The Angry Bus Driver
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The problem for the bus driver is he can see you in his mirror, and you’re forward of his pivot point (rear wheel). Effectively, you were in the space he anticipated his vehicle needing. The car immediately behind had stopped to give the bus space and then you went in that space.
Then, as he moved forward and put, you started creeping. Consequently, the space you allowed yourself between the bus and the centre line was reducing all the time, increasing your risk.
The other problem is that, by waving at him, you’re taking on a role of directing traffic, for which you’re not trained, authorised, or in a position to do safely.
Sometimes the best option is to decide not to pass at all, or to get past fully and reduce the confusion. There were moments (but not many) when an offside pass was possible and safe.
Perfectly put 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
Yeah, I totally agree with this. I agree with pretty much everything Ashley does, but this is not one of them. I also think talking to them afterwards wasn't necessary and could potentially have escalated the situation (at best it wouldn't have done anything. I don't really see a positive outcome for that).
Neal was waving his arms all over the place. The bus driver probably thought that Neal was signalling left. I would love to know which part of the Highway Code that Neal gets all of these new hand signals from (waving left and right, as well as thumbs-up, etc). If he just stuck to the signals in the Highway Code rather than inventing new and ambiguous ones that only HE understands, then he might make a better road user.
Thank goodness that isn't teaching others how to drive. Ohh....
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Don't often disagree with you but as a retired bus driver I don't think he was getting angry with you, he was obviously aware you were there but if you look at the mirror on the bus its pretty high up which gives a massive blind spot for cyclists to be in, him delaying in moving off means he could have been unsure where you were and he was being extra careful not to cut you up
Also the amount of people who gesticulate that you can go first, then if you don’t move within half a second, the deal is off.
@@highdownmartin the red car waited perfectly back, the bloody cyclist with a lorry license does this .... i cycle and the idea of filter cycling fulls me with dreed.
Agreed.
@@evisule84 fine to “ take charge “ when the road is gridlocked owing to a silly manoeuvre or a break down. But I think I’d be irritated by a bloke on a bike, who I don’t know anything about, telling me what I should be doing with my 8 ton bus.
Agree with your comment. What irks me is that we're still producing large vehicles with "massive blind spots". Surely it should be basic safety for a vehicle to have a clear view of its own turning space.
"it's funny how people are sometimes isn't it?"
Yeah, almost as if they are working to do a public service and become jaded after they get non stop abuse from pretty much every other road user every minute of their day. Imagine being a bus driver.
Maybe he thought you were too far along his offside to be trusted not to get hit by him moving out? You did start moving forward before he was clear of the parked van.
Maybe he has, or colleagues have, had accidents with cyclists in similar positions in the past.
Nah. never sit to the side of any big vehicle with indicators on without an escape route esp on a bike. The planning ahead here was terrible. This made bus drivers life difficult. police drivers are taught to never wave anyone out or change the priority as it leads to confusion. If you can get out of the way, then do it. Stay behind a bus or pass. Be decisive as my driving instructor told me in 1992.
Patronising behaviour. Where do you expect him to go lol
Exactly! Sorry, I usually agree with most things Ashley says and does on the road, but this one has me scratching my head a little. Where did he want the bus driver to go? He likely saw the thumbs up and was just waiting to take the space that he was given, once the traffic moved. Did Ashley want him to drive half a metre forward in standstill traffic, just to acknowledge him giving way?
Agreed. It's a shame. I normally agree with his videos. I think this is a case of someone not driven a large vehicle in busy areas.
Even driving instructors need educating at times. That’s all this is. Hopefully Ashley learns from it and it makes him a better driver/cyclist.
@@interpolpirate wow! I actually haven't. If its true what you say. It's even more disappointing.
@@ElonRump Thing is though, I don't think he does accept this as being an error. All the most liked comments on this thread are critical of Ashley's actions, not in a nasty way, but just giving helpful feedback and he hasn't acknowledged any of those remarks. instead he likes all the comments that re-enforce his views and actions.
I think he could see that where you had stopped he never had enough room to pull out without the rear of the bus hitting you. That's why he was reluctant to go for fear of pushing you out onto oncoming traffic. I've found that even when in my car bus drivers would prefer for me to take the priority and be out of their way when they need to make wide turns/avoid obstructions.
The way the HC has been changed he's probably very wary of getting anyway near a cyclist, especially ones with GoPros...
This
Yeah I'm with you, it's nice to be nice but really would have been easier to just squeeze past there.
Yeah I agree with this. Personally I would have stayed the other side of the keep clear, there was just a little bit too much going on with the bus indicating
Exactly this.
I'm of the rare bread of people who regularly cycles to work and also is a qualified Coach driver. Not all bus drivers hate cyclists. 😢.....however,
As a cyclist, I would have probably just carried on ahead there. No point causing delay while the bus driver had to work out whether his middle section was going to hit you while he pulled out. You effectively made his life more difficult in my honest opinion. You may as well made more progress and left the bus to it.
As a bus driver, again, I'd rather not have a cyclist anywhere near me while trying to pull out. I'd have appreciated it if you either stayed completely behind, or went off ahead where I could see you properly. Sitting at my side was not helping.
Poor man has already had a (presumably complex lol) negotiation with the red car to get into lane 2 only to have a cyclist (with no apparent regard for the size of the bus or seemingly, his own life) waltz into his blindspot and start to mess with him!
"Angry" is more like "frustrated that cyclist won't make up their mind and get out of my way so I can get on with my day safely"
This makes sense but I think the problem is that the bus driver waited until Ashley was already alongside him before putting his indicator on. Didn't really have a lot of options. The gap between the bus and the car looked very tight and the other option is into oncoming traffic, neither is great.
@@interpolpirate No, the bus can clearly be seen indicating since at least the point that Ashley rides under the bridge. 10 seconds at minimum.
And even if you arrive at that situation and the bus were not indicating, the space that has been "negotiated" with the red car is clear and presents a pretty obvious danger zone.
I'm afraid that the decision to enter that zone without a plan or escape route only evidences lack of awareness and inexperience with filtering.
I would not like to see how ugly this could have gotten if the traffic were actually moving since he got involved in plenty of bad decisions with traffic totally stationary!
Cumon Ashley how about a reply to some of the valid criticism you're getting on here
I have never driven a bus but I have driven HGVs and I have to say that I makes me very, very unconfortable to have a cyclist or a pedestrian so close. Even one with good intentions and competence such as yourself. I guess it's because there's no buffer zone whatsoever in case something did go wrong after all.
I myself would prefer to let them go first and get as far as possible before starting to maneuver the heavy vehicle around.
Bad positioning. You shouldn't have passed the bus in the first place, but having done so you then stopped in a place that made it much more problematic for the bus driver. Having made the mistake of going into the space alongside the bus without a clear exit, your next best choice would have been to position yourself alongside the drivers cab so when the traffic in the outside lane moved again you could go ahead of the bus until past the car obstructing his lane. The bus driver then wouldn't have to worry about tring not squish the person in his blind spot. If this is is your contribution to cycling safety then I suggest you stop now.
I doubt it’s that he’s surprised at a cyclist being nice, it’s almost certainly that he’s surprised at anyone being nice.
Absolutely! I think Learner drivers are about the only group that let them out and they're not very good at it!
Lol
It has been decades since I used to take regular/commuter bus journeys in Liverpool, but the one thing I (we) always did is thank the driver when alighting. Has that common courtesy gone away nowadays?
@@Drew-Dastardly No, that is still something most people do, it is the drivers, cyclists and pedestrians all fighting for their right of way that isn't very nice.
@@Drew-Dastardly Don't know about Liverpool, but having driven a bus in Sydney I'd say about 25% of passengers say thanks on alighting, the best being regular commuters. Commuters in the morning about 80% say good morning when they get on and thanks when they get off. Far fewer in the evening when they're fed up and just want to get home, which is understandable. Most people get on and off without saying anything, and without so much as meeting your eye, but if one person is really rude, most of the others will make a point of coming up to the front and saying thanks.
You ran past him with an indicator on and put yourself in a position where the side of the bus would swing if he pulled out. I’m a cyclist - I stop behind large vehicles because it takes them more space to move and longer to speed up and slow down. I agree with the driver to be honest. Give way to large vehicles with indicators on.
0:05 The moment you get hit by a van door thrown open while looking behind, or a pedestrian stepping out ‘to see’ from behind the van. Get those shoulder checks done well before the hazard position & expect that surprise.
Great to see you bringing more awareness and good education to the cycling world too Ashley
yep, I'd have been well away from those parked vehicles.
Glad to see there are people in the comment section who acually know bigger vehichles are driven differently than cars! But an instructor should already be aware of this.....
What's your obsession with filtering so far forward? That bus was indicating way before you got close to it. Just hang back and wait. I'm all for vehicles making positive progress along the road but you seem far more dangerous in heavy traffic. I would not expect a driving instructor to be posting such poor examples of his own cycling unless he is showing what not to do.
Its annoying having someone lurking at your side, in your mirror. Its a massive distraction. If a bus/lorry driver lets you go, its not because they're being nice, its for your own safety.
as a former bus driver, it's unexpected for any vehicle to stop and give way from a position alongside the bus - probably thought the thumbs-up and "buddy" was sarcastic
Agreed 100%
Personally I would have stopped just off your rear wheel so you would have seen me in your mirror. I’ve already seen you indicating so I know you need room to push out and there’s a hazard ahead. I’ll wave you forward with my outside arm as you can see that motion better. It seems to have served me well over the years and the drivers in my area also seem to appreciate it as well. Usually get a wave back from the driver. Agree that the driver probably thought the gesture was sarky…
@@TheGiff7 yeah - apart from anything else, the front and flanks (and tail) of the bus can move sideways if the driver steers sharply, but the back axle only moves sideways in dire circumstances - so sitting abeam the rear axle lets the bus driver know they can go full lock and not hit you
Strange place to wait, to be honest. I would never wait alongside a bus or HGV if you're not getting in front, stay behind. that's probably what they driver didn't get.
INHO, as a cyclist, professional driver and motorcyclist I'd say you overdid the trying to be virtuous to the extreme, causing unnecessary confusion and danger, no way is it safe or normal to sit next to a bus in its outside on a bicycle when you could and should have gone as any experienced cyclist would have, an inexperienced cyclist shouldn't be filtering anyway, a good one should go, in a car with big L Plates you can and I guess must drive like this, a sort of awkward tick box exercise in trying to pass what us by necessity a pedantic and formulaic test, but on a bicycle you either gotta stay left and amble along in the beginners 'safe' side or go big on filtering and overtaking with a bit of attitude, no safe place being middle of the road on a thin but if metal without the gear we have on motorbikes, get a move in the bus driver must have thought you were mad😂😂😂
If I was the bus driver, I would be worried for the space I had for that maneuver, with you beside the bus.
As a cyclist, personally, I wouldn't have stayed there, but his signal came on very late. It's more than likely a cyclist would be "stuck" there if they didn't realise the bus had to move out to overtake the parked car.
What does the highway code say on cycling and motorbike filtering???
Amazing, with the bus having its indicator on to pull out, I would have stayed behind the bus and wouldn’t have gone out to the side of it like you did
He should have completely overtaken the bus as it was going nowhere as it was stuck in traffic.
Gloves Ashley. If you do hit the deck, you’ll remember all the comments saying “ wear some kin gloves ffs”.
Definitely!...it's no fun picking bits of tarmac out your hands with a pair of tweezers!!....once was enough for me!.....
As a dutch person it's so weird seeing that you need to watch out so much more in the UK, but I do see parallels with scooter driving. Looking forward to more videos.
You should try Poland...
We have a culture of hatred towards cyclists in the UK. We’re basically slowly becoming American in our ways
@@leenevin8451 yeah, American, with European sized roads
Yeah, as a Dutch person, I'd probably be terrified to cycle over in the UK.
@@raymondbenjamins5884 It's not that bad, we just have a lot of cameras and a lot of people willing to upload videos and argue online. We are no good at arguing in person so we quietly do it on our own at home instead. The UK has some of the world's safest roads (even for cyclists) so don't be fooled by the videos showing off the worst. An article about a nurse killing a patient doesn't mean the entire NHS is bad, for example.
What's the problem meant to be here with the bus driver patiently waiting for a patronising cyclist to get out of his blind spot?
And after he tried to move off, he still had a cyclist moving along side him, level with his rear wheel?!
And then to harass the poor fella when he's trying to deal with passengers at the stop... What is the need to be so sanctimonious towards someone who, in this clip, was driving safely and considerately?
The fact that you even put yourself into that danger zone which had been left by the red car (very well and considerately I might add) in the first place is an absolutely amateur filtering move. Putting yourself into an area which you have no plan or path to get out of is a terrible decision, even worse that it's the blind spot of a large vehicle.
There are quite a few obvious, elementary mistakes made in this video but the bus driver made none of them.
As an experienced cyclist I would not filter like this between two lanes of moving traffic in a built up area, I think it could lead to an accident and I know who will come off worst. No risks, find a different route
Exactly , surely that’s the most dangerous thing he could do 😂
He's great at making driving videos but to suggest this is the way to cycle in traffic is just terrifying. He should have been well back of that bus too... Why sit alongside it? Not up to cyclists to direct traffic.
This is cringeworthy
What the hell were you doing in that stop by the bus? worst position possible, you should ether have overtaken fully as there was no reason not too, as traffic was stationary or held back fully behind the bus, you put yourself in no-mans land.
I was in the worst position where i could still be seen and had options 🤔. Where would you have gone? Don't discount the 360 camera distortion as I was just in front of the back wheels.
@@AshleyNeal-JustCycling You pulled into the space that had been made available for the bus. The bus driver would have been worried that he was going to flatten you when pulling out. That was inconsiderate riding and I'm surprised you posted it without using it as an example to criticise your own actions. Instead, you chose to publicly shame the bus driver who recognised how vulnerable you were and didn't want to kill you.
The bus had a signal on before you got alongside it. If you had held back to allow more space for the right turn then you would have maintained better flow for all. It just came down to poor planning I think.
Does it not increase risk by waiting next to a bus when he wants to turn into your lane? Maybe the camera view made it seem more risky than it actually was, but I would've either held back behind the bus or tried to get in front. Not saying what you did was wrong, just curious. Great video
It was wrong though. The car had held back giving the bus the space it needs to pull out, Ashley then fitered through and took that space. He should have read the situation and either held back behind the bus or carried on filtering through. Then for some unknown reason, when the bus pulled off so did Ashley, reducing the space the bus had to safely move over and also putting himself in danger of being hit. I agree with a lot of things Ashley says and does, however I'm completely baffled by his one.
@@rickyburlingham2184 I just rewatched the video now and I couldn't help but cringe when he cycled next to the bus whilst it was indicating and waved them to come out. In his other videos he seems to lecture us a lot about forward planning, looking further ahead etc., seems to have contradicted himself here. So yeah I'd agree with you and say he's in the wrong here.
I always try and let drivers out on my bike, try and get the best flow for everyone.
The problem with the term "cycalist" being used to dehumanise people why I dispise very public figures like Mr VIne playing into the sterotype of the "militant cycalist" . How good was that first driver though.
I find most drivers to be great. It's like everything, 5% cause 95% of all problems.
Yeah the term rider is better than cyclist, you don't call a driver a "carist" that would be weird and usually only a motorist when referring in a certain context or collectively.
Please please cycle better.
Parked cars still have a door zone, and people still don't check for cyclists, hi Vis or not.
As for buses, the cars were holding back as buses are HUGE and need lots of room to manoeuvre, he wasn't angry, probably so confused at why anyone would wait there when you're in the spot he needs to turn, let alone possibly putting yourself under his wheels.
Go beyond or go well behind, never go next to.
Also, that filtering just before the bus was horrific, there really wasn't enough room to filter.
As a driving instructor I really would expect better
Come on Ashley, you’re a great driving instructor but that doesn’t qualify you to present yourself as an expert cyclist.
Sorry but your cycling awareness is no match for years of commuting in heavy traffic (in the dark during winter), getting up at 5am on a Sunday to do a 100 mile training ride in your local hills (regardless of the weather), or escorting three kids on bikes though a busy city to avoid getting stuck in your car in traffic.
The feedback from others here highlights the gaps in your knowledge well as there are any number of good reasons the bus driver acted as he did, not least that it’s safer for everyone if you’re in front of him, especially as he was about to hit the next bus stop.
What bothers me the most is the risk you put yourself in by sitting in the blind spot of an HGV and the message this sends to inexperienced cyclists. Fortunately the bus driver was competent and aware.
I have great respect for your car driving content, but please stop with the cycling perspective stuff, you’re getting too much wrong. Maybe, if this is an area you truly want to help, why not try and collaborate with the likes of #GCN
Great first video on your new TH-cam channel Ashley Neal - Just Cycling Ashley 👍.
Thanks Joseph!
@@AshleyNeal-JustCycling your welcome
I have to agree with others - not your best moment on this one. You stopped in a hazardous position, in a space that the driver might have needed to use. He can't safely emerge while you're using the space next to him.
The bus is indicating to pull out and you've stopped half way along the bus making it more difficult than it needed to be for the driver hence why he was not particularly pleased. Pretty obvious. It's funny that you bash Jeremy Vine yet upload the exact kind of video he would.
Just like the car stopped behind the bus, that's what you need to do as well. You stopped beside the bus, which is not correct, nor safe, nor make it easy for the bus to get across. Letting the bus go is not the issue, you stopped too late because you were focused on narrating your video rather than paying attention to the signalling bus.
I can see why he did that, he was partly in that lane and as you filtered he started to signal to move across and you moved up into that space. He is most likley not come across many cyclist/people who would stop to let the bus go and move into that lane. He thought it may be very tight space for him to get in front of you and the chance of hitting you is high. He does not know that you are an expericed road user/ driving instructor who has good spacial awareness. Unfortunately, there are alot of cyclist who think they own the road/pavment, disregard the highway code and traffic lights. So I do understand to adegree why he start that way but dealt with very well in the end
Very poor positioning from you. You should have either passed the bus, or hung back. Instead you stopped on the road just behind his front wheels, right in the bit of road that he needed to move his bus into to manoeuvre round the parked vehicle easily. He had to move forward till his rear wheels were level with you before he could steer right, meaning he had less space to move around the vehicle. You shouting at him and giving random thumbs up signs didn't make it any better.
Your positioning would have been okay if it had been a car instead of a bus.
The rest of the video seemed to consist of you shouting "I'M FILTERING" with no information on how why or what risks or outcomes you were looking at. In contrast to your driving lesson videos, which you are experienced, competent and qualified to create, this video won't inform and educate new cyclists.u
Ashley, in most of your driving videos you call upon drivers to admit when they are wrong and could have handled things better. You didn't do a good job here, but that's ok, it is a learning moment so you can improve your cycling.
I can’t see any angry behaviour? Maybe you had to be there but the driver just seems to be getting on with his work.
I'd have got angry too, multiple over=exaggerated thumbs ups when he couldn't go as the traffic was stopped. He took it that you were taking him as stupid.
He started the anger after the first one 👍
Well done for this. I’ve enjoyed watching your previous videos as a driver and I’m sure I’ll do the same watching these as a cyclist.
One of the biggest problems at the moment is the infrastructure. How many people would be happy cycling along that stretch of road with their children?
Absolutely none and I wouldn't blame them.
I think that and the conditon of the roads makes it a very dangrous place to be with all the pot holes and very uneven road surface,. Also alot of the UK cities are not set up for car/cyclist/ people they try and cut the pavement down so cyclist have a lane but that just does not always work done for the whole road.
That was all poor - I'm embarrassed for you Ashley - especially when you tried to engage driver at a bus stop - you should just have carried on.
As an HGV driver and regular cyclist who also has a bus licence, I agree with the bus driver here. Ashley's choice to stop where he did was a bad decision.
He stopped in a place that was:
1. Well forward of the rear axle, and, unless the camera is seriously distorting things, I think much closer to the front axle than the rear one, and...
2. Already closer than the 1.5m separation that a larger vehicle is supposed to give a cyclist...
3. As the bus is approaching an obstacle where they need to pull out...
4. And the bus was indicating right well before Ashley decided to filter.
Because of the length of the wheelbase of the bus, it's going to need to pull right reasonably soon after it's pulled away, so its rear axle is going to come even closer than the separation distance that Ashley gave. He's basically blocking the bus from being able to make an easy pull-out, and forcing the driver to be closer to the parked vehicle than necessary.
The driver probably assumed that, as the traffic moved off, Ashley was going to do the same and stay alongside the bus. A lot of road users would do that.
What the bus driver saw was that the red car stopped and created space for him to pull out into, only to have Ashley pull in and fill it. I'm not surprised he was a bit exasperated.
Personally, in this situation, I'd have stopped a metre or so behind the back of the bus (but in front of the following car, to make sure I'm obvious to them), but where I'm visible in the bus driver's mirror, put my foot on the floor (so that the driver can see that I'm definitely stopped), and indicate to the driver that I'm giving way by using my left hand as an obvious "point" across my chest. Gesturing with the right hand might be misinterpreted by someone as a right indication (i.e. "I'm moving left") so I use the "wrong" hand with a pointing index finger, and the black gloves show up nicely against the yellow hi-viz top.
Actually, I wouldn't have been filtering in the first place because whilst it's legal, I tend not to do it as it's putting too much trust in other road users to be alert. But, if the left lane was empty (e.g. a bus lane) and I'd approached the bus, that's how I'd handle it.
The red car was already giving way to the bus so I don't think you should have filtered past that car in the first place. Having got into the wrong place alongside the bus the thumbs up hand signals were not actually clear at all - does thumbs up mean I'm waiting or I'm going? By staying behind the bus you wouldn't need any hand signals because the driver would know you're not in danger.
Suggest a less ambiguous position for a cyclist giving way to the bus would be just behind the bus, but well to the outside, gesturing a give way to the driver, via his wing mirror..
I cycle as my main form of commuting. To ensure I'm seen, I take what us cyclists call "primary" position, which is in the middle of the lane I am in, once I am aware that a car is coming up behind me, I take "secondary" position which is a few inches away from the kerbside. You really don't want to be "in the gutter", as in right up against the kerbside. That's the most dangerous place to be, around my area, the roads have been resurfaced, retarmaced, retarmaced again and retarmaced some more and not once has the road drain grills been raised to the new level of the road, I measured one near my place, there's a good 3 and a half inches between the gutter drain grill and the surface of the road. No matter how slow/fast, or, fast/slow a cyclist is travelling, they are straight over the handlebars. Plus there are other debris by the kerbside. Glad you went out for a cycle to see how the road looks through the eyes of a cyclist. Majority of drivers never stop to think why cyclists are out so far from the kerbside.
Nice video Ash, look forward to the content on this channel too 👍🏼
Hiya Ben! Hope you're well and thanks for kind words.
Not sure I agree with your positioning along side the bus Ashley. where you were and the fact you started moving as the bus did mean that, to pull out, the driver had to come quite close to you. I would have suggested that if you didn't want to pass, waiting behind the bus, out to the right, so you are still visible, might be a better option. Its hard to tell what gap there was between the car in front and the bus, but if it's an option, getting past might be the best option.
I am totally with you on not filtering when traffic is moving, I do the same, when the lights change I stop filtering.
With the "have they seen me" comments, I'm not sure that's what you should be asking, as the majority of the time, you cant really answer it. Sure you have it planned for future vids, but looking more at the small tell-tail signs a driver might be about to manoeuvre, stop, change lanes, open doors, not paying attention etc would be a great one to cover, because most of the time, its obvious what someone will do, a long time before they actually do it
I look forward to more content and ride safe
Nice one Ash, although I don't cycle as much as I drive I'm looking forward to seeing more of these
You talk about not causing arguments and then the issue is over and you go on and talk to them more ? I don't get this and comment he's being rude when he pulls away. Seems like your being a guy with a "dash cam" trying to get footage hypocritical
Bikes should not overtake / filter on zig-zags.
it's not illegal
I love that you do cycling vids too, really happy to see this Ashley … nice work.
As a road cyclist and experienced commuter of over 20 years: when I’m filtering and I see the lights changing I put the hammer down and fly out from the front of the rolling lines of cars like I was just shot out a cannon! 😂
I’m not saying it’s smart or safe or the right thing to do. But it’s what I do. 😅
What is the recommended safe distance for a cyclist to maintain away from a car, while they are undertaking, overtaking and weaving in and out of traffic ?
When I'm on my bike and have the thing where I wave a car through a hazard for both of us and they then wave me through I just unclip, dismount and stand by the side of the road. In situations where neither person has fully agreed priority it's a 50/50 of who goes first and people often get frustrated and 'just go' around the same time.
People with cyclists are annoying - I pulled my MIL up on some stuff at the weekend.
1. She said there was no way you could give 1.5m to overtake a cyclist as it would mean going on the other side of the road!!
2. She said it's frustrating getting stuck behind one for sometimes an hour!! 😂
3. She said they need to pay "road tax" [sic]
I reminded her what the rules of the road are, that she's never been stuck behind a cyclist for an hour as that she's talking shit and that her car is £0 VED hahaha
Love these commentary videos, and i was wondering if this is a habit you always do or if it is something that you only do when you are recording?
I often verbalise most journeys when I'm on my own
Dear Busdriver keep up the good work well done for spotting him in your blind spot
The bus driver was taking care to look after the vulnerable road user. I think he was animated because he wanted you quickly out of way…to avoid leaving cyclist in a relatively vulnerable position and possibly in his blind spot. Giving way is courteous on both sides.
I have to agree on this one with GMBasix, having been a bus driver for 20 plus years around london being a bus driver means you have eyes everywhere anticipating the next danger to you your passengers and pedestrians cars cyclists animals and children on the loose and of course passengers asking questions at the wrong time its a lot of pressure and if you had been in his space it may just have raised the pressure slightly to give a small puff it wasnt against you its the job and 95% of bus drivers handle it in an professional manner, personely i would have stuck my arm out and waved you on but then again you were holding back the cars that proberbly would not let have me out so descisions descisions descisions all in the space of 2-3 seconds and doing it well and safely. thats a bus drivers job, thanks for the video though brought some memories back to me. love to all.
I once, while cycling to work, followed a guy down a big hill and waved him down at the bottom. He kicked off telling me he gave me loads of space and I should be grateful. I calmly told him he had two brake lights out.
I appreciate what you were doing with the Bus and filtering etc. However, you probably should not have drawn parallel with the Bus, it was clearly signaling to come out and around that parked car. By being alongside it, you made the bus driver quite wary of making their maneuver, when you could have just held back and not occupied the parallel space. If it were me I would have just held back, let the bus go. Your positioning caused doubt and hesitation to the bus driver in this circumstance - unusal for you Ash !
You get a lot of grumpy bus drivers. Think working with the public can do that to you
I actually am totally with Ashley on this one, and I think a lot of comments are misunderstanding the situation. He's saying to the bus, "When the traffic gets moving, I'm waiting back here until you're gone." He's not telling him to literally go right now lol. And the reason Ashley kept gesturing was only in response to the bus driver continually gesturing - he wasn't trying to 'hurry him up' or anything. No issue here. Ashley was being nice, and the bus driver wasn't used to people being nice to him, simple as that.
I think the bus driver was confused and a bit taken away by what you were doing. He had never experienced Ashley cycling until now 🤣. Hope the education pulls through to other cyclists.
There are actually more of us who ride like Ashley 👍
And drivers mate😂
Also to car and van drivers.
I am both a cyclist and a car driver and i must admit i would be very weary of filtering on my bike because i simply do not trust drivers as bizarre as that must sound..I tend to hug the kerb where possible..Thank you for your video and stay safe.
I actually don't know why you went alongside the bus in the first place. From a few cars back you can see he's indicating to change lanes, or go around that obstacle, and I wouldn't have tried to filter through there if I wasn't sure there was a gap in front of the bus to go through.
The camera lens obviously doesn't portray everything perfectly. However, You looked pretty close to the rear side of that bus. If us cyclists expect 1.5 meters of space, then when traffic starts flowing, we should at least give vehicles comfort that we aren't intentionally putting ourselves too close to them for no reason. Particularly larger vehicles with a good chance of the rear swinging out as the vehicle turns.
Tbf he probably couldn’t understand your accent pal
It’s great to see you cycling! That’s amazing! Stay safe too 🎉😊
What made you think the bus driver was angry, he even gave up a thanks thumbs up when you got level with cab window.
As a bus driver and from a bus drivers perspective, you were along side him, where he least wants you. He'd rather you get in front of him where he can see you properly. Two worst places for a cyclist to be is behind and alongside.
I appreciate and understand your thinking, but .......
Seems to me that you were in the wrong.
He was indicating to pull out when you passed him, yet you cycled up the side of the bus and waited in a spot where you made his exit harder.
Also, later in the video, you cycle through a red light at a pedestrian crossing whilst still pontificating about the bus driver.
The wide angle of the camera may prove me wrong, but I suspect the bus driver believe it was a tight spot and didn’t have confidence he could get out, therefore wanted you out of his blind spot to make the manoeuvre. Even still his aggressive behaviour was bizzare
I don't know the traffic laws in the UK so I don't know if you're supposed to yield to the bus. However for the bus driver, a lot of things happen inside the bus and in other cases, if they take forever or don't move, don't be mad as they cannot move unless the inside of the bus is safe.
I think the bus driver was more confused than angry. He couldn’t move his bus an inch and yet a cyclist kept waving him out as if he had an open road.
“Funny how some people are!!” Never a truer word
Question….when motorists pass cyclists, the gap we should leave is much larger than the space available when a cyclist filters. So is filtering like that creating unnecessary risk?
Do remember cyclists that drivers almost always underestimate your speed.
The bus driver seemed to gesture u to move past him to make it easier for him to pull out. Plus he looked like he was thinking “y u stopping there u idiot? Just keep going past me”
You're sat 3/4 of the way back just waiting to get squashed by his back wheel any mistakes. And while you're gesturing for him to go, for all he knows, you could be saying it's my right of way, I want to go there.
So, in my opinion, to be fair to the bus driver, better safe than sorry. 🤷♀️
What camera do you use?
mostly agree with your decisions in this, although I think you made this more of an incident than it had to be when you pulled up next to the bus to tell the driver off, I don't think that was necessary and adds needless stress and escalation to the situation. good on the bus driver for not getting lairy back at you.
I actually think it did the opposite, especially after you see his thumbs up 👍
@@AshleyNeal-JustCycling was that after you explained? The title of the video is The angry bus driver, if you are right, why would he be angry?
The filtering section from 1 minute on you're asking for trouble in my opinion. I've been motorcycling and cycling and filtering for years and that pass between the black cars was through an absolute no go zone. Nowhere near enough room to ever be safe.
The 360 camera distortion has conned you a bit 👍
@@AshleyNeal-JustCycling perhaps, but you're still in trouble if either moves to the middle, for any unplanned reason. And it's saved you almost zero time.
I have a list of 'never go there' positions when I'm on two wheels. Assume "Mrs Blunders" is driving every other vehicle.
Bus drivers get a lot of flak, all day, from everywhere. It's likely that he initially thought you weren't being nice (as it's unusual), then realised your real intentions a few moments later.
If I’m in front of the busses rear wheel I’m going. That’s the danger zone
If you had stopped alongside my bus in that position, I would have waved you past rather than take the chance of side swiping you or hitting you with the tail swing as I manouver around the parked car ahead, even though it was fully on the pavement we still have to give it some room. It would be better to clear the bus or wait behind than stop alongside when you can see that he has to pull out to the right and swing back in.
Great channel, thanks. Affiliate links don’t seem to work on iPhone - what’s the camera you’re using?
Affiliate links will work in another 24 hours when google give the channel verification. Even though it's the same account as my main channel Lol
The camera is an Insta 360 R
@@AshleyNeal-JustCycling Thanks! 👍 Great to witness your calm logic on 2 wheels
It is funny how people are; at t-lights I gave a quick flash to the texting audi a6 in front to let him know the lights were green, no response, so a gentle toot on the horn elicited a finger out the sunroof 🖕 B4 he sped off - "you're welcome fellow road user" 😂
I hate being called 'Buddy' or 'Mate' because it's condescending. I sympathise with the bus driver.
He didn't seem very upset?
I think filtering can be very dangerous and never do it unless completely safe.
I'm a cyclist and always give way to bus drivers if they're pulling out ahead of me.
The problem I find with it though is that I then spend most of the journey to work with me and the bus driver overtaking each other every few hundred yards. They speed up and overtake, then they stop at a bus stop and I overtake them. It's not the nicest place to be at the side of the bus, knowing the driver might not see you. Especially if it happens several times in the commute.
I'm a new bus driver and I find myself in this situation a lot, I'll only over take a cyclist's if a can properly clear but even then the situation you described still happens and for me it's frustrating as it starts to seem pointless over taking and yet I can't just sit behind a bike. If it starts to happen I always try and let the cyclist's know I acknowledge the absurdity of what's going on by a friendly wave.
I always try and drive with, what if that was somebody I know or myself attitude to other drivers (whether I'm in my bus or my car) and that helps me.
However as you say sometimes this is just unavoidable.
@@matthewflanagan9097 Yeh I can understand the frustration. It's kinda annoying for both parties because no one wants to be holding the other person up for so long.
Sometimes I'll just pull to the side and give the bus driver a couple of hundred metres to drive ahead and then it avoids the awkward interaction for at least some of the journey.
3:10 you did that all wrong, what you should do there is ride alongside them in the blind spot, then when you're pushed into the kerb through your own poor positioning, shout "you're on camera, you're being reported" then loudly state the registration number for posterity.
So now I'm subscribed to Not Just Bikes and Just Cycling...
This should be submitted to @CycleGaz for inclusion in his next Silly Cyclists video.😁
Do you think he got annoyed because you gestured a few times and he clearly had nowhere to go. Just a misunderstanding.
Welcome to the world of motorcyclists. 😂
reminding me why i will never get on a bike
When you cycle between lanes #1 and #2 in stationary traffic, you are reducing the safe distance between vehicles to considerably less than 1.5m, thereby INCREASING RISK. That's bad practice. What if a car door opened?
Some people expect others to be aggressive, not just cyclists, but I think when you’re as explicit with messages, people think it’s the sender giving out.