It's how it is these days. I've noticed it too. People seem to get right up your arse in a 30. I've even had a cop car do it. Thing is if you're speeding and run someone over, you're screwed.
100% agree, but the risk to a Driving School Vehicle is significantly increased as the pupil is more likely to panic. When the pupil brakes, I can’t stop them 👍
I drive buses, coaches and LGV’s. I’m not going to defend him. Certainly not on a wet road surface. If I was his transport manager I’d be having a word in his shell. He will learn the hard way one day when his luck runs out and he ploughs into something and his passengers are scattered across the floor of his bus. I’ve seen it happen.
Totally agree I had people scatter day after I passed my test as a car run a red light. I was told if you got to brake too hard to cause injury to passangers and its not your fault hit them. As then it blame is not on you and the company can claim off their insurance.
@@forevercomputing, probably. It’ll depend on company wording. Certainly the case in My company, & we’re trucks. Fleet manager is a much higher up position.
Thats absolutely shocking. You can tell how close he got by the road side furniture, Buses just do not STOP as quick as a car. Not to mention the safety of his passengers that are not secured by seat belts plus likes of buggies & shopping trolleys ect. Have you considered reporting him to his depot in the first instance, if no luck go to the Police & Traffic Commission.
Obviously buses have to have brakes designed to cope with stopping a fully laden bus if a bus is virtually empty the efficiency of those brakes is going to be increased considerably i've seen people step out expecting them to be hit but the bus virtually stopped on a penny, same with sports cars that are built virtually always with uprated brakes.
Breaking force inceeases proportionally with weight, such are the laws of physics. By and large a Toyota Aygo and a fully laden bus will stop from the same speed in roughly the same distance. It’s when they hit something, the weight factors in.
@@marklittler784 True, but to stop the bus safely taking into account the unrestrained passengers on board requires a lot more forward planning and more gentle braking. So while a bus will stand on it's nose quite well, even when quite full, to do so puts all of the passengers at risk
I've been on a bus when the driver has had to brake really hard. On that day the bus was full so I and others were standing. We all were thrown forwards and if I wasn't for me grabbing a pole, I'd have been through or at least smacked the windscreen. I can't say if he was close to the vehicle in front but the force we went forwards was frightening and we were totally unprepared. Pull back, gives more time to observe and makes for better driving experience.
CallMeMrRook same thing happened to me a few times on the bus to uni and it was full of older people and parents with kids too! It’s ridiculous sometimes...
@@lafemmelaMon If you send a letter of complaint to First Bus , they'll probably just file it , under B1N . Better off reporting assholes like this to the local newspapers.
I’m right with you here. Please see my above highlighted comment. Driving is a skill and anyone worth holding a steering wheel should want to improve and maintain that skill set. Blame our lame politicians who SHOULD introduce a two tier driving test (basic then advanced) as a compulsory measure then adopt the policy of assessments every 5yrs or so to ensure drivers are still at an acceptable level of competence. It’s not going to happen though as it would be political suicide to whoever introduced it. So, in the meantime we will have to tolerate another year of rising road death and serious injury increases.
Did you find any? We also learn from Ashley's channel that bus drivers are NOT officially told to use hazard lights when parking - that is a "culture" that have developed somehow. (A bus driver mentioned)
I really do get annoyed at the people who jump onto the "you're too slow" excuse bandwagon. It is NOT an excuse to tailgate. The people going slow are almost always learner drivers and if you're running late for something then that is no one's fault but your own for not planning the journey ahead correctly. A learner driver is not going to accelerate at the rate that a qualified driver, driving for several years will, it is unreasonable to ask as such and it is why we display the L plates. Learners are prone to braking harsher than other drivers as they are getting used to the controls of the car and understanding their vehicle (as remember many learners practice in their instructors and a family car) same with the accelerator and clutch. There is no excuse for being less considerate around learners, we were all learners once and sooner or later they will stop or turn off and you can carry on (hopefully not above the speed limit). Simple as.
Jake Smith I agree with everything you’re saying, except where you say you aren’t planning for the journey ahead correctly. I work nights shifts and have a second job as a domiciliary home care worker and the time we travel between calls is strict, structured and any time lost at previous calls where necessary effects future calls, just because weekends and evenings people don’t work they just dither cos they don’t have anywhere to be and don’t care about others. It doesn’t help when some moron is doing way below the speed limit for the conditions of the road. Just on Sunday I was out early morning (8:30am) and driving to work. Some idiot was doing 16mph in a 40 limit, the max this tool was doing was 30mph. Aside from angering me and making me late, there was a huge queue behind us. You see the slow idiots, you can point them out cos they always have a steady queue of cars behind waiting. The one positive if there was one about driverless cars is the fact these dicks can’t go too slowly anymore and all the cars will actually get you where you need to be without some pleb dithering about. I understand learners going slowly, and accept that. However instructors should be mindful of their pupil’s effect on those around them; and decide routes accordingly to better suit rush hour, other peak times and see when somebody is clearly rushing and tell their pupil to pull over to let them past.
@@EnterShikari01 So what makes this any different to a tractor doing it, a cyclist etc. Just overtake when safely and get over it. You wouldn't moan about a tractor, treat it the same.
@@computerpro5341 Good point, I overlooked tractors, cyclists and other naturally slow road users in my comment who we should also take consideration for 😊
Jake Smith yeah we can all just dawdle and go 16mph in a 40 cos we damn well feel like it. Both of you are ignorant tossers who shouldn’t be on the road and I’d like to point you to your Highway Code because you clearly aren’t familiar with it. And I’ll point you to the advice from the police, DVSA and RAC and the AA. Clowns. Does your mother still do your washing?
I notice this all the time, and i have had people overtaking me in a 30 limit because i have stuck to the posted speed limit ,I even had one idiot overtake me then slam his breaks on because I audacity to drive at 30 mph in a 30 mph road . I have since purchased a front and rear dash-cam. keep up the good work Ashley.
I would never drive without a dash cam. Far too many malicious idiots out there. I don't trust other road users enough not to drive without a dash camera. And, I think, neither should anyone else.
I really need to invest in at least a forward dash cam . One recent incident that sticks in my mind was when I was leaving work at about 1am . I overtook a slow moving car on dual carriageway at 50mph. It promptly overtook me ,swerved in front of me without indicating & slammed on the anchors ! I did a successful emergency stop but was shaken . They sped off naturally. No cops anywhere ..
Shaun W I really would, Iv had front dash for 3 years now and wouldn’t drive my car without one now. I’m going to upgrade to front and back dash soon. They don’t cost much for half decent ones and can be used as evidence to convict dangerous drivers if its supported in your area. If someone puts you and your family in danger, don’t get angry and make it worse, get even and submit footage to the police, that’s how you get revenge that will really hurt aggressive drivers 😆
As a driving instructor myself you tend to get tailgated in the rain alot. The 4 second rule goes out the window. If possible i will pull up or get my pupil to go a different way. One thing we instructors can't control is when a pupil hits tge break hard. Another great video Ash. Be safe.
People ignore the 4 second rule because a lot of people WILL overtake and jump in that gap. People keep doing this so your progress dwindles. It is better to maintain a 2 second gap and look further ahead for potential issues.
This looks more like a habit than intimidation. I have a relative who is a serial tailgater. But there is zero malice, he's in no rush and is calm like someone who is providing the correct spacing. It's just a terrible habit he has. (He is trying to improve) Tailgaters who are trying to intimidate usually come with hand gestures, angry facial expressions, shouts, screams, horns and flashing lights. If you can see that the tailgater is chill with none of the above then it's most likely a bad habit.
@@dgphi Never heard him complain. To be honest I think he was oblivious to the fact. Edit: Oblivious like how some people don't understand why some large vehicles will indicate left but stay in the right lane to turn.
I had exactly this conversation with one of my students today during their lesson. Learner drivers often assume that the person behind is automatically annoyed because they're following a learner. It's actually a small minority that behave like idiots on purpose.
Now imagine looking at similar rear view footage of tailgating, only you're on a bike - no crumple zones, no airbags.. tailgating is careless & dangerous.
@TheDailyBiker Well thats OK - they're tailgaters, they're already too close. Slower speed = reduced impact risk due to physics and and increased thinking time
Biggest peeve as a biker - 15mph skid risk areas usually after they redress a road surface. No cars ever comply with it. As a biker who knows how bloody slippery diesel, oil and those road surfaces are due to previous lessons learned the hard way, I do. But every single time, You can guarantee I'll get a HGV or car right up my arse, when it only takes a little looser than expected road surface and my front wheel will wash out and land me on the floor in the blink of an eye, they've no chance of stopping if I do, I'll be run over by them.
Seriously; What would the management of the bus company prefer? A. Their driver falling half a minute behind schedule? or B. Having a massive lawsuit against them from the bus passengers, driving instructor and pupil all because the bus has crashed into the learner car because the bus driver driving to close to that learner car because that bus driver was trying to stay on schedule?
The problem is it's the driver wanting to keep moving. If they're late or don't finish a route on-time, they'll have to work overtime to finish, which lets be honest most people want to finish work on-time. It doesn't justify it at all, but that's what it's like.
Bus driver is sorely in need of some driver, refresher training ie. The dynamics of how larger, heavy vehicles, react on wet roads, when too close to the vehicle in front and having to suddenly pull up or brake?
People are not taking into account the much more commanding view of the road in front of the vehicle in front you get from a van, 4×4, bus, coach or lorry or the distance the vehicle in front is leaving clear in front of them so they're very highly unlikely to brake hard except perhaps for a pigeon.
''less lightly'' still more serious consequences if anything unexpected happens and it's still totally inconsiderate and unnecessary, what's a few extra meters progress other than to pressure people to accelerate a bit faster than there comfortable too right there and then. It's the extra stress in the environment that will build up and cause accidents at some point, if not between them right there and then it still can easily have a knock on effect and at some point down the line will make a less lightly situation more lightly to happen. If someone is going too slow should give a light tap on the horn a few times rather than tailgate like a twat.
@@marklittler784 erm... people don't need to take into account the "much more commanding" view of the road - if the learner car brakes hard because someone ran out in the road or whatever, the bus is in the back of the learner.
@@GaffaTV In the last million miles I don't recall anyone braking for nothing, people rarely fall from bridges or buildings into the road or come out of manholes, however people do brake for pidgeons or last minute lane changes or suddenly deciding to turn which are all rather predictable. An unladen bus or lightly laden bus can have tremendous stopping abilities especially considering the brakes are designed to cope with it being fully laden which it ever rarely is.
First (ever) speed ticket since 1983 last week. Attending SA course next week, but I’m already sticking to posted speed limits (as I should) and have been tailgated almost every time since I’ve stuck to 30/40/50 limits. Never brake check, but always slightly slow down, as suggested, in order to “lessen risk”, as advised by you Ashley. Works a treat to be fair👍
And I think you'll find car drivers blame bus drivers for every stupid and dangerous action they do, and as a bus driver of 17 years I'm not defending this bus driver at all. Good and bad drivers out there in all types of vehicles.
While I completely agree with your point Ashley, if I leave anything more than 2 or 3 car lengths in front of me the some idiot will pull out on me, overtake or find another way to fill the "reasonable" gap. If I then slowed to create another reasonable gap I'd eventually end up stopping completely while everyone else carried on driving abysmally around me. Ever tried creating a reasonable gap on the M25... completely impossible. Please note I'm talking about your 4 seconds comment not the tail gating which is just stupid in every situation.
I think his 4 seconds is for a bus in the rain as they are very heavy, have rubbish breaks and therefore take ages to pull up, not sure how accurate it is but I can believe it. And my God, even leaving a 1 and a half second gap and some idiot behind you will start driving like you aren't there. So many cars on country roads that I commute on don't even leave a car space at 50-60, then once they go past the car they don't want to go faster.... how these people get by without crashing more often is beyond me, absolute bunch of chancers.
A few years ago, I was a CBT motorcycle instructor. My pupil was riding in front of me at 30 mph in a 30 limit. Next thing, I see a single-decker bus loom into view in my mirrors. It kept pace about three feet from my rear number plate. This continued for about a mile before the bus pulled into a "stop". I took the initiative to speak to the driver while passengers were getting on and off and asked the question as to the stopping distance of his bus at 30 mph. I was informed that if me and my pupil weren't up to it we should go and "practice" elsewhere away from public roads!! At which, a passenger got up and informed the driver he fitted the description of many a "W**ker" who tailgate and put other road users at risk. Good man. The point was though, what did the bus driver gain by driving in such a manner? Not a jot.
@@EnterShikari01 I was relating an incident and maybe my grammar wasn't too good. What do you have to say about ignorant bus drivers who drive too close to the vehicle in front? lol!!!
hello there Tut, tut. A word of advice, dont ever admit to trying to piss them off, as that makes you complicit. Stick to needing additional breaking room. And Ashley, really, liking this kind of comment without commenting.
As an ex-bus/coach driver, I am in agreement with you totally. Way too close for the safety of all and also the comfort of his passengers. Tailgating is rife these days from cars/vans/buses etc, and you are treated to this dangerous driving simply by having the bare faced cheek to drive to the conditions and speed limit. The consequences of an 8 ton min bus ploughing into the rear of your 1-series is not going to end well. I applaud you on your vlogs which I always watch, and I pick up little tips even though I passed my car licence in 1982 and catD bus in 1999. Thankyou
Thanks for the heads up and perspective Ashley. I myself am I bus driver and I'm yet to come across any learners that cause me "to be late", at the end of the day I go back and think to when I was learning in a car and I give them as much time and room as they need
I drive trucks (class 2) for a living and this morning at work I was over taken for doing 30 in a 30 limit and undertaken on a roundabout. People will do anything to get ahead of a truck. It's funny though because almost 90% of the time i catch them up again because they are stuck behind someone else doing the speed limit or stuck behind another truck.
It's funny when people want to get around my bus (limited to 56) and get to the red light first while I use my retarder to roll up and never need to stop.
My only defence of someone overtaking a large vehicle just to be in front (assuming it is done legally and safely) is that your vision is impaired when behind one. It can make driving more difficult as potential hazards and the overall feel of the road become obscured.
@@samuelwilliams9371 you know if you drop back and leave a bigger gap to the vehicle in front you can see better, it also gives more room for braking so if you can't see something in front of a truck you'll still have room to stop.
Saw a woman this morning go over a pedestrian crossing on red and tailgate a learner to the next set of lights. She had her 8 year old daughter in car with her. I wound down my window, pointed out what she had done and asked her “What are you like, doing that?” She told me to “STFU....”
I was a bus driver for 11 years. There is nothing to defend, he should have his bus license taken off him! Not only is he risking your life’s, but the passengers wouldn’t stay in their seats if he had to slam his brakes on. A real risk to everybody! He shouldn’t be aloud to hold a professional driving position!
The other day I was behind a lorry and about 2 or 3 cars gap in front. There I then noticed a big Mercedes van get closer and closer to me. I was like, why are you getting closer? What benefit does that have to you? I ain't going any faster or wanting to take over anytime soon mate. I ever so slowly lifted my foot from the accelerator to leave myself a bit more of a gap from me and the lorry while the van behind was still tail gating me. Reason I left a bugger gap was because it started to rain and my car is from 2003 so it's alot older than most cars and my car obviously doesn't have all new upto date fancy braking systems. So I had to allow myself that extra room just incase. Now at this point I could tell that the van driver behind was getting annoyed as he started flashing me. What did I do? Nothing. Just laughed at him. I'm doing nothing wrong.
Good point, I drove in South america my old 1991 car. No ABS etc. And that reason here in UK I keep my distances like you. I will be very happy driving in front or behind you. We can drive and enjoy. No stress
I always recall driving a sports car at 30mph through a village, an older gentleman driver in a small hatchback was tailgating whilst gesticulating at me. As soon as national speed limit came I just put my foot down and disappeared like he was stood still. Amusingly, the car behind the tailgater immediately over took him. It sticks in my memory because to this day I can't imagine why anyone would tailgate a sports car like that in a small, slow hatchback. So it's not just learner drivers that suffer from tailgating!
I'm a bus driver and there's no way I'm going to defend this guy's driving. Even if he kept a minimum of a two second gap he would have passengers thrown out of their seats should he have to do an emergency stop. We've been told to keep a minimum of four seconds to cut down that risk.
I don't think the bus full of people can stop in 2 seconds as a car could. I think some loaded hgv's could take 6 seconds and they have 6 meters (if that!) from one another...
Sadly, where I’m from this is absolutely typical of the vast majority of bus drivers. Having said that, last week my student was doing a RPP and a bus entered the road. He stopped well back from us and didn’t harass my student at all. Even waited until we were completely in the bay, even though he had room. When he passed us he gave her a great big smile and thumbs up. We need more drivers like that on the roads, then maybe our death toll wouldn’t be up 50% so far on this time last year.
I passed my test a month ago and the difference in how I'm treated now I'm not in a learner car is night and day. No one is in a rush to get in front of me now even though I'm still a novice and still learning about road etiquette, I'm shown respect on the roads. If i select the wrong gear for the speed I'm doing and the car jolts, the person behind me usually backs off a bit. When i did that as a learner I'd get tailgated, beeped at or overtaken. Give learners a break.
@@popsterone3530 Or there isn't, there's a campaign in my city (Norwich) to reduce the limit on all roads to 20mph. They've started randomly dropping speed limits all over the city often on large open roads. Though I've noticed people now ignore all 20 limits including the ones which had reasons before like near schools or in the city centre.
Because 20 is a ridiculous speed limit and largely unsafe because they have led to a higher proportion of road deaths. But it’s too costly to reverse. I usually go about 24-25 in a 20. That’s a reasonable speed for keeping momentum and keep good progress.
@@EnterShikari01 I often go over to like 24mph because my car hates 20 I just don't have a gear for it 2nd revs high and 3rd chugs. Maybe it's because most UK cars are foreign and built for kmh.
Any suggestion that a road junction is clear because there is no traffic on it is an absolute false assumption if there is a vehicle in front of you because they will get to the junction first. It is easy to forget that they are there. A typical scenario would be where you have a SUV, van or commercial vehicle with the drivers eyes much higher than a car following a car or sports car. The commercial/van driver can see over low hedges but a car driver might not have that view and need to either slow or stop. So one stops the other does not.
Hi Ashley, you know what I do for a living because of my previous posts on your videos. If this was a driver in my area he would be finding himself back in training, possibly with his job on the line for this sort of behaviour. He is, as you said, breaking the four second separation rule in the wet and is using the size of his vehicle to intimidate other drivers. Totally unacceptable and going against everything we teach them whilst in training. There is NO defence for this sort of driving!! Great video and spot on analysis of this idiot bus driver!!
Hi Gary. There are bad eggs everywhere, and hopefully by putting out clips like this it might be a deterrent to others. As I always say we all need to look at ourselves, so a video on the poor level of driving instructors is on its way! I don’t think I’ll be getting many Christmas cards this year 😬 Ashley.
I had a coach behind me coming up to a roundabout. I stopped in the traffic cue and the driver behind got closer and closer. I looked in my wing mirror and looked at him. He was looking down at his lap, then up, then down again. And did this multiple times. I Could only surmise he was playing with his phone. I don't know how heavy the average coach is so I made a note of the reg and his appearance, pulled over and parked, rang the company of the coach and they couldn't care less.
As a learner I get nervous if I happen to see a face of the driver of the car behind me. It gives me an impression that they are too close and makes me risk with my decisions, especially choosing safe gaps when turning and speed. I know we are all busy (supposedly) but you must have been learners yourselves 😥
Unfortunately I find most drivers have no comprehension of the words “too close” lol. Tailgating is a serious problem here, really needs tougher penalties because it’s irritating and dangerous
My local bypass Road was changed from 60 to 50 a few years ago due a fatal accident, but people's attitudes haven't changed I still get followed too close.
As a learner, i don’t go particularly slow and always try to match the speed limit when it is safe to do so, but all it takes for some people is the sight of an L plate (regardless of your speed) and they’re instantly tailgating or considering overtaking.....
Poor driving from the bus driver, bad enough to do that to anyone let alone a learner. I saw the same thing a few weeks ago where I live down south, a big double decker bus tailgating a learner like this. It's not only dangerous for the obvious reason of a collision if you had to brake hard, but when you tailgate someone like that it's puts them under pressure and their mind is worrying about the bus behind, not what's going on in front of them.
There's a road I drive on just as I come off a motorway slip road that's 30mph with a speed camera ahead and I've either got someone tailgating me right up my backside while doing 28/29mph and people overtaking in the right lane. Most people from my city say that the speed camera is never working, so they think this justifies them exceeding the 30mph limit.
I was driving down a 2 lane highway with a 50 mph limit and the road was about an 8 minute drive with sharp S bends and corners and I was being tailgated by a gigantic lorry. At one point he was so close that when I looked through my rear view mirror I couldn’t even see his headlights as his lorry was so wide and he was close. If I had braked even slightly he wouldn’t annihilated us. It was safe to say I was holding my breath and clenching the steering wheel the entire time lol, I don’t understand why people treat learners like scum.
I work for a large bus company in Liverpool, I drive buses as well as represent drivers, I would never condone tailgating like that and there is no excuse for it, we carry the most precious cargo in the world. I have to be really careful here but some schedules adopted by bus companies can encourage this sort of driving. It costs roughly £100,000 p/a to put a bus on the road (2.5 drivers wages + running/maintenance costs), so the less buses you put on a route, the more money you make, however the less buses there are on a route the tighter the time between timing points. I am forever telling drivers to slow down but human nature tells us when a target is put in front of us, we tend to aim for it Although we are never penalised for running late, pressure is put on you to ‘keep the service going’ and unfortunately this will always lead to poor driving in the video above.
Omg yes THANK YOU! I just bought my first dashcam and yeah things look further away than they are, I've watched footage back on mine that seemed quite bad at the time but doesn't look that bad on dashcam 🤦♀️
Im used to being tailgated at this rate but since I am only student who has to look after themselves financially with a black box, also been previously caught around the corner with a speeding gun in a low speed limit road, i learned its just not worth being pushed. Theres a road in Liverpool which is only 20mph near a school but the road is quite long and wide, some will back off but others will close the gap, overtake me when an oncoming car is coming and they have to slow down. I guess cause most people will pressure young or newer drivers when they become impatient even though u will save 1 or 2 minutes at most if that no exaggeration.
As a learner, when a car does it, it's like, OK, I se you, mate, but whatever. A bus or a lorry, different story. I can feel my knuckles go white at the steering wheel and I'm an "advanced" learner (taking my test soon). Buses, in particular, I find almost always drive way too close. Honestly, more often then not the tailgating I see is way worse then depicted in this video. It's pretty often where I can't see their reg.
In one of Reg Local's Advanced Driving videos (doing my advanced course in the new year) on commentary driving, he talks about people that pull out in front of you will often turn off within half a mile; so if someone pulls out on you on your advanced test, you can use this as a prediction "I anticipate that that vehicle will turn off in half a mile" to give you 'Brownie Points' with the examiner. After Reg pointing this out, I started to notice, whilst this is not always the case, there is a pattern with people doing this. Now to get to my point. Having started to notice the above pattern, I began to watch the behaviour of tailgaters and realised that often they too will turn off within a half a mile.
Doing 30 in a 30, person pulls out doing 20 only to pull in at the next available junction. It also depends on the vehicle as well. They judge you by speed and vehicle.
What ever happened to the two second rule. I hope you reported that bus driver to his employer and the police, it might just remind him he is LICENSED to drive.
Was overtaking on a carriageway last week and getting tailgate by a lorry who was flashing me aswel. It was a 50mph average camera check aswel. I let him pass because I’m not getting stressed out because of bad drivers. I passed him when it changed to 70 again smiling as I left the carriageway and he stayed on and hit a shit ton of traffic.
I used to get tailgated a lot. Now I've fitted a dash cam, I go through my videos at the end of my journey, note down the registration of tailgaters or dangerous drivers, and report them to the police. So far, I've reported 9 people in the last 2 months and I will keep reporting them until there is something done about it because tailgating is deliberate and dangerous and tailgaters must not be on the road.
You can see he’s too close by how fast the cones are passing the gap between you and the bus. Iv been noticing how aggressive some bus drivers are becoming. Even on tight roads they refuse to slow down to help keep close passes safe. Unfortunately a bus driver near me found out the hard way last year driving past the shops up the road, he ran over an o.a.p at fairly high speed. He was arrested on the spot for causing death by dangerous driving. if your supposed to be a professional driver probably best to drive a bit more professionally.
As a driver of the same type of bus I will both defend and not defend the driver. Firstly I am well agreed on the fact that he is driving too closely. Secondly I can say the type of bus being driven tend to have touchy accelerators and brakes but that is something you probably wouldn't know. Finally leading on from the last point the driver should be aware of the touchiness of the vehicle so should be a lot more careful when following any vehicles especially learner drivers which at least when I took my pcv I was told to add 30-50% of the normal following distance.
As a bus driver myself, he is driving way too close and he needs to factor in wet weather, the weight of extra passengers causes the braking distance to increase. He's obviously running late and trying to bully you off the road. What the point in causing an accident he's still going to get paid if he's late or not!!!
I passed my test a couple of days ago and i was driving to work this morning and this car was really close to me. Really really close. And it was like he was late for work or something and he wanted me to hurry up but i would be going over the speed limit if I went faster. Anyway i got a bit nervous and ended up stalling at the traffic lights. So i guess his plan to hurry me backfired. Please give people with L and P plates some space.
Stop messing with the bus drivers because they are all they on the road and you don't know how they feel from their perspective. I don't understand guys why are you messing with the bus drivers these days it's sooo stressful!!
I once was in a bus that had to make a full stop, I don't remember why so I don't blame the driver. The bus was just driving off and was at low speed 10-20kmh and went into full brakes. The journey was immediately over as one lady was severly bleeding and another one fell on the ground and broke her hips.
Your last comment Ashley, "Does he really think he will get to his next stop quicker?" I've thought the same when I see buses shooting through red traffic lights! Aren't these meant to be public service vehicles following an estimated time table?! So what if they are 20 seconds late!
Buses are never 20 seconds late. It'll be on time, 5-10 minutes late or so late it's not even worth calling it "late." Every second past the time the driver gets to the last stop is another second they lose of their break at the end of the route. Sometimes bus drivers like to drive recklessly to get to the final stop 2-3 minutes early, and then leave 5 minutes late, which they can make up en route. Bus drivers don't drive fast for the benefit of their passengers!!
@@dxnnyk1411last comment, yes, very true! While I drive a car, on one specific route near me, I notice 4 buses converge on their way into Liverpool. Usually the buses actually drive past stops that have people waiting at them, "because another bus will be along soon!"
Also worth noting the traffic behind the bus doing the same thing. I do hope our Road Safety Partnership are subscribed to your channel, Ashley. Great overtake of the cyclist by the way :-)
Statistics show at built up area speed your car will travel 6 car lengths before it stops in the event of someone emergency braking in front of you based on good conditions in the wet you would double the distance .gives you some idea regarding the bus.
I may be in the wrong here....but I was in a Skoda citygo car (small car) and merged from two lanes into one lane with 30Mph speed limit. I stuck to 30Mph but the big Toyota pickup truck that was now behind me started to tailgate me for a while with only a few feet gap (i kid you not) as he wanted to make me go faster. So as traffic was moderate just outside the town and I slowed down o 25Mph then 20Mph, he then weaved around going side to side, so I soon entered a 40Mph zone and I drove at 30 - 35Mph as traffic in front was starting to build up so slowed down to 30Mph to increase the gap to the van in front to 8 seconds gradually from 4 seconds, he still was kissing my bumper, we soon went our different ways. The roads were slightly wet and light was dim given it was 07:30 in Tewkesbury, Gloucestershire UK. Was I right in doing this or not?
Henry Smith Not much more you could do, but if you really start to feel intimidated by how close they are, just pull over and let them go, or take a left somewhere and go round the block to joint the same road further up (but by that time, long behind them). It’ll cost you a few seconds on your journey, but the hours on the phone and filling in insurance forms are better avoided, even when its not your fault. If you really cant go anywhere, a quick blip of the hazard lights sometimes has the desired effect, but often they just wonder what YOU are doing (rather than even consider questioning their own driving). A CityGo is small, but still capable of full motorway speeds, so as long as you pull into reasonable gaps without forcing people to brake, get up to speed promptly (which even a CityGo is capable of if you use the gas and gears properly) and drive to the speed limit when appropriate, then you’re doing nothing wrong - its all on them. If anyone thinks you should accelerate faster, or go quicker, then stick a GT saloon up their ar$e and let them know what quick really means; then Toyota pick ups are slow!
And coming off that first roundabout they had to accelerate to close that gap, so the suggestion some made on the previous video about buses taking a long time to slow down or something similar is impossible there.
I've seen it. Police car turned on his blues and the reaction of the tailgater was priceless! Ironically, he hit his brakes so hard, he almost caused an accident by swerving into the next lane!
Iv never under stood why people drive fast and do that when there at work. There being paid to do a job and keep passengers safe. I admit I get stressed at driving but when I’m paid to do a job it’s different.
They're also paid to get to their destination on time, I've never worked for a bus company but I imagine managers put pressure on the drivers to make sure they do arrive on time.
@@collinslfc If they're late they have to do overtime to finish the route. It's not the company, it's the fact they want to keep on schedule so they can finish on time. Sad but that's the way it has to be, there's not really an alternative, you can't just stop in the middle of a route xd
@@computerpro5341 If passengers complain that the buses are late, then the managers in the company will put more pressure on the bus drivers to arrive at their destination on time. It's all about hitting targets and it really wouldn't surprise me if managers of bus companies put this as higher priority than road safety.
@@collinslfc there is absolutely no pressure to be on time. That causes accidents. If we are late, we either cut a trip (or part of it), or put in for overtime at the end of the day. Just depends on how late we are or how much driving hours we have spare on the shift. Timetables are always put forward as advisory only, and this is made clear to the passengers when they do moan.
@@edwardlack2578 it is much different in the US. there's too much pressure on drivers. My mom was a city bus driver. It didn't matter if all the roads were iced over.
As a bus driver myself, there is absolutely NO WAY he would be able to stop a bus in time in an emergency, driving that close, no matter how good at driving he may think he is. That's ridiculous. Common sense very much required here, shocking driving.
The worst instance of tailgating I ever experienced was very recent. I was going 75mph down a 60mph country road (I know, shouldn’t have done it), when I realised a car overtaking others behind me. The next time I looked to my rear view mirror I realised this BMW was sat so close to my car that I couldn’t see its headlights. This was around 1-2am, and if I had to brake suddenly, we’d both of been dead. I took my foot off the accelerator until we got to around 55mph and they overtook me on a bend. Absolute nob heads.
Bristol buses love to tailgate and think indicators are optional. Once the passengers have paid , they just pull out without even looking more often than not. Shocking driving .
I wholeheartedly agree I do 30 where supposed to and I get tailgated all the time. I have been driving a while ( not admitting how long ) and this can still intimidate me , when I allow it to or for whatever reason . How about you / they just get off our butt . Going back to that bus have you sent in clip to the company . On the dash cam the speed is not stated and this may help but still you are a learner and this behaviour with a so called professional driver this is not on , they have livery I would complain . 👍🥴
just shows how rediculous some drivers are. i encounter other learner drivers and i give them space so they have time to think. i do that for them and im still a learner driver
Despiciable of the bus driver to be doing that. Even again further up the road, later on! He'd soon be picking on the wrong person as there are many-a snowflakes on the roads. Another thing that gets me and has suddenly got popular is that when approaching stationary traffic, the people behind you either like to sit an inch from your bumper (almost touching when reviewing the rear wide angle dashcam footage) or race up to your backside despite they can see what's ahead and see your brake lights indicating you've stopped and stop short of inches yet again. Do people really want no brakes?
He's too close and therefore driving dangerously, especially considering it's a driving instructor car. However, I'm going to question whether he is to blame or is it the company he works for that puts pressure on their drivers to make sure they arrive at the stops on time and their destination above road safety; or else face disciplinary action? If passengers have put in complaints about buses arriving late, then I can imagine the company put pressure on the drivers to get there faster, just something to factor in which may explain a bus driver driving more aggressively.
If that is the case, the driver need to explain the expectations are impossible to accomplish to the.company, in the end, any accident with company pressure or not will be his fault.
@@collinslfc ok, but if the driver go to the court. The law will go against him, no against of the company. In my humble opinion, I will work, but try to find another job meantime. Maybe another route, inclusive in the same company. The same for pilots, doctors.
When I was at school, our school bus driver kept going on 2 wheels round a certain corner. At the time it was fun but now, I think he should have been fired.
I'm a bus driver and I'm not defending him, but do you not think you driving to slow and riling the driver when you knew it was the same one. I've had that in my time. You are going on about tailgating,what about when other drivers cut buses up you forget we have passengers on and their safety is paramount to the job. I bet you don't even drive a bus, you should try it and see how you get on, my instructor told me that I would see some bad driving and he wasn't wrong.
@@ashley_neal No but you have to realise sometimes it's necessary to keep up with time tables that's probably why he was speeding. That is partly the reason why I don't drive service buses anymore because at the end of the day it's your license that's at stake.
I’ve been tailgated on a single carriageway whilst doing 60mph by a flatbed truck who’s speed limit was 50mph. Also on a 50mph duel carriageway By a 40 ton LGV while I was in the outside lane overtaking other vehicles. When I pointed at the speed limit sign the driver just shrugged his shoulders and gave me the finger as if to say get out of the way it doesn’t apply to me. I feel there isn’t enough speed cameras, traffic light cameras or even cameras to catch drivers on the phone. To many drivers get away with a lot of dangerous and illegal driving.
Hello, can you do a video on L plate (CBT 125CC) motorcycles and how people treat them on UK roads? I feel like people are more likely to break my right of way when overtaking/pulling out etc etc even if I'm doing the speed limit.
Passenger safety and road safety come before timekeeping every time. Running late is no excuse for poor driving by a professional driver. He will have traffic controllers at his depot who are paid to worry about and re-schedule late buses. (I know this as I am a bus driver, with 25 years experience.)
@@Steven11663 My Dad was a bus driver for 20 years and he had a tracker that recorded what he did and if he did not keep up with the program then he would be fired. In my dad's case he is a safe driver and just brakes hard in the last hour of work to piss the machine of but all i'm saying is a stressed out worker who is being pushed may go closer and it may not be his fault but the company he works for. Just saying we don't know his life story.
@@aabatteryaa3418 At the end of the day, the bus driver is responsible for his vehicle. Nobody, including the company he/she works for, can force him/her drive recklessly or to break the law. A bus driver's primary concern is the safety and comfort of his/her passengers, and the safety of other road users. If this means the bus runs late, so be it. It's up to the depot controllers to sort out.
I'm a bus driver and yes - this driver is pretty ridiculous. If he followed any other vehicle like that and said vehicle hit the brakes sharply then all his passengers would be laying strewn across the floor, and maybe half his bus would have ended up in the car's boot.
That bus company is the worst HTL travel they employ dangerous drivers who are not safe on the roads...also he shouldn't of even been coming from the way he did by the pear tree...he should of came from the way you did...so clearly skipping the route ..hope you reported him
I hate tailgators, they have no sense for just how dangerous it is to be that close. Its even worse on the motorways though. This past weekend i drove to Glasgow and back from the midlands, and had so many people only a couple of feet from my bumper. Makes me wish i had a rear view dash cam, because i would have sent the footage into you for your analysis. It would make a good talking point. At 70mph, its a disaster waiting to happen. The worst offenders ive found by far though, are lorry drivers in 50mph speed restrictions during the motorway roadworks. Its terrifying have that big of vehicle riding your bumper through an area already at increased risk from the roadworks themselves. And while your already in the left lane doing 50mph, there is just nothing you can do to get out of the situation, just have to hope they change to the middle lane and overtake. Its utter lunacy.
Granted its a bit unsafe but not terribly unsafe, buses can stop quite hard, but it's more stupid, as being close means no wiggle room, if car in front slows down then you have to slow down immediately, not gradually let off gas and absorb speed change.. I really hope he doesn't drive like that with standing passengers!
Limits are becoming advisory and the roads are full of idiots. Stopping distances don't exist it's just a matter of how many car lengths you feel comfortable with.
It's not just driving school vehicles, I'm always getting tailgated when doing 30 in a 30 limit.
Yes so do i.
It's how it is these days. I've noticed it too.
People seem to get right up your arse in a 30. I've even had a cop car do it.
Thing is if you're speeding and run someone over, you're screwed.
100% agree, but the risk to a Driving School Vehicle is significantly increased as the pupil is more likely to panic. When the pupil brakes, I can’t stop them 👍
Are you doing 30 or does your car show you're doing 30?
Marti Grey what’s your point?
Nowadays you get tailgated just for driving the limit
Or overtaken.
Steve Nugent yeah or both
Almost makes you want to install a rear jet that sprays paint stripper. Won’t stop them but will make you’ll feel better 😆
MrStreetboy That would be too good😅
Yeah no shit.
I drive buses, coaches and LGV’s. I’m not going to defend him. Certainly not on a wet road surface. If I was his transport manager I’d be having a word in his shell. He will learn the hard way one day when his luck runs out and he ploughs into something and his passengers are scattered across the floor of his bus. I’ve seen it happen.
Transport Manager? Is that the right word?
Totally agree I had people scatter day after I passed my test as a car run a red light. I was told if you got to brake too hard to cause injury to passangers and its not your fault hit them. As then it blame is not on you and the company can claim off their insurance.
@@forevercomputing, probably. It’ll depend on company wording. Certainly the case in My company, & we’re trucks. Fleet manager is a much higher up position.
Thats absolutely shocking. You can tell how close he got by the road side furniture,
Buses just do not STOP as quick as a car. Not to mention the safety of his passengers that are not secured by seat belts plus likes of buggies & shopping trolleys ect.
Have you considered reporting him to his depot in the first instance, if no luck go to the Police & Traffic Commission.
Obviously buses have to have brakes designed to cope with stopping a fully laden bus if a bus is virtually empty the efficiency of those brakes is going to be increased considerably i've seen people step out expecting them to be hit but the bus virtually stopped on a penny, same with sports cars that are built virtually always with uprated brakes.
Breaking force inceeases proportionally with weight, such are the laws of physics. By and large a Toyota Aygo and a fully laden bus will stop from the same speed in roughly the same distance. It’s when they hit something, the weight factors in.
@@marklittler784 True, but to stop the bus safely taking into account the unrestrained passengers on board requires a lot more forward planning and more gentle braking. So while a bus will stand on it's nose quite well, even when quite full, to do so puts all of the passengers at risk
It looks like this video is concentrating on what's behind them rather than in front of them.
@@Alobger The passengers don't have seat belts, if he crashes or slams on the brakes what do you think is gonna happen?
I've been on a bus when the driver has had to brake really hard. On that day the bus was full so I and others were standing. We all were thrown forwards and if I wasn't for me grabbing a pole, I'd have been through or at least smacked the windscreen. I can't say if he was close to the vehicle in front but the force we went forwards was frightening and we were totally unprepared. Pull back, gives more time to observe and makes for better driving experience.
CallMeMrRook same thing happened to me a few times on the bus to uni and it was full of older people and parents with kids too! It’s ridiculous sometimes...
All these bus drivers should be reported by the passengers!
@@lafemmelaMon If you send a letter of complaint to First Bus , they'll probably just file it , under B1N . Better off reporting assholes like this to the local newspapers.
I’m right with you here. Please see my above highlighted comment. Driving is a skill and anyone worth holding a steering wheel should want to improve and maintain that skill set. Blame our lame politicians who SHOULD introduce a two tier driving test (basic then advanced) as a compulsory measure then adopt the policy of assessments every 5yrs or so to ensure drivers are still at an acceptable level of competence. It’s not going to happen though as it would be political suicide to whoever introduced it. So, in the meantime we will have to tolerate another year of rising road death and serious injury increases.
I'm here looking for a bus driver in the comments that's trying to defend this.
Did you find any?
We also learn from Ashley's channel that bus drivers are NOT officially told to use hazard lights when parking - that is a "culture" that have developed somehow. (A bus driver mentioned)
I am a ex bus driver of 13 yrs. Check my comment 👍
As a bus driver myself that is shocking.
I’m a bus driver. I wasn’t impressed watching this clip.😔
So I'm not a bus driver but an enthusiastic and I condem this guys action
I really do get annoyed at the people who jump onto the "you're too slow" excuse bandwagon. It is NOT an excuse to tailgate. The people going slow are almost always learner drivers and if you're running late for something then that is no one's fault but your own for not planning the journey ahead correctly. A learner driver is not going to accelerate at the rate that a qualified driver, driving for several years will, it is unreasonable to ask as such and it is why we display the L plates. Learners are prone to braking harsher than other drivers as they are getting used to the controls of the car and understanding their vehicle (as remember many learners practice in their instructors and a family car) same with the accelerator and clutch. There is no excuse for being less considerate around learners, we were all learners once and sooner or later they will stop or turn off and you can carry on (hopefully not above the speed limit). Simple as.
Jake Smith I agree with everything you’re saying, except where you say you aren’t planning for the journey ahead correctly. I work nights shifts and have a second job as a domiciliary home care worker and the time we travel between calls is strict, structured and any time lost at previous calls where necessary effects future calls, just because weekends and evenings people don’t work they just dither cos they don’t have anywhere to be and don’t care about others. It doesn’t help when some moron is doing way below the speed limit for the conditions of the road. Just on Sunday I was out early morning (8:30am) and driving to work. Some idiot was doing 16mph in a 40 limit, the max this tool was doing was 30mph. Aside from angering me and making me late, there was a huge queue behind us. You see the slow idiots, you can point them out cos they always have a steady queue of cars behind waiting. The one positive if there was one about driverless cars is the fact these dicks can’t go too slowly anymore and all the cars will actually get you where you need to be without some pleb dithering about. I understand learners going slowly, and accept that. However instructors should be mindful of their pupil’s effect on those around them; and decide routes accordingly to better suit rush hour, other peak times and see when somebody is clearly rushing and tell their pupil to pull over to let them past.
@@EnterShikari01 So what makes this any different to a tractor doing it, a cyclist etc. Just overtake when safely and get over it. You wouldn't moan about a tractor, treat it the same.
@@computerpro5341 Good point, I overlooked tractors, cyclists and other naturally slow road users in my comment who we should also take consideration for 😊
Computerpro oh dear....
Jake Smith yeah we can all just dawdle and go 16mph in a 40 cos we damn well feel like it. Both of you are ignorant tossers who shouldn’t be on the road and I’d like to point you to your Highway Code because you clearly aren’t familiar with it. And I’ll point you to the advice from the police, DVSA and RAC and the AA. Clowns. Does your mother still do your washing?
I notice this all the time, and i have had people overtaking me in a 30 limit because i have stuck to the posted speed limit ,I even had one idiot overtake me then slam his breaks on because I audacity to drive at 30 mph in a 30 mph road .
I have since purchased a front and rear dash-cam.
keep up the good work Ashley.
I would never drive without a dash cam. Far too many malicious idiots out there. I don't trust other road users enough not to drive without a dash camera. And, I think, neither should anyone else.
I really need to invest in at least a forward dash cam . One recent incident that sticks in my mind was when I was leaving work at about 1am . I overtook a slow moving car on dual carriageway at 50mph. It promptly overtook me ,swerved in front of me without indicating & slammed on the anchors ! I did a successful emergency stop but was shaken . They sped off naturally. No cops anywhere ..
Shaun W I really would, Iv had front dash for 3 years now and wouldn’t drive my car without one now. I’m going to upgrade to front and back dash soon. They don’t cost much for half decent ones and can be used as evidence to convict dangerous drivers if its supported in your area. If someone puts you and your family in danger, don’t get angry and make it worse, get even and submit footage to the police, that’s how you get revenge that will really hurt aggressive drivers 😆
You probably will get treated with more respect if you put a sticker in the back window with a cctv cam on it.
@Master Plan Fraud maybe?
As a driving instructor myself you tend to get tailgated in the rain alot. The 4 second rule goes out the window. If possible i will pull up or get my pupil to go a different way. One thing we instructors can't control is when a pupil hits tge break hard. Another great video Ash. Be safe.
People ignore the 4 second rule because a lot of people WILL overtake and jump in that gap. People keep doing this so your progress dwindles. It is better to maintain a 2 second gap and look further ahead for potential issues.
This looks more like a habit than intimidation.
I have a relative who is a serial tailgater. But there is zero malice, he's in no rush and is calm like someone who is providing the correct spacing. It's just a terrible habit he has. (He is trying to improve)
Tailgaters who are trying to intimidate usually come with hand gestures, angry facial expressions, shouts, screams, horns and flashing lights. If you can see that the tailgater is chill with none of the above then it's most likely a bad habit.
Just curious, does your relative mind when other people tailgate him?
@@dgphi Never heard him complain. To be honest I think he was oblivious to the fact.
Edit: Oblivious like how some people don't understand why some large vehicles will indicate left but stay in the right lane to turn.
That's interesting. I get "one speed willys" tailgating me in a 30 then dropping back in a 50, because they just want to go 40 EVERYWHERE.
I had exactly this conversation with one of my students today during their lesson.
Learner drivers often assume that the person behind is automatically annoyed because they're following a learner. It's actually a small minority that behave like idiots on purpose.
Peter Marshall I’ve been driving for nearly a year now, and I still have the mindset that every behind me is annoyed.
Now imagine looking at similar rear view footage of tailgating, only you're on a bike - no crumple zones, no airbags.. tailgating is careless & dangerous.
If they braked suddenly and that bus hit them I don't think airbags would do much good tbh. they are bloody heavy
@TheDailyBiker Well thats OK - they're tailgaters, they're already too close. Slower speed = reduced impact risk due to physics and and increased thinking time
Biggest peeve as a biker - 15mph skid risk areas usually after they redress a road surface.
No cars ever comply with it. As a biker who knows how bloody slippery diesel, oil and those road surfaces are due to previous lessons learned the hard way, I do.
But every single time, You can guarantee I'll get a HGV or car right up my arse, when it only takes a little looser than expected road surface and my front wheel will wash out and land me on the floor in the blink of an eye, they've no chance of stopping if I do, I'll be run over by them.
Seriously; What would the management of the bus company prefer?
A. Their driver falling half a minute behind schedule?
or
B. Having a massive lawsuit against them from the bus passengers, driving instructor and pupil all because the bus has crashed into the learner car because the bus driver driving to close to that learner car because that bus driver was trying to stay on schedule?
The problem is it's the driver wanting to keep moving. If they're late or don't finish a route on-time, they'll have to work overtime to finish, which lets be honest most people want to finish work on-time. It doesn't justify it at all, but that's what it's like.
Bus driver is sorely in need of some driver, refresher training ie. The dynamics of how larger, heavy vehicles, react on wet roads, when too close to the vehicle in front and having to suddenly pull up or brake?
Needs a universal credit application form more like.
People are not taking into account the much more commanding view of the road in front of the vehicle in front you get from a van, 4×4, bus, coach or lorry or the distance the vehicle in front is leaving clear in front of them so they're very highly unlikely to brake hard except perhaps for a pigeon.
''less lightly'' still more serious consequences if anything unexpected happens and it's still totally inconsiderate and unnecessary, what's a few extra meters progress other than to pressure people to accelerate a bit faster than there comfortable too right there and then. It's the extra stress in the environment that will build up and cause accidents at some point, if not between them right there and then it still can easily have a knock on effect and at some point down the line will make a less lightly situation more lightly to happen. If someone is going too slow should give a light tap on the horn a few times rather than tailgate like a twat.
@@marklittler784 erm... people don't need to take into account the "much more commanding" view of the road - if the learner car brakes hard because someone ran out in the road or whatever, the bus is in the back of the learner.
@@GaffaTV In the last million miles I don't recall anyone braking for nothing, people rarely fall from bridges or buildings into the road or come out of manholes, however people do brake for pidgeons or last minute lane changes or suddenly deciding to turn which are all rather predictable. An unladen bus or lightly laden bus can have tremendous stopping abilities especially considering the brakes are designed to cope with it being fully laden which it ever rarely is.
First (ever) speed ticket since 1983 last week. Attending SA course next week, but I’m already sticking to posted speed limits (as I should) and have been tailgated almost every time since I’ve stuck to 30/40/50 limits. Never brake check, but always slightly slow down, as suggested, in order to “lessen risk”, as advised by you Ashley. Works a treat to be fair👍
I am sure you can get away with 32, 44, 55 for those ones.
They’re the drivers who blame everyone else other than themselves if they cause a collision.
Have you spoken to every single bus driver in the world who has just caused an accident?? No you haven't, so dont exaggerate
And I think you'll find car drivers blame bus drivers for every stupid and dangerous action they do, and as a bus driver of 17 years I'm not defending this bus driver at all. Good and bad drivers out there in all types of vehicles.
Yup - I imagine this guy would be like "what ya playing at, why did you stop so suddenly???"
While I completely agree with your point Ashley, if I leave anything more than 2 or 3 car lengths in front of me the some idiot will pull out on me, overtake or find another way to fill the "reasonable" gap.
If I then slowed to create another reasonable gap I'd eventually end up stopping completely while everyone else carried on driving abysmally around me.
Ever tried creating a reasonable gap on the M25... completely impossible.
Please note I'm talking about your 4 seconds comment not the tail gating which is just stupid in every situation.
I think his 4 seconds is for a bus in the rain as they are very heavy, have rubbish breaks and therefore take ages to pull up, not sure how accurate it is but I can believe it. And my God, even leaving a 1 and a half second gap and some idiot behind you will start driving like you aren't there. So many cars on country roads that I commute on don't even leave a car space at 50-60, then once they go past the car they don't want to go faster.... how these people get by without crashing more often is beyond me, absolute bunch of chancers.
A few years ago, I was a CBT motorcycle instructor. My pupil was riding in front of me at 30 mph in a 30 limit. Next thing, I see a single-decker bus loom into view in my mirrors. It kept pace about three feet from my rear number plate. This continued for about a mile before the bus pulled into a "stop". I took the initiative to speak to the driver while passengers were getting on and off and asked the question as to the stopping distance of his bus at 30 mph. I was informed that if me and my pupil weren't up to it we should go and "practice" elsewhere away from public roads!! At which, a passenger got up and informed the driver he fitted the description of many a "W**ker" who tailgate and put other road users at risk. Good man. The point was though, what did the bus driver gain by driving in such a manner? Not a jot.
Paul Hebblethwaite why have you put stop in inverted commas?
@@EnterShikari01Is that better?
Paul Hebblethwaite I just didn’t get why you put stop as in bus stop in inverted commas lol
@@EnterShikari01 I was relating an incident and maybe my grammar wasn't too good. What do you have to say about ignorant bus drivers who drive too close to the vehicle in front? lol!!!
Paul Hebblethwaite that he’s an idiot, but I don’t believe it was malicious
When you get 'tailgated' go slower as you need longer to brake safely, and to piss them off! 😂😂
hello there Tut, tut. A word of advice, dont ever admit to trying to piss them off, as that makes you complicit. Stick to needing additional breaking room. And Ashley, really, liking this kind of comment without commenting.
@@purpleturtle8841 How is going slower close to brake checking? If I want to go slower to have more braking room then am I brake checking?
@@purpleturtle8841 It really isn't, you can clearly see "to piss them off" was added on as a joke.
@@computerpro5341 I only meant it as a joke. Your aim when driving is not to piss people off, just get to where you need safely.
@@nadim2769 Was pretty clear to me you meant it as a joke xd
As an ex-bus/coach driver, I am in agreement with you totally. Way too close for the safety of all and also the comfort of his passengers. Tailgating is rife these days from cars/vans/buses etc, and you are treated to this dangerous driving simply by having the bare faced cheek to drive to the conditions and speed limit. The consequences of an 8 ton min bus ploughing into the rear of your 1-series is not going to end well. I applaud you on your vlogs which I always watch, and I pick up little tips even though I passed my car licence in 1982 and catD bus in 1999. Thankyou
Thanks for the heads up and perspective Ashley.
I myself am I bus driver and I'm yet to come across any learners that cause me "to be late", at the end of the day I go back and think to when I was learning in a car and I give them as much time and room as they need
It's when the person behind you doesn't and jumps the queue.
I drive trucks (class 2) for a living and this morning at work I was over taken for doing 30 in a 30 limit and undertaken on a roundabout. People will do anything to get ahead of a truck. It's funny though because almost 90% of the time i catch them up again because they are stuck behind someone else doing the speed limit or stuck behind another truck.
It's funny when people want to get around my bus (limited to 56) and get to the red light first while I use my retarder to roll up and never need to stop.
My only defence of someone overtaking a large vehicle just to be in front (assuming it is done legally and safely) is that your vision is impaired when behind one. It can make driving more difficult as potential hazards and the overall feel of the road become obscured.
@@samuelwilliams9371 you know if you drop back and leave a bigger gap to the vehicle in front you can see better, it also gives more room for braking so if you can't see something in front of a truck you'll still have room to stop.
Saw a woman this morning go over a pedestrian crossing on red and tailgate a learner to the next set of lights.
She had her 8 year old daughter in car with her. I wound down my window, pointed out what she had done and asked her “What are you like, doing that?” She told me to “STFU....”
I was a bus driver for 11 years. There is nothing to defend, he should have his bus license taken off him! Not only is he risking your life’s, but the passengers wouldn’t stay in their seats if he had to slam his brakes on. A real risk to everybody! He shouldn’t be aloud to hold a professional driving position!
Totally agree and as a seasoned bus driver myself I say it's an absolute disgrace that he followed too closely.
The other day I was behind a lorry and about 2 or 3 cars gap in front. There I then noticed a big Mercedes van get closer and closer to me. I was like, why are you getting closer? What benefit does that have to you? I ain't going any faster or wanting to take over anytime soon mate.
I ever so slowly lifted my foot from the accelerator to leave myself a bit more of a gap from me and the lorry while the van behind was still tail gating me. Reason I left a bugger gap was because it started to rain and my car is from 2003 so it's alot older than most cars and my car obviously doesn't have all new upto date fancy braking systems. So I had to allow myself that extra room just incase.
Now at this point I could tell that the van driver behind was getting annoyed as he started flashing me. What did I do? Nothing. Just laughed at him. I'm doing nothing wrong.
Good point, I drove in South america my old 1991 car. No ABS etc. And that reason here in UK I keep my distances like you. I will be very happy driving in front or behind you. We can drive and enjoy. No stress
I always recall driving a sports car at 30mph through a village, an older gentleman driver in a small hatchback was tailgating whilst gesticulating at me. As soon as national speed limit came I just put my foot down and disappeared like he was stood still. Amusingly, the car behind the tailgater immediately over took him. It sticks in my memory because to this day I can't imagine why anyone would tailgate a sports car like that in a small, slow hatchback. So it's not just learner drivers that suffer from tailgating!
Just as you say "car length" the silver car behind the bus must be about 2 feet behind it!
I'm a bus driver and there's no way I'm going to defend this guy's driving. Even if he kept a minimum of a two second gap he would have passengers thrown out of their seats should he have to do an emergency stop. We've been told to keep a minimum of four seconds to cut down that risk.
I don't think the bus full of people can stop in 2 seconds as a car could. I think some loaded hgv's could take 6 seconds and they have 6 meters (if that!) from one another...
Sadly, where I’m from this is absolutely typical of the vast majority of bus drivers. Having said that, last week my student was doing a RPP and a bus entered the road. He stopped well back from us and didn’t harass my student at all. Even waited until we were completely in the bay, even though he had room. When he passed us he gave her a great big smile and thumbs up. We need more drivers like that on the roads, then maybe our death toll wouldn’t be up 50% so far on this time last year.
I passed my test a month ago and the difference in how I'm treated now I'm not in a learner car is night and day. No one is in a rush to get in front of me now even though I'm still a novice and still learning about road etiquette, I'm shown respect on the roads. If i select the wrong gear for the speed I'm doing and the car jolts, the person behind me usually backs off a bit. When i did that as a learner I'd get tailgated, beeped at or overtaken. Give learners a break.
I’d like know what the bus companies stance on this incident is.
Unfortunately the roads are becoming lawless
When I do 20 in a 20 there's an average of 17 cars tailgating me.
@@popsterone3530 Or there isn't, there's a campaign in my city (Norwich) to reduce the limit on all roads to 20mph. They've started randomly dropping speed limits all over the city often on large open roads. Though I've noticed people now ignore all 20 limits including the ones which had reasons before like near schools or in the city centre.
Because 20 is a ridiculous speed limit and largely unsafe because they have led to a higher proportion of road deaths. But it’s too costly to reverse. I usually go about 24-25 in a 20. That’s a reasonable speed for keeping momentum and keep good progress.
@@EnterShikari01 I often go over to like 24mph because my car hates 20 I just don't have a gear for it 2nd revs high and 3rd chugs. Maybe it's because most UK cars are foreign and built for kmh.
KWL Games have you tried 1st 😂
@@EnterShikari01 hmmm maybe I should try 5th or 6th instead or this gear labelled "R" must stand for race or something.
Any suggestion that a road junction is clear because there is no traffic on it is an absolute false assumption if there is a vehicle in front of you because they will get to the junction first. It is easy to forget that they are there. A typical scenario would be where you have a SUV, van or commercial vehicle with the drivers eyes much higher than a car following a car or sports car. The commercial/van driver can see over low hedges but a car driver might not have that view and need to either slow or stop. So one stops the other does not.
Hi Ashley, you know what I do for a living because of my previous posts on your videos. If this was a driver in my area he would be finding himself back in training, possibly with his job on the line for this sort of behaviour. He is, as you said, breaking the four second separation rule in the wet and is using the size of his vehicle to intimidate other drivers. Totally unacceptable and going against everything we teach them whilst in training. There is NO defence for this sort of driving!! Great video and spot on analysis of this idiot bus driver!!
Hi Gary. There are bad eggs everywhere, and hopefully by putting out clips like this it might be a deterrent to others. As I always say we all need to look at ourselves, so a video on the poor level of driving instructors is on its way! I don’t think I’ll be getting many Christmas cards this year 😬 Ashley.
Ashley Neal can't wait for that one Ashley. There's a few ADI's round here who's own driving leaves a lot to be desired.
Ashley Neal That would definitely be good to see!! We’re all only human after all and we all cock it up royally now and then!! 🤣
I had a coach behind me coming up to a roundabout. I stopped in the traffic cue and the driver behind got closer and closer.
I looked in my wing mirror and looked at him. He was looking down at his lap, then up, then down again. And did this multiple times.
I Could only surmise he was playing with his phone. I don't know how heavy the average coach is so I made a note of the reg and his appearance, pulled over and parked, rang the company of the coach and they couldn't care less.
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I don't know why this should surprise me but it does.
As a learner I get nervous if I happen to see a face of the driver of the car behind me. It gives me an impression that they are too close and makes me risk with my decisions, especially choosing safe gaps when turning and speed. I know we are all busy (supposedly) but you must have been learners yourselves 😥
Unfortunately I find most drivers have no comprehension of the words “too close” lol. Tailgating is a serious problem here, really needs tougher penalties because it’s irritating and dangerous
And I'll bet you do enough tailgating yourself.
@@markcaldwell2831 no need to be so rude. And no, I don't.
@@thecrypt5747 "too closer" is easy to calculate, assuming you passed year 1 maths
My local bypass Road was changed from 60 to 50 a few years ago due a fatal accident, but people's attitudes haven't changed I still get followed too close.
As a learner, i don’t go particularly slow and always try to match the speed limit when it is safe to do so, but all it takes for some people is the sight of an L plate (regardless of your speed) and they’re instantly tailgating or considering overtaking.....
Poor driving from the bus driver, bad enough to do that to anyone let alone a learner. I saw the same thing a few weeks ago where I live down south, a big double decker bus tailgating a learner like this. It's not only dangerous for the obvious reason of a collision if you had to brake hard, but when you tailgate someone like that it's puts them under pressure and their mind is worrying about the bus behind, not what's going on in front of them.
That bus IS way too close, I hate tail gaiters, and have them pretty much every journey
In Australia, I think most drivers respect learners. They always give way to me and overtake respectfully. Empathy is good!
Your not from Sth Aust are you.lol.
As a fairly new driver with black box insurance I often find myself being tailgated for doing the exact speed limit
There's a road I drive on just as I come off a motorway slip road that's 30mph with a speed camera ahead and I've either got someone tailgating me right up my backside while doing 28/29mph and people overtaking in the right lane.
Most people from my city say that the speed camera is never working, so they think this justifies them exceeding the 30mph limit.
Great video mate! Your right , he ain’t getting anywhere quicker! And in that rain!!! He’s asking for trouble
10t of bus is a lot of weight on the tyres. much of that would be the engine. Meanwhile a car is ~1t
I was driving down a 2 lane highway with a 50 mph limit and the road was about an 8 minute drive with sharp S bends and corners and I was being tailgated by a gigantic lorry. At one point he was so close that when I looked through my rear view mirror I couldn’t even see his headlights as his lorry was so wide and he was close. If I had braked even slightly he wouldn’t annihilated us. It was safe to say I was holding my breath and clenching the steering wheel the entire time lol, I don’t understand why people treat learners like scum.
I work for a large bus company in Liverpool, I drive buses as well as represent drivers, I would never condone tailgating like that and there is no excuse for it, we carry the most precious cargo in the world. I have to be really careful here but some schedules adopted by bus companies can encourage this sort of driving. It costs roughly £100,000 p/a to put a bus on the road (2.5 drivers wages + running/maintenance costs), so the less buses you put on a route, the more money you make, however the less buses there are on a route the tighter the time between timing points. I am forever telling drivers to slow down but human nature tells us when a target is put in front of us, we tend to aim for it Although we are never penalised for running late, pressure is put on you to ‘keep the service going’ and unfortunately this will always lead to poor driving in the video above.
Omg yes THANK YOU! I just bought my first dashcam and yeah things look further away than they are, I've watched footage back on mine that seemed quite bad at the time but doesn't look that bad on dashcam 🤦♀️
You should do a video on vans. I find the van drivers worst than the BMW and AUDI ones.
Im used to being tailgated at this rate but since I am only student who has to look after themselves financially with a black box, also been previously caught around the corner with a speeding gun in a low speed limit road, i learned its just not worth being pushed. Theres a road in Liverpool which is only 20mph near a school but the road is quite long and wide, some will back off but others will close the gap, overtake me when an oncoming car is coming and they have to slow down.
I guess cause most people will pressure young or newer drivers when they become impatient even though u will save 1 or 2 minutes at most if that no exaggeration.
it is verry unconfortable for the pupil when somebody tailgates
As a learner, when a car does it, it's like, OK, I se you, mate, but whatever.
A bus or a lorry, different story. I can feel my knuckles go white at the steering wheel and I'm an "advanced" learner (taking my test soon). Buses, in particular, I find almost always drive way too close. Honestly, more often then not the tailgating I see is way worse then depicted in this video. It's pretty often where I can't see their reg.
In one of Reg Local's Advanced Driving videos (doing my advanced course in the new year) on commentary driving, he talks about people that pull out in front of you will often turn off within half a mile; so if someone pulls out on you on your advanced test, you can use this as a prediction "I anticipate that that vehicle will turn off in half a mile" to give you 'Brownie Points' with the examiner. After Reg pointing this out, I started to notice, whilst this is not always the case, there is a pattern with people doing this.
Now to get to my point. Having started to notice the above pattern, I began to watch the behaviour of tailgaters and realised that often they too will turn off within a half a mile.
Doing 30 in a 30, person pulls out doing 20 only to pull in at the next available junction. It also depends on the vehicle as well.
They judge you by speed and vehicle.
What ever happened to the two second rule. I hope you reported that bus driver to his employer and the police, it might just remind him he is LICENSED to drive.
@@nocturn791 Ideally should be even more with a bus
Was overtaking on a carriageway last week and getting tailgate by a lorry who was flashing me aswel. It was a 50mph average camera check aswel. I let him pass because I’m not getting stressed out because of bad drivers. I passed him when it changed to 70 again smiling as I left the carriageway and he stayed on and hit a shit ton of traffic.
I used to get tailgated a lot. Now I've fitted a dash cam, I go through my videos at the end of my journey, note down the registration of tailgaters or dangerous drivers, and report them to the police. So far, I've reported 9 people in the last 2 months and I will keep reporting them until there is something done about it because tailgating is deliberate and dangerous and tailgaters must not be on the road.
You can see he’s too close by how fast the cones are passing the gap between you and the bus. Iv been noticing how aggressive some bus drivers are becoming. Even on tight roads they refuse to slow down to help keep close passes safe. Unfortunately a bus driver near me found out the hard way last year driving past the shops up the road, he ran over an o.a.p at fairly high speed. He was arrested on the spot for causing death by dangerous driving. if your supposed to be a professional driver probably best to drive a bit more professionally.
As a driver of the same type of bus I will both defend and not defend the driver. Firstly I am well agreed on the fact that he is driving too closely. Secondly I can say the type of bus being driven tend to have touchy accelerators and brakes but that is something you probably wouldn't know. Finally leading on from the last point the driver should be aware of the touchiness of the vehicle so should be a lot more careful when following any vehicles especially learner drivers which at least when I took my pcv I was told to add 30-50% of the normal following distance.
As a bus driver myself, he is driving way too close and he needs to factor in wet weather, the weight of extra passengers causes the braking distance to increase. He's obviously running late and trying to bully you off the road. What the point in causing an accident he's still going to get paid if he's late or not!!!
I passed my test a couple of days ago and i was driving to work this morning and this car was really close to me. Really really close. And it was like he was late for work or something and he wanted me to hurry up but i would be going over the speed limit if I went faster. Anyway i got a bit nervous and ended up stalling at the traffic lights. So i guess his plan to hurry me backfired. Please give people with L and P plates some space.
Stop messing with the bus drivers because they are all they on the road and you don't know how they feel from their perspective. I don't understand guys why are you messing with the bus drivers these days it's sooo stressful!!
I once was in a bus that had to make a full stop, I don't remember why so I don't blame the driver.
The bus was just driving off and was at low speed 10-20kmh and went into full brakes. The journey was immediately over as one lady was severly bleeding and another one fell on the ground and broke her hips.
Would he be driving within a second of the car ahead in the wet if he had an assessor alongside him, no chance.
Your last comment Ashley, "Does he really think he will get to his next stop quicker?" I've thought the same when I see buses shooting through red traffic lights! Aren't these meant to be public service vehicles following an estimated time table?! So what if they are 20 seconds late!
Buses are never 20 seconds late. It'll be on time, 5-10 minutes late or so late it's not even worth calling it "late." Every second past the time the driver gets to the last stop is another second they lose of their break at the end of the route. Sometimes bus drivers like to drive recklessly to get to the final stop 2-3 minutes early, and then leave 5 minutes late, which they can make up en route.
Bus drivers don't drive fast for the benefit of their passengers!!
@@dxnnyk1411last comment, yes, very true! While I drive a car, on one specific route near me, I notice 4 buses converge on their way into Liverpool. Usually the buses actually drive past stops that have people waiting at them, "because another bus will be along soon!"
Also worth noting the traffic behind the bus doing the same thing. I do hope our Road Safety Partnership are subscribed to your channel, Ashley. Great overtake of the cyclist by the way :-)
Statistics show at built up area speed your car will travel 6 car lengths before it stops in the event of someone emergency braking in front of you based on good conditions in the wet you would double the distance .gives you some idea regarding the bus.
I passed my test last week with 2 minors! Thank you!!
I may be in the wrong here....but I was in a Skoda citygo car (small car) and merged from two lanes into one lane with 30Mph speed limit. I stuck to 30Mph but the big Toyota pickup truck that was now behind me started to tailgate me for a while with only a few feet gap (i kid you not) as he wanted to make me go faster. So as traffic was moderate just outside the town and I slowed down o 25Mph then 20Mph, he then weaved around going side to side, so I soon entered a 40Mph zone and I drove at 30 - 35Mph as traffic in front was starting to build up so slowed down to 30Mph to increase the gap to the van in front to 8 seconds gradually from 4 seconds, he still was kissing my bumper, we soon went our different ways. The roads were slightly wet and light was dim given it was 07:30 in Tewkesbury, Gloucestershire UK. Was I right in doing this or not?
Henry Smith Not much more you could do, but if you really start to feel intimidated by how close they are, just pull over and let them go, or take a left somewhere and go round the block to joint the same road further up (but by that time, long behind them). It’ll cost you a few seconds on your journey, but the hours on the phone and filling in insurance forms are better avoided, even when its not your fault. If you really cant go anywhere, a quick blip of the hazard lights sometimes has the desired effect, but often they just wonder what YOU are doing (rather than even consider questioning their own driving). A CityGo is small, but still capable of full motorway speeds, so as long as you pull into reasonable gaps without forcing people to brake, get up to speed promptly (which even a CityGo is capable of if you use the gas and gears properly) and drive to the speed limit when appropriate, then you’re doing nothing wrong - its all on them. If anyone thinks you should accelerate faster, or go quicker, then stick a GT saloon up their ar$e and let them know what quick really means; then Toyota pick ups are slow!
@@andyowens5494 It never crossed my mind to be fair to turn off or even pull over. I shell do this next time it happens..and it will. Be safe
And coming off that first roundabout they had to accelerate to close that gap, so the suggestion some made on the previous video about buses taking a long time to slow down or something similar is impossible there.
I'd love to see a tailgater tailgating an unmarked police car. That'd be funny to watch lol.
I've seen it. Police car turned on his blues and the reaction of the tailgater was priceless! Ironically, he hit his brakes so hard, he almost caused an accident by swerving into the next lane!
Iv never under stood why people drive fast and do that when there at work. There being paid to do a job and keep passengers safe. I admit I get stressed at driving but when I’m paid to do a job it’s different.
They're also paid to get to their destination on time, I've never worked for a bus company but I imagine managers put pressure on the drivers to make sure they do arrive on time.
@@collinslfc If they're late they have to do overtime to finish the route. It's not the company, it's the fact they want to keep on schedule so they can finish on time. Sad but that's the way it has to be, there's not really an alternative, you can't just stop in the middle of a route xd
@@computerpro5341 If passengers complain that the buses are late, then the managers in the company will put more pressure on the bus drivers to arrive at their destination on time. It's all about hitting targets and it really wouldn't surprise me if managers of bus companies put this as higher priority than road safety.
@@collinslfc there is absolutely no pressure to be on time. That causes accidents. If we are late, we either cut a trip (or part of it), or put in for overtime at the end of the day. Just depends on how late we are or how much driving hours we have spare on the shift. Timetables are always put forward as advisory only, and this is made clear to the passengers when they do moan.
@@edwardlack2578 it is much different in the US. there's too much pressure on drivers. My mom was a city bus driver. It didn't matter if all the roads were iced over.
As a bus driver myself, there is absolutely NO WAY he would be able to stop a bus in time in an emergency, driving that close, no matter how good at driving he may think he is. That's ridiculous. Common sense very much required here, shocking driving.
as soon as the bus driver saw the learner car
"aw shieeeeet, here we go again"
The worst instance of tailgating I ever experienced was very recent. I was going 75mph down a 60mph country road (I know, shouldn’t have done it), when I realised a car overtaking others behind me. The next time I looked to my rear view mirror I realised this BMW was sat so close to my car that I couldn’t see its headlights. This was around 1-2am, and if I had to brake suddenly, we’d both of been dead.
I took my foot off the accelerator until we got to around 55mph and they overtook me on a bend. Absolute nob heads.
Bristol buses love to tailgate and think indicators are optional. Once the passengers have paid , they just pull out without even looking more often than not. Shocking driving .
I wholeheartedly agree I do 30 where supposed to and I get tailgated all the time. I have been driving a while ( not admitting how long ) and this can still intimidate me , when I allow it to or for whatever reason . How about you / they just get off our butt . Going back to that bus have you sent in clip to the company . On the dash cam the speed is not stated and this may help but still you are a learner and this behaviour with a so called professional driver this is not on , they have livery I would complain . 👍🥴
just shows how rediculous some drivers are. i encounter other learner drivers and i give them space so they have time to think. i do that for them and im still a learner driver
how can anyone defend that behaviour he is clearly using his large vehicle to intimidate here, sad-great content as always Ashley
Was just about to comment he didn’t seem that close until you mentioned about the camera lens
Despiciable of the bus driver to be doing that. Even again further up the road, later on! He'd soon be picking on the wrong person as there are many-a snowflakes on the roads.
Another thing that gets me and has suddenly got popular is that when approaching stationary traffic, the people behind you either like to sit an inch from your bumper (almost touching when reviewing the rear wide angle dashcam footage) or race up to your backside despite they can see what's ahead and see your brake lights indicating you've stopped and stop short of inches yet again. Do people really want no brakes?
He's too close and therefore driving dangerously, especially considering it's a driving instructor car. However, I'm going to question whether he is to blame or is it the company he works for that puts pressure on their drivers to make sure they arrive at the stops on time and their destination above road safety; or else face disciplinary action? If passengers have put in complaints about buses arriving late, then I can imagine the company put pressure on the drivers to get there faster, just something to factor in which may explain a bus driver driving more aggressively.
If that is the case, the driver need to explain the expectations are impossible to accomplish to the.company, in the end, any accident with company pressure or not will be his fault.
@@DGQ1Q2 That's easy to say from the outside, not so easy when it's your job on the line.
@@collinslfc ok, but if the driver go to the court. The law will go against him, no against of the company. In my humble opinion, I will work, but try to find another job meantime. Maybe another route, inclusive in the same company. The same for pilots, doctors.
When I was at school, our school bus driver kept going on 2 wheels round a certain corner. At the time it was fun but now, I think he should have been fired.
I'm a bus driver and I'm not defending him, but do you not think you driving to slow and riling the driver when you knew it was the same one. I've had that in my time. You are going on about tailgating,what about when other drivers cut buses up you forget we have passengers on and their safety is paramount to the job. I bet you don't even drive a bus, you should try it and see how you get on, my instructor told me that I would see some bad driving and he wasn't wrong.
Thomas Storie is driving at the speed limit too slow?
@@ashley_neal No but you have to realise sometimes it's necessary to keep up with time tables that's probably why he was speeding. That is partly the reason why I don't drive service buses anymore because at the end of the day it's your license that's at stake.
People showing their anger against learners make more faults than the learners themselves
In a similar way, people who overtake only to turn down a side road a few hundred yards up the road.....what is that all about?
I’ve been tailgated on a single carriageway whilst doing 60mph by a flatbed truck who’s speed limit was 50mph. Also on a 50mph duel carriageway By a 40 ton LGV while I was in the outside lane overtaking other vehicles. When I pointed at the speed limit sign the driver just shrugged his shoulders and gave me the finger as if to say get out of the way it doesn’t apply to me. I feel there isn’t enough speed cameras, traffic light cameras or even cameras to catch drivers on the phone. To many drivers get away with a lot of dangerous and illegal driving.
Hello, can you do a video on L plate (CBT 125CC) motorcycles and how people treat them on UK roads? I feel like people are more likely to break my right of way when overtaking/pulling out etc etc even if I'm doing the speed limit.
Tbh the bus driver might be late. Mans got dead lines
Passenger safety and road safety come before timekeeping every time. Running late is no excuse for poor driving by a professional driver. He will have traffic controllers at his depot who are paid to worry about and re-schedule late buses. (I know this as I am a bus driver, with 25 years experience.)
@@Steven11663 My Dad was a bus driver for 20 years and he had a tracker that recorded what he did and if he did not keep up with the program then he would be fired. In my dad's case he is a safe driver and just brakes hard in the last hour of work to piss the machine of but all i'm saying is a stressed out worker who is being pushed may go closer and it may not be his fault but the company he works for. Just saying we don't know his life story.
@@aabatteryaa3418 At the end of the day, the bus driver is responsible for his vehicle. Nobody, including the company he/she works for, can force him/her drive recklessly or to break the law. A bus driver's primary concern is the safety and comfort of his/her passengers, and the safety of other road users. If this means the bus runs late, so be it. It's up to the depot controllers to sort out.
I give three seconds even at slow speeds. Too close and there is no room for me to react or pass.
I'm a bus driver and yes - this driver is pretty ridiculous. If he followed any other vehicle like that and said vehicle hit the brakes sharply then all his passengers would be laying strewn across the floor, and maybe half his bus would have ended up in the car's boot.
Buses always try to race me
On my motorbike 🤣🤣 and then when we pull up next to each other just have a laugh but everyone scares me
As a bus driver, I would say that the safe distance for a bus is about two bus lengths. So this driver acting unsafely... again.
I strongly suspect that the bus driver always drives like that, not just when behind a learner.
As a bus driver, I can’t defend this whatsoever.
That bus company is the worst HTL travel they employ dangerous drivers who are not safe on the roads...also he shouldn't of even been coming from the way he did by the pear tree...he should of came from the way you did...so clearly skipping the route
..hope you reported him
I hate tailgators, they have no sense for just how dangerous it is to be that close. Its even worse on the motorways though. This past weekend i drove to Glasgow and back from the midlands, and had so many people only a couple of feet from my bumper. Makes me wish i had a rear view dash cam, because i would have sent the footage into you for your analysis. It would make a good talking point. At 70mph, its a disaster waiting to happen. The worst offenders ive found by far though, are lorry drivers in 50mph speed restrictions during the motorway roadworks. Its terrifying have that big of vehicle riding your bumper through an area already at increased risk from the roadworks themselves. And while your already in the left lane doing 50mph, there is just nothing you can do to get out of the situation, just have to hope they change to the middle lane and overtake. Its utter lunacy.
Granted its a bit unsafe but not terribly unsafe, buses can stop quite hard, but it's more stupid, as being close means no wiggle room, if car in front slows down then you have to slow down immediately, not gradually let off gas and absorb speed change..
I really hope he doesn't drive like that with standing passengers!
Limits are becoming advisory and the roads are full of idiots. Stopping distances don't exist it's just a matter of how many car lengths you feel comfortable with.
People tailgate me when I slow down for speed bumps
Way too close.
I drive a bus for a living and can't defend that sort of driving.