Mate the Macedonia community world wide needs to thank you for all the videos you post. And keeping our culture alive and well for the next generation.
Modern Macedonians were invented by the Comintern in 1934 The language was invented in 1944-5 . There is no evidence for any Macedonian language before Tito,. People would have said they either spoke Serbian or Bulgarian.
Wonderful episode from your videos again.The lexicon has been known for a long time, but our "intellectuals" pretend that it does not exist.But fortunately we have people like you Mario.👌
I left a comment on your other video, but again, I'm a Bulgarian trying to see the other side in good faith. I was able to fully understand you speaking Macedonian, except for the bitola dialect part :D And the main separation between our two languages is, as you said, the fact that modern Bulgarian is based on the eastern dialects. I'm from Varna and I have never had problems writing and reading correctly, while some people from Sofia struggle to this day with their dialect. So in that sense, if the Bulgarian language was codified with Macedonian in mind, I think they could have evolved into a single language very easily, although it would probably be harder to read and write. A recent linguistics video I watched about the English language and why it is so convoluted to read and write said basically that it's because of the vast amount of dialects that make it impossible to make an inclusive language reform. As for the debate if Macedonian is a language or a dialect, there is no codification as to what separates the two so I always defend Macedonian as a language.
Appreciate that brother! And no one is saying the two languages aren’t very close, but there were definitely differences large enough to cause tension in the early 1800s when Bulgarian was codified without the use of Macedonian dialects. I personally can speak neither Bulgarian nor Serbian, but can read Bulgarian just fine, though I can understand spoken Serbian easier. Goes to towards the whole idea that Macedonians is in the continuum between the two languages, as is Torlak
That is the case for every single language in neighbouring countries. Dutch and German, Swedish and Norwegian, Spanish and Portuguese. Language is a dialect with its own country. The western world made their own countries/kingdoms much earlier than Balkanic therefore balkanic languages might be closer to each other.
@@danchokonstantinov6735 Is Torlakian a separate language from Serbian, akin to Macedonian? It's just a matter of perspective. I could say that shopic region is Macedonian land taken by the Bulgarians, but I dont't because I have respect for my neighbours. Something which you and many of your compatriots have yet to learn.
@@philldonn705 I guess your grand... parents were ethnically cleansed by the greeks ! Is it not anomaly, those who fled to BG, kept bulgarian ethnicity and those who fled to America and Australia did not ! Your narrative is one sided , come to BG to hear from the descendants of macedonians their ancestral stories ! Most BG towns have a macedonian quater ! You are preaching DISUNITED MACEDONIA ! Your historians changes historical documents and archives or simply ignore them !
Mario, job well done. This modern way of explaining historical and linguistic facts should be taught in all Macedonian schools. This is what schools should teach the next generation of Macedonians.
@@TheAusroar Поне не е по-млада от твоята ти държава, която е едва на 30 години, на които трябва да сте благодарни на нас, че бяхте първи признати като БЮРМ и по-късно от гърците Северна Македония. 😂
Mario is back with the facts! We need more consistent videos Mario love your work! Could you make a video regarding the roots of our tatar neighbours? It seems that they are confused themselves and the world needs to know how these mongols ridiculous claim to Macedonian history!
Mario, anyone taking on the responsibility of researching and presenting this needs to be thorough and logical. You have given a masterclass on this my friend. Nema greshka
Fantastic work, Mario. Over 5,000 views (on your way to 6,000) in less than 24 hours! Thank you to our neighbours to the east and to the south for their contributions. I know some of you are hanging on each day for the release of each new video, and a handful of you keep regularly returning to past videos while you wait - and keep adding comments. That’s so cool! (Yes, you’ve been caught out!) I can visualise one in particular who is surely scratching his head right now, whilst consulting his neogreek propaganda pages, attempting to formulate a response to this video. Mario, I hope further down the track you can make a video on those three oldest (known) recorded folk songs you mention because I’ve always said our folk songs, of which there are well over 5,000 recorded, are a record of our history, as well as bringing so much joy to Macedonians and the world, and bringing us together as a people. Oh, and thank you Mr Tito for your special powers and your magic wand....or was it a time machine?
While you live in a fantasy world - the reality is you are choking on Prespa, Bulgaria is holding you accountable, and the French proposal has renewed ethnic fighting. Better you stay out of the EU so you can have a North Korean historiography. BTW - the Macedonist Flat Earther UMD congressional resolution has stalled because those who stand for the truth have sent actual proof and evidence to every single member of Congress that these dead "Macedonians" you are trying to honor are actually proud Bulgarians. Cmon Mario....why not get on a video with Kiril from Samuels Fortress or Bobby??? Yea, I don't think so...Meto is smart enough to keep you away. A bunch of amateurs - the lot of you.
Боже какъв лапни шаран си значи, да се манипулира от най-малкото. Ти си буквално като стадо с овце - каквото им каже господарят, това правите. Колко е жалко с този сепаратазъм...
Translation to Bulgarian in case any Bulgarians struggle to understand: "Искрено ме оставихвте без коментар. Огромна благодарност и почит към вашият труд и работа." Ok, I hope Bulgarians are able to read this now, I had to use Google Translate. You're welcome.
Mario as far as i know the Lexicon is not called Bulgarian but there is a sentence written above everything in some other period that mentions Bulgarian, which is more close to beeing Bulgar trying to falsify the lexicon than being an original part of it. That text is written in vertical 90° rotated text. So, its good people to know about it. However, world academics, linguists, slavists have identify the words inside that are Macedonian ones, as you said.
@@77belts "Macedonians will free Macedonia without the interference of neighboring countries: In Macedonia there should be neither Bulgars, nor Greeks, Serbs, Romanians, or Turks--only Macedonians!" -Jane Sandanski to Italian. newspaper L'Italia all'Estro, 1908
@@nikola4048 and sandanski identified as Bulgarian and wanted macedonia is Bulgaria as macedonia was majority Bulgarian. Nice try cherry picking though.
I'm from prilep Not gonna lie i really whant to just sit down with you drink coffee and talk about Macedonia and Macedonian history I love all of your videos I watched them all keep up the good work my brother ❤️
Mario, I have no words! Amazing, your ability to research, source AND articulate historic Macedonian literature is mind blowing. Bravo Mario, da mu pokazis na cel svet za maka Macedonia!! Thank you
I wish I could thank the Roman Vicar, Sylvester (Sylvestri?) [Macedonian Lexicon of the 16th Century - Giannelli and Vaillant] for preserving the Kosturkso vocabulary. It is fortunate that this document has been preserved because so many Macedonian documents and books have been destroyed - by order of the powers that be at the time. Having grown up in the diaspora in Australia, I have not been formally educated in my mother tongue but after my visits to my ancestral village, I can vouch that this is exactly how the Kostursko dialect is spoken by the elders there. I did not have to strain once to pick up what you were reading. My family uses the word gluvec for mouse (plural gluvci) and I particularly like the word for ‘little mouse’ which I find really cute - gluvce. And your reading of p93 of the ABECEDAR was music to my ears. Every word as clear and exact as my grandparents speak it. I guess I’m more fluent than I give myself credit for, at least in terms of local dialect.
Greetings, @@TheAusroar I understand and speak the Kostursko dialect. Never having been taught Cyrillic, I cannot read or write in Macedonian. I wish my local community would organise a short course for adults, because, as you say, it's never too late. btw - I'm a sestro! Have a good day!
This is a really good video which comes up with written documents about many centuries long Macedonian history and language. The video is understandable to all Macedonians and people from surrounding countries. However, today we need to present the documents and facts about our history and language on a way which the worldwide corrupt politicians can easily understand without giving them an option to misuse them.
God blessing you Mario, Only in this way we'll protect our saint Македонија. You have all our support! Please continue with these facts! The facts are immense in the hidden history.
Одлично зборуваш македонски, со нетрпение ги очекувам твоите видеа на македонски. Мој предлог би било твоето прво видео на македонски да биде поврзано со објаснување на македонското прашање на нашите Македоци или теророт кој го доживеале Македонците во Егејска Македонија. Поздрави од патриотски Аеродром, Скопје од внука на Егејци.
-Many of the Macedonian language words are bound with toponyms, for example: Кутлеш or Kuт (Kuti, Kutija, Kutivce,) = Box, + Леш (Lesh) = corpse/dead body meaning -Box with a Corpse, -Костур, (Kostur) = Sceleton -Драма (Drama) = Drama -Кожани (Kozha) = Skin refering to the Skin people -Воден (Voden, Voda,Vodneni) = Water, Wet The Wet ones -Вардар Var Вар/Варовник (камен) LIme/Limestone + Дaр Dar = gift, most likely refering to the Limestones as a gift that were transported from the Quarries in the Polog region and other regions that the stone was beeing excavated to be used in the Ancient Buildings in the Agean or it could just reffer to as "White Gift" because the primary color beeing used even today in Macedoniaor in Greece is white color using Lime to paint the walls and it is called Varosuva ili Beli Ќе варосуваш, Ќе Белиш, the earliest found source is from the 2nd century and that does not corespond to the teory that was named after the Gothic word Vordoi because that was in the 5th century, and it is highly unlikely that comes from the Tracian word Vardar that means Black water unless it is adopted by the Greek word Mavrovopol that means Black town or Црно Поле Crno Pole Mavrovo in Macedonian -I would also like to put Виница Vinica meaning Wine town, -maybe Кочани (Kocan(студ), Ukocen, Vkocaniet) = Cold, Stiff, Stiff body from Cold, i am mentioning this because Kochani is a Geothermal region with extremly high temp at 82 degrees celsius and open Geysers in the past , very high compared to any other place in the balkans and have confirmed Ancient Hot Springs and very interestingly two villages have the name Banja that is the village Banja near Kocani and IstiBanja near Vinica that means Spa and acording to the old traditions when you have cold in your bones you need to bath in hot water to get the cold out there are many more but maybe for the next time Also i would like to put here the scentences "Брат со брата очи си ваде" or "Македонците си ги ископаа очите едни со други" "не си ги вадете очите" "си ги извадоа очите" "Брза кучка, слепи кучиња раѓа" "Брат за брата, сирење за пари." "За светот кој плачи, без очи ќе остани." "Кој со ѓаолот, тикви сади, ѓаолот на крај очите му ги вади" if this are not related to Tsar Samoil and Basil II than i dont know what is and one more saying as last "Ако се сториш овца, секој ќе те стрижи."
I'm Tongan who loves history, and something that always seemed off to me was when reading about Macedonia - they were considered "slavs who entered the balkans". Many Greeks and Bulgarians (occasionally Albanians) dismiss Macedonian history and claim Alexander the great as their own. So to find a Macedonian proud of their history and culture, as well as willing to defend it, is awesome - love learning about your beautiful country.
Since you mentioned that you have some Aromanian descent will you make a video about the “”second bulgarian empire”” which was founded by a Vlach family from the Haemus mountains, and how everyone from crusaders to byzantines called them and their state as Vlachs? And on the forced Bulgarisation of those Vlachs , which lived there long before bulgars, and whose assimilated traditions they use to claim even Thracian heritage, ( it is said by the surviving Romanian comunity of Vidin that right after the Romanian army fought to eliberate bulgaria in 1878 the Bulgarians pushed a very harsh assimilation process where burning romanian Books or even Bibles or throwing them in the Danube was a common practice)
You are pushing nonsences here ! Ancient proper Kingdom Makedon was having Macedon language ! It is clear like day light ! When Macedonian Alexander the Ggreat (" megalit" "megalo" is common indoeuropean expresion )was refering to macedonians he was shouting we the Makedonians , but when he was refering to Helenes as cultural aliance he was shouting "we the Helenes" ! Why you are so self admirers Guptians when Greek is not European language ! We the Slav enlightened nations ( including macedonian as Slav enlightened nation in the new Era ! That Era what you are referring after Jesus Crist macedonia was famoust and the Empire too ! Never it was Greek Empire ! How they could have been speaking Greek when "Greek" as an expresion is of a new Era in Europe ! In Ancient time Helenism started out of Europe !
Raul You are making some alarming statements but then again, a Bulgarian nationalist recently wrote that Romania is really Bulgarian so perhaps you are equal. Stuff and nonsense. If you want to talk about "forced Bulgarisation of those Vlachs", you've got the wrong country - you need to talk to Bulgaria. While you're at it, you might have a word with Greece about all the Vlachs who today are "Greeker than the Greeks." The Vlachs in Macedonia are respected, recognised and free to identify as they wish and many choose to identify as Macedonian. Famous singer, Tose, loved Macedonia like a pure Macedonian and one of the most famous, Pitu Guli, immortalised in the Macedonian national anthem, fought bravely for Macedonia.
@@mellake7052 If you search yourself What the byzantines and crusaders Said about the Asan brothers you will see I was right, so what is so alarming about it? Have you at least bothered to search the stuff that I said and look into them before making that comment? It doesnt look like it😅
@@mellake7052 never suggested Anyone except bulgarians were guilty of that, just suggested a good video topic regarding Bulgarian propaganda in the Balkans,
@@ЈанеСандански-л1и Рече го човекът с J в кирилицата си! Откога J стана част от кирилицата? Когато станахте южни сърбчета в тъй наречената Вардарска Бановина, която не щете да примете като име ли? 😂
As a Ukrainian old Macedonian is more understandable for me than modern once. I understood probably 90percents but modern I understood maybe 50% (depends on topic)
There is Macedonian folk story about a couple, a husband and wife pray to God for the golden gift. Everything the husband touches turn into gold. The folk story has a tragic end. Sounds familiar to anyone? Some famous legendary and historical individual?
@@vladopolezina4094 Ако си професор по история в не знам си кой унивирситет в Скопие, защо го пропускане кан Кубер? И не е хан, а кан! Колко денари ви плащат, да разпространявате пропаганди и омрази към нас, обясни ни? И сериозно ли му вярваш на тоя беглец, избягал в САЩ да го промива управлението още повече?
Hi Mario, great video! Thank you for ur work and spent hours on fighting for our country! The youth here listens to ur videos. Would love to see some vidoes about Blgaria or maybe Albanians in Macedonia(history). Also do you speak Macedonian?
Yeah,also u should interview some older Macedonians, who live there or post some books, interviews of American scientist's(professor's) who wrote about Macedonia and our differences, from the other Balkan nation's! You should definitely open a club, it would be great for us young Macedonian patriot's to join and share knowledge about our great country, at least on Twitter or Facebook 😁!
@@IvanT7 Извинявай се колкото си щеш, ала като си лапни шаранче и лесно манипулиран от сепаратисти и македонисти като този, много ясно, че ще си останеш промита глава! Колко проклети създания може да сте всичките македонци, че да не си признаете какви сте всъщност, но с такива като теб спор нема!
@@savoelenov Като тебе ли? Ти си точно като ЛГБТ! Можеш да се самоопределяш за какъвто си поискаш, но отговорът е само един! Ти си българин, приеми го! Както има 2 пола, така има само 3 нации, които трябва да си върнат откраднатите територии от изкуствената ти нация или както му викате "вещачката нация." Вардар принадлежи на България, Гърция и Албания! Вие сте създадени през 1944 година!
This was top quality man, I've been trying to tell people about the texts with greek letters. That really needs to get out more, as it really puts an end to the Macedonian Question!
@@mellake7052 "Dimitar Georgiev Hrtev se kazvam. Ot koe myasto sm mo, ot Serskata Okoliya. Yaz sm makedonec. Na hilyada devetsto chetirdese i deveta god'ina, da kazheme, da kazheme celoto takova, kogato sm ranen, nali? Kogato sa ranih ili kak? Kogat sm opatil takov. Partizan. I sm smo-osakatil sm ranil na Belasica na chetiridese i deveta god'ina... Blizo do Banitca e to i da kazheme petnaise min'uti, po noti ss magareto..."
The Macedonian brothers Cyril and Methodius - who were born in Solun and came from very well-respected families which is well documented, had created the “new” Macedonian alphabet which was based on the Macedonian language and dialect in the country that they were born in, so Solun (Thessalonica) clearly is in no possible way shape or form “Greek”, and it is that same language and alphabet (with slight district dialects) that is used extensively all over eastern Europe! They’re all quite happy to say that they (the brothers) were Greeks, but they didn’t go and spend decades forming and creating an alphabet, or using the language that the Greeks currently do and then spreading it all over now did they? No, it was Macedonian. They’re quite happy to say that "slavs" invaded us - yet somehow, it’s “our” language and alphabet that is used and was then spread to “those” lands many centuries later. They also can’t turn around now and say that the brothers were Bulgarian - not limited to the fact that there was no Bulgaria back then as it was only first conceived in 1870, and the fact that they were born in Solun (Thessalonica), so which is it then? Can’t be Greeks as they didn’t spread that language did they? Can’t be Bulgarians being born in Solun (Thessalonica) can they so there’s the trump card - They were Macedonian and recognised as Macedonians way back in the 9th Century, even gaining permission and allowed after hundreds of years of Roman rule where Latin was the Lingua Franca to conduct the Holy Liturgy services in Rome mind you in the Macedonian language in 867! It was directly reflected in Macedonia where the legacy of the Cyril and Methodius literary and linguistic work was incorporated into the activity of their most prominent disciples Clement and Naum, who during the last decades of the 9th century and the beginning of the 10th century developed comprehensive spiritual, cultural and educational activity in their native country Macedonia. Funny that! Sounds like they have their constantly changing stories a little backwards and keep changing it to when and how they see fit that still doesn’t make ANY sense according to literally ANY history published ANYWHERE on this topic! Macedonian - period.
@@SpartanLeonidas1821 I do admit, this new flag looks like a circus and the old one was removed because of the UK and US. influence in greece. How much do you think they want to separate greece and macedonia from the rest of the eastern world further? Spread lies about food? NO WAY!
Great job Mario I wish you positive outcome, hope the world understand the Macedonian fight for their human rights, Macedonian identity, language, their own history since Alexander the great Macedonian and his father Philip the second King of Macedonia and beyond. Голем поздрав Марио Христовски great Macedonian patriot.❤
3:06 the Greek word is ντόπια, which you saw it's transliteration as "dopia" and assumed that it was pronounced as thopia. It meaning is not so much "indegenous" as it is "regional", εν + τόπος. Using the title "regional" for this idiom does seem to be a blunder, what it should be called is "Invasive" because came to Macedonia through slavic invaders that invaded parts of Macedonia 800 years after Alexander
and yet distinct proto-indo european dna is still present while greece is more E in their haplogroup through mediterranean influence from the seas. Interesting how slavic invaders squatted so hard here that hey littarly got assimilated and now speak our language.
@@rekamud6635 how would the slavic invaders be the ones that got assimilated when THEIR language is the one that is being spoken in the northern areas. If you have any ancestry from inhabitants prior to the slavic invasion it means that this part of your ancestry got assimilated by the slavic invaders.
History has many examples of tribes/groups which absorb the language of the peoples they invade/occupy and lose their original language or develop a hybrid.
@@mellake7052 In the beginning of the 20th century the language descended from the Koine Greek the Alexander made known throughout his empire was still spoken in many places in Macedonia and you think that you will appropriate the name Macedonians only for those that speak the language of the slavic invaders?
@@mellake7052 Also WHAT? the if you had some ancestry from the people that before the slavic invasion that would mean that these ancestors started speaking the language of the invaders, not the other way around
It is interesting that Grigor Prlichev wrote first the Serdarot or O Armatalos. He mastered Greek, but he couldn't master Bulgarian. He struggled with years to learned it. I believe because O Armatalos was written in Katharevousa, artificial sociolect than resembles Ancient Greek(purist, formal Greek). It was characterised by limited vocabulary compared to the vernacular Greek. It was easy for Grigor Prlichev to write poetry in the purist Katharevousa because of its limited vocabulary.
I wish my baba was still here to listen to you! It is sad that the argument even needs to be made because it is self evident to MACEDONIANS. My babas family was from visheni and my dedos family was from ekshisou.
Funny how some data is presented partially to create some sort of illusion. No matter that the language in the lexicon by Gianelli is labelled 'Bulgarian', let's go right ahead and label it 'Macedonian' even though the lexicon is about words used in the geographic region of Macedonia... All this exercise proves, is how close Macedonian and Bulgarian languages are... Another example is Krste Misirkov. He was indeed born in Pella, a region where Greeks and Slavs were intermixed during the Ottoman period. However, why omit things that Misirkov said? In 1924, when Misirkov is no longer under Russian sponsorship, he becomes adamant about the Bulgarian identity of Slavs in the Macedonian region. I can post quotes, but I am sure you are aware of them.... Videos like these are just proof of how difficult it is for modern ethnic Macedonians to trace back their history just a few eons from today. And how could they, when their ethnogenesis began in the late 19th century? Which further poses the question how can they really link themselves to ancient Macedonia when they can hardly convince the academia beyond the late 19th century, let alone beyond medieval times?
@Dimitris Mythos Funny how some [Bavarian Greek] illusions are partially presented as fact…. No matter that “Greek”, right up to the creation of Bavarian Greece in the ancient 1830s, was called Roman, as were the people, both by others and as self-identification. I guess that makes dimi an Italian - if we apply dimi logic. Macedonian and Bulgarian are similar? Moot point. That’s how the language continuum works in all language groups (except for Greek and Albanian for some weird reason), including the Germanic and Romance languages. The Swedes, Danes and Norwegians have almost identical languages but they are civilised peoples and do not resort to petty and moronic attacks and dummy-spitting over such a non-issue as some people do. Bulgarian is also similar to Serbian and Serbian is almost identical to Croatian. Again, applying dimi logic, I guess that makes those people Bulgarian…or does it make Bulgarians Serbs or Croats? Hmm, what a conundrum. What your collection of out-of-context and carefully selected quotations from Misirkov don’t include, and I’m sure are not aware of them (because no paranoid obsessive _Roman_ sorry Greco would include them in their propaganda pages) is missing: *“There is a Macedonian culture and Macedonian national history, distinct from those of the Serbs and Bulgarians, even though they have so far not been the object of extensive and impartial study: the Serbs and Bulgarians have one-sidedly and with a strong bias chosen from Macedonian culture what glorifies their own national name.” - Krste Misirkov, 1924* Or would you nationalist Romans prefer: “What is most essential for us is internal unity, mutual unity in Macedonia, we do not need Serbs, Bulgarians or Greeks, *for we are none of these;* we do not need Patriarchists, or Exarchists because we are only Orthodox Christians.”- Krste Misirkov, On Macedonian Matters, 1903 Or: “Oh, Macedonians! It is time we realized that the *greatest demon* Macedonia must battle against is none other than Bulgaria; and this is why we must keep our interests apart from those of Bulgaria. Common sense demands it”. - Krste Misirkov Russia and Misirkov you say? In his excellent paper, M.Karadji, Greek academic (of the decent human being variety) describes how in 1844, Russian researcher V. Grigorovich observed the situation in Macedonia and wrote: “In all the areas I visited I heard no names but those of Alexander the Great and Marko Kralevich. They both live in the national memory as figures of general significance.” Karadjis elaborates: “Now, of course, Greek nationalists complain that Alexander the Great was ‘Greek’ and so how dare ‘Slavic’ people now living in Macedonia claim his heritage. But this is the point, unless we consider all these people in the areas visited by Grigorovich to be part of a sinister anti-Greek plot: the fact that these Slavic speakers identified with Alexander, a great ‘Macedonian’, is *evidence that they viewed themselves as distinct from Bulgarians* and had a kind of consciousness based on the history of the area they lived in.” Well before Misirkov. Well before Tito. Or would you prefer Greek quotations? In your, um, collection, do you have the quotations from _Roman_ Greek hero, Pavlos Melas, where he refers to the Macedonian language as……………drum roll…………………….‘Macedonian’? I guess you discard these. So, well before the Macedonian language became codified, _Romans_ knew of the Macedonian language and called it such. In a letter to his wife, Melas wrote: “...Kottas *spoke in Macedonian.* The teacher got the children to sing something. We couldn't tell if the language was *Macedonian* or Greek. All the schoolchildren know how to read and write (Greek), but hardly any know how to speak it...*I learnt a few Macedonian words...”* (Melas, Natalia, Pavlos Melas, Athens 1964, pp 239, 241, 244). They didn’t teach you this in propaganda/how-to-hate-all-your-neighbours class? If the Macedonians considered themselves ‘Bulgarian’ in the ethnic sense, don’t you suppose they would be fighting to unite with Bulgaria? After all, they would have become bigger and stronger and would more easily have freed themselves of the Ottomans, and also lived more secure lives. Instead, they resisted all attempts to force them to join with Bulgaria, many losing their lives for doing so (by the Bulgarians). But then again, all their neighbours tried the same. And when did your ethnogenesis begin, dimi? You think a handful of decades has any significance in tens of thousands of years of human history? Only a few decades separate the creation of Greece and all the other nations. At least Macedonians struggled for their ethnogenesis, which was made all the harder because they were the last to free themselves of the Ottoman yoke, resulting in them being surrounded by vultures in every direction - which, in effect, makes it more authentic. Your ethnogenesis, in contrast, was created for you by western powers, right down to writing the script for how to be an ancient hellene and how to discard your Albanian/Slavic/Vlach/Turkish names and adopt names which hadn’t been heard since antiquity. You funny bunny, you! As for linking ourselves to ancient Macedonia, firstly, how do you Christian Albanians, Vlachs, Turks and more recently, the Christian Turks and Armenians resettled in Northern Greece, link yourselves to the ancient city states (remembering there was no Greece then, nor had you Albanians, Vlachs, Turks, etc made an appearance in antiquity.) But more importantly, remember that endearing quotation you sent me on another video of Mario’s on the topic of DNA (as if DNA determines ethnicity) and which obviously made your chest puff up…well you missed the part where the company iGENEA mentions that these “Slavs” of Macedonia, [you love that word, “Slav”, don’t you dimi!] "mingled with the ancient Macedonians"! [And then they became one!] So there’s your answer to the link to ancient Macedonia. And you provided it all by yourself! Good one, champ! We should present you with some poppies now - if you know what I mean. (You’ve been surprisingly silent there.)
@@mellake7052 You are not fighting me, but the academia. You guys typically call it “Greek and Bulgarian propaganda” in an effort to marginalize what is generally accepted by the academic community all over the world. So go ahead and use the comment section of TH-cam, we all know most of it is nonsense. This is what you guys are good at: writing sheets of text to cloud the issue. But let me be brief: Misirkov: you said "What your collection of out-of-context and carefully selected quotations from Misirkov..." even though I didn't quote anything from Misirkov!!! And then you proceed spewing quotes from 1924 and before even though I said "In 1924, when Misirkov is no longer under Russian sponsorship, he becomes adamant about the Bulgarian identity of Slavs in the Macedonian region". But this is how you folks twist reality. Pavlos Melas was born after the ethnogenesis of ethnic Macedonians, so whatever he said wouldn't contradict the academic narrative of late 19th c ethnogenesis of ethnic Macedonians. iGenea: The whole quote is this "This is where the ancestors of today's Macedonians, the South Slavic migrants, *who came there in the 6th and 7th century AD* as land-taking farmers, found a home. The Slavs mingled with the local population, which consisted of paions (protobulgarian tribes from Paionia), ancient Macedonians and other ethnic elements". Two things of notice: 1) You ARRIVED 1000 years after Alexander the Great died. 2) You mixed with descendants of ancient Macedonians (ofc southern North Macedonia has Heraclea Lyncestis), but MOSTLY Paeonians. But you didn't chose to call yourselves as the Paeonians... ;) Not so glorious... But in any case, as you agreed elsewhere, DNA doesn't define ethnicities, so based on the above, you still have the AUDACITY to claim ancient Macedonian heritage when all archaeological evidence points to their Greekness. Finally, your quote "propaganda/how-to-hate-all-your-neighbours class" fits you perfectly when you amount Greeks to "Christian Albanians, Vlachs, Turks and more recently, the Christian Turks and Armenians", when the existence of Greeks back then, who even spoke Greek, is so readily proven. Next time you continue being insulting, I will start talking about Monkeydonians and Serbianized Bulgarians. And brother I can really pour it on. But for now enjoy this guy who realized he was on the wrong. th-cam.com/video/heECxVf7nxI/w-d-xo.html
@@my8osprive I didn’t say you quoted anything from Misirkov!!! (Look, we’re so excited, we’re getting into multiple exclamation marks!) YOU mentioned Misirkov, STATING YOU CAN POST QUOTES and I replied that they surely would not include the ones I posted. Ged it? And the Russians documented existence of a Macedonian consciousness well before Misirkov so your accusations of Russian influence on him hold no water. Now we come to the funniest part. Melas (who was not the only Greek to refer to Macedonians and to their language as ‘Macedonian’) was born after the ethnogenesis of the ethnic Macedonians, yet after this acknowledgement, successive Greek governments (much later followed by the chanting of millions of well-trained parrots) claimed there is no such thing as either a Macedonian or a Macedonian language. When you were trying to ethnically cleanse the Macedonians, the Macedonian language became “Voulgarika” (by mutual agreement with Bulgaria to suit the political purposes of both parties, as (Greek) Professor Michalopoulos has described). How can that be? An existing language, called “Macedonia language” even by its enemies, suddenly ceases to exist. In fact, it now never existed at all. How can it be that when the ethnogenesis had started, ‘Macedonian’ was accepted but when it was well on its way, it no longer was? Smells of ulterior motives. (We know what they are.) Now, I know Greece attempted the most horrific ethnic cleansing on the indigenous Macedonians and have tried, unsuccessfully, to wipe out their language, but the very fact that it was commonly called Macedonian by Greeks is proof of your (country’s) backtracking and backflipping. Nothing your country has tried to extinguish anything Macedonian has worked (though you have done much horrific damage). In fact, you have (inadvertently, of course) made us stronger. Another laughable absurdity - this time about Paeonians. So we mixed “mostly” with Paeonians did we? I didn’t know the ancient sex police kept track of this. Would you please produce the statistics? And even if this was true (as ridiculous as your imagined claim is), so what? Does the mixing of the Arvanites (Albanians) with the Greeks or the Vlachs for example or the hellenised Turks who have resided in Morea (modern day Greece) for centuries make them any less Greek? More importantly, the bulk of the Macedonian people (until fairly recently) populated South Macedonia which today finds itself within Greek borders. The people here ‘mingled’ (produced families and babies and communities) and evolved into modern Macedonians. They are the same people as those over the border in the Republic of Macedonia - the supposed and apparently pure Paeonians. It’s sheer stupidity to think that people remained frozen in place. Greeks settled in Asia Minor and Africa but Macedonians couldn’t possibly have ventured as far as Paeonia. Your thought process is a case study! btw Misirkov was born in the Aegean part of Macedonia (not Paeonia) as were most Macedonian heroes. The existence of an ancient Greek *language* has survived, and that, mainly through the church. Reviving an ancient language amongst the common folk millennium later and having all those Albanians, Vlachs, Turks, etc who arrived 1,000+ years or more later than Alex learn to speak it, does not equate to continuity. And anyone can learn to speak Greek, dimi. Just like the Christians Turks and Armenians when they first arrived and the state hastily arranged language classes for them. Just like over 50% of the older generation of Macedonians can speak Greek as well as Macedonian. You still get offended when it is pointed out that the majority of the population of Morea (which became “Greece” by western powers) was mostly Christian Albanians (commonly known as Arvanites in Greece) followed by “Slavs” Turks, Vlachs and Roma and then some, and numerous sources have documented it INCLUDING GREEK ACADEMIA and you accuse me of racism for quoting them. (huh?) And they arrived more than 1,000+ years later and you have the AUDACITY to claim unbroken and pure connection. As for your final paragraph, you are beyond contempt matey. You are seriously in need of help. Whilst Emmanuel Rhoides (a Greek!) wrote that “Greece suffers from the Greeks", sadly, dimi suffers from dimitris mythos and his delusions that others are stealing from him something he never owned
@@mellake7052 You're not fighting Greek propaganda but international academia. You are fighting the truth of Oxford and Harvard.... "The Macedonians: Immigrants from Macedonia came to the United States in significant numbers during the early years of the 20th century. Until World War II almost all of them thought of themselves as Bulgarians and identified themselves as Bulgarians or Macedonian Bulgarians." --Encyclopedia of American Ethnic Groups. HarvardUniversity press. pp. 690-694. "Unlike the Slovene and Croatian identities, which existed independently for a long period before the emergence of SFR Yugoslavia, Macedonian identity and language were themselves a product of federal Yugoslavia, and took shape only after 1944." --Democratic consolidation in Eastern Europe. Oxford: Oxford University Press. p. 422 Paeonia: it's not me who says it, but iGenea which you guys are fond of quoting in TH-cam videos to brag about 'antic Macedonian' genetic heritage... The fact that your people reside in mostly where Paeonians lived, provides for a larger genetic heritage from Paeonians rather than Macedonians. Ethnically though, of course, since they are social constructs you are as distant to Paeonians and Macedonians as you are to Egyptians. Your concept of a 'revival' of the Greek language is humorous and I won't even tire myself proving it to you. There is ample evidence of Greek being used among common folk in Ottoman occupied territories. Yeah sure, Arvanitika and Turkish also existed, but sorry to inform you Greek also existed widespread as an everyday language. I don't suffer from anything. Even your own historians admit that your history is built on falsifications. th-cam.com/video/GIPr4HLqUPE/w-d-xo.html
@@my8osprive _”truth of Oxford….Immigrants…United States…blah, bla, bla”_ 1 My, you sure have a penchant for repeating your -slogans- comments. You obviously DO enjoy “tiring” yourself but the only thing you have proved is your bias, prejudice, misinformation, hate (whilst falsely accusing others of hate) and your fondness for making up things - which you have been caught out on some videos but you remain uncharacteristically quiet there. If you’re going to accuse others of being “newly created” and ‘fake”, how about starting with your own? I’ve read enough books on the creation of the Greek state to know your reality - and most have been by Greek historians or their Philhellene buddies, - even Oxford and Harvard! You people go all out to deny a whole people their very existence, simultaneously creating myths and inventions about your own, which you attempt to pass off as truths, but academia is onto you, bud. “The recent furore over the publication of a relatively mild historical and ethnographic account of the *progressive Hellenization* of the [now] Greek province of Macedonia (Karakasidou 1997) exhibits both the *nervousness of the Greek establishment* and the persistence of stereotypes of *Greeks as irrational, hysterical Balkan lunatics* among supposedly sober commentators in the West. It also demonstrates the *neuralgia that anthropology can induce in those who are committed to unitary myths of national origin…”* (“Theoretical Practice in Culture and Society, Anthropology” by Michael Herzfeld, p 68). [HARVARD] Yours is the only nation on earth which demands that any of its neighbours have a direct link to the civilisations of antiquity which once upon a time walked the same territories, whilst simultaneously making an exception for your own nation which, even by Greek accounts, (and Harvard and Oxford) is the most artificially constructed nation in Europe, with nonsense claims of continuity and that the hellenised multi-ethnics are the Hellenes’ ancestors. “There cannot be an Athenian alive today who can trace a direct line of descent from classical times to the present without leaving Athens. Because of numerous and protracted foreign occupations, true *Athenians were a relatively SMALL MINORITY EVEN IN THE AGE OF PERICLES.* In a later period the city was suffering with severe depopulation and was re-stocked with Albanians!” (Insight Guides, Athens, Greece Series, p 42 “Romaic Grammar” by E. A. Sofocles, A. M. 1842: “The revolution of 1821 has restored the ancient appellation ‘Ellines’ but as it is used chiefly by the inhabitants of Bavarian Greece, who perhaps *do not constitute more than one-fourth of the Greek nation,* it may safely be said that the *mass of the people still call themselves Romeii and their language Romaiki.”* "Greece is the *most artificial of all artificial nations* that resulted from the dissolution of the Ottoman empire." Yerasimos Kaklamanis, Analysis of Neohellenic Bourgeois Ideology, p13 Getting back to Yugoslavia….. What a difference a single word can make! “Identified as” does not mean ethnically so. Just as you are very much aware that in the Ottoman era “Bulgar” didn’t mean what it does today, listing Bulgarian on their papers didn’t mean that the Macedonians identified as such in an ethnic sense or personal sense. From OXFORD academia: “In Ottoman Macedonia, Turk meant government official, Greek merchant, Bulgar peasant, Wallachian shepherd.” “Class-conscious Slavic peasants applied the term “Greek” to most merchants, particularly if they considered them rogues.” “Western travellers to Macedonian quickly realised that the term “Bulgarian” was locally used to describe poor peasant Slavs.” “When the Macedonian peasant uses the term Bulgar, they mean by it 1) people of a simple and hard working-life, 2) the bulk of simple labourers who speak Slavic, in contrast to the non-Slavs, the Greeks and the Turks, who are above this majority and consider them inferior. The first meaning is the main one: the word “Bulgar” denotes in the first case, a simple mode of life, work and thought.” V Gounaris: “In broad term, every transhumant shepherd was thought to be a “Vlach”. Just as merchants were invariably called, or perceived, as “Greeks”, and peasants were “Bulgarians.”
Can I recommend you review these Ancient Macedonian words & what you think when compared with my Macedonian interpretation? -Phalanax =Falanga=Falena-garda = Proudest (bragged - pride)-of guards, - Sarisa=Zarija {Vzharija}= to Impale, -Pike=Pikni (piknish) = insert, -Nike = Nik = rule over = rabotnik (worker), sluzbenik (server), vodnik (leader), etc. -Cosmos = kos-mos = na'v' kos'en-most= slanted bridge, -Aorania = A'ora-n-ia = A' (points to above, Gods realm)-plough-on-earth = Heaven-on-earth, -Alexandrou = A'lek-sa-n-dr = A' (points to above, Gods realm) - for - a - blessing (dar is not to be confused with poklon), -Philipou = Fil-ip = Distinguished-most (Filen coek also used even today in the region of Ohrid - Bucephalus = Bi-kefal = Ox/Bull - head, or resembles a Bulls personality (as in motions like a bull) - Corinth = Korito = seems to refer to a Basin, - Makedonia = Make-don-ia = Mother -Gifted-Land/earth, The word Dona is also borrowed by the Latins = as is Doena or Daena. Just some I noticed & thought to share.
Mario, here are for you Macedonian words of most likely substratum origin: bambule bambal babunjosa babunjosan, and karpa.The first word is Phrygian and it means penis an something engorged,bloated. The second one means stone,rock and cliff. It can be found in other languages on the Balkan too.
Se babunosa velevme nie postarite porano , kako našite pretci što se izrazuvale ! A najaftentično e za piperkata babura od izrazot babri ili bubri ! A rekata Babuna e isto izraz zaradi toa što kade teče nababruva - se zgolemuva volumenozno ! A izrazot "se podu" e poseben ! Od "duva" !
Is it true mario that north macedonia is a state of george soros? He is the owner of north macedonia? I was told that from natives when i visited macedonia 5 years ago !!!
@@HeroManNick132 Какво лошо ти казах за да ми се отплащаш по този начин, аз не деля хората по националност, за мен всички са еднакви. Имам много приятели в България и живеем сложно и често ходя до София, Боровец, Банско, големи поздрави 🤝
Прости ми за дрскоста и дозволи ли ми можност за мал поттик на твоите размислувања. Зошто е Илинден најголем македонски празник? Кому му е Сонцето (св. ИЛИЈА - во англиски неук превод HELIOS) врвно божество. И како тоа остана така да биди и во "мнозинското" словенско население на овие простори? Словените имаат некои прото нордиски верувања или грешам. ПОЗДРАВ и за арно да се слушаме и видиме ако даде Сонцето!
@@HeroManNick132 didn't stab a back that I used to stand by. I never defended the back of faschists and chauvinists. Long live Macedonian People's Republic
Mate the Macedonia community world wide needs to thank you for all the videos you post. And keeping our culture alive and well for the next generation.
Жалък си ми, национални предателю!
Modern Macedonians were invented by the Comintern in 1934 The language was invented in 1944-5 . There is no evidence for any Macedonian language before Tito,. People would have said they either spoke Serbian or Bulgarian.
Un Lexique Macedonien Du XVI Siecle (1500)
Vicor Sylvester
The first ever Macedonian Lexicon
Go read it
Thank you for this valuable information ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Маймунодония над всичко, Маймун 1-ви, ВЕЛИКИ!
Wonderful episode from your videos again.The lexicon has been known for a long time, but our "intellectuals" pretend that it does not exist.But fortunately we have people like you Mario.👌
Българин си.
@@BulgarianNationalism Јас сум македонец а ти си потомок на Хан Аспарух.
@@viktorluk482 Къде е кан Кубер? Защо го пропускате бе смешници?
@@BulgarianNationalism cigan
@@BulgarianNationalism 🤡 ne.
It was a joy to hear the Lerin dialect spoken so wonderfully - thank you! (I have a copy of the ABECEDAR)
imas digitalna verzija od ABECEDAR ot?
prati kopija pls
Би сакала да знам од каде го набавивте? Може ли да се дојде до копија?
Yep, what's your email?
@@janamitevska31 Yep, what's your email?
@@janamitevska31 Knigata (ABECEDAR) beshe od dedo mi
I left a comment on your other video, but again, I'm a Bulgarian trying to see the other side in good faith. I was able to fully understand you speaking Macedonian, except for the bitola dialect part :D
And the main separation between our two languages is, as you said, the fact that modern Bulgarian is based on the eastern dialects. I'm from Varna and I have never had problems writing and reading correctly, while some people from Sofia struggle to this day with their dialect. So in that sense, if the Bulgarian language was codified with Macedonian in mind, I think they could have evolved into a single language very easily, although it would probably be harder to read and write. A recent linguistics video I watched about the English language and why it is so convoluted to read and write said basically that it's because of the vast amount of dialects that make it impossible to make an inclusive language reform.
As for the debate if Macedonian is a language or a dialect, there is no codification as to what separates the two so I always defend Macedonian as a language.
Appreciate that brother! And no one is saying the two languages aren’t very close, but there were definitely differences large enough to cause tension in the early 1800s when Bulgarian was codified without the use of Macedonian dialects. I personally can speak neither Bulgarian nor Serbian, but can read Bulgarian just fine, though I can understand spoken Serbian easier. Goes to towards the whole idea that Macedonians is in the continuum between the two languages, as is Torlak
@@marioshistorytalks is 'shopski' a separate language, akin to macedonian ?
That is the case for every single language in neighbouring countries. Dutch and German, Swedish and Norwegian, Spanish and Portuguese. Language is a dialect with its own country. The western world made their own countries/kingdoms much earlier than Balkanic therefore balkanic languages might be closer to each other.
@@danchokonstantinov6735 Is Torlakian a separate language from Serbian, akin to Macedonian? It's just a matter of perspective. I could say that shopic region is Macedonian land taken by the Bulgarians, but I dont't because I have respect for my neighbours. Something which you and many of your compatriots have yet to learn.
@@philldonn705 I guess your grand... parents were ethnically cleansed by the greeks ! Is it not anomaly, those who fled to BG, kept bulgarian ethnicity and those who fled to America and Australia did not ! Your narrative is one sided , come to BG to hear from the descendants of macedonians their ancestral stories ! Most BG towns have a macedonian quater ! You are preaching DISUNITED MACEDONIA ! Your historians changes historical documents and archives or simply ignore them !
Mario, job well done. This modern way of explaining historical and linguistic facts should be taught in all Macedonian schools. This is what schools should teach the next generation of Macedonians.
Как да ви промиват главите ли?
@@HeroManNick132 Мајка ти млада е?
@@TheAusroar Поне не е по-млада от твоята ти държава, която е едва на 30 години, на които трябва да сте благодарни на нас, че бяхте първи признати като БЮРМ и по-късно от гърците Северна Македония. 😂
@@TheAusroar Macedonians are very brainwashed
Изкаш да кажеш следващата генерация ЧИСТИ Българи, нали?
We call the mices "gluvci" because they make noises at night , (vreva vo gluvo doba ) when everybody
is sleeping !
Mario is back with the facts!
We need more consistent videos Mario love your work! Could you make a video regarding the roots of our tatar neighbours? It seems that they are confused themselves and the world needs to know how these mongols ridiculous claim to Macedonian history!
And to add, would be great to hear about Vanco Mihajlov and why he was controversial.
@@manutdfan8899 Mario did whole episode on Vanco.Look through his channel
@@ЈанеСандански-л1и thanks!
@@manutdfan8899 Промит мозък! Колко лесно можеш да се манипулираш лапни шаранче? 😂
Tatar Mongols have nothing to do with Bulgarians. Macedonians are bulgarian in denial
Spot on, Mario! We need more people like you.
Да, ама не
@@BulgarianNationalism........ glupak.
@@BulgarianNationalism..... eat green.
I am from the reka region we have the oldest or one of the oldest macedonian dialects
Колко стари? На 30 години? 😂
@@HeroManNick132 ne na 500 godini ja aku zboram na moj dialekt ti nemat nisto da me razbiras bugarin smrden
@@HeroManNick132 no did you even watch the video?
@@nikola4048 Не разумем енглески!
@@HeroManNick132 дали го види видеото
You are a treasure to the Macedonian community. Македонија Вечна.
На 30 години!
Македониjа у газот ти!
Lol I don't see any country called macedonia
No eyes?
Маймуни - до края!
I simply enjoy watching your content keep your head up i can't wait to watch next episode
Clown!
@@HeroManNick132 Tatar no history :)))
Mario, anyone taking on the responsibility of researching and presenting this needs to be thorough and logical. You have given a masterclass on this my friend. Nema greshka
Нема грешка у твоjот болен мозок, а?
Keep it up champ ❤🇲🇰🇲🇰
Заври си го това знаме отзад!
@@HeroManNick132 Да и го заврам на мамица ти отзад, ау чекај, извини, веке и го завраа генерации генерации ахахахахахаха
PETAR SEKOE DOBRO ! ! ! Tatjana od MAKEDONIJA
Ама зашто го пишеш на английски? Напиши го на "македонски"
@andreasmichael5022 MAKEDONCI -- MAKEDONSKI JAZIK ! !
"ti"...... ?
Good job Mario, you have my support
Клоун!
@@HeroManNick132 CREP .
Браво Марио! Одлично, информативно видео!
За промити глави да!
@@HeroManNick132 Шо мајка ти?
MARIO MAKE INTELIGENT VIDEO ! ! !
6:05 sounds a lot like Gevgelisko, my cousin talks very similar to that.
Great and well done ❤🇲🇰
Ти си българка, приеми го!
Fantastic work, Mario. Over 5,000 views (on your way to 6,000) in less than 24 hours! Thank you to our neighbours to the east and to the south for their contributions. I know some of you are hanging on each day for the release of each new video, and a handful of you keep regularly returning to past videos while you wait - and keep adding comments. That’s so cool! (Yes, you’ve been caught out!) I can visualise one in particular who is surely scratching his head right now, whilst consulting his neogreek propaganda pages, attempting to formulate a response to this video.
Mario, I hope further down the track you can make a video on those three oldest (known) recorded folk songs you mention because I’ve always said our folk songs, of which there are well over 5,000 recorded, are a record of our history, as well as bringing so much joy to Macedonians and the world, and bringing us together as a people.
Oh, and thank you Mr Tito for your special powers and your magic wand....or was it a time machine?
While you live in a fantasy world - the reality is you are choking on Prespa, Bulgaria is holding you accountable, and the French proposal has renewed ethnic fighting. Better you stay out of the EU so you can have a North Korean historiography. BTW - the Macedonist Flat Earther UMD congressional resolution has stalled because those who stand for the truth have sent actual proof and evidence to every single member of Congress that these dead "Macedonians" you are trying to honor are actually proud Bulgarians. Cmon Mario....why not get on a video with Kiril from Samuels Fortress or Bobby??? Yea, I don't think so...Meto is smart enough to keep you away. A bunch of amateurs - the lot of you.
Искрено ме оставивте без коментар. Огромна благодарност и почит кон вашиот труд и работа.
Боже какъв лапни шаран си значи, да се манипулира от най-малкото. Ти си буквално като стадо с овце - каквото им каже господарят, това правите. Колко е жалко с този сепаратазъм...
Ти си бугарин.
доктора що ти речи 😂😂
@@БориславКуманов MAKEDONCI govorat Makedonski jazik.
ti bleej .
Translation to Bulgarian in case any Bulgarians struggle to understand: "Искрено ме оставихвте без коментар. Огромна благодарност и почит към вашият труд и работа." Ok, I hope Bulgarians are able to read this now, I had to use Google Translate. You're welcome.
Pozdrav od Sydney 🇲🇰🇦🇺
Pozdrav od Skopje 🇲🇰
поздрав Андреј 👍🏻🇲🇰
@@avstraliskizivot Жалък сърбоман!
@@Rabid_Nationalist Пропагандие*
Excellent!
Приличаш на татар, дядка!
love the videos we need more lets go one a week
#Brainwashed
@@HeroManNick132 wash ...... your dog.
Great vid as always, that was so cool to hear 15th century Macedonian and actually understand it perfectly
15th century Macedonian? Pls
@@HeroManNick132 It's not our fault your mom sold her body at the Macedonian border for chewing gum in the 90's, don't hate us for it
Macedonian was Bulgarian back then
@@77belts your mother was bulgarian back then
@@77belts
"Was" and "is"
is not the same !
The Earth "was" flat sometime !
Do you know ?
Mario as far as i know the Lexicon is not called Bulgarian but there is a sentence written above everything in some other period that mentions Bulgarian, which is more close to beeing Bulgar trying to falsify the lexicon than being an original part of it. That text is written in vertical 90° rotated text. So, its good people to know about it. However, world academics, linguists, slavists have identify the words inside that are Macedonian ones, as you said.
Nice of u to have a Bulgarian as Ur profile pic
@@77belts "Macedonians will free Macedonia without the interference of neighboring countries: In Macedonia there should be neither Bulgars, nor Greeks, Serbs, Romanians, or Turks--only Macedonians!"
-Jane Sandanski to Italian. newspaper L'Italia all'Estro, 1908
@@nikola4048 and sandanski identified as Bulgarian and wanted macedonia is Bulgaria as macedonia was majority Bulgarian. Nice try cherry picking though.
@@nikola4048 But you people are Bulgarians…its Crystal Clear! COPE 🤡
@@77belts MAKEDONIJA IS MAKEDONIJA.
eat yellow.
Македонија Славна колевка на Традиционалните вредности, Култура, и Писменост 🌹🇲🇰❤️
"вредности" що за сърбоман си ти?
Хайде, макета по павета!
Слава Македонија!
@@fjkg4lers509 Во газот ти!
@@fjkg4lers509 EVERY BEST ! ! ! Tatjana from MAKEDONIJA
I'm from prilep Not gonna lie i really whant to just sit down with you drink coffee and talk about Macedonia and Macedonian history I love all of your videos I watched them all keep up the good work my brother ❤️
Македонска история - от Ибей ли сте я купили? 😂
@@HeroManNick132 Македонска историја у на мајка ти пичката пред 30 години, сите камионџии
What history? You guys are Bulgarian rejects 🎪🤡🤣
@@vic4130 Ти си татар исто! Вашият шиптърски живот е още по-мизерен! Дай си пасошчето си поне!
MACEDONIAN HISTORY 25 CENTURIES from KING FILIP ! ! !
Mans doing Gods work
Out of ALL your fans from Southeastern Indiana, I am by FAR the #1.
Propagandist?
Mario great job. I really appreciate this as a Macedonian. We will keep supporting you as much as we can.
Промита глава!
@@HeroManNick132 Мајка ти да се промие
@@TheAusroar Maika ti da si Izmie putkata
@@77belts sho majka ti?
@@TheAusroar Во газот ти мрсен!
Mario, I have no words! Amazing, your ability to research, source AND articulate historic Macedonian literature is mind blowing. Bravo Mario, da mu pokazis na cel svet za maka Macedonia!! Thank you
Thank you Nick! I really appreciate your support
Велика Маймунодония!
@@marioshistorytalks Да ти се невиди пропагандата, югославец такъв
@@BulgarianNationalism Монголия над всичко 🇲🇳🥶🥶🥶🥵🥵
@@nikola4048 Маймунодония.
GOD BLESS YOU MARIO, YOU ARE CHAMP..!!
Шампионски страхливец, избягал в САЩ!
@@HeroManNick132 RESPEKT FOR MARIO ! ! !
I wish I could thank the Roman Vicar, Sylvester (Sylvestri?) [Macedonian Lexicon of the 16th Century - Giannelli and Vaillant] for preserving the Kosturkso vocabulary. It is fortunate that this document has been preserved because so many Macedonian documents and books have been destroyed - by order of the powers that be at the time.
Having grown up in the diaspora in Australia, I have not been formally educated in my mother tongue but after my visits to my ancestral village, I can vouch that this is exactly how the Kostursko dialect is spoken by the elders there. I did not have to strain once to pick up what you were reading. My family uses the word gluvec for mouse (plural gluvci) and I particularly like the word for ‘little mouse’ which I find really cute - gluvce.
And your reading of p93 of the ABECEDAR was music to my ears. Every word as clear and exact as my grandparents speak it. I guess I’m more fluent than I give myself credit for, at least in terms of local dialect.
It is never too late to learn your native tongue, my brother
Greetings, @@TheAusroar I understand and speak the Kostursko dialect. Never having been taught Cyrillic, I cannot read or write in Macedonian. I wish my local community would organise a short course for adults, because, as you say, it's never too late.
btw - I'm a sestro! Have a good day!
Another great episode !✌👍
Браво за видеото! Да живее Македонија
Македониjа у газот ти да живее! 🤡
This is a really good video which comes up with written documents about many centuries long Macedonian history and language. The video is understandable to all Macedonians and people from surrounding countries. However, today we need to present the documents and facts about our history and language on a way which the worldwide corrupt politicians can easily understand without giving them an option to misuse them.
Clown!
@@HeroManNick132 IN MAKEDONIJA --- PEOPLE.
@ q q .
God blessing you Mario, Only in this way we'll protect our saint Македонија. You have all our support! Please continue with these facts! The facts are immense in the hidden history.
Одлично зборуваш македонски, со нетрпение ги очекувам твоите видеа на македонски. Мој предлог би било твоето прво видео на македонски да биде поврзано со објаснување на македонското прашање на нашите Македоци или теророт кој го доживеале Македонците во Егејска Македонија.
Поздрави од патриотски Аеродром, Скопје од внука на Егејци.
Мечтай си за Егейско море, както и за Пиринската ви Македония промита глава!
Ти си българка, приеми го!
Pozdrav od Kumanovo
-Many of the Macedonian language words are bound with toponyms, for example:
Кутлеш or Kuт (Kuti, Kutija, Kutivce,) = Box, + Леш (Lesh) = corpse/dead body meaning
-Box with a Corpse,
-Костур, (Kostur) = Sceleton
-Драма (Drama) = Drama
-Кожани (Kozha) = Skin refering to the Skin people
-Воден (Voden, Voda,Vodneni) = Water, Wet The Wet ones
-Вардар Var Вар/Варовник (камен) LIme/Limestone + Дaр Dar = gift, most likely refering to the Limestones as a gift that were transported from the Quarries in the Polog region and other regions that the stone was beeing excavated to be used in the Ancient Buildings in the Agean or it could just reffer to as "White Gift" because the primary color beeing used even today in Macedoniaor in Greece is white color using Lime to paint the walls and it is called Varosuva ili Beli Ќе варосуваш, Ќе Белиш, the earliest found source is from the 2nd century and that does not corespond to the teory that was named after the Gothic word Vordoi because that was in the 5th century, and it is highly unlikely that comes from the Tracian word Vardar that means Black water unless it is adopted by the Greek word Mavrovopol that means Black town or Црно Поле Crno Pole Mavrovo in Macedonian
-I would also like to put Виница Vinica meaning Wine town,
-maybe Кочани (Kocan(студ), Ukocen, Vkocaniet) = Cold, Stiff, Stiff body from Cold, i am mentioning this because Kochani is a Geothermal region with extremly high temp at 82 degrees celsius and open Geysers in the past , very high compared to any other place in the balkans and have confirmed Ancient Hot Springs and very interestingly two villages have the name Banja that is the village Banja near Kocani and IstiBanja near Vinica that means Spa and acording to the old traditions when you have cold in your bones you need to bath in hot water to get the cold out
there are many more but maybe for the next time
Also i would like to put here the scentences
"Брат со брата очи си ваде" or
"Македонците си ги ископаа очите едни со други"
"не си ги вадете очите"
"си ги извадоа очите"
"Брза кучка, слепи кучиња раѓа"
"Брат за брата, сирење за пари."
"За светот кој плачи, без очи ќе остани."
"Кој со ѓаолот, тикви сади, ѓаолот на крај очите му ги вади"
if this are not related to Tsar Samoil and Basil II than i dont know what is
and one more saying as last
"Ако се сториш овца, секој ќе те стрижи."
Това е български диалект !
ZNAME KUTLES' ( Vergina Sun ) e MAKEDONSKO 25 VEKA.
od FILIP KRAL IV vek pred ovaa era i denes XXI vek ! ! !
I'm Tongan who loves history, and something that always seemed off to me was when reading about Macedonia - they were considered "slavs who entered the balkans". Many Greeks and Bulgarians (occasionally Albanians) dismiss Macedonian history and claim Alexander the great as their own.
So to find a Macedonian proud of their history and culture, as well as willing to defend it, is awesome - love learning about your beautiful country.
Alexander the Great & the Ancient Macedonians were Greeks, that is undeniable. Your people are Bulgarians, that is also undeniable! :)
@@SpartanLeonidas1821
I have 0% slavic blood, not a single drop. I can bet my life savings I am not slavic.
@@grappling.enthusiast What are you then?
@@SpartanLeonidas1821
You really don't read before you respond, do you?
@@grappling.enthusiast Tongan? What is that. The only Tonga I know is the Underwear 🩲🤡🤣
Nice video Mario, keep them coming 👍
Thank you Katy:)
Awesome work,bravo Mario ❤
Ти си българка, приеми го!
Македонија на Македонците!
Македониjа у бабинскиот ти газ! 🤡
Since you mentioned that you have some Aromanian descent will you make a video about the “”second bulgarian empire”” which was founded by a Vlach family from the Haemus mountains, and how everyone from crusaders to byzantines called them and their state as Vlachs? And on the forced Bulgarisation of those Vlachs , which lived there long before bulgars, and whose assimilated traditions they use to claim even Thracian heritage,
( it is said by the surviving Romanian comunity of Vidin that right after the Romanian army fought to eliberate bulgaria in 1878 the Bulgarians pushed a very harsh assimilation process where burning romanian Books or even Bibles or throwing them in the Danube was a common practice)
You are pushing nonsences here !
Ancient proper Kingdom Makedon was
having Macedon language !
It is clear like day light !
When Macedonian Alexander the Ggreat (" megalit" "megalo" is common indoeuropean expresion )was refering to macedonians he was shouting we the Makedonians ,
but when he was refering to Helenes as cultural aliance he was shouting "we the Helenes" !
Why you are so self admirers Guptians when Greek is not European language !
We the Slav enlightened nations ( including macedonian as Slav enlightened nation in the new Era !
That Era what you are referring after Jesus Crist macedonia was famoust and the Empire too !
Never it was Greek Empire !
How they could have been speaking Greek when "Greek" as an expresion is of a new Era in Europe !
In Ancient time Helenism started out of Europe !
Raul You are making some alarming statements but then again, a Bulgarian nationalist recently wrote that Romania is really Bulgarian so perhaps you are equal. Stuff and nonsense.
If you want to talk about "forced Bulgarisation of those Vlachs", you've got the wrong country - you need to talk to Bulgaria. While you're at it, you might have a word with Greece about all the Vlachs who today are "Greeker than the Greeks."
The Vlachs in Macedonia are respected, recognised and free to identify as they wish and many choose to identify as Macedonian. Famous singer, Tose, loved Macedonia like a pure Macedonian and one of the most famous, Pitu Guli, immortalised in the Macedonian national anthem, fought bravely for Macedonia.
@@mellake7052 If you search yourself What the byzantines and crusaders Said about the Asan brothers you will see I was right, so what is so alarming about it? Have you at least bothered to search the stuff that I said and look into them before making that comment? It doesnt look like it😅
@@raul9648 Like I said, you need to take that up with the Bulgarians. And don't forget Greece.
@@mellake7052 never suggested Anyone except bulgarians were guilty of that, just suggested a good video topic regarding Bulgarian propaganda in the Balkans,
Taka se saka Makedonija.Samo napred i prodolzi uste posilno i poubedlivo!
Пишувај на кирилица
@@AndrejNikolov-xw2gi Нали писахте, както сърбоманите и на кирилица, и латиница? Що го спираш? 😂
@@HeroManNick132 Писахме, јадахме, пихме и мамати а ебахме :D
@@HeroManNick132 Рече човекот со англиско име🤡💩🤡💩🤡
@@ЈанеСандански-л1и Рече го човекът с J в кирилицата си! Откога J стана част от кирилицата? Когато станахте южни сърбчета в тъй наречената Вардарска Бановина, която не щете да примете като име ли? 😂
As a Ukrainian old Macedonian is more understandable for me than modern once. I understood probably 90percents but modern I understood maybe 50% (depends on topic)
Macedonia to Macedonians.
Во газот ти!
There is Macedonian folk story about a couple, a husband and wife pray to God for the golden gift. Everything the husband touches turn into gold. The folk story has a tragic end. Sounds familiar to anyone? Some famous legendary and historical individual?
i have heard of it.
@@cigan-z6o It is the Phrygian king Midas.
@@boki98737.... before 25 centuries
FILIP KING ON MAKEDONIJA ! ! !
MACEDONIAN HISTORY 25 CENTURIES from KING FILIP ! ! !
Одлична работа Марио, секоja чест!
Жалка гледка си.
"dopia" does not mean "indigenous" at all. it just means "local".
Браво Марио--Најдобар си --Поздрав од далечна Аустралија
Колко жалък си значи...
Zzdravo Mario ,checked please which Greek Neygbor objected against releasing the ABC des for “Greek state slavophones “ tnx
Марио ти си ЦАР ! Голема почит за се што работиш. Прав Македонец.
Прав македонец во кривиот ти газ!
@@HeroManNick132 Бугарче си ти ? Аспарух ?
@@vladopolezina4094 Ако си професор по история в не знам си кой унивирситет в Скопие, защо го пропускане кан Кубер? И не е хан, а кан!
Колко денари ви плащат, да разпространявате пропаганди и омрази към нас, обясни ни? И сериозно ли му вярваш на тоя беглец, избягал в САЩ да го промива управлението още повече?
@@vladopolezina4094 SEKOE DOBRO ! ! ! Tatjana
Thank you for your effort and research, you doing a great job
Македонскиот јазик е нашата татковина
Браво Марио, само напред!
Жалки сте ми всичките вардарчани!
You should make patreon
Considering it!
@@marioshistorytalks i am first patreon
@@marioshistorytalks I'm in!
Браво Марио, само продолжи!
Да продължи да ти пържи мозъкът ти? Хаха, не бъди толкова лесно манипулиран от най-малкото!
поздрав до булката Коловски 😂
Absolutely Amazing, Bravo Makedonce
Клоун!
M A K E D O N I J A BEAUTIFUL COUNTRY ! ! !
Hi Mario, great video! Thank you for ur work and spent hours on fighting for our country! The youth here listens to ur videos. Would love to see some vidoes about Blgaria or maybe Albanians in Macedonia(history). Also do you speak Macedonian?
Yeah,also u should interview some older Macedonians, who live there or post some books, interviews of American scientist's(professor's) who wrote about Macedonia and our differences, from the other Balkan nation's! You should definitely open a club, it would be great for us young Macedonian patriot's to join and share knowledge about our great country, at least on Twitter or Facebook 😁!
And have you watched his video at all? Half of this video is spoken in Macedonian.
@@IvanT7 Промита глава!
@@HeroManNick132 excuse me?
@@IvanT7 Извинявай се колкото си щеш, ала като си лапни шаранче и лесно манипулиран от сепаратисти и македонисти като този, много ясно, че ще си останеш промита глава! Колко проклети създания може да сте всичките македонци, че да не си признаете какви сте всъщност, но с такива като теб спор нема!
брате ти си легенда
Американска легенда 😂 Подкупен от американскоъо правителство.
sekoja chest Mario! dasini zhiv i zdrav i Sevishniot date chuva!
Pozdrav od Germaija
Клоун!
@@HeroManNick132 ЛГБТ одговори
@@savoelenov Като тебе ли? Ти си точно като ЛГБТ! Можеш да се самоопределяш за какъвто си поискаш, но отговорът е само един! Ти си българин, приеми го!
Както има 2 пола, така има само 3 нации, които трябва да си върнат откраднатите територии от изкуствената ти нация или както му викате "вещачката нация." Вардар принадлежи на България, Гърция и Албания!
Вие сте създадени през 1944 година!
Секоја чест Марио! 🙏
Чествувай гъза ми!
This was top quality man, I've been trying to tell people about the texts with greek letters. That really needs to get out more, as it really puts an end to the Macedonian Question!
Промит мозък!
This is how it sounded, especially the guy from Kukush: th-cam.com/video/_OeNP19U9tk/w-d-xo.html
Thank you so much. This is so invaluable. ❤️
@@mellake7052 "Dimitar Georgiev Hrtev se kazvam. Ot koe myasto sm mo, ot Serskata Okoliya. Yaz sm makedonec. Na hilyada devetsto chetirdese i deveta god'ina, da kazheme, da kazheme celoto takova, kogato sm ranen, nali? Kogato sa ranih ili kak? Kogat sm opatil takov. Partizan. I sm smo-osakatil sm ranil na Belasica na chetiridese i deveta god'ina... Blizo do Banitca e to i da kazheme petnaise min'uti, po noti ss magareto..."
@@alexthetruth5945 😥💔
Who are the brothers Milonov Mario??
The Macedonian brothers Cyril and Methodius - who were born in Solun and came from very well-respected families which is well documented, had created the “new” Macedonian alphabet which was based on the Macedonian language and dialect in the country that they were born in, so Solun (Thessalonica) clearly is in no possible way shape or form “Greek”, and it is that same language and alphabet (with slight district dialects) that is used extensively all over eastern Europe! They’re all quite happy to say that they (the brothers) were Greeks, but they didn’t go and spend decades forming and creating an alphabet, or using the language that the Greeks currently do and then spreading it all over now did they? No, it was Macedonian.
They’re quite happy to say that "slavs" invaded us - yet somehow, it’s “our” language and alphabet that is used and was then spread to “those” lands many centuries later. They also can’t turn around now and say that the brothers were Bulgarian - not limited to the fact that there was no Bulgaria back then as it was only first conceived in 1870, and the fact that they were born in Solun (Thessalonica), so which is it then?
Can’t be Greeks as they didn’t spread that language did they?
Can’t be Bulgarians being born in Solun (Thessalonica) can they so there’s the trump card - They were Macedonian and recognised as Macedonians way back in the 9th Century, even gaining permission and allowed after hundreds of years of Roman rule where Latin was the Lingua Franca to conduct the Holy Liturgy services in Rome mind you in the Macedonian language in 867!
It was directly reflected in Macedonia where the legacy of the Cyril and Methodius literary and linguistic work was incorporated into the activity of their most prominent disciples Clement and Naum, who during the last decades of the 9th century and the beginning of the 10th century developed comprehensive spiritual, cultural and educational activity in their native country Macedonia. Funny that! Sounds like they have their constantly changing stories a little backwards and keep changing it to when and how they see fit that still doesn’t make ANY sense according to literally ANY history published ANYWHERE on this topic!
Macedonian - period.
🎪🎪🤡🎪🎪
@@SpartanLeonidas1821 You’re absolutely correct, you all sound like clowns!
@@SpartanLeonidas1821 why did you show a selfie of yourself?
@@SpartanLeonidas1821 I do admit, this new flag looks like a circus and the old one was removed because of the UK and US. influence in greece. How much do you think they want to separate greece and macedonia from the rest of the eastern world further? Spread lies about food? NO WAY!
@@kristijanmladenovski596 😂 It's called ego - a desperate need for attention.
Brate...where u at?
У САЩ, страхливецът...
@@HeroManNick132 MARIO e vo AMERIKA.
i ? MAKEDONCI zboruvaat Makedonski jazik.
👌💓☀️
Ти си българин, приеми го!
@@HeroManNick132 TATJANA MAKEDONKA.
vol .
Video going viral. 💖 Full steam ahead, Mario!
🤡
@@HeroManNick132 viral like monkeypox
@@HeroManNick132 🐴
@@mellake7052 🐵
@@HeroManNick132 (aka Lenny Guy) 😱
Mario can you make a video about Macedonia and Macedonians durring the 2nd Balkan war
Macedonians are Bulgarians
MACEDONIANS ARE MACEDONIANS ! ! ! ! !
As always great content mate, keep it up!
Георги "Гоце" Николов Делчев е българин!
GOCE DELC'EV E MAKEDONEC ! ! ! ! !
Great job Mario I wish you positive outcome, hope the world understand the Macedonian fight for their human rights, Macedonian identity, language, their own history since Alexander the great Macedonian and his father Philip the second King of Macedonia and beyond. Голем поздрав Марио Христовски great Macedonian patriot.❤
3:06 the Greek word is ντόπια, which you saw it's transliteration as "dopia" and assumed that it was pronounced as thopia. It meaning is not so much "indegenous" as it is "regional", εν + τόπος. Using the title "regional" for this idiom does seem to be a blunder, what it should be called is "Invasive" because came to Macedonia through slavic invaders that invaded parts of Macedonia 800 years after Alexander
and yet distinct proto-indo european dna is still present while greece is more E in their haplogroup through mediterranean influence from the seas. Interesting how slavic invaders squatted so hard here that hey littarly got assimilated and now speak our language.
@@rekamud6635 how would the slavic invaders be the ones that got assimilated when THEIR language is the one that is being spoken in the northern areas. If you have any ancestry from inhabitants prior to the slavic invasion it means that this part of your ancestry got assimilated by the slavic invaders.
History has many examples of tribes/groups which absorb the language of the peoples they invade/occupy and lose their original language or develop a hybrid.
@@mellake7052 In the beginning of the 20th century the language descended from the Koine Greek the Alexander made known throughout his empire was still spoken in many places in Macedonia and you think that you will appropriate the name Macedonians only for those that speak the language of the slavic invaders?
@@mellake7052 Also WHAT? the if you had some ancestry from the people that before the slavic invasion that would mean that these ancestors started speaking the language of the invaders, not the other way around
I have no problem understanding you, though I'm not Bulgarian nor Macedonian.
Od ova bugarive spas nema😀. Na site Makedonski videa na youtube pisuvaat komentari. Obsednati se so nas.
А ти сърбоманин лекуваш ли се от българофобията и македонизма?
Fr
You're the best
Браво . Единствен си .
Единствен страхливец, хаха!
THIS IS MACEDONIAN MEDIUM ! ! !
Секоја чест Марио!
легенда си бе чичо
Ти си българин!
@@HeroManNick132 TATJANA MAKEDONKA.
s'vrk .
@@HeroManNick132 ti dibek .
@@HeroManNick132 komentar e na Makedonski jazik ! ! !
My baba use to say to me TATSU LAFE , and she was not Vlacha 😂
It is interesting that Grigor Prlichev wrote first the Serdarot or O Armatalos. He mastered Greek, but he couldn't master Bulgarian. He struggled with years to learned it. I believe because O Armatalos was written in Katharevousa, artificial sociolect than resembles Ancient Greek(purist, formal Greek). It was characterised by limited vocabulary compared to the vernacular Greek. It was easy for Grigor Prlichev to write poetry in the purist Katharevousa because of its limited vocabulary.
Ahaha
are 🤡 🤡 🤡 🤡 🤡.
GRIGOR PRLIC'EV e avtor na "SERDAROT" .
PRLIC'EV e roden vo OHRID --- MAKEDONIJA .
I wish my baba was still here to listen to you! It is sad that the argument even needs to be made because it is self evident to MACEDONIANS. My babas family was from visheni and my dedos family was from ekshisou.
Funny how some data is presented partially to create some sort of illusion. No matter that the language in the lexicon by Gianelli is labelled 'Bulgarian', let's go right ahead and label it 'Macedonian' even though the lexicon is about words used in the geographic region of Macedonia... All this exercise proves, is how close Macedonian and Bulgarian languages are...
Another example is Krste Misirkov. He was indeed born in Pella, a region where Greeks and Slavs were intermixed during the Ottoman period. However, why omit things that Misirkov said? In 1924, when Misirkov is no longer under Russian sponsorship, he becomes adamant about the Bulgarian identity of Slavs in the Macedonian region. I can post quotes, but I am sure you are aware of them....
Videos like these are just proof of how difficult it is for modern ethnic Macedonians to trace back their history just a few eons from today. And how could they, when their ethnogenesis began in the late 19th century? Which further poses the question how can they really link themselves to ancient Macedonia when they can hardly convince the academia beyond the late 19th century, let alone beyond medieval times?
@Dimitris Mythos Funny how some [Bavarian Greek] illusions are partially presented as fact….
No matter that “Greek”, right up to the creation of Bavarian Greece in the ancient 1830s, was called Roman, as were the people, both by others and as self-identification. I guess that makes dimi an Italian - if we apply dimi logic.
Macedonian and Bulgarian are similar? Moot point. That’s how the language continuum works in all language groups (except for Greek and Albanian for some weird reason), including the Germanic and Romance languages. The Swedes, Danes and Norwegians have almost identical languages but they are civilised peoples and do not resort to petty and moronic attacks and dummy-spitting over such a non-issue as some people do. Bulgarian is also similar to Serbian and Serbian is almost identical to Croatian. Again, applying dimi logic, I guess that makes those people Bulgarian…or does it make Bulgarians Serbs or Croats? Hmm, what a conundrum.
What your collection of out-of-context and carefully selected quotations from Misirkov don’t include, and I’m sure are not aware of them (because no paranoid obsessive _Roman_ sorry Greco would include them in their propaganda pages) is missing: *“There is a Macedonian culture and Macedonian national history, distinct from those of the Serbs and Bulgarians, even though they have so far not been the object of extensive and impartial study: the Serbs and Bulgarians have one-sidedly and with a strong bias chosen from Macedonian culture what glorifies their own national name.” - Krste Misirkov, 1924*
Or would you nationalist Romans prefer: “What is most essential for us is internal unity, mutual unity in Macedonia, we do not need Serbs, Bulgarians or Greeks, *for we are none of these;* we do not need Patriarchists, or Exarchists because we are only Orthodox Christians.”- Krste Misirkov, On Macedonian Matters, 1903
Or: “Oh, Macedonians! It is time we realized that the *greatest demon* Macedonia must battle against is none other than Bulgaria; and this is why we must keep our interests apart from those of Bulgaria. Common sense demands it”. - Krste Misirkov
Russia and Misirkov you say?
In his excellent paper, M.Karadji, Greek academic (of the decent human being variety) describes how in 1844, Russian researcher V. Grigorovich observed the situation in Macedonia and wrote: “In all the areas I visited I heard no names but those of Alexander the Great and Marko Kralevich. They both live in the national memory as figures of general significance.” Karadjis elaborates: “Now, of course, Greek nationalists complain that Alexander the Great was ‘Greek’ and so how dare ‘Slavic’ people now living in Macedonia claim his heritage. But this is the point, unless we consider all these people in the areas visited by Grigorovich to be part of a sinister anti-Greek plot: the fact that these Slavic speakers identified with Alexander, a great ‘Macedonian’, is *evidence that they viewed themselves as distinct from Bulgarians* and had a kind of consciousness based on the history of the area they lived in.”
Well before Misirkov. Well before Tito.
Or would you prefer Greek quotations?
In your, um, collection, do you have the quotations from _Roman_ Greek hero, Pavlos Melas, where he refers to the Macedonian language as……………drum roll…………………….‘Macedonian’?
I guess you discard these. So, well before the Macedonian language became codified, _Romans_ knew of the Macedonian language and called it such. In a letter to his wife, Melas wrote: “...Kottas *spoke in Macedonian.* The teacher got the children to sing something. We couldn't tell if the language was *Macedonian* or Greek. All the schoolchildren know how to read and write (Greek), but hardly any know how to speak it...*I learnt a few Macedonian words...”* (Melas, Natalia, Pavlos Melas, Athens 1964, pp 239, 241, 244).
They didn’t teach you this in propaganda/how-to-hate-all-your-neighbours class?
If the Macedonians considered themselves ‘Bulgarian’ in the ethnic sense, don’t you suppose they would be fighting to unite with Bulgaria? After all, they would have become bigger and stronger and would more easily have freed themselves of the Ottomans, and also lived more secure lives. Instead, they resisted all attempts to force them to join with Bulgaria, many losing their lives for doing so (by the Bulgarians). But then again, all their neighbours tried the same.
And when did your ethnogenesis begin, dimi? You think a handful of decades has any significance in tens of thousands of years of human history? Only a few decades separate the creation of Greece and all the other nations. At least Macedonians struggled for their ethnogenesis, which was made all the harder because they were the last to free themselves of the Ottoman yoke, resulting in them being surrounded by vultures in every direction - which, in effect, makes it more authentic. Your ethnogenesis, in contrast, was created for you by western powers, right down to writing the script for how to be an ancient hellene and how to discard your Albanian/Slavic/Vlach/Turkish names and adopt names which hadn’t been heard since antiquity. You funny bunny, you!
As for linking ourselves to ancient Macedonia, firstly, how do you Christian Albanians, Vlachs, Turks and more recently, the Christian Turks and Armenians resettled in Northern Greece, link yourselves to the ancient city states (remembering there was no Greece then, nor had you Albanians, Vlachs, Turks, etc made an appearance in antiquity.)
But more importantly, remember that endearing quotation you sent me on another video of Mario’s on the topic of DNA (as if DNA determines ethnicity) and which obviously made your chest puff up…well you missed the part where the company iGENEA mentions that these “Slavs” of Macedonia, [you love that word, “Slav”, don’t you dimi!] "mingled with the ancient Macedonians"! [And then they became one!] So there’s your answer to the link to ancient Macedonia. And you provided it all by yourself! Good one, champ! We should present you with some poppies now - if you know what I mean. (You’ve been surprisingly silent there.)
@@mellake7052 You are not fighting me, but the academia. You guys typically call it “Greek and Bulgarian propaganda” in an effort to marginalize what is generally accepted by the academic community all over the world. So go ahead and use the comment section of TH-cam, we all know most of it is nonsense.
This is what you guys are good at: writing sheets of text to cloud the issue. But let me be brief:
Misirkov: you said "What your collection of out-of-context and carefully selected quotations from Misirkov..." even though I didn't quote anything from Misirkov!!! And then you proceed spewing quotes from 1924 and before even though I said "In 1924, when Misirkov is no longer under Russian sponsorship, he becomes adamant about the Bulgarian identity of Slavs in the Macedonian region". But this is how you folks twist reality.
Pavlos Melas was born after the ethnogenesis of ethnic Macedonians, so whatever he said wouldn't contradict the academic narrative of late 19th c ethnogenesis of ethnic Macedonians.
iGenea: The whole quote is this "This is where the ancestors of today's Macedonians, the South Slavic migrants, *who came there in the 6th and 7th century AD* as land-taking farmers, found a home. The Slavs mingled with the local population, which consisted of paions (protobulgarian tribes from Paionia), ancient Macedonians and other ethnic elements". Two things of notice: 1) You ARRIVED 1000 years after Alexander the Great died. 2) You mixed with descendants of ancient Macedonians (ofc southern North Macedonia has Heraclea Lyncestis), but MOSTLY Paeonians. But you didn't chose to call yourselves as the Paeonians... ;) Not so glorious... But in any case, as you agreed elsewhere, DNA doesn't define ethnicities, so based on the above, you still have the AUDACITY to claim ancient Macedonian heritage when all archaeological evidence points to their Greekness.
Finally, your quote "propaganda/how-to-hate-all-your-neighbours class" fits you perfectly when you amount Greeks to "Christian Albanians, Vlachs, Turks and more recently, the Christian Turks and Armenians", when the existence of Greeks back then, who even spoke Greek, is so readily proven.
Next time you continue being insulting, I will start talking about Monkeydonians and Serbianized Bulgarians. And brother I can really pour it on. But for now enjoy this guy who realized he was on the wrong.
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@@my8osprive I didn’t say you quoted anything from Misirkov!!! (Look, we’re so excited, we’re getting into multiple exclamation marks!) YOU mentioned Misirkov, STATING YOU CAN POST QUOTES and I replied that they surely would not include the ones I posted. Ged it? And the Russians documented existence of a Macedonian consciousness well before Misirkov so your accusations of Russian influence on him hold no water.
Now we come to the funniest part. Melas (who was not the only Greek to refer to Macedonians and to their language as ‘Macedonian’) was born after the ethnogenesis of the ethnic Macedonians, yet after this acknowledgement, successive Greek governments (much later followed by the chanting of millions of well-trained parrots) claimed there is no such thing as either a Macedonian or a Macedonian language. When you were trying to ethnically cleanse the Macedonians, the Macedonian language became “Voulgarika” (by mutual agreement with Bulgaria to suit the political purposes of both parties, as (Greek) Professor Michalopoulos has described). How can that be? An existing language, called “Macedonia language” even by its enemies, suddenly ceases to exist. In fact, it now never existed at all. How can it be that when the ethnogenesis had started, ‘Macedonian’ was accepted but when it was well on its way, it no longer was? Smells of ulterior motives. (We know what they are.) Now, I know Greece attempted the most horrific ethnic cleansing on the indigenous Macedonians and have tried, unsuccessfully, to wipe out their language, but the very fact that it was commonly called Macedonian by Greeks is proof of your (country’s) backtracking and backflipping. Nothing your country has tried to extinguish anything Macedonian has worked (though you have done much horrific damage). In fact, you have (inadvertently, of course) made us stronger.
Another laughable absurdity - this time about Paeonians. So we mixed “mostly” with Paeonians did we? I didn’t know the ancient sex police kept track of this. Would you please produce the statistics? And even if this was true (as ridiculous as your imagined claim is), so what? Does the mixing of the Arvanites (Albanians) with the Greeks or the Vlachs for example or the hellenised Turks who have resided in Morea (modern day Greece) for centuries make them any less Greek? More importantly, the bulk of the Macedonian people (until fairly recently) populated South Macedonia which today finds itself within Greek borders. The people here ‘mingled’ (produced families and babies and communities) and evolved into modern Macedonians. They are the same people as those over the border in the Republic of Macedonia - the supposed and apparently pure Paeonians. It’s sheer stupidity to think that people remained frozen in place. Greeks settled in Asia Minor and Africa but Macedonians couldn’t possibly have ventured as far as Paeonia. Your thought process is a case study! btw Misirkov was born in the Aegean part of Macedonia (not Paeonia) as were most Macedonian heroes.
The existence of an ancient Greek *language* has survived, and that, mainly through the church. Reviving an ancient language amongst the common folk millennium later and having all those Albanians, Vlachs, Turks, etc who arrived 1,000+ years or more later than Alex learn to speak it, does not equate to continuity. And anyone can learn to speak Greek, dimi. Just like the Christians Turks and Armenians when they first arrived and the state hastily arranged language classes for them. Just like over 50% of the older generation of Macedonians can speak Greek as well as Macedonian. You still get offended when it is pointed out that the majority of the population of Morea (which became “Greece” by western powers) was mostly Christian Albanians (commonly known as Arvanites in Greece) followed by “Slavs” Turks, Vlachs and Roma and then some, and numerous sources have documented it INCLUDING GREEK ACADEMIA and you accuse me of racism for quoting them. (huh?) And they arrived more than 1,000+ years later and you have the AUDACITY to claim unbroken and pure connection.
As for your final paragraph, you are beyond contempt matey. You are seriously in need of help. Whilst Emmanuel Rhoides (a Greek!) wrote that “Greece suffers from the Greeks", sadly, dimi suffers from dimitris mythos and his delusions that others are stealing from him something he never owned
@@mellake7052 You're not fighting Greek propaganda but international academia. You are fighting the truth of Oxford and Harvard....
"The Macedonians: Immigrants from Macedonia came to the United States in significant numbers during the early years of the 20th century. Until World War II almost all of them thought of themselves as Bulgarians and identified themselves as Bulgarians or Macedonian Bulgarians."
--Encyclopedia of American Ethnic Groups. HarvardUniversity press. pp. 690-694.
"Unlike the Slovene and Croatian identities, which existed independently for a long period before the emergence of SFR Yugoslavia, Macedonian identity and language were themselves a product of federal Yugoslavia, and took shape only after 1944."
--Democratic consolidation in Eastern Europe. Oxford: Oxford University Press. p. 422
Paeonia: it's not me who says it, but iGenea which you guys are fond of quoting in TH-cam videos to brag about 'antic Macedonian' genetic heritage... The fact that your people reside in mostly where Paeonians lived, provides for a larger genetic heritage from Paeonians rather than Macedonians. Ethnically though, of course, since they are social constructs you are as distant to Paeonians and Macedonians as you are to Egyptians.
Your concept of a 'revival' of the Greek language is humorous and I won't even tire myself proving it to you. There is ample evidence of Greek being used among common folk in Ottoman occupied territories. Yeah sure, Arvanitika and Turkish also existed, but sorry to inform you Greek also existed widespread as an everyday language.
I don't suffer from anything. Even your own historians admit that your history is built on falsifications.
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@@my8osprive _”truth of Oxford….Immigrants…United States…blah, bla, bla”_ 1
My, you sure have a penchant for repeating your -slogans- comments. You obviously DO enjoy “tiring” yourself but the only thing you have proved is your bias, prejudice, misinformation, hate (whilst falsely accusing others of hate) and your fondness for making up things - which you have been caught out on some videos but you remain uncharacteristically quiet there.
If you’re going to accuse others of being “newly created” and ‘fake”, how about starting with your own? I’ve read enough books on the creation of the Greek state to know your reality - and most have been by Greek historians or their Philhellene buddies, - even Oxford and Harvard! You people go all out to deny a whole people their very existence, simultaneously creating myths and inventions about your own, which you attempt to pass off as truths, but academia is onto you, bud.
“The recent furore over the publication of a relatively mild historical and ethnographic account of the *progressive Hellenization* of the [now] Greek province of Macedonia (Karakasidou 1997) exhibits both the *nervousness of the Greek establishment* and the persistence of stereotypes of *Greeks as irrational, hysterical Balkan lunatics* among supposedly sober commentators in the West. It also demonstrates the *neuralgia that anthropology can induce in those who are committed to unitary myths of national origin…”* (“Theoretical Practice in Culture and Society, Anthropology” by Michael Herzfeld, p 68). [HARVARD]
Yours is the only nation on earth which demands that any of its neighbours have a direct link to the civilisations of antiquity which once upon a time walked the same territories, whilst simultaneously making an exception for your own nation which, even by Greek accounts, (and Harvard and Oxford) is the most artificially constructed nation in Europe, with nonsense claims of continuity and that the hellenised multi-ethnics are the Hellenes’ ancestors.
“There cannot be an Athenian alive today who can trace a direct line of descent from classical times to the present without leaving Athens. Because of numerous and protracted foreign occupations, true *Athenians were a relatively SMALL MINORITY EVEN IN THE AGE OF PERICLES.* In a later period the city was suffering with severe depopulation and was re-stocked with Albanians!” (Insight Guides, Athens, Greece Series, p 42
“Romaic Grammar” by E. A. Sofocles, A. M. 1842: “The revolution of 1821 has restored the ancient appellation ‘Ellines’ but as it is used chiefly by the inhabitants of Bavarian Greece, who perhaps *do not constitute more than one-fourth of the Greek nation,* it may safely be said that the *mass of the people still call themselves Romeii and their language Romaiki.”*
"Greece is the *most artificial of all artificial nations* that resulted from the dissolution of the Ottoman empire." Yerasimos Kaklamanis, Analysis of Neohellenic Bourgeois Ideology, p13
Getting back to Yugoslavia…..
What a difference a single word can make! “Identified as” does not mean ethnically so. Just as you are very much aware that in the Ottoman era “Bulgar” didn’t mean what it does today, listing Bulgarian on their papers didn’t mean that the Macedonians identified as such in an ethnic sense or personal sense.
From OXFORD academia: “In Ottoman Macedonia, Turk meant government official, Greek merchant,
Bulgar peasant, Wallachian shepherd.” “Class-conscious Slavic peasants applied the term “Greek” to most merchants, particularly if they considered them rogues.” “Western travellers to Macedonian quickly realised that the term “Bulgarian” was locally used to describe poor peasant Slavs.”
“When the Macedonian peasant uses the term Bulgar, they mean by it 1) people of a simple and hard working-life, 2) the bulk of simple labourers who speak Slavic, in contrast to the non-Slavs, the Greeks and the Turks, who are above this majority and consider them inferior. The first meaning is the main one: the word “Bulgar” denotes in the first case, a simple mode of life, work and thought.”
V Gounaris: “In broad term, every transhumant shepherd was thought to be a “Vlach”. Just as merchants were invariably called, or perceived, as “Greeks”, and peasants were “Bulgarians.”
Can I recommend you review these Ancient Macedonian words & what you think when compared with my Macedonian interpretation?
-Phalanax =Falanga=Falena-garda = Proudest (bragged - pride)-of guards,
- Sarisa=Zarija {Vzharija}= to Impale,
-Pike=Pikni (piknish) = insert,
-Nike = Nik = rule over = rabotnik (worker), sluzbenik (server), vodnik (leader), etc.
-Cosmos = kos-mos = na'v' kos'en-most= slanted bridge,
-Aorania = A'ora-n-ia = A' (points to above, Gods realm)-plough-on-earth = Heaven-on-earth,
-Alexandrou = A'lek-sa-n-dr = A' (points to above, Gods realm) - for - a - blessing (dar is not to be confused with poklon),
-Philipou = Fil-ip = Distinguished-most (Filen coek also used even today in the region of Ohrid
- Bucephalus = Bi-kefal = Ox/Bull - head, or resembles a Bulls personality (as in motions like a bull)
- Corinth = Korito = seems to refer to a Basin,
- Makedonia = Make-don-ia = Mother -Gifted-Land/earth, The word Dona is also borrowed by the Latins = as is Doena or Daena.
Just some I noticed & thought to share.
PELLA -- PELAGIA 25 CENTURIES MACEDONIAN LAND.
FILIP and ALEXANDER are born in M A K E D O N I J A ! !
Great work brother! Gjorgija Pulevski said it all. But hey Tito invented our alphabet in 1945, right tataromongols? 😆😆😆
u should make a video about exposing more bulgarian propaganda and photoshop.btw love ur vids ive learned alot from u!
Вие сте тези, които сте използвали фотошоп!
@@HeroManNick132 THIS IS VIDEO FOR MAKEDONIJA ! ! !
Благодарам тоа направи ова видео. Живеела Македонска култура!
Българска*
@@HeroManNick132 Македонска😏😏😏
@@HeroManNick132......
na istok od MAKEDONIJA E PIRINSKA MAKEDONIJA ! !
Can you make a video talking about Boris Sarafov? Pozdrav od Skopje!
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Clown!
Mario, here are for you Macedonian words of most likely substratum origin: bambule bambal babunjosa babunjosan, and karpa.The first word is Phrygian and it means penis an something engorged,bloated. The second one means stone,rock and cliff. It can be found in other languages on the Balkan too.
Ахаха, смешник!
Se babunosa velevme nie postarite porano ,
kako našite pretci što se izrazuvale !
A najaftentično e za piperkata babura od izrazot babri ili bubri !
A rekata Babuna e isto izraz zaradi toa što kade teče nababruva - se zgolemuva volumenozno !
A izrazot
"se podu" e poseben !
Od "duva" !
ALL TOWNS, RIVERS in MAKEDONIJA are with MACEDONIAN NAMES ! !
Многу убаво видео само продолжи така
Жалък сърбоман!
Is it true mario that north macedonia is a state of george soros? He is the owner of north macedonia? I was told that from natives when i visited macedonia 5 years ago !!!
Браќа Пиринци и Егејци некој ден ќе бидеме обединети.
Во газот си мрсен ќе го видиш, тоа бугарче во негирање! Дај си пасошчето да ти го видам!
As a Slovenian I understood mostly everithing
You gay Slovenian, should stop living under Yugoslavian propaganda and move on!
Браво
Клоун!
@@HeroManNick132 you are saying to me?
@@dejanveselinov2905 Не разумем енглески, бугарину во негирање!
@@HeroManNick132 Какво лошо ти казах за да ми се отплащаш по този начин, аз не деля хората по националност, за мен всички са еднакви. Имам много приятели в България и живеем сложно и често ходя до София, Боровец, Банско, големи поздрави 🤝
MAKEDONSKI NAROD -- LUGJE. hora..... tra la la.
Прости ми за дрскоста и дозволи ли ми можност за мал поттик на твоите размислувања. Зошто е Илинден најголем македонски празник? Кому му е Сонцето (св. ИЛИЈА - во англиски неук превод HELIOS) врвно божество. И како тоа остана така да биди и во "мнозинското" словенско население на овие простори? Словените имаат некои прото нордиски верувања или грешам. ПОЗДРАВ и за арно да се слушаме и видиме ако даде Сонцето!
Хаха и това ли сметнахте за ваше? Какво остава? Да кажете, че и Исус е бил роден во Скопие, а? 😂
@@HeroManNick132 Не знам дали е Исус роден во Скопје, ама знам дека ти си правен на граница за 2 червени ахахахахахаха
1903 ILINDEN Vostanie i vo Krus'evo --- MAKEDONIJA osnovana
KRUS'EVSKA REPUBLIKA. ILINDEN E MAKEDONSKI PRAZNIK ! ! !
We need people like you, thank you Mario 🇲🇰👌🏻
Bravo be dete
Ти на колко си?
@@HeroManNick132 Тој на мајка ти пичката е :D
@@TheAusroar Яж кур бе, сърбоманче!
Те обожавам Марио! Повторно врв!
Жалка марионетка си!
GORGI SE" NAJUBAVO ! ! ! Tatjana
Based post as always
Backstabber!
@@HeroManNick132 didn't stab a back that I used to stand by. I never defended the back of faschists and chauvinists. Long live Macedonian People's Republic
@@georgi_filipovic Monkeydonian clown!