It's definitely due to the fact that there's no Soul Warden effects available for 1 mana in the current rotation. You won't be able to start enabling life gain until turn 3, and by then it'd be too late against Mono Red
@@k3rr3k1/ u shouldn’t even brag about it. WE all know it’s powerful. 2/ CGB proved you can go from Gold (can’t remember exactly) to Mythic in 2h of play with a mono red deck. 3/ Hitting mythic with mono red is like being an athlete on steroids.
LVD, I just want to say that your positive attitude is such a treasure for the Magic community. Whereas so many people are wailing and proclaiming the death of Standard in view of the state of monored, you just get down to the business of showing us how to beat it, with optimism and professionalism. Bravo, good sir.
I've been trying to make a deck like this work for myself. The problem is that if you put in "enough" removal for MonoRed, you get matched with Boros Tokens/Convoke. Take some out to diversify your removal options and you get swarmed with MonoRed and can't keep the 1for1 train going. Harvester of Misery is a good "middle ground" and is probably why he's using it in place of the white Overlord. EDIT: What's your take on Commune with Evil?
Funnily enough, at 35:50, the red prowess player has a losing but funny play that clears the big moth demon. He could monstrous rage on swiftspear, burn together targetting swiftspear and the demon, sacrificing the role token, the scamp, and the equipment, then monstrous rage the swiftspear again to reapply the role token, before burn together resolves, for the 9th power needed.
its really interesting how much different the BO1 meta is compared to BO3. i've been playing a lot of BO# lately with a Falcon Gambit deck and not once have I seen a mono red player
I love this deck against red agro, also that mirror match opponent would have probably lost to red agro, because it's seem they where more Demon theme, GG LVD :)
Not necessarily. I think the most important part is the cheap instant removal thay exiles. I think you can probably have many different win conditions that dont need to involve expensive mythics. There is lots of uncommon discard outlets available, and i think you can have good results with also some other reanimate targets that you might already have in your collection. Try out like atraxa or vaultborne tyrant if you have picked those up from your packs.
People will cry all day when mono red is on top of the meta, but I rather die in a few minutes than play against an UW control deck for half an hour. Plus if you are still getting creamed by mono red, why aren’t you playing one of LVDs counter decks?
I remember building hate decks to deal with the latest oppressive meta deck and the MTGA algorithm promptly facing me against mirrors or actively avoiding pitching me against the current Bane of the format, I think that was the last nail in the coffin and why I haven't played arena for 3+ years now.
At first i was quite annoyed that they printed that t2 kill leyline, but watching these last two lvd videos had me thinking that maybe it will force people to try all new kinds of strategies to beat the aggro. Combo/reanimator decks with some control are good against aggro for sure.
So the greatest thing happened after trying out this deck. Played six matches, didn't play a single time against monored, lost all of them and got demoted in rank. Glad it works for Legend tho 😢
I hate the new mono red so much. You must have an untapped land into turn one removal or you die turn two, and then you still die unless you have a second removal spell
He just had the perfect cards against mono red I’ve seen this deck already a few times and always won with mono red (btw I play mono red only cuz of all the control players out there (anything with 12 or more removal/ counter spells))
tried making this deck.... god its so inconsistent. the concept of a zombify deck is cool but you have so many dead draws and theres not many ways to get creatures into your graveyard.
One thing about what you said at the end of match 5, although your opponent didn't have the mana to do it, if he puts a removal spell on the stack and then creates a token in response to the ward trigger, I'm pretty sure you would never have an opportunity to remove the token. You get priority to respond to the trigger of fountainport, but on resolution priority is back to your opponent in the same situation, where he has the choice to either pay the ward cost or put something else on the stack. Please correct me if there is something I'm missing.
Hey, LVD. Big idiot here again. I use your red deck to quite good effect and majority of my opponents were also red with 1 red white and 1 red green both doing similar things. I love reanimation decks and one of my first big decks was using Tomebound Lich to discard Agent of Treachery and reanimate that. The problem is that usually when I copy a deck from a video I will rarely ever play against the intended counter. Red is pretty op right now so I imagine there won't be any shortage but I am wondering if these were cherry picked or a good representation of your experience. Also, is BW the best reanimator combo right now or is there a good UB/ UBW variant?
@@LegenVD My first 5 games were against completely random decks. My first game against mono red they got stuck on 1 land for 6 turns and I ended up drawing 14 lands in a row before they killed me. :(
Quick rules question, in the case of Valgavoth exiling creatures that would go into the graveyard i.e. heartfire hero / cacophany scamp as mentioned in the beginning, is that trigger not separate from dying? I thought the creature died, its death triggers happened then it goes to graveyard in which it would then be exiled instead. Why is this not the case? I thought death and change of zones triggers were separate from each other.
Those creatures technically never "died" so their abilities never trigger in the first place. "Dying" in Magic is an easier way of saying "is put from the battlefield into the graveyard", but since those creatures would move from the battlefield to exile they never actually "died". Other cards that care about creatures dying also wouldn't trigger. This is the same reason why using removal like Elspeth's Smite and Anoint with Affliction don't cause those creatures to trigger.
Valgavoth is worded as such: "If a card you didn't control would be put into an opponent's graveyard from anywhere, exile it instead" In other words, Valgavoth doesn't snatch the creature after it's already died and hit the graveyard. His replacement effect doesn't let the creature properly die in the first place. The creature is exiled *instead* of dying, therefore death triggers don't happen.
@@chriscastle1629 That second part was a joke. Not the first part though. there are is a lot more 3 damage or mv=3 or less based exile removal because or mono red now.
Specifically in the Monored matchup I think Disfigure might be better. But I've faced enough random 2/3 creatures that I would still lean towards Cut Down overall.
This video was a festival of the 2 most unbearable decks in standard right now… valgavoth reanimator and monored…. I watched the whole video just rooting for both players to lose
This is nice, but MTG Arena's matchmaking is rigged so you don't run into mono red that often when playing some of these decks. On the other hand, if I play mono red just to finish daily tasks quick, 90% of my matchups are mirorr matches xD.
The play queue does indeed match you based on what deck you’re playing, the ranked queue doesn’t take this into account, so then it might just be confirmation bias.
I saved the best game for last!
We'll never get tired of seeing that Millionaire shtick 😂
😂😂
lol that was the best indeed 🤣
Yeah the last one got me lol
The best man Legend, made 1 monored video but made 2 anti-monored videos.
Oh I don't think we're stopping here.
@@uselesscommon7761 The more the better!
@@uselesscommon7761 but WHY should we stop HEEERE??
He is known to show meta changing decks before playin and showcasing their counters.
@goonaxe7471 🥺🥺
Dude aggressively mulliganing to 3 cards in hand to concede on turn 2 is peak red deck gameplay
Right🤣
Red when Arena doesn't hand them a win on a silver platter
im loving this week’s theme of showing and then attacking the current meta defining deck
thanks lvd
Breaking: Elder demon defeated by really large mouse. More news at 12.
actually a small but really angry mouse.
Its a cousin of the squirrels who took down emrakul
Such is life, in -The Zone- Magic: The Gathering.
"It's the perfect answer, assuming you can get to two mana."
Really puts this whole metagame in perspective.
What's insane is that this deck, in Orzhov colors, trying to counter red, runs no lifegain beyond Valgavoth, because lifegain is too slow.
That is crazy lol
It's definitely due to the fact that there's no Soul Warden effects available for 1 mana in the current rotation. You won't be able to start enabling life gain until turn 3, and by then it'd be too late against Mono Red
Imagine if Authority of the Consuls was standard legal.
@@SirGrimLockSmithVIII Case of the Uneaten Feast?
@@seannowlan4389 oh ye true I forgot about that one. Was thinking of creatures and got side tracked
maybe a dumb question but are all these matches curated or sequential? Are you really hitting that many mono red in BO1 right now?
sheesh
I get like 2/3 decks as mono red or the rakdos variant I think, in unranked it seems people are a little more likely to diversify
Yeah easily 2 out of 3 decks have been monored lately.
I just took the monored deck from a previous video from Silver 4 to Diamond 1 with only 2 losses the entire way. It's extremely powerful right now.
@@k3rr3k1/ u shouldn’t even brag about it. WE all know it’s powerful.
2/ CGB proved you can go from Gold (can’t remember exactly) to Mythic in 2h of play with a mono red deck.
3/ Hitting mythic with mono red is like being an athlete on steroids.
@@derrick031072 1h30min haha
LVD, I just want to say that your positive attitude is such a treasure for the Magic community. Whereas so many people are wailing and proclaiming the death of Standard in view of the state of monored, you just get down to the business of showing us how to beat it, with optimism and professionalism. Bravo, good sir.
I lol'd at the WWTBAM bit! Building this deck now. Thank you!
seeing skilless monored addicts getting absolutely crushed is peak content
It's like watching a bunch of crackheads try to box Mike tyson one at a time
I've been trying to make a deck like this work for myself. The problem is that if you put in "enough" removal for MonoRed, you get matched with Boros Tokens/Convoke. Take some out to diversify your removal options and you get swarmed with MonoRed and can't keep the 1for1 train going. Harvester of Misery is a good "middle ground" and is probably why he's using it in place of the white Overlord.
EDIT: What's your take on Commune with Evil?
Funnily enough, at 35:50, the red prowess player has a losing but funny play that clears the big moth demon. He could monstrous rage on swiftspear, burn together targetting swiftspear and the demon, sacrificing the role token, the scamp, and the equipment, then monstrous rage the swiftspear again to reapply the role token, before burn together resolves, for the 9th power needed.
All those very cheap removals. Who knows what they are for 😂
everytime a mono red players forfeits in anger, an angel in heaven smiles
I love the fun editing you do, especially because it's not in every video so its always a nice surprise
Deep respect for the opponent in match 1, who in face of a giant terror moth decided to go all out.
its really interesting how much different the BO1 meta is compared to BO3. i've been playing a lot of BO# lately with a Falcon Gambit deck and not once have I seen a mono red player
Don’t forget about matchmaking. Depending on what your playing, you may not get matched with mono red much
in the past few days probably 75% of my games are vs monored in bo1 ranked...
@@dickdeoreoyou really don't see monored in BO3 though
I love this deck against red agro, also that mirror match opponent would have probably lost to red agro, because it's seem they where more Demon theme, GG LVD :)
This is BY FAR the best arena channel on TH-cam. If you really want to learn to play, Legen is the man to watch!
Legend finally avenging all my whoopings by monored in the standard climb, you've done me a great service good sir
I always love these Who wants to be a millionaire questions haha. Monored players going outside is the true answer
Cool deck. Thanks. Enjoying the content. Great work all around.
Luka really trying to squeeze out content from bullying monored til the leyline gets banned lol
Match 3 seemed like a 12 round pro-box-match
I look forward to the day we don't need to maindeck elspeth's smite
I've been taking a break from the game for a few months and I've got to say, this bo1 meta seems just absolutely miserable
Well you can try build some various decks to beat it :) like this one and the deck from yesterdays video.
@@ei9443 For sure, and I did think this deck looked cool, I just don't like having to play against the same strategy that much
the millionaire bit in the last game made me spit my drink
This deck saves me from mono red. Thank you!
That ending made me giggle, great video!
Valganimate provides a lot of value
HELL YEAH BROTHER!
Great match 3 vs the mirror! ❤
The amout of fun I have with your videos is insane!!
Glad you like them!
So... to stand a chance against the cheapest top meta deck I have to invest like 40 Rare/Mythic WC?
Not necessarily. I think the most important part is the cheap instant removal thay exiles. I think you can probably have many different win conditions that dont need to involve expensive mythics. There is lots of uncommon discard outlets available, and i think you can have good results with also some other reanimate targets that you might already have in your collection. Try out like atraxa or vaultborne tyrant if you have picked those up from your packs.
Also the 4 mana reanimation spell is uncommon
People will cry all day when mono red is on top of the meta, but I rather die in a few minutes than play against an UW control deck for half an hour.
Plus if you are still getting creamed by mono red, why aren’t you playing one of LVDs counter decks?
I remember building hate decks to deal with the latest oppressive meta deck and the MTGA algorithm promptly facing me against mirrors or actively avoiding pitching me against the current Bane of the format, I think that was the last nail in the coffin and why I haven't played arena for 3+ years now.
Can you check in Arena if Marvin's ability works in the GY if you have a creature that comes back from the GY in play under your control?
At first i was quite annoyed that they printed that t2 kill leyline, but watching these last two lvd videos had me thinking that maybe it will force people to try all new kinds of strategies to beat the aggro. Combo/reanimator decks with some control are good against aggro for sure.
So the greatest thing happened after trying out this deck. Played six matches, didn't play a single time against monored, lost all of them and got demoted in rank. Glad it works for Legend tho 😢
Can't wait 'til the complete trilogy: "How to *Eviscerate* Monored in Standard".
"Assuming the opponent doesn't have a turn 2 kill on the play"
What has become of the format
It’s wild to think a turn 4 flying 9/9 with ward and lifelink on the play might not be good enough. What an insane meta.
NOBODY has the balls to play splitskin doll. That's why you're the best
monored players not understanding that two Monstrous Rages don't work on the same creature will never not be hilarious to me
Mono Red is so easily beaten that is hard to understand why play it, except losing fast!
Honestly when I see the mono red deck I just forfeit because its boring.
cut down isnt enough for mono red, id play all 4 smites and 2 Not On My Watch
I hate the new mono red so much. You must have an untapped land into turn one removal or you die turn two, and then you still die unless you have a second removal spell
Mono red is an insane menace right now, one of either scamp or heartfire hero needs to be banned. Turn 2 standard is not what I want for 3 more years
i sure do hope he showcases more explorer decks!
..like an azorius foretell deck perhaps
the Who Wants to be a Millionaire sound on the concede caught me off guard lmao nice touch!
There are many ways to beat monored... if they're not on the play and you at least get to draw them.
insane that a mono-red aggro deck can actually trade for a 9/9 you cheated out on turn 4
Painlands are such garbage lands.
Your games and editing continues to be top-notch haha!
most consistent deck ?, this one or the u/w oculus deck
The interaction at 36:10 made me laugh way to hard lol
Love these, especially the jeopardy bits
the fake-out in game 6 on monored was real
Monored players are sooooooo boring.....
The title i have been waiting for. 😊
match 3 was so close. Great game!
He just had the perfect cards against mono red I’ve seen this deck already a few times and always won with mono red (btw I play mono red only cuz of all the control players out there (anything with 12 or more removal/ counter spells))
I'm sure the decks you faced weren't optimized to beat monored, like the opponent we faced in the mirror match.
inside out 2!!!
This feels much more smoothed out than jim davis' bw reanimator. Time to burn some wildcards.
Match 10 was amazing
tried making this deck.... god its so inconsistent. the concept of a zombify deck is cool but you have so many dead draws and theres not many ways to get creatures into your graveyard.
There are ten Discard outlets and more ways to Mill and Surveil. Just gotta make sure to look for opening hands that have most of what you need.
One thing about what you said at the end of match 5, although your opponent didn't have the mana to do it, if he puts a removal spell on the stack and then creates a token in response to the ward trigger, I'm pretty sure you would never have an opportunity to remove the token. You get priority to respond to the trigger of fountainport, but on resolution priority is back to your opponent in the same situation, where he has the choice to either pay the ward cost or put something else on the stack. Please correct me if there is something I'm missing.
Ward is a trigger on the stack, so both players get a round of priority before it has a chance to resolve, like with every other trigger.
I saw this notification and thought... wait, is this a reupload?
When will you show us the power of Meathook Massacre II? :)
Don’t think the card is playable in the current meta unfortunately.
the great door is not that great. would it better to just replace it with more liliana?
Definitely something that can be replaced, although one concern was having enough Bargain enablers.
Real
Hey, LVD. Big idiot here again. I use your red deck to quite good effect and majority of my opponents were also red with 1 red white and 1 red green both doing similar things. I love reanimation decks and one of my first big decks was using Tomebound Lich to discard Agent of Treachery and reanimate that. The problem is that usually when I copy a deck from a video I will rarely ever play against the intended counter. Red is pretty op right now so I imagine there won't be any shortage but I am wondering if these were cherry picked or a good representation of your experience.
Also, is BW the best reanimator combo right now or is there a good UB/ UBW variant?
Well over 2/3 games have been against monored for me, but your experience may vary.
@@LegenVD My first 5 games were against completely random decks. My first game against mono red they got stuck on 1 land for 6 turns and I ended up drawing 14 lands in a row before they killed me. :(
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Quick rules question, in the case of Valgavoth exiling creatures that would go into the graveyard i.e. heartfire hero / cacophany scamp as mentioned in the beginning, is that trigger not separate from dying? I thought the creature died, its death triggers happened then it goes to graveyard in which it would then be exiled instead. Why is this not the case? I thought death and change of zones triggers were separate from each other.
Those creatures technically never "died" so their abilities never trigger in the first place. "Dying" in Magic is an easier way of saying "is put from the battlefield into the graveyard", but since those creatures would move from the battlefield to exile they never actually "died". Other cards that care about creatures dying also wouldn't trigger. This is the same reason why using removal like Elspeth's Smite and Anoint with Affliction don't cause those creatures to trigger.
Valgavoth is worded as such: "If a card you didn't control would be put into an opponent's graveyard from anywhere, exile it instead"
In other words, Valgavoth doesn't snatch the creature after it's already died and hit the graveyard. His replacement effect doesn't let the creature properly die in the first place. The creature is exiled *instead* of dying, therefore death triggers don't happen.
@@LegenVD Ahh gotcha, that makes sense, thanks!
4+ cost creatures with 4+ toughness are going to dodge a lot of removal in standard. Maybe Sheoldred will finally be good.
What
@@chriscastle1629 That second part was a joke. Not the first part though. there are is a lot more 3 damage or mv=3 or less based exile removal because or mono red now.
@@rupert7565 tru
Cut down, or the -2/-2? Which is better?
Specifically in the Monored matchup I think Disfigure might be better. But I've faced enough random 2/3 creatures that I would still lean towards Cut Down overall.
@LegenVD wow thanks for replying! Love your content
Is there not standard legal reanimate??
They typically cost 5 mana, or have some other restriction (like they can only reanimate things with MV 3 or less).
@@JRandall0308 I meant the card reanimate I thought it was printed in thunder junction
@@madisonking8057 As a "breaking news" card, which are just alternate art reprints of out-of-set cards that are not legal in Standard.
@@ForeverLaxx oh
Notification squad. I can’t wait to brew reanimate.
First Time I ever played monored, first time I ever hit mythic................
This video was a festival of the 2 most unbearable decks in standard right now… valgavoth reanimator and monored…. I watched the whole video just rooting for both players to lose
This is nice, but MTG Arena's matchmaking is rigged so you don't run into mono red that often when playing some of these decks. On the other hand, if I play mono red just to finish daily tasks quick, 90% of my matchups are mirorr matches xD.
The play queue does indeed match you based on what deck you’re playing, the ranked queue doesn’t take this into account, so then it might just be confirmation bias.