stuff out there! Keep it up!
Love the idea of the Emperor just saying “settle down” to a fidgety Vader in an Australian accent
Is English that far off Ozzie? I mean, I can 100% tell the difference between English and Aussie accents, but muricans can’t. So does it make it any better?
Glad that James brought up the weird glowstick sabers. I thought originally when I saw it in Force Awakens that it was a good idea to make them actually glow, but now I have to say I dislike it a lot. Bring back the wooden sticks!
Yeah it's weird, it almost looks a little cheap now... and it's not a big deal/there's no way around it, but you can see Hayden's non-CG lightsaber in the reflection of his helmet lol
It's because they don't add the extra CG to the sabres. I believe the sequel movies did so it wasn't as jarring. If they just added an effect so the edges aren't as defined like a solid object, it would look good.
@@ANGELOFDARKification if they were flickering more it’d look a lot better. I love the amount of light that pours out of them tho
@@Cvmpbell Same. I do think the blue lightsabre needs to be a lighter shade of blue though.
I absolutely loved the series. Probably because he’s my favourite character but I still enjoyed it a lot. Yes, there were problems but it was still fun to watch every week. I’m want a season 2 but only if the story makes sense (no leaving Tatooine again) if not, then I am perfectly happy with this.
I thought I was the only one who noticed this about the lightsabers since they started showing up in The Mandalorian till now. I feel like certain shots, it really does look like one of those stunt sabers where they forgot to replace it with a true CGI saber.
I think making the lightsabers colored flood lights was a completely stylistic choice to make them more imposing and significant. It makes them a giant signal that really stands out anywhere, which fits with how rare they're becoming and how big a deal it is to see one at that point in time
"You changed your height" - Cracking put down. Also Kenobi once again having the physical high ground
Omg the lightsaber looking like a toy is how I’ve felt but ain’t seen anyone else mention it
Im on the complete opposite side of the spectrum to James when it comes to the lightsabers. I thought they looked great here and the light emitted from them looks fantastic.
Especially the transition from mainly Obi-Wan's blue saber light to Darth Vader's red one after the gash in his helmet, when they're talking
reporting from Wisconsin, USA.... we do indeed have Aldis, and the special buy aisle sounds equally random across the pond lol
Yeah, California as well. We hates the quarter hostages - we hates them!
I'm surprised you didn't notice that they fixed the plothole of OT Leia describing her mother as if she knew her personally, by having Obi-Wan describe Padme to her. He recites the descriptors that Carrie Fisher says in the OT.
That’s not a plot hole. Leia is force sensitive. Anakin literally has visions of the future, Rey touches a lightsaber and she sees real life visions of the past.
Leia could have padmes face burnt into her memory through a force vision.
Good call. Plot hole or not, that was good writing.
@@ThinkGarzaToo bad we don't care about the characters.
The obiwan vs corn of coblin fight was probably my favorite fight in the last episode. Quality TV right there.
It makes me sad that nobody seems to know that in some of the non-canon comics now that Obi-Wan and Owen were brothers but they never found out with Obi-Wan being the older brother. They may have tried to hint at it at one point when Obi-Wan mentioned that he vaguely remembers having a brother.
I have a pre-Special Edition Star Wars Encyclopedia so I love sharing that fact!
His brother should be Ben and they can use a deepfaked alec guinness. Obi-Wan would train him as a Jedi who also beats vader and calls him darth. Then they could use Obi-Wan in new sequel material when Ewan gets old!
@@spaceghostcqc2137 That wouldn't make any sense with anything we've seen thus far.
@@billwenham yeah, I think that it’s pretty awesome that they at one point brothers and didn’t even know it. Like I said I seriously think they some what hinted at it in the episode that Obi-Wan talks about having a brother. I wonder if they didn’t want to keep it because it would be too much of a coincidence that the man that just so happens to be raising Luke is his brother. Then that would make Vader his brother by marriage, and Luke his nephew by marriage also. Like I said they probably thought that it would be too much of a coincidence but it would put a whole new dynamic to the connection between Obi-Wan, Luke, Vader, and Owen. But I feel like how the force works that the force could’ve put all of that together. But I could be tripping also 😂.
@@billwenham nope, it's a pretty out-there theory lol
I absolutely adored this series, I grew up with the prequels and this took me back to my childhood every ep. biggest smile on my face when he dropped the “hello there”
I think this series relied too much on nostalgia, I liked the sisters little twist in the middle of the series (not the end) And the fight scene between Kenobi and Vader was very cool. But the pacing felt too rushed and the overall story was meh, I personally wouldn't watch it again but I definitely enjoyed the hype towards the TV show.
Personally I think it’s pretty good with some amazing moments.
However if this footage was just edited into a movie it would work way better
This show was so canon-breaking I half expected Doctor Strange and Chavez to fall through a scene at some point.
Along with John Cena, John Wick, half the cast of The Avengers along with Starkiller and Jacen Solo.
Would be funny to pull in Mace Windu as well so he can meet Nick Fury. Might as well since we're obviously dealing with fanfiction writing here.
I like that two of my favorite podcasts talked about ALDI's in the same week.
Wish you would have mentioned that Reva apprently TWICE survived the same stab wound that killed Qui-Gon. And not only did she survive the second time, but she was able to fly a ship and fight right after it happened
Just imagine that the second time the lightsaber went perfectly into the hole that was left in her abdomen from the first time, and she was just faking being injured so they would leave her to die. It explains away so much that otherwise makes no sense XD
come on man, by now it’s clearly just the writers saying “dark side y’all” i can live w it.
Reva was stabbed in the side. Qui-gon was stabbed through the gut and still lived for like 10min after.
She also displeased Vader twice and was allowed to live.
George Lucas always said Dark Siders uze the force to try to preserve their mortal life as long as they can Darth Plagueis style, because they cannot become a force ghost after their death. And Force Ghosts are "more powerful than you can possibly imagine".
That's why he did what he did with Maul in Clone Wars.
Qui-Gon got stabbed in a similar area, but he also wasn't killed. He survived as a force ghost. Reva was a dark side user at the time and thus used everything to cling to her mortal life like Vader.
Honestly I think the fight could have been even shorter. I didn’t need any magic rock throwing. Just two samurai, full of emotions, squaring off. The mask cut open was done very well, loved that.
The rock throwing was pretty cool though
The score didn’t seem to wow me at all, there were a few moments like the first time we saw the inquisitors, and was great to see the imperial march and force theme if only in very little moments but memorably it didn’t seem to do anything revolutionary.
I loved when Kenobi jumped down from The Rock and said "it's Kenobi time"
That final “Obi-Wan!” scream with the mix of Anakins and Vaders voices was fucking hauntingly awesome.
When Obi-Wan has his monologue with leia at the end, Leia’s theme song plays. That was FANTASTIC in terms of score.
I have mixed feelings about the first season. Even tho Darth Vader was amazing, I feel they kinda wasted his comeback. I would have loved if they made this season about Obi-Wan surviving the Inquisitors with a little bit of Vader at the end (like they did in Fallen Order). It would have given more time for Obi-Wan to get back to his former self and then, making him get destroyed by Vader in the final episode (like they did in ep 3) would have been devastating and a great introduction for a new story arc in a potential season 2.
I feel like this shows primary pull was the obi wan/Vader meeting tho. Without that you just have the reva arc, which although I enjoyed, can’t really stand by itself
If they had played Anakin’s Dark Deeds during his conversation with Obi-was after the fight, it would have been 10x better
that was one of the few scenes that had good music though. I don’t get fixation of Star Wars fans to just throw a prequel track on any emotional scene even if it wasn’t made or edited for it
That's my favorite ACDC song
Also imperial march when he was walking down that street snapping people necks earlier on- idk why they where so restrained with past music. I guess whoever produced the music for this one wanted to try some funky shit or wanted to show off their own songs. Like the music was decent but you cant not use the big bad music when the big bad does the bad things.
@@BagelBoi4000 That scene was meant to portray Obi Wans intense panic and fear and the score fit that perfectly. Having Imperial March blaring would not have fit at all.
@@RobBomford I also think they wanted to wait until that last episode with Vader in his castle to have it play for the first time for full effect. Like even after that emotional confrontation with Obi-Wan, he is still fully Darth Vader.
Surely I can't be the only wan who thought that The Main Theme sounded so much like the Spider-Man PS4 theme
4:39 now I can’t unsee Luke just flying through the whole OT with the Inquisitors chopper lightsaber 😂
Love that we find out the canonical reason Darth has a random scar on the top of his head in return of the Jedi when his mask is off.
does what all good star wars does, answer questions we never had but adds a reason you love star wars.
Random? Why random? The old reason was to alleviate pressure.
I hard disagree with you on the lightsabers I loved how they lit up every scene they were used in it really helped with how scared Obi Wan was when he was fighting Vader
I expected it to be underwhelming ... and sadly, it was. My big issue with the finale was simply that Obi-Wan beat Vader, and relatively easily. So easily that there was no practical reason for him to hide for the next two decades - give or take.
I think a more interesting, and - frankly - logical direction would have been if Anakin actually was stronger than he'd been before and Obi-Wan was forced to evade him and flee. That's the guy that hides for decades in the desert, mortally afraid of being discovered - the guy that's outmatched with no options for a direct confrontation.
The Obi-Wan in this series could apparently take out the first Death Star, just as long as he caught it shortly after the destruction of Alderann so there'd be plenty or rocks to toss.
Obiwan did not beat Vader “fairly easily.” What are you talking about. And that other stuff is legit what Kenobi did for most of the series
That would make even less sense in context with vader's ANH line about being an apprentice last time they met.
The guy was buried alive and you call that easy? People also forget that several times in the show it's mention that Vader is weak to obi because of his connection to him it's why the emperor told him to cut out the emotions and stop caring. It's shown that Darth Vader is stronger but he gets careless with his moves and fucks up. As for why obi would stay hiding is simple because the empire basically own the Galaxy lol. Obi still would have got fucked if he decided to go against Vader,the crap ton of troops,death star and the freaking emperor. So no it's still makes sense why he stays in hiding. Although I wouldn't mind Vader winning but for how this show was written it made sense that Vader would loose. The line were he says "the last time we met I was your apprentice" kinda still makes sense as in I was still weak towards you and cared way to much but no I have no attachments. Idk that fight scenes was pretty perfect showing Vader being alot stronger but his ego and the drive to kill obi was his downfall.
Obi Wan should've never even met Vader in this series. It makes no sense.
@@schmecklin377 it makes perfect sense
Is no one going to talk about the part at 19;43 in the last episode . where Owen lars straight up punches the inquisitor in the vadge 🤣
I just noticed an anachronism in the Coruscant flashbacks (not their age, obviously).
Anakin doesn’t have a robotic hand so it takes place before AotC, but he also has the signature _Skywalker saber_ that doesn’t show up until TCW because Anakin can’t stop breaking sabers in AotC, so that’s weird…
I meant to mention this! I don't know what's going on there
It's the correct lightsaber. Look in the Attack of the Clones visual dictionary. He just made a similar looking saber after he broke this one.
Loved the morbius cameo…I got so emotional when morbius used the dark side of the morb to absolutely wreck obi-wan
I loved it. It wasn't perfect, but I could pick holes in any bit of Star Wars if I wanted to. It thrilled me, it made me feel like a kid watching Star Wars again, and that's all I need.
exactly ☝🏽
I think we should see a live action maul again. Especially if they're going to do an Obi-wan/ Qui-gon series, Darth Maul would fit in perfectly there. But also they kinda did that in rebels but who knows??
I was thinking about this as well. As far as I know, we don't really know what happens to Maul between the end of Clone Wars and when he turns up on Malachor in Rebels (other than one giant cliffhanger at the end of Solo). So it's very possible that Maul and Kenobi meet up again at some point, although it would have to be for a reason other than going after Luke/Leia IMO.
I get what you mean about the saber light intensity. In the old stuff the sabers are light, new sabers just emit light. And the rounded tips are just so obvi. Like safety scissors.
I loved the scene where anakin is speaking to him and we see his face and Obi wan’s tearing up over telling him he’s sorry he failed him.
The last 2 episodes were very entertaining, my complaints about the writing and lack of continuity stand. 40 year old 19 year old anakin was an odd choice but I will say Hayden Christensen seems to have improved as an actor
Or just given better lines. Great actor's can arguably elevate poor material but I think there are limits. Give younger Hayden Christianson better dialogue and I suspect he gives a solid performance.
I feel exactly the same about the excessive ambient glow from the Disney+ sabers
I'd have to say that Kenobi fully met my expectations. I expected it would be crap and Disney did not disappoint.
The first words in this video being Hello there
Is top notch
Who’d have thought that Obi-Wan was Corn-Of-Coblin the whole time!