20 mm holes in an accurate 90 degree pattern with a drill how to dave stanton woodworking projects
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I have had feedback from a person informing me that he was getting better results when drilling the pilot hole right the way through. This gave the forstner bit an easier run as the guide spur at the tip of the forstner doesn't actually cut. Thanks for that info!
why is it that Australia's Carbatec do not suply the 2 20mm dogs in the UJK kit
@@southx8 Have you confirmed they don't, or is it simply not listed in the description? I've checked with 2 North America retailers, both of which don't _describe_ the dogs coming in the set, and they said the description was just straight from the distributor, but that yes, the two dogs are included, as they are required for the latter holes, once some have been drilled out. My understanding is the kit is complete, and you only REQUIRE a drill and your wood piece to complete it (but a vacuum is highly recommended, and clamps to hold the rulers down help with accuracy).
Once drilled, you'll want more dogs to make good use of the layout pattern, or clamps as David demonstrated in the intro of the video. But I'm told the kit itself, as sold by all retailers, contains all parts and bits required to drill the hole system in an appropriate board, using your drill.
Hi David, finally a fella whom can speak properly and use metric which we can all easily understand. Well done and thank you.
My pleasure Ivan Horne !
Too right!
I bought the Parf Guide System when they first came out from Axminster, before they were available at Lee Valley. I built an assembly table and can make a 30" cut between the Parf Dogs. This system, combined with other Festool systems, such as the Domino, have literally changed the way I do woodworking. My table saw is accurate, but not as accurate as this system due to the myriad reasons that table saws can require adjustments, which, though easy to resolve, are simply not necessary when making a 90 degree cut with the Parf Guide System. A real time saver, and deadly accurate. Fantastic for cabinetry, and equally great for the task of making other pieces. Thank you for the demonstration, Dave. Another great video!
Thanks Bill.
I did not build this exact table but I’m here to tell you, the Parf guide system is freakin awesome! I usually make the slightest error in measuring but this thing doesn’t let you. When done using it, everything is absolutely perfect. Really high quality parts. Trust me if you think you can’t, if this weekend warrior can, you can. I sound like a damn commercial. And that’s not all, if you buy one now.......
It does the job for me nfial
What a bloody clever system and the birth of the Stanton bench it would seem! Simple, clever and well engineered.
Yes, through this project I got it stuck in my head I could make something that anyone could use even if they didn't have a dedicated space for woodwork.
Your teaching methode for a simple soul as me is better as Peter do ......Loved it , so thank you:)
Wow, thank you!
Dude! Your timing is perfect.
We are building a new worktable and were debating how best to get the dog holes to work more precisely.
You just made ALL the difference. Bless you man. AND....bless Mr. Parfitt for his design!
Well, there you go! Thanks for watching.
Hi Dave - Nice meeting you at Carbatec. I made some progress on your great benchtop (pilot holes drilled and board sanded and waxed), but then ran into a minor snag. The drill bit for the 20mm dog holes that came with my Parf Guide System is a 10mm straight shaft borer bit so it won't fit in my CXS drill since it is too large for the normal chuck and doesn't have the Centrotec fitting. I contacted Axminster and they said: "We have sent the correct drill bit to you as there is only one that is supplied with the Parf Guide System." It was also missing the stop collar, which I think they will send to me. Hopefully, I'll be able to finish the project when I return from a quick trip to the US. Cheers and thanks, Chris
Hopefully the 2 items will arrive quickly for you! Send some pictures to me when you have finished the bench, love to see them!
Hello from the UK Absolutely clear description of how its done Thank you
You are very welcome
Oh - this video is perfect. I am building a new assembly table and was racking my brain on how to ensure I get the dog holes perfect. Great Job!
Thanks Terry. Send me some pics when you are done.
Maybe true. I have a piece of said peg board in my shop that has at least 1 hole that is off by a couple of mm! I haven't checked all the rest of the holes yet, but let's just say that the peg boards offer no guarantee of accuracy.
That said, the peg board method can be a good one, and in fact it can be bored out with a 20mm forstner bit so as to be Festool compatible, while at the same time being laid out on an SAE grid. This is a tough decision to make nowadays, because much of the sheet goods are now being produced in metric thicknesses/SAE length & width. Metric is so much easier to deal with, so I wish we could get the nominal lumber in metric and then be done with the idiocy of base-16(8) SAE.
Hi Dave. I have been thinking about a top with dog holes but could think of no way to drill them accurately. In fact I was going to ask the group for advice but you have answered the question!! Buying one between 2 or 3 like-minded woodworkers would seem like a good idea since it is not a tool one would use every day.
Smart thinking Greg!
How about renting? You could buy the kit, use it and then rent it out several times to pay for it. With the cost at around $250 it would seem a rental at $75 a few times would work. Any rentals after that would be profit.
Old thread I know, but why not do two tops at once and stack them? Same drilling, backup top in reserve. Just a thought. Good on ya, Dave!
This is so cool. My shops lack of space just got plenty large enough for anything I will need to do. Thanks so much for the information. Great job!
My pleasure Jim!
Dave, I have purchased a number of things from Axminster in the past and they have been reliable so far. Peter Parfitt has his own TH-cam channel. New Brit Workshop. I think he is a bit of a perfectionist and a Festool nut (like the rest of us)
They are pretty good as far as a brand is concerned Stephen.
You can order online and VAT is automatically deducted but freight is subject to a separate quote from them. From 1 July next year GST will be added to all purchases from overseas suppliers so that's a good excuse to buy stuff in the next 10 months.
Thanks for the info Stephen.
Thanks for the infomercial Stephen, much appreciated...
Clever idea with the vacuum tube support.
Thanks TL Tester!
Can you provide details on your headgear - specifically the helmet with the built-in filter/blower?
Just found a CNC made 30mm thick top 900mm x 600mm with 19mm holes, 3" apart, guaranteed square for $215 AUD. The Parf system including the MDF costs close to $300 and you still have to drill 2 lots of holes making it poor value in time, money and effort and while it does look fun to use, very customisable and a very cleverly deigned system this is one product I wont be buying and I have bought many products based on your videos. Where it might become better value is if you see yourself making more than one top, for example, a mobile bench or an assembly table as well as the main bench or you see yourself replacing it in a few years then fair enough but as a one off product I see better value alternatives
Despite this, I still love your videos, Dave
Hi John. Thanks for the honest comment! There are a few things I would like to point out. 19mm holes will be fine to use 3/4" dogs but not 20mm dogs. 30 mm is way too deep for the lever clamps to make a turn through and so these will not be able to be used. Also, most dogs that have a threaded section in the base need an 8mm bolt to secure them from underneath. Your board is 12 mm thicker than mine and the bolts may not reach. The board is 900 x 600 which is not a large area. I found that 1200 x 600 works very well but at times I would like it to be a bit bigger. As you say, if you want to do a few then the parf guide system is value. The other thing I find is the joy in making it yourself. Please give me some feedback of how your new board works for you.
Thanks for the reply Dave. A few points ... There are a good variety of good quality 3/4" dogs so not having 20mm holes isn't a problem. You can even make your own. Kreg has a base clamp, used with their hold down clamps, you can use on any thickness, only limited by the size of your bolt. Larger CNC tables are available for around $300. There are other companies that make dogs, hold downs, in line clamps etc etc that would suit 30mm tops with 3/4" holes. So 30mm isn't a restriction other than weight if you need it to be portable.
Being able to have any size top with holes anywhere you choose is where the Parf system shines. I also take your point about making it yourself. It really does look like fun and being a retired Maths teacher using Pythagoras again would be a buzz for me. I can hear my old students saying "we'll never use this again" . I'd love to show them this system. I haven't completely decided on buying the pre drilled CNC top yet but it still seems like better value
I would love to hear how all of this goes for you John.
Dave I once said I hate you because your videos are so good and your enthusiasm so high that they suck me every time. I've bought Jessem stock table saw and router guides, mitreset etc etc etc based on your videos. I now hate you even more. I've just ordered the UJK parf guide and John's yellowbush starter pack dogs. While I did consider buying a ready made CNC top I realised that I want at least two tops including a small portable one, then this guide becomes better value. Also, with this system I can make some rectangular and L shaped dogs/stops perfect for pocket hole assembly which I do a lot of. So STOP MAKING GREAT VIDEOS!!! They're killing my bank balance.
John Barr
I think the system is for pros, who get through worktops and want an affordable way to replace or customise them.
Great video Dave. One day I'll get round to this! A couple of things...maybe a link to a short video explaining how the 3-4-5 principle works for the uninitiated? Also maybe clamp 2 boards together and drill 2 at once instead of going through the process twice, then you've got a second bench top or one to keep in storage.
I've watched a lot of Peter's excellent video's over the years. He's a nice guy and does a very professional job.
I guess I could do a Pythagoras video. Re doing 2 in one hit there is a snag. Any error of the drill leaning at all by the user would be amplified in the second board. I have used the top board as a template to create other units but like to keep the jig to create the "master". Thanks for watching Graham!
Good point. How about going through the first board with the fine drill and just marking the second board with the point? It would save a lot of set up time for the second board.
The 3-4-5 is so easy but sounds complicated unless explained.
The edit facility seems to have disappeared for the comments. Love the extraction. Simple but effective.
Oh, to be able to drown in the bright green cool aide. Even without being able to afford all the Festool, this is a great system. Great instruction video David. I hope to be able to afford this system when it comes time to set up the workshop table. Cheers
Time is your friend in the festool stakes AKA Nathan. I bought my first festool at the age of 55. The system is excellent!
Very cool dust collection box!! Making one today.
Works a treat!!
I'm glad I came across your video. I love the MFT table system. I'm looking forward to making my own custom sizes. Thank you.
Thanks for watching and I hope your table turns out great!
Gday Dave, your professionalism and work methods are incredible, you would be a great teacher in the industry, your knowledge is great, wish you had the time to do more building videos, cheers mate
Thanks Ron. If only we all had more time!
Dave, great idea with the dog knobs to ease them in and out... thanks.
The tolerances are so tight if you warm up in your hand a pin, it's hard to push it through the round Block - lol.
Brilliant engineering / design 👌🏼😎
I have SOOOOO got to thank you for this video, I was watching it in bed with the misses and she noticed you all dressed up and asked if working with MDF was really that bad for you, so of course I said it was really bad stuff, to which she woke up thgis morning and told me to order a good Dust Extraction system from Axminster, Cheers mate....
Well, all I can say is that she is a smart lady and obviously wants you to hang around a bit longer!
David Stanton only because she wants me that finish the house before I’m dead, no love involved she a selfish bitch like that, ha ha...
Wow, that's harsh!
I notice on the Axminster site that you can add a couple of Veritas dogs and rail clips to make it a really versatile system. Like your vacuum setup. When I made my assembly table and drilled the 20mm holes it was virtually impossible to maintain accuracy. I think I'll have to wait until my Man Account" has built up a bit more before I go a-spending.
Stephen, your man account needs a bit of a release!
I ordered the works from Lee Valley before the video was half over. Very cool.
Thanks!
Mr Stanton, I'm so envious of your tools. I only have 1 functioning arm/leg, and it greatly limits tools I can use. On being a drill press... until I discovered the Bosch Drill press on one of your videos, and researched it for a while, and decided to get one... except I didn't know they can't be used in America.
So my drill press still stays on one speed 24/7 because changing the belt location with one hand is a nightmare.
Leo with Hand-I-Craft has helped a lot with his solo armed adventures. But he gets tools from UK/EU. The tools for the America market are NOT friendly for disabled unless you are extremely wealthy. (Table saws are too dangerous to use, unless you can afford a few thousand on a SawStop.
So if you, or anyone reading this know of a similar drill press to the Bosch, that can be used here in the USA, (and isn't an overpriced $1200 machine) I'd love to hear about it. (I am incapable of making a digital press setup due to my 🧠not grasping it in any way... vfd's etc.)
I've tried all the "jig for drilling straight holes" (but to make them, you need to drill a straight hole. Lol ). And I tried "drill guides, but they're not an option either.
(And because ppl might aak: The bosch advantages for my disability go beyond the digital aspect. It's the weight, the design of table/base, and the wheel handle. If curious, snd you have a regular drill press, try doing the things they need to use, with 1 hand. Then look at the Bosch.
Plus... it's a Bosch !!! I love my other bosch tools but that drill press is next level, and only $400ish US dollars!!!)
So thanks for the great videos. I'll keep trying at this woodworking thing... I got a ton of tools/clamps and nothing better to do. So I'll keep trying.)
Hi MrCarter'sRods! Great to hear from you and your own needs. I am not familiar with the drills available in the States as I am in Australia which is also 240 volt. But, you can always have an electrician create a 240 volt outlet for you in your home. Maybe that would help?
@@DavidStanton yeah, I'm considering that. It's probably a good idea to up my home amperage, so I can have him do that for a bit extra. I know NOTHING about electric. And too many concussions and illness have limited parts of my brain... but I still got my looks. Hahaa.
Thanks for the reply. I watched so much last week that my wife said I was picking up your "accent" lol. (But I have been having a lot of movies from New Zealand playing in background for my dog lol.)
So thanks again, and I'm really hoping to get drill press going. I'm making a lot of router jigs (your stream about T-track is my favorite).
Stay safe.
Dave mate you have just solved my problems fab videos going to try this out my self mate
Glad to have helped Brian! Share the videos around, maybe someone else can get an answer?
Excellent Tutorial!! Loved watching this!
Thanks Jack!
What is the make and model of your full face respirator? I really appreciate the time and detail you include in your videos. I enjoy and learn a lot every time I view one. Great Job and Thank You, David!
Thanks Enszarc Studios! Mine isn't available any more but the same one is made by Trend. Available here. www.carbatec.com.au/airshield-pro-respirator?aff=3
@@DavidStanton Thanks much for the information and appreciate the link. :-)
Nice video. One question. Does not drilling 3 mm holes thru the 3mm hole in the steel rule , wear out the steel rule hole so that after a few holes it may not be that accurate since it has become a little oversized?
Thankyou vvjkumar! There is a newer parf guide since I created this video that addresses that concern. Although, it wasn't an issue for me.
Lee Valley Tools now carries these as well as the small and large Parf Dogs. I ordered from Britain (Axminster Tools) who were also easy to deal with.
Pretty awesome system. I’m more interested in that helmet contraption you’re wearing though.😊
I really enjoy your videos! Your explanations are thorough and entertaining. Keep up the great work!
Thanks Beetle!
First time on your channel, it's like breeze!
Welcome!
Peter is a genius. Thank you Dave for the video.
Hi Dave. Could not help notice a small optimisation for the next time you make a top. When drilling the 3mm pilot holes have a go at lifting the bushing and drill in unison and not removing the bit entirely from the bushing.. It seems a reasonable portion of the time around the 7 minute mark is just getting the bit back into the bushing with tight tolerances. Given I have never actually used one, this is the most unqualified advice you will receive today. Thanks for the content as always.
Thanks for the idea Terrence! I pull the drill out of the guide block to clear the flutes in the drill, otherwise you will get some burning as the flutes clog and stop extraction of the waste. Never mind, I always love to hear another way to stream line a method!!
Thank you kindly for the informative video! I just ordered the UJK Technology Parf Mk II Guide System, along with a few accessories, from Axminster. I look forward to giving my hand a go at it.
Thanks for a terrific video!
I am new to all things woodworking and on a huge learning curve, but I just bought a Festool track saw and am now excited to create an MFT style bench top as my first "real" project.
I'm in the US and a little confused about the 20mm vs 3/4" diameter issue that you mention at the beginning of the video (from an accessory perspective mostly).
Do dogs, stops, clamps, etc. typically come in the 3/4" diameter in the US rather than 20mm?
It seems like 20mm is what I always see on the various product websites as I'm researching.
I'm totally fine making 20mm holes on 96mm centers if the accessories I will purchase in the US are 20mm. Or, would that be problematic for me in the US?
I just don't won't to wind up with an inconsistency after the fact and am unsure what I should be doing to ensure that I don’t.
Should I be creating a tabletop with 3/4" dog holes on some measure of inches on center in the US?
Hope someone can clarify for me. 🙂
Thanks!
Make 2 different tops if you want to or just go with 20mm holes. Most things these days will be 20mm dia.
Can you direct me to a link for those "knobs" that are attached to the dogs?
I'm just an enthusiast who is amazed with woodworking skills and wonderful ideas and solutions presented by people like you. Thank you for sharing your tips with the rest of the world! I find them very useful, and I hope that some day soon I'll be able to get some of those wonderful tools, and do some small jobs for my home and myself. Have you considered using a combination of LR 32 system and a TSO GR 16 with the router for this task? I think it could be a winning combination for drilling 20 mm holes in an accurate 90 degree pattern. Best regards from Novi Sad, Serbia.
Hi Borislav. Thanks for the compliments! I think your suggestion is a good idea and would be pretty accurate but not as accurate as this system. The other thing is the cost of this system is way less than the LR-32.
I just clicked on the link a couple of years late. Says only available in USA not Australia. Went to Carbatec site not available for another month but the stores are closed in Melbourne any way due to Covid. Will Cost $399 plus shipping as well I guess. Be easier to order a ready made stanton bench kit off you. How much would shipping of a MDF table be to Melbourne would you think. Heaps I guess as would be very heavy.
Hi Bruce Mccready! I charge $95 for packaging and courier. It takes around 1.5 hours to pack 1 bench for transport.
i know, that 96 mm is used in the furniture industrie - but what does it help me, that my dog holes are spaced in this way instead of 100 millimeters ? wouldn´t that be easier ?
What make are those little drills, so handy - can I buy in UK
Yes, Axminster tools have them
Hi Dave
Noel from the Adelaide store. Now I understand the Parf guide system. Thanks
Hi Dave, Thanks for the video. I have had this set in the UK for the past year and find so so accurate. Even to the extent that I had to replace my bog-standard framing square with an Empire framing square as it was not accurate enough to test long cuts and to test the hole layout with the dogs. Anyhow, long story short, used properly, it will likely be more accurate than most of the layout tools you may already own.
Thanks Deane! I knew it was the bees knees before I tried it for myself. I am sure Peter is a very happy man to have made this accuracy so affordable for people who have bare minimum power tools.
I bought a mk II system and I was wondering if it would work on an old counter top with laminate on it. I love how it has worked for me on my pine bench top. thanks for the video.
Sounds like a plan Robert Wilson, should be fine.
David
Thanks so much. Going outside to my "shop" to build a bench hook.
Good on you Tom!
Nice tip about attaching the knobs!
Thanks for the video, just found your channel, though I made my top a couple of days ago using this same system, I concur with the accuracy, the tolerances are so tight it's unbelievable, only difference I did to the way you did it was I'd bought a set of the long and short Parf dogs and used the long ones in the jig, that way I didn't need handles as the shaft of the long dog is plenty to hold on to.
Keep up the good work, I am now duly subscribed to your channel
Thanks Guto! Who would have thought a piece of plywood could be turned into something so useful?
Very nice system. Now someone needs to make a setup for the USA with 3/4" spacing!
Give it time, it should happen.
Just man up and go metric 😆😆
Great video again Dave. Is the reason for choosing 18mm ply over MDF is because you think the dog holes will last longer if done in lpy?
Yes Leigh. The ply holds onto the brass inserts better as well.
Great tutorial Dave. I have seen Peter's video and yours is an excellent follow up.
Regards
Mike B
Thanks Mike!
excellent love the vac box nice idea. keep safe and have a great day thanks for the
video.
Thanks Charlie. The vac box was someone else's idea but I did tweak it a fair bit.
Charlie King yes I'm going to make a vac box also great idea!
Any more details on the vac box. Plans etc?
Love this, been so keen to figure out how to make one myself accurately and had no idea this system was available! Cheers Dave! What type wax would you recommend for mdf? Never had any experience in putting a finish on mdf other than paint
Have a look at the livestream I did this week, I go through it a bit there.
David Stanton sweet will do!!
Simple and elegant.
I love my Parf Dogs, have two of the small ones. Use them at the opposite end of veritas wonder dog clamps.
Can you send me a picture? davestantonfans@gmail.com
Sure thing Dave!
Wow, that is a dental surgery right there!!
Can the rest of us have a look too?
I will be showing on the next live stream.
Nicely presented once again Dave.
Great product. Love your enthusiasm.
However, was quoted £42 (AU$70) to ship to Australia. Freight from U.K. To Australia is always outrageous.
Thanks Howard. Hopefully someone local will stock it soon.
all of the your information is great ,and thank you so much for your videos .
You are so welcome!
Loved the video and have subscribed. Could you optimise the process? The way I see it you would only need to drill out enough 3mm pin holes to get a few 20mm dog holes. You could then reference everything off of those holes, as in effect that's what you are doing later on. Could save a bit of time?
Hi Michael. Yes, it could be done quicker. I like to have all the holes drilled out at 20mm straight off because I use these tops as a clamping assembly table as well as a docking station. Stop drilling holes whenever you feel like it. You could make a few panels up for special purpose. Thanks for subing!
Great video Dave - this is on the list, need a steel one too but this could help line up for the mag drill I think - might be worth the investment!
Once the 3 mm hole pattern is done, the rest is up to you as to how to lock the mag drill into the correct position. Keep me posted! Would be great for a welding table.
Brilliant video David. You make it look so easy and fun!
That's because it is Vajira. It's only people who make things hard, lol.
My cats like that. Purrrfect!
Brilliant! Thank you. Makings of a great spring project
Thanks Bradley. There are plans available as well if you check below.
I noticed you said North America uses a different measurement system where the 3/4" will not fit the 20mm dogs. Is there a comparable product or another Parfitt system for the US standard system of measurement?
Dave! Awesome content i need one now!! Keep sharing this useful info you legend
Hey Rick! You know me, I love my toys!!
Im hear in the usa and have been fighting the metric system with a lot of woodworking things. The 20mm dog holes and festool layout are where i caved. I made my paulk total station (when i was really really new at woodworking) and used the method he suggested. Then when I bought the festool sys clamping set like the one dave made the video for none of it fit snug or the dogs fell right through. That was a drag and a yuuuge eye opener. Now I have to build another PTS. I have another jig for the 20 mm holes but, it is imperial spacing. Soon I will have this jig as i have gotten obsessed with clamping holes in everything.
Hi William. You are not the first person to build the same project numerous times, lol. Please send me a pic of how it all ends up. Thanks for watching.
David Stanton
If you want pics of my circus i will send. I am not a pencil box making kind of guy though. I am a painter who has been forced into woodworking repairs and finish carpentry because the people calling themselves carpenters are terrible. Im not of the caliber you get pictures of but, will send some stuff. Always interesting to see how others work i guess.
We are all different thank heavens. I also have my fair share of mess!
Superb... as usual... video Dave! Cheers
Thanks Kevin!
Hi Dave, I have tried to find the Festool knobs you used @4.07 to pull out the the dogs, would you have a festool part number or do they only come in some sort of MFT kit? Thanks in advance
Andy 🇬🇧
Good system but I've made a simple but accurate mft top with a cross line laser and a router running off the festool track system, great for simple 90% cuts and good results with the 5 cut test. All done with tools I already have.
Hi Alan. Are you relying on sight to position things or is there some method of the lazer using a mechanical lock onto the festool track? Great that this is working for you. A lot of people may not own much more than a cordless drill so I guess it does come down to the tools you already have in some cases.
What is the name/brand of these legs @00:41 under your mdf bench? thank you
Thanks David, great video! I just ordered a system from Axminster which should come off backorder in a. couple of weeks so hopefully I get mine mid November.
Great stuff Neil! Please send a couple of photos and a short story about how it went to my email if you find the time. davestantonfans@gmail.com
I want one now lol. Looks like a great system David.
Works a treat!
Hi Dave, if properly executed, can this be accurate enough to make a picture frame ? Being an absolute beginner, I learned how complicated it can be to get a perfect 45 at the table saw. Even with a jig that I tweaked for hours before getting "acceptable" results... thanks !
As you said, "If properly executed."
Thanks Dave,Have ordered some from Carbatec, and waiting for the early Xmas presents from Axminster..Cheers...
Can a 3/4 system be enlarged to use the 20mm dogs with this cutting bit?
Not advisable.
Interesting system but I have a question: What is the reason why the holes are spaced 96 mm and not 100 mm on the ruler that serves as a template?
Hi Alain Rosman! 32mm is the European standard. 96 is 3 x's that.
@@DavidStanton Hello David, I'm not at all a professional woodworker but I knew that. However, I wonder what is the relationship between this standard and a spacing of 96mm on an MFT? What can we do with it? Maybe the subject of one of your next video ? Thanks again for your answer.
Brilliant system! Thanks for the video Dave!
My pleasure Terry!
Great job, I really enjoyed both videos and look forward to making my own table. One question, where did you get the safety head gear with the hearing protection? I wonder if it’s available in the U.S. I wear glasses also, and it can be a challenge getting proper, hearing, eye, and dust protection while still be able to see properly 😎. Tony
Cool system. Great tutorial! Thanks Dave. Does someone make a system like that for North American convention?
My thoughts are that you could buy Peter's system and then use a 3/4 inch forstner bit but get someone with a lathe to turn the shaft of the bit down to fit into the guide block. Maybe Peter has a 3/4 inch bit in the wings as we speak. The other option is to use the 20mm bit and drill deeper as 3/4 inch is 19.05 mm...less than a mm slop.
Dave! Great and informative video! Will be buying the Parf jig on Monday, you’ve convinced me!
Do you have a link to the feet you used please?
Have a look here Steven. amzn.to/2IKWncT
@@DavidStanton I’m going to the link now
I cant find this part guide system for sale, every website says out of stock. Has this been discontinued?
Well explained Dave and easy to follow. The vacuum attachment is a really good idea too and makes the job so much cleaner.
I was about to purchase a Kreg Mobile Project Centre which is about the same price at Carbatec as the UJK Parf Guide System. Do you know if the Kreg tables use 20mm holes similar to the layout produced in your video, or do they use 3/4” holes as in the US? So I am wondering if the two are compatible. If not then which system should I choose? It is tempting to be able to make my own table top layouts as you demonstrated so well, but the Kreg Project Centre has a lot going for it too.
Arthur Crosby the parf guide system is 20mm . It comes down to what you need and if you are comfortable making the Stanton bench.
David Stanton. Hi David. Thanks for your reply. I visited Carbatec on Wednesday last and found out that the Kreg Project Centre, as expected, uses 3/4” holes. I decided to get the UJK Parf guide system to make my own bench tops in the manner which you demonstrated. I’ve also got some of the TSO 20mm dogs and a couple of Kreg clamps and anchors to get me going. Is it worth incorporating T-Track on the bench surface and/or sides for alternative clamping methods, or will the surface holes provide all the clamping I’m likely to need?
The surface holes will be adequate, but I do use the t track a lot.
Hello David from Greece
Very nice video, you made me to try to make one for myself but i have some questions.
1.the jig costs about 200 euro if i buy one ready to use top it cost about 140-180 euro
2.the jig is for professionals or for DIY ? because if it's for DIY how many tops would i need to make ?
3.the pattern for the holes is 96mm ,why i cann't use 150mm ?
4.I'm in the procees of making one my dimensions are 1215 x 915 with a paterrn of 150mm it's fine, or i have to go to 96mm ?
thanks
from a half Australian
Filippos
Hi Filippos.
The cost of the jig becomes more beneficial if you make a few perforated boards.
96mm is the European convention and if you want to use things such as hardware designed around the 96 mm grid then your 150mm hole spacing will be way too large.
This is good idea but perhaps it would be good for a group share or hire. I toi also thought about paying for someone to cnc one, but haven't approached anyone. Can i borrow yours 😁? How about carbetec have some of these table tops made on cnc and stocked in store? A full sheet of mdf could then in theory cut to size in store.
Maybe you could ask them Paul?
David Stanton The price is not too bad compared to tools in general.
If you know a few people who need one Paul you could buy as a group and share it?
David Stanton i am thinking of building this for an out feed table/mft. With a t track matched to the saw table.
Thanks Dave. Can you advise of a suitable router bit for perfectly exact 20.0 mm hole. Or can we use the drill supplied with the Parf System in a router - I have a Festool 1400.
The only Festool bit I can find are 20.2 mm, and reports are that the dogs are loose in this size hole.
Interesting point Chris Blair. The festool bit is oversized for sure and dogs do wobble. You can't use a forstner but in a router. Buy the festool bit and get it sharpened, maybe that will bring it back to neat or maybe they will overdo it?
Nice video! I made a small MFT myself with the UJK Parf Guide.
What are you using to support the MFT-top on your workbench? Some kind of bench cookies?
Check back in 4 hours for the second installment!!
Great Video Dave. A question though - why are the holes set at 96mm centres? I notice it seems to be common following the MFT, but seem to have missed the reason. Why not say, 100mm centres? Cheers mate.
Thanks Kerry. It is based on the European 32 mm system.
based on european 32 mm. so why is that system 32 mm and no 25, 40 or 50 mm. where does that 32 mm come from?
Hello what it the large yellow pad your are using? thanks
Dave, sorry about putting this comment here, but I would like to know about the mobile cart video. Where did you put those rabbits, (top and bottom) or sides? I'm confused. Thanks in advance.
In the sides Marty.
what is your recommendation for a wax type finish on the mdf surface? Just received my parf system and laying out my 3 mm holes. I'd like to finish top surface prior to drilling the 20mm holes......
Hi John. I used Ubeaut's neautral wax. This is where I got mine. www.carbatec.com.au/sanding-and-finishing/stains-and-waxes/u-beaut-neutral-wax-250ml
You cut the video where you are checking your first square layout, so it probably did not go in perfectly the first time. The reason is quite simple: you are stacking fault tolerances and you are multiplying them. You stack because you use the triangulated side for the second triangulation, and you multiply as you use the short side as reference for the long side. For less error, just mirror the process along the long edge as the first long edge is the only set of holes that are perfectly straight as it's the origin. Also, shim the floating ruler up. You'd think it doesn't matter, but it might and doesn't hurt. Nice tool and explanation. :)
Good tips there Dave... a lot of people don't understand the concept of "stacking" errors...😎👍
As a qualified machinist , I ALWAYS set a single reference point (0x, 0y) and ALL measurements are referenced back to this...
Anyone who has tried stepping out marks with compass set will find no matter how accurate you set it, the minute error grows & grows as you go...
try it folks & measure the result with an accurate steel 1 metre rule & ,say , 50m.m. steps... it's quite a shocking thing to see the error accumulation... 😱
"You stack because you use the triangulated side for the second triangulation, and you multiply as you use the short side as reference for the long side. For less error, just mirror the process along the long edge as the first long edge is the only set of holes that are perfectly straight as it's the origin."
Can you explain this a bit more in detail? Are you talking about 10:11 where he is using the short side? Should he have used the last hole from the first long edge instead?
I live in the US. How do I get the ruler to help me make dog hole table
Hi LD Brown. Click this link to get them. tsoproducts.com/tools-equipment/ujk-parf-guide-system-mark-ii/?aff=2
For fathers day would you suggest the Part System or the Mitreset?
It all depends on the father's needs? If he is a wood turner then the mitreset.
Just purchased this online after watching this review - thanks very much! Now I just need to build myself a vacuum box :)
I just got one of these, a whole lot quicker and more efficient. www.yellowboxshed.com.au/product/vacuum-hood-for-ujk-technology-parf-guide-system/
@@DavidStanton Link is broken.
@@mybrandnewfunk john has polycystic kidney disease and has reduced the available items on his site.
@@DavidStanton Oh man so sorry to hear that. Wishing you a speedy recovery David.
Steven, I'm not ill, John at yellowbox shed is.
Dave, thanks for another handy video. I have a totally unrelated question. Currently designing a sideboard to fit into a cavity. The right hand cabinet door (inset) can't open much past 90 degrees and the client wants 2 drawers behind the cabinet door. I'm having trouble figuring out how to fit the drawers in as the cabinet door and hinges will limit clearance for runners and drawers. I was thinking of just making the drawers slightly narrower and having the drawer slides mounted in further from the edge of the cabinet to provide the clearance. How would you approach this? Thanks.
Good idea and add a face frame that the drawers are within. That way it wont look off set to one side.
Perfect. Thanks for the swift response!
So disappointed right now but not in you Dave. I found your channel around Christmas 2017 and thought this bench idea was amazing and perfect to take around to mates when I do odd jobs as well as small jobs at home so ordered the UJK Parf Guide early Jan while I was on leave (along with the TSO triangle it was an expensive holiday for just being at home). Unfortunately it didn't arrive until I'd gone back to work and with some large projects on, it got a quick look over and was then put aside until I had time again. Fast forward to today and I had a days leave, perfect to break this out and get your bench done. Picked up some ply, came home and got everything out ready to go, opened up the UJK tube, pulled everything out and set it aside, marked the first hole position and then..... realised I'd only received one parf stick :( During my quick look over it before I hadn't removed them and there's a mark down the edge that makes it look like there's two in the plastic sleeve but there's only one. I've sent off an email to Axminster but given it's been 8 months since I bought it I'm not sure what they're going to say. The worst part is, I probably won't get the time again until Christmas this year.
I am sure Axminster will look after you . It is a shame that it happened to someone with limited windows of available time.
I received an email over night saying they're sending another one but it could take up to 52 days to be dispatched (guessing they need to wait for stock) and another couple of weeks in transit, not that it matters how long it takes. At least I'll have it by the time I have the time to make another attempt.
Had a similar delay when I was so excited to build the tabletop. I’m near Toronto Canada.
Bought the Parfguide system and after a month or so set aside a day to really get into it.
Very excited about the precision of the whole setup.
Very first 20mm hole - the 3mm tip snapped off my bit. Whaaaat? Been using Forster bits for years with nary a glitch.
Oh well - popped over to LeeValley to replace it - they are so good with any issues - and Parf Guide system completely sold out with a 3 week waiting period for more kits from Axminster.
My excitement drained out through my shoes! That was a long 3 weeks - but worth the wait in the end.
Sorry to hear that Paul. I guess with so many being manufactured they are bound to have a few glitches.
Dave I forgot to ask about using 3/4" dogs in the 20mm holes as 3/4" (19mm) dogs are much easier to get, have more variety and much cheaper than 20mm parf dogs . The Kreg dogs and corresponding hold downs and in line clamps use 3/4" dogs and are substantially cheaper than parf dogs. Would the 3/4" dogs work OK with 20mm holes or would there be too much slop? Have you tried it?
Too much slop John but yellowboxshed makes a sleeve to rectify it. www.yellowboxshed.com.au/product/bench-dog-adapter-3-4-to-20mm/
Brilliant! Thanks for the link. Now I can use both. They have a good range of dogs too at a good price
Good day Dave, Minus the two rules, will the remainder of the parts fit within a Festool Systainer? Many thanks
Easily Kevin.
Many thanks.
Hello Dave, where can I purchase the pins, blocks and rulers in this video? Thank you. Forgot to say, you have GREAT VIDEOS!
The system is available in UK from here. www.axminster.co.uk/ujk-technology-parf-guide-system-102278?video=0
USA here. tsoproducts.com/workholding-accessories/ujk-technology-parf-guide-system/
Australia here. www.carbatec.com.au/axminster-ujk-parf-guide-system