People have been doing the same thing for ages with high value cars. You’ll notice they all have Montana plates in order to get out of the high registration fees based on the value of the vehicle. Go to RSF cars and coffee on a Saturday and you’ll see 90% of the cars are Montana plated.
Sweet. Here in NEW Mexico we have legitimate privately owned branches of the DMV. Since they're private they're 100x more efficient than the government run branches. However there's an extra service fee you need to pay for that efficiency. So when it comes to OHV's they'll pass nearly anything you bring in as long as it has it's VIN(s), headlight, and tail light. All they want is they're fee whereas the state run DMV will tell you no, stop, and don't.
It's really weird when you're TRYING to do the right thing and the powers that be basically say, "yeah we know you're trying to, but we really aren't into that..."
agents of the laws and the powers that be ugh... two totally different things. the DMV workers just enforce the policies and keep their job. the folks that make traffic laws, I blame them. and the way they make laws is based on what lobbyists tell them what to say. ugh, its literally why j walking was made illegal.
"The Montana LLC loophole is well known by law enforcement in CA. I had a friend who put Montana plates on his dual sport motorcycle and got pulled over by a Ranger. The Ranger confiscated his plates and fined him heavily and implied that he could have also been charged for title/registration fraud. The Ranger had even recognized the mailing address on the registration that pointed back to the Montana registered agent's office. It was a real bad day for my friend.". From Reddit. Another commenter said it works in every state but California. Anyway you look very healthy in this video which is great.
He also didn't say if he has a motorcycle license. Id assume since it's in effect a motorcycle he'll need one. And if he doesn't have one he can catch a ticket just for that.
@@divdevoe3994 Yeah I'm a bit skeptical of registering it in another state. The way our government is. Why can't all those vehicles be registered in most states? We shouldn't be having to go through crap like DirtLegal.
I also have a 2 stroke pedal start french moped from the gas recession of the 70's I rebuilt out of a junkyard. With the 70cc top end it goes 67mph and only cost $1,300 to build. Also it's registered because old-school cali is badass like that
Appreciate the quality and quantity of all yer vids. So much gd info. I live in Sac, and I'm definitely gona try and swing by yer shop one day. Gracias !!🚴♀️🤙
@AlderaansRanger Get a Rwarr Mantis, it comes with a M.O.T & vin#. It comes with all the plugs & turn signal switch already, has a headlight, & horn you just need turn signals, a brake light & you're good to go, even without Dirt Legal If anyone interested in a Rwarr Mantis, use code SHMANTIS to save $100.
Good on you. I have an m1ps also and the DMV said “it’s beyond our expertise”. So I’m just ballin’ until something happens. To be fair I go really slow, let people pass, and am out in the boons. Suggestion-Take the Eahora stickers off. It’s looks much sleeker
I appreciate the information you provided. I do, however, have some questions. Assume you’re driving the bike in California, get pulled over, and are asked for your license and registration. What happens when the registration is to an LLC that doesn’t match your license? Do you carry your LLC papers with you? How many months can you drive in California without the requirement of registering the bike in California? How much will it cost to transfer that title and pay the fees and taxes? Will there be any additional problems with registration in California given the hurtles you went through before even though it was legally registered in Montana before the transfer? And finally, who underwrites the insurance required for an operating a vehicle in California when it is registered in Montana? Thanks.
Ran into something similar in my state. My state actually does have a classification for something like this which is an electric moped. No speed limits, pedal requirements, and only a vin/incidental safety inspection is what the code says is required. Unfortunately, like in this video, the DMV had a completely different idea on the laws, definition, and inspection process they are SUPPOSED to follow. Still trying but might have to take them to court to challenge it.
If I have to title, reg, and insure an ebike Im just going to pull something out of the garage with 2 wheels that actually has an engine. Laugh how so many complain about Cali and continue to live there. Well done.
This is what happens when you get a bloated, super majority of one party government. The problem is not only with vehicles. I have a Moen sink that has a swivel. It began to drip, so I tried to order the parts to fix it, which consisted of 2 O-rings and a nylon piece only to find out the repair parts are illegal in California and cannot be shipped into the state. California is the state that just past massive water restrictions and you would think they would be happy that someone was trying to conserve water, but the brain dead politicians just keep passing legislation with unintended consequences. The only answer is to move out of California before it totally collapses.
I am running into a similar issue with my Motor Goat v3. My Goat has a serial number, but not a VIN. It has passed a level 3 inspection for "road worthiness" in Arizona (running lights, high/low beam headlamp, brake lights, turn signals, etc). The Arizona DMV has been struggling with this for well over a month. What I need is an "assigned" VIN. This is my major hurdle. I have vehicular liability insurance on it, which exceeds the state minimum. It is too fast to be a "scooter", and does not fit their 50cc engine narrative either. It does match a special category of a vehicle in this state called a "Motor powered cycle of 5 HP or less". This category does not have a maximum speed limit, like a scooter and moped does. The Motor Goat v3 is a 3000 watt, 45 MPH eBike. So it is well beyond the usual 28MPH 750 Watt definition of an eBike.
With pedals you can usually get away with it, but yes you would need a VIN in most cases. Perhaps a question for dirt legal as I'm not sure if it's doable or not. It MIGHT be.
i have still seen where police in PA will not allow you to ride it on the road even with valid plates and reg. (mostly because it is unable to be inspected and registered in pa as it is) since they kinda know what is going on... it sucks , wish they weren't so strict.
I am retired, and I am curious about everything. And I must say this is one of the best videos I’ve ever seen with information that people really need to use. Because I want a lot of videos with electric bikes and electric motorcycles and electric dirt bikes, and this solves a lot of problems for them. And I can’t tell you how much they should appreciate you.this is amazing!
I went through the hassle and expense of getting my admitjet armor electric dirt bike registered in WA state. However I still can’t legally ride on the road because the state requires liability insurance, and no insurer I spoke with would give me insurance at any price. Since the make and model isn’t in their database, they refuse to insure it. To further add salt to the wound the renewal tabs cost $150 because of $120 “electrification fees.” Gas dirt bike tabs are less than $30!
I love California, I’ve lived here my whole life but I’m starting to really dislike it and am tired of having to defend it. I’m all for trying to help the environment but they’re going too far. Anyway it’s an Electric Vehicle. I’ve heard about the Montana thing from another TH-cam
I contacted dirt LEGAL about Montana plate. You might not have certain fees and it might be a permanent plate but in order to keep it active, you have to pay them. I think it was $100 a year.
They've been doing this for years to help people avoid paying Taxes and Regsitration Fees. Tons if people do this and save THOUSANDS on their RVs amd Vehicles. You can even get a PO BOX number for any mail that you get they the electronically send you your mail.
@@carstarsarstenstesenn.... It's a Democrat Town. And the old lady killed due to her actions (not others), was a friend of the Mayor and several council members.
Hey! I'm new here but you keep mentioning you are from California. I have been doing some research on Damon Motors (a Canadian electric motorcycle company) because 5 years ago I reserved a Damon Hyperfighter. There is a video floating around on youtube showing that they have a very small commercial location somewhere in California. Have you seen these at any events in California? I'm curious if you know anything about them! Thanks! :)
Any advise on needing a motorcycle license for any of these bikes? Looking to get Eahora, Land or Maeving. I live in Illinois and In my younger years I risked never getting my license. Now when im looking up the regulations it’s a pretty big gray area of if I need to get a license. Like you said Eahora website calls them scooters which I wouldn’t need a license for here but just looking at it, it’s obviously a motorcycle.
The only thing holding me back from doing this myself is the insurance. How do you plan on getting coverage when they ask you address, my agent even said why isn't it tagged here in Florida if you live here?
@@SSFKeith No, I had the Dirtlegal order ready to go but backed off until I have an answer for insurance. If I am pulled over, having it registered is only half the battle...
never seen some try so hard to regulate themselves, having talked to deputies they all say it doesn't need anything to be on the road just follow bike/road laws.
Any way to get a replacement for a revoked California Driver's Licence other than claiming a recent illegal entry into the US without any documentation or vetting? I jest. Sort of.. The Montana LLC thing is sheer genius. Kudos.
Ok. Thank you! Btw, I have a pedal kit on my talaria xxx and I’m still paranoid that my bike can be impounded. I don’t do wheelies and ride crazy. Do you think I should be fine without registering it?
First all speed should be over 50phm mirrors turning signal rear break light and yeah cailfornia should let's us make ours electric bike or motorcycle on road
You’re not done yet.. once the bike hits California, you have have 30 days to register it here.. so it may get easier since it’s already registered in MT.. please keep us updated.
Read 12.145 Privileges of Nonresidents (VC §6700). It’s clearly required. The Montana LLC is the owner but it is furnishing the vehicle to you, a California resident, for regular use on CA highways. I’m not saying it matters to you or me, just trying to get to facts.
As soon as CHP told me I dont have to register it... boom end of story. Im ripping around on my electric bike and I am enjoying my registration-free transportation and not self-reporting lmfao. Trying to ruin a good thing for all "e-bike" enjoyers lmfao.
Ça fonctionne tu au Canada aussi ??? Parce que j'ai poser des questions et personnes ne semble savoir et ces gens là sont supposés être nos experts . Pitoyable !!! De Gatineau Québec Canada !!!
I think the main selling point for the Surron and the e-moto class bikes is the gray zone they fit in modern traffic law. The ambiguity that they provide to someone who wants to rip around a big city and not get in trouble.... if riding responsibly is something that makes them a more attractive choice for someone that hates government involvement.
CA charges a grip of $$ for trucks....by weight and size...you can have a 20 year old truck and be $500 register fees every year.....this loophole be good for this...lol
If you're sporting a Montana plate in California, the cop is going tell you to switch it over if you live in California and also give you a time frame to switch it over. So whats the point of this video.
Such a fucking headache to ride on the road. It’s at the point where you just want to say fuck it. Let me have fun and ride and leave me alone. Just use Dirt Legal though. They work and approve everything for dirt bikes or emotos that you want to ride on the road to the trails.
I asked an attorney friend about this (I'd like to try it with my Sur-Ron), and he said it's clever, BUT: While you might be able to successfully register your Sur-Ron in Montana through an LLC, the challenge arises when you operate the vehicle in California. California requires that vehicles operated by California residents be registered in California. If you are a California resident and operate a vehicle primarily in California, you are legally required to register that vehicle with the California DMV. CVC §4000.4 states that any vehicle "owned by a nonresident and based in California or primarily used on California highways" must be registered in California within 20 days of entry into the state. Operating a Montana-registered Sur-Ron in California could be seen as a violation of this law if you reside in California and the Sur-Ron is primarily used there. CVC §4000.4(b) provides a nonresident exemption, allowing vehicles owned by nonresidents to be operated in California for up to 6 months without California registration. So just be careful, the police still might be able to cite you.
it is a scooter just in the shape of a motorcycle which is why it's so low to the ground many e scooters can reach to 50 miles per hour. so yeah not an e-bike :/ but e scooter with the body of a motorcycle thus dubbed as *build motorcycle.
I hated every part of this video as a Californian who has had to register multiple two strokes throughout his life I know the loopholes throughout the entirety of this law and I think of you as a b**** for not sticking it through and doing it right even if you had to do it through Arizona
Literally the only reason sovereign citizen schtick ever works is because the cop doesn't want to listen to your nonsense. No sovereign citizen defense has ever worked in a courtroom.
Why argue it?you should of just got a paper that said motor scooter or video him telling u that.your waking them up I used to like your channel,but home u basically "snitched" out the whole loophole culture then televised it.smh I'm in NY we don't play with the dmv for scooters.thats gonna come back and bite ya in the ass.do u homie I'm out.
I saw a comment here about cars, etc, all using this 'Montana method', and how cops know. If you ask me, the Montana plate is a red flag for cops, telling them "This guy is riding an illegal machine", causing them to instantly light you up. To be honest, your attitude reeks of entitlement, as in, "It's got wheels and a motor. I have a right to register it". I'm not saying that most of the world is wayyyyy behind on integrating small electrics into their transportation systems, and that they desperately need to catch up... but that doesn't mean that they should just close their eyes and allow any wheeled device on public roads, and at the moment, your bike doesn't qualify in California. So, don't be surprised if/when you get stopped, and maybe even lose it.
Depending on the bike in question. Most are overpriced yes. Even for gas bikes, most are overpriced for what you get. I've been a motorcycle rider all my life. Never meet a bike worth more than 5k, ever. Best i've seen for Great Quality are Hondas. Kawasaki, Yamaha, Suski are next best Quality wise.
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People have been doing the same thing for ages with high value cars. You’ll notice they all have Montana plates in order to get out of the high registration fees based on the value of the vehicle. Go to RSF cars and coffee on a Saturday and you’ll see 90% of the cars are Montana plated.
Sweet. Here in NEW Mexico we have legitimate privately owned branches of the DMV. Since they're private they're 100x more efficient than the government run branches. However there's an extra service fee you need to pay for that efficiency.
So when it comes to OHV's they'll pass nearly anything you bring in as long as it has it's VIN(s), headlight, and tail light. All they want is they're fee whereas the state run DMV will tell you no, stop, and don't.
It's really weird when you're TRYING to do the right thing and the powers that be basically say, "yeah we know you're trying to, but we really aren't into that..."
Taking away our freedom
It's to control you. Nothing more
@@brianmccann666or laziness on the part of state authorities as well as fear of being wrong and liability if they misinterpret the law
agents of the laws and the powers that be ugh... two totally different things.
the DMV workers just enforce the policies and keep their job.
the folks that make traffic laws, I blame them.
and the way they make laws is based on what lobbyists tell them what to say.
ugh, its literally why j walking was made illegal.
"The Montana LLC loophole is well known by law enforcement in CA. I had a friend who put Montana plates on his dual sport motorcycle and got pulled over by a Ranger. The Ranger confiscated his plates and fined him heavily and implied that he could have also been charged for title/registration fraud. The Ranger had even recognized the mailing address on the registration that pointed back to the Montana registered agent's office. It was a real bad day for my friend.".
From Reddit. Another commenter said it works in every state but California. Anyway you look very healthy in this video which is great.
He also didn't say if he has a motorcycle license. Id assume since it's in effect a motorcycle he'll need one. And if he doesn't have one he can catch a ticket just for that.
@@donvee2000 Yeah motorcycle i endorsement is needed in many States. Commiefornia does need it
Georgia is also cracking down with the montana license plate.
@@divdevoe3994 Yeah I'm a bit skeptical of registering it in another state. The way our government is. Why can't all those vehicles be registered in most states? We shouldn't be having to go through crap like DirtLegal.
If it comes up I'll probably fight it. I'd like to see the legal side of that instance.
I also have a 2 stroke pedal start french moped from the gas recession of the 70's I rebuilt out of a junkyard. With the 70cc top end it goes 67mph and only cost $1,300 to build. Also it's registered because old-school cali is badass like that
damn kyle i haven't watched your vids in a while and i almost didn't recognize you! Well done on the weight loss my man!
It's from getting ill, unfortunately
Appreciate the quality and quantity of all yer vids. So much gd info. I live in Sac, and I'm definitely gona try and swing by yer shop one day. Gracias !!🚴♀️🤙
I'm in Illinois and got my plates yesterday. Only needed bill of sale and $346 for tax and $206 for sticker. I point needed L DL. Easy peasy.
Dirt legal been around for years. Had a friend in Florida register his surron through them in 2020 with no issues
Did your friend register their Surron as a Motocycle or an off-road vehicle?
I’m going to use them when I get my Surron ultra bee next weekend.
@AlderaansRanger Get a Rwarr Mantis, it comes with a M.O.T & vin#.
It comes with all the plugs & turn signal switch already, has a headlight, & horn you just need turn signals, a brake light & you're good to go, even without Dirt Legal
If anyone interested in a Rwarr Mantis, use code SHMANTIS to save $100.
Good on you. I have an m1ps also and the DMV said “it’s beyond our expertise”. So I’m just ballin’ until something happens. To be fair I go really slow, let people pass, and am out in the boons. Suggestion-Take the Eahora stickers off. It’s looks much sleeker
If it's in CA for more than 15 days you must register regardless CA has a 1800 report line too 🎉
can you use local insurance or just in state registered?
I'll done this on a few of my vehicles and recommended it to my friends. It's great!
"You didn't get my money" LMAO
I appreciate the information you provided. I do, however, have some questions.
Assume you’re driving the bike in California, get pulled over, and are asked for your license and registration.
What happens when the registration is to an LLC that doesn’t match your license? Do you carry your LLC papers with you?
How many months can you drive in California without the requirement of registering the bike in California?
How much will it cost to transfer that title and pay the fees and taxes?
Will there be any additional problems with registration in California given the hurtles you went through before even though it was legally registered in Montana before the transfer?
And finally, who underwrites the insurance required for an operating a vehicle in California when it is registered in Montana?
Thanks.
*Vermont will title it n reg then take Vermont reg to Cali dmv*
Vermont just had this loophole changed. You con no longer do this
My diy has a VIN number, but I don't need to register it in France, I can restrict it on the go like when I'm in town so no danger.
Ran into something similar in my state. My state actually does have a classification for something like this which is an electric moped. No speed limits, pedal requirements, and only a vin/incidental safety inspection is what the code says is required. Unfortunately, like in this video, the DMV had a completely different idea on the laws, definition, and inspection process they are SUPPOSED to follow. Still trying but might have to take them to court to challenge it.
I got my rumble motors air ss v2 with max speeds of 65mph and I use it as ebike here in Florida. Whenever I see a cop , I just start pedaling. 🤣
If I have to title, reg, and insure an ebike Im just going to pull something out of the garage with 2 wheels that actually has an engine.
Laugh how so many complain about Cali and continue to live there.
Well done.
That’s how u do it brother! Congrats! Now do a comparison on the M1PS and a the NEW Goat Hulk 5KW 😉 I’m waiting to spend my money on one!
This is what happens when you get a bloated, super majority of one party government. The problem is not only with vehicles. I have a Moen sink that has a swivel. It began to drip, so I tried to order the parts to fix it, which consisted of 2 O-rings and a nylon piece only to find out the repair parts are illegal in California and cannot be shipped into the state. California is the state that just past massive water restrictions and you would think they would be happy that someone was trying to conserve water, but the brain dead politicians just keep passing legislation with unintended consequences. The only answer is to move out of California before it totally collapses.
Thank you ,I will do that I’m in San Francisco Ca
I am running into a similar issue with my Motor Goat v3. My Goat has a serial number, but not a VIN. It has passed a level 3 inspection for "road worthiness" in Arizona (running lights, high/low beam headlamp, brake lights, turn signals, etc). The Arizona DMV has been struggling with this for well over a month. What I need is an "assigned" VIN. This is my major hurdle. I have vehicular liability insurance on it, which exceeds the state minimum. It is too fast to be a "scooter", and does not fit their 50cc engine narrative either. It does match a special category of a vehicle in this state called a "Motor powered cycle of 5 HP or less". This category does not have a maximum speed limit, like a scooter and moped does.
The Motor Goat v3 is a 3000 watt, 45 MPH eBike. So it is well beyond the usual 28MPH 750 Watt definition of an eBike.
With pedals you can usually get away with it, but yes you would need a VIN in most cases. Perhaps a question for dirt legal as I'm not sure if it's doable or not. It MIGHT be.
There's no freeway restrictions for motorcycles, only riders. Best you should push for aim for is a motorized cycle
Thanks for the video, I'm enjoying this electric powered scooter stuff but it can become a headache how to classify.
i have still seen where police in PA will not allow you to ride it on the road even with valid plates and reg. (mostly because it is unable to be inspected and registered in pa as it is) since they kinda know what is going on... it sucks , wish they weren't so strict.
I am retired, and I am curious about everything. And I must say this is one of the best videos I’ve ever seen with information that people really need to use. Because I want a lot of videos with electric bikes and electric motorcycles and electric dirt bikes, and this solves a lot of problems for them. And I can’t tell you how much they should appreciate you.this is amazing!
I went through the hassle and expense of getting my admitjet armor electric dirt bike registered in WA state. However I still can’t legally ride on the road because the state requires liability insurance, and no insurer I spoke with would give me insurance at any price. Since the make and model isn’t in their database, they refuse to insure it. To further add salt to the wound the renewal tabs cost $150 because of $120 “electrification fees.” Gas dirt bike tabs are less than $30!
Progressive insured me, make and model weren't in their system either.
@@Area13ebikes I was on the phone with them multiple times and got nowhere. Do you have an agent I could contact?
GEICO for my M1PS
@@Area13ebikes thats next video...
I have a Sor-ron, will I have to pay insurance too, to ride on the streets.
Great video. May I ask the approximate total cost when you used Dirt legal? I may use their services within the next 3 weeks.
moved to Montana and found something like this info confirmed by an official S seller an pro ss seller so its acculturate by 100%.
I love California, I’ve lived here my whole life but I’m starting to really dislike it and am tired of having to defend it. I’m all for trying to help the environment but they’re going too far. Anyway it’s an Electric Vehicle. I’ve heard about the Montana thing from another TH-cam
What about insurance? Do you need it? What state, your home state or?
I contacted dirt LEGAL about Montana plate. You might not have certain fees and it might be a permanent plate but in order to keep it active, you have to pay them. I think it was $100 a year.
They've been doing this for years to help people avoid paying Taxes and Regsitration Fees. Tons if people do this and save THOUSANDS on their RVs amd Vehicles. You can even get a PO BOX number for any mail that you get they the electronically send you your mail.
Cali4nia is becoming more and more like Europe. Here it's a bureaucratic nightmare even when importing from countries in the same union.
Thank you for the info.
California is silly
Wait til you here about the Florida town that banned e bikes
@@carstarsarstenstesenn key biscayne..
@@carstarsarstenstesenn.... It's a Democrat Town. And the old lady killed due to her actions (not others), was a friend of the Mayor and several council members.
This is an Awesome work around
Hey! I'm new here but you keep mentioning you are from California. I have been doing some research on Damon Motors (a Canadian electric motorcycle company) because 5 years ago I reserved a Damon Hyperfighter. There is a video floating around on youtube showing that they have a very small commercial location somewhere in California. Have you seen these at any events in California? I'm curious if you know anything about them! Thanks! :)
Do you guys sell surrons at your shop in gv?
Working on something! 😀
can you get insurance?
if so, CA or MT insurance?
Hi, is there a company that can replicate a stock controller, but build it stonger?
Okay that’s dope!
Any advise on needing a motorcycle license for any of these bikes? Looking to get Eahora, Land or Maeving. I live in Illinois and In my younger years I risked never getting my license. Now when im looking up the regulations it’s a pretty big gray area of if I need to get a license. Like you said Eahora website calls them scooters which I wouldn’t need a license for here but just looking at it, it’s obviously a motorcycle.
Definitely need a license for land and maeving. Under most states I'd say probably for the eahora too.
The only thing holding me back from doing this myself is the insurance. How do you plan on getting coverage when they ask you address, my agent even said why isn't it tagged here in Florida if you live here?
Did you get it registered in Florida? I live in Florida and just received my bike.
@@SSFKeith No, I had the Dirtlegal order ready to go but backed off until I have an answer for insurance. If I am pulled over, having it registered is only half the battle...
@@jackfetteryou have GEICO in your state? Mines is and they care less about reg
you can't register the Surron with Dirt Legal because they require a MCO, which many of us don't have :(
never seen some try so hard to regulate themselves, having talked to deputies they all say it doesn't need anything to be on the road just follow bike/road laws.
Also buy the pedal kit for those ebikes and the cops can't take them. If it has bicycle pedals it's not a dirt bike😂😂😂
Any way to get a replacement for a revoked California Driver's Licence other than claiming a recent illegal entry into the US without any documentation or vetting?
I jest.
Sort of..
The Montana LLC thing is sheer genius. Kudos.
i just
They could have added a bigger battery to that
But what's the insurance cost...
can someone make a mark for when he actually tells ya how?
Can I register the bike if I still don’t have an M1/M2 license?
Don't think that matters but you should have one to ride it if you're going to register it.
Ok. Thank you! Btw, I have a pedal kit on my talaria xxx and I’m still paranoid that my bike can be impounded. I don’t do wheelies and ride crazy. Do you think I should be fine without registering it?
give a lot of "we didn't turn in the homework" ahh vibes.
First all speed should be over 50phm mirrors turning signal rear break light and yeah cailfornia should let's us make ours electric bike or motorcycle on road
🐝🏁 Video 👍 thanks ✌️
Hey is it possible to register a Graffiti X in Texas?
Using the method in this video I don't see why not. But with pedals I'd probably just leave it alone.
@@Area13ebikes okay I will try to blend in as regular biker until no cops around. Thank you for response.
Is it made or assembled in America?
Ryvid is, eahora china.
You’re not done yet.. once the bike hits California, you have have 30 days to register it here.. so it may get easier since it’s already registered in MT.. please keep us updated.
I thought you don’t have to since it’s registered to the Montana LLC
@@gkkuesffjshge4096I guess he didn't watch the whole video!
It’s owned by his Montana based llc. Nothing to do with California
Moving the title to California would probably be possible at this stage, but is not legally required.
Read 12.145 Privileges of Nonresidents (VC §6700). It’s clearly required. The Montana LLC is the owner but it is furnishing the vehicle to you, a California resident, for regular use on CA highways. I’m not saying it matters to you or me, just trying to get to facts.
Can we all agree that government blows on every level from local to federal?
As soon as CHP told me I dont have to register it... boom end of story. Im ripping around on my electric bike and I am enjoying my registration-free transportation and not self-reporting lmfao. Trying to ruin a good thing for all "e-bike" enjoyers lmfao.
Ça fonctionne tu au Canada aussi ??? Parce que j'ai poser des questions et personnes ne semble savoir et ces gens là sont supposés être nos experts . Pitoyable !!!
De Gatineau Québec Canada !!!
Sorry but idk for Canada!
bro im getting so pissed off with all these stupid ass laws, like just let us have fun😤😤😤
You didn't say if you have a motorcycle license...aince its in effect a motorcycle Id assume you'll be needing one to ride.
He obviously does. He has a proper motorcycle already which he showed and I think he mentioned the license in another video.
Yes I've had a motorcycle license for over 10 years.
I think the main selling point for the Surron and the e-moto class bikes is the gray zone they fit in modern traffic law. The ambiguity that they provide to someone who wants to rip around a big city and not get in trouble.... if riding responsibly is something that makes them a more attractive choice for someone that hates government involvement.
CA charges a grip of $$ for trucks....by weight and size...you can have a 20 year old truck and be $500 register fees every year.....this loophole be good for this...lol
If you're sporting a Montana plate in California, the cop is going tell you to switch it over if you live in California and also give you a time frame to switch it over. So whats the point of this video.
The LLC remains in Montana, did you even watch the whole video?
50 mph is way too slow for a real
Motorcycle. These people drive fast here.
Such a fucking headache to ride on the road. It’s at the point where you just want to say fuck it. Let me have fun and ride and leave me alone.
Just use Dirt Legal though. They work and approve everything for dirt bikes or emotos that you want to ride on the road to the trails.
Why not just get the scooter registration and call it good.
Why'd you get so thin? You okay, bro?
I asked an attorney friend about this (I'd like to try it with my Sur-Ron), and he said it's clever, BUT:
While you might be able to successfully register your Sur-Ron in Montana through an LLC, the challenge arises when you operate the vehicle in California. California requires that vehicles operated by California residents be registered in California. If you are a California resident and operate a vehicle primarily in California, you are legally required to register that vehicle with the California DMV.
CVC §4000.4 states that any vehicle "owned by a nonresident and based in California or primarily used on California highways" must be registered in California within 20 days of entry into the state. Operating a Montana-registered Sur-Ron in California could be seen as a violation of this law if you reside in California and the Sur-Ron is primarily used there.
CVC §4000.4(b) provides a nonresident exemption, allowing vehicles owned by nonresidents to be operated in California for up to 6 months without California registration.
So just be careful, the police still might be able to cite you.
Brah… my neighbors vehicles all have expired temp tags. One expired in 2019.
I’m curious if they even bother to insure them.
Los Angeles is ghetto.
Why would you go thru all of this??? I got an electric bike so I can avoid the DMV, registration, insurance and all the other crap.
And this is why people dont give a f and ride wherever, and i dont blame them.
it is a scooter just in the shape of a motorcycle which is why it's so low to the ground many e scooters can reach to 50 miles per hour. so yeah not an e-bike :/ but e scooter with the body of a motorcycle thus dubbed as *build motorcycle.
Tell me you are uneducated without telling me you’re uneducated
Why do all that just ride the thing
Your problem is you're in Cali lol
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Person in Santa Monica gets ticketed and gets his Eahora (i think) impounded.
I think the solution is to move out of California lmao. Doing all your due diligence and they still have a problem with it. Ridiculous.
I hated every part of this video as a Californian who has had to register multiple two strokes throughout his life I know the loopholes throughout the entirety of this law and I think of you as a b**** for not sticking it through and doing it right even if you had to do it through Arizona
I heard this company has very poor customer service
I can only speak for my experience which was good.
It's already legal to ride learn your rights lol you have the right to travel
Lmfao. Can’t wait to see your “sovereign citizen” video
@@5lim.0 lmfao sovereign citizens don't exist learn English
@@5lim.0 better yet read blacks law dictionary and get back to me 😁
Literally the only reason sovereign citizen schtick ever works is because the cop doesn't want to listen to your nonsense. No sovereign citizen defense has ever worked in a courtroom.
Cali not a real state
Why argue it?you should of just got a paper that said motor scooter or video him telling u that.your waking them up I used to like your channel,but home u basically "snitched" out the whole loophole culture then televised it.smh I'm in NY we don't play with the dmv for scooters.thats gonna come back and bite ya in the ass.do u homie I'm out.
It sounds to me like you don’t know when to leave well enough alone, you have been indoctrinated way to deeply to come back from .
Llc lmfao foh
I saw a comment here about cars, etc, all using this 'Montana method', and how cops know.
If you ask me, the Montana plate is a red flag for cops, telling them "This guy is riding an illegal machine", causing them to instantly light you up.
To be honest, your attitude reeks of entitlement, as in, "It's got wheels and a motor. I have a right to register it".
I'm not saying that most of the world is wayyyyy behind on integrating small electrics into their transportation systems, and that they desperately need to catch up... but that doesn't mean that they should just close their eyes and allow any wheeled device on public roads, and at the moment, your bike doesn't qualify in California. So, don't be surprised if/when you get stopped, and maybe even lose it.
The chp told him they couldn't care less 😅
just leave california dude
Shouldn't cars be illegal to drive since they are capable of exceeding speeds much higher than are legal on majority of all roads ?
Electric motorcycles are sadly, bad.
Depending on the bike in question.
Most are overpriced yes. Even for gas bikes, most are overpriced for what you get.
I've been a motorcycle rider all my life. Never meet a bike worth more than 5k, ever. Best i've seen for Great Quality are Hondas. Kawasaki, Yamaha, Suski are next best Quality wise.
Define sadly, bad. I have OVER 40k miles on my 80+ mph modified LBX..
Define sadly, bad. I have OVER 40k miles on my 80+ mph modified LBX..
build your own bike, i built one and it goes 46mph for 1200$
15 min video for a 2 min answer
3 months of back and forth story condensed into 15 mins....