Uhhh, just watch the video... What he talks about is his reasoning for the score. Just as I'm writing this, he says the ride is stiffer than the Type R, so the relevant score will probably reflect that.
Just came back from a local Acura dealer. Was ready to drive off with one. It had most of the add ons I wanted. It was priced at 70k…. Just couldn’t fathom paying 10-12k mark up.
You did the right thing. I did not give in to the mark up on the boost blue 2020 type r here in Cali. Went out of state and got it for MSRP. We work hard for our money so we can enjoy certain things in life, which includes cars for some of us. Not working hard just throw extra money to some dealer for an absurd mark up...
@@Demisable_Warth You also did the right thing. I walked away from a CT5-V Blackwing and an RS3. Both local dealers did the song and dance about how they were dedicated to MSRP pricing when courting my business, but when it came time to walk the talk it was a different story. Unfortunately, they knew that there would be buyers who would pay the markup they wanted on those specific cars. Ultimately, the market speaks and buyers share equally in this. Both cars sold. CT5-V B out of state and the RS3 locally.
That 2.0T engine, even in more pedestrian form in stuff like Accords, is fantastic - great power and economy in a reliably engineered package. Also, Acura's design language has been really attractive as of late
I had a 2003 RSX Type-S and loved everything about it. Super high quality, fun to drive, looked great. Even the Bose stereo was perfect. When kids came along, the car had to go. I do wish they offered a two-door coupe.
Those were a great car. Compact and damn fun to drive. The RSX was the last Honda equipped with a cable actuated throttle body, that meant a lot in the era of laggy electronic throttles.
I have a 2dr 2003 3.2CL Type-S 6speed no nav. Bose stereo is great. It’s the perfect coupe for me but when the family comes I’d prefer a manual TL Type S or TL SH AWD.
@@blueazure9658just get another car for the family. Don’t let people make you think you need a 4 door, we’ve been killing people’s passions and it’s sad
I’m actually glad that the rear seats do not have alcantara and instead have full leather. If you have kids, cleaning those rear seats is way easier if they are just leather. Especially since 95% of the time the only people who use rear seats are children.
@@4Kandlezyou shouldn’t actually just have your pets unbuckled without harness on unless you don’t care about them flying out the windshield if some idiot hits you
As a sunglasses enthusiast I'm completely sold. The interior parts are well thought out. Like the aero in the bumper, no sunroof, manual only, engine tune for mid-range, they were serious when they designed this. all good moves
Honda and Acura are a breath of fresh air with these manual transmissions and actual engines. Growing up I never thought I would love Honda this much over other automakers.
Don't be fooled. They're still baking insane amounts of rev hang into these things. The manual transmissions in these cars have literally turned into a gimmick. A novelty. They are awful to drive and will just make you want an automatic. You have to pay an extra $1500 if you want to have anything close to the direct analog feel of any old manual car from the 90's with a flywheel replacement and an ECU reflash. And in my experience, even with the reflash it still doesn't fix the throttle mapping. You'd have to get a $1500 standalone ECU and all the headaches that comes with that just to have a car that gives a satisfying shifting experience. Had a 10th Gen Si and Type R and from watching the driving videos of these 11th gen's they have done nothing to fix it. And why would they? They don't actually care about the driving experience. They just care about ticking the manual transmission box so that they can cash in on the ignorant people that just want the novelty of a manual while also satisfying emissions requirements with all the rev hang. And idiots gobble it up because they have no idea what a car is supposed to drive like.
@@Domi39that's why I loved my 8th gen si. Had to get rid of it while I'm in college but I want to get a 2012 mugen si in the near future. That cars so damn clean imo
@@Domi39 I respect your opinion, however Leno raved about the Type S shifting. With my mobility issues, I'm out of luck with both versions, I'm kinda stuck with an automatic if I want to drive at all.
Having owned a Rsx type s it’s so cool to see how much they carried over. The 3 dials for the ac controls made me so happy to see. Hatch release is exactly the same with the cutout. I even remember the weirdly placed plastic piece the back seats. Miss that car dearly and this has me very very interested
Saw one at a local dealership just today. Under showroom lighting, the white looks amazing with all these aggressive flares and body lines. However, with $10k mark ups, I kicked all 4 tires and walked out.
I have a 2013 ilx dynamic which is just a civic SI underneath and I love it. I like the fact that it isn’t as boy racer as the civic but it doesn’t stand out at all from the standard ilx I wish they had split the difference and given the dynamic something to distinguish them.
Now, I can be satisfied in driving my tuned (Stage 1) 2016 VW GTI S, which I believe has given me all that I've desired for less than $23k when I bought it new. I've driven it from NJ to CA, to FL, and and found it almost as comfortable as my 1999 Passat GLX V6. It's been reliable and has enough power that I rarely need to downshift for passing. I appreciate the relatively low-key styling for not drawing unwanted attention. So Acura needs to offer me something that does the same without costing twice as much. (I think I came close enough to a Golf R for $15+K less.)
@@citizenfour9622If you're honestly cross shopping a base model no options E class, an A5 and a Civic Type R you're probably not the target audience for a Type R
It's really hard to get excited about this car knowing that the dealers will rip-off customers with $10,000+ markups. It's also disappointing there is no rear wiper. Great video as always, Doug.
Should have a flat bottomed wheel. The 200 MPH speedo is ridiculous. Not having rear seat vents and charge ports is stupid. love that it's a hatchback. I like the copper wheel color and the red interior. Would like to see a comparison to this and a WRX and Golf R. Price is too high even before the inevitable 'dealer mark-up'.
I picked up a 24 a-spec integra a few days ago. the buttons next to the shifter are the same in an auto. only difference is the auto has an auto start/stop, which is the blank button you see at 14:24. but the auto has a shift lever
Sadly there's literally no buyers for luxury GT style coupes nowadays. Everyone needs crossovers, SUVs and big sedans. I mean look what they have done to the civic and integra sizing.
I have a Still Night Pearl 2017 Honda Accord Coupe 3.5L V6 with manual transmission. It produces 278 HP and 252 lb ft torque. The only way I got this rare car is because I used to work for Honda Finance Corporate division and ordered it through the manufacturer online. Brand new, MSRP was $36,000. I leased it for a year and bought out my lease for $18,000. I have 136,000 miles on it now, never had an issue, and the vehicle has been registered in 3 states. I'm meticulous on maintenance and changing fluids. It's definitely a racer and still gets attention every time I drive it. It feels like a more power Civic SI. I'll just push it closer to 300,000 miles and wait for the price on the Integra Type S to significantly decrease.
When you factor in dealer markup, you're in the range of much more powerful and luxurious cars. You could get a RWD V8 Mustang or an AWD I6 BMW. $50k is a lot for a FWD I4 car in general.
2018-2021 Accord 2.0T, missing some of the luxury features but with minor bolt on mods and a tune it would make similar hp numbers. Only thing missing is the LSD imo.
@@dugefrsh5154 that's what I specifically was focusing on. The rear seats should of had air conditioning or at least a charging port on the rear of the center arm rest
Thanks for the review Doug. I've been debating this over the Type R and you've affirmed my take, it's a much more family friendly Type R. I do autox as a hobby but this car is far too nice for that. I already have a race car so I feel like this is a happy medium. I will be picking one up if I can get it at MSRP, no way in hell I'm paying more than 52k.
@@Screamn. I won't be actually buying one until early next year. I am aware the initial release will be ridiculous. The Type S seems to have much less hype than the Type R, so I am hoping that will turn things in my favor after a while.
The Skyline GTR feared the 2001 Integra on a CIRCUIT TRACK.. No GTR would even look twice at this model. Its a bastardised version, Dont give honda your money to continue watering down the legends all in the name of profit.
I love this car, SO MUCH 🥰❤️ I saw the Type R and I wasn't sure, yes "The Ultimate Civic Hatchback" but it didn't look as nice, you lost comfort etc. but this fixes all of that! ❤️😩 Now the Type R is the car for if you do a lot of track driving, but to me, this is the ultimate daily driver 🌚❤️
0-60 5 seconds? For $52k before dealer make ups? Nobody is going to buy this besides hardcore enthusiasts. You can have it. My 2015 Audi S3 is faster stock.
@@alp.9672look out guys, this guy has a 2015 s3 that is faster than a manual transmission Ps accounting for inflation, msrp of s3 2015 is 54,648.83😂😂😂
@@alp.9672 i own a s3 and testdrove the type s out of curiosity. Its a much better car in so many ways. S3 is so boring in comparison. The type s has more than enough punch for its weight. Also s3 is so unpractical in comparison when i see what big cargo space the type s has. I also own a s2k and this type s is a great enthusiast daily. Price is debatable right now on any enthusiasts “affordable” sportscar. In my area you get the type s cheaper than the type r because acura dealerships are not as crazy as honda ones.
This car is being MASSIVELY overlooked in the comments wtf This has to be one of the best all in 1 cars you can get. Performance, comfort, affordability, luxury, reliability, practicality, and styling
Have you test drove it? I agreed with you but when I drove it idk. It felt kinda heavy and boat-like. This is coming from someone who currently drives a manual 2019 Corolla hatchback XSE… which is not a particularly performance oriented car. I ended up running back to my Corolla and not buying the type S
Unfortunately, that is the norm for "performance" these days, especially when it's coming from a more luxury-based brand like Acura. I hate it. I believe the AVERAGE price of cars these days is somewhere around $45k or so. Car prices are becoming absolutely ridiculous, and there's no sign of it letting up.
@@StreetPreacherr The Civic is kinda...smooth. That's not saying much after the damn Gundam that was the last generation, though. lol This looks FANTASTIC, though. I REALLY like this thing, especially this spec...white exterior, red interior, bronze wheels...*chef's kiss
@@rmp5s why not its smaller lighter car than the civic with good handling the could have put the 1.5 turbo from the civic Si the fit only weighs 2500 pounds
I was so impressed and excited with this video that as soon as I finished watching it, I went and configured my own Integra Type S. I started with the tiger eye pearl for $600, the ebony interior, all-season protection package III for $453, heated steering wheel for $475, titanium shift knob for $200. All in as configured $53,723
@@JordiFu I forgot about that, thanks. Is the markup due to supply and demand because of the chip shortage or just supply and demand and dealers want to be greedy (and greasy as Bubbles would say-trailer park boys)
Wow do I love this car on first impressions. The looks, the sound, the quality. I think it rivals BMW in the emotional categories of what makes a car satisfying. It's unfortunate that it will be far above my price range for quite some time.
@@mugenrr8202 yeah I know it’s not 1989 anymore and modern honda are track beasts. I’m a fan but I haven’t driven one since I owned my 1997integra LS. And even back then it still handled great!
One thing I like about my 2009 Audi is that you can navigate the stereo head unit with a dial right behind the gear shift. My arm doesn’t have to leave the middle armrest. I don’t know if I’d like reaching up to a screen on the dash while driving and hoping I don’t touch the wrong input while driving.
With a manual, you end up moving your arm a lot anyways. You can also rest your fingers on the bezel while using your thumb to click the screen if you need the support.
Wagon won't happen, it will be pretty pointless for this particular model, integra never once was or meant to be made as a wagon Give that option to the civic instead
I would get this at 51K(still a hard sell with no AWD option), but with markups, I would get anything else in the 55k range in sport sedans. Acura TLX Type S Cadillac CT5/4-V Audi S4 BMW M330i Kia Stinger Gt2 Genesis G70 Lexus IS500 etc.
@@TheBreakfastLover meh, don’t care too much about lap times. Im not going to race anyone. But if the markups go to 60-75k knowing dealers, we would have some more competition at that price. And a lot of dealerships have new 2023 Stingers on the lot.
@@peppapigthekiller7539 the Integra Type S appeals to buyers than want a daily that they can track. And the Stinger is sitting on lots and was discontinued because there was little market demand for it.
@@TheBreakfastLover Guarantee 95% of owners are not tracking their car. They are going to be driving to and from work and errands while doing a little hooning or garage queening it in hopes to sell it as an "investment". Most people don't even live near a track let alone want to deal with and pay for the extra maintenance that comes from tracking a car. They just say that to justify paying over MSRP and sound cool. Just like Tesla bros saying their car is faster on the track but never been there a day in their life.
@@Recklessness97 you could make the same argument for buying an M340i instead of an M3. To really appreciate the difference an M3 brings you have to push the car to nine tenths or higher. But in daily use the M340i is just as capable, and more comfortable.
I expect a lot of people will buy this and do Type R suspension swaps. Not generally a fan of the latest gen civics/integras (I'm one of the weirdos who liked the overstyled civics last gen), but i expect this to be especially popular. Still think GR Corolla is a better car for the money
Finally, a kind of compelling car from Acura. But not for $50k. Fun looking ILX. An example of the current insanity at Acura: this car has a HUD, but the TLX type S doesn't. 🤷 The TLX type S is also missing the 360 camera, heated steering wheel and heated rear seats from the cheaper Advance model. What is this company thinking?
Modern Acura vehicles look good, but the 2020 RDX I bought new had a lot of issues including the infamous fuel dilution. Traded it after 3 years after the dealership told me 2 liters of gasoline in 5 liters of oil was "normal".
I drove a red, manual ‘86 Acura Integra for seven years, great car. Hooked me for life on Japanese quality and efficiency. Would love to see a return to two door/ hatchback design.
My regular Integra has that. ☹️ first dealer said they couldn’t do anything to fix it, going to take it to another one. A lot of shoddy stuff like that coming out of the Ohio plant
I get the exterior thoughts on old CTR, but the new one looks sweet!! Like it should look a little race carish bc that’s what it’s designed for. I also love the Acura’s design as well!!
Personally, the only reason I didn’t buy a Type R is because I didn’t like the interior and I’m genuinely just not going to take it to any tracks. This Integra Type S fixed every problem I had with the Type R. It’s the perfect car which is why I’m definitely getting one.
14:20 These switches exist in almost all new hondas. I don't know why you think this was the gear selector. The button gear selector in the Accord looks completely different. The part you're assuming to be a gear selector is not the same.
Interesting that Doug described the new ctr style as boy racer, yet he found the integra type s aftermarket like fenders cool as hell and awesome. I find the side profile of this car super busy and over styled. The ctrs wide but smooth fender flares look much more grown up to me.
Looks like the Orchid leather is also colour matched, based on your own picture in this video. Also, totally agree with the rear seat oversight for vents and charging ports. Our 2019 Golf R has that...how on Earth does a 2024 Type S not?
I like those canards! They always look like super cheap glued on plastic when on the outside, even on 6 figure cars where they're stock. Hiding them this way while still gaining some function is a huge improvement
Love the video! Any chance you could talk about some more audio in your upcoming video's? I am always curious in all your videos, I just noticed the sub in the trunk and it pushed me to finally ask 😂
Rear quarter panels are essentially part of the main structure of the whole car, including the roof. It's basically what everything else is affixed to. So it's very excusable that the fender flares are tacked on. Retooling assembly to make an entirely different shell just for the Type-S would not be cost-effective. I think it would technically be required to go through recertification for crash tests too.
I really wish there were options for the Type R's bucket seats and stiffer suspension. That would make it so that one could have their cake and eat it too.
Definitely a handsome car, especially in that pearl white. But crazy how much car prizes are now with all the added high tech. $50k msrp plus dealer markup...probably a $70k car out the door 😳...adding up to $100k after 5 yrs after all the ownership costs like maintenance, fuel, registration, insurance, financing interest, etc. 😵
AWD plz. Acura has a great AWD system, why they don't have an option even for a premium... it'd make this a much more enticing and dynamic vehicle imo. Hard to justify imo otherwise. Even tho I love the look, being a big Acura fan.
Its such a nice car. Too bad the markups make it so expensive, compared to older sports cars. Where I live, the dealers want $75K, you can buy a nice 996 turbo for that price or a 997.2
@@PointNemo9 it's greed. It's scarcity based price gouging. Hurts the consumer in the short term and the dealership and sales people in general in the long term. Is it smart to engage in even more practices that will make the consumer hate and distrust dealerships and sales people? Short term financial win for them, but we're all looking for a way out because of it
@@PointNemo9 Honda set a price where they make money and the dealership makes money. Dealers decided that with such small stock, they could try to force consumers who want it to pay a higher price. $70k on an ILX with a body kit is an emotional decision, not a rational one. Dealers are just trying to take advantage of people, as is their nature
The only thing that bothers me is that it doesnt feel like a luxury vehicle even though Acura claims that it is Compare this to the CLA or even the M2 or Supra (I know they arent sedans but are still compacts) and theres just really no comparison luxurywise And yet the price is firmly in the luxury space
Every car you named is significantly more expensive… And in my opinion, no Acura feels “luxury”. Especially not compared to Mercedes Benz. And sadly, there aren’t any other cars with this level of performance for much cheaper. The Golf R is pretty much the only one I can think of that would be a cheaper rival.
@@ROVA00 the CLA is Mercedes entry level sedan, starting at 39k The CLA45 AMG is 59k...the Integra is 51k 8k difference but you get completely different vehicles in terms of both luxury and performance
@@joecool9739 I know the CLA has a base trim, but that’s irrelevant to the conversation. I assumed you were comparing to the AMG version. $8k is a pretty big difference, in my opinion, and it’s justified in the extra HP and interior quality. it’s also a trade off… yes you have a more powerful engine but I highly doubt the AMG will handle as sharp. I do think the AMG blows it away in the interior luxury department though..
@@ROVA00 Did you just say "I highly doubt AMG will handle as sharp"? Compared to what? A Porsche? Surely you dont think a measly Honda is going to outhandle an AMG
@@joecool9739 compared to a civic type R or integra type S…. The CLA45 AMG is a good car but it’s not made to be a track weapon. It’s got power but it just a different beast. I’m a fan of Mercedes (I drive one), but sorry, the whole “just a measly honda” is such an outdated thing to say… it’s not 1989 anymore.
I bought a red 1994 Acura integra LS on Dec 93. I got 229k. Original motor. Use it to deliver groceries for Instacart. Built in JAPAN with 5 speed manual.
For 50k you're in Audi S3 or BMW 3-Series or Mustang V8 territory. When you factor in the dealer markup, you could get an AWD I6 BMW M340 with some options and have a faster and better-handling car instead of a nice FWD I4 Civic.
when i first saw the pictures of this thing a while ago, i didn't think it looked very good, or really captured the spirit of the integra, but after seeing them in person, it's a dang good looking car
Why would the "sensible" Type S only have 4 seats if Acura wants to convince us it's not a Type R? A $52k Civic with 1less seat and a bare bones rear w/no vents, arm rest, or charge ports is a hard pill to swallow when u can get a much nicer well equipped RWD 3 Series BMW with similar power for the money!
Completely different audiences. We don’t need another cookie cutter German sedan on the market, we have plenty to choose from already, plus the Genesis and Lexus competitors. You want a Type R that’s a better daily and has an actually good manual? Get this. Otherwise it’s not for you 🤷♂️
Would it be well equipped? I had always figured it was a choice of either getting the BEST Civic, or the WORST 3-Series, though I guess things might line up differently now that the Honda/Acura prices have increased...
I'd be interested in comparing it to the old integras. At curb weight of 3k lbs, that's pretty damn good. My LS 1.8 which I still drive from 25 years ago is 3400 lbs and still super easy to lose the front from a stop with decent tires and that thing only has realistically 140bhp. I've always found it suspect packing too much power into FWD unless you're on track and rolling appropriate tires. If I can understeer with 140bhp, losing 400lbs and gaining maybe 30bhp seems counterintuitive for aggressive handling when all the weight is in the front. Sounds like it could be an understeer nightmare when you push it on the twists of streets limiting the fun factor. This is why I'll eventually get an MX-5. It's heinously less practical but the design makes much more sense being what it's good at and not trying to please everyone. And therein lies the quandry. The old Tegs while quite practical are still driver focused cars (manuals). They can be pushed really hard and are very controllable besides the launch hop skippety go and piss torque until you're over 5000. But that's kind of the point. It works tremendously as both a commuter and pushable fun car and you can stuff a good bunch of shit in it when needed. I don't think there's enough freedom in the car industry anymore to replicate how great Integras were and still are. God forbid you had any visibility especially in the rear of any modern car. There are few exceptions but most are god awful unless they're in the crossover to SUV or truck range rolling behemoths. Rear cameras are not a substitute for good visibility. Like no one ever heard of depth perception with binocular vision. Ahhh I realized the one thing that would make new teg/s a little bit better than old and new teg is the width. Wider car and tires more contact patch and stance able to push more. Old teg while you can modify them were pretty bog standard comparable to a civic of the era. A couple extra inches makes a huge difference in traction.
Unless you're dead set on getting a manual (which is understandable), the TLX Type S for $5K more is a much better value than this. And the Integra might even be more expensive factoring in dealer markups.
TLX is blah. So many people who owned them have already sold them. Too many short comings. Throttle mapping is all over the place, especially when going around corners on throttle. Can’t start off in first gear in manual. Those are the biggest drawbacks.
This has to be my favorite modern car, looks good inside and out with a reliable platform (k20) mated to a manual that makes decent power with room to grow.
Grew up with an Integra GSR. Best bang for the buck and was a very nice and practical car. 0-60 in 6.5 seconds, lots of room, revie engine and wonderful transmission. Will wait for the Type R version of this integra to appear in a hatchback. Happens all the time with mid-production runs of manufacturers. Toyota finally acquiesced to a manual trans for the Supra, BMW offered a sedan for the M, etc..
Agreed. Type-R is a LEGENDARY model name, while Type-S just seems like a 'trim level'... Which I guess it is, since Acura uses Type-S on other models, while I think Type-R has only ever been used for the 'Civic/Integra'? And I'm not even certain whether the last couple of 'Type R' models will be remembered with NEARLY as much reverence as the early examples.
@@bfife22 who cares about manuals anymore? I’ve had three cars with manual transmission and I am enjoying my 9-speed automatic right now. Lexus is fun to drive, it is called luxury and having plenty of interior space.
Honestly, I miss the breakdown of each category in the Doug Score. It was interesting to see WHY Doug gave each score.
Yes Doug please return it 🙏
Uhhh, just watch the video... What he talks about is his reasoning for the score. Just as I'm writing this, he says the ride is stiffer than the Type R, so the relevant score will probably reflect that.
I miss Doug trying to get into the back seats of small cars
Yess! We miss it, sometimes it would be useful, when we don't agree on some points. Points and positions these are.
… I just miss Doug
I don’t even remember the last time Doug had bloopers at the end of his videos but I’m glad they returned.
Bug DeMuro.
Doug vs Bug Blooper was hilarious😂
I usually skip the DougScore so thank you for pointing this out
Dudes that are here to see Doug instead of the cars scare me
@@jp23xDoug himself is what makes his car reviews so special. So we're not only here to see the car, we're ALSO here to see Doug.
Just came back from a local Acura dealer.
Was ready to drive off with one. It had most of the add ons I wanted. It was priced at 70k…. Just couldn’t fathom paying 10-12k mark up.
For $70k my man just go get into an M2, Supra 3.0, or an RS3
Be patient. In the meantime, pick up a used 1st gen M2 for half or less than that 70K theft and have a blast.
You did the right thing. I did not give in to the mark up on the boost blue 2020 type r here in Cali. Went out of state and got it for MSRP. We work hard for our money so we can enjoy certain things in life, which includes cars for some of us. Not working hard just throw extra money to some dealer for an absurd mark up...
keep searching, youll get one. it is a machine i tell you. just waiting to take delivery (got blessed and luckily avoided the markups)
@@Demisable_Warth You also did the right thing. I walked away from a CT5-V Blackwing and an RS3. Both local dealers did the song and dance about how they were dedicated to MSRP pricing when courting my business, but when it came time to walk the talk it was a different story. Unfortunately, they knew that there would be buyers who would pay the markup they wanted on those specific cars. Ultimately, the market speaks and buyers share equally in this. Both cars sold. CT5-V B out of state and the RS3 locally.
Doug has risen to the ranks of sponsoring his own channel! What a boss
He literally always has been. He just changed the intro
Actually, a large company has purchased a massive stake in Cars and Bids. Thus, it's not just his money
@@Sirenz187literally is. We should bring "THIS" into them first.😅
That 2.0T engine, even in more pedestrian form in stuff like Accords, is fantastic - great power and economy in a reliably engineered package. Also, Acura's design language has been really attractive as of late
I had a 2003 RSX Type-S and loved everything about it. Super high quality, fun to drive, looked great. Even the Bose stereo was perfect. When kids came along, the car had to go. I do wish they offered a two-door coupe.
Those were a great car. Compact and damn fun to drive.
The RSX was the last Honda equipped with a cable actuated throttle body, that meant a lot in the era of laggy electronic throttles.
I have a 2dr 2003 3.2CL Type-S 6speed no nav. Bose stereo is great. It’s the perfect coupe for me but when the family comes I’d prefer a manual TL Type S or TL SH AWD.
@@blueazure9658just get another car for the family.
Don’t let people make you think you need a 4 door, we’ve been killing people’s passions and it’s sad
I don't know if I'd be able to resist a 2-door version of this...
@@qwertpoiuy430 hard when this car is already $50K+
I’m actually glad that the rear seats do not have alcantara and instead have full leather. If you have kids, cleaning those rear seats is way easier if they are just leather. Especially since 95% of the time the only people who use rear seats are children.
Or animals! Smooth leather is definitely preferable to alcantara if you have a dog that sheds...
Alcantara is cringe
@@StreetPreacherr Put them in the hatch it's open to the interior
it's not leather, it's polyurethane (Plastic) also known as pleather or vegan leather.
@@4Kandlezyou shouldn’t actually just have your pets unbuckled without harness on unless you don’t care about them flying out the windshield if some idiot hits you
As a sunglasses enthusiast I'm completely sold. The interior parts are well thought out. Like the aero in the bumper, no sunroof, manual only, engine tune for mid-range, they were serious when they designed this. all good moves
Honda and Acura are a breath of fresh air with these manual transmissions and actual engines. Growing up I never thought I would love Honda this much over other automakers.
Honda makes amazing cars...
Don't be fooled. They're still baking insane amounts of rev hang into these things. The manual transmissions in these cars have literally turned into a gimmick. A novelty. They are awful to drive and will just make you want an automatic. You have to pay an extra $1500 if you want to have anything close to the direct analog feel of any old manual car from the 90's with a flywheel replacement and an ECU reflash. And in my experience, even with the reflash it still doesn't fix the throttle mapping. You'd have to get a $1500 standalone ECU and all the headaches that comes with that just to have a car that gives a satisfying shifting experience. Had a 10th Gen Si and Type R and from watching the driving videos of these 11th gen's they have done nothing to fix it. And why would they? They don't actually care about the driving experience. They just care about ticking the manual transmission box so that they can cash in on the ignorant people that just want the novelty of a manual while also satisfying emissions requirements with all the rev hang. And idiots gobble it up because they have no idea what a car is supposed to drive like.
@@Domi39that's why I loved my 8th gen si. Had to get rid of it while I'm in college but I want to get a 2012 mugen si in the near future. That cars so damn clean imo
@@marlonbaird6070so did Ford, Subaru, and Alfa Romeo.
@@Domi39 I respect your opinion, however Leno raved about the Type S shifting. With my mobility issues, I'm out of luck with both versions, I'm kinda stuck with an automatic if I want to drive at all.
Having owned a Rsx type s it’s so cool to see how much they carried over. The 3 dials for the ac controls made me so happy to see. Hatch release is exactly the same with the cutout. I even remember the weirdly placed plastic piece the back seats. Miss that car dearly and this has me very very interested
I was saying the same thing, I had an 05 Type S and everything you said is true lol
Approaching high 5-figures for a four-cylinder front wheel drive Honda is insane.
Agreed
Who is paying high 5 figures?
@@Desert_Spec I’m taking the markups into account.
@@Desert_Speca sucker is born every minute
Yup. I’ll buy a used one in 10 years for 20k
That back end is so aggressive and I love it. I guess I’m crazy to think this car would be available under $50k.
$71k actually, with the stupid markups.
@@0Camus0 Man, fuck that. So many better options at that price.
@@GemmyDonCars Yes, they will rot in the lot.
@@0Camus0get a brand new widebody Scatpack or a used with low miles hellcat with 71k
@@untalentedrapper8118 My guy who the hell is cross shopping a hellcat and a Acura Integra. Completely different cars
From someone who owned a 1996 Integra GS-R, I like the new styling. It certainly looks better than when this new model debuted.
Saw one at a local dealership just today. Under showroom lighting, the white looks amazing with all these aggressive flares and body lines. However, with $10k mark ups, I kicked all 4 tires and walked out.
🤣😂🤣 feel you on kicking the tires!
I have a 2013 ilx dynamic which is just a civic SI underneath and I love it. I like the fact that it isn’t as boy racer as the civic but it doesn’t stand out at all from the standard ilx I wish they had split the difference and given the dynamic something to distinguish them.
Nobody cares about your old Acura 😂 👎
Nobody cares about your old Acura 😂 👎
Now, I can be satisfied in driving my tuned (Stage 1) 2016 VW GTI S, which I believe has given me all that I've desired for less than $23k when I bought it new.
I've driven it from NJ to CA, to FL, and and found it almost as comfortable as my 1999 Passat GLX V6. It's been reliable and has enough power that I rarely need to downshift for passing. I appreciate the relatively low-key styling for not drawing unwanted attention.
So Acura needs to offer me something that does the same without costing twice as much.
(I think I came close enough to a Golf R for $15+K less.)
This looks amazing!
It’s a shame that it’ll be marked up by dealerships.
They can keep it! This costs as much as an E Class, A5, 5-Series money. Honestly, they can shove it! 🤣
Why? there is nothing special about it. Honda already marked up this vehicle enough
@@citizenfour9622If you're honestly cross shopping a base model no options E class, an A5 and a Civic Type R you're probably not the target audience for a Type R
@@mugabugaYT It's not worth the money. Period. Not for performance. Not for style. Not for anything. It ain't worth it. Period.
@@MisterMonsieurWhat makes it that bad
It's really hard to get excited about this car knowing that the dealers will rip-off customers with $10,000+ markups. It's also disappointing there is no rear wiper. Great video as always, Doug.
And its not full track ready, this type s its more like a sporty confort vehicle with a marketing badge.
Should have a flat bottomed wheel. The 200 MPH speedo is ridiculous. Not having rear seat vents and charge ports is stupid. love that it's a hatchback. I like the copper wheel color and the red interior. Would like to see a comparison to this and a WRX and Golf R. Price is too high even before the inevitable 'dealer mark-up'.
I picked up a 24 a-spec integra a few days ago. the buttons next to the shifter are the same in an auto. only difference is the auto has an auto start/stop, which is the blank button you see at 14:24. but the auto has a shift lever
Was going to say this as well. Seems like he got it confused with the NSX type S which does have the gear buttons, no shifter.
This makes me want them to make a new prelude SO bad.
Sadly there's literally no buyers for luxury GT style coupes nowadays. Everyone needs crossovers, SUVs and big sedans. I mean look what they have done to the civic and integra sizing.
It will probably be a electric SUV or something like that
Honda rumored two new all electric sports cars for 2026. One being the new NSX and then either a Prelude or S2000. Fingers crossed for something cool!
So they can ruin another model with modern design? Just buy an old one if you love them so much...
@@Seeks__ I mean, if you're gonna fuck up a car model, might as well fuck up the entire lineup of car models.
14:13 doug those buttons are the same in the automatic Integra, it has a traditional shifter. The blank button is the engine idle switch
Honestly I never thought we would see a new car with only a manual transmission option, good for them I hope the sales do well
honda has been making manual transmission only vehicles for a while, and they sell well
civic type r is the same way, also the veloster n and sti were like that just a couple years ago
@@shaned1500agree.
But then its only FWD??? lol. lame.
@@Xeonerable This car doesn't need anything else
I picked up my FL5 Type R the week of Christmas. 14,500 miles mater and I still love it. In my opinion, the Type S has zero negatives over the Type R.
I have a Still Night Pearl 2017 Honda Accord Coupe 3.5L V6 with manual transmission. It produces 278 HP and 252 lb ft torque. The only way I got this rare car is because I used to work for Honda Finance Corporate division and ordered it through the manufacturer online. Brand new, MSRP was $36,000. I leased it for a year and bought out my lease for $18,000. I have 136,000 miles on it now, never had an issue, and the vehicle has been registered in 3 states. I'm meticulous on maintenance and changing fluids. It's definitely a racer and still gets attention every time I drive it. It feels like a more power Civic SI. I'll just push it closer to 300,000 miles and wait for the price on the Integra Type S to significantly decrease.
For all the features and amenities its missing, the $50k price tag seems a bit much
When you factor in dealer markup, you're in the range of much more powerful and luxurious cars. You could get a RWD V8 Mustang or an AWD I6 BMW. $50k is a lot for a FWD I4 car in general.
agree, that rear center console, just plastic, what a HUGE miss for a car at this level
2018-2021 Accord 2.0T, missing some of the luxury features but with minor bolt on mods and a tune it would make similar hp numbers. Only thing missing is the LSD imo.
@@dugefrsh5154 that's what I specifically was focusing on. The rear seats should of had air conditioning or at least a charging port on the rear of the center arm rest
And that’s BEFORE the stupid dealerships mark it up
Thanks for the review Doug. I've been debating this over the Type R and you've affirmed my take, it's a much more family friendly Type R. I do autox as a hobby but this car is far too nice for that. I already have a race car so I feel like this is a happy medium. I will be picking one up if I can get it at MSRP, no way in hell I'm paying more than 52k.
Ah, so youre not getting a Type S. These will definitely be marked up.
@@Screamn. I won't be actually buying one until early next year. I am aware the initial release will be ridiculous. The Type S seems to have much less hype than the Type R, so I am hoping that will turn things in my favor after a while.
The dealer I work at is marking up 1600$
The Skyline GTR feared the 2001 Integra on a CIRCUIT TRACK.. No GTR would even look twice at this model. Its a bastardised version, Dont give honda your money to continue watering down the legends all in the name of profit.
$70,000+ after dealership markups.
I love this car, SO MUCH 🥰❤️ I saw the Type R and I wasn't sure, yes "The Ultimate Civic Hatchback" but it didn't look as nice, you lost comfort etc. but this fixes all of that! ❤️😩 Now the Type R is the car for if you do a lot of track driving, but to me, this is the ultimate daily driver 🌚❤️
0-60 5 seconds? For $52k before dealer make ups? Nobody is going to buy this besides hardcore enthusiasts. You can have it. My 2015 Audi S3 is faster stock.
@@alp.9672look out guys, this guy has a 2015 s3 that is faster than a manual transmission
Ps accounting for inflation, msrp of s3 2015 is 54,648.83😂😂😂
@@alp.9672 i own a s3 and testdrove the type s out of curiosity. Its a much better car in so many ways. S3 is so boring in comparison. The type s has more than enough punch for its weight. Also s3 is so unpractical in comparison when i see what big cargo space the type s has. I also own a s2k and this type s is a great enthusiast daily. Price is debatable right now on any enthusiasts “affordable” sportscar. In my area you get the type s cheaper than the type r because acura dealerships are not as crazy as honda ones.
@@alp.9672Boring!!! 🥱
@@stan9928 A 2023 S3 is still a better buy than this Acura what is your point? And it is fast and it is AWD.....look out we have an idiot.
The sideprofile of this car is just beautiful.
This car is being MASSIVELY overlooked in the comments wtf This has to be one of the best all in 1 cars you can get. Performance, comfort, affordability, luxury, reliability, practicality, and styling
Have you test drove it? I agreed with you but when I drove it idk. It felt kinda heavy and boat-like.
This is coming from someone who currently drives a manual 2019 Corolla hatchback XSE… which is not a particularly performance oriented car.
I ended up running back to my Corolla and not buying the type S
@@murk4545your right. Doesn’t drive like the old RSX which you can just FLY through turns and corners it’s still good tho
A starting price of $52k is pretty wild
Is it thought? 50k is pretty normal now for that amount of power.
Hell even the circuit trim GR Corolla is going for like 50k right now
Unfortunately, that is the norm for "performance" these days, especially when it's coming from a more luxury-based brand like Acura. I hate it. I believe the AVERAGE price of cars these days is somewhere around $45k or so. Car prices are becoming absolutely ridiculous, and there's no sign of it letting up.
Gr corolla morizo edition is $80k and still slower
I LOVE what they did with the look of this thing...
I definitely prefer it to the Honda, but this Civic/Integra generation just looks slightly bloated...
Wish they made a type R version of the fit
@@StreetPreacherr The Civic is kinda...smooth. That's not saying much after the damn Gundam that was the last generation, though. lol
This looks FANTASTIC, though. I REALLY like this thing, especially this spec...white exterior, red interior, bronze wheels...*chef's kiss
@@RaffiJaharian The Fit?...lol
@@rmp5s why not its smaller lighter car than the civic with good handling the could have put the 1.5 turbo from the civic Si the fit only weighs 2500 pounds
One in Las Vegas on the Acura lot for $71,000
Bah gawd that’s M2 competition money!
I was so impressed and excited with this video that as soon as I finished watching it, I went and configured my own Integra Type S.
I started with the tiger eye pearl for $600, the ebony interior, all-season protection package III for $453, heated steering wheel for $475, titanium shift knob for $200. All in as configured $53,723
(Plus 10-15k markup) 😵💫
@@JordiFu I forgot about that, thanks. Is the markup due to supply and demand because of the chip shortage or just supply and demand and dealers want to be greedy (and greasy as Bubbles would say-trailer park boys)
@@bobhill3941both
I daily drive an 03’ RSX Type-S …. I need this car. But 52k is wild. Like truly absolutely insane.
For that much, you could get a 2009 Porche Cayman S which will be more fun to drive and interactive.
The real problem with the Integra Type S is that it’s only $5k-$7k less than a TLX Type S which has AWD & more hp/tq. 🤷🏽♂️
It's heavier
Integra more modern and newer design
Integra drives way better and is faster on the track
Wow do I love this car on first impressions. The looks, the sound, the quality. I think it rivals BMW in the emotional categories of what makes a car satisfying. It's unfortunate that it will be far above my price range for quite some time.
And more reliable than BMW
Looks better than the BMW too! Only downside is FWD.
@@ROVA00if your a real Honda/Acura driver you should know how drive FWD like a boss!! 💯😎
@@mugenrr8202 yeah I know it’s not 1989 anymore and modern honda are track beasts. I’m a fan but I haven’t driven one since I owned my 1997integra LS. And even back then it still handled great!
Looks kinda shitty built to me. The pannel gap above the front headlight is awful
One thing I like about my 2009 Audi is that you can navigate the stereo head unit with a dial right behind the gear shift. My arm doesn’t have to leave the middle armrest. I don’t know if I’d like reaching up to a screen on the dash while driving and hoping I don’t touch the wrong input while driving.
With a manual, you end up moving your arm a lot anyways. You can also rest your fingers on the bezel while using your thumb to click the screen if you need the support.
Hey Doug! Have you ever seen “The French Connection”? Great line about Rocker Panels. Highly suggest you cut in the clip! Love you guys!!!
Acura needs to keep this up! We also need a wagon version!
Yes, like a modern interpretation of my TSX SportWagon.
Wagon won't happen, it will be pretty pointless for this particular model, integra never once was or meant to be made as a wagon
Give that option to the civic instead
I would get this at 51K(still a hard sell with no AWD option), but with markups, I would get anything else in the 55k range in sport sedans.
Acura TLX Type S
Cadillac CT5/4-V
Audi S4
BMW M330i
Kia Stinger Gt2
Genesis G70
Lexus IS500
etc.
the Civic Type R (and likely the Integra Type S) has a faster Lightning Lap time than your entire list. Also the Stinger was discontinued.
@@TheBreakfastLover meh, don’t care too much about lap times. Im not going to race anyone. But if the markups go to 60-75k knowing dealers, we would have some more competition at that price. And a lot of dealerships have new 2023 Stingers on the lot.
@@peppapigthekiller7539 the Integra Type S appeals to buyers than want a daily that they can track. And the Stinger is sitting on lots and was discontinued because there was little market demand for it.
@@TheBreakfastLover Guarantee 95% of owners are not tracking their car. They are going to be driving to and from work and errands while doing a little hooning or garage queening it in hopes to sell it as an "investment". Most people don't even live near a track let alone want to deal with and pay for the extra maintenance that comes from tracking a car. They just say that to justify paying over MSRP and sound cool. Just like Tesla bros saying their car is faster on the track but never been there a day in their life.
@@Recklessness97 you could make the same argument for buying an M340i instead of an M3. To really appreciate the difference an M3 brings you have to push the car to nine tenths or higher. But in daily use the M340i is just as capable, and more comfortable.
The main problem with the type s is that it looks exactly like every other Acura 4 door sedan
Couldn't agree more
I think this is so much cooler than the civic type R and I would buy one over the R a heartbeat, at least because of the ride and quietness
I am liking your new format. The alone Doug with new cars and collaboration with older cars.
I'm really feeling the Acura Integra type s as far as the exterior/interior package, well done.
I like when it’s just Doug reviewing the car
I expect a lot of people will buy this and do Type R suspension swaps. Not generally a fan of the latest gen civics/integras (I'm one of the weirdos who liked the overstyled civics last gen), but i expect this to be especially popular. Still think GR Corolla is a better car for the money
I 100% agree. The Civic Type R is supposed to look more boy racer and wild.
Lololol those corollas are going for 60k CAD. Definitely not worth the money
@@crashb133 Have you tried not having money made of maple syrup and moose droppings?
Finally, a kind of compelling car from Acura. But not for $50k. Fun looking ILX. An example of the current insanity at Acura: this car has a HUD, but the TLX type S doesn't. 🤷 The TLX type S is also missing the 360 camera, heated steering wheel and heated rear seats from the cheaper Advance model. What is this company thinking?
Modern Acura vehicles look good, but the 2020 RDX I bought new had a lot of issues including the infamous fuel dilution. Traded it after 3 years after the dealership told me 2 liters of gasoline in 5 liters of oil was "normal".
I drove a red, manual ‘86 Acura Integra for seven years, great car. Hooked me for life on Japanese quality and efficiency. Would love to see a return to two door/ hatchback design.
That misalignment on the body panels above the passenger headlight is driving me crazy.
American made versus Japanese made.
My regular Integra has that. ☹️ first dealer said they couldn’t do anything to fix it, going to take it to another one. A lot of shoddy stuff like that coming out of the Ohio plant
I love how Doug points out the engine's serial number as if it were a big quirk.
I get the exterior thoughts on old CTR, but the new one looks sweet!! Like it should look a little race carish bc that’s what it’s designed for. I also love the Acura’s design as well!!
Personally, the only reason I didn’t buy a Type R is because I didn’t like the interior and I’m genuinely just not going to take it to any tracks.
This Integra Type S fixed every problem I had with the Type R. It’s the perfect car which is why I’m definitely getting one.
14:20 These switches exist in almost all new hondas. I don't know why you think this was the gear selector. The button gear selector in the Accord looks completely different. The part you're assuming to be a gear selector is not the same.
Interesting that Doug described the new ctr style as boy racer, yet he found the integra type s aftermarket like fenders cool as hell and awesome. I find the side profile of this car super busy and over styled. The ctrs wide but smooth fender flares look much more grown up to me.
It’s the late 30’s mid 40 year olds performance family car. It looks great.
This would be a good $35k car. 40 maybe. $50k + markups is insane.
Prolly low 40ks
Looks like the Orchid leather is also colour matched, based on your own picture in this video.
Also, totally agree with the rear seat oversight for vents and charging ports. Our 2019 Golf R has that...how on Earth does a 2024 Type S not?
I like those canards! They always look like super cheap glued on plastic when on the outside, even on 6 figure cars where they're stock. Hiding them this way while still gaining some function is a huge improvement
Can't stop staring at the pannel gap above the headlight 😂😂
Finally. Please do more Acura reviews! You haven’t touched the TSX
I would love to see a TSX 6MT review. Had one and it was a fantastic machine. I often wish I still had it.
@@icculusevery time I see a TSX on the road I miss my 6MT
Have mine right now! I’m keeping her as long as I can
$52k for gussied up Civic is just insane.
Love the video! Any chance you could talk about some more audio in your upcoming video's? I am always curious in all your videos, I just noticed the sub in the trunk and it pushed me to finally ask 😂
Rear quarter panels are essentially part of the main structure of the whole car, including the roof. It's basically what everything else is affixed to. So it's very excusable that the fender flares are tacked on. Retooling assembly to make an entirely different shell just for the Type-S would not be cost-effective. I think it would technically be required to go through recertification for crash tests too.
If things go well, they'll do the retooling for the face-lift in a few years
I really wish there were options for the Type R's bucket seats and stiffer suspension. That would make it so that one could have their cake and eat it too.
Definitely a handsome car, especially in that pearl white. But crazy how much car prizes are now with all the added high tech. $50k msrp plus dealer markup...probably a $70k car out the door 😳...adding up to $100k after 5 yrs after all the ownership costs like maintenance, fuel, registration, insurance, financing interest, etc. 😵
A two-door version of this car would be really interesting.
It would be legendary
“Nice to touch and grippyyy😫😫” 11:13
Picked mine up 7/27, traded my A-Spec. I loved driving it for the day. 7/28 was major back surgery, and I can't wait to suffer it again!
7:55 Sweet Lord does the colour look good.
I really wish these weren’t so expensive I would buy one.
gosh darn never followed acura all that much but those stock wheels are too nice
Cool car. $51k base is absolutely insane though. $35k and it would be great. Base price for an IS500 F sport is only $4k more, same for an M340i.
AWD plz. Acura has a great AWD system, why they don't have an option even for a premium... it'd make this a much more enticing and dynamic vehicle imo. Hard to justify imo otherwise. Even tho I love the look, being a big Acura fan.
Its such a nice car. Too bad the markups make it so expensive, compared to older sports cars. Where I live, the dealers want $75K, you can buy a nice 996 turbo for that price or a 997.2
I pray no one pays that price for it. Why do people keep rewarding these greedy dealers??
@@itcangetbetter It's not greed, dealers charge market price. It's purely a function of demand.
@@PointNemo9 it's greed. It's scarcity based price gouging. Hurts the consumer in the short term and the dealership and sales people in general in the long term. Is it smart to engage in even more practices that will make the consumer hate and distrust dealerships and sales people? Short term financial win for them, but we're all looking for a way out because of it
@@itcangetbetter this only happens because Honda set msrp below the true market price. Charging market price is not gouging
@@PointNemo9 Honda set a price where they make money and the dealership makes money. Dealers decided that with such small stock, they could try to force consumers who want it to pay a higher price. $70k on an ILX with a body kit is an emotional decision, not a rational one. Dealers are just trying to take advantage of people, as is their nature
The only thing that bothers me is that it doesnt feel like a luxury vehicle even though Acura claims that it is
Compare this to the CLA or even the M2 or Supra (I know they arent sedans but are still compacts) and theres just really no comparison luxurywise
And yet the price is firmly in the luxury space
Every car you named is significantly more expensive…
And in my opinion, no Acura feels “luxury”. Especially not compared to Mercedes Benz.
And sadly, there aren’t any other cars with this level of performance for much cheaper. The Golf R is pretty much the only one I can think of that would be a cheaper rival.
@@ROVA00 the CLA is Mercedes entry level sedan, starting at 39k
The CLA45 AMG is 59k...the Integra is 51k
8k difference but you get completely different vehicles in terms of both luxury and performance
@@joecool9739 I know the CLA has a base trim, but that’s irrelevant to the conversation. I assumed you were comparing to the AMG version. $8k is a pretty big difference, in my opinion, and it’s justified in the extra HP and interior quality.
it’s also a trade off… yes you have a more powerful engine but I highly doubt the AMG will handle as sharp. I do think the AMG blows it away in the interior luxury department though..
@@ROVA00
Did you just say "I highly doubt AMG will handle as sharp"?
Compared to what? A Porsche?
Surely you dont think a measly Honda is going to outhandle an AMG
@@joecool9739 compared to a civic type R or integra type S….
The CLA45 AMG is a good car but it’s not made to be a track weapon. It’s got power but it just a different beast.
I’m a fan of Mercedes (I drive one), but sorry, the whole “just a measly honda” is such an outdated thing to say… it’s not 1989 anymore.
This looks better than the new civic.
Both look horrible a F
For $54,000, that ain't saying much.
Definitely more of a car for adults, can't take the Civic Type R seriously.
@@MisterMonsieur
54 is insane.
@@realSethMeyersit looks way more boyracer than the Type R.
Each video you're becoming more and more Jay Leno. I mean literally, you sound and look like the legend himself. JAY, YOU ARE THE FATHER!
I bought a red 1994 Acura integra LS on Dec 93. I got 229k. Original motor. Use it to deliver groceries for Instacart. Built in JAPAN with 5 speed manual.
For 50k it's missing 1500 additional for awd
For 50k you're in Audi S3 or BMW 3-Series or Mustang V8 territory. When you factor in the dealer markup, you could get an AWD I6 BMW M340 with some options and have a faster and better-handling car instead of a nice FWD I4 Civic.
The Civic front end looks so much better IMO, I wish Acura updated their design language.
Yeah it looks tacky and cheap.
I agree I think the FL5 front end looks a lot cleaner
The Civic is a way cleaner looking car than this Type S
if you mean old civics, yes
I like how they simply converted the auto trans panel to drive modes. Great way to save on manufacturing R&D!
doug has it wrong, the auto trans integras have a normal shifter, they're drive mode toggles in multiple honda products
Nobody talking about the random rock hitting the grill 6:12
when i first saw the pictures of this thing a while ago, i didn't think it looked very good, or really captured the spirit of the integra, but after seeing them in person, it's a dang good looking car
Why would the "sensible" Type S only have 4 seats if Acura wants to convince us it's not a Type R? A $52k Civic with 1less seat and a bare bones rear w/no vents, arm rest, or charge ports is a hard pill to swallow when u can get a much nicer well equipped RWD 3 Series BMW with similar power for the money!
100%
Completely different audiences. We don’t need another cookie cutter German sedan on the market, we have plenty to choose from already, plus the Genesis and Lexus competitors. You want a Type R that’s a better daily and has an actually good manual? Get this. Otherwise it’s not for you 🤷♂️
Would it be well equipped? I had always figured it was a choice of either getting the BEST Civic, or the WORST 3-Series, though I guess things might line up differently now that the Honda/Acura prices have increased...
@@bfife22 And if you want RWD just get a GR86. ;)
@@StreetPreacherr precisely 😁
Doug is the type of guy to remind you Honda owns Acura even though he knows you know.
This is the Honda I would get if they sold it in Sweden . Really nice design
For 80K?
@@kraenk12 hell no
@@kraenk12jesus for 80k you can get a slightly used g80 m3
@@kraenk12Assuming they have markups in Sweden.
I'd be interested in comparing it to the old integras. At curb weight of 3k lbs, that's pretty damn good. My LS 1.8 which I still drive from 25 years ago is 3400 lbs and still super easy to lose the front from a stop with decent tires and that thing only has realistically 140bhp. I've always found it suspect packing too much power into FWD unless you're on track and rolling appropriate tires. If I can understeer with 140bhp, losing 400lbs and gaining maybe 30bhp seems counterintuitive for aggressive handling when all the weight is in the front. Sounds like it could be an understeer nightmare when you push it on the twists of streets limiting the fun factor.
This is why I'll eventually get an MX-5. It's heinously less practical but the design makes much more sense being what it's good at and not trying to please everyone. And therein lies the quandry. The old Tegs while quite practical are still driver focused cars (manuals). They can be pushed really hard and are very controllable besides the launch hop skippety go and piss torque until you're over 5000. But that's kind of the point. It works tremendously as both a commuter and pushable fun car and you can stuff a good bunch of shit in it when needed.
I don't think there's enough freedom in the car industry anymore to replicate how great Integras were and still are. God forbid you had any visibility especially in the rear of any modern car. There are few exceptions but most are god awful unless they're in the crossover to SUV or truck range rolling behemoths. Rear cameras are not a substitute for good visibility. Like no one ever heard of depth perception with binocular vision.
Ahhh I realized the one thing that would make new teg/s a little bit better than old and new teg is the width. Wider car and tires more contact patch and stance able to push more. Old teg while you can modify them were pretty bog standard comparable to a civic of the era. A couple extra inches makes a huge difference in traction.
Doug with the infamous knee pad 😂
I would definitely take this over the Type R. It looks so good
Unless you're dead set on getting a manual (which is understandable), the TLX Type S for $5K more is a much better value than this. And the Integra might even be more expensive factoring in dealer markups.
TLX is blah. So many people who owned them have already sold them. Too many short comings.
Throttle mapping is all over the place, especially when going around corners on throttle. Can’t start off in first gear in manual. Those are the biggest drawbacks.
This has to be my favorite modern car, looks good inside and out with a reliable platform (k20) mated to a manual that makes decent power with room to grow.
Grew up with an Integra GSR. Best bang for the buck and was a very nice and practical car. 0-60 in 6.5 seconds, lots of room, revie engine and wonderful transmission. Will wait for the Type R version of this integra to appear in a hatchback. Happens all the time with mid-production runs of manufacturers. Toyota finally acquiesced to a manual trans for the Supra, BMW offered a sedan for the M, etc..
Keep waiting.
Not going to happen.
i have the type r and I was considering trading for the type s. after the test drive and looking at quality and quantity ill keep the type r
What year Type R? What did you like better about the R? Smaller size?
@@lanekrarup is the same car diffrent shell.
Waiting for lack of AWD noob comments 😂
I like these over the type r. But I don't think it will hold value the same.
Yeah, less hype for this than the Type R, but hopefully that equates to less markups than the Type R as well haha
Agreed. Type-R is a LEGENDARY model name, while Type-S just seems like a 'trim level'...
Which I guess it is, since Acura uses Type-S on other models, while I think Type-R has only ever been used for the 'Civic/Integra'? And I'm not even certain whether the last couple of 'Type R' models will be remembered with NEARLY as much reverence as the early examples.
@@StreetPreacherr type R name has been used on the NSX and the accord
Doug being kind to the Dragon Fly at the end of the video makes me smile.
I am begging for bloopers to come back at the end of videos I used to look forward to them all the time they are the best
52k is already steep. add in markups and i just dont see how you can spend that much on a FWD car...
Would $52,000 be "steep" for a Ferrari? Let's just say what we mean --- this car ain't worth anything near that money. It's a rebadged Civic!
I would rather get a new Lexus ES for 50k. At least Lexus is a grown up car unlike this Civic
@@00_UU yes the Lexus ES, famous for being fun to drive and having a good manual transmission 😂
@@00_UU I don't even like Lexus, but I agree. Plenty of sporty cars for grown-ups in the $54k range. Acura is lost in the woods!
@@bfife22 who cares about manuals anymore? I’ve had three cars with manual transmission and I am enjoying my 9-speed automatic right now. Lexus is fun to drive, it is called luxury and having plenty of interior space.