Where Did NU-METAL Come From? | COAL CHAMBER & SPINESHANK
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Meegs Rascon is the guitar player of COAL CHAMBER & GEMINI SYNDROME. Mike Sarkisyan is the former guitar player of SPINESHANK
Hosted by guitar player & founder of Suicide Silence, Chris Garza
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#GarzaPodcast #CoalChamber #Spineshank #NuMetal #Metal
Spine shank was such an underrated band.
@@crowdkillproductions. Yes! The height of callousness album still gets played thru constantly to this day, same disc I bought at the mall of America in early 2000s.
@@3lectronaut7 yup, even by todays standards it holds up. Even the production.
There was ALOT of bands that could have been big as fuck. Five-point o, 3rd strike, 40 below summer, unloco, biohazard, ultraspank, pulkas, 36 crazyfists, fear the clown. Vision of disorder, twelve tribes, It was an awesome time of metal. Every band had there own style
@@snixbae holy shit, Fear the Clown dude. I remember when i first heard Flaw. I remember thinking " yeah they riding FTC's dick pretty hard". Flaw was decent tho also.
@@snixbae nothingface
Pretty fitting that Chris would wear the adidas tshirt during a Nu-metal discussion
@PaulBen19 thats what i remember it being called adidas Metal. I think guitar world had an early article, and it was titled that.
@@melian9999or you know. The korn song adidas…maybe your thinking of a tab lmao
The fact they talked about Snot and Lynn strait is badass !!
@@SNOWBLIND-u9v I saw Snot open up for Sevendust back in the day. Snot destroyed Sevendust, bro
I really really wish Spineshank would come back, we need them
Jonny and the drummer, I forgot his name, have a project supposedly coming out
@@thestubass truly. One of the most underrated bands in the nu metal community, their dedication to the craft, the whole original sound of height of callousness was amazing, i wish they came back ngl
L.A was the trend setter for Metal in the late 90's and early 2000
@@chato57er Florida as well with the death metal stuff
@@chato57er L.A. did it multiple times with different subgenres. Los Angeles is one of the most important entertainment hubs in the world!
In the US?
The Height of Callousness album still blows in my speakers to this day.
Nirvana, Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, and Alice In Chains were all called "Grunge" bands and they all sounded different.
MASSIVE Spineshank fan Garza!!! Thank you so much for doing this one, can't wait to watch the whole thing! 👏👏👏
Spineshank should've been as big as SOAD back in the day, it's one of the few bands from that era I still listen to.
Seeing spineshank, mudvayne, and disturbed on the same tour was killer back then definitely a core memory for me also got to see static-x and powerman 5000 on a tour a year or so before.
This is a kick ass interview!
I started listening to Nu Metal in my early teens which was the early 2000's & to think that there was a city where this was busy growing sounds unbelievable
Just like Seattle with grunge
Starting in L.A. in the beginning but moving to the midwest with slipknot and mudvayne. This music reached the whole country. Nothing like those shows back in the day. 98-02 era
What a time for metal. The time I chose to learn guitar was 99 (after listening for 3 years) it was a blessing. 🤘
Synthetic is an absolute monster tune
Mike Sharky Sarkisian! Love this dude, and Spineshank. They were great because of their big industrial sound, especially Strictly Diesel. It’s a shame he’s never wanted to do anything about Spineshank again, not ever for nostalgia reunion, now that everyone is doing it.
I first remember hearing Korn in either 96 or 97' on the 3hrs of power with Costa Zouliou, it was "No place to hide" and they sounded so different from all the other metal I was listening to at the time. I had a friend who had known of them at least a yr and a half before I knew them so he lent me the first album and that coupled with Life is Peachy that I had just bought was a lot to digest. But everyone at school loved it when I'd throw a mixtape with them on in art class.
Fast forward to 98' and another friend who I'd just introduced to Korn brings in his discman to school and showed me "it's on!" from Follow the Leader and I was like fuck yeah!!! After hearing/seeing Got the Life and Freak on a leash all of a sudden though we were a little bit disappointed as we felt that it was a bit too commercial. (Though my first friend felt that about the song A.D.I.D.A.S) So ya can't please everybody haha. Follow the Leader was a good record though, you could argue it was their black album.
As for Spineshank, I remember Dino from FF was promoting them and I got their first record which I thought was good, and it had Burton C. Bell guesting on there, but it wasn't until the height of callousness that I thought wow these guys are awesome. I always thought they were more industrial and thrashy in parts than "nu-metal", which never really had any meaning. Back then we just thought if you were "nu-metal" you normally had some type of hip-hop influence, but Stuck Mojo did and they just called them "rap-metal". So why was one "rap-metal" and another just "nu-metal". Generally it was more simplified in the riffs/beats like Limp Bizkit, down-tuned, but then again Slipknot was also called nu-metal but they were quite a bit different with their drumming. Maybe it was just a typo and that journalist was really trying to type "new metal" for all these new bands he was listening to... Like Hair metal in the 80's it just ended up becoming a derogatory term and I don't remember any bands in interviews embracing the term. I know one thing, a bunch of bands thought they'd jump on that gravy train (with the jumpsuits, turntables etc), and then jumped right back off of it circa-03'-04'.
Thats how I feel too... the tag "numetal" got thrown around and it stuck but if you really think about it...not many bands fit into that. LB for sure..very hip hop influence obviously. Primer 55... Hed Pe... even Crazy town. Soulfly on Primitive at times. POD too. I'd say Coal Chamber did too although they were more darker and industrial feeling. Korn set the tone for it. Drop D 7 string and had those "crawling riffs" with the weird abstract high end stuff. I think some of it was just groove metal really. Good shout out for stuck mojo not many people know them but yeah that was very in line with LB etc. I remember the rapmetal term being thrown around alot. Spineshank was just a heavy industrial based band. The vocals destroyed almost in line with a metalcore sound. That Height of callousness record STILL holds up when some bands sound dated to the time period. Deftones and Slipknot were never "nu metal" maybe some elements were in there but they were their own thing. It's weird "numetal" has a revival haha. Crazy seeing my teen years coming back haha
@@someguy2972 back when JJJ was the way to discover new music.
I think Fear Factory has a legit influence on the scene and actually embrace it in a way too
@@Brunetto46 yea bro for sure, they had the heavy down tuned guitars and brutal verses with clean choruses B4 a lotta these other bands, plus they took to the extreme
They were also connected to Ross Robinson
All the double bass in FF was not “cool” to the numetal kids at the time. It was seen as a different genre and scene all together. Now every hardcorepunk and metal band under the sun has double bass. Death metal was literally doing this stuff back before 1990 decades before it was normalized. But kids in bands wanted to be different and not seem “too metal” and have to learn to actually play their instruments lol. Hell most “metalcore” or whatever bands now, just sound like copies of what bands like Morbid Angel and Obituary were doing 35 years ago.
@@Brunetto46 Demanufacture is still my favorite album of all time…that album was the perfect mix of heavy and melodic
"You are the fabric that moves my life and The wool that keeps me together inside and You stitch me cause you you walk me through andI am yours and there nothing before you!"
I never looked into spineshank till now and strictly desil is filthy sick🤘
First concert I went to was Limp Bizkit & Sevendust in ‘97 at the Hampton Beach Casino
Sepultura’s Roots album had a huge hand in the nu metal sound. I don’t think they even meant for it to be that way but the downtuned guitar grooves on that album were awesome ❤
I was 10 years old in 99 with JNCO jeans long bangs and spiked up hair, 2nd ever concert/festival was ozzfest 2004, nostalgic
@@AaronCisneros-e6o went to the 2004 ozzfest too, probably the most stacked ozzfest, incredible day
Coal Chamber and SOAD do sound similar.
A lot of the bands at that time were down tuning and being influenced by genres like Hip Hop, Funk, Latin, Electronica, R&B, and Reggae. As well as Grunge, Hard Rock and Metal.
It was a unique time where bands just wanted to sound different and be something more than just a Hard Rock or Metal band.
Incorporating so many styles and influences.
Please, we need a Spineshank reunion. FIXT would probably sign you immediately.
Robert Garcia the Bass Player of Spineshank lives up the street from me in La Puente
I remember seeing korn in the parking lot of the mad platter record store in riverside ca.
To me I think the real Sepultura (Cavalera era) were innovated and evolved beyond all the genres. From death, thrash, and crazy tribal grooves man they killed it in the 90's.
I remember the fire marshal shutting down the Whisky 2 songs into (hed)pe’s set and everyone spilling out onto Sunset Blvd. ran into Stephan from deftones outside there too.
So many crazy late 90’s early 2000’s times on the strip.
L.A. Metal? That's interesting! Thank you for the video!
It was the band helmet! Helmet started numetal
Been saying that for years. I believe there's an interview with Trent Reznor and he's giving Page from Helmet shit for starting it LOL.
no Faith no more started nu metal
@@justinalley3399 ha mr bungle is a huge influence on korn
Ima still say helmet over faith no more cause they came out bout same time but helmet had the ping snare first
I miss those magazines from back in the day. I remember having my mom buy me Circus magazine and Metal Edge magazines. I would find out about newer bands or older bands from those 😂. Good times
There was also HIT PARADER Magazine.
That's how I found out about Korn. A tiny little picture of them in a magazine in 1995.
@@homercorrea7940 damn it!! How can i forget hit parader! That was THE magazine to get. Good times
@@civictech1 same here but around 2000 or so. Spineshank,korn,static x all those bands and it was all because of that magazine or MTV2 and a show called Uranium back in that day. I will never forget those times for me
Watched Korn few weeks ago in London, they were unbelievable!! Mental how well they have aged
Makeup covers the years.
I think the album Judgment Night started the ball rolling when it came to nudging Nu Metal into a groovier lane.
Spineshank just 3 albums the best new metal band ever in my ears and eyes I know deftones and korn set it off much respect 🫡 ☺️🙏🏻and coal cham of course locoooooooo☺️Holmes
KORN. That's where. No one sounded like them, and everyone tried to be like them.
@@robertkleinschmidt1029 don’t forget Stuck Mojo now
I am pretty sure Deftones wasn't lol they were very open about it during their interviews back in the day.
it was post/alt metal technically but people latched onto the nu metal moniker
I wish Ultraspank would get back together 🤘🏻🤘🏻
They may have not really sounded the same but one thing a lot of those bands back then had in common was song structure. A lot of repeated lyrical phrases and the fact they didn't really do the guitar solo thing.
I would think it started with Jane’s Addiction, early Peppers , Fishbone and Faith No More
La Metal Channel 11 I remember that. Bad ass show
I wish we had that caliber of music now.
We do, all those bands still play for the most part
Check Crimeny- Peat album. That record have a lot riffs, tempos, rhythms and low 7 string tunings. For me that's was a proto nu metal
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It started with the Judgement Night soundtrack
*Trespass soundtrack
Anthrax started it. Beestie Boys too.
@@jk-76 yeah, Bring the Noise is sick
The commonality was style and attitude, while musically it was very different.
Shootyz groove
Only good thing about NM is that it helped put grunge into the grave where it belonged.
Gotta show love to OZZFEST. If it wasn't for Ozzfest NU Metal wouldn't have been as big as it was. Ozzfest was NU METAL BAND CAMP!!!
Down tuning definitely was part of the overall tone, but groove was so important. The rhythm section had to have a good groove.
Is that Meegs? Who's the other guy?
Meegs was in coal chamber. Mike was in spineshank.
@@crowdkillproductions. I know about Meegs. Haven't seen Ss in forever, and wasn't as familiar with their members. Thanks.
Nu metal was just a term created by early influencers like grunge. It wasn't a style of music it was a particular scene who's vibe and culture went viral
The gaming community knows wtf Spineshank are. Same for Celldweller, Ill nino, Sevendust, Etc. Hugh presence. I played wow for 20 years and every pvp video was jamming these songs. Same for COD
It should just be called groove metal if you think about it. They have the beat where you feel the groove and makes people move/dance. Lamb of god is supposedly groove metal but I see it more heavy metal. New metal should be groove metal
Mike Patton or Helmet.
Thats true, in the eighties people were just walking around
“Witerally”
Sepultura, Korn and Slipknot are the pillars.
Faith No More and Mr Bungle too
Adidas must be seen if talking about Korn and nu metal
Surprised Korn never had an endorsement deal with Adidas
Anthrax showed us what rap and metal culd be. What do people think, it was invented in Korn's basement?
So many great bands that are nu metal or has been associated with genre like Korn Limp Bizkit Linkin Park systems of a Down Mudvayne Slipknot Mushroomhead Godsmack Flyleaf Incubus Coal Chamber spineShank flaw the list goes on and on
Spit it out Meegs!! Christ!
Clutch
Anthrax started it all. Acknowledge them. 🤟
I think alot of people stole that spineshank sound and got super famous with that particular flavor of quote on quote "newmetal" they never got the recognition. That kind of like semi melodic not super super heavy kinda shit that those other copy cat bands got millions of spins on rock radio with! I'm not now and wasn't a fan of them or that flavor of new metal I was always into the more heavier stuff but I can definitely give credit to them! They paved that road for all those other bands along with a few others of course let me make that clear before yall new metal purist chop my head off but them along side a few others pioneered maybe not the first ones to do it either but definitely the ones who has the most polished sound of the bunch.
Never been a huge fan of nu-metal, I don't even consider bands like Korn and Limp Bizkit metal to be honest, sure they use "heavier" guitar tones, but for me they sound like a more hard rock, pop thing.
To be honest I don't give a shit about popularity.to me it's all
About the music.if it makes the people move and groove.thats whats its all about. The groove. It's popular because it makes the people move!
They have more in common with groove and alternative metal than they do with bands like AC/DC or Guns N Roses. I can never understand how someone can hear Slipknot or Korn and call them hard rock without being ironic. They’re very obviously much heavier than any hard rock band.
That coal chamber dude is just fucking fried, he repeated the same shit over and over again. Yeah we helped each other out. How? We played shows together. Wow, just like evey other scene.
Uuuuh im 26 i feel like because of people that run countries want us domesticated and here we are.
it was a good scene till linkin park and evanescence came out and destroyed it
Phil Anselmo said one of the best explanations of bands back in the day compared to bands today…It’s like bands used to take their top 10-20 bands/Musicians influences and in doing so would find their own sound, where as today it sounds like bands take their top 2-3 and rip em all to hell
Came from RunDMC and Aerosmith, Red Hot Chili Peppers, BodyCount, Faith No More, Biohazard, etc...
Nu-Metal was never a sound to me. It was a scene. Similar to Grunge.
Nu metal came from old metal, melted down and reused, lmao
No mention of Aerosmith/Run DMC, Judgement Night Soundtrack, RATM....the proto 'numetal' and the ones that really got it off t o a start.......while Numetal/hoprock is total garbage, it did have it's moment in the limelight......despite it being completely obnoxious and off-putting.
From rich narcissists teen age kids who wanted to act tough and cry about how unfair life was for them
Coal Chamber and Spineshank were really bad bands
Who said?
BAD ASS! Listen to the the music and groove out! Feel the drum beat.
You’re out of your mind
@@13skp thank you.
Slipknot is not nü-metal. Argue with a statist. If you need to understand why, Finn McKenty breaks it down on his channel, the Punk Rock MBA.
Slipknot is pretty complex. There’s death metal in there, industrial, electronic etc