Since I was a teenager I've been listening to Coal Chamber and Spineshank. I'm 42 now and still listen to them with the exact same enthusiasm. Absolutely love these bands. Strictly Diesel hell yeah!
I'm 44. "The Height of Callousness" is definitly a mark in industrial metal. "Self-Destructive Pattern" is also very good, but "The Height of Callousness" is really a masterpiece.
Yes man me to ☺️👍🏻I seen them in corona California at a small venue and the only reason why I found out about it is cause I I ran into the bass players brother at the West Covina mall and I was wearing a spineshank shirt and he told me hey bro, they’re gonna be playing next week In corona.johnny and his girlfriend were arguing after the show the whole time 😂
Year 1997 in Corpus Christi, TX, I was 13…My first concert was Coal Chamber, Machine Head, and Pantera on the same bill in that order. I will never forget that show. I’m 40 now and still playing music as well as listening to it as an avid music lover. Thanks for the interview!
This was one of my favourite podcasts of all time, man. The rawness, the banter, the comradry, the passion of these guys for their art. Meegs fucking intensity grabbed me by the core. I was born the year him and Dez started CC🤯💚
I mean ya'll have three kickass musicians in one room and the stories share is a metalheads dream. Thanks for consistently bringing great content, especially for this genre. 🤘
Huge fan of both bands. Saw coal chamber a bunch of times but only got the chance to see spineshank once. Thanks for this interview, respect both guitarist a lot
@@Seanmoody1987 fuck yea I'm an Indiana boy and that's exactly where I first heard Spineshank was driving thru Indy and found a station that didn't suck corn cobs lol
Spineshank was underrated. Actually listening to VMS right now. I think most of their catalog still holds up. Of that era, how many bands can say that?
Great, GREAT pod. These two are a fantastic combo! Meegs is amazingly open and honest as is Mike. Garza is great in just letting them go but can also steer the ship when needed. Hopeful to see more like this.
He is, I love the dude’s playing. Shame he’s never ever wanted to reunite Spineshank. Even though they’d pull lots of people at these nostalgia fests that are out now.
Nu metal will always have a special place in my heart, i grew up on it, i breathed it. i still listen to it 30 years later even if it is now dead, but songs from 90s to 2010s will always shine forever for me ;) awesome podcast Garza!!!
Holy smokes. I've been a huge fan of Spineshank my whole life, even got their logo tattooed across my back and just found out their first show ever was on my 15th birthday. Thanks for this awesome episode!
Dude your Podcast is life! Really look forward to it! Been listening since it first came out and realized I hadn't subscribed yet! Doing that now! Truly thank you for this!
I was at the Roseland for Coal Chamber , Fear Factory, SOAD, Hed PE I remember Hed PE arguing and talking shit to the audience😂 SOAD only had the first album out… EPIC SHOW Good old days of my 20’s
Coal Chamber is one of my favorite bands of all time and Meegs is also one of my favorite guitarists. I also loved Spineshank and still listen to both bands!
My older brother worked at NRG through most of the early 00s. I've actually recorded there myself with our old band in his spare time when a studio was open. So, I've recorded both in studio A and B. He was there while Spineshank was doing "self destructive pattern".
Saw Coal Chamber break up on stage in Lubbock, TX back in the day. Crazy stuff. Great podcast. I agree with Mike, I think Coal Chamber now is really the best they have ever been.
Fun fact: I share a birthday with Dime and Meegs, so Happy Belated Birthday to these two studs. I was obsessed with CC back in the day. So much so, that I put a band together and played LOCO at my high school talent show. We got Third place, which to me was good enough. I love seeing these idols on your pod. It’s a great way to relive my youth (I just turned 40) by hearing all these amazing stories from bands I loved and still love.
Another great episode brother! Awesome seeing these 2 together and seemingly happy with life. Hope Coal Chamber comes to Portland, Oregon and get well soon Dez 🙏
Meegs on another level of saying and everyone never get it & mike on another level level of explaining like a good explainer person and chris is like Im here for it 🤘🏻👊🏻😁 lets go
Next time you got meegs on, pick his brain about the switchblade symphony remix he did. One of the most amazingly mental remixes I've ever heard, always wondered about his process for that track. Love this shit thanks for doing the podcasts man.
I have very little interest in nu metal but this has been a deep, interesting and wise conversation between veterans of their own scene. I really appreciated this.
Ive always dug coal chamber since i first heard Loco man...I think Devil driver's pretty cool too...I'm 54 & it freaks people out to see me blastin that stuff in my ride...🤘☢️🤘I gotta check out Gemini syndrome.
oh my god what a great vid this is heaven to me..talking about nu metal and I have pretty much every album these guys have plus static-x and korn and loads more...please try to interview 36crazyfist or dry kill logic next please...wanna see how those guys are...love for the channel
3:09 YES i feel the exact same way about notes that are "off" but still sound so badass. That's one of the reasons why i love Korn, what they do with their guitars and kind of similar things others in nu metal also do. Come on, playing like everyone else is boring! Coming up with something of your own, breaking rules and being unique is what keeps music evolving and what the heart of rock n roll is all about!
Spine shank has always been my top three bands ever. so under appreciated. Met Johnny Santos at a small club in Sacramento. He hit on my girlfriend at the time LO.L
I remember there being tales of Dez fighting with rednecks in bars with Lajon from Sevendust back in the day but I'm still fairly convinced Snot would've battered Coal Chamber pretty easily if that beef had gone off. Great interview. I always looked at nu-metal as much as a period in time as an exact sound or style. It was the next big shift after hair bands turned to grunge. Grunge turned to nu-metal and it was out with Cobain style Converse sneakers & cardigans & in with big pants, backwards caps, chunky skate sneakers & wallet chains. It made a huge cultural impact as it embraced skating, hip-hop & all the Jackass/CKY style stuff & the MTV boom that started with Alternative Nation, Headbangers Ball, Three In One etc with 90s rap & grunge. Deadsy, Orgy, Human Waste Project, KoRn, Deftones, Snot, Mind Heavy Mustard, Sevendust, Tura Satana/Manhole, Jack Off Jill, Spineshank, Drown, (hed)pe, Alien Ant Farm, 40 Below Summer, Professional Murder Music, Otep, Soulfly, Kittie, Cold, Adema, Staind, Limp Bizkit & loads more all get called nu-metal but sound very different. Bands like Will Haven came up in that scene & got established touring Europe predominantly with nu-metal bands even though they were from the hardcore scene. Same with Candiria & Clutch & a few more - they came over here with UK bands like Raging Speedhorn, Skindred, One Minute Silence, Pulkas, etc who all came out of the nu-metal era in a way too. I was pretty much 17-23 for the nu-metal years & always liken it culturally to the closest we'll ever get to the swinging 60s since. Baggy pants, eyebrow rings, tongue piercings, casual sex off Faceparty & fit goth chicks or skater chick Gwen Stefani lookalikes in all the rock clubs. Bam Margera, Steve-O, Johnny Knoxville & Dirty Sanchez. Dial-up net & drop D guitars. Fanzines turning into webzines. The PRP. iMusic chat rooms. AOL chat rooms. Early MSN. A golden age.
Man, after watching most of this I went and listened to Self Destructive Pattern. Spineshank has some bangers. Strictly Diesel is a great record. Obviously love Meegs. Oddity.
I can see why Mike dislikes the first record, but at the same time its got that exuberant free soul vibe to it, the second record was heavier, but also more processed and formulaic, while the first one was more melancholic and sincere so to say. Both excellent albums and some of the very best the genre has produced.
Never realized meegs was Hispanic, but I was in 6th grade around the coal chamber days and really only seen him in a poster on my wall that was cartoon drawn or the one picture on the first cd.. first time I have ever heard his voice..
I was 19 back in ‘99 and lived on these bands. Such a cool and fun period… I’m surprised Mike doesn’t like Strictly Diesel - their best release to this day imo.
45 mins in now such an amazing conversation about following passion and doing what it takes. Felt that so hard in my own journey pursuing my passion (see profile pic haha)
Great interview! That first CC album was produced by Jay and Amir from Orgy? Or maybe they were assistants I can't remember just remember seeing both those guys in the credits
Tell Meegs he's got to make that Houston tour date next march! Coal Chamber BROKE UP the day they were supposed to play the engine room all those years ago. You hear me MEEGS??
You need to get Tom maxwell from Nothingface/hellyeah... it sucks that Mike is burned out he wasn't the best guitar player.. he would get put to shame by all the modern guitar players though
Since I was a teenager I've been listening to Coal Chamber and Spineshank. I'm 42 now and still listen to them with the exact same enthusiasm. Absolutely love these bands. Strictly Diesel hell yeah!
Same!
Both bands were amazing and still are.
Same here
Yes 👍🏻
Strictly Diesel is fucking awesome
Nu-metal 4 life!!!!!!! Man we need more nu metal musicians on here! I love all the stories! So much nostalgia!! ❤
That Nu Metal wave was huge for me getting into Metal in the 1st place. I still listen to most of those bands to this day 🔥
I'm 44. "The Height of Callousness" is definitly a mark in industrial metal. "Self-Destructive Pattern" is also very good, but "The Height of Callousness" is really a masterpiece.
hehehehe same age here, 100% agree!
Strikly diesel also
I knew that album was good back then.
10000% AGREED. THE 1ST AND SECOND ALBUMS ARE A MASTERPIECES
Spineshank was my favorite band of the era.
Yes man me to ☺️👍🏻I seen them in corona California at a small venue and the only reason why I found out about it is cause I I ran into the bass players brother at the West Covina mall and I was wearing a spineshank shirt and he told me hey bro, they’re gonna be playing next week In corona.johnny and his girlfriend were arguing after the show the whole time 😂
Year 1997 in Corpus Christi, TX, I was 13…My first concert was Coal Chamber, Machine Head, and Pantera on the same bill in that order. I will never forget that show. I’m 40 now and still playing music as well as listening to it as an avid music lover. Thanks for the interview!
Thanks!
Coal chamber is still my favorite band, and meegs is my favorite guitar player in the world! Also happy birthday day Meegs! Much respect dude
This was one of my favourite podcasts of all time, man. The rawness, the banter, the comradry, the passion of these guys for their art.
Meegs fucking intensity grabbed me by the core. I was born the year him and Dez started CC🤯💚
This whole episode is worth the listen. One of my favorites for sure. Thanks for this guys.
I mean ya'll have three kickass musicians in one room and the stories share is a metalheads dream. Thanks for consistently bringing great content, especially for this genre. 🤘
Thank you Garza for this. You be dropping some gems.
This is hands down the best podcast that has happened to metal. This talk was so good dude.
I'm thankful this podcast exists! I get to hear all the stories i've always wanted to know about my favorite bands i grew up with!
Huge fan of both bands. Saw coal chamber a bunch of times but only got the chance to see spineshank once. Thanks for this interview, respect both guitarist a lot
Spineshank was so underrated
Totally. Height of callousness was was great.....speaking of which, I'll be playing that one today
Im glad Indiana State University had real good radio with under ground nu metal and I played both bands especially got me into spineshank.
@@senseicorey9979 that album was perfect from beginning to end
Strictly Diesel was sick Industrial Nu-Metal.
@@Seanmoody1987 fuck yea I'm an Indiana boy and that's exactly where I first heard Spineshank was driving thru Indy and found a station that didn't suck corn cobs lol
Such cool guys. I interviewed Meegs and Mike, and a host of other Nu Metal OG’s for my Nu Metal book. That whole era was such a great time in music ❤️
I know huh. I’m still trapped in the 90s. Music was best then. It sucks after
Man, this is so valuable and inspiring. This stuff needs to be documented. That era was an incredible time. Thanks a million for what you're doing 🤘
Coal Chamber and Spinshank Tour 2024 make it happen!
I wish, that would be sick. Sadly, Mikey has shown no interest in nostalgia reunion 😢 I love Spineshank.
Spineshank was underrated. Actually listening to VMS right now. I think most of their catalog still holds up. Of that era, how many bands can say that?
Great, GREAT pod. These two are a fantastic combo! Meegs is amazingly open and honest as is Mike. Garza is great in just letting them go but can also steer the ship when needed. Hopeful to see more like this.
My favorite 2 nu-metal bands. I miss Spineshank 😢
Mike is a G !!!
He is, I love the dude’s playing. Shame he’s never ever wanted to reunite Spineshank. Even though they’d pull lots of people at these nostalgia fests that are out now.
Mike stories are crazy!!!! I grew up loving Spineshank, one of my favorite nu metal bands till this day, cheers from Brazil! 🔥🔥🔥
It’s cool to finally hear something about Spineshank. They kinda just disappeared after their reunion. Would love to see them do some shows though.
Nu metal will always have a special place in my heart, i grew up on it, i breathed it. i still listen to it 30 years later even if it is now dead, but songs from 90s to 2010s will always shine forever for me ;) awesome podcast Garza!!!
Holy smokes. I've been a huge fan of Spineshank my whole life, even got their logo tattooed across my back and just found out their first show ever was on my 15th birthday.
Thanks for this awesome episode!
Dude your Podcast is life! Really look forward to it! Been listening since it first came out and realized I hadn't subscribed yet! Doing that now! Truly thank you for this!
This has to be one of the most fun interviews i have ever listened to! Just wonderful.
I was at the Roseland for Coal Chamber , Fear Factory, SOAD, Hed PE
I remember Hed PE arguing and talking shit to the audience😂
SOAD only had the first album out…
EPIC SHOW
Good old days of my 20’s
So awesome they talked about Snot and Lynn Strait.good shit.
Thank you chris for this luv those dudes and their music
I needed this pod in particular. 2 bands I grew up with. Thanks, chris!
Yess! Was waiting for this one. 🔥🔥
Coal Chamber is one of my favorite bands of all time and Meegs is also one of my favorite guitarists. I also loved Spineshank and still listen to both bands!
My older brother worked at NRG through most of the early 00s. I've actually recorded there myself with our old band in his spare time when a studio was open. So, I've recorded both in studio A and B. He was there while Spineshank was doing "self destructive pattern".
Love this ! 🖤
Amazing stories!
Saw Coal Chamber break up on stage in Lubbock, TX back in the day. Crazy stuff. Great podcast. I agree with Mike, I think Coal Chamber now is really the best they have ever been.
Fun fact: I share a birthday with Dime and Meegs, so Happy Belated Birthday to these two studs.
I was obsessed with CC back in the day. So much so, that I put a band together and played LOCO at my high school talent show. We got Third place, which to me was good enough. I love seeing these idols on your pod. It’s a great way to relive my youth (I just turned 40) by hearing all these amazing stories from bands I loved and still love.
Garza! Get SkinLab on here!
@@bibiinspades1953 oh hell yes
Absolutely. I was just listening to dissolve minutes ago.So dead on.
Would be nice to see my boy Glenny. He helped me get an Endorsement from Basson cabs back in the early 2000s
This was awesome. Please get Chris Houck or Tom Maxwell from Nothingface on! Or any of them really. Super sick band.
I needed to see this today.
Another great episode brother! Awesome seeing these 2 together and seemingly happy with life. Hope Coal Chamber comes to Portland, Oregon and get well soon Dez 🙏
Meegs on another level of saying and everyone never get it & mike on another level level of explaining like a good explainer person and chris is like Im here for it 🤘🏻👊🏻😁 lets go
Next time you got meegs on, pick his brain about the switchblade symphony remix he did. One of the most amazingly mental remixes I've ever heard, always wondered about his process for that track. Love this shit thanks for doing the podcasts man.
I still love both bands to this day. Still got there albums, 🤘🤘🤘
I have very little interest in nu metal but this has been a deep, interesting and wise conversation between veterans of their own scene. I really appreciated this.
All things Nu Metal! Loved the entirety of this one. 🤍🖤
We are the root was fantastic! I have a we are the riot t shirt!
Love this interview.. been a Coal Chamber kid since 97’ and a strictly diesel fan since it came out.
What a great combo deal interview!
Ive always dug coal chamber since i first heard Loco man...I think Devil driver's pretty cool too...I'm 54 & it freaks people out to see me blastin that stuff in my ride...🤘☢️🤘I gotta check out Gemini syndrome.
oh my god what a great vid this is heaven to me..talking about nu metal and I have pretty much every album these guys have plus static-x and korn and loads more...please try to interview 36crazyfist or dry kill logic next please...wanna see how those guys are...love for the channel
3:09 YES i feel the exact same way about notes that are "off" but still sound so badass. That's one of the reasons why i love Korn, what they do with their guitars and kind of similar things others in nu metal also do. Come on, playing like everyone else is boring! Coming up with something of your own, breaking rules and being unique is what keeps music evolving and what the heart of rock n roll is all about!
Spine shank has always been my top three bands ever. so under appreciated. Met Johnny Santos at a small club in Sacramento. He hit on my girlfriend at the time LO.L
Great pod!
This episode was amazing so many gems and life lessons lets gooo!!🐉🐲🥋
1:29:00 let's fucking scrap had me full send 😂
Great interview garza
I remember there being tales of Dez fighting with rednecks in bars with Lajon from Sevendust back in the day but I'm still fairly convinced Snot would've battered Coal Chamber pretty easily if that beef had gone off. Great interview. I always looked at nu-metal as much as a period in time as an exact sound or style. It was the next big shift after hair bands turned to grunge. Grunge turned to nu-metal and it was out with Cobain style Converse sneakers & cardigans & in with big pants, backwards caps, chunky skate sneakers & wallet chains. It made a huge cultural impact as it embraced skating, hip-hop & all the Jackass/CKY style stuff & the MTV boom that started with Alternative Nation, Headbangers Ball, Three In One etc with 90s rap & grunge. Deadsy, Orgy, Human Waste Project, KoRn, Deftones, Snot, Mind Heavy Mustard, Sevendust, Tura Satana/Manhole, Jack Off Jill, Spineshank, Drown, (hed)pe, Alien Ant Farm, 40 Below Summer, Professional Murder Music, Otep, Soulfly, Kittie, Cold, Adema, Staind, Limp Bizkit & loads more all get called nu-metal but sound very different. Bands like Will Haven came up in that scene & got established touring Europe predominantly with nu-metal bands even though they were from the hardcore scene. Same with Candiria & Clutch & a few more - they came over here with UK bands like Raging Speedhorn, Skindred, One Minute Silence, Pulkas, etc who all came out of the nu-metal era in a way too. I was pretty much 17-23 for the nu-metal years & always liken it culturally to the closest we'll ever get to the swinging 60s since. Baggy pants, eyebrow rings, tongue piercings, casual sex off Faceparty & fit goth chicks or skater chick Gwen Stefani lookalikes in all the rock clubs. Bam Margera, Steve-O, Johnny Knoxville & Dirty Sanchez. Dial-up net & drop D guitars. Fanzines turning into webzines. The PRP. iMusic chat rooms. AOL chat rooms. Early MSN. A golden age.
I need some of that Vodka. Great fuck!ng episode. 🔥🖤
it was a cool era of bands, Coal Chamber, Spineshank, Nothingface, Motograter to name a few
I saw coal chamber live in Hollywood cali. during the Dark days tour years ago
Man, after watching most of this I went and listened to Self Destructive Pattern. Spineshank has some bangers. Strictly Diesel is a great record. Obviously love Meegs. Oddity.
I love nu metal !
I feel like urban dance squad from Belgium in 1990 was starting the spirit of nu metal even earlier in Europe
And helmet in nyc also
1:18:26 Mike is talking about the band From Zero and the music video for "Check Ya".
get johnny on here man!
I can see why Mike dislikes the first record, but at the same time its got that exuberant free soul vibe to it, the second record was heavier, but also more processed and formulaic, while the first one was more melancholic and sincere so to say. Both excellent albums and some of the very best the genre has produced.
When is Meegs dropping dat 'Don't Be A Bitch' merch? 🤣
OG's 🫡
Never realized meegs was Hispanic, but I was in 6th grade around the coal chamber days and really only seen him in a poster on my wall that was cartoon drawn or the one picture on the first cd.. first time I have ever heard his voice..
My bad it's Armenian.. please accept my apology.
@@creepymcpeepers He is of Mexican and Chinese Descent. Family Life. His family moved from Mexico to Los Angeles when he was a teenager.
@@creepymcpeepers don't know where you got the armenian part tho xD
Mike is Armenian. Meegs is obviously Hispanic.
I was 19 back in ‘99 and lived on these bands. Such a cool and fun period… I’m surprised Mike doesn’t like Strictly Diesel - their best release to this day imo.
Agreed 100% The vibe of Strictly Diesel is unmatched!
Man Id like to catch Mike in Yerevan and take a pic.
45 mins in now such an amazing conversation about following passion and doing what it takes. Felt that so hard in my own journey pursuing my passion (see profile pic haha)
Marilyn Manson 1:23:41 has huge impact also on rock culture back then
2:07:03 👏👏👏 yes do it
Ahh the memories.if you can remember what happened.
1:18:35 meegs my man 🙏
Spineshank I swear was the loudest show I've ever been to in my life...literally, levels above every other band at the festival that day.
Great interview! That first CC album was produced by Jay and Amir from Orgy? Or maybe they were assistants I can't remember just remember seeing both those guys in the credits
God I miss Spineshank! never knew Meegs was in Gemini Syndrome
I went to high school with Mike
11:44 😢 poster man
Crazy how all these clubs they are mentioning were Glam Metal clubs 5 or 10 years prior
F*CK this is good!
Spineshank has thr coolest band namr ever. Would go well with teally hard heavy music
I wasn’t old enough to see Spineshank back in the day. I see where Mike is coming from. But just one festival appearance man! Come on! lol
2:53:37 love that sip Garza hahaha
Greatest take away "Don't be a bitch". It needs to go on a shirt.😆
2:22:46 that’s statement
@1:29 The vodka has already had an effect on Megs lmfao
Tell Meegs he's got to make that Houston tour date next march! Coal Chamber BROKE UP the day they were supposed to play the engine room all those years ago. You hear me MEEGS??
1:56:18 thats Rascon 😂😂😂
is the guy kinda reffering to the a7x album how they attacked it its like out of place on purpose? i love it
Whatup Mike!
What band is he talking about at 1:18:25?
@@catsandguitars1867 Flaw. They said it a bit after.
Are they talking about flaw at around the hour 15 min mark hahah because it sounds like he’s describing their one video hahah
I take advice from my teacher 'dont be a bitch!' 😂😂😂
You need to get Tom maxwell from Nothingface/hellyeah... it sucks that Mike is burned out he wasn't the best guitar player.. he would get put to shame by all the modern guitar players though