DIY MFT with Ikea Curtain Track [video 487]
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- In this video I build my #DIY #MFT -alike using #Ikea curtain-track and Birch plywood, amongst other things. Enjoy!
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Videos mentioned / of further interest
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All my tracksaw-related videos are in a playlist here - bit.ly/TracksawWorkshop
182 Festool MFT - • Festool MFT #182
183 MFT follow-on - • MFT follow up #183
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Featured/mentioned in this video:-
Dashboard bracket set - dashboardpws.com/products/gui...
Ikea Vidga triple track - www.ikea.com/gb/en/p/vidga-tr...
Rutlands T-Track - www.rutlands.com/sp+jig-makin...
Rutlands t-track accessory set ** NB: NOT M8 ** - www.rutlands.com/sp+t-track-h...
Ooznest V-slot 8020 - ooznest.co.uk/product/v-slot-...
KJN 8040 (10mm slot) - www.aluminium-profile.co.uk/4...
Because of the way the Festool catalogue works I can't link to the items directly, but the parts numbers are listed below, and if you search for those links should pop up for you to order them as spare parts.
497022 Support - this is the front rail support
497023 Support unit - this is the hinge part at the back of the MFT for the rail
472862 Profile - this is the MFT/3 aluminium profile
455242 Profile - this is the Festool 1080 aluminium profile
Other handy gear:-
Hultafors Talmeter tape measure - amzn.to/2pHwnbH (US: amzn.to/2oqLQc9)
Benchdogs rail square - bit.ly/bench-dogs
Benchdogs precision triangle/square - bit.ly/precisiontriangle
Festool PDC 18/4 - amzn.to/2s3J0eq (US: amzn.to/2tWUHEL)
Festool Domino - amzn.to/2pVSnMk (US: amzn.to/2o7E22Q)
Bessey DuoKlamp - amzn.to/3eDz1Ig (US: amzn.to/3w1s1dM)
Festool lever clamp - amzn.to/2pOohLD (US: amzn.to/2pnFZIM)
Festool MFT - amzn.to/2x49HHE (US: amzn.to/2J25aKy)
Festool Midi extractor - amzn.to/2tCIN3Q (US: amzn.to/2rKNIOx)
Festool TS55 Tracksaw - amzn.to/2pGvzDS (US: amzn.to/2oOgGhw)
Festool T18 drill/driver - amzn.to/2QAHpK1 (US: amzn.to/2RPuOCR)
Hultafors Talmeter tape measure - amzn.to/2pHwnbH (US: amzn.to/2oqLQc9)
Moldex 6810 in-ear defenders - amzn.to/2P2c5nP (US:amzn.to/2LgIsye)
Mirock square - etsy.me/2MC0RT
Mirock 500mm T-ruler - etsy.me/365P0KE
Bahco 6” combi square - amzn.to/2oumhX4 (US: amzn.to/2ouSg9k)
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Loved seeing two of my favourite woodworking TH-camrs, thanks for inviting Dave Stanton onto your channel.
Just recently came across this channel and even though I am finding myself having to rewatch and stop frequently to make sure I understand what you’re telling us, I really enjoy the channel and appreciate the straight-forward approach of your channel. You make a lot of sense and I know there are many of us that appreciate you sharing your knowledge and experience.
My goodness this one is jam packed with brilliant tips and tricks. A great culmination of references to previous videos too. I’m glad I keep putting off building my bench because with every video I learn something I want to incorporate.
Thanks! 👍
Ed, I feel exactly the same. I delayed doing mine because I want all the bits that can help me doing a better/easier job.
@@10MinuteWorkshop Found the way to give multiple likes 👍👍👍👍👍 and a few 👏👏
Great to see you talking with Dave. Nice when makers get together for a chat.
Thanks! It was good to have a chat with him! 👍
B&Q do an aluminium curtain track that has a flat base. It is called the “Good Home Thira”. It gives an alternative that may suit people for different applications.
I'm really enjoying this MFT series, and I'm learning a ton!
I thankyou for all your videos Peter. I discovered you a little while ago, and it turns out at the age of 38 I have a passion for woodwork. I'm learning all the time, so thankyou for all your knowledge sharing in your videos.
Thank you! 🙌👍
I started watching Dave Stainton and yourself at the same time, both if you have been so helpful over the years. About to move to a new house and workshop so lots of food for thought.
I absolutely love this channel!!! You are very considerate of time and still manage to explain everything perfectly!
Thank you! 👍
Love seeing Dave!
I’m looking forward to a video of Peter cutting a hole in the wall to accommodate the swing end of the track. He could line said hole with a beautiful custom, hand-wrought aluminium or copper or aluminum…
Looking forward to you making a rail hinge, inspiring stuff as always,thank you for sharing
taking my hat off to this bench and to your plentiful of great hacks that make it truly yours
I'll surely use a few of your ideas in the near future
now THIS is the sort of video which makes Peter literally the best DIYer content creator on youtube!!!!!
Thank you! 🙌👍
IKEA hacks , love these!
Wow really enjoying your video and then comes along Dave Stanton. I really enjoy watching the both of you. Keep up the great work
Haha, thanks! 👍🙌
Got the black stain works a treat done my hair as well cheap as chips my wife didn't recognize me I'm drifting in and out I'm the new lodger its changed my life all over a mft table yipppeeeeee
I’m so glad I found your channel! I’ve been watching for an hour already 😅
Thanks, and welcome! 🙌
Such great ideas Peter. Time. And hindsight have allowed you to develope an amazing and flexible worktop
Thanks Kevin! 👍
I've watched your channel as well as Dave Stanton's for years, voraciously. Top blokes, both of you.
Thank you! Dave’s a smart guy, great channel! 👍👍
Looking forward to the DIY hinge!!!
Excellent as always. Must find a way to mount that Benchdog fence to the back of my MFT, or take another look at the Dashboard fence.
Peter's videos are the best out there!
Thank you! 🙌👍
Thanks for yet another great video! I’m always looking forward to what you’ve come up with.
It was a nice surprise to watch your chat with Dave, i also enjoy his videos.
I had an MFT3 a few years ago, but I sold it as I found it too wobly to use in a stationary setup. After watching this video I might consider building one based on some of your ideas. I live in Denmark where replacement Festool table tops (or similar) is not that common, so I’d love to see a video showing how to make the top without an LR32 rail of the Parf system.
Thanks again for sharing 👍
I always enjoy you videos… amazing craftsmanship..
Years ago I car pooled with a gentleman that I now realize was a master wood worker. His projects almost always required jig work etc. now that I am doing wood work I appreciate this aspect of the hobby.
I’m waiting on a wood working bench from Sweden and plan on building a MFT top to use with it, perhaps sit on top. Your work on the MFT is providing insight. Thanks
Great video! Looking forward to see it in use in future projects
Well done Peter. Love the extension shelf!
Thanks Ken! 👍
Thank you so much for your interesting videos. This has inspired me to make my own 'low cost' MFT with a purchased top and IKEA rails.
So many great ideas condensed in this video. 👍 Thank you very much.
I love your MFT!
Thank you! 👍
Awesome build Peter! The bench extension on the t-track is brilliant. Thanks again for top notch content.
Thanks! 👍
Been binge watching your videos. Love what you do.
Thank you! 🙌👍
Thank you.
I made my mft top with a drill press and a 20mm Forster bit for a template, and then drilling on the top itself with a Bosch corded drill and two bench dogs for alignment. It's tedious and tiring work, but the end result is pretty nice.
One of the most thoughtful designs for a small DIY bench that can have significant modularity and yet is also efficient in function. Perhaps a difference between refined British design and American "go big" philosophy! I'm Australian btw haha.
This was an awesome video. I am in the process of making my own version of a MFT top and have many of the same features as yours, including the Benchdogs fence. I have been struggling with making a rail hinge, therefore I am looking forward to when you create a video showing want you have come up with. Please don't wait too long to create it. I think it would be something many of your viewers would be interested in.
I certainly am.
Peter excellent design and execution and great to see Dave Stanton on the show I enjoy his channel as well.
Thank you! 👍
Osmo is a nice finishing wardwax oil finish.
Love this build, solves all the limitations of the standard top. The new hinge is totally worth it. I'd be tempted to cut a 10 cm deep slot in the wall to reduce the gap at the back
Thanks! Any cut in the wall will muck up the soundproofing I put in there. 🤷♂️ 👍
Looks great. We'll worth the effort and investment. 🤘
Thanks! 👍
Great video
Hi Peter. I am an avid follower of your content. This last two videos are made for me as I am planning a portable MFT type of bench as my workshop is very small and, I will probably use it outside more than in !! It is a minefield regarding extrusion and compatability, I thank you for all of your tips and tricks, I feel I can trust you, and as a complete amateur this is hugely helpful to me. Again, thank you for your content, I think a Patreon membership is needed now !!
Thanks Paul! And you'd be very welcome should you choose that route! 🙌 👍
Great video - thanks for sharing and love it.
Would love a video on constructing a cheaper MFT. Keep up the great videos.
Coming soon!
Looks very nice Peter and I agree the price is irrelevant when custom building, it's as you want it
Hello Peter , have a nice day 😎🙋♂️
I would LOVE a low cost DIY MFT top build 😊
Keep up the great work! 👍😉
Hello Yoel, I'm a 10 minute fan too. I used a standard off the shelf MFT top as a template to scale up to almost a full 8x4 bench top, using some dogs and a router. I still have the MFT to use as a template for each successive project. I hope I don't upset Peter by including my link for you th-cam.com/video/z7NJc5m_Ouw/w-d-xo.html
@@AMBuilds Hi, I can't really do that because I can't get MFT tops in my country, so it's all jigs for me.
You built a very clever solution, indeed. I'm actually planning my variant of a modular MFT. I'd love adding something like your front extension. As a hobbyist I will not invest in rail hinges, although I find them very useful.
Definitely interested in a video of any alternative mft top.Top notch videos .
As Always Peter , top shelf content , MFT looks awesome and you hit the nail on the head “ it’s suits your needs “ over down here in Oz , the Festool MFT 3 is selling for $1525 , and on top of that you need the plunge saw at another cost of about $1100 give or take some change , total about $2625 , for the serious woodworker it’s a small investment, for a hack like myself it’s just a dream
The Bosch saw is better value in Australia, one of the few products that is almost cheaper here than EU/UK or US.
Love your work 👍
Waiting avidly for the DIY rail hinge solution!
Thank you
I’m super interested in this. I want an MFT table but I also like the more substantial bench you’ve made.
I’d love to see you interview DashBoard creator Rob Schumacher. I just purchased and set up their system in my garage shop and it is brilliantly designed, engineered and manufactured. His video tutorials are marketing genius, but maybe you could get him to step outside that character. Maybe not though. Cheers!
Look great! Definitely better than a standard MFT.
wow. MFT tops are much more affordable in Britin. the only ones i can find outside of festool are about 80 pounds, but i have the parf system to make my own.
Well done Peter you got there and it really was worth the wait, just an excellent result, love the front extension idea and will certainly incorporate it in mine. Your point is well made about the rear overhang as I had decided early on I needed to be able get 360 access around my work flow and had the room, so using the Festool front and rear hinge suited me better. I love the taper lock idea as well. Well done mate👍
Thanks! 👍
Thanks Peter, you have given me the excuse to pop into IKEA for some meatballs with chips and gravy.
Like we need an excuse for a visit to Ikea! 😱 😂 👍
Good work there. If I ever get to build a bigger shop that has room for a dedicated wordwork bench I might well look at that.
Awesome build and insights, Peter! I'd love to see a cheaper alternative for making MFT style holes. The Parf guide system is awesome, but a lot of money for an occasional bench top replacement every couple years.
I’d love to see a cheaper diy mft top video! I’m currently making one!
You could cut a large notch out of the old doorway behind the bench, then you could get the bench closer to the wall with space for the hinge overhang at the back.
I could; and I would also kiss goodbye to all the soundproofing I put in there, if I did that... 🤷♂️
Wonderful build demonstrating a knowledge of the limitations of the original and a long pondered set of custom/bespoke additions. Love it. The thrifty and waste not want not side of me wonders if a spare mft now languishes in the side room awaiting a new owner? Its provenance alone would add to my inspiration!
Thanks! I’m thinking a ‘pimp my MFT’ series! 😂😂
Yes, a DIY rail hinge would be great! I'm looking at making one in the near future. The Dashboard one is the cat's pajamas as far as I can tell, but pricey. But probably worth it. But I wanna try my hand first.
Nice looking bench. I love the black top. So cool. Looking to source some colored mr mdf myself. But may just stain some.
Nice to see Dave in your video. I'm already subscribed to his channel. And, yes, great guy. Great ideas from him.
Thanks for the video!
Thank you! My previous bench tops were just stained tbh, and they worked out pretty well. 👍👍
Finalmente uma bancada de trabalho nova 😁
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Brilliant Peter👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍😎😎😎
Cheers Alan! 👍
Brilliant
Thank you!
Great vid as always Peter. I have moved to a fifth floor flat ( with a beautiful view) but I miss my workshop at my previous Bungalow.Especially selling all of my equipment. But life moves on. 👍
Hi Peter, amazing Build and amazing video as usual, so much information and so much to take in 😁 will have to watch 3 or 4 times to grasp it all. Good to see Dave Stanton dropping in, I follow him and watch his videos occasionally. Unfortunately your video came out just as the Woman's Curling team were starting their Semi Final battle so had one eye on that and one eye on your video 😁 Great MFT Bench and might incorporate some of the features in the new long bench I'm currently building 😁. Have a great Weekend.
Thanks Colin! 👍👍
Scott Brown should be watching this bombardment of ideas!!! talk about drinking from a fire hose!!!
Hi Peter, many thanks for yet another great video, I would also love to see your ideas for a diy mft top and hinge system.
Thanks, and noted! 👍
I will second that notion Peter! I also need a DIY rail hinge solution! Great video buddy keep up the good work!
Thanks Peter...
Totally random thought.. What about cutting a recess into the wall to consume some of the hinge overhang? Enabling the bench to be pushed closer to the wall.
If I remember from a while ago, that section of wall you framed and clad.
Thanks! That wall’s full of soundproofing - not a great idea to cut it open unfortunately! 👍
Yes please. a video for a diy mft top
Great video Peter, I enjoyed it very much. A little too late for me, as I have just built my more basic version with a pre-made top. However, the idea of a future video on creating a top more cheaply than using the available proprietary tools, would I think be very useful. The reason, would not be to create a full MFT, since as you say these are very competitively priced, but to have a methodology to create small add-on panels, or panels for specific purposes.
Awesome video mate bit late watching as work has been mental with the storm. Really like the style your going with for the shop. When I move to a new space later this year I'll definitely be building a 10 min workshop mft Pete
Cheers Dan! 🙌👍👍
Great content as always. I’m getting excited about a new workshop plan and an MFT solution might have to feature. I made a black MDF topped workbench and found Osmo to be a really decent finish although it did need a few coats! Nothing sticks to it and it looks good too!
Sounds great! Thanks!
Benchdogs annouced a weekago they are working on a hinge system, be interesting to see what they come up with.
Yes, looks fantastic, but very much aimed at MFT top or MFT slab users. 👍
Peter, do you think that Benchdogs hinge might work on a version of your portable bench?
when you buy a commodity mft top you can use that as a template to make more. i made a couple of extra smaller ones i use for other bits.
Well Peter, I am surely waiting for a DIY hinge solution! I got myself an MFT top with an epoxy toplayer, and I would like to add a hinged rail to it. I know mr. Bisch Basch Bosch made something, but I can't figure out how he made it...
Once again my oil won. Greeting from Copenhagen 🇩🇰
Thank you! And thank you for the oil! 😂👍👍
That looks so good that I'm beginning to suffer from MFT envy!
I've always liked dark coloured worktops on a bench, but I'm too tight-fisted to fork out for valcromat. I use MR MDF and stain it with a couple of coats of Liberon ebony spirit stain, followed by 2 or 3 coats of danish oil on both sides. Then I machine the dog holes with a jig from RS CNC. This seemed the most economical method because it uses a router, 30mm guide bush and 1/2 inch cutter which I already had (although I did splurge on a Whiteside upcut spiral bit later on). Final process is to chamfer the dog holes with the UJK hand cutter, and paint the edge with lime green paint before cutting a chamfer around that. I know that sounds a bit sad, but it does look good!
If anybody follows this method, use a trend 30mm guide bush - initially I tried a Dewalt guide bush in my favourite DW622 and the result was sloppier than a bowl of soup - using the trend bush gives a perfect piston fit.
Thanks David! I used wood dye on my previous benches and it looked fine! 👍
The DIY rail hinge would be of grat interest! Especially if there is no welding involved...
Great video. Love the black worktop. Yes the hinge system for the track looks great and I am awaiting delivery. I have seen on Festool users sight a home built set. I note that Benchdoguk have mentioned something coming up soon?
Its great to see UK development, it will save import duties, a must to consider should they reach the market. Looking forward.
Took a set of Dave Stantons Bench plans, a couple of years ago. Great for restricted space, table top use..
Thanks! Yes, Benchdogs have a hinge coming that’ll suit folks using an MFT top or slab, so great for guys on site working off trestles. Look forward to it. 👍👍
The issue with following you and many other influencers is that you get too many solutions to your issues :D
I now have a Workbee CNC (1500x1500) but also the Parf Guide mkII. Benchdog fence+dogs+square+parallel guide as well as the UJK clips.
Despite this you got me going out buying a IKEA rail and thinking about Dashboard hinge :D A workshop filled with equipment.
Dear Peter - what a nice video again. I had a laugh on the OCD remark - because you made it seconds after I wondered whether the front and rear T tracks would be aligned :-).
I do use a UJK Parf Mk II Guide System to make the holes in my table tops - that makes it easy to make those in a perfectly 90 degrees aligned grid. Not cheap, but a pleasure to work with.
And the remark on the protruding rear hinge on the table for the guide rail... that has been the reason for me not to use a guide rail on a hinge any more. And your remark on the make of the Festool hinge at the end of your video - I cannot agree more. But - it serves its purpose for me. Instead I do have a separate replacable table top now, which I use for cutting in many locations - so it is a bit of a trench warfare scenery that one really. But I might change that in the future - your replace-able cut inlay does appeal me - and when thouching on the topic of OCD... well you will understand.
K reg Wino
Thanks Wino! Yes, it's tricky, matching up two different extrusions; If I matched the front t-track to the middle slot in the Ikea curtain track, then it's quite low, nut match the top clot in the curtain track and it's quite high - too high to be able to drop the front rail support down completely out of the way. 🤷♂️ It's a compromise. 👍
Q: late to this, in Ireland mfts don't seem to be easily bought. Thoughts or ideas on a super budget mft style take top to allow repeatable cuts with a track on a hinge. Have basic router and track saw, drill. Don't think I need a full perfect mft just like the idea of the dogs and the track on a rail.
Thanks for this mind opening video. Since you build it 3 month ago, how is IKEA curtain rail working?
Thanks! IKEA curtain track is working out just fine. 👍👍
I would sure love if you could come up with a way to turn a Makita track into an LR32 track. Perhaps a way with a shop made router guide/pin?!?!
It’s on my list! 👍
This is great to hear. I need to investigate to see if you’ve gotten back around to this. Across the pond, the Makita guide rails are the much more financially sane choice!
Nice work I would be interested in a cheaper MFT top just an idea could you not chip a bit out the wall to allow for the hinge
Excellent work there. A solution to the hinge issue is to just chisel a brick out the wall behind surely?
Thanks! Wall's full of soundproofing - you *really* don't want to be cutting into that! 👍
Cut! Cut! Cut,
Great video as usual, thanks v much. As you asked, I’d be interested in a cheapo option MFT and perhaps also to include some of the very basics (ie why is a front test needed with a hinge and alternatives like a square and dogs?)
Thanks! If you check out this video - Square Cuts: MFT or Rail Square? th-cam.com/video/3C8XSWliOys/w-d-xo.html - you’ll get a lot of the basic questions answered. As for why a front rail support, it’s simply that there’s too much potential flex in a rail that’s over a metre long to keep it accurate; having a front rail support - or referencing off eg a benchdog - keeps it true. 👍👍
Did you make a video on how you fittedtge hinged track rail in detail ?
Hi Peter:
Great video as always.
Can you please provide a link to the actual manufacturer of the colour board you are using? I can't seem to find it.
Thanx
looking at the thumb nail to the video I thought you were making a panel saw type hanging from the curtain track 🤣
😂😂 I’d watch that!
Great video!
I am very curious on the diy hinge and support.
Could you just cut off the long part of your hinge so that you could push the bench further towards the wall?
Thanks! And no, unfortunately not - if you do that you’d lose one of the guiderail mounting bolts. 😱👍
would love to hear about the cheaper options for making mft top
You have a wooden panel behind the hinge area, could you not just cut a hole for the back part of the rail to swing up into? Then the bench could move back towards the wall.
I spent a long time getting soundproofing into that wall, and cutting holes in it would muck that up. 👍
I say, muck away. It would make for such great content. The script writes itself - out-of-the-box thinking… literally!
Everybody works in slightly or greatly different ways. What Peter has made of a pretty limiting space is excellent and people will be able to take bits most or all of it. To newcomers to this channel or to woodworking, I can’t recommend Peter’s channel enough, especially for panel work.
My tip for the top is designed for least cost. I’ve already got an MFT style top which is over 10 years old. It needs replacing very soon and has lasted so long (turned over once about 5 years) because I refuse to use it as a sacrificial top - when I cut on it, I use scraps of 6mm underneath. So, I will be using my existing MFT as a template for the new one. Place old on top of new; drill, say 15mm holes, through the existing holes through the new; then a sharp template router bit to copy the holes; finish off with a small chamfer bit.
If you don’t have an existing MFT to copy, then I would very carefully make a small template, say 6 holes by 3 holes. Then use that as the template on your full sized sheet by using dogs to anchor 2 or preferably 3 template holes and then drill/rout the rest.
As I say, I’ve had mine 10 years or so and there are still many holes that I have never used. The lesson from that for me is that I don’t to have all the holes in the centre of the top.