The 2022 Honda Civic Si Is a Sporty-ish Civic
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2022 Honda Civic Si review! The Honda Civic Si is a sporty version of the 2022 Honda Civic -- and today I'm going to review it. I'm going to show you all around the Civic Si and show you the quirks and features of this Civic, and I'm also going to drive the new Civic Si and show you what it's like behind the wheel.
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Nice to see Doug review more affordable cars.
He does it because that’s where the views are.
@@mysliwya easily debatable
Yawn. IDGAF about poor people cars.
@@Rew123 then why did you click on the video 😆
@@Rew123 well the numbers don’t lie.
I think Doug nailed it on who the buyer is. They're not thinking oh the gli/gti/veloster are faster for a little more money. They're thinking oh this car is faster than your standard daily and still has good fuel economy. It's a manual, it's fun, but you don't have to feel guilty about driving it.
I have the previous generation si and I bought it for the reasons you and Doug listed. I have a fun/fast project car I enjoy going for drives on the weekend. My Si gets me to work cheaply and is more fun to drive than a Civic Ex.
Got my 2018 focus ST for 18,000 with 40,000 miles. Put some mods on it for 2,000 dollars and it makes 270 to the wheels. Don't feel guilty at all!
My 16' Fiesta ST nearly matches this in MPG, and feels far more fun! No regrets whatsoever.
I just got a 2020 si and I agree with this completely.
But what does it do better than the GLI/GTI besides costing a nominal amount less?
I miss Doug actually breaking down the scores and why he gave them. I always liked that.
Me too… 😔
No
@@yungboicontigo9278 Doug score is stupid
I always skipped to the next video once the Doug score part came on lol
me too!
I liked to compared to what score I would gave to the car
My wife and I both own Volkswagens, and let me tell you...regardless of the power comparison, the Civic SI will be on the road looooong after the Jetta GLI has been sent to the junkyard. It will also destroy the GLI on resale value and maintenance costs.
Agreed!
They didn't want the si to be "too good" and make people not want to spend more for a Type R. Looks like mission accomplished I'd say.
Actually Acura is bringing back the integra. That's probably what they don't want it to compete with.
To describe what Honda did to BMW here in literary terms it’s as if BMW wrote a classic play called Julius Caesar. And Honda when ahead and rewrote their own play and called theirs Julius Shmeaser.
@@24bergman that was the weirdest comparison ive ever read and also i have no clue what you mean by any of that
I'd pay 5k more and get the Elantra N
@@Mr.Thermistor7228 are you telling me you don’t detect a little plagiarism among the engineers at Honda in their new Civic design that completely mimics the 3 series sedan without any attempt to conceal their nefarious artistic liberties?
I don’t know soooo many people complain about the power seats. The manual rail to go forward and backward is better and faster obviously. 1 less electrical item to fail and cost the customer hundreds of dollars in the distant future.
preach king
the most vocal ironically do not have buying power. it's just noise from unemployed psychos or literal children
While I can understand your point of view on power seats, seats are more than just moving in two directions at two different points. Being everyone is different in size, shape and age, having the ability to adjust in multiple different configurations makes driving more comfortable, especially long distances. I'd gladly pay the minimal cost to attain power seats for that reason. Power windows? Now that is something more reasonable to be against. Besides, it's extremely rare that power seats have issues that I'm aware of. Not saying it never happens, but when was the last time a friend, co-worker or family member complained they had to repair their power seat once and boycotted them going forward? Basically zero.
Power seat + seat memory is awesome when you have multiple people driving the same car tho
Would you say the same thing if it had hand crank windows tho 😂
I like Doug's theory about the buyers being looking at the regular Civic but the biggest problem with that is most causal buyers aren't looking for a stick shift.
Yes, but most Civic buyers aren't as interested in performance either. If you ARE, there's a good chance you ARE interested in the stick.
I guess I'm an exception to the theory. I was looking at the GTI, Veloster N and Kona N but ended up buying the Si. The Si just has the best interior (I'm in Canada so I get all the extra goodies) and is the best compromise between fun and not too much of a crashy ride. Also fuel economy was a pro because of the rising prices. I do feel a little called out by Doug because stretching to the Kona N or top trim GTI would have put more of a strain on my budget.
@@mynameisnoxe the Civic SI in Canada is positioned differently due to the upgrades. It is the top trim in Canada whereas the Touring is top dog in the US. The Canadian SI really isn't part of this argument.
@@mynameisnoxe fellow Canadian interested in this car, how do you feel it does in the cold up here? Given that it's not uncommon to see -50° and a couple feet of snow at times, would you describe the car as dailyable here? How is traction in the snow? And I'm assuming because it's a manual, remote start is a no go?
@@mynameisnoxe Glad you're happy with your purchase but that's where Cert. Pre-Owned comes in, and I can't believe anyone would call the GTI crashy.
everyone seems to forget that the civic si was never mean to be some crazy fast sports car that everyone and their mom wanted. It has always been a pretty basic car with better handling and slightly more power than your average car. The 2022 seems to nail that one perfectly, with the car handling great and making 220hp(handata proved this on a stock 2022 si) it seems to me like it’s the perfect car for someone who wants reliability, good fuel economy, and a slightly sportier version of your average commuter car. i do agree that honda skimped on some things with the car but i believe that with the aftermarket support this car is already seeing it will be a great car for the right person
I love how doug teases the next car he's about to review whenever he's promoting cars and bids
I hate it because I feel the car he is teasing is always more interesting than the car he is currently reviewing
I remember waiting at least a couple weeks to see the Vibe GT after he teased it in the S2000 video. Hopefully we don’t have to wait too long for the GTI. 🤞
@@yungboicontigo9278 every time I see the back of the Volkswagen I always think is the Civic lol
Not always. He teased a Dodge Ramcharger several months ago and has never aired it. I've mentioned it a couple times but he never responds
He needs to do the corolla SE next!
Its disappointing to see the Canadian version get a full digital dash, heated seats, and heated steering wheel all at a cheaper price than the US version. The handling and feel is there, not sure why Honda always holds out on just bumping up the power a little bit and make it standard, not making people buy some Type R to get some real power. That’s always been the Achilles heel of the SI, relatively underwhelming power numbers. Honda should've increased the horsepower of the Si, it's been 200hp for a long while now. Competitors have increased the power of their performance cars while the Civic Si is stuck at 200 horsepower.
Still better than korean vehicles
Simple, Cheap, Quick, Cheap. Interior is still nicer than the new GTI.
@UCbBkGvbiZK9myvNS1a69zxw Have you seen the new interior on the GTI? Its a step backward in design. Sure the 2.0T is a better engine, but its still got all the German Headaches.
Wouldn't make sense giving the Si too much power with the Type R being a thing.
In the late 80's, loaded 5.0 Mustangs used to compete against stripped out Honda Civics (back seats tossed out, interior stripped out, no AC) getting their tails creamed by the V8 Mustangs running full AC, power everything, stereo going full blast, intact interior. I loved it.
Just to clarify the navigation option on the instrument cluster is also for Android Auto and Apple Carplay rather than just a compass. Just be sure to have a destination set, it will show you the turns and distances.
Just so you know if you plan on using HondaLink with this vehical; the app on your phone won't sync up at the moment. I have notified the dealer about said issue. This effects Samsung and Iphone counter parts. It's apparently the app itself from the phone, not knowing what to do with the vehical information. But it will say it's connected. If anyone has any other issues please let me know, so I can inform the honda dealer. I will report back if a fix was issued.
Yep, I have a Civic Touring and I can confirm if you have a route set using Apple Maps it will show the next turn in the gauge cluster. While I'm here, for my money I'd get the Sport Touring hatchback over the Si, it can be had with a manual as well. Many of the features Doug mentions are missing in the Si are available on the Sport Touring, and it's the same engine
@@michaelwillard6840 Thank you for confirming that! Mind you yo do miss out on the Auto Rev matching, and the already installed helical limited-slip differential from the factory. Though I would say the tuning on the engine in the Si is a bit more peppy and revs a lot faster due to it's twin scroll turbocharger.
It’s kinda interesting how 3 times in a row now Honda has followed the same pattern for the even/odd generations of the Civic. The even generations (6, 8, 10) all had bold new styling directions, represented massive leaps forward in tech and generally felt much more expensive than they actually were. The odd generations (7, 9, 11) have all felt like softer, cheaper feeling and more conservatively styled iterative versions of the generation that preceded them.
Idk the new si doesn't seem cheap at all as a matter of fact looks much more upscale compared to the 10th gen.
@@matrxzeno4761 The fact that it lost a lot of content from the last Gen (heated seats, dual zone climate, fog lights, adaptive shocks) makes it seem kinda cheap to me.
@@splewy yeah that I agree with. Wish the american market got the fully spec'd out version like the other countries.
thats an amazing point! I def agree! the 7th, 9th and 10th gens were sooo fresh at each time and really amazing with looks and performance! This new civic looks so basic and average
6th gen wasn’t really a bold look compared to the 5th Gen it looked more like a facelift. And they got rid of Si hatchback that gen
Hasn’t “Si” always translated to “Sporty ish” when compared to the type R’s?
I feel the new models are a bit too refined and isolated. Look at 15 Si, it has a nice throaty noise. But the generation after just lost all exhaust tone and became too refined and civilized like the GTI
Does seem to mean that cause when you look at the capital S and then they downsize the i 😂
Si meant top of the heap sporty in the us market , type r didnt even exist until 1996ish in japan only.
😂
Technically it means "sport injected" since the base models were still using carburetors at the time. Nowadays all cars use fuel injection but the name has still stuck around
Canadian version of the Si is based on the top Touring trim, meaning it has larger screen, heated seats and wheel, navi and all the goodies. US customers get an EX model platform for the Si.
incorrect, we get everything except heated seats and wheel. And unless the Canadian trim has parking sensors etc, it's the same as the US otherwise. We have the larger screen, navi, bose etc. All Canadian trims come standard with heated seats and wheel, even the LX to my knowledge.
Don’t forget the shift lights!!!
@@AsAngelsFall221 the Canadain trim dose in fact come with front and rear parking sensors also fog lights , mirror turn signals. As far as in the interior goes you get a full digital cluster heated front and rear seats plus steering wheel garage door opener wireless charging a pretty much touring spec trim
US model only gets half (left side) digital dash. Other countries get full digital. No shift lights, no heated wheel, and no heated seats.
Plus US Honda dealers are marking them up 5k.
Honda reliability, very affordable, fantastic 6 speed manual, great daily driver (gas milage, comfortable), sporty handling. Not a bad package
I have a 2018 Si and I absolutely love it. The handling is impeccable. It also has all of the missing amenities this new version doesn't(heated seats, dual climate control, etc.)
And it had a lower MSRP too; I was disappointed to see this new Si charge you more and give you less.
In 2 years it’ll have it all again.
This has changed into a semi quick daily driver to the bare bones to get it cheap (but not really what I'd call cheap) . It's definitely no sports car any longer.
The last Civic SI that was a sports car through and through was the Seventh gen. Hasn’t been the same since.
@@sarahwood8943 I highly agree
It's crazy to think this car costs more than an STI did a few years ago.
Indeed. It needs more performance or more pizzazz or both. The segment is no longer owned by Honda, with many more rivals appearing (most recently Veloster N and Elantra N). Honda seems to be OK giving up their hold on the segment in pursuit of being the least expensive car in the segment, and that's fine -- but it's definitely not the excitement machine it once was.
@@DougDeMuro I love it when Douglas interacts w/his fans!
In Mexico the Honda Civic Si is sold as Honda Civic Yes.
Thank you, I'll see myself out!
You mean, you'll si yourself out :)
Nice walk thru. You are the man to come check any 'quirks and features' to know about any car. Double👍👍 keep up the great work
Doug, mechanic here, most modern cars have a g meter for the ABS system. They just programed it to show on the dash. It didn't cost extra in parts, just programming.
Hondata's dyno has actually clocked this in at 222 hp and 233 lbft stock, so Honda have just been dumbing the numbers down.
What would the purpose of dumbing down your own numbers be?
@@6rayum A number of reasons. For example, in the 90’s Japanese car makers came to an unofficial agreement that they would not make sporty cars with more than about 280 hp because of safety concerns. In actuality, those cars typically had about 50 hp more than that. They knew it’s what people wanted but they also wanted to be seen to be concerned about safety.
So they can make the upcoming Integra look better.
Saw that. BMW is notorious for this as well. Personally I like when companies dilute down their horsepower numbers.
Keep in mind different dynos would report different numbers
I know that no navigation system sounds weird, but if this has Android Auto or Apple Car Play, is it really necessary? I don't think it's that bad, and honestly, maybe auto makers should move away from having proprietary nav systems, especially since most of us use our phones for nav anyway
Agree with that 100%
If Android Auto or Apple Car Play is connected it shows directions instead of the compass. Doug just showed pure ignorance about the car there.
@@deniscdyck Spot on. I had a 2019 Accord and it functioned this way as well (with Android Auto, anyway). It was actually better than any native navigation system I've had on my other cars.
Exactly. And in the situation where you’re in an area with no cell coverage, you just have to do your homework first and download the area you’ll be in before your trip. Ran into that in the Smokey Mountains a couple years ago after filling up with fuel. Both my phone and my buddies phone disconnected from Google Maps and we had to use the in car navigation. But other than that? CarPlay/Android Auto are superior.
Personally, I very much prefer the navigation in my vehicle (F150) over using mobile phone. It just is a better system. That said, if I had my wife's vehicle (Tahoe), I would eagerly await the day the stop offering such a terrible feature. Mine is really nice, and hers is quite poor. Not my singular opinion, as she agrees.
I was looking for a new civic to replace my truck so I can actually save money while having a mortgage. I was just bored by the CVT and also the 158 or 180 hp option in the sedan. This checked the box with the manual, plus the extra horsepower and mod friendliness is all appealing to me. When I get bored later I can mod it and easily have 250 hp reliably. I don’t need 300 horsepower, it will be my daily kid toter too. Just waiting until my truck is payed off in February to sell and buy. I will lower my monthly payment by $350 and save almost $200 a month in gas.🤷♂️
This car does look a million times better than mentioned alternatives though, for a few grand cheaper too. And still a bit of performance.
I feel that Honda dropped the ball with this one for the US market. My 2020 Si has heated seats, dual zone climate control and fog lights. It also has adjustable suspension tho that might not matter much once you swap out for coilovers. Tho the new fly wheel and rev matching is nice.
I have an ‘18, i wouldn’t recommend replacing the suspension, the stock is really good esp w the dampening. If anything people should just replace the springs w shorter performance like eibach
Honda had to cutback on options to keep it under 30k.
is it more expensive in canada though?
@@ryanb8736 it’s cheaper in Canada than in the US.
Just wait for a dude in canada to wreck his si then snatch his part out ;)
2:33 it's a 1.5L 4 cylinder... I was very confused looking at the engine only having 4 cylinders and he said 5
i got so excited for a millisecond when he said that
Came looking for this comment lol
I used to have a 2012 Civic SI, it had 201 HP. It's downright embarrassing that a decade later the Civic SI is *DOWN* 1 HP.
Agreed i had the 18 with 205 ! I tuned it and got 235/255 tq out of it but still underpowered!
Yet no one bats an eye when the WRX has the same experience with HP gains or losses 🤡
Go check out hondatas actual dyno numbers😂it made 240 to the crank actually stock. Honda just puts those numbers to trick people
@@LV426Survivor Maybe because the WRX is actually fast?
@@andremessado7659 ahahahahahaha
That old red Civic SI that Doug showed is what my dad had in college. '86 Civic CRX Si
Only OG fans will remember period when Doug sell signed photographs for a while. Such a cringe times.
Whoa talk about flashback. I totally forgot about that.
Lmao no way 🤣🤣🤣
Back in 2006 I had a co-worker who got an Si coupe new. It was a genuinely nice car and Honda was ahead of the curve. This Si seems cheap in comparison. I am in Canada but am sure an Si would be close to $40K CDN right now if you could even find one.
the 2006 SI is a masterpiece compared to this piece of shit tbh.The k20 is such a great engine,the 1.5t is gutless.
@@alpe3784 the 2005 Si should have had the K20a2 instead of a3
I still have my 08 civic SI.. the motor is solid @165k miles. It needs little to restore. I still love it.
233k miles eighth gen is reporting in. Only thing killing it is winter salt
@@alpe3784 if I was going to get one it would be the 2012 era one that had the TSX 2.4 engine
Doug was basically like "Oh I forgot. You guys are poor." 😂
As for the navigation portion of the instrument clusters. On newer Honda models, it displays navigation instructions while you have a destination programmed into the car. Otherwise, you just see the compass. My 2018 accord was the same way.
As an auto technician who likes to keep his car for a long time, this car is for me! Also you can probably get a tune to crank up the boost to get extra 10-15hp which is not bad😆👍
I think hondata is already tuning them to way more than that.
You guys should watch ososiik on TH-cam. He tracked an si few bolt ons and a hondata tune. Professional race at driver Yoshihara-San drove it fairly mild on first lap and motor blew. Lol. One reason why I’m taking a double take on getting this si or not.
Good luck with the "sticky steering wheel" problem. There's even a class action lawsuit against Honda happening now.
How many years have we been hearing: “one of the laaast manual transmissions!”
Every third fucking video honestly
This is so true
@@joshmacdonald6911 what kind of cheese would you like with that?
I'm glad we keep hearing it though.
I just wish I could get a full size truck with a manual.
I think this car is unique because it can *only* be bought with a manual.
Doug is always coming in Clutch!! Great review man!
My 2003 TL 3.2 (not type S) had 229 hp IIRC and had adequate horsepower whenever I needed it. And it weighed about 500 lbs more. Not everyone needs more than that. I think the availability of that power, handling, braking etc. are just as important. That 30 mpg is important too. I'm just as interested in that. I guess what I'm saying is, balance is a great thing in a car and it seems if you care about the performance side enough that a base Civic just doesn't quite do it for you, there's the Si.
When are they gonna put a V12 in a Civic - been waiting for years.
rather need a v10 or v12 nsx
and S2000
Lol. They'd rather make the Civic electric than try to force a V12 under that hood.
@Damilola Akanni
what about a performance hybrid civic
@Cekia Selmi ♋️ reported 🥰
I like how Doug mentioned the MPG. I have a 2020 Si and drive it fairly hard and still get over 35mpg (with premium, which is recommended). The new WRX gets...21mpg combined...woof!
I agree, people forget that at heart the civic is always an economic, long lasting car first. The wrx might be sportier, but it's not a car you can daily (this is coming from a subie owner lol)
AWD kills your fuel economy. Even in my '13 Impreza, largely unmodded except for a Borla axle back & K&N Filter, I struggle to achieve 25 mpg combined. My '10 Si has been Hondata-tuned to practically eliminate all fuel economy though.... saving the planet is not my Si's mission. Ha Ha.
Nothing like being reminded that you drive an economy car when you are proud of the mpg.
That’s what people are missing, compared to the rivals this car has way better fuel economy. This is for people who want a funner commute to work while not breaking the bank. If I’m going to be paying sports car gas prices I’d rather go get a used V8 or V6 coupe then any of the cars in this segment.
I didn't like the new civic design at first, but seeing it in this color makes me like it quite a bit more. Looks awesome with the black wheels
When i bought my 23' Si I was cross-shopping with the Corolla SE M/T and the Sentra SR Turbo M/T. This car slots perfectly between those and cars like the GTI and WRX
Hold it a minute- How many of you including Doug have driven this car for any length of time. I have and can say it is way more fun to drive than many of my previous rides- including a 2019 Alfa Romeo Quadrifoglio with 505 HP, several Ford Mustang GT's of the 80's and early '90's, Z28 Camaros of the same era, a 2014 Porsche Cayman , and throw in a 1970 BMW 2002 and a 1972 Alfa Romeo GTV. This car for the money is as good as it gets. It steers, handles rides and hustles just fine. For the street it is the ideal little rocket. And the power output is well underrated by Honda. Hondata as well as others that have dyno'd these out of the showroom are getting 220- 230HP. But HP isn't the main thing, it is the broad torque band that saves the day. Where my Alfa Quad would spin the tires any time you pressed on the gas in race mode- it is fun for a few minutes until you realize you can't use the power on the street. With this gem you can play all day and feel like you are going fast, and you are going quickly, just not insane fast. This car is fun and I put it up there with my 1970 BMW and 1972 Alfa- that had 100 HP less! And what are two classics known in the sports car world- that '70 BMW and that '72 Alfa GTV. I considered spending the extra on the Elantra N but could not justify the extra $$ to have quicker 0-60 times and a few more amenities.
I also had a Honda Civic too and it was an excellent vehicle and it was excellent during my time doing ride share my gets almost 40 mpg and it was sporty too.
I can't agree more with you, just picked up mine weeks ago and I love every minute behind the wheel. Sure it's slower than its competition (GLI, elantra N), and also cars I have driven (M340i, C43, and RS3), heck it's even slower than my RAV4 v6 lol. Those cars are fast compared to the SI and very capable for sure, but in reality you can't even utilize maybe 5/10 of their potentials in 95% of situation, vs SI I have so much fun throwing it into a corner and come out the same corner with full throttle, all while maintaining legal speed with a grin on my face. The point is numbers do not draw the whole picture especially if you can't utilize and enjoy every ounce of it, and you also have to factor in other qualities that are not measurable (Excellent steering and shifter feel, broad power band and free revving engine).
@@lesliemiros6743 Glad you agree. I am getting 38 MPG with mine.
I'll keep my 18 civic Si. Bought it brand new with 7 miles. I haven't had to put a dime into it, other than maintenance. I just now replaced my factory tires last week at 4 years 62k miles. They took away heated seats, fog lights and dual climate control. next!! Lol I would love to go to Canada and buy a Canadian Si, they come with alot more bells and whistles. But if I did that, honda in the US wouldn't do warranty work on a Canadian Si that is daily driven
I was thinking the same thing. I'm only about a 8-10 hour drive from the Canadian border so I wonder how feasible it is to buy an Si up there and bring it back to America.
@Kevin Norris I 100 percent would, but Honda dealerships wouldn't warranty a Canadian Si that lives in the U.S. I live dead center of Wisconsin so it was tempting until I read in multiple places they wouldn't warranty it here
they stripped it all out because they're putting it all in the Integra and making you pay a premium for the Acura name
@@kevinnorris6558 To import a car into the United States, I believe it has to be 25+ years old.
Get ktuner, pherable tune, and a cold air intake(prl or map performance), and a poco shift knob. Makes it 15x better
I love hearing your perspective Doug! Great review!
My dad had the last gen si. It was a very fun car to learn a stick shift in. I learned how to drive like Paul walker and a stick shift in it so it will always be special to me. It took turns so well it would scare my friends
In the next couple of years, this car is going to be riced out. 😂
Got my 2018 SI brand new off the truck in 2018 for 23k out the door. Crazy how the market is now. That 30k price range is very competitive
Great review. This is what I plan on getting this year. I’ve got a truck but want a fun car. 200 HP is enough for me. I really like the fact that it’s only offered in manual. And being the best priced sports car with great gas mileage is a huge plus for me.
Nice review sad to see so many options missing on this car. I’ll wait and see if they add some of the missing options over the next couple years.
Doug while you say this car doesn't have the "performance" to match its class of cars, the Si is currently the Autocross champ in its class (Versus the GTI and Focus ST at National level events). Reason being its light weight, good differential, great handling and the ability to adjust front camber.
Doug only looks at pointless spec numbers and not real life performance. Everyone that took this car to a track or canyon driving says it is amazing and far superior compared to wheel hopping competition that only is good on paper.
I agree with you. But I think most people looking for a Civic will be taking it to the grocery store, not the autocross or a canyon.
Only a Honda enthusiast will get the significance of the subtle changes made to this Si. It's not about the horsepower but how that power is delivered. '80-'90's era CRX Si's and VW GTI's barely had over 100 horsepower but the driving "fun factor" they delivered was "off the charts". Honda knocked it out the park with this one !
These videos are informative, entertaining, and I lose weight just watching this guy.
hey Doug love your reviews. Can you review the Jetta GLI too? That will cover a descent portion of compact sports sedans already seen the WRX, Elantra N and now the SI
If I had 30k, I would buy this car. I'm not going to street race, brag to my friends about HP, or go to the track. What I AM going to do, is drive it into the ground. This car will last WAY longer than any of its competitors, and cost FAR less to operate. If I wanted anything else, I would probably have to settle for a CVT, which I really don't like. I think Honda will sell many of these Civics. Considering my last Civic had 140 HP, 200 HP sounds pretty good.
Get you a honda accord hybrid. Way nicer interior/exterior, bigger, and you get significantly better mileage. Its feels just as quick in sport mode.
No CVT the Si and the type R have a 6 manual transmission. You'll save yourself the trouble of the CVT
Im sorry id rather have a v6 camry for that purpose, pay like 5k more for legitimate power.
Not gonna last longer then the Corolla. Corolla hatch back also looks cooler then this.
You could consider a used 2013-2017 Honda Accord. You can get a six speed manual on the 4 cylinders or some of the V6 models if you look hard enough. Or a six speed auto (depends on the model year and engine, 2017 4 cylinder autos were all CVTs).
I recently got a 2022 Honda civic but not the SI and I completely agree with the backseat being roomy. Out of all of its competitors and I have tried them all it has the roomiest backseat of any of them. I honestly don’t know how they do it but I’m so glad they do and I’m so glad I got it.
How many people you hauling back there?
Y'all acting like families don't exist lol
Not review related, but I love Doug’s shirt, a first gen Highlander. As an owner of one I love that he has one on his shirt considering how no one really pays attention to them
Good review. I’m not so happy to see the changes Honda has made in comparison to the rest of the market. I guess I’ll be keeping my ‘15 Si.
$28k for a 200 hp Civic Si... blows my mind. I remember when the 300hp STi was first released in NA for $31k and everyone thought it was so expensive.
Agree
Inflation
Act like the sti now isn't a 40k car lol
It’s not 28k it’s closer to 48k after the dealer is done with it
Adjusted for inflation based on 90’s prices this car is roughly the same price . For example 14000.00 msrp of a civic SI in 1994 which in todays dollars is equal to 27,000.00. Considering the cost of everything today it’s a great car for a great price.
The 5 cylinder slip up reminds me that I really want an RS3 still 😂
Thank you for this Doug. Nice lil refresher with this being video being relatable to myself. Lol 👌🙌
This was a good review. On point with whats needed to be know 👍👍
Has Doug done a video of the 90s Dodge Dynasty? I'd like to see it.
Wow I can't believe how big the Civic has become. It looks like an Accord
I have the 2018 which cost $24k. The Gen 10 DID have heated seats, as well as fog lights, dual zone climate control and a sun roof. Im surprised they downgraded it though
Ive heard claims that the new Si actually makes more hp than it claims
I think that navigation compass works when you use Android Auto/Apple Carplay
I’ve had my Si for about 5 weeks now. They’re pricier than the list price because of dealer markups. I drove a Jetta GLI with paddle shift a couple years ago and while the Honda is down on power it is a much much nicer feeling car than the VW-even our local Subaru dealer admits this is a nicer car than the WRX. I’m autocrossing mine and the tires stink but it was otherwise very satisfying to push hard. The Si is composed, refined, and when the warranty expires there won’t be any VW repair bills. Horsepower isn’t everything (though torque may be, and the Si is a low end torque beast).
Straight in with the 👅 Thiiiiiiisssss! Love your work, passion and DRIVE! Doug score 10 all round!
The Si is a great daily, you can get up to 40mpg highway, I got 38mpg combined during the summer. Also if you buy a K Tuner you can get 40hp+70ft lbs of torque with no other mods. Stock turbo/ full bolt on Si's make about 250hp and 280tq to the wheels and are very reliable though you will want a better clutch.
Doug's hand expressions when saying "Cars & Bids" are really the star of the show.
Lmao I might have to stop skipping that part then.
would have been nice to see them bring back the coupe body style for this car, especially since the rear seats have been simplified so much
This review is exactly what I needed. I'm wanting a new car and my budget is up to about $35000. I have been interested in the Civic Si since the previous generation but decided not to get one since the new one was just around the corner at the time. I don't NEED 4 doors or cargo space or maximum practicality, I am young with no kids (and as a member of the LGBT I don't have a desire to have any) so for me it's just about getting a car I like that's quick, sporty, and fun with the potential to take out on track every once in a while. So for me hearing all the drawbacks and lack of everyday features for the asking price I think I'm convinced on the Toyota GR86/Subaru BRZ. Thanks Doug!!
The tail lights on the trunk are very similar to the ones on newer volkswagen models. The levers to fold down the rear seats is also similar to to the ones that VW uses.
В моей Honda Civic 4d 8 gen точно такие же рычаги складывания сидений
Seems like a perfect tuners car. Cheap stuff and good cornering.
This engine won't last. Look at the lawsuit the Honda 1.5L turbo is going threw right now.
What are you talking about?? $30k is cheap?😂😂
Good luck finding it under 50k
I'm glad someone gets it.
@@mickeymang6 had a 2017 si making 280whp, and 304lbt. Got it at 10k miles, and had it tuned since 13k miles. Drive it 50k miles hard with a cold air intake, and upgraded downpipe. Never had any issues besides a tire issue which was due to a pothole. Oil changes 5k miles, and driven hard. It’s reliable
You should review the Kia Forte GT. It is a direct competitor to the Civic SI. I have a 2021 with a 1.6L Turbo. I have sport tuned suspension, sport exhaust, all of Kia’s driver assist features, heated and cooled leather seats with a power driver seat. Ambient lighting, a Harmon Kardon sound system. The list goes on and I got it for $30,000.
I owned a 7th gen. Civic Si and loved it. It's still one of my favorite cars I've had. So I have a bit of a soft spot for the Si. I like the looks of the new Civic and Si, but I'm more disappointed by what the US market doesn't get than about the horsepower decrease. (Also, from what I've seen online most dyno reports are showing it's actually more than 200 hp.) I think Honda held back knowing some or most of the missing features will be included on the new Acura Integra, I'm sure in part to justify the higher price of that car. But I bet Honda will add some of those features to Si over the next few years. Still, I would consider buying a new Si if there were any around for sale, and there wasn't a ridiculous dealer markup attached.
Funny you mentioned I owned a 90 sedan Integra I had 200 horses originally but the guy before me did a GSR swap plus added some goodies and I was pushing 275 and I was beating these heavy sedan civics passed the 90s on the road because my car was very light and 90s were gems for these cars
exactly, they will add those features in for the later model years just like they did for the 10th gen, i just hope they dont also increase the price. this is not a $28,500 car as it stands
Most of the features I can do without, such as shift lights, navi (since AA or Carplay is way better anyway), or the single zone climate control. Heated seats/wheel is quite useful for colder climate folks though, and the lack of that is disappointing. At least offer a $500 cold weather package or something. But you're probably right they are holding back the power and features so the Integra doesn't flop on release. It is odd that the Type R is 300 plus hp, yet the Si continues to be 200 hp, and is decontented. Hopefully that means the Integra is like 240 hp with all the features, and priced in the WRX range.
Shame ill have to import one from canada with all the bells and whistles
Perhaps Honda was thinking since the Civic has such huge aftermarket support that they didn't need to increase the power or add some of the "normal" features on most other cars. Idk
Or because there's another sports sedan/hot hatch from Acura coming with the same engine and probably more power.
These will need a clutch upgrade. It’s paper thin.
I really like this Honda Civic Si , it has an aggressive design without being exaggerated like the previous one.
I think the previous one had more spirit. I prefer the exaggerated design. Less boring car designs please. Cars are loosing character.
@@Madblaster6 a car is a car. The person driving should be the one with a personality dawg :))
Extra funny as I’m an engineer and the company I work for gave a Nissan Juke from 2011. Surprisingly advanced in technology considering the age of the car xD
I just bought one of these (2023) and I LOVE it! However this is probably one of the most fair, accurate and unbiased reviews I've seen so far. However, for under $2000, and minimal effort, you can make this car as powerful as the others mentioned (without voiding your warranty), and for a little more $$ you can make the Si a legit "Sports" car that will smoke those others, and still be right around (or under) the price point of the others. I think most ppl buying one of these have everything I just mentioned in mind before purchasing it. Stock Civic Si's usually don't stay stock for long. Plus the residual value of a Honda is unmatched, especially for the Si - so good you can almost consider it an investment (I said almost lol)
Hey Doug, you seem to have moved away from talking about each score category in greater detail (which I enjoyed) and simply jump to the final tally now. Any reason?
10 years ago I bought a new 2012 Si sedan. 200hp. Here we are in 2022 with... 200hp. the 8th and 9th gens with the K20 and K24 were fun and revved to the moon. Now the SI has this tiny, rev hangy, miniscule, lifeless dish of crap. Not to mention for the money you could fool me into thinking it was an LX. Honda phoned the Si in again. Crap v2.0
Hey that’s funny, my car is a 2012 Si sedan. Can’t believe it’s ten years old, and has the same power as the current one.
It’s not fast enough for you? Lol where are you racing to in this daily driver? Work?
Do you still have it??
“…..you start to wonder if it’s that much cheaper…..”. Doug says this when discussing the absence of heated seats and steering wheel. That’s a value consideration for sure, but this is cheaper than it’s competitors. That’s factually the case.
I think Doug has missed the point of this car. It’s quick enough and it handles quite well and it has an engaging demeanor about it. These are things that enthusiast drivers want. It also can carry people and things. I drove one and liked it quite a bit. I drove a veloster N also. It’s much much quicker but not as fun. If you want to drag race, don’t buy the Honda. If you want a mix of fun and practicality with really good value (as one considers the price of a new car is now 40k)…..don’t fail to consider this little Honda.
Could be my next car.
So does anybody know if i would be able to drive this car using the automatic rev matching feature? I am wondering because I do not know how to drive manual . I am just curious if i’d be able to work around that?
For a pretty much $30K+ car (after taxes), it does feel pretty barebones in some of those interior areas that were pointed out. Sure, 200HP isn't great either for 2022 but I'll forgive the power figures more so than interior amenities. I don't care for a heated seat or steering wheel or a wireless charger. These are niceties for sure but none of those are a dealbreaker for me. Also someone buying this, there's a good chance they are a Honda enthusiast but may throw some bolt-on performance parts on it over time and no OEM has as much aftermarket support more than Honda's so there won't be any shortage of bolt-on parts for this car in a few months time to eek out a few more horses for not much money.
@The Insufferable Tool I don't doubt what you're saying, VW's especially with chip tunes are easy to extract power from, have for years but personally I wouldn't finance/buy a VW. We have one leased now but VW's aren't exactly known for their reliability after the warranty has expired and I wouldn't hold my breath that I'd be one of the lucky ones that would get a problem free example. Doug's Si complaints are valid and I'm not endorsing this car by any means but I can sort of understand why the Honda loyalists would still defend this over the obvious and arguably better competitors out there.
Kinds crazy that my 2009 Si makes nearly the same horsepower
exactly this is really a hard sell. my friend got his 2018 type R for 38k and anyone looking for a 30k+ civic will probably pony up the extra bucks for the extra 100+ horsepower and better interior
Almost every dyno test showed this Si was actually making 220hp.
"no OEM has as much aftermarket support more than Honda". My gm LS based engine has something to say lol.
This might be the most analogue new car Doug has reviewed in the last year. Lots of people want cars with less interior power features and screen-based tech
It doesn’t have heated seats or dual zone climate lol. This car sucks.
Not even wireless charging or ambient lighting. Honda drops the ball with this one.
What surprises me is the price. I don't need heated seats, wireless phone charging, or dual zone climate control, but if I'm not getting those I just like to be paying a little bit less.
Right now a Golf GTI has over 20% more power and only costs about $1,000 more. I think if the Civic SI cost about $1,000 less or got the same features that the Canadian Civic SI gets, it would be a much better value.
It's not the car. It's how expensive it is for it's feature set.
@@pwd1134 Exactly! The features just screams $23k car. Not $28-29k. As a consumer, it gives me more reasons to explore options. I even go Civic Touring and lose the manual in the SI, only because it's lacking feature content.
Doug where do you get your T shirts? i love them all and would like to buy and browse some of them
Still. Sticking With my rare Lightweight 8200rpm EK Civic. Breaks necks all day. You can hear that Vtec coming from a mile away.
And people at events and cars and coffee gather around to take pics and ask about modifications done to it.
I haven't seen any new Si Civics getting crowds or pictures taken.
This Honda is sexy in a weird way
like how Aubrey Plaza is hot
There was no 2021 Honda Civic Si because the Honda Civic Si had to take a break in 2021, but then 2022 Honda Civic Si came in.
I swear I saw this get uploaded, unless I’m confusing the upload with a preview of this car in a previous video like he usually does
Love mine. Cheap fun and function for daily commutes. Sound system is adequate, tech is fine. Cloth seats in the back are a cost cut but front seats are more than adequate. It’s not fast but the turbo kick is enough to enjoy at street speeds. Probably not something I would ever track though bc I think it would be out of its league. If you want more power and luxury then look elsewhere but this is definitely worth a look. Looks much more grown up than the last iteration also.
I bought my 19 Si for 22K OTD and I have tons more features than this Si has....imagine paying 35K +Taxes after markups lmao
BuT tHaT YeAr LoOkS sO ImMatUrE
Thats the same people who say they wont pay for the integra with a hatch because the “si is the same”.
22k is a deal ,30k im like damn that used to be accord touring territory.
@@jimmypena2442 Reading your comment made me think they probably stripped the features from the civic si to further differentiate it from the integra. Albeit, Acura’s interiors aren’t that spectacular so I wouldn’t bank on a luxury version of the civic si when it comes out.
@@jimmypena2442 Lmao this new one looks worse and has less features. It's like a Jetta from 2006. Honda is a joke.
For what it’s worth, the new Si made 225hp and 210lb-ft on Hondata’s hub dyno. The old one made 205hp and 226lb-ft on the same dyno. The new one responded way better to a tune as well.
I find it hard to believe that the 2022 model 'takes a tune' better because it's basically the exact same engine... it's simply factory tuned to be a bit more fuel efficiënt.
What's Funny is I just came from watching Doug review the SI
Wrong vid, for some reason Doug's comment section was on WTF1s channel, and I can't edit the comment
They reduced to torque for fuel efficiency is what I see. Same performance. I wouldn’t complain but I agree with the fan base who expected a leap in power.
@@micglou The turbo is new and flows a little bit better. This allows the new Si to build horsepower and torque much more evenly when you turn up the boost. On the 10th Gen, turning up the boost would ramp up the torque at a much greater rate than the horsepower. A +6psi tune would get you around 230hp and 260lb-ft. Turning up past that didn’t really generate any more horsepower, just more torque. On the 11th gen, that same increase gives you around 250hp and 250lb-ft. That fairly even horsepower and torque increase continues as you get into more aggressive flex fuel tunes as well.
How’s he gonna included destination charges in referencing the Si price but not include it when comparing to Elantra N and GLI prices? If this Si is “around 29k” then the other two are around 33-35k… which is more than 3k more than Si.
Didn't mention the standard sunroof or Bose stereo system. Not everybody expects the power of a Ford GT, but for the money, it's a nice put together package.
I love how low key it is. I wish they did one with WRX power levels and the type r made even more. This looks so much better than WRX and I’m def a WRX and STI fan and even owned a 17 STI but this is just a clean nice daily. I like this more than mk8 gti. I wish the civic hatch wasn’t hideous tho :(
So two counterpoints for Dougs comments about performance, the first being that while it has been rated for 5hp less, when Hondata had dynoed the car it actually was making 220hp vs the 10th gens 201hp.
Secondly, the 0-60 for the 10th gen was pretty deceptive towards its actual speed because of the gearing you actually have to shift a 3rd time to hit 60 throwing off the 0-60 number for that car and I'm assuming its the same for this one.
It's still not the fastest car in its class but its a lot more competitive than the numbers sound.
Thats so stupid... so pretty much all the "upgrades" they said they made probably was bs they just tuned it for more power lmao
plus it probably handles a lot better than most of then competition
@@JMNTN I normally stop the video before it because he scores older cars by modern standards which doesn't make sense
All Dyno’s measure differently, so unless you Dyno two cars back to back on the same machine the numbers are pretty irrelevant. Plus, horsepower is just a number and is pretty meaningless on it’s own. Just because a car has more or less horsepower doesn’t mean anything about how it will perform.
Also, if gearing impacts the 0-60 because you have to shift, how is that throwing off the 0-60? The 0-60 is what it is. If you have to shift 5 times to hit 60 the 0-60 number speaks for itself. Maybe you’re meaning the car feels faster than the 0-60 suggests, but nothing here is thrown off…
@@cgr_doorjam0263 why doesn't it make sense? We don't live in the 80s, 90s, and 2000s anymore, so how can we judge cars by their times? Cars naturally age and don't have features and conveniences of today. Would you judge a car from 1960 that doesn't have air conditioning? Yes you would judge it even though you're too proud to admit. There's absolutely nothing wrong with judging old cars by today's standards. We judge and laugh at bad infotainment systems from the 2000s to 2010s because they pale in comparison to the ones today. Cars today have features like blindspot monitoring and backup cameras that only expensive luxury cars had 20 years ago. My point is your blinders ignore one of the best things about humanity which is to improve over time.
I had a 1 year old 88 Civic DX, 5 speed stick, ♥️♥️♥️ it
Dug had a voice crack when he said “CAAAAAAAAAAAARS” during the cars and bids part of this video
If I had the money, I’d rather get the Civic Hatchback Touring. It actually has a 6-speed Manual as an option with no additional cost (as far as I heard). Sure it’s got 20HP less but atleast I get heated seats, full digital gauges and USB ports on the back.
Just turbo the civic hatch and bam you’ll make more power
@@mellopelas2857 it's the same engine, just a different tune.
The selling point of this car is the manual transmission. Full stop. I’m surprised you didn’t comment on it because the shifter is reminiscent of old times. It’s not at the level of S2000, but I’d say it rivals the Type R feel and weight, if not surpasses it.
My guess is there’s some type of supply shortage and Honda was forced to cut corners to push out more cars. But I am often wrong, and Honda has proven themselves capable of cheaping out where possible.
Going from Si to type r, I’d say they wanted something that’s quick but not going have to crash. I will say Honda is probably not doing much bc they know people will just do bolt ons
I have no idea why this "selling point" would actually sell a cars in USA. People who have money want autmoatic, Thats why everyone stops making Manuals.
Enthusiast looking for fast car wont buy 200hp for those money, people looking for a New car would prefer better interior.
I would like Honda to thrive but I dont belive that manual is good call. Maybe neccesary one but not good.
Still not as good as a GTI manual though.
These are gonna make the older models with heated seats, dual zone climate, and other features a lot more valuable
After owning a 03 Civic Si for 7 years, and now a 08 CIvic Si for the past 10 years, I can see where Doug is coming from about Honda capping the Si at 200 HP. But it also gives me the excuse to just upgrade the K20 motor to get Type R performance out of my 8th gen instead of running out and buying a new Civic, although I do love the styling of the 11th gen. They are very tempting to buy.
This was always the car I considered perfect for my 16 yr old, fairly sporty, forgiving and reliable at a price point I can afford. Or in other words, a good daily beater for those long commutes into an major urban center.
A brand new turbo car for your 16 year old is great if you can afford the insurance that goes with it
Buy him
A 2002 civic and save your money
I would never give my 16 yr old back seats! Accidents happen
@@Emm2004 yea exactly 😭 buy him a miata
At 28k, only rich teens, students can afford it