If you use it on this visit you get a milk shake with every 10 visits. If you redeem it with the next its every 11 visits (assuming you do not get a punchcard mark when you redeem)
I've watched this entire show in literally 5 days a couple of weeks ago and fell in love with it. This is one of the best shows I've ever seen, the story, characters, the way it's shot and the lighting, it's so unique and beautiful
I feel like so many people stop watching at season 2. It's unfair to the show. Imo, it's easily the best among the best TV/movies of the decade. No one in my social circle has watched it till the end, so sad.
@@kiribundi Yeah I liked season 2 but in my opinion out of the 4, season 2 is the weakest but for this show " weak " is still absolutely fantastic. Season 3 and 4 however are probably the best seasons I've seen in any show. I never thought they would be able to do a satisfying ending to such a crazy TV show but I actually found it really good
@@mordor1779 Enjoy the Mr Robot high while it lasts! The last two episodes are blow minding. I found them more satisfying than the finale of Dark (although Dark is much more popular)...
I totaly agree! I started watching the last season and although I get always kinda depressed when I watch it, it is one of the best shows I’ve seen. And Rami Malek is just AMAZING!!!
@@mordor1779 Season 2 of Mr. Robot is basically the Season 3 of Breaking Bad, which focuses more on character building rather than moving the plot forward.
B.D. Wong is completely underrated and understated. BTW, I think a clock that ticks every minute is a good idea in some instances. Mainly when talking face to face with people who take me/my time for granted. Lost time can never be regained.
3:25 is a great little piece of set design. The stickers on the windshield denote that eCoin already has more spending power than the US Dollar at this point in the story.
" Have I ever told you that Mr . Alderson's father used to work for us on this project . Unbeknownest to him , of course . In fact , it was his great engineering work that led to some of our early successes . " I wish we could have more background stroy behind this line of Whiterose ...
This is my favorite opening. I love how Julie Andrews' voice distorts right at that sOoOoOoOaring part. And the melody is perfect for how apathetic Whiterose is about killing Elliot once he serves his purpose, plus the peek at their project.
@@thatcrockpot1530 Mr Robot's voice is distorted when Elliot got shot. As the camera pans out of Elliot's eyes, the music audio is distorted as well because he's in the same/similar physical state.
The creators of 'Mr. Robot' owe a great deal to David Lynch's work. From the camera angles, to the atmosphere to the soundtrack, to the underlying themes of all-pervasive yet hidden corruption, the loss of one's identity to that corruption, the psychosis induced by that corruption......yep...... there's a lot of 'Twin Peaks' in this show.
To this day, I wish we learned more about that machine and Whiterose's purpose. Those who are into science fiction might have an idea but would have been a lot better to see it in the series.
Pretty sure it was a failed idea from whiterose as a way to pull ourselves from a multiverse. That's why Angela tells Eliot it's going to be okay and they can see their parents again.
Just realized that's the dude that played Gyp Rosetti in boardwalk empire. He is super talented especially when it comes to playing these types of characters
Funnily enough, it's the clerk who is upholding principles. She could have broken her rules, whoever stupid and undisclosed they may be, and give him a milkshake, but she stood by the policy.
But the issue here is the policy itself is flawed, or she just doesn’t understand it enough. There needs to be specific conditions on what qualifies as a “next visit”. For all we know a next visit simply means leaving the premises then coming back again. But from what she’s saying, she obviously doesn’t allow that.
@@BastardOfTheNorth and the policy is flawed and therefore allows some leniency. You see what I am saying? Also in a fast food restaurant no is paid enough to care about the logistics on what is considered their "next visit" she could've just done it anyways.
I don't think there's much of a mystery about the machine. It's very clearly some quantum / multiverse woo, and as price tells us it's the product of the imagination of a person who never moved on from the first stage of grief and is destined to not work, or worse... That the machine could possibly do anything and everything is precisely the point, the specifics explicitly don't matter.
Just finished watching Mr. Robot, November 2020. While I’m not recommending it to everyone, I can say - looking at it through a certain lens - it’s one of the most profound shows I’ve ever watched. Not looked at through a certain lens, I suppose the show is just silly. This morning I stumbled on a quote that characterizes the “lens” though which I believe the show ought to be watched; if you get to its resolution at the very end, this quote will make total sense: The largest part of what we call personality is determined by how we’ve opted to defend ourselves against anxiety and sadness.” Alain de Botton
It's a great show either way. Casting, story and cinematography are very good, suspense is intense. It's quality is not very consistent (I think the second season, especially it's first half, is good, but considerably weaker than the others), and some narrative choices are questionable, but again, it's almost impossible to find a show that doesn't suffer from these at least to some extent.
People were thinking that Whiterose's machine was a way of traveling through the multiverse, but I thought that it was more related through hacking--specifically, being able to hack time. That is what Whiterose says during the first meeting after all. I personally thought the machine was capable of hacking the computer systems of the past (comparable to Tenet's reverse entropy and how the future is able to communicate with the past). For example, being able to pass or manipulate information in the past alters the future, so if you are able to hack the past to give your past self the benefits for the future, would that not be something you would want to do? You would only ever be able to do it once as once you alter the timeline, it will be permanent until you build the machine again possibly... but by then, you should have everything you want handed to you by the actions of your future self. Whiterose wants to hack time to change the past and all of her followers believe in this idea as they want to join that future.
"There's nothing I can do..." This is exactly what George Carlin was referring to when he said that the owners of our country need obedient workers who are just smart enough to do the job, but just dumb enough that they don't ask questions and sort out how they're getting fucked.
Bruh i love carlin and he is absolutely right about a lot of things but when it comes to this I think there was a little something missing which is fear, the reason employees follow stupid policies more often than not is that they're punished for not following them. I've seen a guy get reamed and almost fired for taking home some of the food they were supposed to toss in the garbage that night
If anyone wondering ive worked at about half a dozen retail places between food service and basic retail, and a visit has been described as any unique purchase. Doesnt help does it
She says "unbeknownst to him", which makes sense because he worked at the plant, which gave him cancer. That's pretty much it. Like the previous comment says, she brings it up for symbolism.
I wouldn’t say that. I could understand why people would say that, but all she’s saying is Edward died working for E Corp, which means, by proxy, he was working toward Whiterose’s machine. Given Whiterose’s obsession with her machine (And her complete dissociation with reality), that’s why she says that Edward died for a worthy cause. This matters because it makes Whiterose (Technically) directly responsible for Elliot losing his father.
Whiterose was never a hacker (or if she was she wasn't that good) she was a politician, that's what she was good at. Her original motivation in the series was to move to America to be with her lover as a woman. Her lover was eventually arranged to be married to another woman and Whiterose at this point is still presenting herself as male for better political status and hiding the fact that she's a trans woman from the CCP because she would obviously lose her job instantly if it were known. At the wedding, she drops the bomb on her lover, she can't go to America with him, she's accepted a job in Beijing, basically putting her job before her man and this drives him crazy and he kills himself. Whiterose would go on to blame herself for the suicide for her entire life and have a series of lovers, but never settles down/moves on. This this series of events essentially defines her and her motivation for the rest of her life. You refer to WR as he but it's very important in understanding who WR is that you recognize that WR is a closeted trans woman, not a man. This is confirmed canon by Sam Esmail, WR is not a dude. WR only dresses and acts like a man to keep her job and reputation intact. This is why when we see her perfect world version in the finale she is shown at a public event but is dressed in her preffered clothing (dress, wig). That's because in a perfect world WR wouldn't have to pretend she was a man to do what she's good at. Getting back to what she is, WR's life story is explained very quickly in S4E2 by Price. She worked her way up through the CCP, got a lot of clout, used her sway in the Chinese govt to help rich oligarchs around the planet get richer in exchange for powerful alliances, formed the deus group, used the money from the deus group to fund the dark army, then started work on her machine. At first she used Washington Township, but eventually that fell apart when Price decided to throw her under the bus. She then tries to relocate her project to the Congo but is stopped by Elliot, Price, and Darlene before she can. What was her machine? We don't get a very specific answer, but it's basically some sort of device that could create a perfect world. It's bogus, it probably never would have worked, and was just a testimony to WR's guilt that she chose her job over her man all those years ago. She was very intelligent but just like Angela she just got roped into believing that science could bring someone back from the dead. That's it. She believes it will work and make the world better for everyone which is why she thinks she is justified in all the horrible things she does as leader of the dark army.
@@clos4749 wow thanks for this amazing summary. it’s really rare to find people actually understand what’s going on throughout the show, let alone talk about it.
@@clos4749 this is exactly what I am thinking about the ending and the summary of Whiterose's character. i think this is the best explanation that we can reach from all the episode and scenes that Sam Esmail wanted to show his viewers.
@@clos4749 I think the point of WhiteRose's machine and maybe the whole point of the show honestly is that both characters were trying to make a perfect world. One via hacking away everyone's debt, the other by using science to create an alternate timeline where all of our wildest dreams come true. Both are completely nonsensical and could never really work, but that's the point, as good intentioned as Eliot was in the first episode when he just wanted to redistribute wealth, people are messy and the world is so much more complicated than that. Ultimately what matters is your friends and family relationships and that's evidenced by how Eliot did anything he could to hide himself from the fact that his relationship with his father was horrible and he eventually just chose to live life with Darlene one day at a time.
@@mehoymenoy8841 excellent analysis, I totally agree. It's worth noting that ofc Elliot is something of an antihero, he does some really messed up things throughout the series to achieve his goals. Olivia and Bill come to mind, he was totally willing to step over those people in order to get what he needed. WR, though presented as a villain throughout the series, is more sympathetic than we are initially led to believe. Though she commits atrocities on a larger scale than Elliot ever did, her rationale is, like you said, very similar to Elliot's: the ends justify the means. The scene where the Dark Army dude confronts WR on the cyber bombings stuck with me a lot; WR says something along the lines of: "That's the only thing these men understand, force and violence" WR is likely the least evil member of the Deus Group because she's not motivated by greed or a lust for power, but rather a delusion she can make the world perfect.
Any normal employee with a brain of their own, would of just given the dude the free milkshake, to avoid an argument… over a fairly earned free milkshake 😂
So what actually was the machine in the end? Just seems as though in the end Whiterose believed when you die you go to another world without there really being any info on *why* WR thinks this or what the machine has to do with it. Liked the show but I'm really unsure what Whiterose's plan actually was.
it's not really important. whiterose was, on a narrative point of view, elliot's shadow. as elliot was hurt he coped with it by coming up with different alters, she was hurt too and the way she coped with it was by building this machine that supposedly could let you travel through alternate timelines/universes; she started believing so much in this that by the end she had gone insane and ultimately killed herself, sure that she was going to go to a better place. it just served as elliot's motif to keep going imo
@@scimeme3623 It’s a particle collider. This smashes particles into each other at high speeds which opens a portal. If it succeeds no one knows what will come out of the portal. This is what the company CERN is currently working on in real life and is being portrayed here on Mr. Robot.
@@doctorblue6375 basically, religious folk like to say its to open a portal for the demons who are trapped on the other side, and invite them into this reality. Its most likely what you said though.
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If we lose our principles, we invite chaos. Irving is so wise.
I dont know what i would have liked more, that whiterose was so insanely close to changing reality as we know it, and that it didnt work. Or that it was the grandest lie of all time so that jsut the view of it became this giant lure for hope.
what do you talking about man? what does this guy know about chaos? didn't you see his reaction when he walk through Eliot thrown on the ground! like he wasn't even that worried about a person about to dying.. this ppl like Irving and white rose are people aren't not that cool as they look its not even a god level you need to see deeply through their personalities..
Its amazing how not one person understood the true ending of Mr robot and how white roses machine actually worked! They go on rants about the show being more about mental illness then the machine but missed the whole point. Just before the machine goes off white rose gives Elliot the choice to choose what happens. He then finds a book with ressurection and exit clues attached that lead him to a computer game. The computer game is his choosing of how the machine will work and recreate the parallel world. Remember he plays the game twice which is very important. The first time he plays he leaves his weak friend (Darlene) behind in the dungeon and eacapes to a beach (ocean of time) and a boat takes him to a new world. The 2nd time he chooses to stay in the dungeon with his friend. So there ends up being two elliots. One that escapes to the new world and leaves behind his best friend (as he calls her in his own words when describing her to the other elliot when talking about fantasizing about the hacker Elliott and his hacker friend Darlene). The other elliot experiences digital glitches (showing the machine is working behind the scenes) and experiences a different reality (the one he chose where he would stay in the dungeon or old reality with his friend darlene) therefor undergoes a different perception of what's happening. He is told he's in a created loop he's made for the real elliot while being in a comma from the explosion which keeps him in the dungeon with his friend Darlene as she sits beside him on the hospital bed. He couldve had the new parallel perfect life but chose to stay in the dungeon of the old one where he developed an identity crisis because of the split realities trying to both make since at the same time from him deciding to play twice which programmed the machine to create two elliots and two different events that would both happen simultaneously. The key to the final show is the computer game he played that programmed the machine. I cant believe no one got this. Not one person understood the ending.
that's a really interesting idea but, how does that fit in with the mental illness that is so central the show up to that point? it's not like they're throwing that away
@@vendybirdsvadl7472 He used a couple of different laptops on the show. I think he first got one when Tyrell Wellick's wife contacted Elliot to track down the phone number that kept calling her. Then at some point later in the series he switched over to a razer blade.
weren't they all his personalities and the situations were just him changing characters? like all the people we focus on are his different personalities?
So... Whiterose only make that machine because of the love of his life who suicide he really don't want to "change the world" and help the people, he is only planning to use it on himself.
Whoever reading this and after watching Mr.robot try to watch a documentary in Netflix MONSTER INSIDE 24 FACES OF BILLY MILLIGAN and you appreciate this show more
What's even funnier is all the people still wondering what the machine would do! Is that how good the writing is, that White Rose brain washed them as well? It's established WhiteRose is nuts. Even Price (the most level headed guy) told us the viewers straight up, "It will never work, she is insane," to that effect.
The machine was a bullshit, pseudo-science mirage born from Whiterose's denial of reality. Truth is Elliot's father's death, the leak of Washington Power Plant, even annexation of Kongo by China - it all served an agenda that was destined to fail from the very beginning. Shows how dangerous deranged individuals with great power are - both Whiterose and Elliot.
@@Marcus51090 The character still is imo... One of the greatest antagonists of all time. She truly believed in her project and managed to influence everyone around her...
But seriously, what qualifies as a next visit??? Irving had a point there
Making another full meal order that's totally unrelated to the previous, I think.
He would've probably just needed to close the order receiving a receipt and then order again, would've been great if he did.
apparently never
Literally me with a customer today lol.
If you use it on this visit you get a milk shake with every 10 visits. If you redeem it with the next its every 11 visits (assuming you do not get a punchcard mark when you redeem)
I love how he already has 9 punches on the day of the grand opening
That's good and funny but he could have got them on another franchise :)
He goes there a lot, possibly multiple times a day. Since it's 1 punch for every "visit" but what is a visit?
So true. How the heck did that happen, lol.
time travel baby
Because it’s a chain store.
Bobby Cannavale as Irving in season 3 is just perfect casting. Cool, calm, and as we see terrifying.
I've watched this entire show in literally 5 days a couple of weeks ago and fell in love with it. This is one of the best shows I've ever seen, the story, characters, the way it's shot and the lighting, it's so unique and beautiful
I feel like so many people stop watching at season 2. It's unfair to the show. Imo, it's easily the best among the best TV/movies of the decade. No one in my social circle has watched it till the end, so sad.
@@kiribundi Yeah I liked season 2 but in my opinion out of the 4, season 2 is the weakest but for this show " weak " is still absolutely fantastic. Season 3 and 4 however are probably the best seasons I've seen in any show. I never thought they would be able to do a satisfying ending to such a crazy TV show but I actually found it really good
@@mordor1779 Enjoy the Mr Robot high while it lasts! The last two episodes are blow minding. I found them more satisfying than the finale of Dark (although Dark is much more popular)...
I totaly agree! I started watching the last season and although I get always kinda depressed when I watch it, it is one of the best shows I’ve seen. And Rami Malek is just AMAZING!!!
@@mordor1779 Season 2 of Mr. Robot is basically the Season 3 of Breaking Bad, which focuses more on character building rather than moving the plot forward.
$12.95 for a milkshake? wtf that's so expensive
That's New York City for you, baby!
Pulp fiction?
New York:
> in one neighborhood a coffee is $15
>in the neighborhood just down the block, you can get a whole pizza for $5
Reminds me of Pulp Fiction, when Vincent complains that a $5 regular milkshake is too expensive. That was back in '94.
Inflation because the main currency is shutdown with the hack
My gosh, the cinematography and the directing always gets on me, even on these short clips.
6:48 This is my favorite Mr Robot openning.
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B.D. Wong is completely underrated and understated.
BTW, I think a clock that ticks every minute is a good idea in some instances. Mainly when talking face to face with people who take me/my time for granted. Lost time can never be regained.
3:25 is a great little piece of set design. The stickers on the windshield denote that eCoin already has more spending power than the US Dollar at this point in the story.
I missed that. I thought that one ecoin was owrth one dollar though.
One of the most brilliant shows I've ever seen. It always had me guessing, confused, surprised and I was genuinely sad when it was over.
" Have I ever told you that Mr . Alderson's father used to work for us on this project .
Unbeknownest to him , of course .
In fact , it was his great engineering work that led to some of our early successes . "
I wish we could have more background stroy behind this line of Whiterose ...
*Alderson
It's interesting, but sadly it probably wouldn't be deep enough for the show to expand upon.
Irving is a straight up comic book character. I love it.
Totally a cop in spider-man
This is my favorite opening. I love how Julie Andrews' voice distorts right at that sOoOoOoOaring part. And the melody is perfect for how apathetic Whiterose is about killing Elliot once he serves his purpose, plus the peek at their project.
Do you know the name of the song she is singing?
@@cristianjuarez1086 "whistling away the dark"
The distortion in her voice is a clear reference to The Matrix.
The sound is the same Neo makes when he takes the red pill and wakes up in his pod.
@@thatcrockpot1530 Mr Robot's voice is distorted when Elliot got shot. As the camera pans out of Elliot's eyes, the music audio is distorted as well because he's in the same/similar physical state.
The way she realizes she was probably just going back n forth with a dangerous man absolutely kills me
God I love Irving. His Aha, Aha is awesome. The whole character is awesome.
Aha. I agree.
The redwheelbarrow flame at 1:49 was like the pyro in the prison.
Irving is just saul Goodman if he went gangsta
Better Call Irving
Virgin Saul vs Chad Irving
He's kinda like Mike, Saul and Lalo in the same person
@@tsnhd yeah I was gonna say he kinda reminds me of Lalo
No Irving is the wolf from pulp fiction " if you boys are seeing me that means you fucked up"
The creators of 'Mr. Robot' owe a great deal to David Lynch's work. From the camera angles, to the atmosphere to the soundtrack, to the underlying themes of all-pervasive yet hidden corruption, the loss of one's identity to that corruption, the psychosis induced by that corruption......yep...... there's a lot of 'Twin Peaks' in this show.
I’d argue Esmail is paving his road in a substantially different direction than Lynch.
And You owe a great deal to the delusion that the creators have anything to owe to Lynch for their own work.
Except David Lynch's plot lines are literally Elliot's day 5 on Adderall no sleep journaling 😂
To this day, I wish we learned more about that machine and Whiterose's purpose. Those who are into science fiction might have an idea but would have been a lot better to see it in the series.
Bro I’m into scifi and honestly got no clue
Pretty sure it was a failed idea from whiterose as a way to pull ourselves from a multiverse. That's why Angela tells Eliot it's going to be okay and they can see their parents again.
Its cern
Look into the cern machine
@@gz6148 man that’s what I thought as well. CERN experiment starting July 5th
Nothing more powerful than composure.
Love this
Just realized that's the dude that played Gyp Rosetti in boardwalk empire. He is super talented especially when it comes to playing these types of characters
Irving is hands down my favourite character.
Funnily enough, it's the clerk who is upholding principles. She could have broken her rules, whoever stupid and undisclosed they may be, and give him a milkshake, but she stood by the policy.
But the issue here is the policy itself is flawed, or she just doesn’t understand it enough. There needs to be specific conditions on what qualifies as a “next visit”. For all we know a next visit simply means leaving the premises then coming back again. But from what she’s saying, she obviously doesn’t allow that.
@@nattokami9598 She's justba representative. She doesn't write policy.
@@BastardOfTheNorth and the policy is flawed and therefore allows some leniency. You see what I am saying? Also in a fast food restaurant no is paid enough to care about the logistics on what is considered their "next visit" she could've just done it anyways.
I almost thought there was going to be a follow up season... Excited, confused and disappointed all at the same time 😅
6:48 this scene opening is just like the ending but in reverse
I don't think there's much of a mystery about the machine. It's very clearly some quantum / multiverse woo, and as price tells us it's the product of the imagination of a person who never moved on from the first stage of grief and is destined to not work, or worse...
That the machine could possibly do anything and everything is precisely the point, the specifics explicitly don't matter.
"When we lose our principles we invite chaos."
Seems awfully apt to life today.
I mean that's been a driving truism all throughout the history of human civilization.
You just described my ex's entry into his mid life crisis lol.
Rewatching the whole thing soon 💯
Yes it felt so sad when i finished it
Just finished watching Mr. Robot, November 2020. While I’m not recommending it to everyone, I can say - looking at it through a certain lens - it’s one of the most profound shows I’ve ever watched. Not looked at through a certain lens, I suppose the show is just silly.
This morning I stumbled on a quote that characterizes the “lens” though which I believe the show ought to be watched; if you get to its resolution at the very end, this quote will make total sense: The largest part of what we call personality is determined by how we’ve opted to defend ourselves against anxiety and sadness.” Alain de Botton
It's a great show either way. Casting, story and cinematography are very good, suspense is intense. It's quality is not very consistent (I think the second season, especially it's first half, is good, but considerably weaker than the others), and some narrative choices are questionable, but again, it's almost impossible to find a show that doesn't suffer from these at least to some extent.
* to define ourselves
That was the moment when I was thinking that the show turn to a sci-fi
God every time I watch this, I’m captivated. This opening was ice fucking cold.
I didn’t know I always wanted to see the even deeper dark side of BD Wong after all of his experience on Oz & SVU...
It must be above the “Time machine” concept 🤩
People were thinking that Whiterose's machine was a way of traveling through the multiverse, but I thought that it was more related through hacking--specifically, being able to hack time. That is what Whiterose says during the first meeting after all. I personally thought the machine was capable of hacking the computer systems of the past (comparable to Tenet's reverse entropy and how the future is able to communicate with the past). For example, being able to pass or manipulate information in the past alters the future, so if you are able to hack the past to give your past self the benefits for the future, would that not be something you would want to do? You would only ever be able to do it once as once you alter the timeline, it will be permanent until you build the machine again possibly... but by then, you should have everything you want handed to you by the actions of your future self. Whiterose wants to hack time to change the past and all of her followers believe in this idea as they want to join that future.
they should make a spin off about Irving like they did with Saul in Breaking Bad lol
"uheh?" - a wise philosopher once said
I didnt catch it the first time that Irving writes Angela's name on his palm.
beginning of the end
I hated this dude upon first meeting him but as the series progressed he became one of my favourite characters
Mr. Irving is Michael Douglas' character in Falling Down if he ended up in the Dark Army
oh man, imagine irving with an automatic and a briefcase
this is the best serial I've ever seen
"There's nothing I can do..."
This is exactly what George Carlin was referring to when he said that the owners of our country need obedient workers who are just smart enough to do the job, but just dumb enough that they don't ask questions and sort out how they're getting fucked.
It doesn't have anything to do with her being dumb though.
Bruh i love carlin and he is absolutely right about a lot of things but when it comes to this I think there was a little something missing which is fear, the reason employees follow stupid policies more often than not is that they're punished for not following them. I've seen a guy get reamed and almost fired for taking home some of the food they were supposed to toss in the garbage that night
If anyone wondering ive worked at about half a dozen retail places between food service and basic retail, and a visit has been described as any unique purchase. Doesnt help does it
2:17 the sweat spot looks like a coffin...
I doubt thats intentional but with Mr Robot who knows!!
Weird - I totally noticed that too!
The thing about Elliot's father working on Whiterose's machine was a dropped plot point, wasn't it?
No, it just never mattered to begin with. Because its """"symbolism"""" for her obsession.
Or some other bullshit like that.
She says "unbeknownst to him", which makes sense because he worked at the plant, which gave him cancer. That's pretty much it. Like the previous comment says, she brings it up for symbolism.
I wouldn’t say that. I could understand why people would say that, but all she’s saying is Edward died working for E Corp, which means, by proxy, he was working toward Whiterose’s machine. Given Whiterose’s obsession with her machine (And her complete dissociation with reality), that’s why she says that Edward died for a worthy cause. This matters because it makes Whiterose (Technically) directly responsible for Elliot losing his father.
7:01 beep beep.
I never completley understand white rose, like even the "sane" parts. Was white rose a hacker before he become minister?
Whiterose was never a hacker (or if she was she wasn't that good) she was a politician, that's what she was good at. Her original motivation in the series was to move to America to be with her lover as a woman. Her lover was eventually arranged to be married to another woman and Whiterose at this point is still presenting herself as male for better political status and hiding the fact that she's a trans woman from the CCP because she would obviously lose her job instantly if it were known. At the wedding, she drops the bomb on her lover, she can't go to America with him, she's accepted a job in Beijing, basically putting her job before her man and this drives him crazy and he kills himself. Whiterose would go on to blame herself for the suicide for her entire life and have a series of lovers, but never settles down/moves on. This this series of events essentially defines her and her motivation for the rest of her life. You refer to WR as he but it's very important in understanding who WR is that you recognize that WR is a closeted trans woman, not a man. This is confirmed canon by Sam Esmail, WR is not a dude. WR only dresses and acts like a man to keep her job and reputation intact. This is why when we see her perfect world version in the finale she is shown at a public event but is dressed in her preffered clothing (dress, wig). That's because in a perfect world WR wouldn't have to pretend she was a man to do what she's good at.
Getting back to what she is, WR's life story is explained very quickly in S4E2 by Price. She worked her way up through the CCP, got a lot of clout, used her sway in the Chinese govt to help rich oligarchs around the planet get richer in exchange for powerful alliances, formed the deus group, used the money from the deus group to fund the dark army, then started work on her machine. At first she used Washington Township, but eventually that fell apart when Price decided to throw her under the bus. She then tries to relocate her project to the Congo but is stopped by Elliot, Price, and Darlene before she can.
What was her machine? We don't get a very specific answer, but it's basically some sort of device that could create a perfect world. It's bogus, it probably never would have worked, and was just a testimony to WR's guilt that she chose her job over her man all those years ago. She was very intelligent but just like Angela she just got roped into believing that science could bring someone back from the dead. That's it. She believes it will work and make the world better for everyone which is why she thinks she is justified in all the horrible things she does as leader of the dark army.
@@clos4749 wow thanks for this amazing summary. it’s really rare to find people actually understand what’s going on throughout the show, let alone talk about it.
@@clos4749 this is exactly what I am thinking about the ending and the summary of Whiterose's character.
i think this is the best explanation that we can reach from all the episode and scenes that Sam Esmail wanted to show his viewers.
@@clos4749 I think the point of WhiteRose's machine and maybe the whole point of the show honestly is that both characters were trying to make a perfect world. One via hacking away everyone's debt, the other by using science to create an alternate timeline where all of our wildest dreams come true. Both are completely nonsensical and could never really work, but that's the point, as good intentioned as Eliot was in the first episode when he just wanted to redistribute wealth, people are messy and the world is so much more complicated than that. Ultimately what matters is your friends and family relationships and that's evidenced by how Eliot did anything he could to hide himself from the fact that his relationship with his father was horrible and he eventually just chose to live life with Darlene one day at a time.
@@mehoymenoy8841 excellent analysis, I totally agree. It's worth noting that ofc Elliot is something of an antihero, he does some really messed up things throughout the series to achieve his goals. Olivia and Bill come to mind, he was totally willing to step over those people in order to get what he needed.
WR, though presented as a villain throughout the series, is more sympathetic than we are initially led to believe. Though she commits atrocities on a larger scale than Elliot ever did, her rationale is, like you said, very similar to Elliot's: the ends justify the means. The scene where the Dark Army dude confronts WR on the cyber bombings stuck with me a lot; WR says something along the lines of:
"That's the only thing these men understand, force and violence"
WR is likely the least evil member of the Deus Group because she's not motivated by greed or a lust for power, but rather a delusion she can make the world perfect.
0:59 it's all about sending a message
Any normal employee with a brain of their own, would of just given the dude the free milkshake, to avoid an argument… over a fairly earned free milkshake 😂
what an character this is only show i have been encounter had so many great persona
"Uh-huh"
This is one of the best opening sequences to an episode of tv I've ever scene.
So what actually was the machine in the end? Just seems as though in the end Whiterose believed when you die you go to another world without there really being any info on *why* WR thinks this or what the machine has to do with it. Liked the show but I'm really unsure what Whiterose's plan actually was.
it's not really important. whiterose was, on a narrative point of view, elliot's shadow. as elliot was hurt he coped with it by coming up with different alters, she was hurt too and the way she coped with it was by building this machine that supposedly could let you travel through alternate timelines/universes; she started believing so much in this that by the end she had gone insane and ultimately killed herself, sure that she was going to go to a better place.
it just served as elliot's motif to keep going imo
CERN particle collider. He/she was working on a portal.
@@thetruthhurts9220 pop I don’t get what the machine is at the end of this?
@@scimeme3623 It’s a particle collider. This smashes particles into each other at high speeds which opens a portal. If it succeeds no one knows what will come out of the portal. This is what the company CERN is currently working on in real life and is being portrayed here on Mr. Robot.
@@thetruthhurts9220 The thing that sucks about that is if you die you wont know if you died or if the portal really worked
that conversation is an example of amazing writing
Both of them had a point.
The best way? Explain to the customer that 24 hours must pass before another punch can be made
Milkshake for 12.95? Even the appletini costed less
He's not even arguing correctly. The card said "Free milkshake WITH your 10th punch". With your next punch, not after your next punch.
White rose machine looks like a particle accelerator
Yep CERN
I think that's what it is or some sort of pseudo collider. Likely designed to try and open a portal or black hole into other realities or back in time
@@doctorblue6375 basically, religious folk like to say its to open a portal for the demons who are trapped on the other side, and invite them into this reality. Its most likely what you said though.
If we lose our principles, we invite chaos. Irving is so wise.
What do you think, guys? Was white rose’machine real or not?
real.
Can someone PLEASE tell me what soundtrack it is that starts playing around 5:00 !? I need that soundtrack 😭
Julie Andrews - Whistling Away The Dark
@@arthurkaramazov8932 lol she starts singing on 6:58 , not 5:00
I mean that eerie dark theme playing whilst WR is talking to Grant
@@Nonchecker103 It's 2.2_2-annihil4tion.dct.I was looking for it too and finally found it.
What’s the name of this song at the end?
Ah, the ah-huh guy. I remembered.
I dont know what i would have liked more, that whiterose was so insanely close to changing reality as we know it, and that it didnt work. Or that it was the grandest lie of all time so that jsut the view of it became this giant lure for hope.
this scene is a tribute to the movie Falling Down with Michael Douglas
You can see the softbox in his glasses
Can pls somebody explain me the machine ?
What is that ending song? Does anyone know?
Whistling away the dark
@@tomaspardo2013 by Henry Mancini
It grand opening and Irving has ten stamps already. How??
So used car sales man is omniscient about Elliot
"When we loose our principles, we invite chaos"
Either only gods get this or whoever get this becomes god.
what do you talking about man? what does this guy know about chaos? didn't you see his reaction when he walk through Eliot thrown on the ground! like he wasn't even that worried about a person about to dying.. this ppl like Irving and white rose are people aren't not that cool as they look its not even a god level you need to see deeply through their personalities..
So,thesis: "No,on your next visit..."...
Its amazing how not one person understood the true ending of Mr robot and how white roses machine actually worked! They go on rants about the show being more about mental illness then the machine but missed the whole point. Just before the machine goes off white rose gives Elliot the choice to choose what happens. He then finds a book with ressurection and exit clues attached that lead him to a computer game. The computer game is his choosing of how the machine will work and recreate the parallel world. Remember he plays the game twice which is very important. The first time he plays he leaves his weak friend (Darlene) behind in the dungeon and eacapes to a beach (ocean of time) and a boat takes him to a new world. The 2nd time he chooses to stay in the dungeon with his friend. So there ends up being two elliots. One that escapes to the new world and leaves behind his best friend (as he calls her in his own words when describing her to the other elliot when talking about fantasizing about the hacker Elliott and his hacker friend Darlene). The other elliot experiences digital glitches (showing the machine is working behind the scenes) and experiences a different reality (the one he chose where he would stay in the dungeon or old reality with his friend darlene) therefor undergoes a different perception of what's happening. He is told he's in a created loop he's made for the real elliot while being in a comma from the explosion which keeps him in the dungeon with his friend Darlene as she sits beside him on the hospital bed. He couldve had the new parallel perfect life but chose to stay in the dungeon of the old one where he developed an identity crisis because of the split realities trying to both make since at the same time from him deciding to play twice which programmed the machine to create two elliots and two different events that would both happen simultaneously. The key to the final show is the computer game he played that programmed the machine. I cant believe no one got this. Not one person understood the ending.
that's a really interesting idea but, how does that fit in with the mental illness that is so central the show up to that point? it's not like they're throwing that away
yeah man,you were the only one intelligent enough to get it.
Darlene is Elliott's sister.
I...don't get it, honestly.
Does applying pressure on the wound not help?
Not if someone has already passed.
Bobby Canavale!
What year was Elliot's razer blade laptop? please ...
the show's based in 2015, so it was probably a 2015 model
@@JustSomeAussie1 Thank you so much
What laptop? All I can think of is The laptop when he is searching for The missing Hus band
@@vendybirdsvadl7472 He used a couple of different laptops on the show. I think he first got one when Tyrell Wellick's wife contacted Elliot to track down the phone number that kept calling her. Then at some point later in the series he switched over to a razer blade.
Irving is the most sane character in this show.
weren't they all his personalities and the situations were just him changing characters? like all the people we focus on are his different personalities?
Uh huh...uh huh....okey doke
I still dont know what her machine is
Particle collider. Basically a portal to travel to an alternate timeline or back in time. CERN is making one in real life
Ye konsa part hai ?
He is based on the female cop in the movie fargo
Is that Gyp Rosetti
Does Mr. Robot and Stranger Things have the same outro music? 🤔
So... Whiterose only make that machine because of the love of his life who suicide he really don't want to "change the world" and help the people, he is only planning to use it on himself.
In the end, every human acts on goals that benefit themselves. That goes for EVERY single one. Even those that make us believe otherwise.
Whoever reading this and after watching Mr.robot try to watch a documentary in Netflix MONSTER INSIDE 24 FACES OF BILLY MILLIGAN and you appreciate this show more
I bet red wheel barrel chicken sandwiches taste so good though
13 bucks for milkshake wtf
I have never had a plate of BBQ Ribs. How do they taste like? Sweet.... spicy.... Bitter.....?
Big fan himanshu jha
Indian
Who is he
Binod
just can't believe a chinese magnate is the villain that's all.
Oh really let's play
Don't you know your queen perfume genius
I still haven’t seen the ending
Maaan i hated irven... but also loved him. 😅
Was that the nuclear powerplant opening intro? It confused me.
more like large hadron collider
SPOILER: vc já viu final de Lost? .... Poisé ...
Season 4 spoilers:
What's funny, is that this humongous, high-tech, worth billions of dollars machine is completely useless.
What's even funnier is all the people still wondering what the machine would do! Is that how good the writing is, that White Rose brain washed them as well? It's established WhiteRose is nuts. Even Price (the most level headed guy) told us the viewers straight up, "It will never work, she is insane," to that effect.
The machine was a bullshit, pseudo-science mirage born from Whiterose's denial of reality.
Truth is Elliot's father's death, the leak of Washington Power Plant, even annexation of Kongo by China - it all served an agenda that was destined to fail from the very beginning.
Shows how dangerous deranged individuals with great power are - both Whiterose and Elliot.
@@BlueSky-vd6qh Adding layers :) Reading about it at 9AM makes me feel dizzy :)
@Arfe Efra - Your reply makes no sense, what's your argument?
@@arfeefra7811 Like the power you assumed to declare this "unconditional pseudo truths"?
got a bit weird towards the end
Poor girl XD
What the hell did the machine do?
Nothing actually... Whiterose was just crazy... She wanted to create a new world
@@bendovskey2209 well that’s annoying I thought white rose was one of the best characters in anything I’ve seen
@@Marcus51090 The character still is imo... One of the greatest antagonists of all time. She truly believed in her project and managed to influence everyone around her...
Sir this is a Wendy’s