How People Treat Driving School Vehicles | The Bus Driver
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ก.ย. 2024
- The "L" Plates that have to be displayed on a driving school vehicle when a provisional licence holder is in control means you should be expecting mistakes and you should drive around them appropriately. This bus driver doesn't do anything of the like.
Dash Camera Affiliate Links.
Car - Viofo - viofouk.co.uk/...
Motorcycle - Innov - innovv.co.uk/a...
Motorcycle, Bicycle and Equestrian - Techalogic - techalogic.co....
Social Media
www.ashleyneal...
/ ashleynealdrivinginstr...
ashleysanalysis@gmail.com
Amazon Links
Sony a6400 Camera - amzn.to/2xVCrn0
Sony A7C Camera - amzn.to/3JUvUIa
Tascam DR-10L Microphone - amzn.to/3M8P0fd
Sony FDR X3000 Action Camera - amzn.to/2YVoPDh
#drivinglesson #drivingtest #education
![Warhammer 40k: Space Marine 2 | เพื่อจักรพรรดิ ! [ตอนเดียวจบ]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/4M0ckYMA4-U/mqdefault.jpg)
Getting impatient with a learner is like getting mad with a kid who can’t walk yet for falling down. No one was born with the ability to drive. Treat every learner driver with respect, the alternative to a learner being on the road is driving without a license/ insurance. What’s worse, giving a learner a bit of room, or having yourself or a family member injured by someone who hasn’t been taught properly. People who hate learners are seriously dumb if they don’t realise this. This bus driver needs to be reported.
I don't think he hates the learner, I think that's just how he drives the buss
Yeah maybe.... But when you have 45 clients to do in a day with your delivery truck and you're stuck behind slow people it can be very frustrating. Not the learners fault of course, and this exemple is a bus, and the fault really, is to the employer giving us impossible amount of clients to do in a single day that we're always on the GO GO GO. You start the job thinking youll be all nice and shit but then you get overwhelmed by stress. I work a delivery job where I dont just deliver, but also need to chat with client, check his inventory, manage his account and needs and all that. I work in a big city where traffic and construction is always there. But here you have my boss telling me I need to do 35-45 clients in that day. Those are 12 hours shift and then I have to drive back cause its illegal for me to be on the road more than 13 hours. Keeping my job rely solely on how happy the clients are and these clients dont care about anything else than receiving their products.
I found myself in the same situation as that bus driver more than once. I am not like that with my personal vehicle, I dont even drive past the limit. What is to blame is this fucking culture of always needing to work more and fast and employers giving us an ever mounting loads of things to do especially when driving on the road. It really fucking gets to us and it isnt easy.
@@HoboTango and because so many people fall for this shit It will never change, everyone hates this but no one will do something about it, if all drivers would drive safely than stuff wouldnt get there in time, only because the mayority does this it has consequences on people who doesnt, but egoism in humans is the worst and they will never understand
Ngl ever since I got behind the wheel I’ve driven fine so. Some people are but you’re still correct about everything ese
the difference is that kid aint gonna try and walk for first time on a busy footpath taking half of it for itself. But again you cannot learn how to drive in confinment of your home...
its a tricky situation where both sides are in a way right. Learner is simply trying to do its best and anyone had to do trought it but at the same time its aint no fault of another person on a road so they should not be forced to deal with it...
People hate learners even though they were learners at 1 point
We all hate ourselves
The only people that hate learners, are the ones that somehow managed to get their license but are still worse than the average learner driver.
I don't mind coming across learners. I just make sure to give them lots of space and not rush them in any way
People are a-holes. Exactly
Just about to say that, been learning for almost 12 months now and I empathise with other learners starting out if and when I'm behind one, its nerve wrecking enough without having a bus up your arse.
He was so patient and was teaching so calmly. Kudos to the instructer.
What a kudos?
I wish my first istructor would have been like this when I started learning how to drive. I got a guy who was a bus driver as a second job and he hated his job bc he had to work with beginner drivers he was Impatien agressive and unforgiving with his students. Had failed at his side 2 times had to go over to another instructor to have a chance at passing because he wasn't giving me anything aside from phobia of driving.
@@sendosnu9814 like an award mentally, like saying "well done"
@@f3vats that's terrible. I had a really impatient piano teacher who screamed at me and would get mad if i couldn't do something after like 3 tries. I would cry after every lesson and it was such a bad place for me mentally. Being 12, I couldn't speak back. I'm glad covid hit, because i had a great long break from him.
@@sendosnu9814 kudos has the same meaning as the word "respect to ****".... u could also say its the same as the word "congrats"
As a bus driver myself, it annoys me seeing others do this… when I see a learner ahead of me for example I’ll just hang well back for the reasons you stated and buses take longer to stop because of the weight
I've experienced emergency stops in a bus as a passenger a couple of times and they can stop incredibly quickly, it's more the discomfort of passengers risking getting flung through the windshield should they be standing and not holding on to something along with people getting launched out of their seat into the seat in front of them that's the bigger problem if you ask me.
That said, the company we now have emphasises on smooth driving and at times has drivers driving 35-40 kilometers an hour in a region that allows for 50, and more often than not I was like "You can go faster you know?" because it feels like you are not making the same amout of progress, but each and everytime I noticed how I was at my end stop in the same time as I would with someone who drove faster, for the simple reason the slower driving busdriver did not have to brake as much for turns or when nearing a traffic light.
@@Dutch3DMaster while this is completely true, I just opt to not slow down for turns and drive at the speed limit too. Not advisable unless you have a capable vehicle lol
@@jayden4249 Heh, wouldn’t wanna do that in NZ, we have some damn near 90 degree corners that even going 50 will make a good tyre squeal especially on Saddle Road where you have sheer drops on one side and a cliff face on the other. Scariest part for me was when a truck in winter leaked deisel all over saddle and I lost traction, almost went into a head on collision with a truck going 80kmph, not fun.
@@roomert I agree, for sure. I usually slow down for those ones now, but still keep my pace in the off ramps
@@Dutch3DMaster that is true, busses can stop just as quickly as a car but like you say they shouldn’t for the simple fact passengers will go flying out of their seats…I’ve actually had it happen to me in my second week of being on the road as a bus driver, due to my still new nervousness of driving a bus and pure inexperience I was too close to a car in front of me, (also dealing with time pressure, back then trying to stay on time really bothered me, now 3-4 years into driving a bus I couldn’t give a f@ck) and this car decided at the last minute to slam the anchors on and indicate right. Which caused me to panic and slam the brakes on…and I had this one woman coming flying down the middle aisle to the front of the bus. I can still remember it vividly to this day, hence why I never let the chance for something like that to arise again.
You are a really good driving instructor!
Much appreciated 👍
Shame a lot of driving instructors are extremely paranoid that your going to crash their car even though it's insured... They really shouldn't be driving instructors if they can't handle mistakes that a LEARNER is doing. What do they expect?
I would question this statement based on this video.
First of all, why would you ever let her overtake that bus when it was clearly seen that he tried to start off. As far as I know in my country the bus has priority in cities. So that was everything but orderly.
You were lucky that the bus driver let you overtake him. Or if you do So at least do it with tempo so that noone have to wait for you.
And the problem already happened based on this move. You already stressed the bus driver with this little maneuver and you just earned to slow down the entire traffic because there is No way the bus will ever overtake you. So what I am telling is, unnecessary overtake which already stressed out others right after slowing down the entire traffic causing more stress to the bus driver And to the student because everyone wants to move while you are slowing everyone down.
Teach them not to do dumb Things like this because know she beleives that she did everything right And correct meanwhile it’s not true.
And for the last it’s my personal experience, I hate when people can be Schumachers when it comes to crossroads And thus I have to brake And he doesn’t even reach the speed limit (which I think was the same scenario in the video) And Than just stressing me out.
@@simonkalman8302 I don’t think you’re looking at this from the perspective of being a learner driver (and Ashley does say his learner is at at an early stage in her driving experience) - to you and me slowing down to let a bus out is second nature (notwithstanding that for far too many drivers it’s not something they would ever do - got to get in front of the bus) but it’s easy to forget there is quite a heavy workload involved; you need to assess how close the following traffic is, you need to be able to slow up quite quickly, which is lot of juggling controls for an inexperienced driver,. It takes quite a lot of self assurance to make that decision to slow up the often impatient traffic behind you to let slow moving buses and hgvs out, and very few learners will have that at an early stage. Ashley’s guidance and spoken analysis to his pupil was spot on here. And yes, as Ashley said, that professional bus driver let his standards drop driving like that. He forgot his duty of care to his passengers, never mind other road users. We were all learners once, give them space to learn, it’s really not going to slow up your day by anything more than seconds.
@@stevenwells5009 I was not talking about Ashley. I was talking about the isntructor. Mainly how badly the outcome was due to that overtake. And still beleives that it was a great idea. Not saying under No circumstances should it be done, but this was clearly not the case. He let her follow the other participants while this caused to stop the traffic For like 5 seconds. So I remember when I started driving. The instrictor clearly told me to keep the distance but if possible reach the speed limit which here is 50km/H in cities. Watch the red litghts and if it turns to green just go with tempo. I did accordingly. So what happenes when a bus has to slow down due to the front driver not breaks But changes the tempo due to impulses which the person cannot easily think through. The Speed of the car will drop while the bus actually has to brake to slow the vehicle down. This is what happened. The reached an “opened” road, roads from left And roads from right everything was everywhere, she was not sure what is happening meanwhile it was a clear road So she released the gas pedal. But to make the traffic flow you do the opposite. No matter really that you have a red Light in front of you. There is not just one lane. There are other participants as well. How do you know that bus would go in the direction same as yours. That shouldn’t be a reason to slowing that “they wouldn’t have reached the GREEN anyway”. Fuu. I hate that when people likely to slow down before the red 200 meters And I’d like to join the lane from the left or right And I cannot because he is just So slow that the cars behind him reach him. So this was clearly the instructors fault because its his responsibility to Tell the students what to do, And not just what to be taught.
I'm a bus driver myself, this is terrible. Thats one bad bus driver, the safety of his passengers and other road users clearly aren't his number one priority. Absolutely shocking
Me too; frightening.
@@johno4521 that drivers an accident waiting to happen.
This guy is Stan Butler compared to some of the operators I've encountered!
Likewise and agree
Agreed his driving and attitude need to be addressed.
'L' drivers ARE predictable. They are always within the speed limit, frequently stall when pulling away and tend to swing out when cornering.
They also reliably keep my drive entrance clear in queueing traffic making it easy for me to get in and out of my house!
They also know how to use a yellow box junction and indicate when leaving a roundabout.
Honestly, the majority of learner drivers are doing a good job, it's just that once you get your license you progressively forget how to drive and someone doing 25 in a 30 becomes 'unacceptable' as you do... 35?
If I'm following a learner, I try to keep my usual follow distance of 3 or 4 car lengths once up to speed.
You soon learn it can be more effective to rev your engine if people don't move away from lights promptly as blasting the horn might cause any driver to stall.
@@VoxelLoop i'll just be overtaking if possible or just calmly follow. Driving doesn't take much effort physically, why make it the case by revving your heart out on anger...
@@AwoudeX I’m currently learning now and if you want to over take me you can just do just don’t put pressure on me
I have to say that I was impressed with your calm demeanor with your student Ashley. I would seriously consider reporting the bus driver to his company, as he was putting both your student, yourself, and the bus driver's passengers at tremendous risk.
And the driver too. "That bus is doing my head in." is certainly a lot more nice and relaxed than I'd have put it.
@@brendanm6921 if a bus driver did that to me now I'd be having words 😂
A request for further driver training for sure, and possibly a recalculation of the route schedule if you are notice that drivers on the same route are regularly pressuring you and your drivers. While this is not an excuse or get out, some routes have inappropriately timed schedules that kind willed drivers might lose their break times over, which means a tired and behind schedule driver.
Even I got stressed and I was only watching. Triggers back memories of my early driving lessons with vans and BMW drivers on my tail 😭
@@maggiepp7997 Why's it always the BMW drivers? Audis and Mercedes' aren't much better either.
England: "the bus is closing, so we are not stopping now [at the lights]"
Germany: "It's the bus drivers responsibility to keep enough distance to be able to come to a stop if you stop, so don't mind him, he'd pay"
Exactly my teacher - "keep going, he has to pay, bc he caused the accident. You did everything right."
same in Italy
In France, I was taught like in England (always look in the mirror before a traffic light to know if you can/can't stop when the light suddenly turns orange)
No point being right and dead.
The obviously being rear ended at city speeds isn’t going to be too bad, but whiplash can cause permanent problems.
@@Nebs1 Sure but if it's nothing lethal - just keep going. On the highway or in Germany the Autobahn where people drive with well over 200 km/h sometimes u shouldn't act like "keep going" I hope you see where I am coming from.
can't understand what people get out of intimidating learners, they're already anxious enough as it is!
that's the point lol
@@pinchpeak5203 huh?
@@pinchpeak5203 hahahah
Kudos to the instructor, he kept his driver as calm as he could given the circumstances. A true professional
I feel like most of the dangerous drivers on the roads are people who have had their licence for decades and just don’t care about things like speed limits and other road rules. Most learners are a lot more cautious, they will stuff up but it mostly is minor things.
Absolutely. It's those "experienced" drivers that are far more likely to do things like making unpredictable turns, tailgating you, or speeding. In my experience older taxi drivers can be the worst of the bunch.
Ugh I agree.. Here in The Netherlands, if your side of the road is obstructed you need to give way to oncoming traffic. So there I was, being blocked by an old guy who thought he got to go first.. smh
I love this kinda guys, i usually pick my car with enough time to get w/e, if i get one of this "1 meter away cause im impatient", i just slow down to the point where it's legally allowed xD
Exactly... Statistically and from personal experience, full license holders are more likely to cause accidents by speeding... The amount of people I've seen speeding and driving through red is appalling.
@@clovislfrc9881 yeah, the more years you have the more experienced you become at higher speed maneuvers.
Top speed I’ve reached, 180 MPH (not KM, that’s MPH). That took me well over a decade to be comfortable reaching that.
I’ve never forgot how it felt when I was a learner and people drove too close behind me. Because of this, I always give learners more room when I encounter them.
Yep, same. Once had the windows open while coming up behind a truck waiting to go left, just like I was, and as I learned in driving school "Don't get up behind a truck like you would do with a car, because you can't see anything and might even cross a red light or worse, drive through that red light straight into someone who did not expect someone to be that close behind the truck", and kept my distance.
Next to me a driving school car waited in the lane for going straight through and I heard the instructor go "That person on the left to us probably recently got her driver's license, see how she waits much further behind that truck? It's one of the things practically everyone stops doing after getting their driver's license."
That put a smile to my face :).
I remember one time where I took a little longer than usual to get started at a roundabout (had to give way to a car already in it). After maybe 2, 3 seconds the car behind me just smashed his horn, honking multiple times. I got so nervous and stalled the car multiple times - the driving instructor said I had taken a normal amount of time to get going and that unfortunately, people are way less patient with driving school cars in his experience.
She's doing brilliantly for her first lesson!
I was SO scared when my driving teacher picked me up for the first time and told me to drive on public roads from sec 1 on - manual shifting of course.
I thought we'd drive to the training course first xD
Also the car had the shortest clutch point I have ever experienced since (BMW 1 - 2009)
He's teaching style was...tough, but fair. And it made me an exellent driver with great awareness. This is why I have 500k km on my clock today, quick but smooth and save with no accidents.
Also, it helped a lot, that my first car was crap af! (VW Polo Fox, 1992, 45hp - 500€)
THIS is a real learner car. Nothing to worry about (if you crash, no real value lost) + everything is mechanical and you learn to understand how cars actually work.
When you control such an old car perfectly, every modern car is a walk in the park.
100 percent agree same story here. I drive a Mitsubishi colt with 170k km which was thoroughly abused. Made me a better driver than most my friends because its a shit box
@@moritzw.8991 Nice to hear that :)
He oida, warum sehe ich dich unter jedem Video was ich mir ansehe ??? das ist maximal creepy hahaha
same first car was a mazda 626 from 94, had a crash and didnt lose much money, if it would've been a more expensive car i would be in ruins now
You're right! Driving a 2008 Ford Ka right now and I absolutely love that little thing. Bought it for €1200 with about 90K kilometers!
I had defensive driving lessons and my instructor told me to never be intimidated by tailgators because if you speed up and crash, they will drive away and be on their merry way. Or other times you will be the one who gets the speeding ticket, not them. I would also add - don't ever speed up especially in residential areas because you do not want to risk hitting someone who might walk out in front of you, or a child who runs out. Don't speed up in bad weather conditions either. F the tailgators. Drive smart. Particularly where I live, everyone drives 20 mph over the limit and cops don't care 😒
if they rear end you that's points for them not you, they're obligated to leave a safe following distance regardless of the speed you're traveling at
Over 20 mph is pretty par for the course.
Wait till you get on the actual free way. Swear I saw someone fly by so fast I only caught a glimpse of them and gone.
20 over the speed limit not bad given the speed limits made during the 70s gas crisis
Even the cops know that speed limits in Usa are ridiculously low
Send the video to the bus company, this clearly shows the driver needs further training. One of the most dangerous vehicles to tailgate is a driving school car.
Indeed. As Ashley says, learner drivers make mistakes so give them room.
No. He needs another job. One that does not entail driving of any form.
@@cactusbase3088 Nah, people make stupid decisions daily, but anyone can learn from their mistakes...if called out.
Your not wrong. I once witnessed a learner stalling and coming to an abrupt stop with no brake lights. A private hire car behind was inches away from hitting them
@@1hd3szfgrdm13 do you would be happy to apply this logic to airline pilots too then?
He needs to be reported to his employer. He constantly kept close, especially before traffic lights, putting you and his passengers in danger. Terrible driver.
Absolutely 🙌
And he was NOT an 'import' driver either!
2952 was the bus number, definitely needs passing onto Arriva.
And a 'professional' driver too. Another case of 'I'm not getting stuck behind a learner' syndrome. Bullying them into either driving faster or pulling in to let them past. As Ashley says, learners may get things wrong, so give them space. Plus a learner driver has to get into the habit of keeping strictly to the speed limit ready for their test.
bus wanker
I passed my test 4 years ago and experienced the same with people tailgating me. Now I always give learners plenty of room :) The pupil did well under that pressure so fair play
Same here even after 10 years of passing my test.
Everyone's got to start somewhere. Be patient and show these young drivers some respect. It'll be reciprocated.
same, or when standing at a light i dont start driving before they comfortably driven off some distance so they dont panic :)
People who tailgate novice drivers/bad drivers are hilarious, but dangerous. When I was learning, I accidentally cut someone off when they had the right-of-way (no crash or anything, I just cut in front of them). They aggressively tailgated me for the next 10ish miles.
Like, what?? You just saw me being an unpredictable driver, why are you so close to me??
Problem is people see the L badge as a right to intimidate new drivers. Its one reason I never had the green P on my car. The black box sticker was bad enough
I remember having the same issues when I was learning how to drive. People would come flying up behind me flashing their lights, blowing their horn at me as though it was wrong to do the speed limit. It always amazes me seeing people bully and intimidate learner drivers that literally have stickers plastered on the car to give you the hint to back off and be patient.
i like the instructor. i'm scared of driving a car and how he says step by step what the girl should do is actually soothing.
When I had my country's equivalent of "L" plates every single driver on the road would try to pass me if possible. Even though I was driving the speed limit as my driving instructor guided me to. When I got the plates of the passing magically stopped.
I found this too, I took extra lessons after I passed my test (Pass Plus in the UK) and although my driving was exactly the same as before my test, not one driver pulled the silly tricks they used to when we had the L on the roof.
@@14LuvMusic I had P plates on my car for the months after I passed the test and the amount of bullying that happened was just stupid. Took the P plates off and it stopped
Ha, same. I once forgot to put my L plate on (magnetic) and was out for a whole day. Driving was smooth, nobody tried to outtake me when I was at max speed limit. How weird.
After my wife passed her test, she used green P plates, to warn people that she was inexperienced. That lasted a bout two weeks, as she found that other drivers bullied her to go faster, cut her up and so on. She ditched the plates and things improved immediately.
The overtaking is reasonable, of course people don't want to be right behind a learner as they can be unpredictable and dangerous (everyone can be, but learners that much more so). It's not just about them going slow or not. As long as the overtaking is done safely I agree with it and do it myself when possible.
I think it's good to imagine learner drivers as toddlers. If there's a toddler slowly trying to walk in you, you're not going to stand on their heels, loudly sigh and moan or swear at them or pass them super closely or even tripping them. Slow down, keep calm and be accommodating. It's much better for your blood pressure, mental well-being and the person in front of you. Great job on keeping the student calm, wouldn't expect anything less at this point. :)
If anything that bus driver was acting like a toddler
One thing I cannot stand is tailgaters, it just can't be justified.
It's not only learners that suffer Ash, I can't drive at the speed limit without someone trying to have a look in my boot by me.
Yeah same. I'm going 30 in a 30 and people still tailgate me wanting to go 35 or 40. Really winds me up.
Yeah, and it's unfortunately way too common as well. I tend to drive a few kmh faster than the limit, but I still constantly have to deal with tailgaters.
The worst are the ones that do it in a long row of vehicles. There's nothing I can do to go faster. Just get of my back...
@@raymondbenjamins5884 It's usually in a line of traffic when it happens to me.
I've got a small, low slung car so they can't even put the blame on me for holding them up as they should clearly see it ahead.
If someone is tailgating me, I’ll go that couple mph slower just to piss them off even more
Only a moron would try to go faster than the vehicle they are behind.
Imagine if this was a practical test.. It's stressful enough without this added burden.
In Germany you get so much respect from other drives if you are in a driving school vehicle. They always try to let you go first & don’t pressure you into stupid location. Also when im driving and see a driving school vehicle I pay attention to not overtake it like a jerk or something like that.
I think it works here cause when the driver instructor is driving the car himself he has to take down the little sign on the roof so everyone always knows when there is a beginner behind the wheel.
Can’t confirm. Probably because I live in a big city and people here are more impatient.
@@VieleGuteFahrer Okay yeah that might also be a factor. I did it in a smaller city and people would always grant you to drive first at a small part of the street where only one car fits for example.
In the States, it's very regional. Particularly big cities' drivers are fairly aggressive. Although I haven't seen it personally, I can't imagine novices are respected. In smaller cities and villages, as well as country roads, you'll get more careful drivers. They tend to be the ones respecting new drivers, but it depends on the individual.
Beginner or not, you should treat everyone the same way and not pressure anyone in traffic.
- Driving instructor in The Netherlands
@@Branovix Yes but beginners get preasured way more quickly. If they drive a little more slowly I dont overtake them for example if im not in a rush cause otherwhise they will think they need to drive quickly.
As a PCV instructor in London I can say that that bus driver needs retraining. He showed no regard for the safety of his passengers and other road users, nevermind the feelings of your learner driver. You could also tell by the way he took the left turn he wasn't in full control of the bus and went round it too fast. Frankly, I think he's an embarrassment to the profession.
That's what I was thinking and he squeezed the people on the right by not taking enough space to start with.
He doesn't need retraining. He needs sacking and banned from professionally driving.
I am a PCV driver of 13 years and sad to see this, up until now i have mostly defended operators of a PCV vehicle but here I'm defeated - I pride in keeping space for cyclists, learners, old drivers etc and this driver gives a bad reputation for us.
He needs retiring and basic licence retraining.
You do not want someone like that driving an 18 wheeler, with full load. Looks like someone who would skip pre-trip safety checks and load security checks on every stop.
I can still remember the day when I first drove home from my driving lesson with my instructor, it was the scariest thing I have ever done and that was on a quiet Tuesday evening during summer break. I cannot imagine how much more scary it would have been if a massive vehicle like a bus was tailgating me. Lily did amazing under the pressure.
I would maybe put a complaint in with the bus company on this one, this was dangerous and with me as an experienced driver I would be scared.
I don't know who this bus company is but I have in the past sent emails to companies whose drivers have been on this channel driving dangerously. Most companies have email contact on their website and sending a link in a message drops the ball firmly in their court. And if a driver is dangerous in a PSV or HGV, it's a public service to report it.
Bus drivers inparticular should never tailgate as 'emergency stop' procedures were once performed and practised in practical test conditions.
So what chances has a fully laden bus got of pulling up behind you in case of an emergency stop? 🤔
Pensioner's "Senior Citizens " and mobility disadvantaged people could well end up flat on their faces on the bus if it had to brake harshly.
@@BDX55 Stout fellow. Let's hope they act on it.
@@tbridgey2619 Emergency stops are never performed in traffic for the test or on lessons. It is the examiner's/instructor's responsibility to ensure it is safe to carry out the emergency stop. Learners do sometimes misjudge braking in normal driving however, that's one reason why tailgating them is stupid.
I still remember how diferent it was driving on the road the moment I was able to take the L of the car. "people see you as a target" was a realy acurate line.
It really boils my piss when supposed "professional" drivers act like they own the road. Just imagine being in the shoes of the learner driver and you've got to deal with people riding up your bumper, undertaking and aggressive behaviour, its ridiculous and these learners have enough to contend with. Good on you for being a thoughtful and patient teacher.
Exactly, it’s because they can’t put themselves in the other persons shoes. They only care about going faster.
It's many years ago, but my driving instructor used to turn round and stare tailgaters dead in the eye. More often than not it worked.
Did he look like the incredible hulk though?
I should do that here in the mean streets of Chicago jejeje
@@brianposada87
dont get yourself shot mate lol
@@Brescianogb Good Point. Its insane how crazy the violence is here and you see while teaching in Chicago.
what u mean? turn the car around? get out of the car and stare at them? wtf does that mean
The one thing that does my head in when driving is people right up my back-side, especially larger vehicles like busses and lorries. Surely they of all people know that anyone, not just learners, could stamp on the brakes at any moment. It takes no effort at all and you don't lose any time by just sticking to the 2-second rule.
What you also have to consider is a car weighs around 1.2 tonnes. A bus / HGV is 40 tonnes. A car can brake much quicker than a heavy vehicle......
Just slow down to 20mph
Rule of thumb stopping distance for LPSV & HGV is 4 seconds. Your right about sudden braking...lucky all the traffic lights stayed green.
4 second rule with larger vehicles.
The 2 second rule is important and everyone learns it when learning to drive but I think a lot of us are guilty of disobeying the rule after we have been driving for years. I know I am guilty of it at times but I try my best to always adhere to it.
This really annoys me. Always give the learner respect as you would have liked when you were learning. People forget how terrifying it is at first and if you are terrified you'll either forget about learning or make a mistake on the road.
Well done to Lilly. She's the professional here, she handled it all brilliantly under the circumstances. 👏
This was one of my TH-cam recommendations. Not my usual content, but I just wanted to say how well you instructed and encouraged this learner. I'm glad she had you there to help her during this difficult and stressful encounter.
It felt nice hearing you say it's difficult to multitask at this stage. I feel like I am either at this or just before this stage and I'm struggling to keep stuff fluidly going. Hearing that it's normal to struggle helped me a lot.
One thing my instructor used to teach and say to me was “ see the vehicle behind you , now ignore it “ know you cannot forget it is there but to ignore it’s way of driving is a skill that is hard to develop , with any vehicle anyone can be put off .👍
The fact a “professional” would do something like this shows how little care we give to learner drivers
It's either disgraceful intimidation of a learner or it's utter incompetence. Either way, not someone I'd wish to employ. It does my head in having a mirror full of SCANIA or the like when I'm driving perfectly normally in traffic - and I've driven for decades. Sometimes I just tip the mirror up so I don't waste brain bandwidth on something I have no control over.
Some people drive far to close and seem oblivous to it. I was in a taxi the other day and the guys driving was good apart from one thing, he drove literally about 4 feet from the car in front. He was chatting away to me quite happily, apparently unaware that his following distance was virtually non existant.
I accept your point if you're not on a motorway. If you're on a motorway and a vehicle that is restricted to 55mph is up your ass, you're the problem.
Honestly the instructor was amazing there, talking them through it and reassuring them, I can only hope I have an instructor like this when I take my test
Definitely remember being frustrated by this when I was learning. And how stark the difference was when I got to remove the sign. After a while it was just laughable how mindless and inconsiderate some people were.
My driving instructor told a story of how she actually stopped once and told the person off for driving so close, and they were really embarrassed.
I am a driving instructor here in Chicago and this is normal when I am with my pupil. Buses become pretty reckless and started getting close to us and it spooks my novice drivers who are barely driving for the first time. Hey Ashley, your pupil handled herself really well.
As a qualified driver I would get wound up so so easily when followed closely behind. Now I don't care, I just allow a greater distance in front of me and let them do what they want. No matter how upset I get, they will carry on doing whatever they like.
It depends on what car you are driving and the car behind you. Probably not with the buss, but certain large cars could squash you to death in a smaller car.
@@raducirstoiu2253
unlikely.... unless they are doing really high speed and he is stale, they cannot cause him much physical damage if they hit him behind. if they do hit him though, they will take the blame for insurance costs as well as any claim he makes for personal injury such as back pain...
I dont believe that bus driver even had a clue he was driving poorly, they just obviously have no idea how to drive a vehicle full stop, let alone a passenger vehicle and let alone when following a learner driver. I hope that driver sees this video and is shamed in to taking some lessons of their own
Remember a bus doesn't have seat belts either, if he slams on the brakes for the learner in front, his passengers are going flying forwards. All the more reason to keep a greater than normal follow distance, but this isn't even enough of a follow distance for a small car!
You could be right. It's hard to imagine that someone would spend that length of time trying to intimidate a learner, and many drivers of large vehicles do drive far too close to the vehicle in front.
Ohh they knew exactly what they were doing.
Unfortunately i don't think this is a skill issue its an attitude issue.
This isn't just a driving lesson, this is a lesson to anyone who is in an instructor role teaching someone new how to do something. Be clear, calm, and absolutely precise in what you are teaching the trainee. Good work!
First of all, you are a great driving instructor. And secondly, I’m from germany and it is probably even worse here, if people see the sign of the driving school, they drive like crazy and overtake with 80kmh in a 50kmh city zone.
She did excellently considering! Bus driver was in the wrong and driving such a big vehicle should warrant way more care than exhibited here. So needless
That was stressing me out just watching. I don't understand what the bus driver was trying to accomplish. Making a learner driver even more nervous makes them less confident and potentially increases the likelihood of a mistake. It just increases risk for everyone
Bus driver could have kept a good separation and it would have delayed him by maybe 4 seconds?
Hope this was reported so he doesn't continue to do the same to other new drivers.
He was most likely thinking of his bus schedule and to not be late at the next bus stop therefore ignoring the safety of his passengers and the L driver.
@@zaltmanbleroze no, he was probably one of the drivers who doesn't look at dedicated bus lane lights or who doesn't think cyclists should be on the road (both things I've witnessed firsthand from the top deck).
I don't understand this mentality... we all have to start somewhere, and as a learner myself I totally understand the pressure :/
No one "needs" to drive a car, it´s the cancer of modern society.
@@PROVOCATEURSK of course we don't, im just referring to those who wish to learn
@@PROVOCATEURSK For some people cars are essential for a decent quality of life , who are you to say otherwise.
@@PROVOCATEURSK delusional
@@PROVOCATEURSK The cancer? Without my bike i wouldn't be able to make a living. In turn wouldn't be able to look after myself, vehicals are essential and thet are not a cancer, they are the one beautiful thing that mankind has made perfectly
Can we appreciate the instructors calming words for a second?
When I did my advanced driving course,
My instructor told me to keep a Extra sec behind a learning driver, they can be unpredictable.
The bus driver needs that driving lessons more than her lol!
She is driving 25 in a 30, while the bus driver gets penalized for coming late. Cant blame him at all
@@friedchicken6570 Ohh so you are that type of a person!
I agree she might be driving a bit slow, but does that mean the bus driver should start tailgating?
@@friedchicken6570 even is she was going 30, she would still end up at the traffic lights at the same time. i'm sure he'd get much more of a punishment if he came to an abrupt stop and injured one of his passengers after tailgaiting a learner rather than if he was a minute late
@@friedchicken6570 she was doing 26
@@friedchicken6570 BUT that is not the L driver's fault, is it? even if she would have gone with 30 NOTHING would have chance for the bus driver, his actions tell me he is used to driving above the speed limit
I'm a bus driver myself, if your learner has to brake sharply that bus will not be stopping before he hits your learner as it takes approximately 3 to 4 times stopping distance for that bus along with its passengers. That driver was not taught to drive like that and needs to go back to driving school.
Well done to your learner.
cmon now... he was not that close, you cant be sure he would have hit her...there was only 1 section he was closer than 2 metres and she was driving with around 20.....
@@Brescianogb
You've clearly never driven a bus before.
@@Martin4963
no deffo not, but i thought you might give your colleagues reaction skills a little better chance..... he looks like an experienced driver... if he was bad he wouldn’t be doing this job at the time the video was made
Ironically, Bus drivers can be late but can never leave a bus stop early. So what was the rush?
"If i don't pressure a beginer driver then somebody else will"- jacob the israeli settler bus driver from brooklyn.
@COMMIE BRAH based
You are absolutely amazing as a driving instructor. Works basically the same over here in Sweden where people go absolutely crazy the second they see the learner sign getting passed when there really isn't a reason for a pass or like this people going really close up when it's really unsafe to do so. Well handled with this student I would not have wanted to be in that position when I started to learn how to drive but you made it really straightforward and clear to her.
I remember doing the same when I was learning. The moment someone gets close behind you all your attention seems to be one watching them which affects your driving. Nowadays if someone gets close to me like that (and I'm doing the speed limit) I continue because I couldn't careless about them.
Had that so many times during my lessons,I don’t get why people do that. Did they have the same happen to them when they were learning to drive? I doubt it. You did a great job in calming your student down and hope it doesn’t put them off from continuing their lessons.
I can that they're doing it to others precisely because it was done to them.
@@Fazer_600 yeah same, and not going to lie I have accidentally done this before without thinking, when you drive for a while bad habits come and you get more confident driving. It’s not really till people have had accidents till they really learn
This seems so tame then learning in Australia. I’ve had dangerous overtakes in roads not meant for it, cut offs in roundabouts, horns laid into for the entire time we share the road and lack of blinkers causing near accidents. I’ve had them pull up and yell profanity and horrible things. Mind you, I’m not the best driver. No learner is. We’re nervous, uncoordinated and don’t have the fluidity and quick decision making yet, but I certainly don’t endanger anyone going 5km under the limit and indicating at every choice of turn. Hooning and thrashing around a learner (or really anyone) is far, far worse.
No yeah being an L plater in Australia is a nightmare. To everyone else the speed limit is at least 5 above the supposed amount
@@liviawang3822 more like 'speed recommendation'
I have been driving for 3 years outside of the UK and came to the UK and took my UK driving license. A BMW driver honked at me as the light turns yellow just before turning green, probably thinking of bullying an L plate driver and my driving instructor was not having it that day and braked the car until the lights turned red. What a scene. Could never forget it even after 7 years now.
As a sufferer of social anxiety this is exactly the reason why I never learnt to drive; other drivers attitude towards learners! It has meant for 30+ years I have had to rely on others or public transport to get me places which is not easy with my issues, so I am practically house bound now! You have good intentions Ashley with trying to teach drivers to be more considerate to learners but things have not changed in my lifetime and I do not see them changing before my last breath in this world! Such a shame.
Driving up the arse of the car in front does not normally make the driver drive faster, it usually only p*sses them off, make them drive erratically or both, be they a learner or not. Doing it to a learner is total madness.
For me it makes me hesitant to shift gears so it ends up making me slower as instead of pushing the high 30s in a 40 I end up doing high 20s in a 40 as I’m not wanting to change to 3rd with the lorry so close Stevie Wonder could read my plate
@@crazyt1483 You give a perfect example of how pointless tailgating is as your natural reaction is, understandably, to slow down.
It’s not only learners the buses in hull try to intimidate. That’s why we need to report bad drivers to their company to drive standards up.
I was in Edinburgh and I saw one of their drivers make a right turn and blare his horn at an elderly lady crossing from the central refuge, more than half way across, what an absolute t**t.
If I'm being tailgated my car automatically slows down. Doesn't matter what vehicle is behind me.
if you're being tailgated, i bet there's no one in front of you and a mile long queue behind you. Next time i suggest you check the speed limit vs your own driving speed first.
@@antanasrapkevicius3897 is obviously a white van driver
@@orenthalgregoriasmudbone7988 White van drivers are known for speeding, so you too are talking bullshite.
@@antanasrapkevicius3897 If you tailgate me I WILL reduce my speed and yours. Unlike you most drivers know what that means. You'd never make a living out of betting 🤣🤣🤣
Bare in mind going too slow is also obstructing the flow of traffic
Not even driving and that bus driver is stressing me out. Props to Lilly for doing her best and for you keeping calm and guiding her. I've had so many instances of drivers tailgating and it really does make you on edge especially when you already have to think about so much
You are such a calm and good instructor! My instructor when I was merging onto a highway was on his phone and said "pick up some speed and just go in." Thank god I've been driving with my dad and been racing cars for a couple of years so I know what I'm doing for the most part but I wish he was a more helpful with that
God bus drivers like that give the rest of them a bad name. I'm an ex bus driver and I always gave learners a healthy distance because I know that even expireienced driver can be intimidated by the size of the thing.
When I did the smiths course (advanced driving) they taught us to give a 8-10 second distance
That's interesting - at least 4x the 2 sec rule for cars and that's presumably in the dry.
@@MK-1973 yep it's true, smiths keys of defensive driving. It does seem excessive but if you have standing passengers you need to leave significantly more room in case there's an abrupt stopping of traffic ahead, so that you don't throw anyone forward
😂 Should see me on a bike, busses are not that bad, its when a massive lorry pulls up on my side and trys going round a roundabout, shit myself.
I cut busses off all the time, they're always hogging up the express lane going 65 mph.
@@robertl955 that's the top speed but atleast you admit you are a bad driver
VERY SIMPLE...........Bully drivers don't like it when you make a little mistake that inconveiences them. They then take the opinion that they can bully you for the rest of the time they see you. Can happen to other drivers too. Have seen close miss accidents happen where older drivers are "punished" by delivery vans into almost crashing
I’m on a 125cc motorbike with L plates, people get up my backside too, on some roads I don’t have the power to increase my speed to get out of a bad position.
I actually slow down and try and let them pass.
Drivers can be very inconsiderate sometimes, some people don’t have the ability or knowledge to get out of a situation, it’s up to the “experienced” driver to drive accordingly
would you ever consider getting a honda forza 300cc scooter?
@@steve00alt70 no, because scooters are for children, a Yamaha XJR1300 though…. Yes!
@daz374 trust me my friend, as soon as I can find a job and payed off everything I will, I just think it might be a little ways down the road(pun intended)
I give learners so much room, not only because they make mistakes but because I remember how it felt to have cars up my butt. ive only had my licence a year and a half and stuff like this still freaks me out!
Well done to the learner in this video, she did a good job!
What you said at 2:48 is so perfectly spot-on, and also, unfortunately ignored by many drivers.
Every single day, without fail, I encounter at least one person who is speeding down residential streets, tailgating people going 5 over the limit, passing abruptly only to get stopped a block later at a red light, and have the car they just passed and cut off pull right up next to them.
Driving like this doesn't save you any time getting to your destination, especially on surface streets where there are signals, pedestrians, turning vehicles, etc. slowing you down every few minutes.
It's funny (not) how quickly people forget that they were once a learner driver. Have seen horrible beeping, tailgating and swearing at L plate drivers.
If I see L plates I expect them to do anything and everything.
An argument could be made that encountering as many forms of reckless driving as possible while with your instructor guiding a correct response is beneficial as a learner
What I found really good in this video is watching the front camera, how well she kept exactly the same distance of the vehicle infront of her even though the bus was pressuring her. You said she was doing 26, but at no time did the she get further away from the silver car ahead of her. Sure there was lots of space ahead, but it goes to show she was actually driving to the flow of the traffic ahead of her, so as you said when they stopped at the lights the bus would have had to stop anyway, or even if she was doing 30, it just means she would have been closer to the silver car with less room for error.
I live in The Netherlands and remember when I had my drivers lessons I once got a speeding ticket during one of my lessons because of some pushy van driver behind me. My instructor dint even pay attention to the driving speed and the speed limit otherwise he would have corrected me. You do give me a confident impression of being a professional instructor.
That bus driver is a disgrace to the profession, I've held my psv for almost 20yrs and always make sure that I give learners plenty of room and time. I remember how I felt learning to drive and the pressures you feel.
Its very hard when someone like this tailgates. The pupil did a good job. I think Arriva should be made aware of this, because that is causing danger to their passengers.
What an idiot, he was clearly ready to intimidate Lily when he revved as she was overtaking! Lily, don’t let impatient pricks like this bully you! Concentrate on what you need to do, take deep breaths and listen to Ashley! People all too easily forget they too were learners once x
You can hear the exhale of relief when the bus stop to pick up passengers.
One thing i always thought was wierd, is how much driving teachers talk. Now that would stress me out to the point i would be unable to learn. When i took my license, we talked about how to operate the car, before we drove. And then he gave me directions, without saying anything else, unless i made a mistake. Worked out perfectly.
I’m learning and I had anxiety throughout the whole thing
My instructor said "I would be worried if you were not nervous or anxious in any way. Being worried or anxious makes you alert, but being overly anxious is a different thing of course. Never forget I'm here and I'm also paying attention."
Well I don’t know about Lilly, but I’m stressed, and I’m sitting on the bog at home.
As someone who recently got my license, people will always target you if they see you're a learning driver, even if you drive at the speed limit, people will always think the learner's gonna cause them to arrive at their destination and get annoyed. Glad you made a video highlighting this!
She did a very good job and your patience and calm explanation helped her as well. Well done. For the Bus Driver I have no words...
There have been some of these kind of videos where I thought you were exegerating a bit, but this shit is truely annoying and just dangerous. I had it happen to me quite some years ago on one of my lessons and it still sometimes happens now years later with a bus or truck. Some of these drivers really don't seem to realise what they're in control of. I mean, just imagine having this behind you while your children are in the back.
Bloodyhell, you'd think the bus driver wasn't getting paid by the hour
Old codger taking his frustrations out by tailgating a learner. I'd be giving him some hand signals out my window, but I'm nowhere near as composed as Ashley.
He wasn't even tailgating them. He was catching up each time she let go of the gas and slowed down. He was generally 2 or more car lengths away and would catch up to about 1. It wasn't him speeding up on her it was her letting go of the gas. What do you expect to happen? "Loser" plates or not the bus driver and everyone else behind him doesn't know what she is doing. The instructor should have kept her in parking lots or empty roads for the time being until she learned how to maintain a speed. Just creates more dangerous situations. Nobody behind the bus knows the person ahead has "Loser" plates.
@@OGTH-camEnjoyer Why do you keep calling them loser plates? Is that what you felt like when you were learning?
@@123tobiiboii123 “hehehe I know you are but what am I?”
😂😂
@@OGTH-camEnjoyer Aye?
@@123tobiiboii123 it’s spelled “eh”
She's a good learner considering she is in the early stages of driving in this video. Good use of the rearview mirror and awareness of other drivers behind her. At this early stage I was too focussed on looking forward and at the gear stick etc, to worry about people behind me when I was at that early stage.
You, and your pupil did very well there.
I drive a HGV, and I try to be aware of any learner drivers, and I try to leave a good distance between myself and the learner so that they don't panic.
I had a bus that was probably around a meter up my rear at 40 mph the other week on a561 who did it to about 5 others cars before I was in front of it. Rush to get back to depot in Speke probably 🙄
Had a massive ass lorry the other day up my arse on the motorway haha, didn’t bother me much as I just changed lanes but when it’s new drivers or on small roads I feel the pain
I always keep a good distance to learners. Even though this bus driver has to keep a route, his irresponsible driving is not excusable.
I noticed when I was on my L's I would get tailgated all the time (even when at speed limit) but the moment I got my p's all of sudden it stopped even though I drive at the same speed.
He did great at keeping her on track and focused. He's a good teacher from what I can tell.
Nope. He put her into that situation in the first place. Bus was already leaving and he made her overtake it for no reason. Thats also what made the bus driver annoyed.
great job from teacher to keep learner on same path as a bus and leaving learner distressed rather than changing route
God, being tailgated even as someone more experienced than a learner is terrifying. I've been driving for about two years now and one time got pressured into going 80-90mph in the express lane when the limit is 70mph and I usually go 75 depending on traffic.
Guy's on his phone, backs off a bit, then goes dangerously close. I am not that comfortable going that fast, and I was already closer than I'd prefer to the driver in front of me. Going that speed on a road that tends to curve made me feel like at the slightest nudge I'd spiral out of control.
Y'all, it really isn't worth getting there that few extra minutes early. Reasonable people will understand. If you're running late to work, communicate that to your manager. If you're going to be home a little late, let others know. It's not worth putting others at risk for something stupid.
You move over and let the vehicle pass, it is a passing lane after all.
@@robertl955 The express lane is not a passing lane. I'm not talking about the left lane with all the other cars, this is the one where you're in a single lane with a double white line and pegs that you are not allowed to cross. You cannot let other cars pass as there is not enough room to do so safely. You pay a toll to drive in the express lane, and the higher the traffic, the higher the toll.
@@sabrina_doll the commuting lanes that you pay for, yeah you can move over the double lines. Technically it is illegal but you're already speeding above the limit so might as well break one small rule to let the person behind you pass then move back over, then you can stop speeding.
@@robertl955 No, there are literal pegs in the road that keep you from crossing the double lines. If I tried crossing over, my car would face tons of damage. They place barriers on either sides of the cars to prevent toll violators. Are you aware of what express lane I'm talking about? Maybe it's different for each state. The one I'm talking about is MoPac for Texas 1 Loop.
@@sabrina_doll Yeah we're talking about different freeways then lol. The one I use actually splits into 2 but for a few miles its one lane. Its separated by two white lines but none of those cement or plastic dividers.
Just want to say not all Bus drivers are like this mate. I’m a bus driver and I give plenty space when possible. Mainly the old fat grumpy ones that act like this
Props to you
Like a wise man once said: "Most bus drivers are calm and patient, But you get the odd one who is an absolute idiot".
His voice had this huge calming effect and he was so positive, encouraging her all the way. Massive contrast to my cousins’ yelling when they threw me into the busy bangkok streets 🤣🤣🤣
It's interesting how differently each country teaches how to drive. My driving instructor always told me when there's a car parked, like the bus in this video, I need to honk, letting the person know that I'm passing them. Whether it's a car or a truck or a bus. And when someone was signaling to enter where i am at a stop, I have to wait for that car to fully go in the entrance because it might be a false signal. I'm glad my instructor went the extra mile because the way people drive in my country lack consideration and respect for others on the road. I got my license 4 years ago and I'd definitely revisit him for an appointment as a refresher.
in all honesty you did make her do a dangerous maneuver at 1:03 when you made her takeover the bus on a single lane and merge back in with an island in the middle between the bus which was ready to accelerate after servicing the stop....you are a professional yourself which means being patient behind buses when they are servicing stops in a single lane. But you made the beginner driver rush infront of the bus instead
Clean your eyes, bus driver signaled when the car almost reached it. Too late to stop.